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Gameboy Emulator Released for PSP

HelloGamer writes "The first real Gameboy emulator has just been released for the PSP. It currently only works with the Japanese 1.0 PSP and doesn't have sound support - but it's amazing how quickly these homebrew apps are being developed."

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  1. Gameboy emulator widens appeal by johnamus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm going to buy one of these PSP's solely to play gameboy games!

    1. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's funny...I'm gonna buy a DS to play Gameboy Advance games ;P
      Plus it'll make a neat little pocket PC once the DS Linux project goes a little further. Too bad the touch screen's not pressure sensitive for Gimp use...

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    2. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by jobbleberry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well it just might be .....

      Some of the guys over at DSDev have some test code to show how presure sensitivity might work. According to the official doco from Texas Instruments on the touch screen it should support it. Something to do with the area over which the pressure is applied based on some special formula. It's all very technical but definitely possible.

      Check it out at .....

      http://www.natrium42.com/blog/?p=18

      Enjoy!

    3. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by BubbleSparkxx · · Score: 1

      This is the first killer must have app for the PSP - assuming that the PSP can handle the emulator without any lag.

    4. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by jericho4.0 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If you expect linux-on-a-DS to be anything more than a geeky proof of concept, you might want to hold off on buying one. Unfortunately, the DS is pretty underpowered, IIRC, it doesn't even have the power to decode mp3's in realtime....Still, the porting effort is coming along nicely, and the price is right. I'm waiting for linux-on-a-PSP, myself.

      On that note, I've become convinced that the folks behind psp-linux.org are fools or scammers. Their posts in the forum show a deep lack of skills/knowledge (they thought they could start by hacking on debian-mips/had no knowledge of Magic Gate), they say "only a small minority is qualified for this project" (you have to apply to contribute), and they keep asking for donations to get the work done faster. I've posted some (polite) criticism on these points, and had my posts deleted.

      These guys seem to be the ones to watch.

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    5. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ. Are you retarded? Every PSP article, you show up with this joke. It was lame the first time, but this has to be what? 20 times? 30? OMFG please stop it. Please.

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    6. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by A.+Rimmer · · Score: 1

      don't be a smeghead

    7. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      I had originally found that (maybe) fact on a DS development forum, and can't find that link. I did find This review of a 'media' add on for the DS. From that link;

      "Play-chan takes the form of a deluxe-sized Game Boy Advance cartridge that features a slot for an SD card. The cartridge plugs into either a GBA SP or DS (the original Game Boy Advance is, according to Japanese technology site Impress Watch, not supported) and includes a hardware decoding chip that brings the portable systems up to MPEG4 and MP3 specifications."

      Which would seem to indicate that the DS is too underpowered to decode mp3 on its own.

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    8. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's actually an add-on which was designed for the GBA, a machine which is most definitely too weak to decode MP3s in real-time. This device just happens to work on a DS, as well, and so they market it for both platformns, though it only uses the DS in GBA mode. Thus, this is *hardly* proof that the DS can't decode MP3s on it's own. In fact, I see no reason why the 66 Mhz ARM9 in the DS couldn't decode MP3s in realtime, with the ARM7 feeding the results to the DS's sound code.

    9. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by Hard_Rock_2 · · Score: 1

      Er, since i have a mp3 player for my gameboy ADVANCE(admitadly, no ff, or rw, or VBR ecoded mp3s but its a gimmick more than anything usefull), i have a hard time believing that a ds cant play mp3's in realtime. Where did you hear this?

    10. Re:Gameboy emulator widens appeal by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      I concede. I guess I didn't recall correctly at all. OP is now "overratedX2".

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  2. Thanks for the crap blog link editors! by garcia · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thanks for linking to a crap blog. Let's try for some real content: PS2Dev Forum and the PSP Hacker link which contains two QT movies.

    1. Re:Thanks for the crap blog link editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I notice the submitter is linked to his own blog, more ad revenue for him.

    2. Re:Thanks for the crap blog link editors! by krunk4ever · · Score: 1
      is it me or did psphacker.com get hijacked?

      it brings me to a site that says:

      psphacker.com
      This domain may be for sale by its owner! More details...

      For Dating try these sponsored links:
      Online Personals
      Meet 1000s of singles near you Quality online dating and advice
      www.meet-you.co.uk

      etc...


      does anyone have the ip to that site? i want to see the videos. thanks in advance!
  3. Re:Yes, but... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  4. Copy of the original message at ps2dev (sic) by News+for+nerds · · Score: 4, Informative

    Author: Amaterasu
    Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:57 am
    Post subject: The first GB emulator for PSP was released!

    Message:
    Ladies and gentlemen, hello. I am Japanese who one of the PSP fans.
    GB emulator for PSP was released by Mr. MIRAKICHI in 2ch that was
    the most famous forum in Japan a little while ago.

    It links with the file.
    http://psp.holybell.to/uploader/upload/gbemu1.zip
    screen shot
    http://psp.holybell.to/uploader/upload/PICT0791.jp g

    Please rename a GAME ROM to ROM.GB and put it to the same folder as EBOOT.PBP. In the firm only version 1.00, operation is confirmed.
    Please enjoy it!!!

