Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the because-you-can dept.
Dan writes "The bochs x86 emulator has been ported to the psp, and allows for x86 disk images to be run.linux and dos images have been confirmed to work."
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Tiger Support Soon?
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byteCoder
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So, to ask the obvious question... How long will we have to wait before the PSP runs OS X Tiger?
Re:Tiger Support Soon?
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blackomegax
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No, the obvious question to ask is...How long will we have to wait to actually buy a PSP?
I live in the UK you see and Sony don't like importers and haven't released the blighter yet! Grrrr!
Re:Tiger Support Soon?
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James_Aguilar
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Apple will not have a say in it.
Re:Tiger Support Soon?
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adam31
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· Score: 2, Funny
Or even better, put Connectix VGS for Win95 on it an emulated a PSX on the PSP through WIN95 x86:D
All in the name of FFVII.
Re:Tiger Support Soon?
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 0, Flamebait
Why? Are you honestly suggesting that all, or even most, microsoft haters somehow magically love apple as well?
Because we certainly don't. Running apple software on microsoft hardware is just about the worst combination I can think of, though maybe microsoft software on apple hardware would edge it, but only because apple would mark their shit up an additional 50-100%.
Re:Tiger Support Soon?
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Anonymous Coward
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Same here in Australia, no official PSP until september, and the few local companies who were offering imports magically went "out of stock" (permanently) when Sony started sueing the UK importers.
Re:Tiger Support Soon?
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abandonment
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I like my MS Ergo keyboard, but I really don't understand why the keyboard driver keeps thinking it needs to access the internet every time my computer starts up.
I mean - it's a KEYBOARD for gawds sake...is it sending key monitoring info back to MS headquarters or something? trying to see if i'm typing some 'oh so bad' words into my msn blog or something? (not that i have an msn blog or ever would)
On an offtopic note, People don't trust microsoft because they have proved time and time again that they are untrustworthy - It's too late for most people for microsoft to even try and regain their trust - it's a lost cause.
ah, because it is in a way, meta-moderation itself.
couldn't that work in reverse though?, if you mod something 'overrated', and someone else mods it up, then meta-mods agree with the modding up, would the 'overrater' lose mod status?
well thats just silly, why not emulate x86 on a psp running linux, running wine, running the psp emulator, lather, rinse, and repeat.
That would make more sense to me.
Wether you mean psp emulator on Windows or Windows on psp its been done. Win95 has been run on psp but very slowely.
Bochs is terrible
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Anonymous Coward
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Can we get Qemu, at least?
Re:Bochs is terrible
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invisigoth
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· Score: 1, Informative
No, but you can have QEMM. You know, so you can break the 640k memory barrier.
Re:Bochs is terrible
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Anonymous Coward
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Qemu is an awesome product but it has been rather ignored by the news and the sponsors. Fabrice Bellard (author of qemu) is also the person who wrote ffmpeg, the ultra-fast MPEG decoding library used by almost all the mpeg players out there (even shareware ones from tucows).
Windows 95 actually runs quite well but don't expect it to be a speed demon. It takes about 10 minutes to boot but afterwards it's pretty usable. I was able to do things like: open "My computer" and browse the virtual hard drive, complete a whole game of Minesweeper and run various other applications. Now you too can get your Minesweeper fix on the go:)
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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Anonymous Coward
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Bochs is dog slow on anything less than a gigahertz-class PC and even on that you get slow-like-molasses action.
486? Wishful thinking. 286? Closer.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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bhtooefr
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· Score: 2, Interesting
Reading that, why don't they somehow modify the Bochs "video card" to have the PSP-native resolution? Shouldn't be *that* hard...
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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Hott+of+the+World
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· Score: 2, Interesting
One thing at a time.. they've just announced getting it running at all.
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Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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wo1verin3
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Or use 3d hardware acceleration...:)
Future improvements
- I've used a simple software rescaling algorithm so the entire screen will fit into the tiny 480x272. This of course takes a lot of CPU time and slows everything down quite a bit. It is possible to rescale the screen using the built in 3D hardware acceleration and I will get on it soon.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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bhtooefr
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I actually DID RTFA. (That's how I knew for *sure* it was scaling, and it wasn't just weird JPEG compression artifacts)
However, I'd rather have a 480x272 display that matches the LCD pixel for pixel, and not have to worry about the scaling.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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killkillkill
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It takes about 10 minutes to boot but afterwards it's pretty usable
Wow... I wished Win 95 worked that well back when I last used it.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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BTWR
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What excactly do you end up with? A 486 speed pc at best?
Even though I'm a nintendo fanboy, and would *never* own a PSP, a portable (pocket) 486 would mean you'd have some AMAZING games at your disposal...
- Kings Quest games - Quest for Glory games
- The Incredible Machine - Civilization 1/2 - SkyRoads (*totally* addictive DOS game) - Doom 1/2 - LucasArts Adventure Games - SimCity 2000
And that's just to name a FEW...
