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Serenity Screenings Sell Out

DizzyEllie writes "Last Wednesday, Universal offered fans of Joss Whedon's Serenity the unique opportunity to screen an unfinished version of the movie in ten cities. This was originally intended to pull both fans and non-fans into the fold, but the screenings sold out so quickly (less than a day for all cities to sell-out, but reportably just a few minutes in a couple of locations), it is clear that only the hard-core fanbase will make it in. This seemed to be completely unexpected by Universal, as ads were appearing in newspapers after the sell out, and incentives for the fans to promote the screenings were removed. The screenings will be held in 10 cities on May 5. Serenity: The Official Movie Website" Definitely a unique promo thing. Shows serious stones too- I mean, if the movie sucked, they wouldn't dare do something like this. Hopefully someone will post a review for us on wednesday. And the rest of us suckers have to wait until September. Bah.

275 comments

  1. In other expected news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Sun rose again this morning.

    Seriously, if it were Joss Whedon's "Grocery Store Trip" it'd sell out. He has many fans.

    1. Re:In other expected news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      "Seriously, if it were Joss Whedon's 'Grocery Store Trip' it'd sell out."

      Don't hate. He does good grocery.

    2. Re:In other expected news by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      I fully support his career move to Master Grocer. On the condition that he hires someone else to do the TV commercials, of course.

    3. Re:In other expected news by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for Neil Gaiman's grocery list to come out. Perhaps something of a limited genre, but I'm sure it would be a good story.

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    4. Re:In other expected news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless he showed it at 8 on a Friday night. Then, all those Whedon fans couldn't be bothered to tune in.

    5. Re:In other expected news by Badfysh · · Score: 3, Funny
      "Seriously, if it were Joss Whedon's 'Grocery Store Trip' it'd sell out."

      Wow, when does that come out?

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    6. Re:In other expected news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because they'd already be tucked into bed by their mothers.

    7. Re:In other expected news by mink · · Score: 1

      Just read "A Cantacle for Lebowitz" for hot list action.

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    8. Re:In other expected news by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      A Cantacle for Lebowitz does have something of a cult following. Still, I'd like to see proof of the claim that "Neil Gaiman's grocery list is more interesting than most writers' best work." I look forward to the graphic novel version.

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  2. Joss Whedon....Who??? by smack-pot · · Score: 2

    Just who is this Joss Whedon by the way? I plead ignorance!!! and incidently ignorance is bliss! ;-)

    1. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by dtm789 · · Score: 5, Informative

      He is the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel and apparently the show Firefly which has a huge fan base yet I never even heard of it until it was cancelled and they announced they were making a movie out of it.

    2. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Taladar · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was cancelled almost immediately after airing the first episodes.

    3. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by shimbee · · Score: 1

      Here here. How about a little more context in the body of the post. I have no idea who Joss Whedon is (and after looking him up, I don't really care).

    4. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the show Firefly which has a huge fan bas

      "Loud" probably describes the fan community better than "huge".

      In general, the smaller a fan community gets, the louder its individuals get.

    5. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by purple_cobra · · Score: 1

      (paraphrasing one of the other replies)
      He's the creator of a number of televisual turds; the most popular were turds with fangs, the subject of this story is a turd in a cowboy hat. In spaaaaaaaaace.
      (ObBlindinglyObviousStatement: I am not a fan)

    6. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nah, it's actually pretty good.

      They gave it a Friday night, 8pm slot.
      They seriously under-promoed it.
      Then they showed the episodes out of order.
      Then they pre-empted it several times for baseball.
      Then they decided to pull it.

      And, lest you think this is just fanboy BS:
      They released the DVD set. It reached amazon's top 5(10? something like that) in a matter of days. That's selling like Star Wars.

    7. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Blackneto · · Score: 1

      I actually didn't know who Joss Whedon was till after Firefly came out. wasn't a Buffy fan.

      Seeing Firefly get the treatment from fox like that was criminal.
      I mean they are the station that took a chance on the Tracy Ullman show, MWC and Simpsons.

      sad decline of society i say.

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    8. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Fox's existence (along with all other networks') is the decline of society. The fact that people pine over TV shows called Firefly instead of classic lit is the decline of society. You have it all wrong.

    9. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by rijrunner · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was 1 million pre-orders. It would have been higher, except that was the entire production run.

    10. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by jordand · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was cancelled almost immediately after airing the first episodes.

      ...and yet The Simple Life is still running. Does that seem right to you?

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    11. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Ok, now you answered that question ; What's the obsession with Biffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel here on Slashdot

      I've seen both series once, and can only tell that it hangs together from generic storywriting ; With yer occasional chick-glimpse.

    12. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by J.+J.+Ramsey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another problem was that the first couple episodes were a little off. The pacing was slow, and the tension wasn't *quite* right. They weren't that bad, but a certain "oomph" was missing. The episodes that came along after they rejiggered the intro were much better. I think what happened it that someone cracked a whip and got the writers to give their 100%.

      Unfortunately, those who formed their opinion of the whole series from those first couple episodes probably got turned off by it.

    13. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The popularity has to do much more with portrayal than with plot. The secret to Buffy's success above all was the presence of kick-ass women who were strong yet sensitive, filling a void which has existed in movies and TV for a long time. There's a pattern, too - how do you think Xena did so well? It certainly wasn't because of outstanding acting, directing, or writing. It was because of strong, confident female archetypes who didn't need to be pushed to the edge to show their bad-ass side.

      (And the popularity of Angel was a byproduct of Buffy from fans who were hooked on the characters. And Eliza Dushku.)

      I didn't particularly care for any of these series either, but I do appreciate the void that needs to be filled. I can only imagine how popular a show which was better written would be if it filled the same void.

      *m*

    14. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by fugu13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, very nice with the Jubal Early reference. (for those non-shiny people reading, Jubal Early is a particularly interesting empathic bounty hunter who appeared on firefly, and liked making observations that end in "Does that seem right to you?") IOW, mod this guy up funny even more.

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    15. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by rijrunner · · Score: 1

      Which first couple episodes?

      The first two aired were the last ones written after Fox gave its feedback as to what they wanted. The others were written *without* Fox direction.

      ie, if the shows that aired were the bad ones, then it really goes down to Fox. The first episode aired was a rewrite of the pilot as Fox wanted a different type of story to lead off the series. One that showed that the team was good-hearted at their core.. The worst episode was the one where someone cracked a whip

    16. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by jfengel · · Score: 2, Informative

      At their best, Buffy and Angel were filled with smart, funny writing. The shows presented interesting challenges: they could be funny, sad, scary, and romantic by turns, between episodes and within episodes. The performances were often quirky and interesting, and they liked to take chances: one episode of Buffy was done as a musical, another as a silent movie.

      They did long story arcs. Not quite as long as on Babylon 5, but long enough to make each episode potentially fun to watch both on its own and as part of a contribution to a bigger story. For those who like such things, cool fight scenes and scary monster special effects. And it had a smart, independent but deeply flawed heroine who really could be a good role model for girls.

      That's at their best, which was usually when Joss was in the driver's seat. They didn't always achieve that. Sometimes they'd be stupid. Sometimes the acting was terrible. Too often, they were just so-so: not bad as part of a longer story arc but not enough to make somebody dropping in for a single episode care very much.

      As much as Joss loved his actors, and they do seem to be good people, most of them simply weren't very talented. But they were game to try whatever he threw at them, and that was often good enough for me.

      So it's a little hard for me to say, "Here, see episode X and you'll understand." I'd say that too much of the first three seans of Angel were simply lame, and yet it got interesting just in time to get cancelled. Buffy was pretty hit-and-miss as well. I'd say that if you got friends to loan you the first couple of seasons of Buffy you might enjoy them.

      That said, if you really want it boiled down to a single episode, try "Once More With Feeling", the famous musical episode. It's hardly representative, but it gives you a good view of the things that they were trying to accomplish on the show. It's late in the series, and there's a good deal of background it would take to know everything that's going on, but it might hook you.

      Firefly, in my opinion, represented the best of Joss' work, with significantly better actors.

    17. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Hey, geniuses!! A couple of hundred thousand freeloaders that think that spending money is evil are not a market force to be reconned with.

      Just because the average /. user is big on OSS (and music piracy) doesn't mean they think spending money is evil. While I'm sure there is much in the way of free hardware out there, for the most part a good deal of money is spent by Slashdot fanboys on:

      1. Media
      a. paper
      b. CD / DVD
      c. toner / ink
      2. Hardware
      a. Monitor
      b. Motherboard/cpu
      c. Memory
      d. Storage
      3. Snack food - Beverages - take out

      Not Compaq nor Dell's demographic... but defintely Verbatim, HP, CDW, Pringles, and Starbucks's demographic. Let's face it, a self builder is going to spend more money on their PC than your average Dell buyer. A/V pirates and OSS users alike spend a good deal on blank media, cases, and paper.

      So what you are saying is the slashdot fanboy crowd needs to get organized and prove they are a market demographic and actively lobby for programing they enjoy? This would be wonderful.

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    18. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by steve_bryan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Firefly was so badly mishandled by FOX that I'd like to add at least one more piece of information for those who are not familiar with it. When you hear mainly that it is from the creator of Buffy and Angel you might get the idea that you would only be interested if you enjoyed one of those. I've tried watching both of those series off and on but without success.

      I only bothered to do so because having seen Firefly in the intended order from the DVD's I'm sold on the idea that it is the best sci fi series ever made for TV. I can't say I have a similar opinion of Mr Whedon's other series but Firefly has such superior writing and characters that I can't imagine even trying to make a comparison to the other franchises that I enjoy but do not admire nearly as much.

      If you haven't seen the series or only saw a few confusingly presented episodes from the FOX debacle (boy I hope some of the morons responsible for that were fired) rent the episodes in order from your local video store or NetFlix. I'm not saying I can't imagine a better series but when compared to its peers, Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, Babylon 5, ... it comes out far ahead.

    19. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Funny that you didn't hear about it at the time. It was much anticipated here on Slashdot. I'm sure there were ads for it during Buffy, if you watched it.

      But if you weren't on Slashdot, it's easy to see how you could have missed it. It was put in a poor time slot, and moved around a lot, and it was cancelled mid-season.

    20. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Shky · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wouldn't Friday night be a good night for Sci-Fi? While everyone else is out at parties the sci-fi nerds weren't invited to, they'll be sitting at home watching TV. It seems ideal to me.

      (Just kidding, not trolling)

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    21. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by rmccann · · Score: 1

      Well the actual 'first' episodes (Serenity pt 1 & 2) were shown last. After that it was canceled. So yes, it was canceled after the first episodes.

    22. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by modecx · · Score: 1

      Quote some unimportant rube not unlike yourself at some point in not too recent history:

      "Dickens's existence (along with other new-fangled writers') is the decline of society. The fact that people pine over Books called "Robinson Crusoe" instead of cave paintings is the decline of society! You have it all wrong!"

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    23. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by MayonakaHa · · Score: 1

      You're right. Classic lit is the answer to life, the universe, and everything! How dare those upstarts try to create new stories that capture hearts and get people to think! Not everything on television is The Simple Life 7: Paris Goes Grocery Shopping or Star Trek: Flogging the Dead Horse (I love good Trek but yeesh, someome shoot these people). I love to read classic and new lit, listen to good music, and I'm a musician. While I think 95% of the stuff on TV is crap, I can tell what the good stuff is and tend to watch just that thanks to my TiVo. Have you even seen a good episode of Firefly? Go download the pilot episode also called Serenity and get back to me.

