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Google Adds Satellite Imagery to Maps

Ant writes "BetaNews reports that Google quietly updated its maps service late Monday to include satellite imagery, a first in the industry... Much of Google Maps remains the same - just with detailed pictures from high-tech satellites instead of standard map graphics. Maps can be dragged to view adjacent areas, which means users do not have click and wait for graphics to reload. Zooming is also instantaneous with the help of a slider placed atop the map." The resolution doesn't seem very high, but the integration is very seamless.

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  1. Erm by unique+alias · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't an industry first, unless perhaps it's real-time.

    1. Re:Erm by MynockGuano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think they mean that it's the first time a true mapping/routefinding service (MapQuest, et al) has satellite imagery integrated.

    2. Re:Erm by NerdHead · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mapquest used to offer satellite photos.

    3. Re:Erm by jrumney · · Score: 3, Informative

      multimap.com has had satellite images linked into their maps of the UK for years now. Of course, it's UK only (maybe other European countries by now), so doesn't count on Slashdot, unlike Google's US only service.

    4. Re:Erm by ishepherd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not really - try mousing over this map (hope the link works).

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    5. Re:Erm by TangoCharlie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed you're right. Multimap has had aerial photos for a while... For example, this is where I live! The Aerial photos are actually provided by Getmapping.com. The aerial photos aren't available for all locations, but certianly most of the UK is covered.


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    6. Re:Erm by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Try getting directions, then change to satellite view. Your route is still overlayed perfectly over the roads you need to take, even though the images are slightly different than the vector map.

      This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. If it was possible to center the Google map based on lat/lon, just imagine how easy it would be to write a script that took input from your GPS and used it to scroll the map.

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    7. Re:Erm by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually Mapquest used to have aerial photos. I'm not sure why they got rid of it.

      Go ahead, split hairs about aerial vs. satellite... :)

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    8. Re:Erm by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Funny
      Mapquest used to have aerial photos. I'm not sure why they got rid of it.

      My first guess would be hysterical paranoia about "national security".

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    9. Re:Erm by raddan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that it's FREE and FAST! Wow!

    10. Re:Erm by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or until it shows Area 51, which I notice is conspicuously missing.

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    11. Re:Erm by Politburo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And it would be wrong, imo, since the photos were/are still available from many other sources.

      I would think the reason was cost. The photos cost money to licence, cost money to store, and cost money to transmit. Mapquest is primarily a mapping/direction service. Adding photos didn't add much to their product, but added to their cost. My guess: It simply wasn't worth it.

    12. Re:Erm by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      For example, this [multimap.com] is where I live!

      Whoa. Can you actualy see the shadow of my mouse cursor???

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    13. Re:Erm by starrsoft · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Actually Mapquest used to have aerial photos. I'm not sure why they got rid of it.

      Go ahead, split hairs about aerial vs. satellite... :)"

      Keyhole has aerial mixed (seamlessly) in with satellite. In urban areas the resolution improves dramatically because of the aerial photos. I live near DC and can see the bird house in our front lawn.

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    14. Re:Erm by lager_monste · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Swiss have it already http://map.search.ch/index.en.html Just blur out the military establishments

    15. Re:Erm by bleckywelcky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps that is why certain images from Google have been obscured? Several buildings on and near the White House property have been covered up. The entire grounds of the Capitol building are blurry (while the surrounding area is 10x or 100x sharper) ... Commence the conspiracy theories!

    16. Re:Erm by antdude · · Score: 4, Informative

      IIRC, MapQuest said it was about the cost when I e-mailed MapQuest about it a few years ago.

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    17. Re:Erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Area 51, in the most literal sense, is a block of land 6 miles north-to-south by 10 miles east-to-west, bordered by the Nellis Bombing and Gunnery Range on the northwest, north, east, and south, and by the Nevada Test Site on the southwest. The designation, "Area 51," appears on the peripheral portion of Nevada Test Site maps in the 1950s and 1960s. Area 51 is bounded, approximately, by longitude 115s45' and 115s56', and latitude and 36s12.5 and 37s17.5'. (Actual boundaries are in the township/range system.)