    1. Re:Copy of the original message at ps2dev (sic) by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      I currently have version 1.5 from japan (installed when i got it)
      Is there any info on the progress of the version for Firm-ware 1.5 atall .
      I know most shipped now are comming with 1.5 I will give it a try on 1.5 see what hapens though .

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    2. Re:Copy of the original message at ps2dev (sic) by Bobsledboy · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that the code runs on the 1.0 version due to a hole that was patched by Sony in the network update. Meanwhile, the PSP still isn't released here.

    3. Re:Copy of the original message at ps2dev (sic) by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      I imported mine from lik-sang.com , There are a fair few on ebay aswell although since the announcment of the EU pricing for some odd(as in obvious sarcasm) reason now the PSP imports have gone up in price .

      I did try it on 1.5 and it just dosnt apear unfortunatly .Although i had heard they are making inroads as to API development for the psp and mapping out things .
      Intrestingly i am quite suprised sony hasnt released some form of API itself for this type of thing .

      I am fairly sure it would garner then some great PR ammongst us geeks and hakers.
      I know were not likely a main target audiance , but we are the folks who family and freinds come to when asking for some tech advice.

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  5. Nintendo Industry American Association? by aussie_a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So how long until the NIAA goes after PSP users for being criminals?

    It's crazy enough to just might work.

    1. Re:Nintendo Industry American Association? by cluening · · Score: 1

      > This post is lisenced under the GPL.

      Excellent! Spelling 'licensed' wrong in your sig makes it very realistic!

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    2. Re:Nintendo Industry American Association? by Zarian · · Score: 1

      I don't believe Nintendo has ever gone after the creators of the Emulators. They have gone after ROM sites that carry copyrighted games. Which they have every right to go after.

    3. Re:Nintendo Industry American Association? by PierceLabs · · Score: 2, Funny

      Using the other spelling would have been copyright infringement.

    4. Re:Nintendo Industry American Association? by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      ROM sites are just as bad as the guys who sell "50,000 in 1" systems.

      I wish there was a way to report them... I went to a mall in Brea, CA a few weeks ago and in the middle of the mall at one of the stands a guy was selling the 1000 in 1 Nintendo systems. What really struck me is that the cases were exact clones of PS One systems. Nintendo games in a Sony-copied case.

    5. Re:Nintendo Industry American Association? by kyojin+the+clown · · Score: 1

      NES or SNES games? is it really so awful if you can pickup all the old SNES games you loved, about 15 years after the console was released? people are hardly rampaging the streets purchasing SNES games new are they? why would you report this guy?

  6. Re:Quickly? by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it's only been about a week or two since a method for running code was discovered. I don't even think an API has been fully created or the memory map fully um, mapped out.

    anyway, I already upgraded mine to the 1.5 firmware, but my friend didn't, yet, so I'm gonna have to try this. now to figure out what game is worth playing.

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  7. neat, but... by cecille · · Score: 1, Informative

    Don't get me wrong, this is a really neat project...it's always nice to see people doing cool stuff with products that the manufacturers probably didn't intend. And I can see this being really great if you really wanted a PSP to begin with, and just popped on the emulator for the sake of having more games....but...I think I'll just stick with my actual gameboy. It's way cheaper and probably less of a pain to get working properly.

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  8. Nice! by georgep77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sony should be encouraging "home brew" apps for the PSP as much as possible. I believe that much of the early success of the Palm Pilot was due to the community of developers that flocked to the device.

    There are *free* roms available for GBA so I guess the GBA emulator isn't TOTALLY copywrite infringment facilitating software.... :-)

    Cheers,
    _GP_

    1. Re:Nice! by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      Sony should be encouraging "home brew" apps for the PSP as much as possible. I believe that much of the early success of the Palm Pilot was due to the community of developers that flocked to the device.

      It was :) I had the "pilot 1000" moments after it was released and there weren't many applications. The Pilot had 128k of ram, of which less than 100k were avaliable to the user. I would decide each morning *what* application i wanted that day -- there was only room for the one. Nevertheless some of them were quite useful.

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    2. Re:Nice! by r_benchley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sony could give a rat's ass about the homebrew market. If it sells a few more units, they would be pleased, but they need people to buy games. Palm actually made money when they sold their PDAs, so things like homebrew software was a great selling point. Sony (and other video game hardware makers) lose money on the console and generate profits from game royalties. The Dreamcast has a wonderful homebrew/emulation scene, but that didn't help Sega's financial position. If you can't sell licensed software for a video game console, you're dead in the water.

    3. Re:Nice! by Doomstalk · · Score: 1

      The Palm hardware isn't sold at a loss. Sony plans of making its money off of licensing fees and royalties. First off they can't get that kind of money out of homebrew devs, secondly it acts as competition for the companies who HAVE paid. They're not going to encourage that.

    4. Re:Nice! by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Sony is right not to, seeing what just happened.

      First thing done when "hobbyists" got their code running on the thing?

      They ripped games and uploaded them to the internet.

      As far as Sony is concerned, hobbyist = warez.

      Sad yet true.

    5. Re:Nice! by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

      I thought the first thing people try to get running on any new hardware is Linux? ;)

    6. Re:Nice! by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are *free* roms available for GBA so I guess the GBA emulator isn't TOTALLY copywrite infringment facilitating software.... :-)

      Even if there weren't free ROMs, it's perfectly possible to use an emulator legally - say I have a whole stack of old Gameboy games but my Gameboy broke and now I only carry my shiny new PSP around. AFAIK it's fair use for me to shift the games from separate GB carts to a folder of ROM dumps that run on my PSP.