    24. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've just never been interested in any of the stuff Whedon's done. I gave Buffy a few chances, I watched 3 or so episodes of Firefly, I flipped through his isses of Amazing X-Men. I just don't get him. Of course that doesn't mean anything is wrong with people who do like him, but I just don't understand it and it seems so very unremarkable.

      I mean all the things people mention about his work were also done by Xena, which I thought was a much better show than Buffy (and which had TWO musical episodes before the much talked about musical Buffy episode even aired!), and yet who even knows who created or wrote for that show?

      Of course I can't understand why anyone watches baseball either, so what do I know?

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    25. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Let's face it, a self builder is going to spend more money on their PC than your average Dell buyer.

      I don't know about that - the more ignorant you are, the more you succumb to marketing. This morning I put together a 300MHz 64MB desktop system for someone who needed e-mail, web and minimal word-processing. Total cost: £30. And I could have got it down further but at some point, my time becomes more valuable than my money.

      On topic - I hope this show was better than Buffy -couldn't stand it (or her).

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    26. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Cerberus911 · · Score: 1

      It was sheer stupidity cancelling Angel. They didn't even give them a season to figure out what their role at Wolfram&Hart was, instead for the secong half od season 5 they had to put in all the material that was planned for season 6(The actual end of the series).

    27. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by seasleepy · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's actually a bit more impressive than that even as far as the DVD sales go.

      One of the fansites has an Amazon tracker. From it, we get:
      -- The show sold out of preorders on Amazon in three days in July 2003, never falling out of the top ten the whole time.
      -- When it came available again in September, it went straight to number 1.
      -- Excepting two days, it didn't fall out of the top 100 through the next July.
      -- It's never been below 400 in the rankings.

      Not bad for a show which only got half a season.

    28. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by jest3r · · Score: 1

      I am a fan of the series myself, however I know a few hardcore sci-fi fans who don't like the show because of the "antique" weapons, shotguns, double action revolvers etc . These are the same people who dislike "Aliens" because of the non-so-futuristic weaponry and despise the wild-west holodeck stories from TNG, and any other meshing of future with the past. Unfortunately these hardcore sci-fi'ers seem to have great influence over the fate of todays sci-fi.

    29. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me likey boobies.

      *drooool*

      I would sooo bang paris.

    30. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They gave it a Friday night, 8pm slot.
      They seriously under-promoed it.
      Then they showed the episodes out of order.
      Then they pre-empted it several times for baseball.
      Then they decided to pull it."


      And nobody fucking watched!

    31. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fox would never cancel a good show. Family Guy, Futurama, Andy Richter Controls the Universe were cancelled so that X-files could run WAY past it's prime. Or maybe to make room for "reality TV."

    32. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and they cancelled my fav show, Dark Angel, to air this POS show! Damn you Firewhaev fans (show not browser)! I miss Dark Angel!!!

    33. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Xena had the advantage of having an actual singer in the leading role. As a singer, Sarah Michelle Gellar is very pretty.

      Joss isn't for everybody. You're not the first one to say that to me. As you say, different tastes.

      But thanks for the inspiration. I just finished watching Buffy and Angel on DVD (I don't have cable and over-the-air reception is terrible at my house.) I've watched the with my gf over the past several years, and we've been looking for something else to watch. Xena is a good choice. I missed it on TV, and having a DVD with reasonable entertainment chunked into 40-minute units is incredibly convenient.

      I don't like everything Sam Raimi has done (yes, I know who was responsible for the series) but it's worth a try.

    34. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Serenity hasn't been shown yet. I don't think they plan on doing more than one movie either.

    35. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is you wrote that in an almost Joss Whedon-esque style. I could almost hear Spike delivering those lines as I read it.

    36. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I can only imagine how popular a show which was better written would be if it filled the same void."

      The reason Buffy was so popular WAS the writing. They actually have college classes taught soley on Buffy, not kidding. No, the writing wasn't ALWAYS great because no one is at 100% all of the time, but the show had greate writing and the scripts were taliored to the actors to make it seem all the more believable.

    37. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are high... how can you say a series which presents futuristic livestock workers riding *horses* is the best in sci fi.
      This doesn't ruin the series for me, but scifi is generally supposed to include theoretical possible extensions of our current reality into the future.
      With no attempt at explanations, firefly is more like fantasy than scifi...
      Certainly there are inconsistencies in all sci fi, but there is generally an attempt made to explain them.... lame or otherwise.

    38. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that - the more ignorant you are, the more you succumb to marketing. This morning I put together a 300MHz 64MB desktop system for someone who needed e-mail, web and minimal word-processing. Total cost: £30. And I could have got it down further but at some point, my time becomes more valuable than my money

      The question is... how did you spend on your system? More or less than a £180.00-£200.00 Dell?

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    39. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Rei · · Score: 1

      And if you want a glimpse of what the dialog is like, check out the Firefly fortune mod.

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    40. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Jack+Auf · · Score: 1

      Best laugh I've all week. Thanks.

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    41. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by PlancksCnst · · Score: 1

      They do explain how they get the wild west in the midst of this future time... Earth is very advanced, other planets were more recently settled than Earth. The farther the planet is from Earth, the more recently it was settled. Joss showed this by having the "outer planets" be a bit untamed. Also, being farther away from Earth means being farther away from the government and police, so that's where the bad guys tend to be.

    42. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and if it was a good show, it would still be on. jebus, get some taste and read a book. tv is crap.

    43. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by bnenning · · Score: 1

      and yet The Simple Life is still running. Does that seem right to you?

      Sadly, as I said here under the current economics of TV it is "right".

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    44. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Well, if you want to talk about doing a musical within a non-musical series you can go back at least as far as "Moonlighting". It's not as if Xena was breaking any new ground there.

      I really enjoyed watching Xena, but it's really not in the same class as Buffy or Angel.

    45. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      The question is... how did you spend on your system? More or less than a £180.00-£200.00 Dell?

      Hah! Well, certainly not a Dell. For a start, as Linux user I want to avoid the Microsoft tax and last time I checked the only home user systems they were selling had this already installed. Also, I like AMD. Not sure where you got the £200 figure for a new Dell from, however.

      As you're curious, I managed up until the end of last year with an old 400MHz desktop 2nd hand. I've spent most of my career so far as a C++ programmer (telecoms and device drivers) - I offer that up as a contrast to my lack of need for the latest and greatest hardware. Late last December however, I caved in and bought a 2.0GHz Semperon with accompanying motherboard and RAM. Can't remember the exact figure but it was something like £150 all together. The casing, monitor etc are all what was lying around. Anyway, it all comes out much cheaper than PC World and running Debian it is more than adequate for my needs. However, I am not a gamer so factor that in if you like. I'm sure there are plenty of self-builders out there who do spend a fortune on their PCs, but hopefully they're the people who have a need for it. The rest of the word-processing and web-surfing people out there are being robbed blind. (Except for bragging rights).

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    46. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ignorance is bliss, but 'tis folly to be wise."

    47. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't X-Files do pretty well on Friday nights?

    48. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it didn't suck at all. Good writing, acting and production. Maybe you should download at least one episode and check out something you plan to bash BEFORE bashing it. It was how the show was handled after it was ready to air that killed it (I mean, at least show the episodes in the correct story order for fucks sake).

    49. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, a kindred soul. Personally, I'd rather watch ANYTHING than Buffy or Angel. Yes, I'd take Enterprise any day over that. In fact, I'd rather turn off the tv than have to watch either of those shows. Just say no.

    50. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of anyone who disliked Aliens because of the low-tech weaponry involved, and you know, maybe people dislike holodeck stories because they are an incredibly lazy hook to hang an episode on. As for "great influence" of "hardcore sci-fi'ers", can you give some examples?

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    51. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      I've never been interested in Buffy or Angel either, despite most of my friends raving about them. And Alien 4 sucked majorly (as an Alien film anyway, it might not have been so bad as a stand-alone). But I love Firefly - the characters and dialogue are very engaging and well-written, the actors well-cast, there's a good sense of humour, as well as an endearing disregard for both genre and tv conventions/cliches. But, well, I just like it, is all. YMMV and clearly does.

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    52. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. The pilot episode was also titled "Serenity".
      2. Alan Tudyk is quoted in an interview saying that they signed a multi-movie deal.

    53. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Not sure where you got the £200 figure for a new Dell from, however.

      Ummm, xe currency conversion And Dell A new Dell starts under USD $400 depending on the season. At present the base PC with monitor and printer is $299 + $100 shipping +$30 tax... so today £225.00. Sometimes shipping is free, sometimes it's not. Sometimes rebates sometimes not.

      Late last December however, I caved in and bought a 2.0GHz Semperon with accompanying motherboard and RAM. ... something like £150 all together

      My point exactly. The text book slashdot fanboy (pardon the term) is far more likely to spend £150 on an upgrade than £225 on a new base machine. So getting someone like Dell to sponsor a slashdot fanboy show (pardon the term) would be silly. But someone like intel, AMD, HP, or Asus would be more likely to sponsor a show who's audience fits into their demographic. Like your self they spend money, just not on pre-packaged solutions.

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    54. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      Not sure that suggesting, hey, try a musical! to a bunch of geeks is a good plan?

    55. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      right, fun show, but the writing etc. is not as good (probably not intended to be though!)

    56. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Heh. That's one of my favorite bits of the show, how they use slug-throwers in space. :) Adds to the charm.

    57. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and it was pretty much the one show in history that did.

    58. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      It's hard to watch a show when you dont know when the hell it's going to be on, yanno.

    59. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Well, I've just followed your link and compared Dell prices in the UK and the USA. It's shocking how cheap you have everything over there. A Dell desktop that goes for $499 over there is sold here for £409. Check it yourself, it's hard to believe.

      So, argument to me I think, and irritatingly cheap computers to you. :(

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    60. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      My point exactly. The text book slashdot fanboy (pardon the term) is far more likely to spend £150 on an upgrade than £225 on a new base machine.

      Actually, just re-read your post and that was my original point. Have we been agreeing with each other all along?

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    61. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      ...and yet The Simple Life is still running. Does that seem right to you?

      Yes, it does. The Simple Life makes money. Hard to say whether that's because it's cheaper to make, has more viewers or both, but it makes money so they keep showing it.

      Simple, eh?

      TW

    62. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Well, I've just followed your link and compared Dell prices in the UK and the USA. It's shocking how cheap you have everything over there. A Dell desktop that goes for $499 over there is sold here for £409. Check it yourself, it's hard to believe.

      Because the US site doesn't include the cost of delivery, nor tax if applicable (states where dell has a point of presence are required to pay the local tax). You are still paying more, about double in tax, and another £50 as this week. When looking at the US dell site, add +$100 and about 5% to 10% to the price you see.

      I just checked the UK site and the Dimension 2400 base system (D05245) [Evalue 305 - D05245]is £299.00 shipped in the UK, £205.47 before VAT and shipping. The US edition is £227.53 shipped taxed, £157.13 before. So the £48.34 more you would spend is just slightly above the 20% (-£39.37) sale Dell has going on. No free printer in the UK today, which is basically a Lexmark with keyed carts that you must buy from Dell unless you cut your printer in the right way.