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    18. Re:Erm by CodeMonkey4Hire · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the "satellite" images that Google is using for city-level viewing are aerial [ortho-]photos. And even though they are watermarked with 2005 Google all over, they are actually several years old (at least in Wake Co., NC. - they appear to be 2002). Like someone else posted, they appear to be the same photos that have been available elsewhere, like terraserver. And yes, MapQuest used to have this. It pissed me off when they took it off. But now I have GMaps and they are so much sweeeter anyways.

      Oh, and in case it sounds like I could care less about this, thanks Google for adding satellite/aerial photos/topology(like the ocean depths) to your maps.

      P.S. - I zoomed in on Bermuda in the satellite but couldn't find it on the worresponding map. Does anyone know why? Is the map incomplete or out of alignment with the satellite/aerials?

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    19. Re:Erm by ajb2718 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yea I was dissapointed that I could not get an illegal overhead view of the bean in Millenium park

    20. Re:Erm by brontus3927 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The air force base I live near isn't blurred at all. You can even see the planes on the runways

    21. Re:Erm by dourk · · Score: 5, Funny
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    22. Re:Erm by anethema · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can center it on lat/long very easily. It uses the d.ddd format in the url.

      For example...this is my friend's house..

      http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=kelowna,bc&ll=49.9377 32,-119.461716&spn=0.007693,0.010579&t=k&hl=en

      Notice the &ll=49.937732,-119.461716 ? That is your lat/long.

      You control zoom wiht the &spn but you cant go down all the way by entering in the url which sucks. At least i havent figured out how.

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    23. Re:Erm by Kymermosst · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't normally reply to myself, but what the hell... I've thought more about it.

      I'll blow any conspiracy theory with a counterexample

      Of course, the White House and Capitol really are obscured, but it just proves that our elected representatives are paranoid. The DoD is obviously not scared of a few satellite photos. The big wigs there are probably thinking something along the lines of "you think that's cool? You should see our imagery!"

      The reality of the situation is, they probably don't want to reveal the locations of guards and air defense artillery emplacements.

      I'm not sure whether the the obscuration of the imagery is mandated by law, or if Google or the imagery provider is obscuring it just to avoid potential problems.

      Too bad the imagery isn't updated often... I found a cool way to tell what time it is in D.C.:

      Sundial :)

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  2. Sounds like good technology for lots of uses by DeadSea · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Googles map software is pretty nifty. It seems like something that wouldn't be to hard to whip up for any large image file.

    I can imagine taking some very high resolution artwork and displaying it using this technology. I can zoom in to the max resolution or your can scroll around forever.

    Anybody have any software that would take a large image file and apply a google-map-like interface to it? The software should be something as simple as:

    1. Resize the image to various resolutions
    2. Break the images into 200x200 pixel chunks at each resolution and save those chunks as individual image files
    3. Put a javascript interface on

    If you are smart about your image naming conventions you shouldn't even need a powerful webserver. The whole thing could be served up via static files from a webserver with enough disk space and a big enough pipe.

    I'd like to see this for things like:

    • Local maps such as for state parks
    • Scanned artwork such as paintings - Like the Gigapixel Tapestries covered the other day.
    • Circular panorama photos that could be scrolled only in one direction

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    1. Re:Sounds like good technology for lots of uses by mosschops · · Score: 4, Insightful
      • Resize the image to various resolutions
      • Break the images into 200x200 pixel chunks at each resolution and save those chunks as individual image files
      • Put a javascript interface on
      Rather than working with fixed resolution images, you're must better off using wavelet compression to store your images. As well as up to 50:1 compression ratios, you can easily stream out whatever resolution you need, without having to uncompress all the data first. ECW and related formats have been used by GIS systems for many years, long before Google joined the party. Still, it's nice to see so much information publically available.

      I'm certainly looking forward to when Google add the UK data, so I don't have to rely on the limited service from GetMapping :-)
    2. Re:Sounds like good technology for lots of uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You want nasa world wind. Satelite photos of the entire earth applied to a 3D model of it. In some areas you can make out individual buildings!

      SERIOUSLY cool.

    3. Re:Sounds like good technology for lots of uses by porlw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should be able to do this automatically with ImageMagick and a few lines of shell script.

    4. Re:Sounds like good technology for lots of uses by mosschops · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wavelets sound neat but I don't think browsers can read wavlet encoded images. I think jpeg uses something else.