    7. Re:Nice! by theguywhosaid · · Score: 1

      They lose money on the PSP's current prices? How much would it cost if Sony broke even?

    8. Re:Nice! by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Sony is one of the few console companies to ever release a cheap SDK for their unit and actually supported a Linux distribution on their gaming platform.

      Neither was perfect, but I'd never say that Sony doesn't give a rat's ass about homebrew markets.

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    9. Re:Nice! by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1, Redundant
      Sony (and other video game hardware makers) lose money on the console and generate profits from game royalties.

      Nintendo has gone on record saying that none of their video game systems have been sold at a loss.

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    10. Re:Nice! by MdntToker · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's not entirely true. The DMCA makes it illegal to break an encryption scheme to get at protected content. So it depends on if the GB games are encrypted at all on the cart. Its legal under the DMCA for an individual to break USE restrictions, but not encryption to get to protected content.

    11. Re:Nice! by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Beyond that, Sony, Sega and a few lone console makers sold thier console at a loss.

      I wonder, if anyone told this marketing plan to SNK, would they still be in the console business?

      I wants me an AES

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    12. Re:Nice! by Sonic+McTails · · Score: 1

      That was only because they wanted the PS2 classified as a computer to avoid taxiation in some contries. I'm not actually sure if it's that, but it was legal reasons they released PS2-Linux, not to help spur homebrew game development.

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    13. Re:Nice! by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      Well, this is for the GB port of Linux, naturally!

    14. Re:Nice! by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting statement about Nintendo, especially considering that the Nintendo console is always the cheapest on the market.....

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    15. Re:Nice! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      considering that the Nintendo console is always the cheapest on the market.....

      And usually the least powerful, too...

    16. Re:Nice! by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Estimates range from 300 to 450 USD. Noone knows for sure.

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    17. Re:Nice! by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I don't know why people assume there is ZERO technical difficulties with a homebrew SDK kit. Just because you have the tools, doesn't mean it is automatically easy for anyone to do.

    18. Re:Nice! by Christopheles · · Score: 1

      Could you please post your source for the information about how Sony loses money on its consoles?

      +C

    19. Re:Nice! by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Well, they lose money at first, then eventually they break even and finally they make money on every one sold. Thats how the PS2 went, I don't really see much to make the PSP different. Obviously as time goes on, components get cheaper and the economies of scale really start to become a factor. Still, the majority of Sony's profit will still come from games and not the hardware.

    20. Re:Nice! by Travelsonic · · Score: 1
      Actually, that's not entirely true. The DMCA makes it illegal to break an encryption scheme to get at protected content.

      I doubt old game boy games (for the most part) had this kind of encryption.

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    21. Re:Nice! by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      No, they did that by putting the yabasic disk in with the UK PS2's, since that's where the problematic legal stuff was. Need I remind you that the Linux kit was Japan only for quite a while before it's US and UK/EU release.

  9. Extremely reliable source by Audigy · · Score: 4, Informative

    the holybell.to guy is the one who made SNES9xJ4U, which is the world's fastest and best SNES emulator for PocketPC. Two thumbs up, highly recommended. :)

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    1. Re:Extremely reliable source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Two sore thumbs up, I might add

  10. Excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's about time the PSP got some worthwhile games.

  11. The trick... by Veinor · · Score: 2, Informative

    The trick will be getting a ROM legally. Obviously, the person who wrote this will be getting some flack. Also, if the PSP can emulate the GBA, couldn't it be possible that someone will eventually create a console gaming system that has native support for both DS and PSP? And would it be called DSP?

    1. Re:The trick... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      Actually, I can get rom images off of my GBA easily. Very easily.

      All I have to do is plug my fash2advance cable into the GBA and my computers USB port. Then I insert a cartridge (any one) and then store the file on my hard drive.

      Wham. Legal Rom Image. (Though some do still argue against that.)

      I actually copy my favorite games onto a 256 meg flash cart and carry only it around instead of my originals. The 256 meg cart is enough for at least 4 decent sized games and many more smaller ones.

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    2. Re:The trick... by pogle · · Score: 1

      Where did you pick up these flash cables and such? I looked at Lik-sang (I believe) a long time ago, but honestly I got lost trying to find anything useful. Is that still the only decent (read: reputable) source?

      I'd love to slim down some games onto a single cart, my GBA carrying case is strained trying to hold all the old GB game cartridges as well as the GBA ones.

      Offtopic to a point, sorry. I've no plans on a PSP nor a DS until some point much later in the future, after price cuts and better game libraries and all.

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    3. Re:The trick... by joper90 · · Score: 1

      www.gbax.com are very good and very fast.

    4. Re:The trick... by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Craig is a good guy. I have never had any issues buying from him or heard of anyone having issues.

      He also ports emulators and other code to various machines (like the GP32).

    5. Re:The trick... by wan-fu · · Score: 1

      No. It won't be possible. How do you plan on emulating the touchscreen on the DS?

    6. Re:The trick... by Veinor · · Score: 1

      Here's what I was thinking: an add-on that turns your PSP into the non-touch screen on the DS and has a plug for DS games and a touchscreen.