      But for the most part we are in total agreement, neither you nor I nor that hard core gamer would likely buy a Dell or other pre-packaged system. A typical home user may. I would argue that your typical home user isn't getting the shaft buying a new PC if their current one requires service, which happens often enough due to Windows screwing up, misc software conflicts, spyware/virus infection, or just users screwing up. While that £200.00 PC (£300.00 shipped/vatted) might cost a tad more than service, it will be newer and faster.

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    63. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1
      Thanks for your extensive answer.

      I guess my first judgement might have been drawn a bit too early, allthough I doubt if I would ever like such series (imo, it's too much a soap with added SF/horror elements).

    64. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      "Soap with SF/Horror" is actually a pretty good description. Well, it depends on what you mean by "soap"; it's not like a daytime soap which focus primarily on romantic angles. They do exist on Buffy, but they're usually a sub-plot. Still, it's similarly character-based, and it works only if you like the characters and want to find out what happens to them.

      If the three episodes you saw were average episodes, then you've probably seen all you need to see. It wouldn't hurt to watch them from the beginning, to get into the characters, but that's a lot of time to invest.

      Of course it could be like me and X-Files, where every time I caught an episode people would tell me, "No, no, that's was a bad one. You've got to see Episode ZZ," or something like that. Me, I just don't care much for horror, which seemed to be the focus of the show, so I just gave up.

      Still, I stuck with Babylon 5, mostly because somebody loaned me the DVDs and it was worth watching when there was nothing else available. Several seasons in it became... watchable

      So it depends on your time. If you're looking to kill 40 minutes at a shot, and don't mind renting or borrowing from friends (I just stick it on my Netflix queue), Buffy isn't a total waste of time. But if you're just looking at it to say, "Hey, all my friends like it, therefore I must find a way to cram it into my schedule," life's just too short for that.

      Actually, Firefly is a much better series. Better acted, better writing (mostly), a bit more mature outlook, far less cheesy fighting. And it's closed-ended: you can watch the whole damn thing in one weekend if you're lying in bed sick (as a friend of mine did.) Fewer clunker episodes than Buffy, too. Watch it from the beginning, though it only really gets going about 6 episodes in.

      Some people thought the Western-in-space premise was just stupid, and I'm not gonna tell them they're wrong. I found it interesting, and I'm not a huge fan of Westerns. It's also more episodic, which makes it a bit less soap-opera-esque than Buffy or Angel. If you don't go for it after the first DVD, it's not gonna happen. Go outside instead; it's spring here in the northern hemisphere.

    65. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      You know what the problem with Alien 4 was? It was a departure from the dark. The aliens were brought to life in bright, gaily lit ways, removed some of the ambience! The scenes in Alens I best remember and still shudder at to this day: The showdown in the command center on LB456 where Hudson gets his ticket punched, and the final battle on the starship in orbit.

      Alien 4 was just grotesque in it's treatment of the Aliens as care-bear like creatures. :-/

      Just my humble opinion.

      Oh, and the cliche talking computer certainly didn't help much.

    66. Re:Joss Whedon....Who??? by Aumaden · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's all fun until the artificial gravity gives out. Then you want the energy weapons without any recoil.

  3. If the movied sucked... by alexandre · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    They would still dare to do something like this...
    Matrix anyone? :P

    1. Re:If the movied sucked... by angrist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the movie sucks, then this is early enough that they can change it.

    2. Re:If the movied sucked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true - The article poster assumes that a Hollywood executive is capable of telling whether the movie sucks or not.

      Sadly, there is far more evidence to the contrary.

  4. Common practice by Aneurysm9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's fairly common for studios to show workprints to test audiences during the editing phase to get a sense for what works and what doesn't. I'm not so sure what makes this any different.

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    1. Re:Common practice by NOLAChief · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they usually carefully select their test audiences according to some expected demographic numbers or something? Since this was openly advertised, it smacks more of a promo/viral marketing campaign than a test screening. They'll probably make the people walking into the theater sign an NDA as a token CYA, but you know the first thing some lucky/evil /.er who went to see it is going to do is come on here and post as many spoilers as he can, getting the rest of us riled up and creating (hopefully) a 5 month long buzz that'll get a bunch of people in the theater come 9-30.

    2. Re:Common practice by rijrunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is very unusual to show to a general purchasing audience. Usually test audiences are culled from standard test groups and are targetted demographics. They will be doing that also.

      I suspect that this is a new interesting marketting attempt. They get paid to show the movie in advance to a small group. That will raise interest in the film and awareness a bit. It is not even free marketting as the fanbase will pay for this. I seem to recall a couple other instances of this sort of thing, but they are rare.

      I seriously doubt they would do this if they did not think they had something though. A lot of the flamebait on here is blathering about the fanboy base and *nobody* flames a franchise more than an upset fanboy.

      A test audience signs non-disclosure agreements. They *want* people to talk about this. Not quite viral marketting, but they definately think that word-of-mouth will sell this. Since their dvd sales were pretty much all word-of-mouth and sold about 5 million set to date, there is a certain logic to that.

    3. Re:Common practice by jordand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My understanding is that the test screenings have already occurred. The forthcoming screenings I would imagine are basically a bone that Universal is throwing to the fans, since the movie was supposed to be released already. (It was pushed back to September, apparently so it wouldn't be swamped by some other prominent sci-fi releases.)

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    4. Re:Common practice by HarryCaul · · Score: 1


      Well...

      Usually the test audiences are culled from random people at malls in the San Fernando Valley, usually by the sophisticated technique of "Hey, wanna see a free movie Tuesday night?"

      I think the targeted demo and so on is a myth. It's mostly a lot of industry wannabes (who, of course, live in the Valley) telling industry are-right-nows what's wrong with their movies.

      Keep that in mind, and a lot of decisions made based on test screenings make a lot more sense.

    5. Re:Common practice by rijrunner · · Score: 1

      No. Those are not random. The people go out with a checklist. X number of a certain type of person to see a movie.

      The source of the people is somewhat random. But, not the composition of the people.

    6. Re:Common practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The source of the people is somewhat random. But, not the composition of the people.

      Indeed. Randomly composed people don't tend to survive long after birth ;)

    7. Re:Common practice by donutello · · Score: 1

      I've watched movies in LA, where the tickets were half-price or free (I don't remember too well) and at the end you had to fill out a short survey about the movie. They show the same movie with alternate endings or other plot twists and based on the audience feedback, decide what to go with. This is really not unusual - maybe they did a better job of publicising it and expanded it to more cities.

      Have you seen the movie ads where they say at the end "Now playing in New York and LA. Showing everywhere starting "? That's the same thing.

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    8. Re:Common practice by HarryCaul · · Score: 1


      The composition of the groups is no more accurate that exit polling data (and you have only to look at the 2004 election to see how accurate that is).

      If you put some kid on the street with a clipboard, pay him 8 bucks an hour, and tell him to get x number of people, he'll get x number of people.

      Beyond that, they're gonna cut corners and take whatever "type" comes along.

      It's a nice system in theory, but it's not the way it works at ground level.

    9. Re:Common practice by georgewilliamherbert · · Score: 1
      No. Those are not random. The people go out with a checklist. X number of a certain type of person to see a movie.
      There was no checklist or other organization in evidence when my wife and I got to see a free screening of an early cut of The Incredibles a while ago.

      They did identify some key focus group people in the theatre before it started, and had them come down and talk for a lot longer with some market research people. The rest of us, they just asked us to fill out a front/back of 1 page survey.

  5. Great trailer by fsck! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was skeptical that this would ever really happen. Having seen the trailer, I'm very glad I was wrong. It's been a while since I've rewatched the DVD so I don't remember some of the characters names, but these clips from the trailer were hilarious, and a kind of humor sadly absent from most movies:

    pilot: (flying into a battle) This is about to get interesting.
    captiain: Define "interesting."
    pilot: "Interesting: Oh God, oh God, we're all going to die?"

    bad guy: This destruction, this is your fault.
    pilot: No, *I* don't murder children.
    bad guy: [smiling] Oh, well I do.

    1. Re:Great trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      bad guy: This destruction, this is your fault.
      pilot: No, *I* don't murder children.
      bad guy: [smiling] Oh, well I do.

      Uh .. ha ha ... ha?

      *whimpering*

    2. Re:Great trailer by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Informative

      Character Names:

      Captain: Mal(Malcom) (Former rebel. Wants to nail the space hooker)
      Pilot: Wash
      Engineer: Kaylee
      Space Hooker: Inara
      Stupid Muscle: Jayne
      Female Muscle: Zoe (Wash's Wife, served with Mal in the revolution)
      Doctor: Simon (River's Brother)
      Preacher: Book
      Psycho Chick: River

    3. Re:Great trailer by NOLAChief · · Score: 4, Funny
      I was rather fond of:

      Bad Guy: I want to work this out like civilized men. I'm not threatening you. I'm unarmed.

      Mal: Good. *BLAM*

    4. Re:Great trailer by NOLAChief · · Score: 2, Informative
      Let's clarify things a little more:

      Mal: Wants to nail Inara. Too much pride to admit it.

      Wash: Ecstatic he gets to nail Zoe.

      Kaylee: Wants to nail Simon. Annoyed he won't admit he wants her too.

      Inara: Wants to nail Mal. Too "professional" to admit it.

      Jayne: Wants to nail anything with boobs.

      Zoe: Nails Wash regularly. May have nailed Mal in the past. Backstory hazy.

      Simon: Wants to nail Kaylee. Too shy to admit it.

      Book: Doesn't appear interested in nailing anybody.

      River: Off in her own little world, so who knows?

    5. Re:Great trailer by Gudlyf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Or, before George Lucas got hold of the movie:

      Bad Guy: I want to work this out like civilized men. I'm not...
      Mal: Good. *BLAM*
      Bad Guy: ...threaten...uh...

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    6. Re:Great trailer by TheoMurpse · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, once Lucas got a hold of the movie, it would be:
      Bad Guy: I want to work this out like civilized men. I'm not [SHOOTS FIRST]
      Mal: Damn you Lucas!!

    7. Re:Great trailer by jnik · · Score: 5, Funny
      Kaylee: Wants to nail Simon. Annoyed he won't admit he wants her too.

      More importantly:
      Every male Firefly fan: Wants to nail Kaylee. Thinks Simon is an idiot for not going for it.

      Jewel Staite broke my "never attracted to anyone younger than my little sister" rule. Apparently Joss had her put some meat on for Firefly; she looks great.

    8. Re:Great trailer by Saeger · · Score: 1
      Obviously the villian isn't going to die like that, so there's only a couple possibilities as to what happens to him at that point:
      1. Captain only wounds him so he can extract more info while he writhes in pain.
      2. The Captain's ammo has been replaced with blanks.
      3. The evil dude had some kind of... Goa'uld shield technology to protect him.
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    9. Re:Great trailer by NOLAChief · · Score: 1
      +1, True.

      I wasn't gonna say anything potentially incriminating 2 weeks before my wedding though.... :)

    10. Re:Great trailer by NOLAChief · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First time you watch "Serenity" (TV pilot), you expect Mal to have a tense confrontation with the Alliance agent holding River hostage.

      First time you watch "The Train Job", you expect Mal to wind up with Niska's tattooed goon as a continual nemesis.