      The browser doesn't need to understand the wavelet format directly, it's fed image sections after they've been re-encoded in a suitable format (JPEG usually). GetMapping deals with the image in 250x250-pixel blocks on the browser side. They're extracted from a master ECW and converted to JPG images on the server side, then streamed back to a set position in the browser. The source URL for each tile includes the tile position and resolution, and tiling the images returned gives the same overview effect you get at Google. They still use JavaScript to manage the user panning and zooming (I can't find the deep URL for the viewer on their site that does it as well as I remember).

      Even if you store every resolution you need, you are only increasing the storage requirements by a factor of 5 or so.

      If you've a fixed number of zoom steps (15 on Google?) and oodles of disk space (like Google!) it will definitely make more sense to do it like you suggest, returning pre-processed files with no extraction/re-encoding overhead.

    5. Re:Sounds like good technology for lots of uses by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't make sense to store the data in a complex format to reduce disk space requirements. It just doean't scale. You don't need "oodles" of disk space either; in fact holding every zoom level (assuming power-of-two zoom levels, which is what everybody uses including Google) only requires 1/3 more space than holding the highest zoom level by itself (not 2 or 5 times more space as was speculated earlier). OTOH producing the images on the fly and encoding them to JPEGs on every request would require a beefy server, or server farm if you're talking about decent amounts of traffic. And it would still crumble under unexpected heavy loads. Better to buy 1/3 more hard drives and not worry about on-the-fly image processing.

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    6. Re:Sounds like good technology for lots of uses by Storlek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me get this straight... You're breaking CSS stylesheets with rules that you wrote because some websites do annoying things with them. These rules screw up Google's site, and you expect Google to rewrite their site? It's not going to happen.

      I have a rule in my userContent.css that sets display: none for embedded iframes, because some websites use them in obnoxious ways, but if a legitimate site has one, I'm not going to tell them that they need to change everything just because my user stylesheet is interfering with their site. I'd try to hack around it, and if I couldn't do that, I could either take the rule out and stop browsing annoying websites, or deal with it like anyone else who doesn't have a user stylesheet. Telling other sites not to use something because you don't like it is like telling everyone you know to talk louder because you're going deaf and don't want a hearing aid.

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  3. Different dataset from Keyhole by willith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks like, at least in parts, the imagery is from an older dataset than what's on the Keyhole service. I live in a large neighborhood that's been under construction for 3 years across the various sections, and there are more houses in the Keyhole dataset than on the Google Maps satellite images.

    No idea how much older, but it can't be more than a year or so.

    1. Re:Different dataset from Keyhole by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Looks like, at least in parts, the imagery is from an older dataset than what's on the Keyhole service. I live in a large neighborhood that's been under construction for 3 years across the various sections, and there are more houses in the Keyhole dataset than on the Google Maps satellite images.

      We were already talking about this this morning on our local geocaching assocation forum. Two of us (St. Paul and Apple Valley, MN) show that the images are at least 4 years old or newer.

      My house was built in 2001 and it shows it there. Google doesn't know my address and gives something nearby but I still can see the house :)

    2. Re:Different dataset from Keyhole by jim_redwagon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd say we can date it before Summer 2003 as my roof shows up with the old shingle color (replaced roof that year).

      This reminds me of my 7th grade science teacher asking us to date an aerial map of our town. My house was there, but the pool wasn't, so I could estimate the age of the photo using the different years. But I digress.

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    3. Re:Different dataset from Keyhole by ecklesweb · · Score: 5, Informative

      The photos of Memphis, TN, were taken in the first half of 2003. You can tell by the state of completion of the FedEx Forum.

    4. Re:Different dataset from Keyhole by drudd · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you look at the Chicago pictures, it shows Soldier Field under construction. Demolition began after the 2001 season, and the image looks like it's just starting the new construction, which happened in early 2002). So that gives roughly a year time frame for these pictures.

      Meigs field is also still there, and the building I live in is just beginning construction (it was finished in late 2003 I believe).

      Doug

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    5. Re:Different dataset from Keyhole by SlayerofGods · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    6. Re:Different dataset from Keyhole by Gaewyn+L+Knight · · Score: 2

      Data for my area was taken in July or August of 2003 at about 9-10am on a Saturday morning. :}

      Take a look at the image and you can derive the time easily... The white blob in the very middle at the top is our water tower. Makes a great sundial to get the time. :}

      Then take the fact that this is a Seventh-day Adventist institution and I know by the fact that campus is empty except for the horde of cars at the church (the grey roofed structure just north of the road circle) that it is a Saturday.