  12. Sony will keep putting out patches... by Audigy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...In the meantime, I will stare at my USA-purchased 1.5 firmware PSP and wait.

    I'm not sure when that will be cracked. I do look forward to it, though.

    I refuse to update my firmware any more though, for sure. :)

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    1. Re:Sony will keep putting out patches... by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Until a new PSP game comes out and patches it for you.

  13. One more layer! by apache+guevara · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reminds me of a post a couple of days back when they got linux to load on a Gameboy.

    Would really like to see a psp running a gameboy emulator running linux. Wrap that with wine and guess what, we'll have quake on a PSP.

    Wowie ... that is progress!

    1. Re:One more layer! by iapetus · · Score: 1

      WINE Is Not an Emulator.

      You'll need to use QEMU instead.

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  14. Re:Yes, but... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

    oops...lol. Guess that's what they mean when they say the internet lowers IQ points :P

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  15. Re:Yes, but... by Elranzer · · Score: 2, Funny

    It currently only works with the Japanese 1.0 PSP and doesn't have sound support

    Are you sure this isn't just Linux for the PSP? It sounds an awful lot like whene Linux first gets ported to new hardware...

    "Well, we got Linux on the it. Yeah. Well, the soundcard doesn't work. It only installs on a few models... from Japan. Xorg loads but only at about 253 colors. It's missing the left column's worth of 32 pixels. Only runs Emacs, pine, lynx and vi. What do you think?"

  16. Looks Amazing, But by ultimabaka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the PSP's screen resolution is 480x272, and the GBA's resolution is 240x160, then why does the image look so incredibly small? Sure, this thing is still in beta (right?) but for this, I might as well just keep carrying around my GBA. Maybe they shoulda finished the thing before showing it off so much.

    1. Re:Looks Amazing, But by Audigy · · Score: 4, Informative

      ....because it's not a GBA that's being emulated.

      It's an original Gameboy. You know, Gameboy Color, monochrome Gameboy - the big carts instead of the smaller ones... four buttons and a d-pad instead of 6 buttons and a d-pad.

      Different processor, apples and oranges.

      I'm sure that zooming and other things aren't implemented yet, just like sound playback isn't implemented yet. I would consider this emulator an alpha release, at best.

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    2. Re:Looks Amazing, But by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      IIRC, GBC resolution is 160x144.

    3. Re:Looks Amazing, But by duerra · · Score: 1
      If the PSP's screen resolution is 480x272, and the GBA's resolution is 240x160, then why does the image look so incredibly small? Sure, this thing is still in beta (right?) but for this, I might as well just keep carrying around my GBA. Maybe they shoulda finished the thing before showing it off so much.

      Urrg.. maybe because the PSP's screen resolution is 480x272 and the GBA's resolution is 240x160?

      Think of it like a monitor. The higher you set the resolution on your monitor, the smaller the text on your screen gets.

    4. Re:Looks Amazing, But by ultimabaka · · Score: 2

      wow...in all the website I read, not once was I able to notice that it wasn't a GBA being emulated. I was wrong, and thanks for pointing it out :)

    5. Re:Looks Amazing, But by Audigy · · Score: 1

      Hah. :D The Gateway Destination series... I remember drooling over those in the Gateway store when they first came out.

      Of course now I have a 56" DLP with DVI input... heheh. 'twas a nice try, though.

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  17. Re:Surprising? Naaah... by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 1

    And what is your point? The GBC is older than the GBA and the GBA will run GBC games. It's not surprising someone can emulate the GBC when people are emulating the newer GBA just fine.

  18. For a broken firmware that is by MajorDick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The japaneese 1.0 firmware isnt available to the masses, and really wont be, expect Sony to make SURE this wont happen on later revs.

    I bought a PSP SPECIFICALLY to run "HomeBrew" apps , but the truth is for the Current version its pretty far off, there was a hack for the 1.0 that let you boot off memory , this IS NOT the case for later versions.

    1. Re:For a broken firmware that is by chemguru · · Score: 1

      ... there was a hack for the 1.0 that let you boot off memory , this IS NOT the case for later versions.

      ...yet.

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    2. Re:For a broken firmware that is by KillShill · · Score: 1

      ahh, expect sony to make sure you can't run code on a computer you paid for...

      makes sense to me.

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  19. Re:we are this much closer by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know damn well that people are going to be pirating most if not all of the games they run on their emulated GB....

  20. Re:Yes, but... by Rahga · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real question is: Does it run Doom 3?

    Ah, but even the Voodoo 2 runs Doom 3... I don't see why the PSP wouldn't be able to. :)

  21. Re:we are this much closer by stupidfoo · · Score: 1

    Because that's what most people use emulators for, developing their own software! Give me a break.

    But you're right, it is I who needs to buy a clue.

  22. Re:Yes, but... by Audigy · · Score: 1

    There are some GB ROMs of ports of the great Infocom text adventures available if you can find them... ...I'd much rather see a port of those to the DS though, where you could tappy-tappy on the touch-screen with the stylus to enter keys instead of having to use control pad and buttons.

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  23. Re:Yes, but... by Drakonite · · Score: 1
    not their. no possession implied. Gah.

    Yes, I know. That is why I very specifically did not use "their."