      He kills them both in cold (OK, they were bad guys, lukewarm) blood. It is entirely possible that's how that bad guy dies, not that him dying will be the end of the story since I guarantee he isn't the only bad guy.

      That said, you're probably right, at least with point 1. The lack of kneecaps can be an effective interrogation tool.

    11. Re:Great trailer by ticklejw · · Score: 2, Funny

      Zoe: Preacher, don't the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing?
      Book: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzy around the subject of kneecaps.

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    12. Re:Great trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Woo! Three cheers for cliched hot chicks with dark secrets and KUNG-FU POWERS! It's so original because there's kind of some Chinese stuff going on and also because it gives me a massive boner.

      Let's all go together and jerk off.

    13. Re:Great trailer by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1
      And Inara. Both of 'em are...something else, in very different ways. Joss does tend to know how to cast his shows (e.g. early seasons Willow).

      On another subject, anyone laying odds of Firefly returning to the small screen of the film does well?

    14. Re:Great trailer by hobit · · Score: 1

      Anyone know if Book is in the movie?

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    15. Re:Great trailer by Basehart · · Score: 1

      All I got from the exchanges was:

      bad guy: Variations on "I'm gonna kick your ass"
      good guy: slick answer

      I'm hoping the good guy makes it look like he has to think about these one line perfectly structured responses every once in a while.

    16. Re:Great trailer by dorsey · · Score: 1

      anyone laying odds of Firefly returning to the small screen of the film does well?

      I'd say they're exactly the same as the odds that FOX will suddenly have totally new management.

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    17. Re:Great trailer by Dionysus · · Score: 1

      On another subject, anyone laying odds of Firefly returning to the small screen of the film does well?

      Apparently, Universal got a three picture deal from Fox. As in, if the movie does well, Universal can make two more movies before Fox gets the property back. So don't expect it going back to the small screen for awhile.

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    18. Re:Great trailer by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Zoe: Nails Wash regularly.

      She's a hermaphrodite then? Or does she use a strapon?

    19. Re:Great trailer by fsck! · · Score: 1

      I guess there are Joss Whedon followers and then there's everyone else. There's a certain feel to the exchanges that makes these Good in some inexplicable way. These characters are a lot more complex than a movie trailer can really present. Ambiguity, innocence, growth, everything TV doesn't get a lot of. I've seen every episode plus the pilot twice so I can say with authority that there's more in Joss's vision of the future than slick one liners.

      If you appreciated Toy Story, Alien 4, Rosanne, or anything else (not to mention Buffy and Angel) he's written, you'll probably end up enjoying Serenity.

    20. Re:Great trailer by yotto · · Score: 1

      He is. View the triler again, and when Jayne's holding someone upside down, ready to drop the dude on his head, check the background. One of the two guys standing back there is Book.

    21. Re:Great trailer by hobit · · Score: 1

      Does look like it!

      Cool.

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    22. Re:Great trailer by AJWM · · Score: 2, Informative

      You left out the third possibility: the two (camera) shots were edited together like that just for the trailer, but in the movie there's more going on between those two shots.

      It's not uncommon to splice together stuff for a trailer that never happens that way in the movie (or TV episode).

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    23. Re:Great trailer by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that he's a weapon from the same project (or a similar one) that River was ... so the bullet may not phase him.

      Personally, though, I'm rooting for point number one of your list. :)

    24. Re:Great trailer by TheRagingTowel · · Score: 1

      Actually, watching the series this is quite a typical behaviour for Mal...
      If you remember, there was an episode when someone who Mal wants to let free tells him he'll hunt him down. So Mal just shoves him into the ship's turbine. Quite hilarious.

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    25. Re:Great trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Three cheers for cliched hot chicks with dark secrets and KUNG-FU POWERS!

      You realize Kaylee is the sweet, mild-mannered engineer who dresses badly and likes cutesy knicknacks, not the kung-fu chick, right? The kung-fu chick (who is an interesting study of mental illness and about as sexy as a rock) is actually Simon's sister.

      I really hope they don't get together.

    26. Re:Great trailer by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      If those three movies are successful, it might make Fox eager to order new seasons...

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    27. Re:Great trailer by Brian_Confucius · · Score: 1

      Could be. I doesn't look too much like him and he's not wearing Shepard Book clothes.

    28. Re:Great trailer by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 2, Insightful


      If those three movies are successful, it might make Fox eager to order new seasons...


      If the three movies are successful, the stars involved will have become "movie stars" and would be unlikely to agree to go back to doing a TV show. Granted, there are cases where "movie stars" have gone back and done TV, but they are few and far between (good luck getting the whole cast back) and usually don't happen until the "movie star" has had a string of high profile movie flops.

      So, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'll eat my hat if Firefly makes it back to tv as a regular series.

    29. Re:Great trailer by TexNex · · Score: 1

      Whats really interesting is that more people want to nail Kaylee rather than Inara. Is this the "geek" mentality overriding the physical beauty or is it that we love and adore the innocence that Kaylee represents. I for one wouldn't throw Inara aout of my bed but, I'd much rather have River or Kaylee on a long term basis. As a side note: My hats off to the man who married Jewel (the actress who plays Kaylee)...lucky SOB.

    30. Re:Great trailer by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      Granted, there are cases where "movie stars" have gone back and done TV, but they are few and far between -- or after they are 40?

    31. Re:Great trailer by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Maybe we finally find out who he really is!

      My money is on high-ranking Alliance intelligence agent.

    32. Re:Great trailer by Deven · · Score: 1

      I'd say they're exactly the same as the odds that FOX will suddenly have totally new management.

      Never say never. After all, Family Guy just returned to FOX. They finally came to their senses on that one, why not for Firefly? (Okay, it's still a long shot...)

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    33. Re:Great trailer by AaronStJ · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a geek who wants to nail Kaylee, I think it has a lot to do with innocence and general personality of Kaylee. I think a lot of people tend to take cute over hot as well, I know I do.

      I think it's telling that I like Kaylee, but have no interest in Jewel. Same thing with Willow/Allison. It has as much or more to do with good writing and attractive characters than it has to do with the looks of the actress.

      Alo, Inara is probably the worst actor on firefly, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.

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    34. Re:Great trailer by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      EVERYONE is back for the movie. All the main characters anyway. This was a big deal for Whedon & the Franchise.

      Something only Star-Trek seems to have been able to pull off.

    35. Re:Great trailer by wavedeform · · Score: 1

      The trailer and the rough cut are the same on this.

    36. Re:Great trailer by dwaggie · · Score: 1

      I was actually at the screening for Firefly in Austin, and I figure I'd throw this in there: Nathan Fillion (Malcolm) and Ron Glass (Book) were there, and they said there would most likely never be another TV series. Movies are far more lucrative, first of all, and they would -have- to go through Fox again. Nothing, I think, will make Joss want to work Firefly through Fox.

      Well, maybe a pile of money or something.

  6. Links for the unitiated by GregoryKJohnson · · Score: 3, Informative
  7. This isn't news by pcgamez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Take any movie of any size and have screenings in 10 cities. It WILL sell out. With ~300M people and lets say 1000 seats, it is not hard to find a few people excited to see it.

    1. Re:This isn't news by johnpaul191 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i think the point was that it sold out before the ads were even out. it spread by word of mouth, or online. not shocking to us, but the fact that there were so many people that watched the show (or the DVDs) that still were keeping up to the minute with news.

      makes you wonder how the show failed so fast. was it because it was on friday nights, or because it was shown out of sequence (the pilot being shown last) or is the TV rating system flawed enough that they may miss a whole demographic of people that use VCRs/TiVo to catch shows.

    2. Re:This isn't news by 9Nails · · Score: 1

      Close... I took my son to see "Millions" - a charming English movie about a boy who believed that Devine intervention blessed him with a bag full of pounds and he only has a few days to give it to the poor before the Euro renders the cash obsolete. That movie was a new release from what I know, no ad's that I'm aware of, and the theater was in San Diego. A city with millions of populous. However, despite being a good movie there was only 20-something people in attendance in a theater that could hold hundreds. Far from a sell out. And of that total in attendance was one large family from child to grand parent.

    3. Re:This isn't news by pennyher0 · · Score: 1

      But will it sell out in half an hour?

      I'm guessing no.

      I worked in a theater when the Matrix had their pre-view screenings the midnight before openning night, and they didn't sell out. They came close, but we still had tickets available the night it was playing and fans weren't threatening the box offices for tickets (Joss posted a dissapointed post about "certain fans" who behaved badly over the tickets).

      I worked in a decent sized town at that time too. A suburb of Portland, OR.

    4. Re:This isn't news by scool · · Score: 1

      What makes it news is the vote of confidence in the film by the studio. There have been previous test screenings of the movie that were very popular with pre-existing fans of the show. I suspect that those reviews gave the producers enough confidence to try seeding buzz about the film by allowing sneak peaks a couple months before the release date. If the movie sucked, or if they thought it would offend the fan base this wouldn't be done.

    5. Re:This isn't news by dorsey · · Score: 1

      makes you wonder how the show failed so fast. was it because...

      Yes, yes, and yes. Also it was preempted by sports fairly often.

      I think that a hefty majority of current fans are people who first watched the show on dvd. As evidenced even here, many people simply couldn't understand the show until they could see all of the episodes in the correct order. So subtract those potential viewers from the potential viewers who never even heard of the show before the dvds, and you get one canceled show.

      Though I would quibble with saying that the cancellation was "fast". As we saw with Wonderfalls, FOX was actually fairly generous with Firefy by airing more than half of the episodes before pulling the plug.

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    6. Re:This isn't news by CptNerd · · Score: 1

      Fox was so desperate to promote "That 80's Show" that they devoted > 80% of their own ad time to it. I got so sick and tired of seeing the stupid head with the new cell phone in the bar that I was ready to throw a bottle at the TV. If they had only spent 1 out of every 10 ad slots that they used to promote "That 80's Show" to a "Firefly" ad, the show probably wouldn't have failed as badly.

      Oh, and where is "That 80's Show" now?

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    7. Re:This isn't news by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      My 19 year old son is an avid Firefly fan, and got up early in the morning to check his email and Aint-it-cool News homepage. As soon as he saw the announcement that there would be a San Francisco screening, he jumped to the link to reserve a ticket, only to find out it was already sold out. This was less than 3 hours after the first announcement.

      We've been to test screenings and sneak previews a few times at local theaters before. They have all been free (with one exception last fall for Team America: World Police). This one required a full ticket purchase.

      No doubt about it, that is impressive. Especially for a cancelled TV show very few people saw during its initial run, and most only know from the rather pricey DVD set. A demographic with that kind of devotion and disposable income is a group any savvy marketer would drool over.

  8. Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No sneak peeks for Canadians... :(

  9. He's a loser! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a small but very vocal group of fanatic followers. They're like al Quaeda, small and insignificant but so loud and extreme as to be an annoyance. Kinda like a mosquito.

  10. focus grouping by astrashe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Doesn't this suggest (I didn't say prove, just suggest) that they're making the movie by committee with focus group data?

    I don't know if that's a good thing or not. Most good movies are more organic -- they're the result of someone's vision, expressed with comparatively small amounts of interference.

    But then again, I'm already planning on not going to the last Star Wars movie, so I'm out of step.