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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temcat
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Hey, back in 2000 I used to work in Word 97 under Windows 95 on a 486 with 8 Mb RAM! And yet I always met the deadlines:-)
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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DrXym
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You probably could play all these but the controller system would likely kill the gameplay. I have a ZX Spectrum emulator for my pocket PC, but the thing is next to useless since so many games require keypresses. Even mouse oriented games would be a pain, since while the PSP has an analogue thumb pad, you would be required to use pixel precise movements - something which is easy with a mouse but not so easy with your left thumb.
Personally I wish Sony would embrace homebrew. They could do it in a way that shuts the door to piracy. For example, if they roped off certain functionality that games need such as high end 3D performance for unsigned apps, it would allow the vast majority of homebrew to run, but prevent pirates from taking advantage of the situation.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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David+Horn
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I can't see there being a massive improvement on what we have now - Bochs has been tweaked to high heaven for the Pocket PC, and is exceedingly sluggish even on 624MHz beasts with massive quantities of RAM available.
This may, of course, be due to the fact that the PPC really struggles with floating point operations, but I don't know enough about the PSP to comment on that.
-- PocketGamer.org - For the gamer on the go!
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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Kamiza+Ikioi
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Impressive, but nowhere does it say how fast this thing is. What excactly do you end up with? A 486 speed pc at best?
I hear the same thing happens when you install Windows XP on a Pentium 4. I can't wait for Vista, then we can go back to 386... I loved my 386 DX.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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Anonymous Coward
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Instead of Win95, run 3.1 with Seal GUI, etc.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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el_nino
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Doom has already been ported to the PSP, as has ScummVM for those LucasArts games. You could port FreeSci for KQ/QFG/other Sierra adventures, but since it doesn't support the newer point and click interface games and you don't have a keyboard for the older games it's not very useful.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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arose
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Civilization 1/2
Port FreeCiv.
Doom 1/2
That can be ported as well.
LucasArts Adventure Games
Port ScummVM.
Emulation would suck the battery dry rather fast anyway.
-- Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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Anonymous Coward
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You're living in a complete fucking dream-land if you think FreeCiv is even a fraction as playable as Civilization 1 or 2 (2 in particular).
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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harrkev
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Personally I wish Sony would embrace homebrew. They could do it in a way that shuts the door to piracy. For example, if they roped off certain functionality that games need such as high end 3D performance for unsigned apps, it would allow the vast majority of homebrew to run, but prevent pirates from taking advantage of the situation.
Allow me to point out the flaws in this argument...
1) It is good for consumers. 2) Implementing this would still mean reducing the rapant paranoia over piracy, even if just a little. 3) It would mean that Sony could not control every little aspect of their game system. 4) It makes sense.
As you can see, your plan would NEVER work, and therfore, Sony would never do it.
-- "-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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fistynuts
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Re:Sure it can emulate but how fast?
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Anonymous Coward
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heh, i second the comment about winXP on a pentium 4.
my laptop: Acer NoteLite 530CX, with glorious 10" vga screen in 256 colours, 120mhz Pentium-1 (54C) clocked down to 60mhz to save battery and make it cool... thats right. A P60 with no fan (roughly same power as a 486 DX4/100 for FP operation, or a DX2/66 for integer). 16MB EDO RAM, 810mb 3400rpm hard drive. Running Win95, and word v6.0..
the PCs at work: Dell Optiplexes, XGA truecolour flatpanels that can be flipped to portrait orientation, with 2.8Ghz P4s (check that, they're technically 46.6x faster than the laptop, not including MMX, SSE instructions etc or memory improvements). At least 256 if not 512mb or 1Gb RAM, probably quite quick DDR, large/fast hard drive and gigabit ethernet sharing data load. Windows XP with Word XP.
Oddly enough I prefer to do the bulk of my typing on the laptop. It's usually more responsive. It loads up a touch quicker (though XP does improve greatly on all other windows OS's since 95 in that department), has very little background overhead so word loads very fast and has hardly anything to slow it down, has never *ever* bluescreened or locked up on me, and shuts down in - and i've timed this on several occasions - 5.5 seconds. Five point five, from hitting OK to the power light winking off. And it's a proper shutdown.
The desktops on the other hand, take a bit longer than they should to load up, programs take FOR. EVER. to load (word isnt so bad, but outlook is generally a minute or more!) and have a habit of running so slowly you have to reduce your typing pace for the word processor to keep up, etc. And shutdown also takes upto a good sized minute! It's also not so rock solid as MS likes to think it is.
Plus they're bulky and noisy, vs the laptop which takes up hardly any more space than a modern standalone LCD panel and runs *silently*
The screen and laptop keyboard are a little restrictive of course, but with the toolbars and zoom properly sorted out in Fullscreen mode, it's a highly intimate and effective working environment. No distractions! Better even than seeing a whole page at a time in portrait mode, or having the text smoothed out using Cleartype in landscape. (Must say having 2 portrait pages at once in win98 on my 1280x1024 flatpanel is addictive though!)