      Now... the July/August? :} I know that from the image near my house and you can just barely makeout the 'Hi' mowed into the field north of the big white roof. :} I had done that for a friend that was taking flight training to see.

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  4. Comeon, 1 meter per pixel.... by purduephotog · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... thats the standard for commercial imagery and, with CitiPix flyovers (non-space) it's down around 1/3 of that.

    Frankly most of what's available is only good for mapping, and that isn't that good at best. Most of the images have been jpg'd to the point that an 8x8 block is destroying what little detail is available.

    For example, 8x8 blocked JPG at 10 meters per pixel is a boatload of image data lost.

    And yes, I work with Satellite imagery.

    1. Re:Comeon, 1 meter per pixel.... by GeckoX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can see my van parked in my driveway.
      Frankly, I don't really want more than that accessible to the masses.

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    2. Re:Comeon, 1 meter per pixel.... by bunratty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some parts of the map do have about 1 meter per pixel resolution. Go to Coralville, IA and zoom all the way in. You can see individual cars parked at shopping centers.

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    3. Re:Comeon, 1 meter per pixel.... by jmc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Good enough to see SR-71s parked on a tarmac:

      http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Kramer+Junction,CA&l l=34.952788,-117.884331&spn=0.006480,0.006738&t=k& hl=en

      Scroll east to see a huge compass rose painted in desert.

    4. Re:Comeon, 1 meter per pixel.... by prockcore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Same here:

      The Boneyard a few miles away from my house.

      Pan west... that's a crapload of planes.

  5. First in the industry??? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Informative

    Eh, no. Multimap had aerial imagery at least three years ago and they still do. Not satellite, but as far as the end-user is concerned, the effect is identical.

    1. Re:First in the industry??? by baker_tony · · Score: 5, Informative
      > but as far as the end-user is concerned, the effect is identical.

      No, you're wrong, the multimap is much more detailed and better looking than google's :-) (as well as being able to display the map at the same time as the image).

    2. Re:First in the industry??? by SomPost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's an online map that does satellite images for ages, including the client-based UI using Script (Google's second here, too). Note that the satellite images are overlaid with transparent graphics indicating street names, railway tracks etc.

    3. Re:First in the industry??? by markus_baertschi · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Swiss mapping site map.search.ch does have satellite images since a long time.

      Here a sample link map.search.ch/etoy of my village. Click more to zoom in !

      Markus

    4. Re:First in the industry??? by raehl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mapquest (I'm 90% sure, could have been something else I suppose) used to offer satelite imagry as well - much the same way google does now, just click on the Satelite button and get an image instead of a map. This was years ago.

      So, no, not new.

  6. Bigger world by wllf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Very cool. And the world is more then just the USA in satellite view. Searching for anything outside the states does not work yet. But hey, it's a beta. Can't wait for more coverage.

    1. Re:Bigger world by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny

      We'll map your country, but then we'll have to bomb you.

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  7. First? by oddrune · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do you mean that Google is the first in the industry to have satellite images on a map-site?
    Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten have had this on their map-service for almost a year now. At any time in the map-search you can switch between a vector-based map and the satellite images. Very neat :)

    1. Re:First? by Crystalus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google is definitely not the first. Mapquest also had satellite imagery that you can swap in a few years back, but they seemed to have removed it.

  8. hmmm.... by jeffy124 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    maybe they actually were taking aeriel satellite photos last Friday. Has google pulled another GMail-like fast one on us all?

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  9. What about MultiMap? Not really "new" by lxt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here in the UK the online provider MultiMap lets you do the same thing, just with aerial photography rather than sattelite imagery (it obivously takes a lot less time to photo the UK with a plane than the US, so planes are more feasible).

    How is this really "new" - in fact, MultiMap has an even cooler feature, which uses a Java applet to overlay the photos with the map, so the area your mouse is over gets a photo superimposed over it.

    The only advantage Google has that I can see is a higher free resolution - if you want high res photos on Multimap, you have to pay.

  10. wow... by jromz03 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I see that the US is the only place on Earth...

    1. Re:wow... by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you had actually looked at the map in satellite view, you know, like this whole story is about, you'd see that the rest of the world is actually included now (only in satellite view). Your joke might have been funny if it weren't for the fact that it was made about a hundred times when the map service first came out and it was actually true that Google's map only showed the US.