    1. Re:focus grouping by ewg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hope they're not going to let the hardcore fans write the Serenity movie--I watched the Firefly show on DVD and did not end up liking at much as many of my friends did.

      For me, the Serenity movie is a chance for the Firefly team to show me something different.

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    2. Re:focus grouping by thinkninja · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As a fan of Firefly, it had better not be much of a departure from the core elements of the series.

      If you and the rest of the general public don't like it that much, tough shit.

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    3. Re:focus grouping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see, this is why movie directors do not listen to hardcore fans.

      They want to make money. MONEY. JOSS WHEDON WANTS TO MAKE MONEY. HE DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU BIG BONERS ABOUT COWBOYS IN SPACE.

      Of course it's like yelling, you filthy dicklickers. That's the entire point. Sometimes people need a good yelling and a fat piss in their face and ears.

      The truth is the show sucked. It sucked worse than Dark Angel, and that only lasted as long as it did due to Jessica Alba's tits. Never mind that she has the acting talent of raw carp.

    4. Re:focus grouping by quantaman · · Score: 1

      I hope they're not going to let the hardcore fans write the Serenity movie--I watched the Firefly show on DVD and did not end up liking at much as many of my friends did.

      Too bad for you, glad your friends enjoyed it.

      For me, the Serenity movie is a chance for the Firefly team to show me something different.

      Why? You've got Everything else on the planet if you want something different, the idea of the Serenity movie is to be Firefly. If you don't enjoy Firefly then I'm sorry, this movie simply isn't for you but I'm going expecting to see a movie like Firefly.

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    5. Re:focus grouping by scool · · Score: 1

      You are pretty far off with this comment and I'm quite suprised at how high your post has been modded. Whedon couldn't be much less of a production by committee person if he tried. He's a control freak. That's why he writes and directs his projects. After having his movie scripts for Buffy and Alien butchered (though I actually liked the buffy movie) he's voiced his intent for the next person who screws up one of his scripts to be him. He isn't the sort of writer or director who basis decisions on focus groups. Moreover, the movie is a finished (or pretty much finished) product. How could this be film making by focus group if hte fil is already done?

    6. Re:focus grouping by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Your mouth's moving, Jayne. Might want to check into that.

      If the movie doesn't do well, then there's no hope for the sequels. If it does do well, there's a chance that Universal might want two more films, and might be interested in bringing back the tv series.

      So be prepared to accept a little bit of departure, if it happens. It's for the greater good.

    7. Re:focus grouping by astrashe · · Score: 1

      The article said it wasn't done, that the print was a work print. And believe me, if everyone had said it sucked, they would have changed it.

      Having said that, you might be right, and Whedon might be a control freak, and he might have total control. I don't know.

    8. Re:focus grouping by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Why don't you go see SOMETHING DIFFERENT then, instead of hoping they'll screw it up for us fans...

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    9. Re:focus grouping by degotas · · Score: 1

      I ran into one of the actors at a concert I went to on new years. Since I don't follow fan sites, I asked how the movie was coming along. I had heard nothing more than it was an option a few years prior. He said the film finished filming and was in post production. Minimally 5 months of post production seems like plenty of time to finish a workable movie. While the audience isn't a focus group bet on them all getting 2 page surveys and little pencils w/o erasures with about 20 people pestering the hell out them to please finish their surveys. Bad surveys would let them make some major edits between now and September.

    10. Re:focus grouping by thinkninja · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I want the movie to do well with mainstream audiences. What I don't want is some bastardized version that shares nothing with Firefly other than the cast (see: Hollywood).

      But everything points to this being a good movie for fans and non-fans alike.

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    11. Re:focus grouping by thinkninja · · Score: 1

      Oh, and unfortunately I'm much more like Simon than Jayne.

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    12. Re:focus grouping by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      You're a stuck up sissy with a penchant for flexing your intellectual muscle in situations that are totally inappropriate? :D

  11. Unfinished version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Last Wednesday, Universal offered fans of Joss Whedon's Serenity the unique opportunity to screen an unfinished version of the movie in ten cities.

    So they fished out the tapes from the garbage can and showed to people ? Or they still finishing the movie in the next 10 days !!

    1. Re:Unfinished version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm gonna go ahead and take the common sense guess of, not all the special FX are in yet, yeah...

  12. Re:wtf is serenity? by rovingeyes · · Score: 1

    Yeah welcome to slashdot...

  13. Serenity trailer - direct download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Serenity trailer - direct download by jordand · · Score: 1

      Additionally, Hi-def versions can be found here
      720p (108MB) or 1080p (129MB)
      Quicktime 7 required (mac only for now)

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  14. Re:"Bah"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you mod something that isn't rated overrated. Mod offtopic or something.

  15. Pent Up Demand by DumbSwede · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I rarely re-watch episodes of even my most favorite shows, but Battlestar Galactica is showing on the HDTV Universal Channel and it is glorious in HiDef. Hopefully Universal will re-air the Firefly series. I suspect that if more of the content on the HD channels were Sci-Fi and Fantasy there would be faster buy-in for HD. When you look at DVDs it's always the Sci-Fi and Fantasy stuff that are Mega sellers.

    The networks really seem to have a love hate relationship with Sci-Fi Fantasy fans. They are not content to cater to a smaller demographic. While that same demographic will none the less be loyal and unwavering for a good show, and support said show with DVD purchases and Fan sites, proving while maybe a 1/2 to 1/3 the normal demographic for other fair, the long term property value is much Higher. Sci-Fi fans should let advertisers know that they are major consumers and will well reward brands that support our hunger for good alternate fair on TV.

    I will probably hear some boos on this, but I find it ironic that Enterprise has been exceptional the last few episodes. I liked it in general, though it could have been better. I was not obsessive about its departure, but now they've decided to go out with a bang and have plots that are not retellings of TOS I am vexed. It would seem we will never get a third Evil-Universe story, it seemed like a cliffhanger. Granted the Evil-Universe thing was used kind of gimmicky in the DS9 series, but Enterprise has it right by leaving the main universe out. Probably just get tired of seeing all the PC hand ringing our characters do, and enjoying seeing people give into some raw animal emotions.

    1. Re:Pent Up Demand by bnenning · · Score: 1

      The networks really seem to have a love hate relationship with Sci-Fi Fantasy fans. They are not content to cater to a smaller demographic.

      This is the fundamental problem with advertiser-supported TV. (Well, one of the many problems). TV ratings are binary: either somebody is watching the show (and possibly the commercials), or not. There is no way to quantify how much somebody likes the show beyond that. If Friends has 30 million viewers who would be willing to pay an average of $1 to see an episode, while Firefly has 10 million viewers who would be willing to pay $4, Firefly should be more successful and profitable. But in the current system only absolute numbers matter, which is why "free" TV tends toward the lowest common denominator.

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  16. check out that sneaky affiliate link in the post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    ha, I figured out why they wanted this posted:

    See the u=dizzyellie in the article link?
    That's to get them credits when you sign up for the site to browse! SNEAKY! (wish I thought of it)

    (credits let them get free t-shirts and posters and such)

  17. Wait till September? by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That depends. After the screenings, a screener on p2p seems inevitable. (Now there's a conflict of /. ethics!)

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    1. Re:Wait till September? by 01000011011101000111 · · Score: 1

      And, consistent with ethics, I'll be downloading, watching *then* still going to the cinema several times...

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    2. Re:Wait till September? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      You forgot to ask yourself the important question: "Is the quality of the screener any good?"

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  18. Trailer? by Brian+Kendig · · Score: 1

    Wasn't the Serenity trailer supposed to play before Hitchhiker's Guide? I know of several people who went to see HHGG but the Serenity trailer wasn't shown. What happened?

    1. Re:Trailer? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Must be where they saw it. I saw HHGG last night and the Serenity trailer was attached.

    2. Re:Trailer? by Rallion · · Score: 1

      Mm, it was the first trailer where I went. Followed by Star Wars, then Dark Water, then a clever little teaser for Chicken Little.

    3. Re:Trailer? by SerenitySprings · · Score: 1

      Apparently, each theater company gets to choose what trailers go before the movies they are showing. The Serenity trailer was not in front of the HHG that I saw.

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  19. Reviews by affeking · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, there are already a few reviews out there from an Australian screening. Here's one...
    http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20089

    Its by a big Whedon fan, so probably a little biast.

  20. CGI cities by lastninja · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is it really so difficult to make good CGI cities? It seems that adding some dirt and dents would make things look a whole lot better. Also for some reason rapid fly-bys always look awful, too "clean" in my opinion, it should look more like it was filmed with a camera, with all the visual artifacts that comes from that.

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    1. Re:CGI cities by MayonakaHa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One thing I really liked about the show and that I hope they do in the movie too is the camera movements when showing something in space. It had all the feel of a guy looking out the window with a handheld camera. Nothing was perfectly centered in frame, zoom was used liberally, and there was a delayed focus when something was zoomed in on. It gave it more of a 'real' feel to me.

    2. Re:CGI cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Firefly the show was pretty good about dirt and grime. They used the lack of it to draw a clear distinction between cheaper technology (their ship, colony planets, etc) with expensive things (military ships, inner planets). What you were seeing was probably a rich, inner world, i.e. not mud farmers.

  21. there are already reviews by LuxFX · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's already been a couple of reviews to hit the net. Here is one of them based on a screening in Australia.

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  22. H.264 trailer by iJed · · Score: 1

    Apple has an H.264 version of the trailer at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/hdgallery/

    1. Re:H.264 trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll need a G5 and QuickTime 7 to handle this. It _will_ run on a G4, but the frame rate and resolution is too high, so there are dropped frames.

      First QuickTime movie I've _ever_ seen where I had to use the "Display at half size" setting to fit it on my screen. Yow.

  23. Hell, all movies are pretty much made by committee by crovira · · Score: 1

    At some stage, the money invested becomes large enough that the execs become nervous. To ease the cramps in their wallets, as an antacid, they want things to blow up, go bang, crash, make loud noises and anything else that has sold well in the past.

    Story, plot, subject matter, appropriateness are all plowed under for a six seconds of basically orange tinted celluloid showing some geographic background and a big fractal/dynamic fluid flow pattern.

    If you want inventiveness and daring, challenging writing, look for some small unit who can't do the concept justice. (They just don't have the resources.)

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  24. I got my tickets!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With an announcement by Joss Whedon at the Serenity official web site, the tickets to this event went on sale at just after midnight Wednesday morning. By dawn, most of the cities were sold out. By 9 a.m., all of the cities were sold out.

    I happened to trip over the announcement at 1 a.m, woke the wife, and scored our tickets. We're very excited about it!!!

    What's it about? One good quote that I read was, "Imagine if Star Wars had been about Han instead of Luke." (but with much, much better writing and no damned cutsie aliens).

    There have been several test screenings in the past to tune the movie. Almost always, the word leaked and these turned into flash mob events for Firefly/Whedon fans. This 10 city screening is a little different. The movie is nearly the finished product, but the purpose is to incite the fan base into a word-of-mouth guerilla marketing machine.

    Universal apparently thought that there was going to be trouble getting butts into seats, and created a marketing campaign and ads just for this screening. With 30,000+ registered fans at the official Serenity website, they need not have worried about that. A couple of folks have even put their tickets on eBay with bidding now at absurd levels.