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  24. Re:Yes, but... by Drakonite · · Score: 1
    DOH >_ Stupid slashdot showed parent responding to my previous post when I hit reply instead of my post's parent post.

    *runs away*

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  25. Re:Great Potiential by Audigy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is not a bloody Gameboy ADVANCE emulator.

    It is a monochrome Gameboy/Gameboy Color emulator.

    Different processor, different emulation method. :(

    You could fit hundreds of GB/GBC carts on a 1GB Duo stick. Many of them are 32K or smaller.

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  26. nice, but not really amazing by paulsomm · · Score: 1

    Given the amount of high quality open-source emulation programs, these homebrew apps have a great head start. No, I'm not knocking the talent of the authors, I'm merely pointing out this is a benefit of having code open-sourced. Even if one doesn't take that code as a basis for their project, they have a great guide to use for reference/study.

  27. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    99.9% of the people anywhere don't know what they're doing.

    It's just one or two hardcores that are doing everything.

    Watch as every clueless IT fuck here talks about piracy and can't truly appreciate why this is such a marvel.

  28. There goes the DS, eh? by dextration · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am both ridiculously amused by this, and also deeply saddened. While the DS is not particularly great right now, at the least it had the 'Full library of GBA games' to go along with it. Now the PSP does too. Nintendo's made some pretty dumb moves with the DS, but if they let something like this slip pass their radar, I'll have lost all hope for them. I don't expect this to last very long with both Sony AND Nintendo gunning for it.

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    1. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This is a Gameboy emulator, not a GBA emulator.

    2. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Now the PSP does too.

      No, the PSP can now play all those amazing (ahem) black and white gameboy games that looked tired and dated even back then. Apart from Tetris, of course.

    3. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well... it's worth noting that this emulator is for *original* Game-Boy games only. Not GBA games. I'd guess GBA emulation is a few months away, still. Of course, the amusing thing is that you can't actually play original GB games on the DS.

      However, the main thrust of what you say will probably turn out to be true. GBA back-compatibility on the DS was a big plus for the system, particularly given that its native games lineup is still looking pretty weak, even by comparison with the newly released PSP. If there is a well-known, easily accessible GBA emulator for the PSP, this could be a significant factor in deciding the overall result of this particular round of the console wars.

      Of course, the DS is largely emulator-proof through its touch-screen concept... unless somebody wants to produce homebrew hardware.

    4. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 2, Insightful
      However, the main thrust of what you say will probably turn out to be true. GBA back-compatibility on the DS was a big plus for the system, particularly given that its native games lineup is still looking pretty weak, even by comparison with the newly released PSP. If there is a well-known, easily accessible GBA emulator for the PSP, this could be a significant factor in deciding the overall result of this particular round of the console wars.

      No, no, no, no. Unless the GBA emulator comes preinstalled on the PSP, or can be purchased like another game, this will have close to 0 impact on the portable wars (I'm guess you meant portable, not console). Except for an extremely small portion of people who keep up with this stuff, no one buys a system to run emulators, Linux, chickens, etc. on it. They buy it for the capabilities that are built into the system and the games that come out for it. Period.

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    5. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by xenoandroid · · Score: 1
      "Of course, the DS is largely emulator-proof through its touch-screen concept... unless somebody wants to produce homebrew hardware."

      Like this company?

    6. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by dextration · · Score: 1

      Odd. All the movies I've seen have been in full color. If it's not a GBA emulator, it's at least got Gameboy Color support.

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    7. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't a GBA emulator yet.

      Plus, this requires people to either do s0m3 qU3st10nAbl3 s0rch1ng to find the ROMs to play on the emulator, or get special hardware to transfer their games from the cartridges, then somehow get the emulator and ROMs to boot. All the while DS' GBA emulation is "just stick the cartridge in, power on, and tap 'Play GBA game' or push down-down-A."

      (Okay, DS doesn't play mono-GB or GBC games either. Big deal, I seem to favor new games and I have GBA and GC GBPlayer for those moments I feel I should play the older games...)

      Plus, unless you have actual hardware support, or the CPU several hundred to thousands of times faster than the original, emulation isn't going to work properly. I mean, my old P3-600 PC couldn't run VBA at good speed, my *new* XP3000+ PC still has noticeable slowdowns at times... how is PSP supposed to emulate GBA properly??? I've been nourished with hardware-based emulation, I have pretty high standards on what's proper, you know =)

    8. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

      Well, no. Because the DS can actually run GBA games, whereas the PSP can run... GB games. You know, the 20 year old ones. Using a memory bug that Sony has patched.

      Not only that, but, putting GB games on a GBA flash cart is trivial. Hell, you can fit a few hundred on one cart -- all using an emulator, not the GBA hardware (so they'd work on the DS).

      Heck, if you know the right flash kits to get, you can even have full PDA functionality on your GBA SP -- and get some really REALLY big flashcarts (1gigabit+ -- the supposed limit of the GBA is 256megabit). Not the best of setups, but being able to read a txt/html e-book on your GBA SP is +5 Awesome.

      And those are old GBA flash kits. The new ones for the DS are going to be insane -- 2 screens, much bigger processor and CPU, enough buttons to run SNES emulators properly.

      The PSP is definately interesting from a homebrew situation, but the DS is going to be pretty darn fun too, especially when you get those multi-gigabit flash carts.

