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ICANN Officially Approves .jobs and .travel TLD's

EyeMyke writes "As reported on News.com, ICANN has approved the .jobs and .travel domains, and is pending decision on .asia, .mail, .tel, and .xxx. One has to ask 'Will these new domains actually prove useful, or is ICANN just avoiding the real issues confronting them in regards to regulating domain registration?'" We've covered both of these domains before, but it would seem they are even more-approved now, or at least the process is important enough to warrant an official announcement from ICANN.

263 comments

  1. I can't believe they added .jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why does steve.jobs need a whole TLD? That man sure has an ego!

    1. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Because we've decided to ban him from the rest of the internet.

    2. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry - .nojobs is coming out shortly, they are just looking for somewhere to outsource it to.

    3. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think General Motors has interest...
      (or at least their employees)

    4. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by jspoon · · Score: 1

      Yeah and even worse, now they'll have to give Michael Dell his own as well or he'll throw a tantrum. Nice one, ICANN.

    5. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by over_exposed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quick! Someone register www.steve.jobs and see how fast you get sued!

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    6. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by iamacat · · Score: 1

      No, this is a TLD you visit after your imagination is fired up with .xxx

    7. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by Hirokache · · Score: 1
    8. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by Equinox11 · · Score: 1

      What idiot would actually get a .travel domain? That's what I want.. A domain name that is as long and confusing to people as possible.

      It's some lame attempt to try and make companies have to buy as many domains as possible.. ibm.com ibm.cw ibm.travel ibm.jobs

    9. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by Storlek · · Score: 1
      I can see .travel being tremendously popular:
      "Go to 'carribbean dot travel'..."
      "Dot com?"
      "No, just dot travel."
      "Oh, okay, so it's dot travel dot com?"

      Hmm. Maybe not.

      This seems every bit as useful as .museum, and look how popular those are. Except, of course, practically every .museum is also registered as a .com or .net or something else, because no one knows what .museum is.
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    10. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by DA-MAN · · Score: 1

      What about all the leet vhosts that will appear on irc, such as five.dollas.for.blow.jobs or the unforgettable shit.breath.comes.from.rim.jobs.

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    11. Re:I can't believe they added .jobs by Merl3 · · Score: 1

      All BSD/X geeks should really chear that one. Now they've got their own dot.mac without being too in your face about it. . . The shareholders gotta luvvit.

  2. Are these really useful? by BluhDeBluh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anybody really use their last lot of domains, such as .info and .coop? I very, very rarely see either getting any use, to be honest.

    1. Re:Are these really useful? by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 3, Informative

      The address of the New York Subway system (also called the MTA) is www.mta.info.

      John.

    2. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah really. like .tv for example. it kinda was a big deal when it came out but now i never see a link to *.tv

    3. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not be watching Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV right now, because they're www.ufc.tv.

    4. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know, but I think we ought to add some extra TLDs to make things clear: .spware .scam .ripoff

      etc.

      And for ICANN, .kerching

    5. Re:Are these really useful? by aslate · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are 5 UK free-to-air terrestrial channels. Channel 5 has: http://www.five.tv

    6. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think trust is a big issue with new TLDs.
      E.G. I wouldn't give my credit card number away to a *.biz site. Whereas a *.org I would trust more.

      It's kind of irrational, but I think humans don't trust new TLDs.

    7. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV stands for some island, somewhere, right? I don't think it's just a stupid publicity stunt domain like these .jobs .museum and all that rubbish.

    8. Re:Are these really useful? by fatted · · Score: 1

      Check out http://www.hollandportal.info/. I think I've proved my point.

    9. Re:Are these really useful? by Morlark · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, .tv stands for Tuvalu. They were quite lucky that their ccTLD happened to be so useful. Many other small islands and developing nations tried to jump on the same bandwagon, and failed horribly.

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    10. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      .info is reserved for websites that have actual, usable information. That's why you see so few of them around the net.

    11. Re:Are these really useful? by ramblin+billy · · Score: 1


      Hey if it screws any of those guys who buy up domain names to sell with no intention of ever using them I say huzzah. Maybe the really good names should be assigned like chairs in a band.

      "Todays feature bouts are Western Digital challenging Maxtor for harddrive.com...IBM vs Tinkerbell for pixiedust.com...and Rush Limbaugh vs Jerry Falwell for bigfatliar.org...todays special grudge match pits Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs for parc.rip"

      May the best site win.

      billy - wondering if blo.job is still available

    12. Re:Are these really useful? by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Montreal's transit system is www.stm.info. It's very useful and informative.

      The English writing at the above link (which is a history of the Metro system - i.e., subway) is excellent.

    13. Re:Are these really useful? by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They would have been useful if they weren't 12 years to late. The problem is that during the boom .com got all of the attention and all of the advertising money. If they had had a few hundred TLD's from the beginning, (.doctor, .car, .tourists, .hobby, .etc...) then people would be used to the idea. As it is, I bet a lot of people try to type www.blue.aero.com because .com is so drummed into their heads.

    14. Re:Are these really useful? by galdur · · Score: 1

      As an encore, these domains come with a TWO DOLLAR internet tax, courtesy of ICANN:

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/31/icann_2buc k_fee/

    15. Re:Are these really useful? by aklix · · Score: 1

      Alot of places gave .info domains away for free as far as I recall... so they are being used.

    16. Re:Are these really useful? by aklix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I beleive .ws was one, am I correct? .tk was pretty successful at giving out free ones, but I don't think many people actually paid for them.

    17. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use .name for my personal email address and website. Makes it perfectly clear that it is merely a vanity site.

    18. Re:Are these really useful? by vettemph · · Score: 1

      >>>As it is, I bet a lot of people try to type www.blue.aero.com because .com is so drummed into their heads.

      But why wouldn't you just put a jobs, info and etc link on the main menu of your .com website?
      I don't think this is doing us any good. The only person who benifits is the guy selling the newly created domains. Now, when I want to register a domain I have to register 20 of them at 20x the price just to keep the a-holes out of my domain.
      www.vettemph.* (doesn't actually exsist)

      There should only be a need for registering 1 TLD for the whole set. For instance, if i did register www.vettemph.com, I should only have to register as vettmph.TLD and automatically get all the com info travel doctor. I should have to use each TLD apropriately but I shouldn't have to spend extra just to block the squatters. I should automatically have obtained *.*.vettemph.*.*

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    19. Re:Are these really useful? by letxa2000 · · Score: 1
      Does anybody really use their last lot of domains, such as .info and .coop? I very, very rarely see either getting any use, to be honest.

      Never seen .coop myself, but .biz and .info are in my spam filters as 100% blacklists. I've never actually run into one that wasn't spam related (though I see some examples in this thread, none have ever come close to applying to me).

    20. Re:Are these really useful? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      There should only be a need for registering 1 TLD for the whole set. For instance, if i did register www.vettemph.com, I should only have to register as vettmph.TLD and automatically get all the com info travel doctor. I should have to use each TLD apropriately but I shouldn't have to spend extra just to block the squatters. I should automatically have obtained *.*.vettemph.*.*

      This is exactly backwards. If you own vettemph.com, you already own www.vettemph.com, info.vettemph.com, doctor.vettemph.com, xxx.vettemph.com; anything.vettemph.com. It's because of all these marketing idiots who create new secondary domains instead of tertiary domains (like company.com, company-sales.com, company-service.com, instead of sales.company.com, etc., which they can do for free); and those bullshit domain resellers who have tried to make the TLD for the island of Tuvalu into an ersatz "television" (.tv) domain, or Moldova into a doctors' (.md) domain, and so on that people seem to have forgotten, if they ever knew, how the naming system is supposed to work. The assholes who run it are only concerned at creating new TLDs so all the companies have to buy the corresponding ones in the "new" domain to prevent squatters setting up a porn site on it. All these new TLDs will either be spam, SEO crap, or when owned by a legit company, redirect to a .com or a CCTLD.

    21. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for the .ms TLD. It's like .com, but for companies whose only real hope is to be bought out by Microsoft.

    22. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you REALLY want to make things clear, learn the proper use of punctuation.

      http://angryflower.com/aposter.html

      "Bob's quick guide to the apostrophe, you idiots."

    23. Re:Are these really useful? by floodo1 · · Score: 0

      furthermore its only logical to think that you should be able to register as vettmph.TLD IF vettmph is unique. what about dookie.com? dookie crew wants it and so do people wanting to explain all the possiblities of real life physical dookie....who gets ALL the tld's then???????

      so stop being greedy assface and take vettmph.net and use secondary domains as parent stated (ie assface.vettmph.net & selfish.vettmph.net) and let the guy that wants to talk about how selfish you are have vettmph.info

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    24. Re:Are these really useful? by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      I've noticed porn sites are utilizing the .biz TLD. These new ones are just too specialized though, except for .xxx which I think would be very useful in helping people censor sites that they don't want to see.

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    25. Re:Are these really useful? by vettemph · · Score: 1

      Why not just let the guy who wants to talk shit while lacking a backbone register imhavingmyperiod.com. He could then use vettemph in his meta-tag so that search engines could find his bitchy little ass.

      ibm.info might be owned by IBM
      While
      microsoft.info might be owned by some little bitchy guy.

      Users who indiscriminately type "ibm" or "microsoft" before ".info" would not get consistent results. They would not find out until they get to the site whether it is owned by who they thought it would be owned by or not. Its useless. If i want rants about IBM i would google "rants IBM", I wouldn't "check" ibm.info to see whats is there and who owns it. URLs have little to do with content.

      PS- take the rubber off your head and stop acting like a dick. The internet has grown up, you can too.

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    26. Re:Are these really useful? by red+tiger · · Score: 1
      Well, do some Google searches:
  3. Squatting? by CkB_Cowboy · · Score: 1, Funny

    Hmmn.. how much do I stand to make if I register steve.jobs?

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    1. Re:Squatting? by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 1

      After Steve sues you, you'd be making minimum wage after getting one of them Mc.Jobs

    2. Re:Squatting? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      You want to squat on steve.jobs?

      Obviously not an Apple fan!

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    3. Re:Squatting? by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Unless your name is also "Steve Jobs", in which case the famous one may well pay you. Your name on the other hand starts with F and down arrow. What's up with that?

    4. Re:Squatting? by LordEd · · Score: 1

      The real question is, how much will the lawyers stand to make?

  4. Names by DarkHelmet · · Score: 4, Funny
    I for one can't wait until they approve .xxx. Here are a list of names I would snag up, both xxx and otherwise.
    1. whitehouse.xxx (It would of course refer to clinton as president... it HAS to)
    2. britneyspears.xxx (Imagine the hits you could get to a site like this)
    3. g.mail (nuff said)
    4. euthan.asia
    5. steve.jobs
    6. michaeljackson.xxx (Because I want the FBI at my door)
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    1. Re:Names by CkB_Cowboy · · Score: 0

      you forgot..

      blow.jobs
      hand.jobs

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    2. Re:Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh... RIM.jobs ? I'd by that for a dollar!