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  11. Re:Example by wllf · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the upper right corner click 'satellite'. Took me a while too. ;)

  12. Re:Example by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look for the "Map - Satellite" in the top right corner and click Satellite.

  13. My 3 y/o neighborhood does not even have streets. by chrispix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looking at the map, I went to see if my neighborhood was there. There are not even streets on the images. Just a big brown field. The streets were put in about 4 years ago!

  14. Not an industry first by many years... by sonofagunn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... Microsoft's terraserver has been doing this for many years. I'm guessing 5 or 6 years but I could be off by a couple.

  15. Great fun with satellite imaginery by jokkebk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wow, even though I'm not american, the seamless scrolling makes the application superb way to waste time - zoom into a city, and just start scrolling along a road, and you never know where you are going to get!

    Rather nice if you want to plan a trip, too, as you get an idea how things look like along the way! And if the resolution gets better in distant future, who will need to do the actual trip anyway?

    If a service like this really becomes popular, it has vast potential - just zoom to where you are, and you can see all web sites in the area, plus visual hints on how to get there and how does the thing look like. Now if you only could link images taken from those places directly to maps..

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  16. Not a first. by nberardi · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't a first in the industry, Microsoft did this over 5 years ago, with their Terraserver project. http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ It might have not had the same goals as Google Maps, but it definitly is the same concept.

  17. Re:But when will the rest of the world be included by generic-man · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dear rest of world,

    Hi this is Google

    Our software is in beta

    Please do not criticize it until we say you can

    Sincerely,
    Google

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  18. varying seasons by coult · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is somewhat disconcerting to be scrolling around the area where I grew up, and see one half of a lake in full summer splendor, with boats frolicing and surrounded by green hills...and the other half of the lake is frozen solid.

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    1. Re:varying seasons by Mignon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nice one. I thought it was cool that the shadows of the towers of the George Washington Bridge (New York City) were pointing in different directions. (Sorry I couldn't get a URL, so you'll have to search for it yourself. Try "178th and Broadway New York City" then scroll left a little.)

  19. Re:y0z by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 4, Funny

    You are AMAZING. I want your children.

  20. Not blocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought most of the satellite image services now put a giant white block over certain places in the US. Maybe google will add that later. Not that anyone in the world DOESN'T know what the white house and pentagon look like, but here you go anyway...

    White house:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1600+Pennsylvania+Av enue,washington,+dc&t=k

    Pentagon:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2+South+Rotary+Road, Arlington,+VA&t=k

    1. Re:Not blocking? by De · · Score: 3, Informative

      The US Congress is blurred out. Scroll a bit from the White House over to it. Interesting what they choose to blur and not to blur ...

    2. Re:Not blocking? by biglig2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They've done something to the roofs of the neighbouring buildings (to the white house) as well...

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  21. Wow! by krf · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can see my house from here! Oh wait - I can see everyone's house from here.

  22. Re:I do not see any change by Sinus0idal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    hmmm, I'm sure the whitehouse roof isn't quite that plain in real life :-)

  23. And still no scale. by Peldor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Open letter to the head heads at Google:

    Great googly-moogly. Stop with cheap low-res sat photos and try adding a scale to your maps. You know, one of the basic features of a map? The little hashed bar that gives me some idea how far it is from one point on the map to another. I realize it is not innovative or amazingly cool, but it kinda renders your maps useless otherwise.

  24. Mapquest had this ages ago by cryogenix · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mapquest had arial photos for a long time that zoomed in farther than what google offers. I haven't seen them on their site in a while however.

  25. different perspectives? by Thatto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I shouldnt be surprised by this, but the images are stitched from different sat. passes. My home town of Dallas is compiled from at least two perspectives. Quite disorienting when two skyscrapers lean across each other. and shawdows point at different angles.

  26. just as i always suspected by antiaktiv · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google is watching.

  27. link by coult · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    1. Re:link by BillBrasky · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good ol' lake Minnetonka. Be sure to cleanse yourself in its waters.

  28. Donate to Google? by hass · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is there a "donate" button anywhere? I feel I should be paying them for all their services. Apparently they are doing alright without donations.

  29. I think this is more disturbing by bluenirve · · Score: 3, Funny
  30. Sand in Central Park by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Informative
    "Tres cool. So what are those patches of sand in Central Park anyway?"