    9. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by tont0r · · Score: 1

      but there have been many emulators released in the past and it didnt 'kill' the consoles. i think you can pretty much emulate anything on xbox and all the consoles seem to be doing just fine.

    10. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you know, nothing like emulating a 150$ DS on a 1800$ Cintiq. I'd rather go with a Tapwave Zodiac. Costs only twice as much as the DS and includes PDA functionality.

      There's a huge difference between touching a point on a tablet and touching a point on the screen since you don't know where your pen is pointing on the tablet before you see the cursor on the screen.

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    11. Re:There goes the DS, eh? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I know what a Wacom does because I have one on my desk. It's still much slower to reposition the pen while watching the cursor onscreen than seeing the position of the pen and the objects directly. Using the tablet is really much more like using a mouse for that.

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  29. Re:Surprising? Naaah... by Jagasian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, GBC and GBA games use two completely different sets of hardware. Most gamers confuse this issue because the GBA and GBA SP systems contain a GBC on a chip for backwards compatibility. This is possible because the GBC hardware is so old that it can now be reduced down to a single chip. Note that the Nintendo DS has removed this feature, so it can only play DS and GBA games, but not GBC games.

    My point is that if you can emulate GBA games, it does not mean that you can emulate GBC games. They are two completely different things to emulate. Furthermore, some emulators go ahead and combine GB, SGB, GBC, and GBA emulators into one application, again, because gamers wouldn't understand why each emulator was separated into its own application.

  30. So where can I buy ROMs?!?! by Zergwyn · · Score: 1
    This comes up every time one of these discussions starts. It is the same thing for music, the same for movies, the same for games, and basically the same for every kind of IP! Where is the alternative? I actually did go google search, I went to Nintendo's site, to Square's, etc. I can't find any place where they will even sell me these games, *let alone* as simple ROMs. Often, the games aren't for sale period (as in the case of old SNES games). I want to give them my money!


    This old saying is very, very true: A lot of stuff is only free if your time is worthless. I am now an adult, I have a job and a credit card, I am happy and willing to trade my money in exchange for not having to waste my time searching for low quality or buggy crap on the net. Guess what, if it takes me two hours to find those ROMs, or those MP3s, well that is $50-80 in wasted time. So if companies charge less then that, it is not only more convenient, it is in fact cheaper for me to just pay them. Duh. And yet there is nothing, so I guess I just don't have any sympathy. I don't think it can be equated with any type of theft or moral ill to copy something when there is no economic price to it, and it doesn't deprive anyone of anything. It would be like finding some never printed book buried in an abandoned building somewhere, the author dead, and being sued for putting the text online.

    1. Re:So where can I buy ROMs?!?! by mconeone · · Score: 1

      overnet rules for roms.

    2. Re:So where can I buy ROMs?!?! by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Nintendo is perfectly happy selling you the old NES Donkey Kong and Super Mario Brothers over and over again. They released them again for the GBA just a few months ago.
      I guess if it makes you feel better you can always go and buy the old physical ROMs from the used sections of stores. There is pretty large online retro games market which will cater to your desire for old ROMs. Of course these resold items don't actually make any more money for the developers, so...
      Yeah it's all very silly. I guess the good point is that while cease and desists have been shot off at many a ROM or emulation website, I haven't heard of them taking the RIAA/MPAA route and sueing individuals.

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  31. No good open toolset for PSP by xtal · · Score: 1

    This is the number one reason that I don't own one yet.. unlike the GBA, I am unaware of any open non-$$$$.$$ compiler chains.

    Has someone gotten gcc linking PSP programs yet?

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  32. Linux PSP dev platform? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    I wish there were a way to use my familiar Linux development environment to crank out networked multimedia apps on PSP. The PS2 at least had a version of Linux that ran on it, for some development action. What does it take to port a small Linux game to PSP?

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  33. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by llevity · · Score: 1

    Even if you don't want a PSP, why would you want it to burn in flames? Competition can only bring good things to we end users. Do you really want a monopoly?

    In response to your other point, I don't think that an emulating appearing is telling at all. It's just illustrating the fact that people do stuff because it can be done. It plays original GB games, of which there is very little demand for. But it's a good place to start, as the older systems are less difficult to emulate. The guy might have made a picture viewer, or a movie player, but those are already included with the system.

    I think the PSP is doing pretty darned well in terms of library, especially compared to the DS. The DS has a few neat original games, and several other ports, and kiddie oriented games.

    The PSP meanwhile has a pretty good variety already. Puzzle games, action games, racing games, hack n' slash RPG, sports, etc.

    I don't want to get into a debate as to which is better. I have both, and like both, but the PSP has gotten far more attention from me as far as my personal tastes go due to its library.

  34. Re:Yes, but... by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

    When you port anything the first thing you focus on is getting the core program to run. That means sound is usually unimplimented or disabled because it would drive you nuts with noise and video might not be rendered properly, but only enough to test if things are working.

    So no it's not Linux.

  35. That is not Zelda on the PSP by cpearson · · Score: 1
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  36. Great and all by TheBot · · Score: 1

    But when will it run PS1 games?

  37. Re:Yes, but... by joper90 · · Score: 1

    It will run Chaos though.. as that been ported to the GB.

