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Jamming Cellphones with Text Messages

Steve writes "Some Penn State professors and students have published a way to jam cellular voice service with simple text messages. From the article: 'Because text messages are transmitted on the same signal that is used to set up voice calls, just 165 messages a second is enough to disrupt all cellphones in Manhattan.' Cellular providers, of course, fired back, one stating that it 'constantly and aggressively monitors potential threats to the integrity and security of its network.'"

276 comments

  1. One problem. by Musteval · · Score: 4, Interesting

    165 messages a second would cost you about ten thousand dollars a minute, at the prices the cell companies charge.

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    1. Re:One problem. by koh · · Score: 0

      So we got two problems, not only do the protocols not scale well, but the prices as well...

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    2. Re:One problem. by jerw134 · · Score: 3, Informative

      $990/minute, assuming a charge of 10 cents per message.

    3. Re:One problem. by evildogeye · · Score: 1

      Well, at 10 cents a message I think this would cost around $520 million per year. Quiet an expensive DOS.

    4. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      165 messages a second would cost you about ten thousand dollars a minute, at the prices the cell companies charge.

      Many people have plans with unlimited text messaging for $5 or $10 per month.

    5. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quiet!!!

    6. Re:One problem. by rm999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't they offer unlimited text messages for some sort of fee? Also, there are online services that allow you to send out text messages for free (i think you can do it by e-mail)

    7. Re:One problem. by red_kenotic · · Score: 1

      Need to fine a number to text! If only i wasn't a geek.

    8. Re:One problem. by maxrate · · Score: 2, Informative
      You can send text messages for free via e-mail, recieving is usually free too.

    9. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So how much would it cost at 0 cent per minute ?

    10. Re:One problem. by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1, Redundant

      This explains alot around here.
      Did you get all of that? Can you still hear me?

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    11. Re:One problem. by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny
      $990/minute, assuming a charge of 10 cents per message.

      Ch-rist! For that price, I could have a dozen women heavy breathing on my cellphone, telling me how much they love it when I do that to them!

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    12. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Hmm.. I've often thought that there should be laws against SMS spam - I wonder if a bot sending a few hundred thousand messages to various lawmakers would convince them such an idea has merit? :o)
      </thought >

    13. Re:One problem. by LocoMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wonder how long until they add a capcha thing to that one (if they haven't already, don't have any number handy to try it). My cell phone provider here in Venezuela have had a simmilar system for a while on their website, but recently lots of people started using it to spam so they added a capcha system a few months ago (and a bit annoying one at that, you not only have to read the numbers but also input them by clicking on a keypad that shows up on the page where the numbers appear in random locations on it).

    14. Re:One problem. by kd5ujz · · Score: 1, Informative

      true, and if other providers are like cingular, you can just write a script to go through a given range of telephone prefixes. with cingular, an email to 1231231234@my.cingular.com will result in a text message being sent to 123-123-1234's cell phone.

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    15. Re:One problem. by joey_knisch · · Score: 0

      What retardicon labled the first message as redundant?

      Seriouly. Sometimes I wonder.

    16. Re:One problem. by Urza9814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, no...I have a plugin for firefox that lets me send free text messages...it works, I've used it...I think it's from google actually, not sure about that though.

    17. Re:One problem. by kisielk · · Score: 1

      If you are sending the text message by email, eg: #########@carrier.com the carriers are the ones who will be sending out the message to the phone, I would think that they are smart enough to control the number of text messages sent by the service.

    18. Re:One problem. by pyro_dude · · Score: 1

      Is it just me or isn't it obvious that the terrorists who take out the NYC and / or other metropolitan area cell phone networks, disrupting the economy, will not be around when the cell phone bill arrives, or at least bankruptcy isn't their #1 worry? If terrorists crashed planes into tall towers without worrying about commands from ground control, how are they going to worry about per-message SMS charges when attacking major economic hubs?

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    19. Re:One problem. by alc6379 · · Score: 2, Informative
      true, and if other providers are like cingular, you can just write a script to go through a given range of telephone prefixes. with cingular, an email to 1231231234@my.cingular.com will result in a text message being sent to 123-123-1234's cell phone.

      While it is technically feasible that this could be done, implementing an anti-spam filter, or similar, on the mail address in question. While everything is still going through a server (and I'm sure similar solutions can/will exist for SMS), whether it's email or SMS, I'm pretty confident that a modern IDS could already help if someone tried to do this by emailing a phone.

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    20. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you obviously didn't read the paper. The whole point here is that connecting physicalish networks (cell phones) to the internet is dangerous. So... those SMS messages come from... the intarweb!!! Almost everyone provides an email to SMS gateway. Use that, don't pay. Phones are limited by upload bandwidth anyway, unlike your cable modem, which is waaay faster.

    21. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Receiving text messages is not free without a special package on any of the major US carriers.

    22. Re:One problem. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I think there are laws against it, at least in Europe.

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    23. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      for that price, you probably could have a dozen women breathing heavily on _you_ rather than just your phone, and _still_ tell you how much they love it.

    24. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10 cents!? Is that all you yanks get charged?

      Over here in the UK they are charging the equivalent of 18 cents (on regular pas-as-you-go tarrifs without any fancy extras)!

    25. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It costs you nothing. If you install AIM you can sent an instant message to +1ABCDEFGHIJ and it'll go to area code ABC telephone number DEF-GHIJ.

      It may cost the peron recieveing the text some money ;-)

  2. Macslash fans plz read.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    macslash's gone cold I'm wondering why I got out of bed at all
    The morning rain clouds up my window and I can't see at all
    And even if I could it'll all be gray but your picture on my wall
    It reminds me, that it's not so bad -- it's not so bad

    Dear Ben, I wrote but you still ain't callin
    I left my email, my ICQ, and my yahoo chat at the bottom
    I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
    There probably was a problem with your mail.app or somethin
    Sometimes I scribble email addees too sloppy when I jot 'em
    but anyways; fsck it, what's been up? Man how's your boxes?
    My boxes is mac too, I'm bout to be a compiler
    once I learn gcc,
    I'ma go on and compile for hours
    I read about your Palm Pilot too I'm sorry
    I had a friend lose his Palm over at the airport in Maradonna
    I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
    I even read all your bullshit Mac news and Microsoft's man
    I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
    I like the way you sold your ass out too, that shit was fat
    Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
    just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
    This is Aaron

    Dear Ben, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
    I ain't mad - I just think it's FSCKED UP you don't answer fans
    If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your Mac World
    you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
    That's my Senior sys admin he's only 26 years old
    We waited on a 9600 baud for you,
    four hours and you just said, "No."
    That's pretty shitty man - you're like his fsckin idol
    He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
    I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
    Remember when we met in Boston - you said if I'd write you
    you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
    I never had a clue about shit either
    I gcc'd shit with my wife then beat her
    I can relate to what you're saying in your page
    so when I feel like rmusering I read macslash to begin the rage
    cause I don't really got shit else so that shit helps when I'm depressed
    I even got a tattoo of macslash across the chest
    Sometimes I even packet myself to see how much it floods
    It's like adrenaline, the DDoS is such a sudden rush of blood
    See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
    My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
    But she don't know you like I know you Ben, no one does
    She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
    You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
    Sincerely yours, Aaron -- P.S.
    We should be together too

    Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Waste-A-Packet-On-My-Fans,
    this'll be the last packet I ever send your ass
    It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
    I know you got my last two emails
    I wrote the @ signs on 'em perfect
    So this is my payload I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
    I'm on my modem now, I'm doing 9600 baud so fear it
    Hey Ben, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to code?
    You know the song by Deep Purple or Slayer
    its irrelevant by playing on my linux player
    while I write some php scripts and play some Dragonslayer
    That's kinda how shit is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
    Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downloads now, I'm drowsy
    and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
    I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
    I love you Ben, we coulda been together, think about it
    You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
    And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
    I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
    See Ben {*screaming*} Shut up bitch! I'm tryin to code
    Hey Ben, that's my senior admin screamin from the comode
    but I didn't cut the power off, I just rebooted, see I ain't like you
    cause if rm -rf'd we'd suffer more, and then the boxes die too
    Well, gotta go,

  3. What flavour? by S.O.B. · · Score: 0

    Would that be raspberry jam?

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    1. Re:What flavour? by spyder913 · · Score: 0

      Sir, we've been jammed.
      What kind of jam?
      Tastes like strawberry, sir.
      Strawberry jam? There's only one man that uses strawberry jam. LONESTAR!!!

    2. Re:What flavour? by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      I knew someone would get the Spaceballs reference.

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    3. Re:What flavour? by andrewagill · · Score: 2, Funny

      RADAR TECH. Sir. The radar, sir. It appears to be....
      Jam starts dripping down the screen.
      RADAR TECH. ....jammed.
      HELMET Jammed? (takes a taste of the jam) Raspberry. There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry. (pulls down mask) Lone Starr!
      CAMERA hits HELMET. HELMET falls backwards.

    4. Re:What flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it's raspberry.

      "Only one person would DARE give me the raspberry..."

    5. Re:What flavour? by spyder913 · · Score: 1

      thanks, I was too busy to look up the real quote and I knew mine was wrong =)

    6. Re:What flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir. The radar, sir. It appears to be... jammed!
      Jammed! Raspberry. There's only one man who would DARE give me the raspberry. LONE STAR!

  4. Expensive by opusman · · Score: 0, Redundant

    At 25 cents per text message that will add up pretty quickly!

    1. Re:Expensive by Anakron · · Score: 1

      They're sending the messages through the internet - through some sort of gateway. Do you still have to pay for that?

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    2. Re:Expensive by coolcyber · · Score: 0

      Payment is dependent on the type of service the receiver has if ur sending from net. if u want to send an sms msg to ur cell, send a mail from ur mail account to ur "cellnumber@providermailid.com/net/etc". the provider mail id varies and most of the time its not same as the provider name. For cingular its cellnumber@MMODE.com.

    3. Re:Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      For cingular its cellnumber@MMODE.com.
      Incidentally, T-Mobile's is cellnumber@tmomail.net, and they have some sort of spam filtering set up. MailShield, I think.
    4. Re:Expensive by Khyber · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In some cases, cellular services charge for receiveing and transmitting text messages, simply because it's using up their bandwidth available for routing calls/connecting calls. Cingular is an example, and that's coming from the Cingular customer sitting next to me telling me about this. Never seen the bill, but I've heard of the price. $0.10 a message, incoming or outgoing.

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    5. Re:Expensive by hey! · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, and piloting an airliner into a building leaves you dead. So we don't worry about that, do we?

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    6. Re:Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because security in America wasn't beefed up after 9/11...

  5. 165 msgs a sec OR by maxrate · · Score: 1

    You could send 165 text messages a second OR you could keep calling the phone you want to disrupt!

    1. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by Anakron · · Score: 1

      You're not jamming one phone. 165 messages/sec can take out all of Manhattan. Or so they claim, anyway

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    2. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could send 165 text messages a second OR you could keep calling the phone you want to disrupt!

      Except this isn't about disrupting one phone - this is about disrupting the entire regional network. Just the sort thing a criminal or terrorist might want to do during or in the wake of some mal-behavior. So it costs a bunch to send those messages? So what? Bad guys can have some real (or fraudulant) financial resources when that's part of their plan.

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    3. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So it costs a bunch to send those messages? So what? Bad guys can have some real (or fraudulant) financial resources when that's part of their plan.

      1) Sign cell phone contract with monthly billing.
      2) Send massive amounts of text messages.
      3) Blow self up.
      4) Don't care if phone bill is high at end of month - having too much fun with the 72 virgins.
      5) ...
      6) Profit?

    4. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by PickyH3D · · Score: 1

      165 messages blocks the network, not a phone.

    5. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Funny

      6) Profit?

      Don't you mean "Prophet?"

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    6. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by maxrate · · Score: 2, Informative
      Think about it - usually text messages are a max of 200 characters a message X 165 / sec = 33,000 characters a second. 33,000 DIVIDED by 1024 (1k) = 32K/sec of bandwidth. The average telephone call consumes about 19.2K/sec maximum (after compression, so yes a voice circuit can use a heck of a lot less, I believe they say the average duplexing and use of a bi-directional voice link bandwidth efficiency is about 60% as a rule of thunmb --- the consumption of bandwidth generally, meaning at least 40 percent of a call is wasted circuit switched bandwidth on average). So let's say the bandwidth of 165 200 character text messages a second is like the bandwidth of a maximum of 2 to 4 simultanous telephone calls. If you think 2 to 4 simultaneous telephone calls will take down a cellular network, the thing would have stopped working a long time ago.