    Without looking, I am guessing that if the patches are vaguely fan-shaped, they are baseball/softball/etc diamonds. I've seen these on many other air photos.

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  31. Re:Come ON, Google! by hachete · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To you and all the others who made this suggestion (and who were modded as "insightful" rather than "redundant") the maps thing is still only a BETA after all. One day soon, the mighty google will give you all your christmas presents, with added paranoia.

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  32. Re:Example by follower-fillet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://mygmaps.com/ enables you to create, save and host custom data files and display them with Google Maps. It includes a standalone viewer so you can show your custom map on your site.

    --Phil.

  33. TerraServer by methano · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is way cool. You can get better (higher resolution) maps of some regions with TerraServer (http://terraserver-usa.com) but the navigation is nowhere near as much fun as with Google maps.

  34. Not just the U.S. anymore by nosse_elendili · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although the map portion of maps.google is still only for the U.S., the satelite mode has the whole globe, but only at a large scale.

    Here is England, for instance

    Humorously, if you scroll outside of the U.S. in map mode, you just get ocean and then back to the U.S. again. It's as if Americans had just obliterated all the other countries...

  35. Re:I do not see any change by ajm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nor are the buildings next door a flat green color on top.

  36. More likely... by raehl · · Score: 2, Funny

    They had to pay whoever provided that imagry for using it, and when the internet advertising bubble burst, that no longer made cents.

    Cents, get it? I kill me.

    1. Re:More likely... by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except that Aerial Ortho dataset was produced by the USGS and is public domain. Check out World Wind 1.3 for a smooth-scrolling, translatable, 3d globe that dynamically downlads any dataset you request and grabs higher res versions as you zoom in.

    2. Re:More likely... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who needs a sensible, rational reason for doing things when we create a big flamewar about security conspiracy theory that ranges into the 2000 election & war in iraq?

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  37. Hide and Seek by nicklott · · Score: 2, Funny

    $10 for the first person to find Area 51!

  38. photo sources by wfmcwalter · · Score: 2, Informative

    The images appear to come from two sources. Non-urban US areas are NASA Landsat-7 images (which, as works of the US Federal government) as public domain. Some urban areas (I looked at Mountain View, CA) are USGS aerial photography montages. Again, as works of the US Federal government, these are public domain too (and available at higher resolutions in WorldWind). Google can only claim copyright over something when they've made a non-trivial contribution toward it (republishing isn't enough). The landsat images have been well montaged and registered, I think by Keyhole (that's difficult to do so well, requiring technique and skill, so that's probably copyrightable). As far as I know, the USGS photos are montaged, registered and adjusted by the USGS, so quite what Google think they've contributed to that is unclear.

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  39. Images are out-dated. by cniemira · · Score: 2, Informative
    At least in my area.

    Looking around my home, I don't see any signs of a large bridge construction project which began last fall. If the images were taken less than, oh, five months ago, certain buildings would be gone, land would be cleared, etc...

    Not only are they not the first to do this, the images aren't even very current.

  40. Re:Area 51? by BillBrasky · · Score: 4, Interesting
  41. High-interest targets obscurred? by Chappy01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check this out, the US Capital Building congressional offices in Washington are totally obscured...
    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=constitution+ave+and +1st+street,washington,+dc&ll=38.891006,-77.008873 &spn=0.008444,0.010664&t=k&hl=en

    It's the same with KeyHole as well (screenshot):
    http://www.allbootdisks.com/images/keyhole.jpg

    Is keyhole doing this to all 'sensitive' targets?

  42. Don't line up by mrolig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looks like they still have work to do lining up the images. Check out the Boise river and Bronco stadium (yes, blue Astroturf).

    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1010+Broadway+ave,bo ise,+id&t=k&hl=en/

  43. Re:I do not see any change by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Sinus0idal: hmmm, I'm sure the whitehouse roof isn't quite that plain in real life :-)
    ajm: Nor are the buildings next door a flat green color on top.

    You're both quite correct. See the SecurityFocus article "Secret Service airbrushes aerial photos". Note that the link to the old vs new images has changed since the article was written - they're now here. You might notice a remarkable similarity between a couple of the retouched pictures and Google's White House imagery.