The output from the two systems, when it arrives at the laser printer, looks identical. Whatever it was microsoft have changed in their word processor in the last 11 years, none of it appears to have impaced the average report-typing core elements of it)
When Vista arrives I'll have to pull out the old 486 SL/33 I have sitting around with a fritzed hard drive circuit, load Zip Parallel drivers into it by floppy, and check out the speed of 95 and word on that (if i can get it to run in 4mb and monochrome - if not, then 3.1 always worked grand on it with word) vs Vista on a P5 4.0Ghz... i'm not sure which would win. That was also a good typing station (mono LCD very easy on the eyes) until the disc went.
(the SL version of the 486 is something akin to an SX type, and seemingly shares some architecture with a 386SX... so it's only got a 16, rather than 32 bit external data bus, for starters, is geared more towards certain tasks such as typing on the go rather than any serious number crunching, and has very low power consumption. Therefore you could consider it a very slow cripple-486 or super-386. Decoding JPGs takes minutes at a time. But you can still type with *reasonable* responsiveness with the turbo switch off (8mhz!)
You could cluster the Game Boy, with special games, like an F1 Racing game that came with a 4 way adapter so 4 people could race against each other if they each had the gaming cartridge, and had the 2 player wires.
This won't work for anyone that has upgraded their PSP to anything above 1.0 of the Firmware. A little detail that got left out of the article..
Tell that to my 1.50 firmware. It loads linux just fine. At least, last time I checked, which was about 2 hours ago.
But let me check again... *Boots up to see a windows BSOD* NOOOOOOO, THE HORROR!
An ordinary post on an ordinary thread, hosted on an ordinary site, which just so happens to be in The Twilight Zone.
*ahem* Excuse me. But in all seriousness, having BOCHS run on PSP is a good thing. Now only if we werent' running an x86 based emulator, so we didnt have to emulate all those CPU cycles...
Maybe I'm just smarter than you, but I didn't really notice. So, do stupid people win spelling bees, or are they just so useless all they can do is hang around/. all day looking for mistakes to pickup because they can't think of anything interesting to say
Yeah I no waht you mean. These people are always worred about like spelling and then they can't even contribute. I mean look a tthe great contribution your post made. You told him "hey you aren't making contribution!" That is a a hell of a contribution. I mean on a site with as many unique hits a day aw slashdot spelling and grammer isn't a big deal to worry about now then is it? I mean people don't judge things based on the way they are spelled and the grammar and it isn't like good spleling and grammer are used by anyone; we know what he meant, give the article posrter a break. If you get the maeaning thaen wyhay does ait mattehra how iotse ispelled !/?
Well done, you've managed to post a link to a site that has nothing to do with the creator and is widely despised in the PSP community, nevermind being full of pop-ups and ads.
Re:The creators site is here
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Deagol
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What are these "pop-ups" of which you speak?:)
Seriously, I just wish someone would make bochs easy to get running under Linux. I've tried and it's just not worth my time. So I keep using VMware.
Re:The creators site is here
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Reaperducer
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I'm a PSP owner, but not part of the homebrew community, so can you elaborate on why this particular site is despised by the community? They seem to be reporting this guy's work and putting ads all over it just like Slashdot.
-- --
I'm old enough to have lived through six different meanings of the word "hacker."
Re:The creators site is here
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Informative
1) They frequently post the same story multiple times. Ok, slashdot do this, but pspupdate managed to post this item 3 times.
2) They have an annoying tendency of not just asking for money but also begging for it
3) They are now running a pyramid scheme that claims to give people free PSPs
4) They frequently fail to clearly identify the author and instead of heavily linking the authors site they will put the downloads in their download section making it look a bit like their own work
5) The forums, if you dare look at them, attract the wrong crowd, and they are not well moderated or looked after
6) They censor people who dare to say bad things about them
7) They have a very strange piracy policy, they will quite happily report on pirate releases and not mod the forums while they claim that they are against it.
I think that more or less covers it.
Re:The creators site is here
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Anonymous Coward
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i can agree, that pspupdates is extremly questionable. they are into it for money only and refuse to give credits, as they just did by submitting that posting to slashdot. they link to their own page and create money with their god damn banner network and "so called free stuff" instead of linking to the guy who deserved it because HE ported bochs and not pspupdates
Re:The creators site is here
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Anonymous Coward
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try this:
$ apt-get install qemu $ qemu -cdrom knoppix.iso
Re:The creators site is here
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Anonymous Coward
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Well at least the site in the article isn't owned by judeo-nazis.