    This promises to be big! Check out the trailer!

    1. Re:I got my tickets!!! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Saying that Star Wars should be written about Han is so absent mindedly lame it's no wonder Wedon fans watched the Angel disaster err Apocolypse.

      The only "star wars" books I ever thought were any fun at all were the 3 Han Solo books by Brian Daley. I expect Serenity to be at least as entertaining as those books were.

      Let's not forget the first Buffy movie. If anyone even remembers it.

      I've got it recorded in hidef, you got a problem with that?

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    2. Re:I got my tickets!!! by Ying+Hu · · Score: 1

      OK, so can anyone say what cities this is showing in?

  25. Trailer looks ... good by Richard_at_work · · Score: 0

    I must admit to not loving the series - yes, get over the shock. The movie looks a lot better tho, and I am looking forward to its release.

  26. Bah lameness filter, bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Granted "Buffy" and "Angel" have enormous fanbases, I've never been really that much of a fan of Joss Whedon's work. ...until Firefly.

    It has a wonderful lasting quality that you don't see in ...any... tv shows anymore and the fact that FOX canceled it so soon can only be a testament to how good it is. .. I mean, its FOX..

    They really have good programming on there... man... like ...Nanny 911...and...a bunch of stupid people standing up and becoming prefabricated no-talent celebrities based on looks and popularity without even having to sleep with anyone to get there?

    I expect the movie to appeal to a broader audience than the hardcore fanbase though. The trailer looked a bit more "actiony" than the series is.

  27. H.264 trailer is freaking awesome. by crovira · · Score: 1

    I just got a new 17" iMac G5 with Tiger two days ago. I just loved watching this trailer in a big window instead of a little dinky plug-in on a web page.

    Of course, watching it on the gorgeous flat screen helped. :-)

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  28. Re:wtf is serenity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The post for folks whose UNCOOL dial reaches 11.

  29. Serenity HD Trailer by patdabiker · · Score: 1

    The Serenity HD Trailer using H.264 is quite impressive.

  30. Beta movies good enough for production sale by spideyct · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reminds me of this past post:
    MS: Beta Software Good Enough for Production Use

    (Only, this time they're charging.)

    The people that are interested don't care that it is still beta. The people that do not want to consume an unfinished product will stay away.

    1. Re:Beta movies good enough for production sale by nutshell42 · · Score: 1

      It's more or less finished. The reason it opens in September and not now is that someone at Universal has some brains and noticed that putting Serenity in the Slot between Hitchhikers' Guide and Episode III is awfully like what Fox did with the "Friday 8PM when not preempted for Baseball"-Slot.

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  31. OT: Goodbye karma. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I saw the parent, it was rated "+2 Insightful". How the hell does this happen?

    A one line flame can never be "Insightful". Opinions can't be insightful, unless you provide some *insight* into why you think what you think.

    Anyone rating this type of flame as insightful should not complain when their mod-points are meta-moderated away. The correct answer was "+1 Flamebait", whether you like the show or not.

  32. It's a good thing by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Don't believe that stuff about someone's vision. I think directors work best when faced with difficult constraints and with constant reminders that they're making movies for other people, not just to please themselves. For example look at what has happened with Star Wars now that Lucas has total control. Or look at what happened when the Wachowskis earned enough trust from the studio to make the movie they really wanted to. (And look how good they were on a tiny budget like with Bound.) Whenever I hear a director say "now I can finally make the movie I have always dreamed of" I cringe.

    A few years back I worked at a company that did visual effects. The director of a highly succesful movie had come in to make the movie that he really wanted to make and we were going to do the effects. This was story that he really believed in and he told people this. The succesful movie: Mask. The director: Chuck Russell. The movie he truly wanted to make: er...um...Bless the Child.

    When a director has freedom to make what they want, it's time to run.

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    1. Re:It's a good thing by astrashe · · Score: 1

      I don't know -- what about people like Herzog? Or even Spielberg? I know Hitchcock had some things pushed on him -- Kim Novak in Vertigo -- but he did most of his stuff the way he wanted to do it. So did Kubrick.

      I agree that many bad movies are made by auteur types. But most of the really good ones are too.

      A movie like the mask is pleasant enough to sit through, and if I were in the movie business, I would have loved to have been associated with it, because it made money. But for me, a guy in the audience, it's not a great movie.

    2. Re:It's a good thing by jnik · · Score: 1
      I know Hitchcock had some things pushed on him -- Kim Novak in Vertigo -- but he did most of his stuff the way he wanted to do it.

      Yeah, but at the same time, I disagree with him on some of the stuff that "worked"--I loved Rope, thought it was a nifty way to shoot.

    3. Re:It's a good thing by astrashe · · Score: 1

      It was a good idea, but I don't know if it was one of his best movies. It wasn't a bad movie by any means, but it wasn't "the birds", either.

      I really dig hitchcock...

    4. Re:It's a good thing by CptNerd · · Score: 1
      I know Hitchcock had some things pushed on him -- Kim Novak in Vertigo -- but he did most of his stuff the way he wanted to do it.
      I certainly wouldn't have minded having Kim Novak pushed on me...

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  33. Serenity trailer in HDTV format, here by Gossi · · Score: 5, Informative
    Especially for CmdrTaco:
    80mb ultra high res XVID trailer

    It's 80mb. Well above DVD quality.

    Needs Xvid. In linux, use mplayer -framedrop (you may also need "-vo x11" in linux if your graphics card doesn't handle very mad resolutions).

    Also, whilst I've got your attention: I've seen the movie in London last month with the UK distributors (UIP), and it was freakin' brilliant.

    1. Re:Serenity trailer in HDTV format, here by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      I'll see your 80 meg and raise you 60. On the Apple QuickTime site you can download an H.264 encoded trailer. It should look great on your 60" LCD assuming you have a dual G5 Mac driving it. They claim QuickTime 7 for Windows will be available soon but for now you would need a (high end) Mac. The HD gallery is here

    2. Re:Serenity trailer in HDTV format, here by mbbac · · Score: 1

      H.264 version from Apple
      Duration: 2:21
      File size: 108 MB
      Resolution: 1280x544
      Video codec: H.264
      Audio codec: AAC

      You can also download the 1080 line version from the same page at 129MB.

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  34. -1 Wrong by Gerad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope you didn't mean that there are about ~300M people in 10 major cities combined, because that's the impression I got from reading your post. The USA* itself only has ~281M people, and Chicago (the largest city that the preview is being shown in) has only about ~3M in the city itself.

    Furthermore, I'd be curious to hear where you got your "1000 seats" number, as there is no actual article linking any solid information, other than the official website, which only lists the cities being shown.

    *And before anyone accuses me of being a excessively US-centric, the website lists the 10 cities, and they're all here in the USA.

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    1. Re:-1 Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to miss the point of the post and nitpick on minor details.

      I'll simplify it for you since you obviously didn't get it:

      Relatively few number of seats compared to large number of possible viewers means you're going to sell out pretty much ANY movie.

      This could be Friday the 13th Part XV and it would sell out with the few number of seats available.

    2. Re:-1 Wrong by pcgamez · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that is exactly what I meant. I could have spent an hour finding all the exact figures, but the results would be the same. I was using the numbers for scale. It wouldn't matter if therewere 1000 seats of 9000, it is still a very tiny portion of the population.

  35. Re:Goodbye karma. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Fanboi, At last we shall have revenge." --Darth Joss.

  36. Ah fuck! They had one in LV... by doormat · · Score: 1

    Shit. I should have paid more attention. Normally cool shit like this never comes to vegas. Its all LA, NYC, Chicago, ATL, somewhere in texas, SF, etc.

    Damnit.

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  37. Re:check out that sneaky affiliate link in the pos by Cruciform · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Then kudos to them.

    Slashdot is a "link site", not really a news site. Journalistic integrity is neither its strong point, nor a requirement.

    If the submitter gets free goodies for being the first to send in the link, more power to them.

    But back on topic:

    As for whether the movie is good or not... if it's as good as any of the episodes were, but with a bigger effects budget, then it's already more than worth the money that many people spend to go see utter crap in the theatre. Joss is getting my money, it's already a given.

  38. Re:The movie will still bomb by Gossi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here's something you forgot to type: In your opinion.

    Given that a lot of the Firefly episodes were written/directed by Joss, I'm not sure how he was trying to do an impression of himself.

  39. Testing the waters does not take stones.. by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    If the movie sucked, they would just not put it on as many screens.

    END COMMUNICATION

    1. Re:Testing the waters does not take stones.. by inkswamp · · Score: 1
      Yes and in some cases these early screenings result in re-edits based on audience feedback which may or may not be a good thing. There's nothing particularly brave about this. It's part of the marketing process.

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  40. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 0, Troll

    Not that I was after a +1, Insightful, but not all insights need be 32 volume, 60,000 page treatises full of words that break the 8 syllable barrier.

    And it wasn't flamebait. Maybe that means I think Mutant X was superior, or the person who modded me thought that.

    If Whedon was a horror novelist, his works would be Goosebumps instead of Lovecraft.

    If he was a fantasy novelist, his works would be Harry Potter, not Lord of the Rings.

    He wants to grow up so much, to be more than the guy that does Buffy... but Firefly should have been named Buffy 20x6.

    Where is his science? Hell, even as space fantasy goes, it's subpar. I'd rather watch Enterprise, it was that bad.

    B5 needs a second chance. Star Trek needs a 4th chance. Hell, I'd give Lucas another shot at a trilogy before I'd give Whedon the time of day. There are thousands of talented science fiction story tellers out there that deserve their shot at it.

    He is the perfect example of fanboy phenomenon. No one would give a rat's ass if Firefly was made by anyone else.

    The worst episode of Space: Above and Beyond had more going for it than the cumulative aborted season of Firefly.

    There. Is that better than my previous "one line flame" ?

  41. Looks Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen a movie before where, in the future, some people are protecting a girl who turns out to be a very able fighter.

    Is anyone else reminded of "The Fifth Element" by the trailer for "Serenity?"

  42. Re:wtf is serenity? by TheXRayStyle · · Score: 1

    Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the studio might have emphasized those points for mass appeal? Or should they have run down the plot in the trailer for you? Trailers aren't designed to tell the story (which is where Wheadon's talent is), it's there to get the most butts in the seats. Give the movie a damn chance before you write it off based on the trailer.

  43. Not out of the orrdinary by DavidNW · · Score: 1

    There's really nothing unusual about this. It is common practice for unfinished prints to be screened for test audiences. Out here in Los Angeles you can see up to a half dozen movies a year for free, as long as you don't mind that the movies will be unfiished prints lacking final visual effects, musical scores, ADR, and final editing.

    Its a trip watching these things, with their rough editing and poor continuity. All of that stuff is added later, in response to the questionaires that the audience fills out after the movie.

    I saw an old Gene Hackman movie, The Package, that way. They ask you all sorts of questions about the movie and your impressions of it, and modify bits of it according to the audience's answers. Its well worth your time to see one of these screenings. Just be sure to go and see the movie when it is officially released, just to see what they changed.

    I suspect that this is nothing more than a typical early screening, and really doesn't have anything to say about whether the studio thinks they have a hit or not. Wait until a few weeks after its release to find out the answer to that question.

  44. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You might think it sucks...good for you. Buit as for thsi:

    "Where is his science?"