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  44. Actually I can see it! by orzetto · · Score: 2, Funny

    BS! You can't see the map (grayed out), but you can turn on the satellite - and it's visible! I for one see clearly an airfield (looks abandoned, yet there is a plane in the middle of the airstrip, and some vehicles that look like trucks).
    I really wonder wh###CARRIER LOST

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  45. Maps are blocking Industrial Zones by purduephotog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    See here:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.198586,-77.63025 3&spn=0.032444,0.042658&t=k&hl=en

    Notice the big fuzzy section. I used to work there and can tell you that that is Kodak Park (well, whats left of it as Kodak Management lays off the workforce, moves the operations to China, then demolishes the buildings- more layoffs next week).

    The entire region is blurred out and unusable, so that you can't see into it.

    What I'd like to know is whether or not this is common for other areas (anyone know lat/long of an oil refinery?) and other areas of key civil importance.

    Otherwise maybe Kodak doesn't want them spying ;)

  46. First in Industry? by bokmann · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mapquest had this about 3 years ago... I had zoomed into my office and could actually identify my car in the parking lot. I have a great image of Washington D.C. from mapquest too, with the Washington Monument casting a shadow like a big sundial.

  47. Imagery sources by tjp · · Score: 3, Informative

    MapQuest was supplied with imagery by GlobeXplorer. Both Keyhole (hence Google) and GlobeXplorer use a mix of public and private sources, so some of what you see on one service is also on the other. For example, many states have started taking their own aerial photos, which are made available online. I live in NY, and Google shows me the same image of my house that I can get more easily from NYSGIS (at 1 foot resolution, too, whereas Google only goes down to 1 meter). GlobeXplorer, however, has 6 inch resolution imagery for my area (which was in turn acquired from AirPhotoUSA, I believe), so they show that instead. In general, different imagery providers will have different groups of datasets, some of which overlap, so some areas will have the same imagery and some will not.

  48. Re:Goolge Watermarks by DaoudaW · · Score: 5, Informative

    these look like they are straight off of TerraServer

    The Google images are not straight off of TerraServer. Actually to even say that perpetuates a misnomer. TerraServer is not a source of imagery. It simply serves public-domain USGS images which were created using our tax dollars. I'm not complaining, they are serving the public interest, but I'd be upset if they started putting watermarks on them or claiming copyright.

    The Google images come from DigitalGlobe's QuickBird satellite. This is a private, for-profit corporation which raised enough money to put up their own satellite and start taking pictures which they are now selling on the open-market. I'm sure that their contract with Google necessitates the watermarks. Fair enough.

  49. Dates to mid-2002 at my house by Reziac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm looking at my house right now. A tree that was cut down early in 2003 is still there. A circular path started in summer 2002 (made by exercising a horse, so it's very visible) is also there. And by the amount of greenery here in the desert, and that our veggie garden had already died off, it is probably early in the dry season. So at least in my neighbourhood, the image appears to date from about July of 2002.

    The resolution is good enough that I can see the single stripe down the middle of a nearby two-lane highway. I can also see two cars and an 18-wheeler. The smallest visible object is a 4x8 sheet of plywood atop the shelter in my corral. I can also see my kennel concrete, which at that point is 15 feet wide, represented by 5 pixels on the saved image (you can pillage them via Moz's Page Info function). So there's the max resolution -- one pixel = about 3 feet (plus or minus some blurring).

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  50. Region of Waterloo -- 10cm Resolution by dmatos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check this site:

    http://locator.region.waterloo.on.ca/

    (warning - I have only seen it work in IE).

    The region of Waterloo (ON, CAN) has aerial photography at 10cm resolution (~4in) in B&W for 2000 and 2003. I've been looking for a house, and this is a really great site for checking out the state of yards without visiting them. You can see trees, fences, the size of driveways, if the house is going to be in the shadow of an apartment building . . .

    I honestly have no issue with 10cm resolution being available to the general public. No tin foil on my head.

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  51. Bermuda's not part of the US by blorg · · Score: 2, Informative

    Non-US territory is not included in Google maps AFAIK, although they seem to have wider satellite coverage, in particular of Latin (North) America - I think they are getting the data from different sources. You can zoom in to varying degrees (not much in Europe, but pretty far in Mexico, Cuba, etc and even more in Bermuda.)