I hate pspupdates as much as the next fellow, but I haven't found a really great alternative (I sort of liked psp-news.dcemu.co.uk until the news poster who was blathering on about OMG TEH EMULATOR EETZ MEMORY KARDZ!!! figured out he could reformat it)... any suggestions?
-- My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
Re:The creators site is here
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Anonymous Coward
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Ever try psphacks.net?
They may not update as often as pspupdates, but at least you can trust the source. Also, that's where the forum post that started this all got posted by the creator (Zi).
Re:The creators site is here
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stevey
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Re:The creators site is here
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evilpenguin
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What difficulties are you having? I run it all the time. I've installed both Fedora and Win2K under it.
It is important to keep in mind that bochs is an emulator. If you like VMWare, stick with it. Bochs isn't fast.
On the other hand, I've installed and run bochs on my Sparcbook, and it lets me run that win2K image on a Sparc machine. You can't do that with VMWare.
Re:The creators site is here
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Anonymous Coward
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I won't use bochs, tho.
qemu does dinamic translation instead of interpreter-based cpu emulation... and with the free as in beer but propietary qemu-accel module, it even does virtualization on the x86-on-x86 case!:D
Oblig. Family Guy
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logic+hack
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Hillbilly #1: Dangit, Buck, I wanna use the sex box.
Hillbilly #2: It's *my* sex box. And her name is Sony.
Emulated Linux.
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Anonymous Coward
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What an excelent idea! We don't need any sources anymore!
Re:RTFA ... DOS not Windows
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NanoGator
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"Then the photo with the Win95 boot screen is very misleading! Though why you would even want to run windows 95 on anything is beyond me."
PSP + Windows 95 == portable abandonware machine. I'd love to play the Space Quest games on it.
Back to reality, though, my laptop does that just fine and I don't travel much.
-- "Derp de derp."
PSP Os
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Anonymous Coward
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Does anyone know what OS the PSP runs? Is it a Sony proprietary OS, or some known embedded OS?
Re:PSP Os
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Anonymous Coward
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More to the point, what CPU has it got? Is win95 going to run slower than it did on my good old 486?
Re:PSP Os
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Anonymous Coward
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Consoles don't run operating systems. They run in raw mode for games. They only have a small loader, that's all.
Re:PSP Os
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Anonymous Coward
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According to this link, it runs Netbsd,or at least steals it's IP stack.
It has a MIPS R4000 processor as its main processor(if I recall correctly) underclocked at 222mhz. The software dictates its clock speed, which can be as high as 333mhz.
As of right now, I think it is actually slower than a 486 due to the emulation not being totally optimized. If it's possible tap into the graphics processor of the PSP I would expect a significant increase in performance.
Of the 32 megs of RAM in the system, when a game is playing, 8 are dedicated to the OS. Games can run many things that are in the OS, such as save/load, keyboard, network.
Those days are largely over. More complicated games require more abstraction from the hardware, and the hardware now has to manage TCP, wireless, memory sticks, etc. The resulting code starts looking a lot like an OS.
-- "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
Re:PSP Os
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Anonymous Coward
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Those services aren't provided by an OS, the SDK do. You could say that games link statically with something similar to an OS (libraries which provide basic services). I have programed the PS2 and you can beleave me, it hasn't an OS at all, games run totally raw.
Corsec67 says that the PSP is different but AFAIK, if that's true, PSP is the only one which has an OS embedded (nor NGC neither PS2 have OS, that's for sure).
Glad I bought the 1.50
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British
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· Score: 2, Interesting
It seems the PSP is doing more and more non-video game stuff, and i love it.
Now the question is when does that USB keyboard for it(makes it look like a blackberry) come out? That seems like an essential accessory to get with all these fun homebrew apps.
With wireless connectivity, that + keyboard would make a nice email checker when I'm at a coffee shop. Great timing since my Handspring Visor(which looks like a pong machine compared to my PSP) just went kaput.
Re:Glad I bought the 1.50
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Anonymous Coward
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There are already hacks out that allow you to use the cheapy irda keyboards meant for PDAs:
In windows, mouse handling is extremely difficult. I suspect it has something to do with the "boost" feature windows has. Once you get the mouse moving it will keep moving in that direction even when you're trying to move to a different direction. The solution is to counter the movement by moving to the opposite direction. It's sort of like trying to push the mouse the other way in order to stop it.
Wow, this sounds like a fun game in and of itself!:)
tiger
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Anonymous Coward
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if anyone is thinking of running OS X x86 it is not going to work, needs X86, it would only work if someone ported pearpc.
That's not the reason it won't work. PearPC provides a virtual PowerPC, that you then can install (PowerPC) OS X on, or any PowerPC OS. Bochs provides a virtual x86, that you then can install any x86 OS on, like (x86) OS X. (this is ignoring unknown challanges yet to be seen, but in theory...)
But you're not going to install OS X on the PSP because OS X requires a lot more memory than Windows 98, and the PSP doesn't have it.