    Well, Firefly is just about the only sci-fi series to actually /not have sound in space/! You know, just like in real life? And the reason for using oldfashioned six-shooter type guns is pretty decently explained in the series itself.

    So whilst you might not like Firefly (I do, because it doesn't resemble Buffy much at all: Firefly is funny and has well thought out, rounded characters instead of the buffy-characiture), you can't say the show's science is bad.

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  45. Schedule Change by Adrilla · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whedon's Grocery List will be shown at 12:07am so that we may show baseball. Sorry for the inconvience.

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    1. Re:Schedule Change by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

      that would rate higher than your average baseball game wouldn't it?

  46. Re:ripoff by Cordath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Star Wars itself lifted concepts and even entire scenes, right down to the wipes, from "The Hidden Fortress" as well as numerous other sources. You'd be surprised at just how good Lucas was at ripping things off. Go watch some old republic serials sometime. In any case, who cares? Star Wars combined what it ripped off in new ways and it was good. Damned good.

    If you want to draw parallel's between Han Solo and Firefly's captain, who both happen to wear remarkably similar pants, might I point out that's a friggin' good thing. Firefly's captain isn't the digitally sanitized Han Solo of today, or any of the revoltingly bland characters from the new Star Wars series. He's not some up-tight stick in the mud like every Star Trek Captain since Picard. (Kirk was perhaps a little too loose I admit... He had serious issues keeping it in his pants!) We're talking about a died-in-the-wool loveable scoundrel. Sci-Fi hasn't had one in ages!

  47. Re:The movie will still bomb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, he could. Charlie Chaplin once impersonated himself in a contest, and didn't even make it to the finals.

  48. Re:The movie will still bomb by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 1

    Probably a lot like how this new movie by the Jumanji director seems like a cheap imitation of Jumanji, and the new Star Wars movies seem like a cheap imitation of Star Wars.

  49. No MPAA Bashing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, look at everybody so excited to see the latest film. Funny how the MPAA criticism dies down entirely when there's a new geeky movie available.

    1. Re:No MPAA Bashing? by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

      Not at all, post the movie and we will download it with zeal in an effort to protest our **AA overlords!!!

      Setup us the download!

      All your movie are belong to us.

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  50. Re:The movie will still bomb by realmolo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Oh, you're right. I forgot to add "in my opinion". Sorry if you confused my criticism for established scientific fact. I suppose that's why whenever you read a movie review, or a book review, or an editorial, the author always begins every statement that others may disagree with with the phrase "in my opinion". I mean, seriously. If they didn't say that, how would you know? You're not a mind reader. You need things spelled out for you.

    Because you're a fucking retard. In my opinion.

  51. Re:wtf is serenity? by pennyher0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree that the trailer is formulaic. That was a marketing strategy to pull in the mainstream "i want to see shit explode" audience.

    But the show itself is not formulaic. It subverts a lot of different "sci-fi" and even TV-series-in-general expectations. No vinyl-clad halloween-esque aliens with more make-up than my dead grandfather, no scantily clad crew members who have no real business being scantily clad (Inara's a Companion. Dressing beautifully is part of her job description. and she's never scantily clad anyway), the dialogue is FUNNY and entirely character driven... and the characters are complex rather than based on single opposing traits.

    In the "literary" sense, the series really doesn't belong on mainstream tv at all because that's not the kind of thing that gets played on mainstream tv.

    Buffy had a fanbase because it had pretty faces, yes. But this series has a fanbase (much bigger and with a higher average IQ than the buffy fanbase) because it's a GOOD series.

  52. Trailer didn't excite by nagora · · Score: 1
    Seemed a fairly run-of-the-mill bunch of hackneyed SF cliches from the trailer. I've not seen the TV series, nor heard of it before last week, was it any good?

    TWW

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    1. Re:Trailer didn't excite by Blandarg · · Score: 1

      This is one of the reasons that it failed on FOX, not enough exposure and at first glance it just looks like the usual TV SCI-FI fare... with horses. Give it a chance, there are some awesome stories here.

    2. Re:Trailer didn't excite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd actually say that the trailer is not really representative of what Firefly is really about - the characters and the story. Firefly doesn't even have the kind of music used in the trailer.

      So I think that this trailer is probably an attempt to market the film to the wider audience that never watched Firefly. My guess is that you're in the exact demographic that the majority of Firefly fans fall into. The marketing isn't working for you (and you think it's bad) because you should have already seen the series. If you're tired of sf cliches, you'd probably love Firefly.

      As someone who adored Firefly, the trailer is exciting to me because it's like having a bunch of really good friends show up unexpectedly, who I thought I'd never see again.

  53. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by Digitalia · · Score: 1

    I can't stand Joss Wheedon's other work. But firefly was a superb work of innovative space fiction. The fact that it doesn't have a particle of the week, or that it doesn't have ridiculous aliens with rubber prosthetics doesn't mean that it's bad.

    Then again, this is coming from someone who actually liked B5... I think we all can agree that this invalidates your viewpoint.

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  54. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Not significantly better than your "one line flame," no. Basically, that post was seven one-line flames in sequence. Putting them together, they're no stronger than the sum of their parts.

    You compare his work to that of children's authors, claim without support that Firefly somehow rehashes Buffy (what? Do you have the secret scripts from Firefly Season 2 that has Simon losing his soul and trying to kill Kaylee?)

    His science is fine. Whedon just isn't bothered when his characters say "fuel" instead of "dilithium crystals". Tech babble is nothing but mindless hand-waving trying to cover up the fact that the writers wrote themselves into a corner and needed a deus ex machina to get them back out. I'm glad that sort of thing was jettisoned for Firefly.

    #5 and #7 are basically you saying "I liked these other series better." Yay for you.

    Which leaves the fanboy accusation. Sorry, but having seen Firefly, I know beyond reasonable doubt that I would have loved it regardless of whose name was listed under "creator". We like Joss Whedon because he was able to bring certain things to "Buffy" and "Angel" that we came to love and appreciate. If you didn't love or appreciate those things, no skin off my butt. But when you want to convince the fans of a series that the series sucked, saying "the series sucked" seven times without evidence does nothing to promote that goal.

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  55. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, when I saw Firefly for the first time on TV, I didn't know of Joss Whedon, and hadn't watched Buffy or Angel. Yet, I still loved the show.

    Where is his science? First off, nothing in Firefly is unrealistic, given the setting; and second, is that why you watch TV? For the science?

    No, you're wildly incorrect. Yes, I'm a huge fan of Joss Whedon, now; but it's *because* of Firefly, and not the other way around.

  56. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by Shifty+Jim · · Score: 0

    Where is his science?

    I won't touch on anything else you said, but Firefly did have one scientific truth that almost every other sci-fi outing has ignored or forgotten.

    Every explosion, engine burn, weapons fire, or blown hatch performed in the vacuum of space is bereft of sound on the show. Now, this novel idea seems to have been lost in the movie translation. But, it was nice to see while it lasted.

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  57. Re:wtf is serenity? by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    But this series has a fanbase (much bigger and with a higher average IQ than the buffy fanbase)

    There have been studies done or are you just making fun of blondes and the stereotypical "teenage angst" angle?

  58. But why Firefly? by unassimilatible · · Score: 1
    Whedon had two long-running shows in Buffy and Angel. Seems they had much bigger built-in audiences than Firefly, and Buffy is iconic even among those who didn't watch the show (does anyone not know that Sarah Michelle Gellar was Buffy?).

    The only thing I can think is that being a SciFi/space genre, it fits the big screen better. But this is just speculation. How did Joss get a studio to green light on a show that didn't make it out of its first season?

    Maybe I am asking the wrong crowd here about mass market appeal, since many of you think that Linux will topple Windows any day now...

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    1. Re:But why Firefly? by batkiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. After the success of buffy and angel, Universal has "faith" in Joss's ability to draw people in.

      2. The sales data for the DVDs are supporting evidence for #1 and #3

      3. It didn't make it out of its first season due to internal Fox politics, nothing to do with the quality of the show itself.

      If it was just the show, why is Fox refusing to sell the TV rights to Universal/UPN (like they did for angel AND buffy after canning them)? It's only through a contract oversight that Joss was allowed to have Universal make the movie; Fox has firefly (as well as the next 2-3 show ideas Joss has) "locked up" as far as TV series go for the next something like 5-6 years.

      They talk about all of this in the extras on the DVD, but in an obtuse way to avoid lawsuits and the like. If you put that together with some Joss and co interviews, it paints a very specific picture.

    2. Re:But why Firefly? by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      Buffy and Angel are done. Whedon has done all he wanted with Buffy, and with the cancelling of Angel, he wrapped that up too. Going forward, there's really nothing to make a movie about in either of those franchises. They could make a movie set before the end of those series, but that would rule out any significant character development, and prevent them from having any lasting effect on the Buffy/Angel universe.

      Firefly, OTOH, was cancelled mid-season, with plenty of unresolved plot lines. The characters haven't had time to develop to anything like the degree that the characters in Buffy and Angel have. Also, it was Whedon's new and fresh project, so naturally it's the one he is most interested in continuing.

    3. Re:But why Firefly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did Joss get a studio to green light on a show that didn't make it out of its first season?

      You assume that it made it into the first season. I can only presume that Fox didn't know what the hell they bought and so killed it out of sheer panic. Here's an overview of the Serenity background.

      It's also possible that it wasn't very friendly for the typical Fox advertiser: a series about a subversive group of space cowboys who were on the wrong side of a galactic civil war doesn't exactly fit with the facist "you're with us or against us" attitude of Fox.

      I actually think that DVD is the perfect medium for Firefly. I wish that instead of moving on to film, they'd made a second series specifically for a DVD release - but that probably would have meant dealing with Fox. :(

    4. Re:But why Firefly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      3. It didn't make it out of its first season due to internal Fox politics, nothing to do with the quality of the show itself.
      Do you have any more information on this?
    5. Re:But why Firefly? by tyrotyro · · Score: 1

      If it was just the show, why is Fox refusing to sell the TV rights to Universal/UPN (like they did for angel AND buffy after canning them)? It's only through a contract oversight that Joss was allowed to have Universal make the movie; Fox has firefly (as well as the next 2-3 show ideas Joss has) "locked up" as far as TV series go for the next something like 5-6 years.

      I was just wondering where I could get more information about the 'contract oversight' you mentioned.

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  59. Battlestar Galactica by Aexia · · Score: 1

    The company that did the SFX for Firefly also did the work for the new BSG. While BSG has sound, it has the same "real" feel to the effects and camera movements. IIRC, Serenity makes a brief appearance in the fleet in the mini-series.

  60. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Where is his science? " In between the well-shaped characters, plots, interesting sociological obsevations and beautiful dialogue. No wonder you don't think it's very good science fiction. "If he was a fantasy novelist, his works would be Harry Potter, not Lord of the Rings." Have you read Lord of the Rings? It is aimless, boring crap with no story arc and a denouement that goes on for 1/2 of the last book. Its characters are souless, sexless, rather traitless and form 1D relationships with each other. It is breathtakingly boring.

  61. Studio Shows Movie to Fanboys by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 1
    How is this news? They do preview screenings all the time.

    Also, this makes real sense from a business perspective. This is an unknown property, valliantly held onto by a raving group of internet fanboys. If they did a Enterprise movie, dont you think they'd show it to some test audiences of trekkies to see if it could sell any tickets?