    Canada is the exception, Google now considering it basically part of the US and so providing maps ;-)

    1. Re:Bermuda's not part of the US by CodeMonkey4Hire · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, didn't realize that Google's scope was limited to the US. I guess I haven't ventured outside the US on Google Maps until I started exploring the satellite stuff. I guess I figured they'd have the white-outs like they do for Mexico, Cuba,etc.

      I guess they figured it was pretty easy to include both of Canada's roads;)

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  52. Wait a minute... by ryanvm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cool - I can see my house. Wait a minute... If I'm at work, who is that son of a bitch parked in my driveway!?!?!

  53. Re:Come ON, Google! by BTWR · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I don't mean to be rude (honestly), but your comments sound exactly like Comic Book Guy in that Simpsons episode. He tells Bart how upset he is at an Itchy & Scratchy episode, how they have so let him down, and Bart asks "why are you complaining? They offer you something completely for free! who are YOU to complain?"



    Comic Book Guy's answer: "As a viewer, I feel they owe me."



    if you don't like the free service google offers, you said it yourself - mapquest already does it apparently. AND... it's 3 fewer letters to type in than maps.google.com. So there's your answer.

  54. MPEG proving grounds by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2
    Forget the sand in central park. Can anyone tell me what's going on here??"[Roy Utah air photo link at Google]

    I think you have found the top-secret Moving Pictures Experts Group proving grounds. This is where they test out the next versions of JPG and MPG compression, in an out-of-the-way part of the country where they think no-one will ever see it. They need some work on this one; methinks: looks pretty lossy. It looks like they messed up that lake pretty bad, but we all know how lax Utah's water quality regulations are.

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  55. Re:But when will the rest of the world be included by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't the point of beta to test and criticize it?

  56. Finally found my luggage by thechuckbenz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, the pictures of Logan must be after July 2003, because that's when my suitcase was lost there, and I just now spotted it - some jackass handler apparently tossed it up on the roof of a jetway.

  57. Zoom Annoyance by SeanDuggan · · Score: 2, Informative

    When typing in an address, there is a default zoom level (3, to give it an arbitrary marker). Trying a few locations in my area, that default level has no satellite data. It would be nice of them to decrease the zoom unti an actual viewable area is displayed. For example, this random location in Newark, OH automatically comes up as "does not have imagery for this zoom level." If they checked to see if there were imagery at that level and eased back on the zoom until there was imagery, it would be an improvement. (Well, technically speaking... Newark is not the prettiest place.)

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  58. Because their X and Y scales are different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and they'd rather sweep this under the rug.

  59. CNN covers the obscured images by zmarties · · Score: 3, Informative
    The obscuring is nothing new - it was widely discussed back in Dec 2003.

    See CNN for good coverage of the issue.

  60. airplane in flight by floatt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So if you can see the airplane and its shadow, doesn't that tell you where the satellite is/was? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=dfw+airport&ll=32.91 8773,-97.052397&spn=0.004442,0.006394&t=k&hl=en

  61. High Security Areas Fuzzed Out by dc_dog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a DC resident I noticed that the White House and Capital are presented without detail and fuzzed out. Check it out with zip code 20513. What's missing in your town?

  62. Re:Goolge Watermarks by marvold · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is that why the aerial photographs of the area where I live are identical between TerraServer and Google, down to the cars on the street?

    Look at Capitol Hill in Seattle (try 100 Broadway E, Seattle, WA). Then claim those photos are off different satellites. They might not have gotten them straight from TerraServer, but they didn't get them from DigitalGlobe either.

  63. Transparency by Zombie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Go to mappy.com.
    Search for a big city. I've only tried Brussels.
    There's a Transparency slider at the top left.
    Mappy has had satellite maps with transparency for at least a few months. It has been truly interactive for ages. I have no idea why nobody's mentioned this, and why anybody thinks Google's US-only, slow, hardly interactive maps are any good at all.

  64. Parts of Mexico are already included by gg3po · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I lived for a few years in Tijuana, Mexico, and it looks like TJ and most border towns are completely mapped at the highest resolutions, as well. I could spot the house where I stayed and everything. You have to search for San Ysidro, CA and then drag southward, though. Here's a link to the border crossing gate. The line dividing the screen is the "iron curtain" -- The wall between the countries built by the US.

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  65. Re:Goolge Watermarks by DaoudaW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yup, you're right, that is USGS Urban images. Google definitely shouldn't be watermarking them. At the very least they need to credit USGS. Does anybody know what the USGS usage policy is?