-- "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
Re:I will BUY NIGER and BURN IT TO the GROUND!
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Cyblob
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Re:I will BUY NIGER and BURN IT TO the GROUND!
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Anonymous Coward
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Grammer? What's grammer? And how was my GRAMMAR incorrect exactly?
Re:RTFA ... DOS not Windows
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larry+bagina
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Look at Sarien, a sierra AGI interpreter. It plays the old classics (KQ 1-3, SQ, Leisure Suit Larry 1-3, etc). It doesn't appear to be ported to ported to the PSP (yet), but it is available for the dreamcast.
-- Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
The people you linked to are the worst scammers
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Busshy
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PSPUpdates.com are a company who are ripping off the homebrew scene with loads of ads/popups and free psp pyramid schemes that are exploiting those who dont know what they are.
Please stop linking to them:(
Emunnoobs has a dossier on these crooks and PSP Emulation News would be a much more legit site to look and post PSP Scene news.
Come on slashdot newsposters.
Re:The people you linked to are the worst scammers
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Anonymous Coward
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Don't blame the newsposters. Blame the editors who are getting paid to edit what the newsposters submit.
Unless by "newsposters", you meant the editors, in which case, carry on!:)
Re:How useful...
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Anonymous Coward
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It doesnt run linux, It emulates Linux
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scenestar
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this has been discussed before on the psplinux forums.
sure, it might seem if it runs, but the actual goal is to have linux run on the actual native psp APIs.
this is just a mere gimmick.
-- perpetually dwelling in the -1 pits
or...
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Anonymous Coward
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perhaps he secretly wanted to slashdot an evil site?;)
Another victory
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Anonymous Coward
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I think its fantastic that these guys have the committment to ensure that we're able to view our pron on absolutely every platform possible.
Other Systems
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BrianKStein
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Now, if you can emulate Windows or Linux, couldn't you theoreticly emulate (almost) and other game console? Once someone makes a reliable Nintendo DS emulator for Linux or Windows, there would be no need for the DS. Unless of course you wanted the extremely sexy dual screens, then you WOULD have to buy a DS. Shame, I was hoping for an All-In-One console.
I don't think it would work out well. Even if there wasn't any problem with the frame rate, you've only got one screen going on with the psp, and I don't know how you're supposed to pull off the DS effect. It's not just a matter of having the nifty screens, it's about how much you'd be missing without two of them, and even if you got them side by side on the psp screen I don't think it would look right.
Yeah, sure. Good luck fitting both of the DS's 256x192 displays onto the PSP's 480x272 screen (vertically too, exactly the way players and developers work with the DS in the first place), and accurately emulating the DS's touch screen.
Even if we're talking about a DS emulator for a desktop computer and not the PSP, it's just not going to be the same. Sure, you can sorta emulate the DS touch screen simply by displaying its screen on your monitor and interacting with it using the mouse, but it doesn't emulate the experience of actually "touching" and directly manipulating what you see within the game itself. With a mouse, you end up with extra layers between yourself and the game - moving a mouse to move a cursor to point at something, in addition to pressing/releasing a button to touch/untouch the screen. It just doesn't have the same natural feel of using an actual DS... doing things such as tossing a frisbee to a puppy in Nintendogs (via touching the frisbee and sorta "flicking it" with the stylus), or frantically going all over the screen sliding tiles up and down in Meteos, or quickly drawing different shapes in Pac-Pix.
if you can emulate Windows or Linux, couldn't you theoreticly emulate (almost) and other game console?
If you've got a system that has a hard time running Windows 95, you don't have enough effective speed to run most other game consoles under it. You might be able to run an Atari 2600 or maybe an NES, but not the SNES. Emulating a Nintendo DS or any other recent console is going to take eleet programming to run well on even the newest hardware, much less a recent console. Don't even think about trying to run it under another layer of emulation; it's just not going to work.
"Unless of course you wanted the extremely sexy dual screens, then you WOULD have to buy a DS. Shame, I was hoping for an All-In-One console."
Or unless you wanted a working touchscreen, a built-in microphone, and the ability to play ad-hoc or WiFi games against other DS owners. Or a framerate higher than 2 fps. Other than that, you'd be good.;)
Yeah, excellent points. My favorite games for the DS right now are Meteos and Kirby's Canvas Curse, and I just can't imagine playing any of them in emulation (certainly not on a PSP, but not on a PC either with the mouse being used to emulate the stylus). It just wouldn't be the same.
Why, it's easy! Just hack the PSP to support USB graphics tablets! That way you can use them in the Bochs emulation, and in turn you can then use it, in turn, in the DS emulation!
Though, let's see... A PSP, a really slow PC emulator running a really slow DS emulator, plus a graphics tablet... hmm, that sounds like a really expensive and really slow way of playing DS games, not to even mention a clumsy one. Warioware at 1 frame per minute, all in a neat travel-compact form! (People sometimes find people playing WarioWare amusing to watch. Undoubtedly, PSP folks want to top that.)