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    1. Re:Studio Shows Movie to Fanboys by Barry+Woodward · · Score: 1
      How is this news? They do preview screenings all the time.

      Also, this makes real sense from a business perspective. This is an unknown property, valliantly held onto by a raving group of internet fanboys. If they did a Enterprise movie, dont you think they'd show it to some test audiences of trekkies to see if it could sell any tickets?
      Yes, but there have already been like six or seven test screenings in LA, two in London and one in Australia. Many who attended the various screenings were fans but quite a few were not. I've been following various test screening reviews of Serenity and have seen quite a few good reviews from non-fans.

      Some links of interest:

      Serenity: The Official Movie Website

      FireFlyFans.net

      http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/start

      Test Screening-Early Reviews

      Another Serenity Review

  62. Just chiming in w/ support by Strider-BG · · Score: 1

    All,

    Just chiming in w/ my support for Serenity. I never watched Buffy or Angel but after a posting on /. I started watching Firefly. Loved the show. Heck my wife even likes it and she hates Sci-Fi shows. She liked it for the well-rounded and likable characters. I liked the concepts behind the world. For instance, in Firefly, the culture and language is a mix of (American) English and Chinese. I can imagine a future where this is the case. Sometimes the wide disparities of past and future tech colliding were a little much but I understood where the writers were going.

    Anyway, I hope Serenity stays true to the series. It will definitely have 2 fans lining up to see it.

    Chris

  63. Maybe... by Aedryan · · Score: 1

    I know only very little about the movie but I think that at least a small part of the movies fast sell-outs could be due to Gabe and Tycho's promotion of the movie over at Penny-Arcade.

    1. Re:Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gabe and Tyco Didnt post till after it was all sold out. There post was about not getting tickets.

  64. I didn't... by runlvl0 · · Score: 1

    I didn't get tickets, but I would be interested in talking to someone who might have bought tickets for the Austin show, who might have bought them as an investment...

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  65. Watch the DVD sales not theatrical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect the hardcore Whedon fans will love this, but others will be left cold. CHUD.com had an early review of a test screening, hardcore Whedon fans loved it, those who didn't know him from Adam (most of the universe) thought the movie was "Star Trek Motion Picture Bad."

    Box office wise, the studio doesn't seem too enthusiastic, shortly after the early test screenings the movie was pulled from a month BEFORE Star Wars to September, possibly the worst time for sci-fi movies. These current test screenings probably will be useless, Whedon's fans will love him regardless, but how many of them are there, and are they enough to make lots of money? I suspect the answer is no to the latter.

    The movie itself seems a copy of Chronicles of Riddick, without Vin Diesel. That movie blew big time in box office, but made lots of money on DVD sales. To me this seems Universal's strategy ... soak the Whedonites for all their cash, by pricing the DVD at something approaching $30 rather than $15. You can still make money that way, if you can't break out from the true believers which I think is the case.

    Forget theatrical, look at the DVD schedule (does it come out before Christmas?) and price (mass market or niche/expensive?) Studios make about twice as much revenue on DVDs as theatrical (20.5 billion vs. 9.1).

    As for Firely, I tried it and didn't like it. Too many characters, characters I didn't care about, a romance-less romance between a bandit and a hooker (why the hell didn't he just buy her, she's a prostitute?) and worn out 70's era pop psychology cliches like Stockholm Syndrome that DIE HARD made fun of twenty years ago. The show played out like the illegitimate love child of Andrea Dworkin and Barbara Cartland. Ugh.

    1. Re:Watch the DVD sales not theatrical by Barry+Woodward · · Score: 2, Informative
      I suspect the hardcore Whedon fans will love this, but others will be left cold. CHUD.com had an early review of a test screening, hardcore Whedon fans loved it, those who didn't know him from Adam (most of the universe) thought the movie was "Star Trek Motion Picture Bad."
      Actually you're distorting the facts. The article in question at CHUD wasn't a review at all, just an article commenting on the test screening reviews showing up at Ain't It Cool News (FYI: all positive). It was never referred to as "Star Trek Motion Picture Bad". The author of the article, Devin Faraci, commented that he heard from a couple of people he knew in the industry that thought "it was more Star Trek: The Motion Picture than Wrath Of Khan". Prior to that he had been down on Serenity box office chances and conveniently, he never backed up those statements any further, even when pressed for more details on Chud's message boards. Bottom line is, Serenity has been getting killer reviews, yes, from fans but also quite a few people who are unfamiliar with Firefly. Hell, reportedly, even Kevin Smith attended one of the screenings and was impressed.

      Test Screening-Early Reviews

      Another Serenity Review

    2. Re:Watch the DVD sales not theatrical by Eris13 · · Score: 1

      As for Firely, I tried it and didn't like it. Too many characters, characters I didn't care about, a romance-less romance between a bandit and a hooker (why the hell didn't he just buy her, she's a prostitute?)

      Evidently you didnt try any of the episodes that fleshed out the various characterisations. Watch "Heart of Gold" for this one.

  66. And.. by Snaller · · Score: 1

    .. when the trailer came out it shot up to 19.

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  67. Revolvers justified? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    Look, I *LOVE* the no sounds in space (the preview seems to have them, but hopefully it's just for the trailer).

    But what's their reason for revolvers? I don't recall them addressing it, and I've seen the entire season on DVD. I don't recall it being a big issue all the time, either. I know that the bad guys (the statist big government types) have energy weapons, and pretty much no one else, which seems either well explained or is strongly implied. But do they address revolvers over autoloaders? Cause a big famous design in autoloaders here in realworld is the 1911, named for the year, and it's quite popular still.

  68. Inquiring Slashdotters want to know by eclectro · · Score: 1

    These are the ten cities for the screenings May 5;

    Atlanta, GA
    Austin, TX
    Boston, MA
    Chicago, IL
    Denver, CO
    Las Vegas, NV
    Portland, OR
    Sacramento, CA
    San Francisco, CA
    Seattle, WA

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  69. It's all about Han by Syncdata · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's it about? One good quote that I read was, "Imagine if Star Wars had been about Han instead of Luke." (but with much, much better writing and no damned cutsie aliens).

    Surprisingly, I didn't catch this while firefly was on the air, nor after I watched the DVDs. I was describing the show to a friend of mine, and he says "So it's basically the adventures of Han Solo?" It's really the best synopsis I've heard, and he hadn't watched the show.

    I wonder if that's what Whedon had in mind the whole time?

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    1. Re:It's all about Han by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It looked more like another Joss Whedon anime ripoff personally, but that's just me. :D

      (Outlaw Star instead of Devil Hunter Yoko this time.)

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    2. Re:It's all about Han by mink · · Score: 1

      So besides the girl in the suitcase, please explain the elements it copies from Outlaw Star?
      It's not like Mal has a special gun, or there are space monks with nifty spiritual powers blasting around. or that (IMO stupid) light fighters that punch each other.
      Really the only Item to me that looks like it came from Outlaw Star was the girl in a suitcase, but frankly compact cryo of a contraband person isnt that surprising and frankly I'm sure it's been done elesewhere.

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  70. True, but by unassimilatible · · Score: 1
    Yes, Buffy and Angel seem done, but Whedon has mentioned many times his desire to spin off Spike (my personal fav). They mention in the Season 7 DVDs of Buffy (er, according to my girlfriend?) that they actually constructed a scene with Spike and Faith together (in the basement, on Spike's bed) to show their chemistry together in anticipation of a possible spinoff.

    Now Spike and Faith, there's a show that I would Season Pass (hey, TiVos are still a lot cheaper than the home brews).

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    1. Re:True, but by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      There's definitely room for more Buffy spinoffs. Spike, Faith, there was a lot of talk about a Giles spinoff at one point. But to do a Buffy spinoff as a movie (before it's proven itself on TV) would be extremely risky - even more than Serenity.

  71. Re:wtf is serenity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, Buffy Fans aren't bright. That is why there are so many College professors writing and teaching about the show and so many fans reading those papers. Across the spectrum of possible college subjects, it is being studied in depth.
    You didn't like Buffy, fine. Some people didn't. But don't fall into the trap of believing that since you didn't like it, it was crap. Because it suggests that you are a little afraid that you just didn't get it.

  72. Re:ripoff by kidgenius · · Score: 1

    I took a class that was titled "The Films of Spielberg and Lucas." Our teacher showed us this clip from an old black and white about these WWII bomber pilots and the bombs they had to drop to blow up German dams. You watch it, then watch A New Hope, and you will be amazed at how identical Lucas' version is, except the x-wings replace the planes, and the laser turrets replace the AA guns. Aside from that, it is identical.

  73. Re:check out that sneaky affiliate link in the pos by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but there's a fatal flaw in their plan: nobody ever reads the article ...

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  74. Be informative: List the cities by Ying+Hu · · Score: 1

    Hey all you excited folks - What are the ten cities?

  75. I saw a screener and this movie ROCKS by sjw02001 · · Score: 1

    Because my friend knew a guy who works for Fox, I got to see this movie last Thursday. It was excellent - fans of the show will not be disappointed. There is a heck of a lot more to the movie than what they show in the trailer, and lots of suprises. It was so suspenseful that I left the theater feeling physically and emotionally drained, which doesn't happen all that often. There is also enough humor that it doesn't get on your nerves. A few parts are slightly predictable, but they throw in some small twists to keep it interesting. That said, people who haven't watched the show will likely be lost for the first half. I only had two complaints, and one's a bit of a spoiler, but the other was that the theme song wasn't anywhere in the movie... hopefully they'll add it in later! The credits weren't done, so perhaps it'll go in there.

  76. Re:check out that sneaky affiliate link in the pos by rebmaster · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I DID think of it...

    I submitted a story very similar to this 2 days ago, plugging the Serenity trailer (which I'm sorry to see they didn't mention anywhere in the Slastdot blurb.)

    And I also mentioned the passing of the 30,000th member on the Browncoats site that DizzyEllie got the link credit for... But they didn't mention that either.

    Yeah, yeah, sour grapes. I know.

    Go ahead and mod me OffTopic if ya wanna, but I had to get that one off my chest!

    Mean ol'Slashdot... Unfair... Growl, grumble... :P

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  77. the way slashdot works... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

    Stories that one editor rejects don't get seen by other editors at all. Some editors would accept stories that another editor would reject. Therefore, the way to get your story posted is to have it seen by all the editors. Repost it after each time it gets rejected. Try to post it at different times of day so it gets hit by different moderators. It'll probably get accepted eventually.

    After that, keep posting it. Another editor might like it and then you'll get your own dupe!

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  78. Re:OT: Goodbye karma. by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

    think Whedon's dumps could write better than the Harry Potter hack ;-)

  79. Re:Wow by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    that is because Blake's 7 is better :)

  80. Re:Goodbye karma. by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    not full of Canadianness is it?

  81. Re:Wow by mink · · Score: 1

    Blakes 7 no matter how good has 2 things going against it.
    1. It's no being shown on TV anywhere that I am aware of.
    2. It is not being made into a movie or series of movies.

    So untill a month ago B7 fans had nothing but a upcoming DVD release. I'll take what good entertainment I can get and Firefly movies will be at least that.

    Maybe one day we will be lucky and get good re-makes of shows like Blakes 7 and The Prisoner.

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