  38. nahhhh, that's okay... by cryptocom · · Score: 1

    as long as i can take out my roadrage on NFSU2 when i get to work, and take out my workrage on counterstrike source at home (with an occasional smathering of super metroid on my snes emulator), i'm kewl. :)

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  39. Not to toot my own horn, by jerkychew · · Score: 1

    But, beep, beep.

  40. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1
    I think it is pretty telling that fans would need this additional library...


    Actually, the PSP library is pretty darn good. In fact, at the risk of starting a flame war, I'd say their library for the first few weeks/month is far better than the DS's library for the same initial amount of time.

    As for being a bitter Nintendo fan... my condolences.
  41. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by Hellad · · Score: 1

    I am not sure why exactly my post was flamebait, but thanks for replying anyway. :) I would agree with your statement about the DS library. DS has very little to offer as of now, though I do hope E3 will help turn it around. For me, I think what is most interesting is the way that PSP is trying to change what sort of games people want to place. Nintendo portables have always been about pick up and play games such as the old NES. Turn on Mario Bros (or whatever), play for 20 minutes and feel free to quite whenever. The inclusion of PS2 games into a handheld is impressive, but I am not sure that these games are what people want in a handheld. Do people want to sit it out and play games that require a large investment of time? I mean, do I want to be stuck playing FFXIII (or whatever that series up to) until I find a save spot (again, or whatever they have), or do I want to freedom to simply quit when I get to my stop? Time will tell.

  42. Then explain... by Paradox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Sony doesn't care, then why exactly did they allow PSPs to run applications off of memory sticks at all? Why does the PSP have so many extra little features?

    I've talked about this before. I suspect that Sony wants to generate an underground development movement with the PSP to help draw people to it. Handheld platform competition is brutal, but the hackability of the PSP really makes it stand out compared to the DS (and previous consoles).

    Sony will still make money with licensed games, the UMD format is closed (albeit hacked) and the physical media is difficult to reproduce. Their model is safe, while at the same time allowing for an underground community to exist.

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  43. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth, I didn't mod you down as Flamebait. Personally I didn't think it really qualified as flamebait.

    But I'm sure some Sony fan didn't like your "\I am a bitter Nintendo fan who wants the PSP to burn in flames..." People on either side of this whole DS / PSP fiasco are rather emotional.

    Personally, I think the market is ready to have 2 mobile gaming systems as opposed to years past when anything other than Nintendo would get squashed immediately.

  44. At last! by iapetus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Finally I can play all my old Gameboy games on a portable device.

    No, hang on a second...

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    1. Re:At last! by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      The real advantage is that you can store multiple games on one memory stick. This way you don't have to carry a bunch of catridges around or worry about your kid losing his games.
      They have memory cartridges for the Gameboy Advance that can do this, and also run homebrew programs or emulators.

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  45. Ported not developed by psychofox · · Score: 1

    There are many gameboy emulators out there, written in C, and fairly easy to port with a little effort. It has not been written from scratch.

  46. Reverting to 1.0? by Amiasian · · Score: 1

    I hope this isn't redundant, but is there a guide to safely Flashing the firmware down to 1.0 (and a place to download it)?

  47. riighhtttt by mesmartyoudumb · · Score: 1

    Home brew... Right.. Sure.

    *nods*

    Sony had nothing to do with this im sure.

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    1. Re:riighhtttt by Retroneous · · Score: 1

      Hang on, your tin-foil hat looks like its fallen in a puddle. I'll make you a new one...

  48. Re:You Are All Missing The Point!!! by Frangible · · Score: 1

    While this is a very cool feat, the problem is that the exploit they use to run the code only works on the early Japanese machines, and has since been fixed by Sony. So it won't help us American gamers with newer machines, unless they find a different way to run code on the PSP.

  49. Better than DS library yes, GBA library, no. by Frangible · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think overall the DS has the best library-- not because of the native DS titles, which I consider to be disappointing, but because of the machine's ability to run GBA titles very well. Better, in fact, than a GBA SP, because the DS's screen is much, much better. I have both a PSP and DS. I like the hardware of the PSP more, and between PSP and DS native titles, I like the PSP native titles more, but the truth is I play the DS more because of the excellent GBA library. Now, not everyone is like me and can have fun with Super-Nintendo technology era games. But right now, the overall library of the DS+GBA games is better than the PSP library, imo. Though I will agree with you that the native PSP titles are better than the native DS titles.

    1. Re:Better than DS library yes, GBA library, no. by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1
      Personally, I think overall the DS has the best library-- not because of the native DS titles, which I consider to be disappointing, but because of the machine's ability to run GBA titles very well. ...
      Though I will agree with you that the native PSP titles are better than the native DS titles.


      True, the IMMENSE game library the DS inherited from the GB, GBC, and GBA is rather astounding, but personally I don't care so much about that.

      I had a GBA with 1 or 2 games but it got old really fast. I had most of those games on my SNES (which still worked) and the old GB games bored me (except Tetris).

      But I can't blame someone for still being hooked on those golden classics. They're pretty cool.
  50. Re:You Are All Missing The Point!!! by MoriaOrc · · Score: 1

    Not exactly mere weeks. It's been almost 5 months since the initial launch of the PSP in Japan, which is the firmware version this is running on. Even the US launch was a month and a half ago. Still, it's something cool and it makes me hope there will eventually be alot of fun stuff to do (if I ever get a bigger memory stick for my PSP)

    FYI:
    Japanese PSP Launch Date: 12/12/2004
    US Launch Date: 3/24/2005

  51. Re:Yes, but... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

    Those guys are scammers or fools, I'm leaning towards scammer at this point.

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  52. psphacker.com hacked by krunk4ever · · Score: 2, Funny

    according to some guy's signature on psp-vault.com (ie. http://www.psp-vault.com/module-pnForum-viewtopic- topic-190.psp)

    WWW.PSPHACKER.COM is hacked daily...thats fucked up dudes:(

    guess psphacker just are on a different league when compared to website hackers.

  53. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by DJNephilim · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ah, but Sony thought of this already. Say I'm tooling along on a long-arse RPG game and suddenly find that I need to stop playing to do something or go somewhere. I can just turn off the psp and come back later. It automatically goes into a standby mode. I can come back at any time, turn it back on and pick up right where I left off without the need to save.

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  54. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by Hellad · · Score: 1

    Right, but it would seem to me that this would prevent the sort of immersion that I want in a rpg. I don't want to have to stop and start throughout the afternoon. It, to me, would be like trying to watch a movie and having people keep calling me on the phone. I can pause the movie and restart it, but I wouldn't enjoy the experience.

  55. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by Eccles · · Score: 1

    As a parent, I think this standby mode should be required by law in these portable game systems. If I have to wait for my kid to finish another freakin' Pokemon battle...

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  56. PSP and PS2 jokes were old in 2000 by tepples · · Score: 1

    Paint Shop Pro can now emulate the gameboy?

    That joke is so 2000. Remember when people compared the PS2 to an old IBM computer (which didn't last) or its keyboard and mouse (which did last)?

  57. DS hackability by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    but the hackability of the PSP really makes it stand out compared to the DS (and previous consoles).

    Oh really? Look at what homebrewers have already done with the Nintendo DS. And you still get 90 percent of the GBA hacks (the ones that don't require the serial port).

  58. Reviews of GBA flash equipment dealers by tepples · · Score: 1

    Where did you pick up these flash cables and such?

    Lik Sang no longer carries GBA flash equipment due to an injunction, but these shops that do are reviewed.

  59. Game Boy ROMs are not encrypted by tepples · · Score: 1

    So it depends on if the GB games are encrypted at all on the cart.

    Game Boy and Game Boy Advance ROMs carry no encryption whatsoever.

  60. Sonny Bono owns you by tepples · · Score: 1

    is it really so awful if you can pickup all the old SNES games you loved, about 15 years after the console was released?

    (If you're to believe Disney) Yes, because you're off by 80 years.

  61. If you think this has raisen a few flames. by AzraelKans · · Score: 1

    Just wait until someone realizes how to emulate a GBA, then the flames will go sky high!

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  62. Re:Surprising? Naaah... by koreaman · · Score: 1

    Just to let you know, Virtual Boy Advance also emulates the GBC.

  63. Nintendo Patent by Nehle · · Score: 1

    If I recall correctly, Nintendo has a patent on emulating Gameboy and Gameboy Advance hardware on portable platforms, so expect them to have a say about this..

  64. Re:we are this much closer by Mr.Zong · · Score: 1

    Your absolutely right, and I apologize.

    Actually, just wanted to test something. I only seemed to getted modded when being inflamtory, and your post seemed like a good way to get some attention.
    Just needed to serve my ego a bit.
    Again, I apologize.

  65. Re:Ironic- Sony Needs Nintendo To Succeed by DJNephilim · · Score: 1

    That is true, it would not be as immersive, but this would apply to RPGs on any handheld system and not just the PSP. My point was that the option was there, so you don't have to play just to get to that next save point.

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  66. EULA... by KillShill · · Score: 1

    and according to that mythical EULA you agreed to when you opened the package, you are not allowed to install or use third party programs with the system, in addition to the technical restrictions put in place.

    aint copyright and it's evil brothers grand?

    and when the new consoles with 3 cpus each and massive computing power show up, you can't install/use your own programs on the hardware you paid for.

    i wonder why they can get away with this clear violation of PROPERTY laws....

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  67. MOD PARENT DOWN by kryogen1x · · Score: 1

    The PSP is not getting the full library of GBA games. In fact, it's not likely that this will affect the DS at all.

  68. Already? by Paradox · · Score: 1

    If by "already" you mean in less time than it too to emulate a completely different platform on the PSP, then maybe I'm impressed.

    Every machine is hackable. The PSP seems especially so. That's what's making it stand out.

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    1. Re:Already? by tepples · · Score: 1

      If by "already" you mean in less time than it too to emulate a completely different platform on the PSP, then maybe I'm impressed.

      From release of the Nintendo DS (2004 November) to cracking (2005 March) was roughly four months. "Emulat[ing] a completely different platform" would be impressive if the emulator were customized for the machine, but it appears they just took the source code for VBA or some other free GBC emulator, recompiled it for PSP, and linked it with the beginning of a simple graphics and input library. Call me back when the PSP plays GBA ROMs or PS1 ISOs; emulators targeting those platforms might need a bit more customization.

  69. SNES Emulator in the works for PSP by deklar · · Score: 1

    The same guy is making a SNES emulator right now as well. There is a screenshot here: http://www.psphacker.com/