But then again, PSP fans burn incredible amount of money on crazy stuff like this. =)
Re:Other Systems
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Actually, it is much more CPU intensive to emulate the Atari 2600 than the SNES. And most modern NES emulators run much slower than ZSnes. Even the speedy NES emulators, like Nesticle and Loopynes will far too slow to even consider. This is Bochs we're talking about here, and on a High-Speed pentium 4, you can't get a decent framerate even in the fastest emulators.
Re:Other Systems
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not to feed the parent, but if you turn the psp sideways, both screens will fit tiled horizontally.
Re:Who TF Cares?!?!?!?!
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Maby you're new here...
We here at slashdot are nerds... now i'm a mac fan and love macs to death, but Bochs on PSP is damn cool. I think you need to go discover AvrilLavigne.net or some other pop culture portal, perhaps MTV.com... you're clearly in the wrong place.
Another thing.. bashing Linux here usually gets tagged as flamebait... if you want to garner any respect, you'll likely have to not bash Linux unless you're posting in an article itself pointing out a Linux flaw.
Lastly, spelling and spacing are important... : it's Linux, not Liinux, and it's mongooses, not mongeese. People respect you when you spell, punctuate, and speak with care.
Re:Who TF Cares?!?!?!?!
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Anonymous Coward
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I know you have a high user account, in the 600k range, and probably don't know much about how slashdot really runs, but a bit of advice: Lecturing somebody who's been here years longer then you is generally not a good idea. If you want to garner any respect, you might try to learn that "if somebody is making a joke that you don't understand, you should probably keep your mouth shut".
Re:Seriously.. why is this news?
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Because it took somebody with smarts to put a lot of work in, and now we all benefit, even those of us without a PSP. And buddy deserves the recognition, it's a lot of what keeps them going.
-- "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
Re:Who TF Cares?!?!?!?!
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Anonymous Coward
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Lastly, spelling and spacing are important
Maby you should take your own advice. Just maby.
(p.s. It's "maybe", dumbass)
Re:Who TF Cares?!?!?!?!
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I can answer that -- I'm the fucking mongoose, and I run Linux.
OSX is for fags dude
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OSX s for fags dude
Hoe did they write the emulator so quickly?
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Don't most emulators (or ports of emulators) take a very long time to do? (for example the PSX emulator ePSXe still isn't complete, even after the PSone is far outdated)
Couldn't Linux be compiled to run natively on the PSP?
Re:Who TF Cares?!?!?!?!
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Do/. a favor and never write a post like that again.
What about the Nintendo DS and the ScummVM Port
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Busshy
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The ScummVM Port for the Nintendo DS is probably bigger news than this and works perfect, heres the ScummVM Port link.
Re:How useful...
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Fuck off. No, really.
We're sick and tired of your lame attempts to drum up traffic to your shitty website by spamming Slashdot comments.
Spamming scum like you are the lowest of the low, happily pissing in the communal well because you think it might get you a couple more hits on your low-rent tedious site.
The best bit it that you've picked the most retarded choice of target - Slashdot is generally frequented by technical types, and we're exactly the types who:
Know every lowlife spammer trick currently in use
Are constantly on guard against spamming fuckwits like you
Are likely to react strongly against spam and obnoxious advertising in general
Aren't fooled for a second by a tiny selection of sock-puppet accounts, and
Have the technical wherewithall to find out who owns your site, who provides the hosting, who's your technical or abuse contact, and exactly how to take the fucking thing off-line if it gets annoying enough
In short, you're not doing yourself any favours by spamming anywhere, but most especially here. You're more likely to just get yourself boycotted or DOSed than to get a massive amount of traffic, and the majority of people I know who've noticed your spam have already boycotted your site.
In short (for anyone who hasn't already realised), OVERHEARDINTHEUK.COM is conducting a spam advertising campaign - please mod down any posts by the accounts mentioned in the previous sibling post, and do not under any circumstances visit OVERHEARDINTHEUK.COM, unless you happen to have a spare botnet kicking around with nothing better to do...
Many thanks for your time.
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at least in my experience, they report only on hacks, not pirate releases (like "someone hacked the tenchi browser, and extracted it from the game"), but their forums are well moderated (anyone even asking where to find the former example was moderated out, for instance).
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Re:What about the Nintendo DS and the ScummVM Port
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ScummVM is ported to the PSP too. It works really good on the big PSP screen.
And I'd say that running an x86 emulator is quite a bit more neat than running a homebrew app. It's just not as useful.;-)
So How long for A blue screen of Death?
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So If you can run windows on it, how long before someone can post a screen shot of a Blue screen of death?
and wheres the "Ctrl+Alt+Del" key?
and those of us who don't wanna get that involved
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Everyone in America should consider themselves lucky with their NTSC signal.