      I'm sure there are at least 165 text messages being sent every second already.

      Yes I do know there are store and forwarding to consider/routing etc, however I find this unlikely.

    7. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you think 2 to 4 simultaneous telephone calls will take down a cellular network, the thing would have stopped working a long time ago.

      But... I think it's not the vox bandwidth - it's that part of the system that manages the call overhead (per the summary, the part of the system that "sets up" the calls). I believe that housekeeping does indeed take place in a smaller, and separate piece of the spectrum and the network's plumbing. Of course, IANATE (I am not a telecommunications engineer). Text messaging piggy-backs on the data that keeps the system and the phones aware of each other - long before a call (and the related bandwidth) is actually assigned to an user that dials/answers. This would be when someone who works for Verizon or Spring would anonymously chime. We can hear you now, good.

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    8. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      It doesn't help to just be able to think. You see, you also need to be able to read and UNDERSTAND.

      Go back and read the article and see how you wasted all your time on your post for absolutely nothing because you're wrong.

    9. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      that would be 33KB verses 19.2Kb. one character= 1 byte.

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    10. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by spitefulcrow · · Score: 1

      Please go RTFA again. This wouldn't be a problem if text messages were transmitted over the voice channels like an intelligent network design would do. Unfortunately, cellular networks currently transmit SMS over the control channels. One cell has a very small number of control channels compared to the voice channels available (which makes sense when you think about it). Control channels are intended to be used to set up a call to/from a handset, and then the actual call is transmitted over one of the voice channels using the multiple-access scheme the network was designed with, so a single base station can theoretically handle a few hundred handsets making voice calls. Sending 165 SMS messages per second to a specific region would flood the control channels so that they couldn't perform their main function of setting up voice "circuits".

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    11. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by cgenman · · Score: 1

      It seems like cellular phone networks always go down after an attack anyway. They also go down at big events. They go down when people are let out of a football game. They go down because it snowed. In New York, they go down when you turn the corner.

      I don't know why a terrorist would need to do additional stuff to disrupt a cellphone network after an attack: Any event of note would be enough to take care of that.

    12. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and its not like anyone ever hacked a phone system to access free bandwidth...

    13. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by maxrate · · Score: 1

      I didn't explain what I was truley getting at properly, my bad. I've replied to someone else with the subject heading of OK. In a nutshell, I don't believe the article for a number of reasons. Althought it is tecnically possible, it is not likely - and who have happened already. Basically the control channel is precious - no quesiton. However SMS messages are only put in as second class traffic, when the channel is not busy. There is a queue, and only if impropely configured, the channel couldn't get so busy from SMS traffic alone where the voice signalling would be impeded so badly where calls could not be placed or accepted.

    14. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by maxrate · · Score: 1

      I knew someone would catch that :)

    15. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by Afty0r · · Score: 1
      this is about disrupting the entire regional network. Just the sort thing a criminal or terrorist might want to do during or in the wake of some mal-behavior
      It is now standard practice for the government here in the UK to shut down the mobile phone network (for the public) in the UK after a terrorist incident in a large area surrounding the scene... no need for the terrorists to do it when our elected officials are busy creating havoc.
    16. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, IANATE (I am not a telecommunications engineer)


      Isn't it silly to use an acronym nobody would know, then spell it out?

    17. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      The problem is that SMS was never designed for this. Originally, SMS was added as a way of sending out-of-band data to let a 'phone know when there was voicemail waiting. It was never intended to be used for customer to customer communication. The networks, however, thought that it would be useful if people could use their 'phone as a replacement for a pager, so they allowed people to send SMS as well as receive it[1]. This was fine when only business users had mobiles - SMS was occasionally used, but not heavily. Then, angsty teens got hold of them, and decided they preferred sending a 160 character SMS to actually talking to someone (even though each SMS costs about as much as a minute of conversation, and works out at about £500/MB), causing the traffic to skyrocket.

      [1] Note that in Japan, no one uses SMS - they all use SMTP instead, since all Japanese 'phones come with a mail client and they pay very little for bandwidth, so this problem doesn't affect them.

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    18. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      They did not shut down the telephone network, they prioritised 999 (emergency services for any Americans reading this) calls and dropped all other traffic. If this system were able to work in such a situation (unlikely, since all non-essentail traffic was being dropped), then it could disrupt peoples ability to contact the emergency services. This could have a serious effect on their ability to respond to a terrorist attack.

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    19. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      this is about disrupting the entire regional network. Just the sort thing a criminal or terrorist might want to do during or in the wake of some mal-behavior

      If I see a suicide bomber about to go bang I would want to disrupt the GSM network to prevent the fire command from getting through.

      I wonder if a portable tool could be developed for this purpose. Stop messages from getting through to a phone within 10 metres or so.

    20. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by Davian · · Score: 1

      Given the U.S government's history of terrorist activities (overthrowing democratically elected regimes ... Iran in 1953, Chile in 1972 to name a few) and assorted dodginess such as suspension of habeas corpus (Guantanamo Bay) for those who are not as equal as others, it is more likely that Bush and co. might try to do something as nasty as this instead of a muslim guerilla would want to.

    21. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      it is more likely that Bush and co. might try to do something as nasty as this instead of a muslim guerilla would want to

      Oh, please. In the US, the operators of wireless telecomm services (such as mobile phones) are already prepared, at a moment's notice, to take a call from the state or federal government and clamp down on services. That can be done if it's suspected that some imminent threat is going to rely on those services (like for bomb detonation), or can be done to prevent overuse (and thus crippling) of the system in an emergency when other traffic may need the bandwidth in carrying out their tasks (rescue, etc.).

      You don't need to dream up some tin-foil-lined, black-helicopter-populated world for that to happen, that capability and legal authority are deliberately built into the system.

      The article we're talking about, here, relates to people who should not have that capability still being able to stop the system in its tracks. There is no constructive use for that ability - it's a vulnerability.

      And... "muslim guerilla"? Is that what they call people who blow up innocent civilians dining in restaurants these days? Gosh, it sounds so noble. Just like Che! I just have to have the t-shirt. What do you call it when they're blowing up other Muslims in mosques? Would those be "Sunni Guerillas" fighting the good fight against those evil Shia and Kurds? I guess the Sunnis were only the bad guys when Saddam was running a murderous minority thug-ocracy composed of them, and killing the other flavor of Muslims by the hundreds of thousands. Then, since he was deposed, the Sunnis are now the Noble Guerillas, just like the proud Destroyers Of Restaurants in Bali?

      suspension of habeas corpus (Guantanamo Bay)

      Well, since you're such a student of US law, I guess you're just making a joke. Otherwise you'd know that habeas corpus scarcely applies to someone who's caught shooting at US troops or rigging up roadside explosives in Afghanistan. Or, you know, a rich kid jihaddi adventurer from Syria, Jordan, or Yemen with his parent's cash in his pocket, looking to slaughter Polish or Italian troops protecting, say, a brand new water pumping station near a school in Bagdhad. These aren't US citizens that can point to their ownership of the US constitution (remember: "Democracy Is Evil and Un-Islamic!" - this according to the head "Muslim guerilla" and Bin Laden Boy in Iraq, Zarqawi), and they're not uniformed troops subject to the Geneva Convention. They're terrorists, plain and simple. They've got cash from families in Saudi Arabia, weapons and explosives obtained from Iran, and absolutely no respect for any rule of law except that which they'd like to see established by the great Pan-Arab caliphate that their movement seeks to establish across the world. When we lay hands on one of these clowns, someone who spits on anything resembling the Geneva conventions, but who also knows who is contacts and financial/technical sponsors are... what, attorney/client privilege? They're combatants. Their buddies are still out there busily killing civilians (you know - like crowds of police cadets or school kids - nice!), and anyone with a vested interest in democracy in that part of the world has to see the merit in getting them out of circulation, and under the sort of leverage that lets us learn things. Like, where they get their cash. Who builds their backpack bombs, how they're communicating with their connections in Iran and Syria. What buildings are being used to store weapons. There's a big difference between domestic criminals, uniformed troops, and free-lance border-traversing terrorist jihaddis.

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    22. Re:165 msgs a sec OR by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 1

      HE WILL RETURN!

  6. u r hot by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

    165 times a second? Beauty.

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    1. Re:u r hot by rk87 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Easy enough, about 3 or 4 japanese school girls should be able to send a sustained rate of 180 messages a second.

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    2. Re:u r hot by SeekerDarksteel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but lets face it. There are so much better things to do with 3 or 4 japanese school girls than text messages.

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    3. Re:u r hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. You're right... and I'd prolly be sending 180 tps (texts per second) telling my mates about it afterwards.

    4. Re:u r hot by briancurtin · · Score: 0

      i love how this was modded as "insightful"

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    5. Re:u r hot by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      "Yeah, but lets face it. There are so much better things to do with 3 or 4 japanese school girls than text messages." You know, I have this sneaky suspicion that you're talking about having them all help you build a big beowulf cluster. And no, that wasn't an innuendo. we're GEEKS, MAN!

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  7. BugMeNot by MankyD · · Score: 1

    So you don't have to give up your first born:

    NY Times Registration

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    1. Re:BugMeNot by m85476585 · · Score: 1

      The first 15 I tried didn't work.

  8. Blackberry jam by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Funny

    more like!

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    1. Re:Blackberry jam by MiKM · · Score: 1

      Only Lone Star would dare Blackberry jam me!

    2. Re:Blackberry jam by TetryonX · · Score: 1

      Wow. So wrong. It's Rasberry.

      Go watch Spaceballs again. Thanks.

      Get that damn PDA off your mind!

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  9. Thanks the spammers for that... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Preface
    Spammers have screwed up so much of what was once usable. Yet most users of the Internet are entirely unaware of it. They see spam only as part of being online. They think it's like other advertising, and some even think it's their ISP doing it.

    William R. James
    March 10, 2003

    Thank the Spammers
    Oddly enough, I remember a time when closing a relay was considered extremely rude. In the early days of the Internet, everyone who connected to it took some responsibility in helping to ensure that all the Internet's traffic was routed to its destination. Some places had better connections than others and some connections were unavailable at times for various reasons. So part of connecting your machine to the network was sharing the load and donating little bits of bandwidth here and there so the Internet ran smoothly for everyone. Relays were important because sometimes a user's home server was unavailable.

    Then came the spammers. Because they abused the relays, like they abuse everything else, the relays had to be turned off. They found that they could abuse the relays and cost others hundreds or even thousands of dollars, but it prevented them from losing the $10 dialup account or free NetZero account. It's like a thief who steals a $1000 wedding ring with priceless sentimental value just to sell it for a $20 cocaine fix. Old software which ran perfectly well had to be replaced just to close the hole which was so important to leave open before. Yeah, thank the spammers for that.

    But that's not the only thing the spammers have ruined. Free ISPs were growing. These services weren't perfect, they came with ads which were intentionally in the way, but that paid for the service, so it was OK. Over all, NetZero's service was actually pretty good even if it did have that open window in the way. But spammers learned that they could abuse those too, and their mind-set is "abuse it quickly before it goes away" knowing that the abuse is what will make it go away. But each spammer wants to be the one to milk it dry before the next spammer does, and all of them combined make it useless. Thanks, spammers, thanks a lot.

    Try querying any database which has email addresses anywhere in it. They have to either make it pay only, or make you type in something associated with an image before you can retrieve data. Why? Because spammers found out there were valid email addresses in them and started hammering the servers with automated software, grabbing the entire database, using up all the bandwidth 1000 times over, just to harvest a handful of addresses from it to abuse as well. So to defend themselves and keep their servers from crashing, database owners had to make it impossible to query automatically. Thank the spammers.

    And let's not forget Usenet. Munging addresses was once considered blatant abuse. Now very few people post with a valid address. If you want to discuss something off-line or off-topic with a poster, you either can't do it via email or you have to manually "decode" and type in their address. Thank spammers for that too.

    The spammers claim to be running legitimate businesses, but legitimate businesses who ask for email addresses when you download their product get 99.9% garbage addresses now. Sign up for anything online and you have to use an email address which you don't expect to keep. The trust is rightfully gone. Again, that's something else for which you can thank spammers.