    3. Re:Names by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      3. g.mail (nuff said)

      As far as I'm aware, single character domain names aren't allowed any more. Sorry. :)

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    4. Re:Names by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      You forgot:
      hot.grits.xxx

    5. Re:Names by bcmm · · Score: 1
      whois a.com
      [...]
      IANA Whois Service
      Domain: a.com
      Name: IANA_RESERVED
      [...]
      FWIW.
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    6. Re:Names by ryanjensen · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You don't have to wait for .xxx ... New.net has been offering this extension for years.

      Which brings up an interesting question: can ICANN just usurp New.net's market in .xxx domains without compensating New.net for the destruction of their business? I believe this already happened with the .biz extension, which was originally offered by Atlantic Root Network.

      - Ryan

  5. Not enough by ites · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TLDs should not be restricted in this way. It creates an artificial shortage which simply acts as a tax. Is there any technical reason why TLDs cannot be created by anyone with the capability?

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    1. Re:Not enough by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then it will start looking like the newsgroup hierarchy.

    2. Re:Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      mod parent up.

      can't agree more. and as far as i remember, it was the initial intent of the author of the dns system.

      the shortage of tlds is just plain abuse from ICANN.

    3. Re:Not enough by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Informative

      and indeed, research public dns servers some time.

      you'll find there are MANY alternate tld schemes, including one which was using .biz- and that got destroyed by icann..

      http://support.open-rsc.org/.servers/
      You can freely use any of these servers instead of your ISP's nameservers if you want to be able to see ALL the domain names on the net, not just the ones in the US Government controlled nameservers. You will, of course be able to see all the "old" domain names like .com, but you'll also be able to see all the ORSC new top level domains, too. If you need instructions on how to use these please see
      for one example.

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    4. Re:Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the problem with that would be what exactly...?

    5. Re:Not enough by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Google would take over, with a crappy interface.

    6. Re:Not enough by kabbor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry, but I do not agree.

      If they opened up the . namespace for registrations, then every *.com should be automatically given the registration for *, or all we will see on /. is cybersquatter lawsuits.

      Having some inforced order is, IMHO, The Right Thing. Just wish it was better inforced.

    7. Re:Not enough by bersl2 · · Score: 1

      Other than being generally messy, nothing.

    8. Re:Not enough by missing000 · · Score: 1

      The problem with usenet names is the fact that there is a master list. There is no such list for the web, and making one, yet alone displaying it, is really unfeasible.

      I don't really see this as a problem. There is a lot of legislation in place to keep people away from trademark issues, so I say let people register whatever name they want, just don't be evil.

    9. Re:Not enough by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1
      The problem with usenet names is the fact that there is a master list.

      This is true within the 8 hierarchies historically known as Usenet (comp, humanities, misc, news, rec, soc, sci, talk) and within many other hierarchies but there is certainly no authoritative list of top-level names.

      There is no such list for the web, and making one, yet alone displaying it, is really unfeasible.

      Right, but there's a hierarchy of authoritative name information.

    10. Re:Not enough by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Is there any technical reason why TLDs cannot be created by anyone with the capability?

      None at all. That's the way it currently works. Only ICANN has the capability :-)

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    11. Re:Not enough by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      No.

      http://www.opennic.unrated.net/

      http://www.crackmonkey.org/faq.html#ANSWER6

      As the good folks at Crackmonkey mention the problem is getting others to pay attention to you.

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    12. Re:Not enough by northcat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Such huge changes will definitely have bad effects. I can't think of any right now. Well, one such effect will be easier phishing with mistyped URLs. Like www.mastercar.dcom. And many other bad effects.

    13. Re:Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't imageine it being significantly worse than it already is, unless somome is trying to successfully go to some legit site named a.xyz

      Domain name registration should be free and robust against (ab)use by squatting.

    14. Re:Not enough by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Not so! I created my own TLD and it works quite well. Of course, people away from my LAN have trouble finding it, but that's not my problem. (I guess I could always put a spare P233/MMX on the net as an alternative top-level name server for everyone else. How much load could there be? ;)

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    15. Re:Not enough by ceeam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because www.sony.com is probably less confusing then sony. Just sony. Or http://sony/ is you like. I bet there would be much, much more jammed namespace then even .com.

    16. Re:Not enough by me+at+werk · · Score: 1
      Does this incorporate the New.net entries?

      On that note, new.net already sells .xxx. All the owners of these .xxx domains, what will happen to them? I can just imagine it.

      Now that .xxx is real, my site doesn't work anymore, even on new.net spywared machines! Gimme my money back!


      Sigh. Wonder how this'll turn out.
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  6. I'm thinking... by ImaLamer · · Score: 5, Funny

    blow.jobs
    hand.jobs
    head.jobs


    Wait, let me get my credit card number.

    1. Re:I'm thinking... by hnile_jablko · · Score: 1

      rim.jobs
      foot.jobs
      wax.jobs

      i could continue..... but something urgent requires my attention.....

    2. Re:I'm thinking... by Performaman · · Score: 2, Funny

      What if the company that makes the BlackBerry, RIM, were to register a .jobs domain?

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    3. Re:I'm thinking... by nutznboltz · · Score: 1

      nose.jobs
      boob.jobs
      deadend.jobs

  7. Monster.jobs? by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Clearly, monster.jobs is required, because monster.com has had such a low hit rate. And I suppose a few others. So we've created a top level domain for about 4 or 5 sites total.

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    1. Re:Monster.jobs? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny
      You've nailed it exactly. Supposedly, each company will want to rush out to register example.jobs in addition to example.com, but that's just dumb. What's so hard about www.example.com/jobs, or jobs.example.com for that matter?

      I can't imagine a big push by webmasters to move their visitors off their primary websites onto another domain. They'd suddenly have a pack of extra issues to deal with, like realizing that their current authentication cookies that are set for .example.com won't carry across to their new site.

      I can almost see the utility in adding a small set of additional TLDs (as opposed to opening the TLDs and being done with it), but the ones they pick are invariably stupid special-interest projects that maybe 15 people will use. I could understand one for, say, .rest for the millions of restaurants out there. Why they labor and strive to bring us .giantballofstring is beyond me.

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  8. .xxx is potentially bad news. by \\ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't really understand the point of a .xxx tld. You can usually tell from a domain name if you should be loading the url or not, it isn't like everything will be forced to use .xxx once the new tld exists.. unless..

    If the point of .xxx is to force adult web sites into using it, how long until adult sites are sued into the ground for using other tlds? What if I'm running a french or italian language site with occasional boobies on it on a .com tld, would some tool force me onto a .xxx? Or even a .uk site?

    Blarg. .xxx is perhaps more stupid than the entire artificial tld scarcity bit.

    1. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by \\ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To make an analogy (uh oh) I probably should've made above, retroactively creating a .xxx is like trying to ban guns in a country that already has millions upon millions of guns already in circulation. It'll never work.

    2. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      on the contrary, .xxx will make good business(selling names to porn sites) and a lot of people will want a domain ending in .xxx just for the fun of it.

      now.. .jobs is useless. how many sites will there be that the name will be useful for, and how many sites of those that already exist want to rebrand their site to .jobs? none? 100 at most, not enough for a tld imho.

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    3. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Wordsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Easy blacklisting, for school and library filters. Also, for scrupulous porn sites, it's good marketing.

      Let's say hustler.com simply becamed a redirect to huster.xxx. Any school/library filter would instantly know it's a no-no site, without having some schlub at the filter company check to see if its about tricking people on the basketball court.

      For various reasons, FORCING sites onto the xxx tld would be a bad thing - you'd have to put someone in charge of deciding what's pornographic, or adult, and that's a dangerous distinction to let any one group/person make. But the domain would be a great place for the sites that clearly acknowledge they're adult in nature -- after all, you'd know where to find them. It would be good marketing.

      For the seedy sites that try to fool you into visiting them, or that pretend to be one thing when they're really another, this doesn't do much.

    4. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, who's talking about forcing people?? I'm sure a TON of websites would love to get a .xxx domain, making it plainly obvious what they contain. Most people want to go to sex sites and see nude people and porno, and most people find this a natural thing, and what better way to attract these people's attention than with a .xxx domain. On the internet, you're in the minority if you think porno sites are some evil that must be forced out of hiding and blocked to hell. On the internet.

    5. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by XorNand · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true. I was surfing at lunch one day, looking to pick of a weight training bench. I wanted to check out the selection of the local Dick's Sporting Goods store so I (naively) went to dicks.com. Whoops. Glad *I* was the one responsible for reviewing HTTP logs. :-\

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    6. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are against more porn being created on the internet? Weirdo...

    7. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 1

      Not true. I remember a guy at work in late 90s who wouldn't type www.excite.com because he thought it wasn't work appropriate, and what about whitehouse.com?

      John.

    8. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by \\ · · Score: 2, Informative

      What about horror sites like stile project or ogrish or whatever that are clearly not pornography but don't fit into .xxx? Why not just make .nc17 or .mature or .adult or something?

      I really believe someone is going to eventually introduce legislation forcing adult content onto .xxx, or something specific, and I think that's a mistake.

    9. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the point of .xxx is to force adult web sites into using it, how long until adult sites are sued into the ground for using other tlds? What if I'm running a french or italian language site with occasional boobies on it on a .com tld, would some tool force me onto a .xxx? Or even a .uk site?

      Maybe the first step is to just create the xxx domain.

      What I'd do (if I was ICANN or whomever):

      * Create the xxx tld and then take a select bunch of dictionary words and sell them to pr0n friendly bandwidth/hosting providers.
      * Make them the official registratrs for "free.xxx", "anal.xxx" or whatever.
      * This creates more imaginative and available pr0n namespace (pr0n is always going to be number one)
      * Allow ISP's or OS vendors to block xxx domain
      * Stop accepting pr0n sites for .com, .net, .org, (and .edu and .mil)
      ** Don't get into censorship, unspoken agreement.
      * Allow pr0n marketing on other tld's...
      ** Direct community of pr0n content producers to use the xxx tld when the content is obscene
      ** Example: playboy.tv is a site about the channel, but it doesn't have nude content. When you want nude you click into xxx tld, unless your parents blocked it.
      ** Example (2): Playboy.com is a portal to all xxx tlds but contains magazine content; all images are hosted on a xxx tld.
      * Only send form letters to .com owners when enough people vote for it or something...

      I think we can solve the "censorship" problem a lot easier that way. Make it transparent to content producers who want to go wild and they will adopt it fast, and that is all it takes. Build the porn, they will come (no pun intended).

      Some say this approach will cause it to become USENET 2010, but I say that depends on content producers. If they want to create pointy.boobies.bobs.image.xxx let them - but they will learn right away that won't work.

    10. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Funny
      I really believe someone is going to eventually introduce legislation forcing adult content onto .xxx, or something specific, and I think that's a mistake.

      Exactly. And one man's adult content is another man's vacation photos from a topless beach.

    11. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can usually tell from a domain name if you should be loading the url or not

      whitehouse.org
      nice-tits.org

      Both not really the sites you might expect

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    12. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I respectively disagree. I love checking out porn, but at the same it as gotten completely out of control. There's no filter or block putting a wall between that stuff and society. When young, if I wanted a Playboy, you had to go to the bookstore and either go to back of the store where the mags had their covers blocked with cardboard and grab it (while dodging the fat, lonely greasy wankers sweatily peeking at the mags) or, even worse, ask the man behind the counter (who likely knew your parents) to get it for you. Nowadays, sex acts that turn the stomach are right there on the web one click away.


      I think these days, with increasing conservatism in the US, it is better to segregate the porn into its own zone. This way, schools, etc. in the red states could block all the content they don't want with a simple filter. Parents could also set up their home computers to block out the xxx content.


      This would be just like the local sex shops in many places: no windows and isolated or gathered in their own seedy and defined district. Everyone who wants those products and services can get them freely but the businesses at the same time don't offend the morally conscious in the community.


      For this reason, the right wing type won't be encouraged to press their congressmen to pass laws that will shut down the industry completely. Remember, we've got about 50 or 60 years of increasingly right wing government ahead of us.


      As for the borderline sites, well, the admins would be best to admit they're selling sex and go with xxx and not risk the wrath of the Feds. All it takes is one underage model accidently pictured along with thousands of of age models and the site owners will wind up in jail for child porn. Even the suspicion of an underage pic or two would bankrupt them in court proving otherwise and the accusation would utterly destroy the individuals' reputation in society, even if proven false in the end.


      As for foreign sites, they'd wind up switching to xxx over time also. Although US law doesn't apply, all it takes is a quiet call from the US Ambassador in some poor country to the President, Prime Minister, etc. mentioning displeasure over the not xxx porn and how their foreign aid tranche seems to be stuck in Congress for some reason ...


      For richer countries, there's always some trade benefit, local terrorist group whose US assets the locals want seized, dissident who shouldn't be let in to the US to speak at the UN or gather money, etc. well worth breaking the heads of a few grotty pornographers who don't want to understand that .xxx is the way to go.

    13. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by northcat · · Score: 1

      Um, no, people can still use whichever TLD available they want for porn. Where the fuck did you get that idea? And who will force people to use .xxx? One country's government can not force other countries to do the same thing. So at worst this law will be restricted to one country.

    14. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heres a better idea, why not create a ".kids" and put all the kid safe content there. Then you can restrict your kids to that domain. There could be a cnn.kids, health.kids, etc. that contains content which is safe for kids.

      Trying to make the entire world kid safe, and pushing the non-kid safe stuff into a corner is impossible. The world is for adults, its not for kids. The point of sheltering kids to protect them from aspects of the adult work that parents deem their kids are not ready for yet. Not to make the world kid-safe and mother approved for all. Thats impossible. IF you think you can do that, you will always be disappointed, you will always be struggling to box reality up and shove it into a corner so your kids won't see it.

    15. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Easy blacklisting, for school and library filters. Also, for scrupulous porn sites, it's good marketing.

      [...]

      For the seedy sites that try to fool you into visiting them, or that pretend to be one thing when they're really another, this doesn't do much.

      Exactly.

    16. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Even with Firefox's LinkPreview you can't tell that whitehouse.org is not what you might think it should be.

    17. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by koreaman · · Score: 1

      That would fucking suck.

    18. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just make .nc17 or .mature or .adult or something?

      Because ".nc17" would be meaningless to everyone outside the USA (and in most places the age associated with adult content is 18, not 17), while ".mature" and ".adult" would be meaningless to everyone whose first language is not English.

      On the other hand, ".com", ".org", and the like, are equally meaningless to everyone, while ".xxx" is instantly meaningful in just about every language in the world.

    19. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      There is a big world outside of the united states and not all countries or societies have the same values and social concerns. For example, if your site showed a naked bressed in some context in America, it would be abhorent, whereas in Australia, it would just be normal.

      And do you really want to begin classifying the internet institutionally based on how relatively appropriate it is for children? The beauty of the net is that you create whatever you want however you want and people can deem for themselves what is or is not appropriate for their own consumption.

    20. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by wired_parrot · · Score: 1

      I think .xxx won't work simply because adult web sites will stay from it.

      Consider if you are adult web site operator looking to register your web site. If you register it as .xxx, you know you can expect your site be blacklisted by "family-friendly" ISPs, businesses concerned about their employees web-usage, most schools and the more conservative universities, as well as some of the more puritanical goverments. Why would you want it to register as .xxx when the number of users who can access it will be vastly lower than those who can access .com?

      And yes, some goverments may try to legislate adult web sites into using .xxx only, but the successful pr0n sites will merely move overseas making enforcement impossible.

    21. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      I find Mary Whitehouse's name decidedly inappropriate. It makes me shudder just to type it.

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    22. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by Dwonis · · Score: 1

      This has been addressed in RFC 3675

    23. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by papaskunk · · Score: 1

      I've had this idea for a while now too. The best part is, pr0n sites would voluntarily go to .xxx, because pr0n sites want to be found. They would want to be on the .xxx domain, because search engines could filter out everything except .xxx domain. Or, vice versa, if you don't want to see any .xxx search results, you don't have to see them.

    24. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by yakofdeath · · Score: 1

      * Allow ISP's or OS vendors to block xxx domain

      I don't see how this solves the censorship problem at all. If the xxx TLD is blocked by the ISP or OS vendor, (I don't know why an OS vendor would block a TLD, but ok) then no porn sites will use .xxx as their only TLD, since it could potentially be blocked. Allowing the TLD to be blocked would only make censorship easier.

    25. Re:.xxx is potentially bad news. by DrScotsman · · Score: 0

      I think this is a great idea.

      However if some form of illegalisation of non .xxx domains for porn takes place, I'd specifically make it for sites that are near-purely for adult porn content, and I'd make it for domains registered past a certain point (i.e. other people get to wait until theirs expire). I know that's opinionated, but I'm sure people are smart enough to tell the difference between a message board and one picture of a topless woman, and a porn site with "Free tour" in big point-72 letters.

  9. It's not a dupe! by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 5, Funny
    "We've covered both of these domains before, but it would seem they are even more-approved now"

    Whoah, back off people he's just applied a +4 magical dupe shield. Now we can't use our 4th level 'Cry of dupe' scroll.

    1. Re:It's not a dupe! by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Stand back. I still have my +10 Staff of "Allow us to moderate articles!" Plea. I'll nail him with it, and then you guys bury him with a few thousand -1, Redundants.

    2. Re:It's not a dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have my +10 Staff of "Allow us to moderate articles!" Plea. I'll nail him with it, and then you guys bury him with a few thousand -1, Redundants.

      Hang on, though... only Level 12 Admins can cast -1, Redundant more than five times in a day. And they might counter with an area-effect $rtbl. I suggest casting Ignore instead.

    3. Re:It's not a dupe! by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Don't tell them, but I secretly have acquired a +50 Artifact of Withering Sales Revenue. I'm unable to use it, but on the lookout for someone with the lvl that can wield it.

  10. .COM is way too intuitive by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two reasons I think these new domains won't make a huge impact.
    First because people can spell whitehouse.com better than whitehouse.xxx, due to the O ;)
    Second, .COM is largely seen as the sole TLD around which the web is based.
    When .mail, .asia and .xxx etc become available, people with .com domains would be seen as old timers in the field. I remember icann also approved of .pro. How many people do you know who actually use .pro? These extra TLD's are just another way of generating revenue for registrars. People who couldn't get sex.com and gave up on other names will want to grab sex.xxx in the future. Thats when google will be come a heavyweight in domain registration....

    1. Re:.COM is way too intuitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second, .COM is largely seen as the sole TLD around which the web is based.

      And this is posted on a website called slashdot.ORG.

    2. Re:.COM is way too intuitive by Taladar · · Score: 1

      Actually .com is a really good indicator which sites to avoid. Usually .net and .org sites are less corporate (as in: ads only and no useful information) and contain more useful information.

  11. Can we have a .dot, too while you're at it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It would greatly improve slashdot's domain.

    http://slashdot.dot sounds great. Like morse code or something.

    1. Re:Can we have a .dot, too while you're at it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It would be http://slash.dot, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Can we have a .dot, too while you're at it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Going by recent content, Slashdot would want to set up this server:

      dot.dot---dot.dot

    3. Re:Can we have a .dot, too while you're at it? by zaxios · · Score: 2, Funny

      http: slash slash slash dot dot dot

      Fabulous! Typing that URL is a superb introduction to Slashdot's essentially redundant nature. Soon you'll be posting stories that rephrase actual news sites, enjoying CmdrTaco repost them, reaffirming the evils of draconian copyright law in any mildly appropriate article and reusing the Soviet Russia meme. It all starts with the slash, followed by a slash, followed by yet another slash.

    4. Re:Can we have a .dot, too while you're at it? by northcat · · Score: 0

      And for those of you who don't know: It means SOS.

  12. Yes... by derfy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see .biz/.info in spam all the time.

    Oh damn, I've depressed myself.

    1. Re:Yes... by Toresica · · Score: 1

      I see .biz/.info in spam all the time.

      What are you doing *reading* spam?
      Most people just delete it...

  13. No no no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What we REALLY need is a .blog and force them all onto it so we can exclude them from search results.

    Plus it'd be really easy for goverments to censor them all in one fell swoop! :)

    1. Re:No no no by drigz · · Score: 1

      That is the best way of using these unorthodox TLDs I have heard for a while. Please, ICANN and US Gov, please do that.

    2. Re:No no no by wootest · · Score: 1

      And with that, I'm off to submit a request for .generalizingcynicalbastards.

  14. Speaking of whitehouse.xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're going to need to institute some sort of checking for duplicate 2nd level domain qualifiers to prevent all the additional problems with domain squatting. When you do that, you effectively only have one TLD. So slashdot.org, slashdot.com, slashdot.net, slashdot.xxx, slashdot.travel, ... are all the same. Or should they be?

  15. the purpose of these TLDs is obvious by rtphokie · · Score: 1

    sales at ICANN members must be declining. What medium to large company isn't going to register .jobs? Those that dont will generate lots of billable hours for their lawyers.

    But I'm probably just seeing the glass as half full aren't I?

    1. Re:the purpose of these TLDs is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So these new TLDs will create more expenses for the larger corporations that we all hate? That's a Good Thing!

  16. Having made a huge mess already... by schestowitz · · Score: 1

    So ICANN now decide to make things worse, as if it wasn't bad enough. First they allow any damned fools to take over a domain that's not suitable and now they even add an xxx suffix? Is that what the Internet is about? Jobs, leisure and pr0n? It's about time the Internet adopted a tree strcuture. This shouldn't have been such a mess to begin with.

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    1. Re:Having made a huge mess already... by Mad+Hughagi · · Score: 1

      It should have never progressed past the national stucture. Now each echelon of the government and the associated financial community will balk at opening up the top level until it is economically viable, ie, in their best interest.

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    2. Re:Having made a huge mess already... by ramblin+billy · · Score: 1


      "Is that what the Internet is about? Jobs, leisure and pr0n?"

      Of course not. You forgot free stuff.

      billy - yes...lets NEVER forget free stuff

    3. Re:Having made a huge mess already... by cesspool · · Score: 1

      "Now each echelon of the government..."
      was that some kind of clever joke?

  17. TLDs should be optional by tehshen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's always annoyed me how companies must register two or three domains, to pull in the users that only know .com. If you are a .org (like Slashdot) it's best to register a .com as well, so lost visitors get to your site that way as well; if you're a .co.uk (like the BBC) you also need a .com for the same reason. It shows that the TLD idea wasn't thought through, or was designed to make people register many domains, generating loads of money (not best for the end-user).

    Citing monster.com as an example again: it is a jobs site, so it should get a .jobs domain. But not many people have heard of .jobs, so it has to get a .com as well. But why do we need these - what's wrong with 'http://monster' by itself? It should go to the main monster jobs page. If I wanted country-specific sites, I would go to the monster.co.uk or monster.de subdivisions. Categorising things by their status just confuses things.

    I shouldn't care whether the site I want is a network, a company, or a non-profit organisation; usually I just want to get to the site.

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    1. Re:TLDs should be optional by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It shows that the TLD idea wasn't thought through, or was designed to make people register many domains, generating loads of money

      No, it shows that the TLD idea is from a time when net users were expected to have minimum tech knowledge. Once AOL entered the picture, the idea became too complicated for the average luser and broke down.

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    2. Re:TLDs should be optional by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1
      what's wrong with 'http://monster' by itself? It should go to the main monster jobs page.
      It does with Firefox. :)
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    3. Re:TLDs should be optional by bcd · · Score: 1

      Don't most people discover new web sites either through search engines or hyperlinks from other sites, in which case it really doesn't matter what the URL is anyway?

      I couldn't tell you the URLs of most of the web sites I visit; I just bookmark them once I discover them. And by organizing and renaming bookmark entries, I can then call the site whatever I want.

    4. Re:TLDs should be optional by fossa · · Score: 1

      Be an elitist if you like. I've said it before, but it's worth saying again: my telephone directory allows names with spaces, names with punctuation, and multiple entries with identical names.

      It's not a question of a minimum of tech knowledge. It's a question of yet another system that forces humans to bend to the limitations of computers. Of course, computers are perfectly capable of achieving what the telephone directory has and much more which makes it all the more frustrating. It hasn't been done due to inertia, laziness, or things I just don't understand.

    5. Re:TLDs should be optional by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 1

      what's wrong with 'http://monster' by itself?

      Ask my MySQL server, monster.(mydomain).org

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    6. Re:TLDs should be optional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the latter.

    7. Re:TLDs should be optional by tehshen · · Score: 1

      'http://monster.(mydomain)' should suffice. I'm talking about TLDs not subdomains...

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    8. Re:TLDs should be optional by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      So, you want multiple identical domains? What happens then when you type in slashdot.org and there are three of them? Does it list them, allowing you to choose one? How do you know which one is the "right" one? Just try them all, one after another?

      What if instead of three, there were three hundred? What if it's not slashdot you're trying to get to, but an ecommerce site, or your bank? Do you still feel lucky?

    9. Re:TLDs should be optional by fossa · · Score: 1

      So, you want multiple identical domains? ... How do you know which one is the "right" one?

      I don't know. If my bank advertises "mybank.com", I can trust I am entering personal info at the correct website (ignoring DNS cache poisoning) without needing to use a cumbersome IP address; score one for the current DNS. So, at some level, no I do not want one unique name resolving to multiple sites. It is notable that the trust comes not from any property of the DNS/TLD (other than uniqueness), but from out-of-band information (information distributed by the bank directly, which I trust).

      At a different level, if I have no out-of-band information, I cannot know the correct domain. If I am trying to locate the website of SomeCompany, I might try somecompany.com. Or I'd use a search engine and maybe find "somecompany.com", "some-company.com", "somecompany-widgets.com", or "somecompany.co.uk". The DNS/TLD system offers miniscule help in finding the correct site.

      If I want Bob Smith's phone number, I look him up in the phone book and maybe get 50 entries along with additional information to help me choose the correct one. There is no phone book for the Internet. DNS is too low level, and search engines are too broad. Perhaps search engines or some other service could offer a more narrow search intended to locate an official website given a name, and we could be rid of this mess of TLDs.

      DNS is good at converting a unique word to an IP address, making it much much easier to remember a large number of domain names (compared with telephone numbers). DNS is not good at locating the previously unknown website of a given entity. The TLD smorgasbord seems to be a failed attempt to make DNS reveal more information than it is prepared to reveal.

    10. Re:TLDs should be optional by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 1

      I access most of the machines on my network without a fully qualified domain name. Anything without a tld gets resolved locally. I'm sure most people use their local domains this way, so your scheme would much things up.

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    11. Re:TLDs should be optional by Tom · · Score: 1

      Be an elitist if you like.

      I am. The same way that my doctor will not bother to explain the fine details of my medical condition because I wouldn't understand it anyways. The difference is that the 'net has become an open access medium, while do-it-yourself surgery kits are not a big hype.

      my telephone directory

      Your telephone directory doesn't cover a couple billion numbers world-wide. The DNS does.

      It's a question of yet another system that forces humans to bend to the limitations of computers.

      Maybe. Then again, as long as you we have keyboards, "www.amazon.co.uk" is simply much more convenient to type than "Take me to the website of the amazon online shop in the United Kingdom".

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    12. Re:TLDs should be optional by Tom · · Score: 1

      DNS isn't a phone book, never was, and never was intended to be one. It's a laziness mechanism. It was made so you don't have to remember four bytes of numbers, but can remember a name instead. Since humans are better at remembering names then numbers, it serves that purpose well.

      If you want a phone book, maybe you should propose a suitable RFC? It's not as if the internet standards were not extendable, you know?

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    13. Re:TLDs should be optional by cortana · · Score: 1

      Anyone know the key of the setting to disable this?

  18. I'll register blow.jobs and hand.jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll make millions!

    1. Re:I'll register blow.jobs and hand.jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do that, you'll either get sued for not performing, or you'll make a sore throat and RSI in your arm.

  19. At this point... by brainnolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At this point the tld does not make any sense anymore. Sites are (were) classified in 2 big categories:

    - By language (.it, .de, .au, .uk, etc..)
    - By kind (and assumed language was english (.org, .com, .net, .edu)

    The first category is ok and works well. But then we come to the second. Having these 4 original category: .com, .org, .net identified Commercial sites, Organization sites (usually non-profit), .net i really never understood and .edu represent educational institues. So the .info was missing (but is largely unused) and they added it. Now .travel, .jobs etc are just confusing. How do i distinguish a travel agency from a informational site on travels from the TLD if they have the same TLD? This put in the same category completely different sites. I really thing the travel agency should be .com and the info site should be .info. Also .biz for me is a misterious entity because it could be interpreted as .com.

    So why can't people just use the 2nd level domain to describe who they are? The TLD is already composed of enough entries to distinguish the category.

    Slashdot should be .info in my mind. Or .dupes, but that is another story.

    1. Re:At this point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or .dupes, but that is another story

      No, the point of dupes is that they're the same story.

    2. Re:At this point... by kabbor · · Score: 0

      .net was for `network infrastructure' - Root nameservers, routers etc. Then it became extended to entities providing the above, and then it became meaningless.
      Then .org followed in it's wake.
      Oh, you forgot .mil(itary)

    3. Re:At this point... by Adelbert · · Score: 3, Informative

      At this point the tld does not make any sense anymore. Sites are (were) classified in 2 big categories: - By language (.it, .de, .au, .uk, etc..)

      What language do they speak in .au (Australia) and .uk (the UK) then?

      Originally, non-international websites were meant to use their own countries (correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a .us?). However, more and more companies, organisations and people just go for .com, .org, .net or whatever.

      Its not even consistent between countries. In Australia, they have .com.au, but the British equivalent is .co.uk.

      Now, with the introduction of .jobs and .travel, the whole thing is becoming more and more confusing.

      I'm still waiting for .spam, .l337~h4XX0r and .mockedupimitationusedforphishingscams

    4. Re:At this point... by brainnolo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thank you for pointing out :) .mil and .gov should be removed in my opinion because they are exclusive to the US while they should be available to other countries as well, or eliminated altogheter.

    5. Re:At this point... by brainnolo · · Score: 1

      Yeah i meant nationality, not language, sorry.

    6. Re:At this point... by zootm · · Score: 0, Redundant
      At this point the tld does not make any sense anymore. Sites are (were) classified in 2 big categories: - By language (.it, .de, .au, .uk, etc..) - By kind (and assumed language was english (.org, .com, .net, .edu)

      The first category are countries, rather than languages, and the second were all supposed to be associated with the US at first, but have been used more and more by just anyone.
    7. Re:At this point... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

      I know you wanted to say country and not language.
      Let each country have its way. Put all the com, net, org, biz, sex, whatever in .us and then let each and every country have its way how they would like to do it.

      Are you a large company that operates in a lot of countries? Register in each and every country. I am sure there will be companies who will help you do this.

      Are you a small company working in only one country? register just there. I can even imagine that prices are lower if you register per state in the US or per provice or whatever in other countries.

      So just ditch the complete TLD and just go to countries and as long as the EU is not a country, we do not need that. The only one to be maintained is perhaps int as long as they maintain the curent rules.

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    8. Re:At this point... by cpghost · · Score: 1

      We have .gov, instead of .gov.us, because the US Government is effectively governing the whole world (save for some few stubborn "renegate countries" they would like to govern as well). Other countries would use .gov.ccTLD to designate their *local* governments. Oh, and the french would not accept the english "gov" and would opt for .gouv.fr ;-)

      As for .mil: it's a wonder we don't have the TLDs .usaf, .army and .navy as well, considering how much they are competing against each other!

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    9. Re:At this point... by northcat · · Score: 0, Troll

      Few corrections. First of all they country TLDs, not language TLDs. Language has nothing to do with TLDs. And .edu is only for colleges/institutions approved by some American organisation (can't remember its name). It's mostly just American universities.

    10. Re:At this point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .net was originally intended for ISPs

    11. Re:At this point... by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      www.navy.gov.au (one example of thousands) .mil is less common, but there are a few kicking around.

      Unless you are meaning '.gov' or '.mil' without the country code? If so, ignore me please :-)

    12. Re:At this point... by Luthair · · Score: 1

      You need to clarify your first sentence.

    13. Re:At this point... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Funny
      .l337~h4XX0r
      New Zealand has .geek.nz for that
    14. Re:At this point... by 40000 · · Score: 1

      How do you define a .info category?
      It's either a company or a not-for-profit site.
      Maybe .info would be more appropriate for search engines.
      There doesn't seem to be very many uses for .net, perhaps it should be used for domains which are mainly used to host other people's sites.
      I think the most useful sites often don't need a descriptive domain name. If Google used "thebestsearchengineintheworld.biz" then the brand might not get quite the respect it does, I'd expect a load of popups on visiting a site with a name like that.

    15. Re:At this point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a non-profit personal user whose site is completely unrelated to anything geographical whatsoever and just happens to attract a global audience?

      I suppose Mr Houghi thinks you should register in your local country. Fine until you emigrate somewhere, and suddenly under Mr Houghi's wonderful scheme you have to change your domain name - even though the content and audience need not have changed in the slightest.

      Or what about, for example, the site for an open-source software package that is maintained by a loose network of people across the globe? Which country or countries should that have its domain registered in? Those of all the major contributors? Hopeless if the team is constantly changing. That of the maintainer? Hopeless if the maintainership will ever change hands. That of the server? Same problem.

      The internet is not geographically constrained!

      And any naming scheme that tries to constrain it so is broken.

    16. Re:At this point... by cpghost · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      When the US government decides on global political issues, the whole world normally follows suit. So even if they don't legally govern the world, when the US government sets some global policy, it will be accepted by most other governments in the world. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule, but not so many, if you really come to think about it.

      Therefore, the US government using the global .gov TLD is ironically not really that far from the political reality.

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    17. Re:At this point... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have a .org name, because at that moment it was the closest to what I could get. .be was not possible from an individual, hence the .org

      I also am sure plenty of countries will allow you to register a doamin there, even if you are not living there, just as they do now.

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    18. Re:At this point... by bastardsquadmuzz · · Score: 1

      > Or .dupes, but that is another story.

      And another story.

      And another story...

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    19. Re:At this point... by mykdavies · · Score: 1

      By kind (and assumed language was english (.org, .com, .net, .edu)


      Actually, .org, .com, and .edu all abbreviate words with Latin roots, and so would be easily recognised by speakers of most European languages. I dislike the way that ICANN now seems to be assuming that tlds are only intended for Americans to use or understand.

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    20. Re:At this point... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      The first category are countries, rather than languages, and the second were all supposed to be associated with the US at first, but have been used more and more by just anyone.

      Partly becasue most CCTLDs had a single registrar, who applied strict condition &/or charged extortionately, where the competition in the .com registries made them much cheaper. I've never even been to the USA, but my own domain is a .com because of that. And with Joe Sixpack only knowing "Dotcom", anything else is viewed with suspicion, at least in the USA. Note the decline in the use of .org for political groups -- both www.georgewbush.com and johnkerry.com -- one can joke that both are commercial enterprises, but with any rationality both should be .org.

    21. Re:At this point... by brainnolo · · Score: 1

      Because i would redefine .info a site giving informations, such as slashdot, wikipedia, etc. Maybe is not the definition ICANN gave to it, but that is my understanding of it :)

    22. Re:At this point... by xander2032 · · Score: 1

      I don't think they should be removed. I think they should be opened up for general use. Porn sites would love them!

      Imagine...

      www.realarmymen.mil
      www.lickme.gov
      www.clinton swhitehouse.gov
      www.clintonswhorehouse.gov
      www.c hickswithdicks.gov
      www.blowme.gov

      The possibilities are endless! ;)

      (Well okay, .gov is more fun than .mil, but still!)

    23. Re:At this point... by m50d · · Score: 1

      Yes, there is a .us, for example I believe the GNAA site is at gnaa.us, or was for a time anyway. The early strict registration rules (you had to be .county.state.us) killed it, by the time they relaxed them it was too late, everyone had gone to .com. Annoyingly, though, this means people assume .com automatically means a US site, I even remember someone here complaining about a .com where prices weren't in dollars.

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    24. Re:At this point... by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      The reason .com and .gov etc were English and exclusive to the US is because the US built the internet (formaly darpanet).

      I think its fair that we don't need to use .us at all considering that..

    25. Re:At this point... by Rysc · · Score: 1

      The ICANN actually does not propose new TLDs, it merely approves them. The approval process runs something like (I am not making this up) "Do you have enough money? Approved!" For example, it takes $50,000 just to be allowed t suggest a domain, and a lot more in kickbacks to get through to final approval.

      Not enough non-english domains have had the financial backing to be approved, I guess.

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    26. Re:At this point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .edu represent educational institues

      Educational institutes offering 4-year programs. Not just any educational institute can get one.

    27. Re:At this point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty soon, the majority of internet users won't speak any Latinate languages. I don't think it matters either way.

    28. Re:At this point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget .int. (eu.int, nato.int, un.int, etc)

  20. rim.jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would take you by surprise in a quick takeover but it would leave a nasty taste in your mouth.

  21. "Will these new domains actually prove useful"? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

    Yes, absolutely - these new TLDs will allow registrars like GodAddy to ding everyone a little more when they defensively protect their namespace from alternate TLD squatters. It's brilliant.

    Now they just need to add .com2, .com3, .comX.

    1. Re:"Will these new domains actually prove useful"? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Squatters on .jobs? Sounds a bit rude.

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    2. Re:"Will these new domains actually prove useful"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only one that looks useful is .mail and it's not really like the current TLDs.

      So the short answer is probably "no"!

  22. These TLD are meaningless by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

    It is time to dump the .COM and othe meaningless now meaningless TLD.

    Let the UN take ICANN over and start selling global trademarks. So IBM becomes just .IBM not .IBM.COM

    With that local trademarks set right under... .IBM.US then .IBM.CA.US then .IBM.LA.CA.US

    1. Re:These TLD are meaningless by cpghost · · Score: 1

      Let the UN take ICANN over and start selling global trademarks.

      The UN as a merchant? Oh no! Everything else would be far better than this!

      If the UN starts selling things, shouldn't they be using the un.com domain instead of the .int tld?

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    2. Re:These TLD are meaningless by agurk · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to put Canada under US?

    3. Re:These TLD are meaningless by OwlofDoom · · Score: 1

      I read it as that first too. But I suspect .LA.CA.US means Los Angeles, California, United States.

  23. .SEX, .XXX, .KIDS Restrict Freedom of Speech by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Below is one of several posts I made on Domain Name Policy List back in 2000 and to the Public Comment Forum regarding New TLD Applications.

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    Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:52:50 -0400
    Sender: Owner-Domain-Policy
    From: Ron Bennett
    Subject: [ICANN COMMENT] .SEX, .XXX, .KIDS TLDs Restrict Freedom of Speech
    To: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.NETSOL.COM

    First the problems with the proposed .SEX & .XXX TLDs:

    The proposed TLDs .SEX and .XXX seem well intentioned as a way of partitioning off adult oriented materials from minors, etc.

    But how does one exactly define adult oriented materials? -especially considering the internet is an international medium. What is considered adult oriented here in the United States isn't elsewhere and vice-versa.

    And what happens when ICANN or whoever decides to go the next step and restricts adult oriented materials to *only* certain TLDs - for example .SEX and .XXX only.

    And how would such content restrictions be enforced?

    In the end TLDs such as .SEX and .XXX will probably result in ICANN dictating content too.

    In regards to problems with the proposed .KIDS TLD:

    Many of the same points above apply to .KIDS too...

    How does one exactly define kid oriented materials? -especially considering the internet is an international medium. What is considered adult oriented here in the United States isn't elsewhere and vice-versa. For example, nudity in many parts of the world such as parts of Europe and Japan is not considered harmful to children. On the other hand, violence aimed at children is widely tolerated in the United States, but not content containing nudity.

    And how would such content restrictions be enforced?

    And as I said above, in the end TLDs such as .KIDS will probably result in ICANN dictating content too.

    TLDs should be used to better categorize content, but not to restrict it. While .SEX, .XXX, and .KIDS TLDs are well intentioned, all three of these TLDs are all primarily intended to *restrict* content as opposed to merely categorizing it. It's very important to keep this distinction in mind when considering new .TLDs.

    Bottom line is that TLDs should be for categorizing content, not restricting content which is what the proposed .SEX, .XXX, and .KIDS TLDs would do and thus they should *not* be added.

    Ron Bennett
    bennett@wyomissing.com

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    More posts and comments by others involved in domain name policy regarding these issues:

    http://www.circleid.com/article/530_0_1_0_C/

    1. Re:.SEX, .XXX, .KIDS Restrict Freedom of Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh?? Your comments take the flying logic leap that with a .xxx TLD, "porno" sites are barred from .com, .org, etc. No such thing. Are non-profits barred from getting a .com TLD? Are universities barred from getting a .org TLD? NO! And porn sites will not be barred from getting domains in other relevant TLDs such as .com. Same with child-oriented sites. It will be OPTIONAL for them to get a .xxx or .kids domain, same as it's OPTIONAL for museums to get a .museum domain.

      Give it a rest... Nobody's going to restrict the most common .com and .org TLDs for the rest of the century, so there's no restriction in your freedom of speech.

    2. Re:.SEX, .XXX, .KIDS Restrict Freedom of Speech by icepick72 · · Score: 1

      Likewise there's nothing saying a non-adult site cannot get a .xxx domain. For example, the movie TripleX with Van Diesel could have used the .xxx domain if it had existed.

    3. Re:.SEX, .XXX, .KIDS Restrict Freedom of Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. The .com and .org TLDs have no mandate or a mandate that's not being enforced. However, the newer TLDs may have specific mandates, e.g. .museum is only for real museums, or .edu is only for American learning institutions. So the .xxx TLD could conceivably be restricted to porn sites, but not vice-versa (i.e. porn sites can't be restricted to .xxx the same way Swiss sites can't be restricted to .ch). Anyway, I don't know what TripleX is or who Van Diesel is, but it sounds like it should get triplex-themovie.com or triplex.movie. The proper name is usually used in the second level of the domain name, not the top (which denotes the type).

  24. Another thing-what if someone registered .local? by kabbor · · Score: 0

    ..Or perhaps any other tld that people use for private netspaces? What then happens?

  25. .xxx domain by connah0047 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I posted this comment under my other, bad account. :( I've thought for a long time that a mandate should be made that all porn sites be restricted to using the .xxx TLD. This way, parents looking to protect their kids don't have a hard time (just block .xxx from URLs) and people who want the porn have an easy time finding it...google for "site:.xxx". It puts all the NetNanny type software companies out of business, though.

  26. .xxx name clashes? by Gneral+Tsao · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I applaud the .xxx TLD simply because I'm a male, I'm not sure it's going to help resolve any namespace conflicts. After all, one of the main reasons for adding new TLDs is because the old ones are getting too crowded (the other reason for this one being easy filtering). But the thing is, girlswithhorses.com is probably going to be just as pornographic as girlswithhorses.xxx. Can anyone actually think of a case (besides spoof sites like whitehouse.xxx or motel6.xxx that ride their .com counterparts' coattails) where this is going to resolve anything?

  27. Well... by RPD9803 · · Score: 2, Funny

    the owners of www.blow.com would certainly want to snap up the equivilent .info and .jobs tld...

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  28. .travelcom? .jobscom.com? .xxx.cum.com? by Saeger · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yay. More TLD's that nobody but spammers will use. Everybody else will continue to default to the "gold standard" in domain branding: the .COM.

    .COM has been-- and will be for a long time -- the most recognized and most valuable namespace.

    (Personally, I almost never care where a domain is hosted, because I use Google to search for my "bookmarks" and rarely type-in domain URLs manually. The new TLDs are just a limited opportunity for registrars to print new money, IMO.)

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  29. .mail by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

    i think .mail will be useful but i dont see any tld's like .bank, .isp, etc so i dont think .travel is a good idea (who paid them for that?)

    1. Re:.mail by houghi · · Score: 1

      i think .mail will be useful

      The you probably also would like a .www or .ftp domain. mail.example.com works already perfectly. No need for something else.

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    2. Re:.mail by cpghost · · Score: 1

      .net was originally meant to be used by ISPs and network infrastructure providers. .isp would be just redundant. Oh, .net became meaningless and open the the general public? Too bad...

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    3. Re:.mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      mail.example.com works already perfectly. No need for something else.


      Thought so to, but reading about .mail made me change my mind. It's "outside the box" when it comes to the TLD concept (in a good way! :)

  30. none under three? by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    I had a nice Anti-semitic friend who said he tried to order "je.ws" but it was "taken"...

    this was his slick way of reminding me I was jewish, which only bothered him and not me. I knew he was lying because I already tried to register a **.ws domain and I was told it was too short.

    1. Re:none under three? by Hungry+Student · · Score: 1

      Except of course for sf.net, which I've always thought is a damn cool domain name.

    2. Re:none under three? by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      well there are two letter top level domains (a9.com), but I assume they were registered in a time lost long ago...

  31. Registration. by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    Where can I register the .bull and the .crap TLD's?

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  32. It would be most sensible if they added .porn TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and required all porn sites to relocate.

    This would allow significant advances in porn distribution as it would be very easy to put the entire TLD om mbone and you can bet they's be willing to pay for mbone if it weren't such a friggin can of worms to coordinate.

    He said BONE!

  33. Oh yeah... this will fly. by gellenburg · · Score: 1

    Check out what spammers will resort to if this passes:

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    http://tinyurl.com/6jxzk
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  34. Oh, I see 'em all right by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're usually on spams. You know, the kind that wants you to think that citicorp.biz is the Citicorp web site and therefore you should give them your password and credit card. (As far as I can tell there is no citicorp.biz, actually, but you get the idea.)

    Actually, I see it most often on business cards from extremely small businesses. The kind where FooCorp has taken the .com name but some local consultant thought that FooCorp would be a cool name. Not fraudulent, but just a latecomer.

    Like another poster said, I never give personal info to a .biz web site if I can help it, and if dice.com and hotjobs.com want to open dice.jobs and hot.jobs, go ahead, but when I need to I'll go through the dot-com domain.

    1. Re:Oh, I see 'em all right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're usually on spams. You know, the kind that wants you to think that citicorp.biz is the Citicorp web site and therefore you should give them your password and credit card. (As far as I can tell there is no citicorp.biz, actually, but you get the idea.)

      all the new tld's amount to is companies need to spend more money to register more domains across more tld's in order to protect their name and identity.

      i routinely recommend to clients to buy up any and all available tld's for the name they are registering and point them to the whatever.com they're setting up. if new tld's are going to be released, i suggest they try to get those too, before the bad boys get them.

      some follow the advise, some of the ones that dont find their whatever.biz's, whatever.info's, etc. bought by squatters with those damn pop-up infested ""search"" sites or drive-by spyware installers.

  35. Re:.xxx domain by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But what is your definition of pornography? is it going to be the same as Howard Stern's definition of pornography? is it going to be the same as the Relgious Right's definition? A lot of legitimate art contains nudity, or representations thereof - should art galleries be forced into the .xxx category? What about plastic surgery clinic websites with 'before' and 'after' pictures of things such as breast enlargement?

    Sure, filtering out hardcore pornography would be made a lot easier if all sites were forced to use the .xxx domain (it would sure make managing the blocklist for the average large UK college easier, *ahem*), but there is a lot of overlap and disagreement over what constitutes 'pornography' or 'objectionable content', and I don't think one organization or committee should be handed that much power, especially with the way the Religious Right controls much of the power in America.

    I'm personally of the opinion that the only person capable of making a judgement about what your kids can and can't see is you, and handing the power to do so over to a government committee is just letting the government raise your children for you, which would be a sad, sad day for parenthood. Just look at the furore Janet Jackson's nipple-slip caused amongst the Religious Right, who found it perfectly alright to proudly show 'shock and awe' footage of cities being devastated on prime-time TV - are these the people you want dictating what's right and wrong for your children to see? I consider the desensitizing effect of proudly showing off the devastation of enemies at war far more damaging to young minds than the odd celebrity nipple-slip

    A lot of people in the world have a seriously messed-up system of morals, and they've already got far too much power - don't jump on the .xxx bandwagon - hardcore pornography needs to be kept away from kids, but a dedicated TLD for 'objectional content' is the first step on a very slippery slope.

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  36. problem by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 1

    its know well on adult webmaster communities that if a .xxx was introduced, it would just produce clones of .com and .net names using affiliate codes or copies.

    The proposed act to force adult sites to use .xxx would create a mass rush, and mean people losing domains they rightfully should own

  37. Our Republican-era economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In light of the fact this is a Republican-era economy and a Bush economy in particular (Reagan was never this bad) I propose the following TLDs:

    no.jobs
    snow.jobs
  38. This is completely rediculous. by jleq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am absolutely appalled at this decision to create more TLDs. Not only will they create more confusion for the end user, but they will also make it much more expensive for companies to secure their name on the Internet. Why should I have to buy 10 domains with different TLDs to make sure that nobody will try and rip off my company's name online? Anyhow... how many sites do you actually *trust* with a .info domain? Most of them appear to be stupid advertisement link sites. There is no reason that we need any more than the basic TLDs we've always had... .com, .net, .org, .edu. .gov and of course the country domains (.uk, .nz, etc).

    It seems to me as though ICANN is being motivated to do this for unethical reasons. I can only hope that the community will understand how stupid this is and fight back.

  39. My question is... by Transcendent · · Score: 1

    .howlongwillthesetldsget ?

    1. Re:My question is... by cpghost · · Score: 1

      .aslongasthednsspecificationallowswhichisalot

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  40. Browser quirkies make .com valuable by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
    .com is valuable because the browsers fall back to it if a web server at the URL you enter doesn't answer. I'm not sure of the exact rules that IE and Firefox use, but Firefox will tack on .com to the domain and try again. (As well as www. on the front.)

    Note: If a web server doesn't answer. If awful.jobs resolves to an IP address, but the server goes down, the site at awful.jobs.com will get the traffic. So the owners of jobs.com could grab all .jobs scatter from typos or servers down.

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  41. Dot triple X could be dangerous by backslashdot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Make no mistake, dot triple X is very dangerous. This fight has been fought before, but today without the conscience of the net's early pioneers .. we are heading into trouble.

    If the dot triple X domain is approved, the following worst case scenario is possible.
    I don't believe it will actually happen because so far, the people have always held freedom of speech up to be very important.

    Note, this is a worst case scenario. I don't believe it's all that likely to happen.

    Popular websites, such as playboy.com, will not switch to .xxx, however start up pr0n sites will realize it's easier to market the website with dot triple x. This is where the positive aspects of dot triple X end. Then the negative scenario emerges, some parent will stumble across playboy.com and their kid who they're supposed to be watching will come into the room and see it .. and they will claim the kid is traumatized for life now.

    Then you have the lawsuit.

    "I thought it was a safe site cause it was a dot com!" ....

    Maybe an intelligent judge will throw it out of the courtroom?

    But then you have the up and coming legislators out to get a few extra votes.

    The "Freedom Using Controlled Knowledge" Act.

    HR 31337 .. "All websites that contain indecent or pornographic content must be delegated to .XXX"

    ACLU sues the government .. Massive number of religious people protest the lawsuit saying God wouldn't want pornography to exist .. ACLU loses .. the supreme court finds no reason why websites cant be forced into .XXX, after all .. the argument will say .. strip clubs can be forced into designated areas.

    All content deemed pornographic is in .XXX, well some content is immoral and distasteful .. maybe those will be forced into .XXX or some other domain ".pariah" ? who knows.

    Next move, the same parent goes to playboy.xxx .. the same kid walks in on this.

    "Why doesnt my ISP block this??"

    ISPs start blocking .XXX and .pariah content to avoid lawsuits.

    Next move, the same parent goes to goes to a kiddie porn website.

    New agency starts tracking everyone who goes to .XXX websites. This tracking information will only be archived, so as to not violate the fourth amendment. Only in cases where crime is suspected will the data be looked at.
    Congress sees this as a good thing, and assures everyone that the fourth amendment is alive and well in some dungeon somewhere safely in their control.

    Small minority of net users use encryption and pseudonymity schemes to communicate freely, these people are branded potential terrorists and pornographers. Those who use encryption excessively are marked as being involved in illegal activity and as having something to hide.

    Ultimately though, pornography will survive but freedom will die.

    This is just a worst case, I believe the people's will to freedom will prevent the worst case from happening.

    1. Re:Dot triple X could be dangerous by northcat · · Score: 1

      The next time you are talking something specific to USA, please mention which country you are talking about. Everyone else does.

  42. ob domain by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

    C'mon, what about boob.jobs? This is Slashdot after all . . .

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  43. .asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not .europe, .africa, .australia, .northamerica, and .southamerica as well?

  44. Blow.. by rf0 · · Score: 0

    OK so who is going to be the first to register blow.jobs?

    1. Re:Blow.. by saladami · · Score: 1

      probably the same guy that got www.cunniling.us

    2. Re:Blow.. by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

      But no one has fellat.io!

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  45. www.jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you use Firefox... Go to www.jobs... monster.com owns that site.

    1. Re:www.jobs by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Firefox is playing silly buggers behind your back. When www.jobs doesn't answer (try ping), Firefox adds .com and tries again. www.jobs.com is owned by Monster. Firefox should update the URL you typed in to let you know that it fixed it for you. (Can't remember what IE does.)

      It only seems to do that on domains that are entered by hand. It didn't do that when clicking on the URL that you posted.

      The really sneaky thing is that whenever a .jobs server goes down or there's a typo, Monster will get the traffic instead, and will no warning (in Firefox) to the user.

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    2. Re:www.jobs by jooniqzb1tch · · Score: 1

      well that makes sense, for now..
      the current version of firefox wouldn't add anything to the url if it did recognize a valid url (ending in a known .tld), so that behaviour would stop as soon as FF learns about new valid tlds.

    3. Re:www.jobs by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Does it really keep a list of TLDs including countries or does it just tack on .com and try again when it fails? (That's easy enough to test, but I can't be bothered right now. I guess looking at the code would be cheating? :)

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    4. Re:www.jobs by Seraphim1982 · · Score: 1

      Firefox is playing silly buggers behind your back. When www.jobs doesn't answer (try ping), Firefox adds .com and tries again. www.jobs.com is owned by Monster. Firefox should update the URL you typed in to let you know that it fixed it for you. (Can't remember what IE does.)

      I'm not sure what IE does, but every now and then when I can't connect to www.slashdot.org it tries to take me to www.www.slashdot.org.com or www.www.slashdot.org.net .

    5. Re:www.jobs by Duck1123 · · Score: 1

      I might be wrong about this, but I thought the default setting for Firefox was to give you Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky" for that term.

    6. Re:www.jobs by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Possibly. It would have been one of things I'd switch off right away, but I don't remember doing so.

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  46. Marketing: Vapors Into Cash by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    One has to ask, will these new domains actually prove useful, or is ICANN just avoiding the real issues confronting them in regards to regulating domain registration?

    Or, is ICANN just printing up more scrip for the company store? Minting new tokens, marketing them to collectors? Inventing a new fantasy baseball team in order to sell baseball cards?

    Yesterday we could choose from five types of breakfast cereal, all more or less same other than packaging. Today we pick from fifty different kinds of breakfast cereal ... all more or less the same except for the packaging.

    -kgj

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  47. Interesting possibilities.. by Flamekebab · · Score: 1

    I feel a sudden urge to go and register rim.jobs .. I wonder how much it'd cost me?

    1. Re:Interesting possibilities.. by hicsuget · · Score: 1

      about $12 in downtown Baltimore

  48. Who'll be first to register... by O-SUSHi · · Score: 2, Funny

    goatsec.xxx or goatc.xxx
    hand.jobs
    time.travel
    youth-in.asia
    hot.mail
    hot.xxx
    in.tel
    ordering-wives-from.asia
    etc, etc...

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    1. Re:Who'll be first to register... by njko · · Score: 1

      i.pod tri.pod

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  49. TLDs will always always be confusing by MECC · · Score: 1

    A lack of enforcement has already clouded the meaning of TLDs at this point such that new ones won't really add any clarity to the situation. So they may as well add new ones. It'll start to look like a USENET news group list. Maybe that's not all bad.

    People and organiztaions will continue to register to the TLDs that are best known, and domain names will always be confusing to the garden variety web surfer.

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  50. Shortest or weirdest TLDs? by cpghost · · Score: 1

    The shortest TLDs are 2-letter ccTLDs. Why don't we consider 1 letter TLDs as well: .a, .b, etc...?

    Incidentally, the german telecom, which changes names like a chameleon every now and then, called itself something like t... a few years ago (or they used this as a logo?), and they seriously asked if they could register 't...' as a domain name. Oh well, they've changed names again since then.

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  51. Is DNS outdated? by max+born · · Score: 1

    Seems a bit arbitrary to me. Why not have dot-freedom, dot-books, dot-stupidity...? How are they coming up with these TLDs?

    Forgive my ignorance but isn't the DNS hierarchy a throwback to the days when bandwidth was low and most data was kept in flat files?

    With modern database technology and highspeed connectivity how difficult would it be to map an IP address to any name with or without any number of dots distributed over a couple of hundred strategically placed name servers? Like a global telephone book.

    1. Re:Is DNS outdated? by cpghost · · Score: 1

      The telephone system in most countries already works that way: it maps an arbitrary telephone number to a real physical slot number. That's the reason people can keep their telephone numbers even when moving to a new location.

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    2. Re:Is DNS outdated? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      With modern database technology and highspeed connectivity how difficult would it be to map an IP address to any name with or without any number of dots distributed over a couple of hundred strategically placed name servers? Like a global telephone book.

      That's how DNS works, except that we've all agreed to use the same list of 13 root nameservers controlled by ICANN that publish the same data. It's almost trivially easy for a DNS admin to add or remove servers from that list, but there's a bootstrapping problem: until enough sites are accessing a particular set of "alternative" servers, the TLDs that are only hosted on those servers will only be visible to a very small set of people.

      There's no reason you can't start handing out .maxborn domains today - your DNS software almost certainly supports it - but the real trick is to convince the rest of the world to use it.

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  52. ,net is (was) for Internet infrastructure... by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    .net i really never understood

    I think these have always been arbitrary, since anyone can get a .com/.net/.org domain (unlike .edu and .gov), if not always then at least as of the late '90's, but there were supposedly people with mindspring.net email addresses, who were employees of mindspring.com.

    While .com is obbviously commercial, AFAIK there was never anything stopping anyone from selling something from a .net or .org domain. I recall where someone (perhaps quite reasonably) around 1998 though you couldn't sell things from a .org domain, but I'd been chasing down spammers enough to know it didn't matter what your domain ended with.

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  53. Why bother with other that com/net/org's? by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    I mean, it seems the majority use of such .new and .odd domain names is by spammers/scammers. There's wusb.fm, but the station apparently already had wusb.org which forwards to the same page anyway. Seems redundant to me.

    Is there any real reason for these? It seems the demans remains for .com domains, with .net and .org of the same name registered just to prevent squatters.

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    1. Re:Why bother with other that com/net/org's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://martian.fm/ - interplanetary satire. It wouldn't be quite so weird if it was plain-old martian.com, now would it?

  54. I recall "Atlanta's best polka band"... by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    (because they are Atlanta's ONLY polka band, but I digress)... named The Dots. They like to say "We have a website, it's dubya dubya dubya dot dot dot com."

    But of course that's not really their website.

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  55. inurl: searches... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is kind of useful to use the google inurt directive to use a lazy keyword and restrict your results to .edu or .org...

  56. Countdown until by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    steve.jobs is registered and pointed to a gay porn site

  57. Internet becoming bloated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the internet becoming bloated?

    - we have localized domains (.de, uk,...) which is good
    - we have .com which is widely known

    No why do we need .org, .net, .info, .jobs,... If the registrars would fucking obey the rules then maybe it would make sense.

    .net should only be allowed for internet and email providers (as it was intended), but there are loads of .net sites that are completely offtopic (like torrents.net)

    .com should be allowed for anyone to register, but there should be rules on how many domains a company/person can register. Instead people go off and buy 1000+ domain names in hopes that maybe someday, someone will need one so you can sell it for 10x the original price.

    .org is useless. Seriously. It was intended as a domain for non-profit organizations (like the red cross, unesco,...) and I don't think I need to point out where it got to (/.).

    .info, .jobs, .kids,... is a complete waste and only confuses us. 5 years from now we won't even know what to type in. Em, slashdot.net, no that's a porn site, slashdot.info, no that's already reserved, slashdot.kids, another porn site,...

    The same is with 'www.' - can someone point out a real reason why we need it? AFAIK and I did my research there is absolutely nothing useful about the www. thing. The only useful thing I found is that you at least remember where the 'w' is on the keyboard because you have to type it every fucking time.

    In a perfect world there would only .com for anyone (slashdot.com), .org for (real) non-profit organizations (unesco.org), .net for inet providers (aol.net) and .xxx for porn - so parents can filter them out easily and disable kinds from going to .xxx, set permissions in browser,...

    That all sound good but if this would happen 2 years from it would be the same as it is today, because the registrars are to stupid to set some real rules on domains.

  58. 5 years from now we wont even know what to type in by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know about you, but I find myself typing a lot less URL's these days. Google gets used a lot. Firefox makes the address bar an I'm-feeling-lucky search if it can't resolve it, so you dont have to worry about monster.com/.jobs/.net/.porn you simply just say "monster jobs" and it goes there.

  59. the reason for www. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is because historically different services would be on different machines

    so www. would be the main public web server
    ftp. the ftp archive
    irc. the chat server

    and so on

    email avoided the need for this by using a special record type in dns (the mx record)

    there are srv records which were designed to do a similar thing for other services but virtually no software supports them.

    nowadays the dominance of the web means that domain.com often points to the same place as www.domain.com but this is NOT always the case.

  60. not .xxx! use .cum! by w1cked · · Score: 1

    I personally prefer the use of .cum instead of .xxx. I mean, it makes sense, it's closer in spelling and pronunciation to .com...

    1. Re:not .xxx! use .cum! by cpghost · · Score: 1

      .cum is anglophone, .xxx is language neutral. That's also the reason why .xxx has been proposed instead of .sex.

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  61. .jobs appears to be a $ maker for SHRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I wonder who in ICANN got the blow.jobs for giving SHRM the right to force anone who wants a .jobs domain name to pay homage to their org and "code of blahblahblah"
    A qualified applicant ("Qualified Applicant") is a person who is (a) a member of SHRM; or (b) engaged in human resource management practices that meet any of the following criteria: (i) possess salaried-level human resource management experience; (ii) are certified by the Human Resource Certification Institute; or (iii) are supportive of the SHRM Code of Ethical and Professional Standards in Human Resource Management, as amended from time to time (the "Code"). A copy of the Code is attached to the Employ Media/SHRM agreement and is available at the SHRM website. The core provisions of the Code include: (1) professional responsibility (add value to the organizations they serve and contribute to the ethical success, credibility and value of those organizations); (2) professional development (strive to meet the highest standards of competence); (3) ethical leadership (exhibit individual leadership as a role model for maintaining the highest standards of ethical conduct); (4) fairness and justice (promote and foster fairness and justice for all employees in their organizations); (5) conflicts of interest (protect the interests of their stakeholders as well as their professional integrity and not engage in activities that create actual, apparent, or potential conflicts of interest); and (6) use of information (protect the rights of individuals, especially in the acquisition and dissemination of information while ensuring truthful communications). The minimum threshold to be a Qualified Applicant is thus both being engaged in human resource management practices and being supportive of the Code. In this light a member of the Community can be a Qualified Applicant in many ways. While many smaller entities do not have an "HR Manager," most have at least one individual who deals with the human element of the entity. While this person may not desire to become certified or a member of SHRM, such person is still a member of the Community (by virtue of their role of dealing with the human element of the entity) and may become a Qualified Applicant by supporting the Code. In an additional example, an independent recruiter can become a Qualified Applicant by similarly supporting the Code.
  62. Not .coop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't see spam coming from .coop.

    Potential registrants are are required to go through a verification process to prove they are bona fide co-operatives before they can register domains in the TLD.

    I don't know of any co-operative spam operations ;)

    Similar rules exist for .pro, which is reserved for lawyers, accountants, dentists, etc.

    Within the co-operative sector, .coop has a lot of traction. Probably a lot more than .pro. .biz, .info, etc. have no registrant eligibility criteria and no registrant verification. Ergo, it fills up with spammers.

    PopTel.coop, who operates the .coop registry, put in a very interesting bid for .org when the contracts were coming up.

    It would have required nonprofit use for registrants in .org and it would have been administered collectively -- eg. registrants could collectively vote on the administration of the TLD. They lost, however.

    1. Re:Not .coop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap. The verification process is here. Sigh.

  63. It's Over. Who cares? by istartedi · · Score: 1

    .com and a handful of others won. A few "novelty" country TLDs have cachet in a few places (.cx, .tv, .nu), but otherwise, it's over. No business in its right mind wants to have to educate customers not to type in ".com" but to put in ".(some business)" instead. They don't want to buy another domain either.

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  64. .TEL ? wtf :/ by Animaether · · Score: 1

    domains.xml updated. Now including the .CAT domain! *groan*

    (as usual, don't whine about well-formedness/lack thereof)

  65. Failed horribly by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

    For instance, there has been a definite lack of companies jumping on board the Cook Island's .co.ck domain.

  66. Re:.xxx domain by plague3106 · · Score: 1

    For one, how do you determine what is offensive for children? Hard core sex? any nudity at all? Where would playboy go? Maxium?

    Secondly, once said system is in place, censorship becomes much much easier.

    And lastly, whats to stop a kid from typing in the IP? Renaming the hardcoresex.xxx to myresearch.edu in the hosts file? You don't think kids can figure this out (or be shown how to do it by others)?

    It seems doomed to fail. Why not just sit with your children, and accept the fact that seeing sex, a natural human action, won't destroy them.

  67. hmmm... they're doing it all wrong. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    Thing is, the TLDs should have been broken up a bit further from the beginning. Trouble is, nobody knew how big the Internet was going to be.

    The real problem is that now, there are lots of .coms that should have been other things. Everybody thinks that a web address needs to end in .com. In my opinion, there should be TLDs for each category of thing, and it should take into consideration the fact that the Internet spans the globe.

    Country domain names should be used for the purposes of the governments and official entities of those countries. There should be TLDs for individuals, businesses, various types of devices that need a domain name for themselves, that aren't an individual or a business, and then specialized TLDs for various categories of businesses.

  68. It's about categorizations by cpghost · · Score: 1

    Ask any librarian about categorizations. It's already difficult to group books in good categories. How much more difficult would it be to group everything in meaningful categories? The Hitchhiker's Guide would get it right, but ICANN is not Ursa Minor! Furthermore, categorizations are inherently dynamic: a web site that was in CAT A would be in a few months in CAT Z. And add to this that many sites fit into many categories at the same time. Should they use multiple TLDs?

    The only reasonable model would be to get rid of categories at all and use a flat namespace. Currently, .com/.net/.org, but especially .com (and in some countries their ccTLD) are already playing the role of a flat namespace. Getting rid of ccTLDs and gTLDs in favor of a real flat namespace (10^9 names in the root!) is not such a real big step at all.

    Not that I'm seriously advocating it!

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  69. Too many TLD's == fewer by erice · · Score: 1

    Is there any technical reason why TLDs cannot be created by anyone with the capability?

    Yes, because doing so would collapse the hierarchy. If everone can get a top level domain, then everyone will want one. .com moves up one level and soon the masses will be complaining that it is too hard to get a decent domain name at the root anymore. Only this time, expansion will be impossible.

    It may sound strange, but new TLD's only increase the size of the name space if their supply is limited.

  70. Re:.xxx domain by hackstraw · · Score: 1

    But what is your definition of pornography?

    Porn gets you excited and the probability of you jerking off to it is very high.

    A lot of legitimate art contains nudity, or representations thereof - should art galleries be forced into the .xxx category?

    Beauty is another very abstract thing, but a nude picture (even Playboy style) is not at least in my book porn.

    What about plastic surgery clinic websites with 'before' and 'after' pictures of things such as breast enlargement?

    This too is not for excitement. It is for getting more bucks into the plastic surgeons pocket.

    I'm personally of the opinion that the only person capable of making a judgement about what your kids can and can't see is you

    True, but lets make damn sure that every child never, ever, ever, makes a typo in an URL. Hell, or even you as the parent in front of your child.

    Although this could go way too far to "protect the children". Let me tell you, no child is going to explode or have any other real physical or emotional problem. But its simply awkward, and something that a child simply does not understand. I would image that most all parents still have sex. I have never heard anywhere from anyone where it was customary for parents to have sex in front of their children. Kinda like they don't push calculus or physics on children either. Its just simply not something that they are ready or capable of understanding.

    Hell, I was 19 years old and still did not understand anal sex.

  71. Now Apple's founder can get... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    steve.jobs

  72. Retarded by Patrick+Mannion · · Score: 1
    .jobs, what's this for, a whole bunch of job listings websites?

    .travel, hmmm and is meant for .travel agencies or for tourism boards... ok maybe this one could serve a purpose.

    .xxx is stupid, it serves no point other than pointing out it's smut.

    .asia, why the fuck does Asia need it's own TLD? Is it because there so huge? Or are asian countries domains too overcrowed

    .mail why not just get better spam filters?

    .mobi just points out it's a mobile phone company

    .tel, there's two versions, you expect to type out a number that fucking long? The second, it seems the same, I dunno. Maybe this will serve some use.

    .post, do postal authorites really need there own website, well then again. USPS gets an advantage. So I guess so.

    .cat, why does a language get a domain, what next? .eng, .esp? Also, they could be abused by cat owners.

    These are my opinons, these tlds stink!!! Even the W3 agress! http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/TLD
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  73. .xxx not so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I like .xxx for a few reasons. It makes it easy to regulate. That may not mean much to hackers, but it means a whole lot to non-porn content providers and the guys in Washington. Also, it isn't really bad censorship. You can't say 'fuck' on network TV, why should you complain about not being able to show titties on .com domains? No one complains about having to use HTTP over TCP over IP (unless you're some weird fringe zealot). Why complain about having to use .xxx? Heck, it makes it easier to find your site. You don't have to screw around with tlds anymore, because everyone automatically knows your tld.

    [rant] Freedom is Good, but too much freedom in the wrong places is dumb. Censorship is bad for our culture, but unrestrained vulgarity (in the name of 'free speech', no less) is just as bad. Free speech is about being allowed to petition your government for redress of grievances (without getting executed), not the right to plaster your pasty white ass to a car window. Walking around pissing people off and giving the finger to the government because they can't do anything about it is childish. Have some fucking morals. [/rant]

  74. Because sharing namespaces worked so well for .com by nagora · · Score: 1
    ICANN is run by morons. The legal mess made by squeezing the world's companies into one namespace apparently wasn't enough of a lesson for them. What sort of madness causes people to do this sort of crap?!?

    TWW

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  75. Re:.xxx domain by connah0047 · · Score: 1

    It seems doomed to fail. Why not just sit with your children, and accept the fact that seeing sex, a natural human action, won't destroy them.

    Do you have any children?

  76. youcann.org by Sebby · · Score: 1
    There's also youcann.org; though they've probably got the same information.

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  77. Re:.xxx domain by plague3106 · · Score: 1

    No, and its irrelevent.

    I was a child, I did see hardcore porn, and I turned out just fine.

    Are you suggesting that having children removes any sense of reason and blocks out your own childhood?

  78. Re:.xxx domain by connah0047 · · Score: 1

    No, and its irrelevent.
    Irrelevent? Isn't that a bit like saying:
    "You need to change the oil in a car to keep it running."
    "No I don't!"
    "Do you even own a car?"
    "No, and its irrelevent."

    I think you have to have at least one child before you are qualified to have a reasonable opinion on the matter...or work with kids who have been addicted to porn. Something. ANYTHING.

    I was a child, I did see hardcore porn, and I turned out just fine.
    With all due respect, it depends largely on what you call "fine". I'm sure Osama Bin Laden thinks he's "fine".

    Are you suggesting that having children removes any sense of reason and blocks out your own childhood?
    You're as bad as a woman with these logical leap fallicies. :) I don't even know how to respond to that one. :)

  79. Re:.xxx domain by plague3106 · · Score: 1

    "You need to change the oil in a car to keep it running."
    "No I don't!"
    "Do you even own a car?"
    "No, and its irrelevent."

    Good job there, comparing something that is a proven fact (not chaning oil WILL damage your car) to something not proven (there's not experiment to prove that viewing porn is harmful to children). I suggest you drop the analogies now and stick to the topic at hand.

    I think you have to have at least one child before you are qualified to have a reasonable opinion on the matter...or work with kids who have been addicted to porn. Something. ANYTHING.

    Why? Having BEEN a child myself doesn't qualify me? Growing up with other children with similar expierience disqualifies me?

    Do you now need to be a director to determine if a movie is poorly directed? How about art? I can't tell whats bad art because I'm not a master painter?

    Get over yourself, knocking up a girl doesn't prove you know anything.

    With all due respect, it depends largely on what you call "fine". I'm sure Osama Bin Laden thinks he's "fine".

    Oh of course, I have an opinion different than yours, so I"m terrorist. Get a clue dumbass.

    You're as bad as a woman with these logical leap fallicies. :) I don't even know how to respond to that one. :)

    I'm not the one making logical leap fallicies. You must be a parent to have any clue at all, attempting to link me to a terrorist master mind, or that something which can be scientifically proven is at all analogous to something which is not.

    And it would appear you're sexist as well. Tell me again, who's the one with the problem?