Thank God things have changed now, but in the days on FFVII all we got were squashed pictures and 5/6ths of the original speed, bevause of the differences in resolution and framerate.
Heck, they didn't even give a shit about the in-game clock, which meant if you had 50 Hours on your clock, your real play-time was 60 hours.
So, to ask the obvious question... How long will we have to wait before the PSP runs OS X Tiger?
Would it be so difficult to actually edit the story blurbs? You know... capitalize the beginning of a sentence? Add a couple spaces?
Now all they need to do is make a psp emulator for windows and the cycle shall be complete.
Emulate x86 on a psp running windows and then emulate a psp on it and so on!
Although it may cause one of those universe destroying events.
Perhaps Cthulu will rise by running them recursively.
Can we get Qemu, at least?
I can think of a few interesting things I'd like to do with that wifi card.
Normality is now: overrated.
Impressive, but nowhere does it say how fast this thing is. What excactly do you end up with? A 486 speed pc at best?
I'd tap it. The PSP is looking more tasty every day and now you can run linux on it w00t.
Yes! now I can play minesweeper and solitare on my PSP running windows 95.
... signature ...
plus the bonus underwater level, i've heard its all blue with some white text.
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It can run linux. Now you can stop asking.
This won't work for anyone that has upgraded their PSP to anything above 1.0 of the Firmware. A little detail that got left out of the article..
-=*(CC)*=-
Windows 95 == DOS + GUI
You can see Win95 run on the screenshot, unless it photoshopping.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
For a while I thought that run.linux was the name of a new distro. You submitters, with your odd grammar ways...
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
This is awesome! I can't wait to play DOS with the D-Pad and fire buttons!
"Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"
Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
Then the photo with the Win95 boot screen is very misleading! Though why you would even want to run windows 95 on anything is beyond me.
http://www.hacker.co.il/psp/bochs/
Well done, you've managed to post a link to a site that has nothing to do with the creator and is widely despised in the PSP community, nevermind being full of pop-ups and ads.
Hillbilly #1: Dangit, Buck, I wanna use the sex box.
Hillbilly #2: It's *my* sex box. And her name is Sony.
What an excelent idea! We don't need any sources anymore!
"Then the photo with the Win95 boot screen is very misleading! Though why you would even want to run windows 95 on anything is beyond me."
PSP + Windows 95 == portable abandonware machine. I'd love to play the Space Quest games on it.
Back to reality, though, my laptop does that just fine and I don't travel much.
"Derp de derp."
Does anyone know what OS the PSP runs? Is it a Sony proprietary OS, or some known embedded OS?
It seems the PSP is doing more and more non-video game stuff, and i love it.
Now the question is when does that USB keyboard for it(makes it look like a blackberry) come out? That seems like an essential accessory to get with all these fun homebrew apps.
With wireless connectivity, that + keyboard would make a nice email checker when I'm at a coffee shop. Great timing since my Handspring Visor(which looks like a pong machine compared to my PSP) just went kaput.
"The story title is incorrect. The emulator runs DOS and not Windows. Its not as easy to get Windows running on PSP I guess."
Step 1) Click link.
Step 2) Remove head from ass.
"Derp de derp."
From http://www.hacker.co.il/psp/bochs/:
:)
In windows, mouse handling is extremely difficult. I suspect it has something to do with the "boost" feature windows has. Once you get the mouse moving it will keep moving in that direction even when you're trying to move to a different direction. The solution is to counter the movement by moving to the opposite direction. It's sort of like trying to push the mouse the other way in order to stop it.
Wow, this sounds like a fun game in and of itself!
if anyone is thinking of running OS X x86 it is not going to work, needs X86, it would only work if someone ported pearpc.
Grammer once again slips at /.
Too bad PINE is not an emulator.
Grammer? What's grammer? And how was my GRAMMAR incorrect exactly?
Look at Sarien, a sierra AGI interpreter. It plays the old classics (KQ 1-3, SQ, Leisure Suit Larry 1-3, etc). It doesn't appear to be ported to ported to the PSP (yet), but it is available for the dreamcast.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
PSPUpdates.com are a company who are ripping off the homebrew scene with loads of ads/popups and free psp pyramid schemes that are exploiting those who dont know what they are. Please stop linking to them :(
Emunnoobs has a dossier on these crooks and PSP Emulation News would be a much more legit site to look and post PSP Scene news.
Come on slashdot newsposters.
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this has been discussed before on the psplinux forums.
sure, it might seem if it runs, but the actual goal is to have linux run on the actual native psp APIs.
this is just a mere gimmick.
perpetually dwelling in the -1 pits
perhaps he secretly wanted to slashdot an evil site? ;)
I think its fantastic that these guys have the committment to ensure that we're able to view our pron on absolutely every platform possible.