    If you happen to run an authentic, legitimate business, you can't even post your own email address on your web site anymore. If you do, any addresses you publish for use by customers are instead harvested and added to thousands of spammers' lists. They become no longer usable in a very short time. So even though it may mean fewer orders, and the customer has to type more and may lose trust in your business because you can't give them an email address, you have to use contact forms and hide your address. Thanks, spammers.

    And what about those contact forms? They are also targe

    1. Re:Thanks the spammers for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get cocaine for $20? Where?!

  10. TMM is getting lazy by rk87 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    WTF, the story's been out 30 seconds and TripMasterMonkey hasn't posted yet?

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  11. URLs for actual paper by mblaze · · Score: 5, Informative

    A more detailed description of the threat is at smsanalysis.org/. The actual paper at smsanalysis.org/smsanalysis.pdf.

  12. SimpleText messages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do macs still ship with that?

  13. Slashdotting a cell phone by maxrate · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess it's kinda like a cell phone getting slashdotted too!

    1. Re:Slashdotting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proof positive there is no god. My cell phone dying a cruel, agonizing, fluid draining, oozing death is my salvation. Slashdot the mutha...

  14. NSA better hire those kids quick by TarrySingh · · Score: 1

    and have the University fire the professors for sparing the rod!

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    1. Re:NSA better hire those kids quick by dakirw · · Score: 1

      and have the University fire the professors for sparing the rod!

      Not if the professors are tenured. :)
  15. I call shenanigans... by The_Rippa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't you think that there are already more than 165 text messages being sent out every second in Manhattan?

    1. Re:I call shenanigans... by Ride+Jib · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. People in Manatten are primarily there for work, not general chit-chat.

    2. Re:I call shenanigans... by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Straw that broke the camels back .

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    3. Re:I call shenanigans... by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      With a population that size I'll bet you are right. I too call BS on this test. If they said 165 per second to every cell tower zone I might beleive that. If one cell is zapping out 1000's of messages you know they are going to throttle it or take it down. Problem is if you get a group of people doing the slamming THEN you might clog the system.

    4. Re:I call shenanigans... by DustyShadow · · Score: 1

      Possibly, but maybe not all on the same network.

    5. Re:I call shenanigans... by Beatbyte · · Score: 1

      And that is why I do not regret the purchase of ISBN : 0520219783

      This is exactly the kind of random bullshit that I'm going to hear someone quote as the god's truth as the easiest way to bring Manhattan's cell phone services to a hault.

    6. Re:I call shenanigans... by mirqry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think its even close. 165/sec lets say from 8am to 8pm is 7,128,000. Around 1.5 million people in Manhattan. So that would be saying every single man, woman, and child in the Manhattan send 4.75 text messages a day.

    7. Re:I call shenanigans... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I doubt it. People in Manatten are primarily there for work, not general chit-chat.

      That's the point. An SMS is far more discrete than a voice call while you are at work.

    8. Re:I call shenanigans... by sploxx · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up, he should approximately be right.

      Of course, one could elaborate more on this Fermi-like problem, but I don't that'd be neccessary :)

    9. Re:I call shenanigans... by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

      I don't feel like doing the probability math, but I would safely assume that the odds very good that there is at least one unique second in the day where 165+ messages are simultaneously. Even if you assume only half have a cell phone, and that of those with a cell phone they send an average of one message/day, the odds will be very good. If you look at it over a period of weeks or months, you can almost guarantee that it will happen.

    10. Re:I call shenanigans... by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      well then you would only have 1 second that a call could not be connected. This is in the control channel, not the data channel. Calls that are already established will stay connected, but for *1* second, people would not be able to make a call. In order to DOS the network, this must be sustained.

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    11. Re:I call shenanigans... by spisska · · Score: 1

      Around 1.5 million people in Manhattan. So that would be saying every single man, woman, and child in the Manhattan send 4.75 text messages a day.

      Ummm. No. Manhattan has a population of 1.5 million. That means 1.5 million live there. The number of people who work in Manhattan every day is quite a bit higher -- 4.5 or 5 million I'd reckon, maybe more.

      I'm still highly skeptical of this but know that it is possible. I was in Slovakia in 2002 when they won the ice-hockey world championships. It's a small country, and the mobile networks came to a grinding halt as everyone tried to call and text their friends after the game (and, yes, everyone in the country was watching it). Calls would not go through at all, but SMSs did, with some delay. Is it possible? absolutely. Is this the best way to knock out a cell network? Absolutely not.

    12. Re:I call shenanigans... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      OTOH, if you run the numbers it does seem possible.

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    13. Re:I call shenanigans... by DoninIN · · Score: 1

      125 messages per second. = 7500 messages per minute. = 450,000 per hour = 10,800,000 text messages per day. What is the population of Manhattan? How many cells are they talking about? I don't doubt that it's a simplification. But 125 of something per *second* is a hell of a lot of anything.

    14. Re:I call shenanigans... by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      But what if their work is chit-chat?

    15. Re:I call shenanigans... by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      But we have to hit it sometimes... It must have happened a few times when American Idol was super-popular, and they did the text-voting. They got so many text-votes, there must have been enough to overload at least a few places at least once.

      And if you are a terrorist, you only need to do it for like 20-30 minutes to cause all sorts of trouble. Of course, it requires either a script, or like 500 different cell phones, all of which must be relatively untraceable in ownership

    16. Re:I call shenanigans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blocking mobile phones for 20-30 minutes would cause inconvenience, but it would hardly be a disaster. I remember when mobile phones didn't even exist, and we managed. In fact, I still can't get reception in my office, and it's not exactly a big problem.

    17. Re:I call shenanigans... by John+Nowak · · Score: 1

      What the hell do you know? You can't even spell Manhattan.

    18. Re:I call shenanigans... by TommydCat · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that the paging channel is per cell sector. Cell sites can have between 1-12 sectors per carrier (freq) and several frequencies. So great.. we've jammed a city block. the rest of the network is unaffected. And this is going to cause mass mayhem and panic because....?

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  16. How fast can you think and type!???! by maxrate · · Score: 1

    This story has been out for a minute and you've written a longer reply than the article!

    1. Re:How fast can you think and type!???! by metternich · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can you say Copy and Paste Troll?

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    2. Re:How fast can you think and type!???! by Ravensfire · · Score: 1

      You missed the fact that the author and date were posted at the beginning of that, didn't you?

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    3. Re:How fast can you think and type!???! by maxrate · · Score: 1

      Yeah - I never thought of that!! DUH! - I was being sarcastic (I should have made a point of that earlier I guess!) My bad!

    4. Re:How fast can you think and type!???! by metternich · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry. This is why it's always good to us the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags, just to make sure, especially for the mods, they tend to be very dense on these matters. Memo to Original poster: Include a link and optionally a summery, don't post the whole thing.

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  17. Texting phones is free with Google by popo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most people don't know that you can send text messages for free through Google's text messaging service.

    http://toolbar.google.com/send/sms/index.php

    Now all you need is a perl script and ... hello? ...hello?

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    1. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by popo · · Score: 1


      For those who modded me offtopic: Chill. My post was completely "On topic".

      The story is about sending 165 text messages per second. There have already been a half-dozen posts pointing out how expensive it would be to send 165 text messages per second. A few others have pointed out that their thumbs can't type that fast.

      Google's SMS interface overcomes both those barriers, and is potentially a dangerous tool for disrupting phone service.

      God I hate overzealous modders. Chill. Talk about "disrupting traffic"....

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    2. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by yem · · Score: 1

      I'd be very surprised if that tool didn't have rate limiting built in.

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    3. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by gibson_81 · · Score: 1

      OK, I didn't RTFA, IANATE (Telco Engineer) (although my sister is, and I'll mention this paper next time I see her) and so on, but I don't think your method (or any other method using Internet SMS gateways) would crash the system.

      Think about it for a second: this exploit (as far as I understand it) overloads a control freq used between your cell phone and the nearest base station. Do you really think Google have their own base stations spread throughout the world, sending SMS to each operator via radio? Or do you think they they use SMS gateways located on the cell operator's (Inter)net?

      And even if you manage to send out all those messages to phones who are all in the same cell, the base tower presumably throttles the number of messages it will send out over the waves each second ...

    4. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by imuffin · · Score: 1

      It's easiser than that. All the major US carriers (at least) have email-to-SMS gateways. For example, on my Sprint PCS phone, you can text message me by sending an email to (myphonenumber)@messaging.sprintpcs.com. So really a shell script like

      while 1=1
      echo 'j00 r fux0red' | mail xxxxxxxxxx@messaging.sprintpcs.com

      would screw someone pretty hard if they had to pay for incoming messages.

      watch funny commercials

    5. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you could just email the text messages.
      1231231234@vtext.com or something to that extent for verizon. So all you really need is a computer with outgoing email capabilities... hmmm let's just hope terrorists don't get there hands on one of those.

    6. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Now all you need is a perl script and ... hello? ...hello?"

      "Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?"

    7. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by zigziggityzoo · · Score: 1
      Most people don't know that you can send text messages for free through Google's text messaging service.
      You can do it on AIM too. Just send the message to +15551234567 (obviously with a real number instead of the 555, just include the 1, the area code, and the number) and it sends it via SMS chat (a reply-able SMS) to any mobile phone that's compatible (all mobiles in the US made in the past 4 or so years).
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    8. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      He was thinking more along the lines of crashing the network the destination node was on, not googles.

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    9. Re:Texting phones is free with Google by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      You forgot to mention that this service is restricted to U.S. mobiles. Just in case someone goes there to check just to waste his time, like I did.

  18. Text is low priority raffic by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Interesting
    AFAIK, text is typically low priority traffic, but that can depend on configuration, network type etc. Network control is highest, voice next, followed by data and text.

    The reason for this prioritisation is that delaying isochronous (eg. voice) data makes it unusable, but backing up text is OK. If you try jamming with text all you'll end up with is a load of backed up text.

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    1. Re:Text is low priority raffic by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Informative

      sending smsm messages uses the control channel, which is required for setting up each voice call. ever noticed sometimes you can send/recv SMS messages but when you try to call you get no service

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  19. Maybe it is time to bring back CDPD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it is time to bring back CDPD (Cellular Digital Packet Data). It transmits data only when the cellular voice channels are silent.

    1. Re:Maybe it is time to bring back CDPD by kaladorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe in your neck of the woods. In Canada, the last time I was involved in public safety CDPD-networked software deployment and development, we had segregated channels. So this issue never came up. We segregate voice and data channels up here and that seems to work pretty well. Maybe it has some technical drawbacks in terms of utilization rates, but it kinda removes some potential for abuse.

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    2. Re:Maybe it is time to bring back CDPD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will be less of an issue if/when the celllular providers roll out their 3G networks, as voice and data traffic is differentiated and segregated there. Until then, however, this is pretty problematic.

  20. now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Because text messages are transmitted on the same signal that is used to set up voice calls

    Ah. So that's why it costs an insane amount of money to send a text message (well, that and a text message may mean "no phone call to bill for".)

    Also- can anyone explain why data is still so damn expensive? I have a data capable phone w/bluetooth, I travel a fair bit...but I don't ever use the data service, because it's so incredibly expensive. 2-8MB runs you almost as much as the voice service does!

    Seems like they could make a lot of people happy if they made data more affordable. I guess we'll have to wait for one of the providers to start competing on that front, instead of buying each other up? :-)

    1. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Also- can anyone explain why data is still so damn expensive? I have a data capable phone w/bluetooth, I travel a fair bit...but I don't ever use the data service, because it's so incredibly expensive. 2-8MB runs you almost as much as the voice service does!

      Sounds like you're getting screwed. With Verizon, I can use 1xRTT data almost anywhere (~90 kbps average, 144 kbps max) and with my America's Choice plan, it's billed just like a voice call - meaning it's free between 9PM-6AM and on weekends. If you use it all the time, they have an unmetered data plan for like $80 a month.

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    2. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Because they're trying to claw back the money they spent on wireless licenses for 3G data services. They can't do that unless they make a fat margin on data, so it's very expensive. I'm also annoyed by this: transferring about 1.5mb of data has cost me recently about $22

    3. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by kesuki · · Score: 2, Informative

      a couple reasons... bandwith available is very limited. the entire licensed spectrum for cell phone coverage is less than the frequency a single analog TV broadcaster uses.

      so yeah data is expensive, and frankly the answer to that was going to be the FCC taking all 13 channels of VHF broadcast and converting them to various products including a large subset to be licensed for cellular broadcasts... but the states is nowhere near the numbers that would allow the FCC to license off those frequencies.

      if you have more frequency you can sell 'data' for less. they've already gotten to the point where voice calls are unlimited on weekends and evenings, so they can get virtually everyone paying $40 a month for service they can only realistically use during the day when it takes off plan minutes/really costs money.

    4. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also- can anyone explain why data is still so damn expensive?

      Sure. Carriers would prefer a small number of people to pay extremely high rates than a whole lot of people paying a reasonable rate. Otherwise they have to invest a lot more in their infrastructure to support the extra traffic. Competition is the only way to help the consumer in this area - the threat of completely losing a customer to a competitor is the only real motivation for a carrier to do anything. All the carriers have their data rates set very high, so at the moment no carrier is much more appealing than the others. As long as there is a group of people willing to pay a high price to utilize a worthwhile amount of available bandwidth the carrier is happy.

      Same thing happens with gas stations. Ever notice how groups of gas stations within sight of each other sell gas at nearly the same price? Can't you just picture the managers, who have a tiny amount of say in the price of gas, looking over at their "competitor" and winking and nodding as they decide how high they will set their price?

      Dan East

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    5. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      around here there used to be a service that promised unlimited sms's per month for a low flat fee.

      they didn't take into account that people would use it for data logging etc.. so they just made it 1000 sms's per month or so after people did use it for data logging and such.

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    6. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by geneing · · Score: 1
      2-8MB runs you almost as much as the voice service does!
      In fact it is cheap. Voice service runs at 9600 bps when you are speaking and down to 2400 bps when silent (for CDMA phones). So you are using way more bandwidth with data.
    7. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by CarrotLord · · Score: 1

      I used to work for a "gas" station (service station to antipodeans like me), and I recall the price-setting method. He'd send me in one of the rent-a-trucks (rent-a-utes to antipodeans like me) to survey the local gas (petrol) prices, particularly at a specific station down the road that we were in a price war with. He'd check their prices, and set his either the same or 0.1 cents lower. Not quite a wink and a nod, more stealthy price-checking and undercutting...

      The reason this worked was that customers were able and inclined to compare prices between the two, and would choose the lower one. It benefitted customers. The cost of mobile data is not something that people normally base their cell-phone (mobile phone) purchases on, so there's little competition based on price, and people don't generally swap providers based on price.

      It's a small market, with consumers who aren't *that* price-sensitive, and aren't particularly mobile. Hence, prices are high.

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    8. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      I have a T-Mobile sidekick2, and data-only costs me (well, work) something like $25/month for unlimited everything including taxes. I don't use SMS, I use E-Mail. The connections are laggy and slow, but I can use it to be "leashed" instead of "tied to a desk". Irssi even works over their terminal client relativly well. Danger seems to have it worked out with T-Mobile to suck up their GPRS data connections. They use some kind of remote proxy server to do the dirty work and just dump it into your cell phone.

      From what I hear verizon's EVDO is pretty cool and affordable as well for unlimited data at high speeds.

    9. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by anothy · · Score: 1

      i'm on Verizon's unlimited $80USD/month plan for their high speed (EV-DO) service. this gets me 150-300kbps in most major US metro areas (which, really, includes about half of the east coast from boston to DC), falling back to RTT at about ~60kbps when EV-DO isn't available, anywhere on Verizon's network nation-wide. it's the only internet connection i have when not at work. the price has recently come down to $60USD/month, and sprint has launched a service at $80USD/month unlimited or some lower rate ($40USD/month, i think) for capped usage (with per-MB charges over that). it's certainly steep just looking at the $/kbps compared to other services, but the mobility is a huge win. great service.

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    10. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by anothy · · Score: 1
      Also- can anyone explain why data is still so damn expensive?
      in addition to the observation already made that you simply need a much better plan (i'm on $80USD/month unlimited, and $60USD/month is available), data remains expensive because providing unlimited data is dangerous to most operators' business model. particularly operators looking to exact revenue from content, particularly on-portal content, giving cheap access to the open internet is a big risk. it's a manageable risk - my company, among others, works on ways to deal with it - but it's a risk regardless, and one that many operators are reluctant to take. the most frightening thing in the world to nearly every mobile operator on the planet is becoming simply a bit pipe.
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    11. Re:now I know why text messages cost a fortune... by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 1
      I used to work for a "gas" station (service station to antipodeans like me), and I recall the price-setting method. He'd send me in one of the rent-a-trucks (rent-a-utes to antipodeans like me) to survey the local gas (petrol) prices, particularly at a specific station down the road that we were in a price war with. He'd check their prices, and set his either the same or 0.1 cents lower. Not quite a wink and a nod, more stealthy price-checking and undercutting...

      Do you think we're (we are) all retarded (Affected with mental retardation) or something?
  21. No 12 Days of Christmas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last year I had a friend that wrote an app that would text message a verse from the 12 days of Christmas every day, but something went horribly wrong and I was getting messaged a verse from that damn song every few milliseconds for a couple hours straight. Not fun.

    Hey Steve! (you ass)

    1. Re:No 12 Days of Christmas by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      whatever happened to testing code on a safe system... instead of calling send_SMS(verse) put coutverse and see what it is going to send before letting it send an sms

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    2. Re:No 12 Days of Christmas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last year I had a friend that wrote an app that would text message a verse from the 12 days of Christmas every day, but something went horribly wrong and I was getting messaged a verse from that damn song every few milliseconds for a couple hours straight. Not fun.

      What a creative, useful application, if only it hadn't gone terribly wrong.

  22. some alarming quotes from the NYT article by circletimessquare · · Score: 1
    In their research, the authors concluded that all major cellular networks were vulnerable, and that a single computer with a cable modem could do the job.
    ...

    One challenge for would-be attackers, according to the paper, is pulling together a list of working cellphones in a specific geographical area. But that, too, is made simpler via the Internet; the authors describe a process using Google and some search tricks that allowed them to collect 7,308 cellular numbers in New York City and 6,184 from Washington "with minimal time and effort."
    ...

    The system works even when cellular calls do not because text messages are small packets of data that are easy to send, and because the companies transmit them on the high-priority channel whose main purpose is to set up cellphone calls.

    But therein lies part of the vulnerability, Professor McDaniel said. The control channel cannot handle large amounts of data, he said, so by flooding the channel with messages, it is possible to prevent voice calls from going through.

    "This is a traffic-jam problem," he said. "You're sending too many cars down a two-lane road."


    the research paper with technical details
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    1. Re:some alarming quotes from the NYT article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is a traffic-jam problem," he said. "You're sending too many cars down a two-lane road."

      No, you're blocking the entrance ramps with bicycles.

  23. Nice observation by evil+agent · · Score: 1, Insightful
    From the article, Professor McDaniel says

    "It seems to me unlikely that a small number of unsophisticated users would be able to mount this attack effectively."

    Who cares! Those aren't the people we're worried about. It would just take ONE sophisticated user to mount this attack.

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  24. Re:ehh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The websites I'm forced to register for must be puzzled at the amount of interest they have from the Federated States of Micronesia.

  25. What? by EvanED · · Score: 4, Informative
    Your comments directly contradict the NY Times article...

    The system works even when cellular calls do not because text messages are small packets of data that are easy to send, and because the companies transmit them on the high-priority channel whose main purpose is to set up cellphone calls.


    Do you have a source?
    1. Re:What? by timmyf2371 · · Score: 3, Informative
      I don't have a source, but from my experience with Orange (in the UK), I've found it to be the same as the OP.

      One day while I was sending text messages I was getting a surprisingly high percentage of failed sends, so I called their technical helpline, gave my postal code etc and was told the base station nearest to me was undergoing maintanence and thus would have a reduced capacity for around 24 hours, and because voice traffic had priority over SMS/data there may be intermittent issues.

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    2. Re:What? by ejito · · Score: 1

      My text messages get rejected when I send too many from my phone (I pay 10 bucks a month for unlimited IM adn text).

    3. Re:What? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Informative

      You believed what Orange Customer Support said? Let me guess...you don't check out many cellular formus do you? ;-) They fib about technical problems all the time.

    4. Re:What? by VoidWraith · · Score: 1

      My text messages regularly take hours to get a response, while I can simultaneously make a call just fine. I think this it probably is different depending on the network: hence the discrepancy.

    5. Re:What? by kesuki · · Score: 1, Informative

      Your comments directly contradict the NY Times article...

      The system works even when cellular calls do not because text messages are small packets of data that are easy to send, and because the companies transmit them on the high-priority channel whose main purpose is to set up cellphone calls.


      Do you have a source?

      Bad reporting, Yes cell phones use SMTP to contact towers, and verify the accessability of circuits, and those SMTP packets are highly flaged, and YES text messages are SMTP packets (same as ICQ and e-mail, AIM, MSN etc etc) But they are Flagged as Junk priority by the mailer dameon that negotiates these things. which means that basically even if you're trying to send 165 text messages a second the tower can tell Instantly if it's a text message or a negotiation signal, and Instantly drops the signal on the floor if it doesn't have room for the text message. and this attack is only possible of being done from the cell phone side, because if you sent it on the 'internet' side it simply creates a backlog of messages to be sent. the server will either discard or wait to transmit until it feels OK with doing one or the other.

      BTW the main reason text messages work when normal calling doesn't is because the phone can legally retry sending the message say, every minute until the tower 'acknowledges' the transmission although i don't know for certain if this is done, or if it's a simple 'trust' system where the phone does it best to send it and if the tower doesn't have bandwith for it when it gets the message it's just lost forever...

    6. Re:What? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes cell phones use SMTP to contact towers, and verify the accessability of circuits, and those SMTP packets are highly flaged, and YES text messages are SMTP packets (same as ICQ and e-mail, AIM, MSN etc etc)

      Arrgh! SMS, no SMTP! ICQ uses udp or possibly a tcp connection, not SMTP. Are you really that clueless or just trolling?

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    7. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sms is working the same as e-mail. so does icq, they both derived there systems from the simple mail transfer protocol. they just use slightly different methods to do the same thing.

    8. Re:What? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      sms is working the same as e-mail.

      Are you high? SMS isn't even based on tcpip!

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    9. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HE is pretty close to right. While text messages use the same data stream, the text message will only be sent by the carrier when there is room and time. CDMA and PCS and other digital protocols have this feature built in. It would be difficult to shut down a cell phone network with just text messatges. While the NYTimes article has some good information in it, we can't forget that their main goal is to sell news papers, and people don't want to buy news if there isn't something scary in it.

    10. Re:What? by Mxyzptlk · · Score: 1

      I'm a former Ericsson employee - my telecom knowledge is a bit out-of-date, but the basics never go away :-)

      Plain SMS'es are be sent on control channels (SDCCH or SACCH), and for every one control channel, there are many more voice channels. In some configurations, SDCCH and SACCH reside in the same time slot as the control channel for setting up calls - but not in others. It's a configuration issue really. Yes, in a badly configured network, you can jam voice calls with SMS'es. But with a good configuration (and monitoring and blah blah), it's not a problem.

      Some SMS'es have a higher priority than others - for example emergency broadcasts, and can therefore reach the recipient while "normal" attempts to send an SMS get an error message ("network busy - please try later"). Read the article about SMS over SS7 - quite interesting! Read about the 9/11 tragedy's effect on cell phones.

    11. Re:What? by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1

      And yet, during the hours after the 7th July attacks in London, txt msgs were getting through when calls were not...?

      .

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    12. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A voice call does require more capacity from the network than an SMS, so it is quite possible that SMS would go through when voice calls couldn't. It just means that the network is saturated with voice calls, not an SMS flood.

  26. Computer to the Rescue by OctoberSky · · Score: 1
    Well like all above me said it would be damn expensive to text 165 times a second. Even for a few seconds. Enter Verizons VText.

    With this simple website you could send out countless text messages to the same phone. BEst of all its free to send, not to recieve.

    If we all did it (no, we should not all do this) it would , if I understand the article correctly, crash the system that phone is on.

    But I am sure the Slashdot crowd could get more than 165 per second out

  27. I don't buy it. by Johnno74 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There must be at least a million cellphones in Manhattan. I'd say its safe to say that each cellphone would send an average of one text message a day.

    So there are already somewhere in the rough ballpark of 1 million text messsages being sent a day. Possibly many more, probably no less.
    that equates to 41,000 per hour, or 72 per second, on average.

    Now of course the texts aren't spread evenly over those 24 hours. The majority of those messages will be sent during 12 hours of the day, which would mean during those 12 hours the average texts/second would be pretty close to the number of texts they say would overload the network.

    1. Re:I don't buy it. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      perhapse the current system is not capable of handling double it's current load

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    2. Re:I don't buy it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      41,000 per hour is 12 per second, not 72. So there's plenty of capacity.

    3. Re:I don't buy it. by Stalyn · · Score: 1

      You forget that it is adding the said 165 messages a second to the network and not simply the traffic upper limit is 165 messages a second. Assume the upper limit is 165msgs/sec and by sending 165msgs/sec you are approaching the upper limit and most likely going over with the addition of normal traffic. This would create the slowdown mentioned. The goal of adding 165msgs/sec doesn't seem all that hard especially with the speed of modern computers. I think the article mentioned that one person with a cable modem could do it.

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    4. Re:I don't buy it. by Johnno74 · · Score: 1

      D'oh - you're right. My bad, don't know how that happened. its 12/second, not 70...

    5. Re:I don't buy it. by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      You also forgot to take into account the fact that all people in Manhattan are not on the same cell service and so are not using the same networks most of the time. I realize a few providers share networks but the simple fact that there are more then two networks operating independantly means that the normal traffic would not cause the system to be overloaded.

      My opinion though is that the system should be able to handle everyone texting at one time and be robust enough to not affect voice calls.

    6. Re:I don't buy it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think its not for a whole region, but perhaps a sub-region, like all phones connected to one tower. My understanding is that phones in two different tower-networks cannot affect one another, but if by chance, one were to flood the network of one specific tower, it would have disasterous consequences (cellular jam, for instance) for all users on that particular sub-region. A tower's coverage can be pretty wide (more than a town), but with cities like New York, there is a lot of redundancy to prevent "Network is busy" errors and to ensure connectivity in various buildings.

    7. Re:I don't buy it. by ars · · Score: 1

      And every one of these phone uses the same tower?

      I think not.

      I don't think 1 tower can even handle 1000 calls, let alone 1 million calls.

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  28. Re:ehh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I AM a 5300# black woman who was born in 1906 you insensitive clod!

  29. SMS is quite popular in Europe, how come not DoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    SMS is quite popular in Europe. Many people in some European countries use SMS more than they would a voice call. With some many people using SMS, how come we don't see a lot of denial of service from a lot of use of SMS?

  30. Its not just the spammer's fault by NextGaurd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Part of the blame rests on people who complain about spam but then buy things advertised through spam. Without this reinforcement spammers would be greatly diminished.

    1. Re:Its not just the spammer's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the blame rests on people who complain about spam but then buy things advertised through spam. Without this reinforcement spammers would be greatly diminished.

      That's the equivalent of suggesting that we only have prisons because people commit crimes.

      No shit, sherlock, but no matter how well we reduced crime we'll never get it close enough to zero that we just won't need prisons anymore.

    2. Re:Its not just the spammer's fault by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      You are completely correct. You need to go after the profit motive.

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    3. Re:Its not just the spammer's fault by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      That's funny. Prison is big business. In the states, even if crime went to 0, you can be sure that with the help of lobby groups the prisons will always be full.

  31. Wrong terminology, yet again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A spammer is not a hacker. Mail bombers have existed for ages but nobody does it anymore because it's pretty traceable (even through open relays)

  32. Teleflip.com allows emailing text msgs. by Errandboy+of+Doom · · Score: 1

    Teleflip.com also allows you to send text messages. It's free, no registration, it's all via email.

    If the cell phone number you want to reach is 999-555-4444, you just send an email to 9995554444@teleflip.com, it's automatically forwarded through the phone network.

    So this is looking easier by the post.

  33. Per City, or per Cell? by throx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't buy it for one very big reason - the cells are functionally independant and Manhattan has a *lot* of cells. That means you could shut down a single cell with text messages if you targetted a single phone but a simple throttle on the number of messages to a single phone number would prevent that.

    Now if you could figure out how to send messages to a bunch of different phones all in the same cell then you may be able to take that one cell out of business for a while, but DoS all of Manhattan? I think not.

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    1. Re:Per City, or per Cell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Try reading the paper. There is a discussion about DoSing Manhattan specifically. It includes the number of cells that exist in Manhattan, capability of those cells, and bandwidth of your typical cable modem. it works. Run the numbers. Read the paper.

  34. Grand Central Station by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Manhattan usually has 5+ million people in it all day long. 165 msgs:sec is only 10K msgs:minute. I'm surprised Manhattan doesn't already get that kind of traffic. Especially after a big event, like a World Series win, or a stock market crash. I'd say "terrorist attack", but the last one destroyed the 7 World Trade building, which took out Verizon a lot more definitively than a DoS attack. But that hardly seems necessary to generate texts from 0.5% of Manhattan within a minute.

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    1. Re:Grand Central Station by KronicD · · Score: 1

      I work for a company that provides bulk SMS services, group messaging etc.

      We send on average 300 messages per minute, and we only service about 2000 clients, I know of several other large companies in this state alone (in western australia) who are doing the same. It should be noted that H3G *DOES* have rate limiting on their bulk SMS services (we get rate limited during the peak hours of the day and have our own cellular modems to pickup the slack during these times).

      The question is, why is it restricted to Mannhattan exactly? Is there only one huge cell site in the entire area? It just seems silly, to say that only one geographic area would be effected this way.

      If anyone has some insight into the way this works, I would be happy to hear about it!

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    2. Re:Grand Central Station by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      I'm surprised Manhattan doesn't already get that kind of traffic. Especially after a big event

      I remember that at 00:00:30 on 1 Jan 2000 many cell phones near me couldn't make calls. Of course everybody was sending happy new year sms messages.

      We joked about Y2K at the time but after a couple of minutes the system cooled down and calls started going through.

    3. Re:Grand Central Station by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Your comments seem to invalidate the "research" we're discussing. My comments seem to rule it out, too. I'm a New Yorker, so I'll just come out and say it: this report of SMS vulnerability is bullshit.

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    4. Re:Grand Central Station by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Well, many more people in your cell were actually making calls. NYC has terribly insufficient cell capacity, especially considering its huge multipath noise. It's often hard to get a signal in Herald Square on a sunny day, while looking right up at the antenna array on the Empire State Building. And if the SMS overload brought down the system like these researchers claim, it would take more than a couple of minutes to recover. In fact, it would take more than a couple of minutes just for the spike in SMS to pass through.

      Your experience is surely accurate, but it shows the researchers' scenario has been tested without calamity. I say they're just wrong.

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  35. Not free to the receiver by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Except that its not free to the one receiving the message. I get charged 10 cents for each receieved message. So if I message my mom, she pays 20 cents.

  36. Re:SMS is quite popular in Europe, how come not Do by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reason is in the EU areas, bandwidth isn't so TIGHTLY restricted. That's why they've got internet connections better than what most of the USA has. Most people I know of in the EU areas pay roughly equivalent to what we do for a 10 mbit down / 2 mbit up connection, if not higher. (These are people on IRC, I wouldn't know about those I know thru IM services)

    We've got, what?? Comcast with 7 mbit (shared) down and 1.5 mbit (dedicated) up, as the "potentially best" service? (Roadrunner offers 10 mbit down, but only 512 kbit up, Speakeasy is 6 mbit down dedicated, 768 kbit up dedicated?)

    These people have a much larger pipeline to use. *NOW* the big difference is the pipeline leaving their country to go to other countries. Any bets on where most of that data gets sent? You betcha, USA.

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  37. Not with Verizon by everphilski · · Score: 2, Informative

    .... with Verizon's *in* network, $5 a month flat rate to other Verizon members.

    Verizon kicks ass.

    -everphilski-

    1. Re:Not with Verizon by BizidyDizidy · · Score: 1

      Ha. Sprint I have 5 dollars a month for free texts to anyone. Nice try though.

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  38. All you guys in Manhattan! by Palal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey all you guys in Manhattan! Are your cell phones working? If so, then I'll up the number of SMS/second.

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  39. GSM SMSC bandwidth/throughput by ReVeL75 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know from connections to several european 'short message service centers' that they won't accept more then 10 or 100 messages a second even for wholesale connections (content providers, chat providers, tv games etc.). The overal capacity can never overflow the network since there is a limiter on the SMSC.

  40. New Cell Security by pin_gween · · Score: 1

    Cellular providers, of course, fired back, one stating that it 'constantly and aggressively monitors potential threats to the integrity and security of its network

    Yeah, we've upped it, now you have to send 172 texts per second!

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  41. Next up by freaktheclown · · Score: 2, Funny

    Next up, the Motorola JAMR!

  42. +5 informative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    When a simple check with google calc directly disproves the post. Mods on crack.

  43. QUICK! Let's take down some websites! by GecKo213 · · Score: 1

    Everybody on the count of three! Start text messaging microsoft.com as fast as you can! From there we'll move on to Yahoo.com, and maybe even cnn.com for fun!

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  44. what is even more evil... by first_tracks · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can email a text message to someone's phone, and for some carriers it is an automatic $0.10 or more a message received and the reciever can't not recieve it. Here are all the SMS addys:

    Sprint: 10-digit-number@messaging.sprintpcs.com
    Verizon: 10-digit-nmber@vtext.com
    AT&T: 10-digit-number@mobile.att.net
    T Mobile: 10-digit-number@tmomail.net
    Nextel: 10-digit-number@messaging.nextel.com
    Cingular: 10-digit-number@mobile.mycingular.net
    Alltel: 10-digit-number@message.alltel.com

    i can see how they could put in safe-guards like monitoring multiple messages from an IP in a certain time frame. but, smart programmers can work around this fairly easily.

    1. Re:what is even more evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not recieving the message, but sending the message that causes the problem. Sending is higher priority that voice, while recieving a text message is lower

    2. Re:what is even more evil... by Calroth · · Score: 1

      You can email a text message to someone's phone, and for some carriers it is an automatic $0.10 or more a message received and the reciever can't not recieve it...

      ...and all over the world, spammers rub their hands in glee.

    3. Re:what is even more evil... by argent · · Score: 1

      You can email a text message to someone's phone, and for some carriers it is an automatic $0.10 or more a message received and the reciever can't not recieve it... ...and all over the world, spammers rub their hands in glee.

      I'd love to see some spammers do this.

      Because for sure they'd hit some cellphones that are on the do-not-call list.

      Which, unlike the spammer-promoted "don't spam me" lists, are real and enforcable.

    4. Re:what is even more evil... by Calroth · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see some spammers do this.

      Because for sure they'd hit some cellphones that are on the do-not-call list.


      Good luck trying to enforce that against thousands of spam zombies across the Internet!

    5. Re:what is even more evil... by paz5 · · Score: 1

      I fear a virus spamming the various sms email addresses. A widly distributed virus spamming all at once could take down a huge chunk of the network if you buy this whole 165 sms/s take down.

      Anyone know if cell co's run any kind of spam filtering on incoming SMS's?

    6. Re:what is even more evil... by Rediscover · · Score: 1

      > Anyone know if cell co's run any kind of spam filtering on incoming SMS's?

      Hell yeah. AT&T Wireless (for one) heavily monitored originating
      IP addresses for the SMTP-to-SMS gateway. Too many messages for
      a given time frame was one major flag.

    7. Re:what is even more evil... by argent · · Score: 1

      Good luck trying to enforce that against thousands of spam zombies across the Internet!

      Why would you do that? You'd follow the money... see who's benefitting from the spam and file your claim against THEM in small-claims court. If every spam against cellular gateways was followed up by hundreds of chickenfeed lawsuits against the advertiser, nobody would pay spammers to do it.

    8. Re:what is even more evil... by Calroth · · Score: 1

      Why would you do that? You'd follow the money... see who's benefitting from the spam and file your claim against THEM in small-claims court.

      Good luck trying to enforce that against somebody in Eastern Europe! (Or China. Or Nigeria, etc.)

    9. Re:what is even more evil... by argent · · Score: 1

      If someone is doing business in the US, they have assets in the US.

      If they're NOT doing business in the US, they're being ripped off by the spammer.

  45. here are all the SMS addys... by first_tracks · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Sprint: 10-digit-number@messaging.sprintpcs.com
    Verizon: 10-digit-nmber@vtext.com
    AT&T: 10-digit-number@mobile.att.net
    T Mobile: 10-digit-number@tmomail.net
    Nextel: 10-digit-number@messaging.nextel.com
    Cingular: 10-digit-number@mobile.mycingular.net
    Alltel: 10-digit-number@message.alltel.com

    email away!

  46. Re:SMS is quite popular in Europe, how come not Do by csirac · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The reason is in the EU areas, bandwidth isn't so TIGHTLY restricted. That's why they've got internet connections better than what most of the USA has. Most people I know of in the EU areas pay roughly equivalent to what we do for a 10 mbit down / 2 mbit up connection, if not higher. (These are people on IRC, I wouldn't know about those I know thru IM services)


    I think you're really misunderstanding the issue. A DoS by flooding the cell with SMS messages has the chance of working because on-the-wire, (or "on the air", if you will) it uses the exact same portion of the GSM mobile phone protocol as setting up new calls (and other network control messages). As you can see, this has nothing to do with the land-line connectivity the tower uses beyond the airwaves.

    We've got, what?? Comcast with 7 mbit (shared) down and 1.5 mbit (dedicated) up, as the "potentially best" service? (Roadrunner offers 10 mbit down, but only 512 kbit up, Speakeasy is 6 mbit down dedicated, 768 kbit up dedicated?)


    It's still possible that the "last-mile" providers in the USA simply don't feel the need to upgrade their DSLAMs or even make full use of the stuff that _IS_ installed at the exchange until absolutely necessary so they still have a low-cost path of remaining competitive as the market demands and expectations change.

    Perhaps, as you say, the telecomms backbone doesn't have sufficient capacity to provide everyone with services of higher speeds but simply comparing the end-user DSL service speeds in each country doesn't give you this information, it's not the full picture. For example, it's possible the EU providers upgraded their "last mile" infrastructure first and are upgrading their backbones concurrently, or later.

    You might be interested to know that in rural Australia, they usually "skip" a generation or two of technology; I remember when I was a kid that by the time touch-tone phone service became available in 1988 in my tiny home-town, it was replacing a human-operated exchange and that plenty of larger municipalities were still stuck with pulse-only exchanges. Perhaps what you're seeing in some parts of the EU is a refreshing of old infrastructure with the highest tech available, because they don't get to do it very often (upgrades, that is).

    We've got, what?? Comcast with 7 mbit (shared) down and 1.5 mbit (dedicated) up, as the "potentially best" service? (Roadrunner offers 10 mbit down, but only 512 kbit up, Speakeasy is 6 mbit down dedicated, 768 kbit up dedicated?)


    Of course, the USA is the centre of the universe...
  47. Maybe I missed something...? by mister_llah · · Score: 1

    What is the point of the study or what not that these professors were doing? ... and why publish the results out loud?

    If it were true, and they release findings like that, wouldn't that be like just painting a big target sign on cellular infrastructure? ... someone set me straight if I am reading these things wrongly...

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    1. Re:Maybe I missed something...? by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 1

      Ummmm yeah. If I told you that it takes 30,000 Pounds of Bananas to crush someone's $noun does that mean someone's $noun is now more vulnerable?

      Ok I know the analogy is not exactly the same (can't get Chapin outta my head) but the principle is still the same. Knowing the breaking point of something does not "paint a target" on it.

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    2. Re:Maybe I missed something...? by first_tracks · · Score: 1

      i don't think you are reading it wrongly. Yes, they are painting a big target on the cellular infrastructure. It's the same mentality that hackers have, and it's unfortunately a neccesity in this world. Better to break it asap and make it better. Though i have similar concerns when government experts publish their reports like "Most Vulnerable Methods for Terrorist Attacks in the US". Gee, thanks for putting that out there. I think there are probably better ways to go about such studies... like notifying those who might fix it first before it causes a problem, and if they don't take it seriously then post it for all. But, in this day and age, if you think of something, there are a thousand others who have already thought the same thing or will shortly after you do. Well, expect for those 15 or so minutes of original thought that we all supposedly have in our entire life.

  48. Load of carp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm posting this on my cell phone as my friend attempts to ja&^. .HJ@#
    [Carrier Lost]

  49. Mail bombing? Easy, just enlist the spammers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Mail bombers have existed for ages but nobody does it anymore because it's pretty traceable (even through open relays)

    Why would anyone bother? Just cross-post a flame to about six different newsgroups with the intended targets address as the return address. Follow up by signing them up for plenty of free porn and you can let the nut jobs and spammers handle it for you. Not that I'd do such a thing, but I think mail bombing ceased to be a great affliction since 80% of email traffic became spam.

  50. ISBN : 0520219783 by Da_Biz · · Score: 1

    An excellent book. One of the first books in the required reading list for my Sociology course.

  51. Blackberry has the same problem by killercoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back in 2000 I was writing native Blackberry applications. At the time the RIM network was Artus, and you could send 100's of short Artus packets directly to the MIN of the device. BAM! The tower went down till you stopped. The smaller the message the higher the priority - the easier it was to bring down the tower.

    "We monitor our network for security issues - BULLSHIT", they monitor the billing systems and channels for abuse - sure - but not the QOS.

    1. Re:Blackberry has the same problem by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "We monitor our network for security issues"

      *Financial* security.

      Whenever an outfit like this (or Microsoft) talk about security being their highest priority they *always* mean 'financial security'

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  52. how about a JAMMER? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    you could jam it with a signal jammer too.

    and a whole lot of other ways. but their method isn't good for anything if the priorities are set up correct for the cell.

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    1. Re:how about a JAMMER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember reading something about this - in theory, an old microwave oven tweaked to run with the door open, placed at the base of a cell tower could do the trick.

  53. Wow by CynicalGuy · · Score: 1

    Someone try this, I'm in Manhattan now, and I'll write back if it works.

  54. Not hard to implement. by digital+photo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's look at it this way:

    Sources of Bandwidth/Attacks

    • College Campuses(1.5mbps to 45mbps, depending on campus)
    • Cable and DSL Users(1.5mbps - 6.0mbps per connection)
    • Business Servers(1.5mbps - 1gbps, depending on business system)

    The original article assumes you wanted to take out more than one sector in the cellular coverage. If you wanted to be more specific and pinpoint only a handful of sectors, you would need less than the numbers the article specifies.

    Most text messaging service providers have email gateways. This is one of the reasons why I disabled my text messaging capability. No way to filter the message and at $0.10 / message, it is too abusable.

    A weak computer running a fast multi-threaded emailer(Postfix) can dump a fair amount of email at a email-to-sms gateway. It is amazing how many messages/sec you can achieve if you tweak your configuration. 3-4 well placed and configured systems could take out a sector or 2. Distribute that over 10-20 thousand zombies, and you have much greater capacity and better redundancy. The provier will either need to already have anti-DDOS equipment in place or shut down the gateway. Bounce those over open relays and it makes dynamic rerouting even more difficult.

    Scenario:

    There is a convention going on. Someone was going to launch an attack on the convention site. They don't need to wipe out access to the entire city. They only need to wipe out acccess to the cellualr cells/sectors covering the convention area itself.

    So, they gain access to a list of peoples' phone numbers, who will be attending and SMS-bombard those numbers.

    Guess what? Since all of those numbers are at the convention site and being serviced by a fixed number of cellular cells, you have now effectively targetted those cells and overloaded them.

    With the cell access busy, to the people trying to make calls or receive calls at the convention, an attack on the convention would only be reportable by landline and/or by bystanders outside of the convention center.

    Say the attack is a silent one: chemical, toxin, biological. The emergency response would be delayed enough that most of the target individuals would be dead before help could arrive. Most people these days depend heavily on their cell phones. The first thought isn't to try to make a call on a landline for many.

    Another abuse would be to use the system to financially deplete another organization's funds by ramping up their telco fees through excessive messaging via a zombie network. While most organizations might have flat fee subscriptions, some do not. Especially for their one-off need-it-now celphone plans.

    I've actually called my provider and asked them about filtering and blocking, but they have told me that it was either completely on or completely off. I chose completely off.

  55. VERY TYPICAL OF GSM by KayEyeDoubleDee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Several years ago I was involved in solving a similiar problem in the GSM/MAP/SS7 backbone network of a major European cellular provider/broker. In that case, there was an problem because the SMS messaging is carried in the MAP "signalling" layer, which resulted in the waste of the vast majority of the bandwidth that was meant to be used to handle subscriber management, roaming, authentication, etc. The network (which provided roaming between 100+ sizable European, Asian, and North African carriers) was being saturated with internet-generated SMS text messaging. Essentially, we were only able to block the traffic, having little control over its generation and/or entry into the network.

    Clearly the people that designed the air interface made the same poor architectural decision.

    1. Re:VERY TYPICAL OF GSM by Mateito · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yeah. Bloody white-flag-waving garlic-frog-eating gsm-designing europeans.

      Bastards.

    2. Re:VERY TYPICAL OF GSM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wow, this post is a perfect example of how to mask xenophobia with apparently valid facts. B.S. If GSM networks are so bad, how is it that many over-populated third-world countries get 10 times better reception than any place in America? It's fine bud, stick your stupid beliefs. It;s funny how New York hasn't even been able to set up mobile transmission in the Subway, whereas the rest of the world already has. It's ok, keep believing what you want about GSM.

    3. Re:VERY TYPICAL OF GSM by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 0

      Also. Anyone that's been in the telecoms industry long enough will know that back when we were on the first generation networks (1G), only voice calls were possible and the C7 channels were used for call setup and other signalling information. The Engineers figured a way to send text messages over SS7 to communicate with each other while testing/ integrating. It was only later with the 2G networks that it became mainstream and when the operators and the vendors realized that they could make money with it. They never expected it to be so popular though and the protocol was never meant to handle such large volumes of traffic. So, it was more of a case of adapt or die. With 2.5 and 3G networks this problem still exists for text messages(sms), but at least MMS (purty picture messages) runs over the GPRS links on TCP/IP and video messages is fully IP on WCDMA (a technique of using unique code sequences in direct sequence spread spectrum communcations) ... Please correct me if I got something wrong.

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    4. Re:VERY TYPICAL OF GSM by KayEyeDoubleDee · · Score: 1
      Xenophobia? Stupid beliefs? Jeez, you people sure are defensive.

      I could have included that the IS-41 MAP layer includes SMS messaging and would be subject to the same problems. In fact the paper mentions that similiar problems apply to the CDMA air interface. Maybe, I should have said that, but my point was that the core MAP/SS7 network suffers from the exact same problem that the air interface apparently suffers from, for much the same reason.

      As someone whose actually worked in several cellular protocol environments, in several countries(and on several operating systems, no less!), I don't actually have a particular preference or bias, ..., except against morons that reflexively cry "xenophobia" when someone points out critical features of a protocol.

      (ps. If I had said that "AmeriKKKan" usage of IS-41 suffers from the same problem, would you have been happy?)

    5. Re:VERY TYPICAL OF GSM by KayEyeDoubleDee · · Score: 1
      The Engineers figured a way to send text messages over SS7 to communicate with each other while testing/ integrating

      This would be before my time, but are you implying that they sent messages in the SCCP payload? or within ISUP? ie, before there was a TCAP and MAP layer. I'm just assuming that ISUP was the first thing created in the effort to move ISDN signalling off the voice channels, and that TCAP/MAP/etc came about some time later.

    6. Re:VERY TYPICAL OF GSM by ebichete · · Score: 1

      This has been a noted problem by many GSM providers. There are regular "message storms" around holidays ("Happy New Year" messages are the worst, think New York Times Square area) and major news/sporting events.

      What many GSM providers now do is build a parallel messaging network that takes the text messages off the GSM control channel and distributes them, dropping back into the main GSM network at the nearest node to the recepient. In effect any jamming then only affects the node you are connected to (or just the nodes leading to the jump-off to the messaging network).

      So yeah, it's true. It's also known and being worked around.

  56. the math by Main+Gauche · · Score: 1
    "I don't feel like doing the probability math, but I would safely assume that the odds very good that there is at least one unique second in the day where 165+ messages are simultaneously."

    Surprisingly even just looking for a peak over 165 doesn't change the conclusions too much.

    We can use the Poisson distribution to model random arrivals (like text message requests). For example, if the average number of messages sent per second is 138, but they arrive randomly over time, then there is approximately a 1% chance of getting over 165 messages in any particular second we choose to examine.

    Or, if the average TM's per second is only 119, then the probability of going over 165 in any single second is 1/37,000. Since there are 28,800 seconds in the 8-hour working day, if the average is below 119 (which it surely is), it would be unlikely even to see a single disruption in an 8-hour period. I admit I was surprised the numbers came out this way, but they did. It ain't gonna happen.

  57. Re:I call shenanigans... (ISBN : 0520219783) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that is why I do not regret the purchase of ISBN : 0520219783

    a.k.a. Damned Lies and Statistics: Untangling Numbers from the Media, Politicians, and Activists

  58. Regional cell DOS unlikely by Phishcast · · Score: 1
    You can have your 1Gbps net connection or your network of 10,000 zombies out there. It seems to me that if you were trying to cause a cellular outage to a large region via this method (like a city), you'd quickly DOS the SMS or Email-to-text gateway before you'd ever cause an actual voice cell outage.

    One would think the guys and gals that set these systems up have thought of such things and keep their eyes open for it (think message throttling). A text-message outage wouldn't have nearly the impact of a voice outage.

  59. In other news... by mcdade · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm writing a paper on how you put enough cars thru a major traffic intersection and it will create a problem and cause downtime in that area. I'm going to to call it a 'traffic jam'.

    Tell us something we didn't know.. every technology has it's limit, flood it beyond capacity and you will see it fail.

    nice.

    -b

  60. Telco networks are not like the Internet by AB3A · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those of you who have never looked at a real phone network, allow me some bandwidth:

    Nobody has ever allowed for a one to one switching network like you may have seen with a switched hub. It's too expensive. They use trunk lines instead. The number of trunk lines depends on the statistics of the local area calling. There are benchmarks to use for various types of service. These systems are designed for four and five nines of up time. But it's not overload proof. You have all gotten fast busy signals before. That's because there were no trunks available.

    What these folks have figured out is how much bandwidth a typical cell site can have. They have figured out how many text messages it would take to fill up that available bandwidth. Big Deal. Cell sites do saturate. This is not a design "flaw" --it's a design point. Just as almost nobody builds buildings to withstand 200 MPH winds, almost nobody builds that much bandwidth in to a cell site. You could, but it would almost never get used.

    Instead we build them to handle almost all conditions. Yes, they can saturate. That's a political design issue. Someone who knows the design points can certainly overload one. But during normal use, they will work just fine. Since there are no lasting effects from such overload, most engineers figure that people will just clear out before things get too dicey.

    Naturally, some twits who want to jam cell phone conversations will find plenty of ways to do this. The network is built for civil use --not military use. That's why police and fire authorities use seperate communications networks (or if they don't they're just asking for trouble). That's why ham radio operators are often able to render assistance when everyone else is busy trying to call home. Common Carrier networks will overload at some point, just as roads can saturate and slow to a crawl. We'll never have enough bandwidth or enough roads. But we can ensure that there will be enough to get by.

    The Times could do for a brief lesson in engineering design criteria...

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  61. DoS'ing != Hacking by TX297 · · Score: 1

    I was listening to NPR earlier (and also checked random news sources when I got home) and found that quite a few news sources analogized "hacking on the internet" like this form of hacking. However, this sort of attack sounds more similar to a DoS attack rather than finding exploits to break in.

    1. Re:DoS'ing != Hacking by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      The attack itself, yes, but first you'd have to find a way.
      And this, IMO, is the hack.

  62. Network monitoring... by skelly33 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    • "Cellular providers, of course, fired back, one stating that it 'constantly and aggressively monitors potential threats to the integrity and security of its network."

    I have personally witnessed the monitoring that is performed by cellular network providers. I was actually pretty impressed with Verizon for it. Our company uses the Verizon network for cellular networking of computers (Internet connectivity through a PCMCIA-based cellular modem). We received a phone call out of the clear blue one day from a Verizon network technician who asked if we were having a problem with one of our machines. Though we hadn't seen any connectivity loss according to the machine's logs, they reported more than 10,000 attempted connection failures from our machine in a 24 hour period. They said this was usually indicative of an antenna problem on one of their towers, apologized profusely and said they had a crew out at the tower probing for the failure already. All this and we weren't even aware there was a problem.
  63. mod parent up by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    My mod points expired a couple of days ago.

    Could someone please mod this up?

    Thanks.

  64. OK by maxrate · · Score: 1
    I don't think I'm wrong. I stated (key word) BESIDES the store/forward/routing, meaning the store/forward/routing was important to consider. I was speaking in terms of bandwidth. Do you really think your local cellular telco doesn't get 165 messages a second? The article just didn't sit well with me.

    There are more than one control channels usually, and they are wide(r) channels compared with the other channels. Control channels (the actual RF) is transmitted at a higher dB then the other channels for aiding in receiving the channel clearly on a mobile terminal.

    My dad works as an engineer for Telus. He's not a senior engineer, but he gets to go into those really cool cellular offices you see sitting next to the antenna tower. (I've never been in one but he's taken a few snaps-very neat environment) He DOES know what's going on for the most part. Some of the guys that go in there are maintenance guys who replace boards, some do firmware upgrades, some do safety etc.

    My dad primarily does stuff with the backhauls most of the time, but at other times he is instructed to do other tasks. There is an actual box (more of a module) that handles the text messaging. It seems the wireless telcos pay for hardware devices when software could probably do the trick! One of the (Windows!) software based readouts on a monitoring station actually provides semi-real time stats of the SMS traffic, it goes thru some kind of an ATM router that I have no idea what it does exactly.

    He was saying he notices trends (at each cell site) for text messaging. For instance during the summer, the text messages actually get a heck of a lot more active in the evening then they are in the day. (the sending of text messages from a mobile unit to a mobile unit).

    So yes, I don't FULLY understand the article, because I didn't study it with as maybe a fine comb as you may have, my apologies. However I do have insight in the subject-I am not an expert, and because my father is in the business this does not make me an expert although he is. But what I'm getting at is it's not a bandwidth thing (very low speed connections can handle a considerable amount of traffic), it's more of a poor setup. The control channels actually signal the phones that something is going to happen, and the phone/network determine what kind of a connection should be setup/how much bandwidth/circuit switched or packet switched, etc,etc,etc. With the whole setup, my bandwidth figure is low. These towers can pass several Mbits/sec thru the air. The control channels are wider than the other channels and can pass those 32K/sec with ease. Well it just so happens with the system I've been told about is, yes control channel traffic is kept to a minimum (as much as possible), however when there are several events lined up, the system IS intelligent enough not to setup and tear down sessions on demand repetitively. It does accept a queue of traffic and that traffic moves very gracefully across the line. Yes, not all SMS traffic is passed thru the control channel in all systems. These are not 'pie in the sky' setups, these are systems you and I use everyday.

    I think for that article to be completely valid a number of things would have to be setup (or maybe I should say 'setup incorrectly' at the wireless telco providers end of things) for that attack to actually take place and work.

    Why don't you write a script to pump 165 text messages a second into the network and see what happens? By the way, use another mobile phone to monitor while your running the script to see what happens (yes I'm sure your script isn't controlling a bot net or anything, because you're not a mean guy or gal). I can tell you what will ACTUALLY happen ---- NOTHING.

    If a provider would actually not pay attention to this vulnerability (if you call it that) they would have been off-line a while ago. This article is basically saying that if your wireless telco is stupid, there network shouldn't be working right now.

    Come on, article aside, th

  65. Disrupt a regions calls huh? by MaTriXxx1 · · Score: 1


    Let me state this openly.... PLEASE HIT LOS ANGELES WITH THIS! It would be amazing to watch everyone focus on the road, and not their conversation about who slept with who last night.

    On a further note, I am curiuse as to wether they block sms relays? like teleflip, spicesms, etc.

    For example, i send an email to my phone number @teleflip.com
    example lets say my phone is (818)284-5555 (not real) id send a email to 8182845555@teleflip.com and the relay would send the email as a sms to my phone regardless of what carrier i use.

    So, theoretically, could you find a list of 1000 sms relays, and smtp bomb the heck out of em, and would it get through? and would you be able to hit that mystical 165/s mark?

    The article didn't seem to mention where the messages had to originate. I would assume if the message isn't originating on the network (through an sms relay) it wouldn't hit it as hard.

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    1. Re:Disrupt a regions calls huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your 13 aren't you?

      It's ok, you can admit it. It's obvious from your post.

    2. Re:Disrupt a regions calls huh? by MaTriXxx1 · · Score: 1

      actually im 24... your one of those 'drivers' with a cell phone permenatly attached to their ear while driving, aren't you? its ok, you can admit it

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  66. CDMA? by dfj225 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if CDMA networks would be less likely to be affected by this sort of attack since all data is sent on the same channel anyway. There is a quote in the article from Verizon (who uses a CDMA network) but it didn't really go into specifics.

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  67. What's the damn overhead on text messages? by argent · · Score: 1

    I had assumed that the text message system was insanely overpriced, because with any sane design that sending or receiving a text message should use less airtime and bandwidth than a fraction of a second of scratchy hold music.

    If only 165 messages a second is enough to overwhelm a cell that can run dozens of high-quality voice channels, let alone use more then a couple of packets on the equivalent of a BRI's "D" channel... what kind of overhead do the damn things HAVE?

  68. Well I'm glad my carrier isn't quite that evil by arodland · · Score: 1

    When I have an incoming text message, I get the sender and a choice to READ or CANCEL, and if I cancel, I don't pay.

  69. Re:SMS is quite popular in Europe, how come not Do by chris+macura · · Score: 1

    The best Comcast will give you is 8mbps download, 768kbps upload.

    A T1 line is around 200 monthly, a DC-3 is about 2000. OC-3 runs at $7000+.

  70. SMs are a hack by beeblebrox · · Score: 1

    The reason they have "overhead" is that they use the (limited) control (signaling) channel. I understand SMS was added to the GSM standard late-ish in the design process.

    If you're feeling masochistic, have a look at the spec here.

    1. Re:SMs are a hack by argent · · Score: 1

      The reason they have "overhead" is that they use the (limited) control (signaling) channel.

      Oh. Ouch. Idiots.

  71. Working for Virgin Mobile by IKnwThePiecesFt · · Score: 1

    Who uses Sprints network, I have seen effects of cell sites being overloaded. In areas where hurricane evacuees flocked, we've gotten tons of calls about people unable to make voice calls. I don't know if SMS spam could do the same thing, but cell networks are quite possible to strain. Don't know if this helps the discussion, but it's what my experience has taught me.

  72. No sh*t Sherlock by mark2003 · · Score: 1

    This is another of those great stories where people release research on the bleeding obvious.

    Has anyone tried to use their handset in a heavilly populated urban area at around midnight on New Year's Eve? Suprisingly enough, due to all the people sending "Happy New Year" SMSs the network falls to it's knees - the spike in traffic traffic is such, we were carrying of the order of thousands of SMSs/second, that it is simply uneconomical to build a network that will support it (you would have half your capacity unused for the rest of the year).

    Maybe I should apply for a professorship at Penn State as not only did I already know that, I was also responsible for putting a solution together to deal with these very issues at my empolyer (large mobile telco) last Xmas/New Year. You can actually manage the level of service you offer to get around this and give priority to 999 (911) calls and calls made by handsets owned by the emergency services (and network engineers).

    1. Re:No sh*t Sherlock by Slashcrap · · Score: 1

      You can actually manage the level of service you offer to get around this and give priority to 999 (911) calls and calls made by handsets owned by the emergency services (and network engineers).

      A point that a number of others have made (rightly or wrongly) is that SMS uses the control channel. If the control channel to any particular tower is flooded, how do you setup a call? Surely you can only give priority to certain calls once the calls have actually been setup?

      What you've done sounds like setting up QoS on a router. Which probably doesn't help much if the router is being DoS'ed out of existance.

      What am I missing?

    2. Re:No sh*t Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, it's even more stupid than you think...

      "Communications system blocked up by using up all of its capacity!!" Thanks, Einstein.

      Anyway, it would take a pretty dumb GSM network operator to allow this to happen. SMS is a store-and-forward system: your texts are first directed to the Short Message Service Centre (SMSC), where they wait until delivered - at the whim of the network - or until they expire after a user-defined period of up to 36 hours.

      Incidentally, you'd not be able to send 165 messages/sec from a single handset. You'd need a direct connection to some kind of gateway on the SMSC. For example, in the UK you would do this on the Vodafone SMSC using a Paknet radio pad (amongst other options).

      Anyway, whenever the hell they feel like it (there is no QoS guarantee with SMS) the operator will allow a number of SMs to be sent out by the SMSC on the Control Channel of the GSM air interface. Yes, this is the same channel which carries call set-up and other control information for a fraction of the time. No, they won't allow so much out that the Control Channel can't do its job.

      In other words, they'd have to DoS attack themselves for this to work. Looks purely theoretical to me, as well as bl**dy obvious.

      Incidentally, others have observed that the network can fail under enormous call loading. Yes, it can. You get tens of thousands of phones all requesting call set-up on the same limited number of radio channels and time-slots and noise is going to wreak havoc somewhere.

      Do I get a Ph.D now, too?

    3. Re:No sh*t Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The paper points out that the attack is done not with your own cell phone but through the web site interfaces that allow one to send SMS messages. These can be exploited by anyone anywhere in the world and is where the attack becomes so troubling.

      Rate limiting the SMS messages is mentioned in the paper as a solution; to this point, it doesn't appear that cell providers are doing this. Making mutliple queues for SMS and voice control messages is not easy if the infrastructure is not in place, which it doesn't appear to be right now. The solution of waiting up to 36 hours for SMS messages itself is an admission of faiure, as you have now destroyed the ability for regular users to use this enormously popular service (I'd just send an email if I knew my messages would take hours to get to the person).

      Unfortunately for you, getting a Ph.D. actually requires some ability to read. Sorry, pal.

  73. And if you want to REALLY p*ss off the wrong ppl.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... just remember that low-digit telephone numbers (xxx)xxx-0000, (xxx)xxx-0001, (xxx)xxx-0002, etc. usually belong to the techs for that area. ;)

  74. monitor what? by crashelite · · Score: 1

    my ISP monitors my internet too but i go way over my monthly limit (some odd 40GB a month) and they dont catch that...

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  75. Hysterically Funny... by Hosiah · · Score: 1
    How cellphones have become so much like miniature computers that you can actually take them down with a Denial-of-Service attack! And the company responds by hiding it's head in the sand - terrific! By the way, you can spend gobs of money sending the text messages, or have pager-alerts sent for free all day from your email account; I know Yahoo already does this.

    I saw this coming, and I see more coming yet. Cell phones will have all of the bad aspects of computers (crashing, viruses, spam, hacks, expense) and none of the benefits. I've never gotten one - I have too many other tech gizmos to bother with - and I'm beginning to be glad I didn't.

    1. Re:Hysterically Funny... by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      But then your friends are all nerds hanging out at IRC and /.
      Even though the hammer can be smashed to pieces doesn't mean the hammer isn't useful.

  76. Incorrect. by hughk · · Score: 1

    I definitely know that GSM and related standards send SMS over the control channel. Multi-media messages use a 'voice' channel as the control channel is easily overloaded.

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    1. Re:Incorrect. by BarryNorton · · Score: 1

      Oh, you definitely know? Well, I'll take your word for it, stranger on the Internet... no need to point to the relevant section of the standard!

    2. Re:Incorrect. by hughk · · Score: 1
      IS-41 is a good starting point giving the SMSSC architecture. The architectural layers are based on SS7 TCAP. The air-interface uses the control channel to the BSC. I can't remember where in the full GSMstandard that is (it was around 13 volumes when I last had access). TDMA systems use a similar architecture but I don't know the details there.

      Sorry, before being seduced by the delights of investment banking, I worked for a stint at a european telephone system manufacturer.

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  77. Even easier. by ins0m · · Score: 1

    If you know the zip and exchange you wish to take down, you can just walk every 4-digit combination (and it doesn't matter if the number's good or not; it'll be routed regardless).

    Oh, wait. You can always perform trial and error.

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  78. SDCCH congestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is communication channel known as SDCCH (Stand Alone Dedicated Control Channel) which is used to set up the calls and to send the text messages. If you set up an evil mobile phone in such way that it will just order the SDCCH resources in the endless loop (normal phone needs to be authorized prior to sending the message) then due to channel congestion will be impossible to make a new calls in this cell.

  79. bladox smspal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe bladox smspal could be used

  80. Nope, it's free. by raehl · · Score: 1

    You're mistaking what you are BILLED with what you PAY. You may rack up $990/minute in charges, but that doesn't mean you have to pay them...

  81. +5 WTF? by Slashcrap · · Score: 1

    Everybody on the count of three! Start text messaging microsoft.com as fast as you can! From there we'll move on to Yahoo.com, and maybe even cnn.com for fun!

    I tell you what - if you can explain how one sends an SMS to microsoft.com, yahoo.com or anyotherfuckingsite.com then I'll laugh at your joke.

    Did you think we were talking about MSN Messenger or something? Because that doesn't make any fucking sense either.

    Also, could the person that modded this up please report for sterilization? Thanks in advance.

    1. Re:+5 WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was posted to get a reaction. They obviously know that it wouldn't work. They must have been trying to get someone to respond. Obviously it wasn't the bigger response they were looking for, but you have responded and so they are happy. BTW, the mod points are from good Karma... It seems that sometimes they like to post strong opinions, or stupid ones for that, in order to get people started on a discussion or thread. That gets more attention from the actual moderators and up goes the Karma. You should follow suit, you're only posting at a 1. This person's every post is modded at +2 to start with. :)


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  82. New Years Eve in Australia, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Over here in Australia, on New Years eve, the entire network is brought to it's knees. I assume there are not only bandwidth issues with the local spectrum provided, but also between cells or with the central aggregation point.

    Using your cell phone pretty much within 30 minutes either side of Midnight is practically impossible, unless you have very good patience - and that's only to send a text message, a phone call is like asking jesus to appear for you. It seems to get worse every year, as usage gets higher and higher. And messages often take hours to be delivered, I received half a dozen messages, scattered between about 2 30 am and 4 30 am on the 1st of January this year, all sent at 12:00:xx.

    I forgot to mention, I live in a small town (probably 2 000 or so people), served by atleast half a dozen cells (well, half a dozen are available with good signal quality, with the one dedicated to us being visible all through town and often from remote locations as our town is slightly risen)

    I've always wondered why when watching the countdown on TV (Regular free-to-air) the video feed usually distorts fairly noticeably as soon as the new year is it - like interference.. What could that be?

    1. Re:New Years Eve in Australia, anyone? by prefect42 · · Score: 1

      You're not wrong there AC. I received a text sent from Sydney on new year's and it arrived in the UK on the 7th...

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  83. META-MOD THE POSITIVE MODERATORS DOWN by BarryNorton · · Score: 1

    This place is falling apart - moderation in the hands of retards! Mod this down so that it's got no chance of being seen (if any other meta-moderators actually look at context) if you like - at least you'll be using up your points on something valid (this is off-topic) instead of awarding them to people who don't RTFA, then become moderators and perpetuate the decline...

  84. I don't buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SMS is store and forward, not guaranteed to be sent in real time. The sent SMS can be queued in the SMS centre, and I wouldn't be suprised if this had a bandwidth throttle on it to prevent a flood of SMSs being forwarded to the MSCs and BTSs and hogging the bandwidth of the network.

    Most likely you could flood the SMSC and cause a delay in SMS delivery, but probably not disrupt the voice service.

  85. almost true by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    they also prioritised calls for key personnel (medical, police, military etc) so that their registered GSM phones had priority. this, combined with 999 prioritisation was what happened during the london bombings.
    interestingly, the 999/112 emergency call prioritisation happens automatically. if you're in a cell which is overloaded with traffic and you can't make a call, this can and has been abused by users who make an emergency call (which boots off a number of live calls at the nearest base station to take it), hanging up before connection, and then redial the number they want, which will connect via the free slots created.
    this is highly antisocial and obviously stupid though.

  86. wouldn't work on the original gms spec by Samarian+Hillbilly · · Score: 1

    I'm not up to date, but 6 years ago when I read the then current GMS spec. SMS data was sub-band data, that is, absolutely limited bandwidth that is always there. It couldn't possibly interfere with phone calls, since it simply get's piggy-backed on existing phone call data.

  87. There are easier ways to jam by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    What the cellphone companies never mention (and hackets don't
    seem to have picked up on) is that if you want to jam a
    cellphone network just switch on a high power wideband
    UHF transmitter on the same frquency band (easily built by someone
    with reasonable RF electronics ability) It shouldn't even
    need to be modulated but you could always play metallica on it
    just to be sure the phones can't pick up any data.

  88. No telco engineers here , move along please by cavver · · Score: 1

    At +3 lavel i saw only one post containg the word SIGNALLING . Wow , that is so awful , no telco engineers read slashdot. Shame on you .

  89. Another problem by orange_eng · · Score: 1

    Most cell phones have only capacity for storing a limited number of messages. Once they are full the phone tells the network "memory full" and the network (SMSC) will stop sending the SMS for a while. So this attack may work for a short while but then the phone's memory will quickly become full and no messages will be sent and the rest of the networks SMS and voice calls will work again. The subscribers targeted will not be able to recieve any more messages but apart from that there will be no other problems.

    1. Re:Another problem by ebichete · · Score: 1

      One other thing to note is that the network has a "memory" too. Mobile networks have a configurable limit of how many messages they will hold waiting for a phone number (and how long they will hold them).

  90. This happens in real life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who was in London for the recent Terrorist attacks and tried to make a mobile phone call on a GSM network will have experienced this. In the immediate aftermaths of the attacks the cell networks become overloaded with large numbers of people all trying to call relatives - the result being that it's difficult to reliably send SMS messages, or make voice calls. There is an interesting hack that you can use - take advantage of the emergency call spec. If you dial 112 on a handset this connects you to the emergency services - the GSM spec prioritises this, so signalls the base station which will drop other calls to allow the emergency call to get through. To take advantage of this you do the following: 1. Dial 112 & hang up immediately (before any connection, but after the GSM signal) The base station now drops some calls to free up bandwidth 2. Dial the number you want, you will get a GSM connection In a typicall terrorist situation you'll then often find that the landline switches are overloaded, so unlucky - but it's worth an attempt. No liability is accepted to anyone actually doing this. You didn't hear it from me. :-)

  91. 1500 bytes per message by iambarry · · Score: 1

    OK, I'm a little late in reading this story...

    From my (albeit quick) reading of the paper, it seems like they are saying that 165 messages a second could overwhelm the control channels of a Manhattan sized cell network, blocking call setup.

    However, they are basing this on 1500 bytes per text message packet. That seems way too large for most SMS messages. Wouldn't the easy solution be just to block messages over a couple of hundred characters?

    --Barry

  92. Beutiful paper, but not possible by jose+parinas · · Score: 1

    Beautiful paper, but in the practice this couldn't happen. TV SHows in latin america and spain, that I personally know, receives near 150.000 sms per hour (~40 sms/sec). With a modem gprs/gsm we can send 30 sms/second. In fact, i my former job we sent periodically over 50 sms/sec without DOS effect over GSM networks. Are you telling that with 4 modems we can disrupt the all the cell phones in Manhattan? No, is not possible. Even without modems, using SMPP directly, the protocol is so slow that we can't reach a throghput big enough to make this possible. In practice, Cell Phones Companies doesn't allow more than 40-50 sms/sec. Personally, I wrote a ESME application server server with a throughput of 600 sms/sec, using SMPP, but no company ever acepted more than 50 sms/sec, because of contention. There is a lot of contention in SMSC and all ESMEs must be aware of this, and manage their own queues because of this. In the paper the investigator forgot some important bussines step before the SMSC query the HLR. The SMSC must consult de Subscribers Database and check billing systems, for example. This is the main reason of contention of sms messages. I don't know how cell phones billing is in USA, but in many countries there is a limit based on the plan subscripted.