Now, if you can emulate Windows or Linux, couldn't you theoreticly emulate (almost) and other game console? Once someone makes a reliable Nintendo DS emulator for Linux or Windows, there would be no need for the DS. Unless of course you wanted the extremely sexy dual screens, then you WOULD have to buy a DS. Shame, I was hoping for an All-In-One console.
Screw that, does it run NetBSD? That shit even runs on your toaster now.
Joo pwned him lolz
The most constructive use for a PSP yeT? THis is cool. Does Xorg run yet?
Show this to your friends and family that don't know what a real hacker is
Because it's NEWS FOR NERDS, retard.
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
Maby you're new here...
We here at slashdot are nerds... now i'm a mac fan and love macs to death, but Bochs on PSP is damn cool. I think you need to go discover AvrilLavigne.net or some other pop culture portal, perhaps MTV.com... you're clearly in the wrong place.
Another thing.. bashing Linux here usually gets tagged as flamebait... if you want to garner any respect, you'll likely have to not bash Linux unless you're posting in an article itself pointing out a Linux flaw.
Lastly, spelling and spacing are important... : it's Linux, not Liinux, and it's mongooses, not mongeese. People respect you when you spell, punctuate, and speak with care.
I know you have a high user account, in the 600k range, and probably don't know much about how slashdot really runs, but a bit of advice: Lecturing somebody who's been here years longer then you is generally not a good idea. If you want to garner any respect, you might try to learn that "if somebody is making a joke that you don't understand, you should probably keep your mouth shut".
Because it took somebody with smarts to put a lot of work in, and now we all benefit, even those of us without a PSP. And buddy deserves the recognition, it's a lot of what keeps them going.
"A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
Lastly, spelling and spacing are important
Maby you should take your own advice. Just maby.
(p.s. It's "maybe", dumbass)
I can answer that -- I'm the fucking mongoose, and I run Linux.
...we get working on something that runs natively on the PSP's architechure. I'm not genius, but how hard can it be to port l1nuX to a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture.
... is if you could remaster Damn Small Linux, INSERT, or another small Linux Live CD distro to boot from UMD. Those discs are ISO 9660, right?
So have they gotten osx to work on it yet?
OSX s for fags dude
Don't most emulators (or ports of emulators) take a very long time to do? (for example the PSX emulator ePSXe still isn't complete, even after the PSone is far outdated)
can it emulate an xbox?
Couldn't Linux be compiled to run natively on the PSP?
Do /. a favor and never write a post like that again.
The ScummVM Port for the Nintendo DS is probably bigger news than this and works perfect, heres the ScummVM Port link.
We're sick and tired of your lame attempts to drum up traffic to your shitty website by spamming Slashdot comments.
Spamming scum like you are the lowest of the low, happily pissing in the communal well because you think it might get you a couple more hits on your low-rent tedious site.
The best bit it that you've picked the most retarded choice of target - Slashdot is generally frequented by technical types, and we're exactly the types who:
In short, you're not doing yourself any favours by spamming anywhere, but most especially here. You're more likely to just get yourself boycotted or DOSed than to get a massive amount of traffic, and the majority of people I know who've noticed your spam have already boycotted your site.
In short (for anyone who hasn't already realised), OVERHEARDINTHEUK.COM is conducting a spam advertising campaign - please mod down any posts by the accounts mentioned in the previous sibling post, and do not under any circumstances visit OVERHEARDINTHEUK.COM, unless you happen to have a spare botnet kicking around with nothing better to do...
Many thanks for your time.
Everything in moderation, including moderation itself
at least in my experience, they report only on hacks, not pirate releases (like "someone hacked the tenchi browser, and extracted it from the game"), but their forums are well moderated (anyone even asking where to find the former example was moderated out, for instance).
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
ScummVM is ported to the PSP too. It works really good on the big PSP screen.
;-)
And I'd say that running an x86 emulator is quite a bit more neat than running a homebrew app. It's just not as useful.
So If you can run windows on it, how long before someone can post a screen shot of a Blue screen of death?
and wheres the "Ctrl+Alt+Del" key?
will still fark around with your picture for fun...
it's mongooses, not mongeese.
Everybody knows that the plural of mongoose is polygoose.
like X-com had very modest system requirements and can make use of a PSP's control setup nicely.
I am not a programmer. I would hope some brave soul out there would tackle this challenge.
I played X-com on my PS1 a long time ago. I'd like the idea of such a fun game coming back around for the PSP.
-- What's this '-r *' file doing here? -- Oh well, a simple 'rm' should do the trick.
Everyone in America should consider themselves lucky with their NTSC signal.
Thank God things have changed now, but in the days on FFVII all we got were squashed pictures and 5/6ths of the original speed, bevause of the differences in resolution and framerate.
Heck, they didn't even give a shit about the in-game clock, which meant if you had 50 Hours on your clock, your real play-time was 60 hours.
Why not port NATIVE NT to this thing? I seem to remember that it ran on MIPS 4000 chips? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT/