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Moving from a Permanent Position to Contract Work?

duncan bayne asks: "I'm sure many developers in salaried, permanent positions have been tempted by the self-management, flexibility and higher pay that are the perks of being a contractor, while at the same time looking nervously at the uncertainty and irregular income. So, to all those in the Slashdot crowd who've made the change - what was it like, was it worth it, and what advice can you share?"

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  1. Clarification by rackhamh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Contracting isn't exactly self-management. Many companies prefer to do all project management themselves and simply treat contractors as implementers.

    1. Re:Clarification by IDkrysez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More likely self-management in terms of employment regulations -- IIRC, if you're a contractor then your employer is not allowed to define the hours of when you work or don't work; they can only define milestones for your progress and set times for meetings they need you to attend.

      You should get paid more, and have more freedom in this sense... and you'd need to be self-managing in terms of making yourself get the work done :)

      If you're lucky, you might've found a job where you can pretty much set your own hours anyway -- i.e., if your employer trusts you and believes that you're more efficient and happy when working when you *want* to, then whee! Benefits of regular employment are nice, I do contract work on the side... and thus I've lost all freedom! ;)

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    2. Re:Clarification by rackhamh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IIRC, if you're a contractor then your employer is not allowed to define the hours of when you work or don't work
      That may be; I don't know the legal side of it. But in practical terms, on projects that require interaction with business groups, you will be working the same hours that they do. Furthermore, some companies will require that you work on-site, as a means of providing secure access to company resources -- which will also limit your working hours.

      I'm sure it's possible to build up a consulting business that avoids this kind of situations, but you may have to turn down some lucrative jobs to maintain such standards.

    3. Re:Clarification by tezbobobo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've actually had less autonomy. Whilst working for the company, they dictate your time and what they think you should be doing and so on. Since I went contract firm want a much stricter account of the time spent. For a person like me who'd prefer to get the job done and not worry about the paper work, that is very frustrating. All of a sudden lunch breaks and my many coffee breaks are a no-go or at east a keep secret. Same for cigarettes.

      Oh yeah, there is also the finance paper work...

    4. Re:Clarification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The legal side of it is covered in section 1706 of the Tax Code. See the "Safe Harbor" Provisions.

      From the sounds of it, you're not a contractor at all; just a temporary employee, who isn't paying the proper taxes.

      The problem here is that you're exposing your so-called client to legal risk. The I.R.S. can recategorize you as an employee, and force your employer/client to pay all the back taxes that they should have been paying, along with penalties.

      In general, it's not a good idea to expose your clients to unnecessary legal risks. A real contractor WOULD know the the legal side of things, and not do this.

    5. Re:Clarification by it_goat · · Score: 1

      Agree totally, I worked Contract for nearly 15 years. Some was identical to a day job. Some was work at home "X" hours a month as long as the job got done. I found trying to establish a customer base that would allow me to select more projects from the more flexable clients worked best.

    6. Re:Clarification by xenophrak · · Score: 1


      The parent post is referring to the trouble an employer can get into if they treat a contractor (1099, or otherwise) as an regular employee by defining work hours or requirements other than what the project dictates.

      This same situation is what led to the suit against Microsoft by what came to be know as permatemps. As well, an employer has to carry worker's comp insurance for employees and pay some benefits. If you are a contractor treated as an employee, the employer has to do these things.

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    7. Re:Clarification by slick50 · · Score: 1

      This point is very true...but if you call them out on it, you will be lucky if you are still employed.

    8. Re:Clarification by unixbugs · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "...if you're a contractor then your employer is not allowed to define the hours of when you work or don't work..."

      Depends on the what the contract says, dude. I signed one for data cabling saying I'd be at work at 8 AM until the last light on the switch was lit - or until the boss gave in. Thats just the deal, and the money was almost worth getting home at 3 AM only to wake up at 7 to do it all over again. In the environment I work in now, which is VoIP Administration (Go Gentoo!), a contract would fit me very well but the people doing the hiring are smart enough to give me salary and expect me to get to work on time and leave when it is appropriate, which is usually up to me. I can almost schedule the time that I leave by adjusting the pace at which I operate and plan things throughout the day; something you might expect from a contractor ;)

      Its just been my experience that it depends on what kind of person you are and what kind of deal you are willing to sign. If the money is good and you can rock and roll with a keyboard and some crimpers, stay awake late and get up early, then a contract is the way to go if you can get it. In my case, personally, I grew a little tired of 80 hour weeks and kind of enjoy my desk job. It's about half the pay but it is far less than half the work.

      Ask yourself this: What do you want and how bad do you want it?

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    9. Re:Clarification by simpl3x · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, yes! And, employees of said company are threatened by you in ways hard to imagine. I have recently ditched a small business to simply find myself. I am a designer also, rather than a programer, though I'm sure your mileage will not vary much!

      The reason that the pay is higher is both taxes and the non-work factor. You spend a lot of time finding work, simply in phone calls and undecided solicitors. Businesses are not fond of paying people upwards of fity an hour, and those reps take a percentage. They try to get you in there for the most maximized of tasks. I've found that the best short term employers are actually those large businesses you might be currently employed by.

      If you are at the very least frightened of business, because that's what you will be, do not do this. If you seek flexibility, it is an option. You might want to read the recent Outside magazine, and the founder of Patagonia's new book on business. It is insightful to those of us who seek to be successful outside of the constraints of a "position."

    10. Re:Clarification by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Depends which country you are contracting in (assuming the U.S., I agree with you).

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    11. Re:Clarification by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, it's 9:30 PM on Friday night and I, along with most of the rest of the team, is hard at work. I say "most", because the contractors all left at 5.

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    12. Re:Clarification by rackhamh · · Score: 1

      I'm a full-time employee. I'm just stating what I've learned from contractors I've worked with.

    13. Re:Clarification by harmic · · Score: 2, Informative
      More likely self-management in terms of employment regulations -- IIRC, if you're a contractor then your employer is not allowed to define the hours of when you work or don't work; they can only define milestones for your progress and set times for meetings they need you to attend.

      You're employer is allowed to stipulate whatever they like in the contract. You should read the proposed contract quite carefully before signing it. Usually you will be signing a standard contract from an agency that specifies that you will work the standard core hours of the client, unless agreed otherwise with your manager.

    14. Re:Clarification by lewp · · Score: 1

      I miss actually getting paid for my time :(.

      Stupid salary. /me goes back to being on call all weekend, something our contractors never have to do.

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    15. Re:Clarification by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      I miss getting sick days, paid vacation, and benefits other than a paycheck. :(

      Stupid contract work. /me goes back to looking for a salaried position

    16. Re:Clarification by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Depends on the what the contract says, dude.

      And that contract is going to figure into the IRS's determination of your true employment status. If your contract says you'll be there from X o'clock to Y o'clock, performing your work as directed by the employer, with the employer's equipment and on the employer's premises, it's going to be pretty hard for anyone to argue to the IRS that you're not an employee, regardless of what's in the contract.

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    17. Re:Clarification by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      You're employer is allowed to stipulate whatever they like in the contract.

      They sure are, but if the IRS comes in and investigates the situation and they fail the "20 questions" test, the contract isn't going to mean squat when employer ends up having to write a big check to them.

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  2. Funny you should ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I first started out it was definately frightening, however as time went on they kept giving me more and more responbility, eventually they ended up with a contract CEO. Don't ask. But the perk for me is that since I'm contract I can hit on the hot workers at my workplace without having to worry about any side effects. Try it sometime.

    1. Re:Funny you should ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I will. Where's your workplace?

    2. Re:Funny you should ask by winkydink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They can also tell you that today is your last day for no reason at all. Or worse, call you after you've left for the day and tell you not to come back.

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    3. Re:Funny you should ask by kenevel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess it has a lot to do with the culture where you're working now. I know guys who are happy at a small firm who have implemented XP who are well paid and have no inclination to jump ship. I was at a very large consultancy, itching for more responsibility and more design work and left without a contract to go to a couple of years ago. As soon as I had a leaving date, the interviews came in and I sorted out a contract within a week of resigning. Since then I haven't looked back.

      Where do you work to get fit staff to hit on? The places I've ended up has been almost entirely wall-to-wall blokes. Not what you'd call a target-rich environment...

    4. Re:Funny you should ask by nomad_monad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hot coworkers?

      Sorry, I think the original poster was talking about contracting for TECH companies...

    5. Re:Funny you should ask by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Willful employment" is a common practice, even amongst full time "permanent" employees. So what if they don't want you back. They still have to pay. They do have to honor a contract...unless there's a stipulation that says otherwise...or they can afford a decent lawyer to help them weasel out of it.

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    6. Re:Funny you should ask by nolife · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Almost any employer can do that, contract worker or not. I'd image there are variations from state to state though.

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    7. Re:Funny you should ask by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      since I'm contract I can hit on the hot workers at my workplace without having to worry about any side effects.

      How do you figure? You can get sued for sexual harassment whether you're an employee or not. You can also be released from your contract for violating the employer's rules of conduct while you're in their building.

      Also, basically all CEOs and upper level management are on contract. They may draw a salary, but you can bet they have contracts spelling out things like severance pay and bonus structure.

    8. Re:Funny you should ask by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know guys who are happy at a small firm who have implemented XP

      Microsoft is hardly considered a small firm.

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    9. Re:Funny you should ask by winkydink · · Score: 1

      Most companies take some litigation prevention steps like verbal & written warnings, performance improvement plans, etc... At the end of the day, if they want to fire your butt, you're gone anyway, but, speaking as a PHB, it's a lot of work. In some companies, especially larger, profitable ones, it can be so much work, it's almost as if they want you to keep the dead wood.

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    10. Re:Funny you should ask by winkydink · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find that, for the most part, there's a pretty big gap between "can" and "will"

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    11. Re:Funny you should ask by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Also, basically all CEOs and upper level management are on contract. They may draw a salary, but you can bet they have contracts spelling out things like severance pay and bonus structure.

      Well, if you are getting technical about it, ALL employees are on contract. I am salaried, not a CEO and I signed a contract, with specific terms about stock options, severance, etc. Sure, I don't get predefined performance bonuses, but that just means executive level contracts are BETTER than mine (or most other salaried employees :)

    12. Re:Funny you should ask by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      That's better than what my employer did. They waited until we got to work and then told us to go home.

    13. Re:Funny you should ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for a government agency and I was lucky enough to meet my girlfriend there. I was also unlucky enough to be reporting to her in terms of the situation it later created. Well, we were _both_ contractors and it's been hell after it came up. We kept low profile for almost a year and never brought personal stuff to work, but someone spilled it out to an idiot whom we both had to fire for incompetence 2 weeks after he was hired. Now, why am I posting this BS: there's the funny thing. Would we be government employees, nothing would happen. We had several family couples working at the same building and - hey, no problem. They're _employees_.

      So, the point is - no hitting on hot co-workers... Or at least not not so easy :)

    14. Re:Funny you should ask by Trejkaz · · Score: 1

      It seems like the first rule of contracting should be to actually get a contract. Then when the employer does this, you still get all your money and as an added bonus you don't have to do the rest of the work you originally had to do to earn it. :-)

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    15. Re:Funny you should ask by dwandy · · Score: 1
      Not necessarily.
      All the contracts in our organisation have a termination clause, which either party can exercise with appropriate notice.
      I'm not in the contracting side, so I don't know the exact details, but if I understood correctly, the employer can give 24hrs notice, and the contractor has to give 4-weeks...
      Either way, if they don't want you, they can terminate the contract w/o penalty.

      Like previous poster said: Read the contract. There's lots of choice when it comes to contracting.

      And the 'pimps' are no better - while they offer the advantage of doing the job-search for you, their cut can be quite high, and worse, the contract may lock you in to their company. One of our former contractors is still in court over this... :(

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    16. Re:Funny you should ask by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed. I contracted into SBC to analyze a migration of their accounts system to Java. It became obvious very quickly that two individuals controlled the entire system. Two "old school thought" guys who didn't want their egos bruised. I spent the last four months sitting there drawing money. They didn't give any kind of crap about what I did, so I got that time to do some online study and research.

      Last I talked to someone there (two yrs ago), they were still where they were then. Sad.

    17. Re:Funny you should ask by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "And the 'pimps' are no better - while they offer the advantage of doing the job-search for you, their cut can be quite high, and worse, the contract may lock you in to their company. One of our former contractors is still in court over this... :("

      Strictly depends on who they are and where you are. In Missouri, they cannot lock you into their company, regardless of what the contract reads.

    18. Re:Funny you should ask by sfontain · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They can also tell you that today is your last day for no reason at all. Or worse, call you after you've left for the day and tell you not to come back.

      In most states, any company can do that, whether you are contracted or not.

    19. Re:Funny you should ask by arkanes · · Score: 1

      I get pimped through TekSystems, and have (mostly) only good things to say. The only problems I've had with them have been delays in payroll, which was caused by Katrina destroying the office I was paid out of, and seems to be all cleared up now. There is an equivilence to a no-compete, which prevents me from cancelling my contract and going to work for my employer, but I don't mind it too much, it's a reasonable thing on thier part.

    20. Re:Funny you should ask by elasticwings · · Score: 1

      Well, after seeing half my department let go from their fulltime jobs they had been with for several years with no notice at all, I don't really see any difference anymore. I'm actually very much considering moving to contract work after I get my RHCE and maybe a NetApp certification or two.

    21. Re:Funny you should ask by dwandy · · Score: 2, Informative
      sadly, you don't have to be right to drag someone into court ... you just have to be willing to pay legal fees.
      The former contractor I made reference to has been in court for a couple of years, has lost his house and his wife over this, and imho, the pimp doesn't have a leg to stand on ... just the bucks to keep litigating.

      I think the company (at this point) is just fighting 'cause it knows he's broke... :(

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    22. Re:Funny you should ask by MrCopilot · · Score: 1
      They can also tell you that today is your last day for no reason at all. Or worse, call you after you've left for the day and tell you not to come back.

      This is different for contract work how?

      I work in Florida a "right to work" state. Pretty much "right to fire" too.

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  3. It was worth it by RGRistroph · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it was worth it to me. You have to realize that you won't always get higher pay and more flexibility; sometimes part of becoming your own one-man company is that you have less flexibility because you are the only one to do things. And while the pay may be more per hour often you get fewer hours, or spend huge amounts of time marketing yourself and doing research to setting up contracts.

    Still, on the whole it is worth it. You do have more independence.

    Traditionally people following this route have had former employers as their main clients. With sites such as scriptlance, rentacoder, guru.com, and etc., you can now get a larger client base, and even start doing it before you quit your old job.

    However, I do have to say, that if insecurity makes you nervous, maybe you shouldn't do it, or at least save up money for a while first.

    1. Re:It was worth it by knightinshiningarmor · · Score: 1

      You have to realize that you won't always get higher pay

      What are you talking about? I get paid a lot of... Whoa.. the lights are flickering. Dang, this happened at the same time last month. I'll just send this and finish when the power comes back up.. sorry.

    2. Re:It was worth it by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think it's worth it also, but doing your taxes can get pretty complicated, and you might find yourself paying into unemployement, workman's comp, etc. Self employment can be bureaucratic hell.

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    3. Re:It was worth it by mre5565 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Assuming you are posting from the USA, how do you deal with health insurance, given that the USA's system is biased toward employer provided health insurance?

    4. Re:It was worth it by slughead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it was worth it to me. You have to realize that you won't always get higher pay and more flexibility; sometimes part of becoming your own one-man company is that you have less flexibility because you are the only one to do things. And while the pay may be more per hour often you get fewer hours, or spend huge amounts of time marketing yourself and doing research to setting up contracts.

      Still, on the whole it is worth it. You do have more independence.


      I didn't find it worth it, but I never got established. I always had trouble finding work for appropriate pay, and never really did think I was getting paid enough.

      Although I also did work for small businesses, which meant that they didn't know what they wanted and were pissed when they didn't get it or got what they didn't know they needed.

      It could've been just me and my inability to tell them how it is, but dealing with stingy and computer illiterate mom-and-pop's was just a nightmare.

      Web work was the worst:

      Me: What kind of website do you want? What do you want it to do? I can do this, this and this.
      Them: I want it bright green with a picture of me here, here, and here and some products here.. BIG pictures with bright colors and happy faces
      Me: OK well you know half the world won't sit around for the 10 minutes it's going to take to load all that on dialup, not to mention you haven't told me if you want them to be able to order online
      Them: Yes, I want them to order online and we'll calculate the shipping and process the credit cards on this computer over here
      Me: You can't do that, --
      Them: --LISTEN! I'M THE BOSS AND I'LL TELL YOU HOW IT IS
      Me: Yes sir

      (two weeks later)

      Me: OK, all done. So just out of curiosity who are you going to hire to sit at the computer all day and process all the orders in real time?
      Them: We thought you were going to do that.
      Me: If you read the contract very carefully, I believe it states quite clearly that I'm not your bitch. Now where's my check?


      It's a true enigma why I never got any referals from them. Last time I checked they had to take their site down and replace it with a simple list of products and a phone number.

    5. Re:It was worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely worth it for me.

      Before I left my old company, I planned the move for about 3 months. I had a list of things I needed to get done, & it was simply a matter of accomplishing the goals on the list.

      My goals were summed up in the following:

      Eliminate monthly costs as much as possible
      Build up savings to last 2+ months of unemployment

      My previous employer remained a client, & I gained another via contacts made while working there. These two clients have projects that are ongoing, so the pressure of money coming in next week/month is minimal.

    6. Re:It was worth it by bigpat · · Score: 1

      And while the pay may be more per hour often you get fewer hours, or spend huge amounts of time marketing yourself and doing research to setting up contracts.

      There are plentiful middlemen that are happy to do this work for a cut of the money. They run the gammut from companies that will hire you out as a W2 employee, to ones that will contract you out and pay your cut after they get paid. Sure this often makes you a bit less independent as you won't develop as many direct contacts with decision makers at companies, but it also can give you more opportunities and you can always turn down a job if it is not the right fit. Though with them taking anywhere from 15-40% ongoing cut depending on the arrangement, it can make you feel like you aren't getting a fair share especially on longer term contracts.

    7. Re:It was worth it by cavehamster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been a consultant for almost 3 years now. Seems strange that it has been 3 years now, it seems I was starting out only yesterday. Before that I was a contractor in about the same position for about 2 years, so a fair spot of experience.

      As I figure, there is really no employer->employee loyalty these days. I have friends who always ask me if I am nervous about finding work or paying bills, but you know, I seem to stay pretty stable while they fret about the next round of layoffs. After a while, you get somewhat used to seeing business opportunities here and there and it really keeps you going. Basically, I feel much more comfortable being personally in charge of my own destiny rather than the CTO of some big corporation deciding to downsize your position to improve headcount.

      I work with big companies and small companies, and my take on it is that small companies really want someone who is willing to hold their hand and get them to a point where stuff just works. I find with some sensible recommendations that this is usually easy to accomplish, and if the company already has ideas of what they want, help them evaluate those ideas and change them to meet what they really want to get out of the overall system. Seems pretty simple, but you'd be surprised at how often other companies just want to book the revenue and sell them solutions that are either overkill or not practical.

      Big companies like solutions that tie in well with what they already have, as they usually want to be able to maintain it on their own. I usually take pains to document and train employees on how to keep systems I setup running, as I find it builds good word of mouth marketing, plus it puts you first in line for new installs where you make your good money.

      All that said, I am pretty much at the limit of amount of work one guy can do, but not quite willing to expand to more employees for fear of not having enough money for more than one person. However, I still have free time on weekends, the ability to just take a day off, and I typically don't get up before 9 or 10am most days, so no rush hour to mess with.

      Also, bear in mind that you don't get paid like clockwork every 2 weeks. I get behind on invoices a lot, leading to living a poor month and then a huge payday. Annoying, but it actually works out pretty well, all said. I have a HSA health plan that seems to be working out, and I get to decide what directions I would like to expand in instead of being told what project I am going to work on next whether I like it or not.

      All in all, a very worthwhile choice.

    8. Re:It was worth it by halr9000 · · Score: 1

      My response to the taxes point would be to help lobby for the Fairtax. Fairtax would cause small biz ownership to soar (among other benefits).

    9. Re:It was worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm 27, pay for my own health insurance. It costs $110 a month. When I go to a doctor, I pay a flat fee of $15.

      Not having a job is only an excuse to not have health insurance. Anyone can get it, they just choose to "save money".

    10. Re:It was worth it by kupci · · Score: 1
      Me: You can't do that, --

      Them: --LISTEN! I'M THE BOSS AND I'LL TELL YOU HOW IT IS

      Me: Yes sir

      That reminds me of a story someone told me about. They worked on a commerce web site for a major retailer trying to figure out the web. They insisted that the customer's order should be submitted, even if they hit the back button, or close button. They wanted the sale. Consultant tells them they can't do that, that's not how it works. Client is adamant. Consultant(s) build site as requested. Entire project is a failure, the above issue being just one of many goofs.

    11. Re:It was worth it by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, it seems to me that you lack the kind of skills to properly interface with the non-geek world. This unto itself limits your potential for acquiring and keeping new clients.

      It could've been just me and my inability to tell them how it is, but dealing with stingy and computer illiterate mom-and-pop's was just a nightmare.

      Stingy Mom and Pop's are exactly why I interview my clients... I never sign with anyone who haggles with me or is simply interested in doing things on the cheap. Blatant honesty helps also, during the first meeting with a potential new client I inform them that my prices are inflexible, my hourly rate is expensive, I don't do credit on material goods, I don't make any exceptions... and if they accept that they will receive a quality of work and service that they can't find elsewhere. I don't find it necessary to advertise, or even keep a website, all of my new clients are referrals.

      Despite the fact that it costs quite a bit over $1,000 to employ me for a day, I have no shortage of business (and this is in a county with a median income of about $30,000) and little to no downtime between contracts, and because I'm picky about who I take as a client, I never have the slow/late pay problems that seem to plage the people who will take any contract.

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    12. Re:It was worth it by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      My experiences have mirrored the parent poster's. All-hail my current salaried position. Contract work for mom-and-pop shops is just not worth the headache and inevitable hard feelings (read: no referrals). Yes I only get paid 3/5 of what I got paid contracting, in a salaried position, but at least SOMEONE knows that I'm talking about and can recognize that I'm worth it.

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    13. Re:It was worth it by Sorthum · · Score: 1

      You don't get paid enough to invest in a UPS? Maybe you should go back to full time employment?

      *grinning, ducking, and running*

    14. Re:It was worth it by sglow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been contracting for about 10 years now and started using a payroll service a few years back. This is basically a company that handles all your taxes and sends you a paycheck (drawn from your own bank account) every couple weeks. It costs about $30/month, but is well worth it in my opinion. It really reduces the amount of time I spend on paperwork.

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    15. Re:It was worth it by jlseagull · · Score: 1

      Good on ya. I put all of my clients on net-15 business days for my invoices, and require a purchasing agent on the client side that I have unlimited access to within the equipment budget I specify and the client agrees to. Often, just emailing shopping carts gets the job done. I find I get more respect from the client when they're buying the servers and software I'm using.

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    16. Re:It was worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: your website link. You're an idiot. I've hacked the named server and am in the process of wiping its hard disk. Muwahahahaha!! Hang on, what's happ....
      NO CARRIER.

    17. Re:It was worth it by idesofmarch · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought you were working as a heavy equipment mechanic, because you were unable to find work as a programmer in your town, or at least so you said on September 26. Do you get over $1000 per day as a heavy equipment mechanic? If so, kudos to you!

    18. Re:It was worth it by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you were reading my comment history, that particular comment (10353234) was posted September 26, 2004. I decided that because I could not find normal employment in my field (and realizing grease really wasn't my thing) that I would open up my own shop.

      In the interim I've put two competitors out of business, and acquired most of the local government contracts.

      (Just for curiosity's sake, why do you feel the need to attack my comment in such a feeble manner... really, aren't there more productive ways to squander your time?)

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    19. Re:It was worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It costs $110 a month. When I go to a doctor, I pay a flat fee of $15.

      What company is that through? I've been uninsured for 2 years despite frequent shopping around. This sounds better than any deal I have seen. I am very interested. Please give details!

      Not having a job is only an excuse to not have health insurance. Anyone can get it, they just choose to "save money".

      Getting affordable insurance does not mean the insurer will pay for preexisting conditions, durable medical equipment, or care outside the ever-changing network of providers. There is value to having the same doctor from one year to the next. Of course there is also great value to being insured, as long as the insurer will actually pay.

      Unfortunately most of the value to having medical coverage (in the US) is simply the access you gain to the discounted medical pricing under the network. Viewed another way, doctors shouldn't be allowed to charge 100% to 1000% more just because you're paying cash; but they do.

      In this manner, medical insurance is more than just insurance. It is a racket. It is a price-fixing scheme which allows extremely large companies to manipulate the market in a cartel manner.

      A few years ago, there was a budding trend (and a good idea, IMO) of companies reselling existing PPO repricing services to the retail market but without the added layer of insurance. In other words, you could pay to be a member of a network of PPO's and gain access to the 20%-80% discounts under the network, with the understanding that you are liable for all discounted charges. These came to be called "medical discount programs" or "discount cards." The idea started to take off.

      What happened is that insurance companies struck back, sending out communiques to the actual care providers saying there are no "authorized" discount programs offered for retail customers under their PPO, and that they need not reprice any such customers even though the provider actually is a PPO member. So, discount card holders found themselves paying in advance for a service that doctors refused to honor. It's monopoly maintenance by a cartel, pure & simple.

    20. Re:It was worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been freelance and uninsured for 2 years, and have yet to find a good way of dealing with the problem. A high-deductible plan is the closest I've seen, but that still costs quite a bit if you're married, because they charge you the "family rate." I may try to take out two "individual" policies, one each for my wife and I, but I'm not sure the insurance cartel^H^H^H companies will allow that.

  4. Good link on the subject: by jdclucidly · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used this resource when I did what you are considering doing: "So You Want to Become a Consultant?"

  5. Contracting is fine... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But should be a stepping stone to having your own company that actually *makes* something. I was a consultant for about 1.5 years. Not great money because I was only doing part-time while designing my own product.

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  6. I went the other way by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hell, I gave up and went the other direction (contract to employee) during Clinton's first year in office. Paying Social Security at 1.5 (then) times the rate everybody else was, paying 2.5 times what everybody else was for medical insurance, getting audited anually by the IRS for a chintzy office-in-home deduction, expected to amortize computer equipment over FIVE YEARS, fer chrissake...

    Feh!! Good luck to you. You can have it!

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    1. Re:I went the other way by ankarbass · · Score: 2, Informative

      The office-in-home is a red flag from what I've heard. Of course, I'm not telling you to lie on your taxes, however, you probably wouldn't get audited for a similar deduction spread out over office supplies and mileage. ymmv.

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    2. Re:I went the other way by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Paying Social Security at 1.5 (then) times the rate everybody else was, paying 2.5 times what everybody else was for medical insurance
      Um, you realize that you're paying the exact same taxes you were paying before, right? It's just that before your employer would pay a portion of what the government wanted. Now you have to pay it all, because you are the employer. The plus side? You get to keep all the revenue -- minus, of course, the part that you set aside to re-invest into your business. But that's a whole 'nother story. If you can't even figure out your taxes, or hire an accountant to take care of them for you, and you don't know how to charge enough that you cover your costs, then maybe contracting really isn't for you.
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    3. Re:I went the other way by RichHolland · · Score: 4, Informative

      Typically contracting you'll make 50-100% more per year (if you keep busy) than you would as an FTE. That MORE than makes up for the extra self-employment tax hit and benefits. You don't have to amortize a computer over 5 years -- write it off the first year as a Section 179 deduction. The rule varies in how much you can deduct each year; it's been rising from $20K up to around $25K now, I believe. One or two years in there it was up to $100K to stimulate small business spending in the economy.

      Pay for a CPA to give you advice and do you're taxes. The $1-2K/year you'll spend will MORE than be recovered when they show you how to correctly deduct things, etc.

      I've always opted NOT to deduce my home office. It's only 150 sqft of a 3500 sqft house, so I can't deduct all that much, and it's not worth the flags in IRS or the hassle in figuring out how much you have to repay when you sell the house in a few years...

    4. Re:I went the other way by phizman · · Score: 1

      But companies can establish a bulk rate for insurance. As a lone employee of your own company you get screwed.

    5. Re:I went the other way by demana · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Um, you realize that you're paying the exact same taxes you were paying before, right?
      This is not true. For any corporation, medical insurance is a considered an ordinary and necessary business expense, and is deductible against income and payroll (FICA) taxes. For a self-employed person, however, medical insurance is only deductible against income tax, not self-employment tax (FICA). Thus, if a self-employed person and a corporation have exactly the same revenues and expenses, the self-employed person will bear a higher tax burden.
    6. Re:I went the other way by Slave2TheGrind · · Score: 0

      I don't know what the IRS requires for amortizing equipment, but there is a form of amortization called "double declining balance" which may work better for computer equipment that loses so much of its value in the first year.

      Here's how it works:
      Divide 100% by the number of years you are spreading the cost over (in your case, 5 years)
      so 100%/5=20%
      Take that value and double it: 20%*2=40%
      This is why they call it "double declining".

      This is the value by which you calculate the current period amortization amount. It is useful for rapidly depreciating equipment because it allows you to "front-load" the schedule while paying out over the same time period.

      Flat-line amortization (20% per annum):
      Purchase price: $1000
      1st year: $1000*20%=$200 cumulative=$200
      2nd year: $1000*20%=$200 cumulative=$400
      3nd year: $1000*20%=$200 cumulative=$600
      4nd year: $1000*20%=$200 cumulative=$800
      5nd year: $1000*20%=$200 cumulative=$1000

      Compared to double-declining:
      Purchase price: $1000
      1st year: $1000*40%=$400 cumulative=$400
      2nd year: ($1000-$400)*40%=$240 cumulative=$640
      3rd year: ($1000-$640)*40%=$144 cumulative=$784
      4th year: ($1000-$784)*40%=$86.40 cumulative=$870.40
      5th year: $1000-$870.40=$129.60 cumulative=$1000

      Hope this helps.

    7. Re:I went the other way by TykeClone · · Score: 2, Interesting
      For a self-employed person, however, medical insurance is only deductible against income tax, not self-employment tax (FICA).

      The way around that is to "hire" your significant other (assuming you have one handy), and offer them family coverage insurance as a benefit. Then it is a wage expense instead of a self employed insurance deal.

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    8. Re:I went the other way by Courageous · · Score: 1

      It makes you wonder why someone hasn't challenged this under the equal protection clause.

      C//

    9. Re:I went the other way by demana · · Score: 1

      It's back on the floor now, and will hopefully be fixed in the next year or two. Up until 2003, you couldn't even deduct 100% of health insurance against income tax. Of course Congress couldn't just fix it correctly the first time, so it has to wind its way through the process yet again. Fortunately, this falls into a "help the little man" situation for politicians, so fixing this looks good to the local constituents. That should provide enough momentum to make it happen.

    10. Re:I went the other way by Courageous · · Score: 1

      Well my basic complaint is that: 1) Corporations enjoy all the rights of people under modern jurisprudence, up to and including SCOTUS rulings, and 2) The Constitution itself has an equal protection clause. So it really strikes me as disjoint for Corporations to enjoy tax privileges that individuals do not.

      If I had infinite money, I'd be interested in making a case out of this, just to see what SCOTUS had to say about it. But superficially, this difference in treatment is contrary to the equal protection clause.

      C//

  7. It's a mixed bag by TrekCycling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been contracting for a couple years ago. I've discovered that contractors often get brought on board often to organizations that either are experiencing unmanagable growth or are stuck in the mud because of problems with business process. So it can be frustrating. But the money is better and it's nice to know that you can take a couple weeks off here and there (assuming you save your money, etc.).

    I think it's really a lifestyle thing. I like being permanently (although that word is a joke in this market) employed from the standpoint of working on the same project and getting some momentum for a while. But I don't have kids. Don't have a mortgage, so that's really the only advantage to me. That and if you like your co-workers a lot and want to stick with them. Those are reasons I'd rather be permanent.

    Not much help, I know. Like I said, it's a mixed bag. Permanence is about more than just stability in work. It's about stability in what you do, stability in who you work with. And depending on if the job is boring and if you like your co-workers this can either be a plus or a minus. I'm just glad I have the financial flexibility to make that choice and not worry (as much) about the financial end of it.

  8. Part time by kevin_conaway · · Score: 1

    Sorry to not really answer your question, but I have one of my own.

    I am a salaried developer right now but I'm interested in doing part time work as well. What resources do people suggest for this kind of endeavor?

    Thanks.

    1. Re:Part time by caffiend666 · · Score: 1

      First, have a long heart to heart talk with your trusted co-workers. See what they think, don't really say you are looking to do part time work, but ask about people who have. They'll lead you in the direction of whether your company supports it or does not (some of them might even have leads). Second, have a heart to heart talk with your boss, what do they think (they might even have leads)? Third, ask yourself, if you can't do your first job, can you really do a second one. Fourth, ask yourself, do I have any leads? It's all about networking. Also, try putting in that many more hours at work or on a personal project. If you can't realistically, regulary, put 10-15 hours a week into a personal project, how can you expect to put that many into a part time job? If you are just bored, get a part time job somewhere. The neighborhood Burgar Barn might seem boring, but they are always hiring, and you'll get enough stories to last a lifetime.

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    2. Re:Part time by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The first and formeost is networking. as in people networks.

      Go to user groups that have interests and talk to them.

      Find small companies that hire out consultants. Sometime they'll need people they can call for short term projects. 3-4 days type stuff.

      Convert your curent salary to dollars per hour(based on a 40 hour week), triple it.

      Start ups can be a resource of people who need quick help now. In this case, you may have to lower your wage a little.
      In most cities there are places people running starts go to, usually to discuss way to find money, or display there product/service to angel investors.

      Call you friends in other companies, see if you can get a lead. Thats how I got my first contract. they just needed someone to come in an fix a serial device interface. easy work, butbthere regular engineers where too busy. that turned into a very well paying long term contract on another projet. and THAT turned into being released when the bubble pooped.

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    3. Re:Part time by mrbcs · · Score: 1
      Remember boys and girls.. Networking is just one letter away from nOt working.

      (it's always been who you know and those contacts come in very handy when you start doing contract/self employed work)

      I've been self employed for about 6 years now. I've made more money at day jobs, but never had the freedom I have now. I'm currently doing some contract type work for an isp that looks very promising. I couldn't do this work if I had a full time day job.

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  9. Mom's Cooking was worth the decision by talipdx · · Score: 3, Funny

    I went from a cozy 3rd year job at an upstart, to managing my mom's spyware riddled m$ home network. Altho the hours are great with decent meal benefits a cozy corner office....... I for one, welcome avian flu. :[

  10. read the fine print by pbjones · · Score: 1

    contract positions also give the company the option the terminate your services more easily. You may or may not be paid for sick leave, public holidays, etc. You have to sit down and cost out the conditions that you have as a permanent staff member vs contract, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. be suspicious of any company offer to move to contract, they must be getting more out of it or they would not make the offer.

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  11. Different Take by TheBrutalTruth · · Score: 1
    Funny - I went the other way around. Contractor for 5 years. My wife was about to have a nervouse breakdown every time a contract came up. So I took less pay and freedom (to change jobs only - work is work!) for real benefits and stability.

    Unless I get laid off, as our company keeps outsourcing.

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    1. Re:Different Take by MrFrank · · Score: 1

      Not to worry, I they let you go you due to outsourcing, go and apply for the contract. Who better to fill the outsourcing contract. You have exerience as a contractor and you know the postion. Who better to fill it.

      That's it, your hired!

  12. Previous Ask /. discussion by KittyFishnets · · Score: 5, Informative
    There was a very good Ask Slashdot discussion on this topic, almost a year ago. It is worth reading:

    Switching to Contracting? KFN

  13. Recommend Reading by Doc+Squidly · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recommend getting a copy of The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World by Christopher Duncan.

    I read this after getting my first (and very bad) job as a programmer. It covers many aspects of working in I.T., including some of the differences between working as an employee or a contractor.

    Good Luck!

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    1. Re:Recommend Reading by stickyc · · Score: 1
      I recommend getting a copy of The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World by Christopher Duncan.

      Actually, I give this book a thumbs down - Duncan spends most of the book ranting about miserable work conditions and seems to evangelize adopting a "cover your ass" attitude rather than actually trying to fix anything. It's been my experience that the CYA attitude is pretty much a dead-end option and only prolongs/aggravates the situation. If you do read this book, follow it up with the ubiquitous "7 Habits for Highly Effective People" by Stephen Covey to unlearn the bad habits that Duncan teaches.

  14. Job security does not exist anymore by teutonic_leech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You actually might be better off - there are plenty of opportunities out there for talented contractors these days, especially senior people. The money is better, but you need to probably incorporate yourself to properly 'play the system' IYKWIM ;-) Bottomline is that you can probably make up to 30% more/year being a consultants, but bear in mind that you also need to buy your own health insurance, pay for your own 401k etc. So, don't be timid when negotiating your rate - if you have been making $100k/year in salary you probably should ask for at least $60/hr as a consultant, otherwise you're probably just break even or even wind up not making much more. BTW, that estimate consider approx. 3 months of no work per year. Good luck!

    1. Re:Job security does not exist anymore by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Informative

      The 2 states that have contract positions paying $60/hr consistently is NY and CA. The rest of the country rarely go above $50, and that goes for even the most hardcore tech positions. The contracting market is IMHO dead compared to couple years ago when it was actually worthwhile to take some chances.

      And 401k is absolutely overrated. You save by evading tax now. But if you didn't evade tax and withdraw the amount, tons of financial companies have better ways to make greater gains with your money.

    2. Re:Job security does not exist anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until I see the first US security cleared person (who can make 20% higher than a regular gov't employee) "transitioned" or "fired", then I'll believe "Job security does not exist anymore".

    3. Re:Job security does not exist anymore by TykeClone · · Score: 2, Interesting
      And 401k is absolutely overrated.

      The 401K is nice (as an employee) because it lets you save much more than what you normally could in an IRA or a Roth IRA each year.

      As a contractor (that's self employed), there are other retirement options that let you stick away as much or more than an IRA - see your tax guy!

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    4. Re:Job security does not exist anymore by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Depends what you are doing. $60 may be the top side for programming, but database administration and datawarehousing usually pay a lot more than that. On the other hand, I've been offered Oracle DBA contracts where the highest they would go is $30 an hour corp-to-corp. Yeah right. Good luck enticing someone away from a full time job with benefits that pays $75k a year for a no benefits contract that might pay $60k a year if it lasts that long.
      Many of these lowball contract rates are offered to me by people with Indian sounding names whose companies are probably billing out at $120 an hour and then want to pay someone $30 an hour to actually do the work.
      Make your own contacts. Don't work with the ripoff contract houses unless they are willing to pay you at least 85% of the actual billed rate corp-to-corp, or at least 65% W2. Paul

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  15. Cost loading by Bork · · Score: 1

    There is a cost of not working for a company.
    $300~$700 a month in paying your own health insurance.
    Paying unemployment insurance
    No matching 401k

    Of course if you did not have them before, will not miss them now.

  16. Contract in a country that has free health care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like Canada. Otherwise be prepared to pay $10,000/year or more for health insurance.

  17. Moving from a Permanent Position to Contract Work? by Phlatline_ATL · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I made this move a little over 3 years ago. I was in a desperate situation in that my employer at the time was axing people left and right, good people too. I ended up getting dumped an entire bag of junk and work that I couldn't perform. My coworker, who was in an architect manager role had had enough and made the jump about 3 weeks prior. I ended up hooking up with the same contracting firm he went to and got myself under a W-2 employment agreement with them. He on the otherhand already had a 1099 corp established and was able to get the appropriate agreements in place for it. I personally didn't want to go through the motions of establishing personal health care, the 1099 corp, etc. It just wasn't something I could stomach at the time.

    The jump was scary as all hell. I hopped on a new contract about 48 hours after leaving my former employer and started getting setup. Unfortunately, the position was not exactly as my account rep had conveyed with me. Nor was it as clear cut as the contractee's interview/position description stated. Needless to say, the first few weeks were a bit bumpy. I was able to establish a fairly good rapport with the client and things have been more or less peachy since. There is the temptation in some cases that, as contract, you will get paid overtime. I have to warn you. This is a blessing and a curse. When you do this stuff and go the extra mile, it sometimes becomes expected of you. While the extra money is nice, the long hours tend to really eat in to you.

    In early June, after a couple of internal management organization shifts, I was under the impression that my contract was stable through the end of the year. Well 1 week into June, I was informed that I would no longer be needed in my current role after 30 June. Needless to say I felt that I had just been screwed over, my contract firm was outraged, and I was really starting to freak out as my, then, girlfriend (now wife) had just moved in. Money coming in was VERY important. Luckily, my contract firm has feelers in all over this particular company, they were able to secure me a position quickly in C++ land, which I wasn't overly proficient at as having programmed in Java for the last 4 years, but it was work. The way the agreement was inked, I would be paid as a salaried employee up to 40 hours, get 2 weeks vacation time, 5 sick days, etc. Overtime was a bit of a sticker. I have to work something like 6% overtime or some such garbage before I get paid for it. Since my earlier experience put a real pinch on me, overtime was going to be minimal at most if I could help it.

    Long and short of this is that you should really research your options and your current situation. If you can stick it out and look for a perm position, go for it. If you are willing to "eat shit" for a while, you may come up smelling like a rose. My experience may or may not be the same that many people have. If you are confident in your skills and are able to adapt quickly to fluid situations, then you may want to try your hand at it. Make sure though that you have enough banked up to cover shortages in hours (i.e. around christmas time where code freezes may be rampant and actual work may be scarce).

    Hope my long winded telling of my last three years has not been over the top or wandering too much.

  18. Money money money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I made a heckuva lot more money contracting but I worked my ass off. Sixteen hour days for three months at a time, no sleep, blood pressure issues. Did it pay off? Sure, but I can't do it anymore because of health reasons. If you're young (and it's not an age thing, but a health thing) I'd say go for it. The money I made contracting paid for my house, a couple sports cars, little things that make life a lot more fun if not a lot more meaningful. It beat the crap out of me, but was a million times better than my former job at a software company.

  19. If you are confident, Do it. by Aussie · · Score: 1

    As long as you are confident in your skills and there is a market for them, you will usually do OK.
    I made the change about 10 years ago. There have been a couple of lean years, but generally I have been
    happy with the flexability and very happy with the money.

    Also you, to some extent anyway, can choose your work.

  20. Contracting sucks by Loconut1389 · · Score: 3, Informative

    For me, I have very few clients, one of which makes up the bulk of my income. I was sort of forced into contracting when that primary client couldn't afford to hire me full time with benefits.

    The working from home is very nice, and yet due to my 11.5 month old, I am far less productive. There's something nice to having a real office to go (away) to.

    As a contractor, make damn sure you have enough potential clients that can support your needs- for me, if my main client dumps me, I'm toast and there is no clause in the deal that they have to give me x-weeks notice since I'm not an employee.

    Anyway, contracting has its plusses- and if you've got a good client base, it can definately be better than working in a cubicle. But you're also off on your own and you assume all of the risk.

    So if you decide to wing it, work really hard to get and keep clients.

  21. Worth it, but hard by TheViciousOverWind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, it was definately worth it for me. - But it's not always more flexible. Sometimes a customer has a deadline, and if you promised it done to that date and are late, then you're gonna have to pull some hard work-hours the last week or so to reach it.

    Sure, there's some flexibility in the fact that you don't have to ask a boss for anything, but as soon as you get enough customers, you're pretty soon going to have the same workhours as you would in a normal job, because that's when people expect to be able to get hold of you over the phone, also it's a lot more difficult to fit in a vacation if you have lots of work piled up.

    And lastly, watch out, it's very easy to become a work-o-holic.

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    1. Re:Worth it, but hard by TheVidiot · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. For me, I became overworked and overwhelmed due to the inconsistent flow of requests from my clients. It became necessary to hire subcontractors to save myself from insanity. Hopefully a vacation is now possible.

      I now face the choice between staying a one-man operation or becoming an employer myself.

      Anyone have thoughts or tips on that process?

    2. Re:Worth it, but hard by shakah · · Score: 1
      And lastly, watch out, it's very easy to become a work-o-holic.
      In my case I find it hard to take vacation, since I slip all-too-readily into the "any work (read billable hours) I forgo during my vacation are lost forever, and things don't look too great on the mid-term horizon, and..." mindset.
  22. Made the switch eleven years ago. by mrsam · · Score: 1

    ... and I've been an incorporated independent consultant ever since.

    I consider that to be the best decision I've ever made in my life.

    No more twelve hour days at the office.

    No more wearing a leash on your neck, every weekend, dialed in remotely, and having to provide coverage and support for the preciousssssssssssssss weekend produciton job runs.

    And making twice as much money (even after factoring in the overhead of being self-employed), then the salaried schmucks who sit next to me.

    And I still have a decent medical plan (and if I don't like my medical insurance carrier, I can fire them and get a new one).

    And I still have a retirement plan, to which I contribute pre-tax dollars every year.

    There's been an endless stream of recruiters, over the last ten years, constantly calling me and desperately try to raise my interest in some salaried position they're trying to fill.

    I'm still looking for a single, valid reason why I should.

    And to the scumbag bastard of a manager, who opened my eyes eleven years ago as to which side of the bread _really_ gets buttered (by shipping a dozen consultants and employees 7,000 files to do a customer site install, paying all the consultants' expenses and car rentals, while making all the employees suffer through some infernal car pooling arrangement), I have only two words to say:

    THANK YOU!

    1. Re:Made the switch eleven years ago. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I bet 11 years ago one of those words was different...

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  23. i'm half and half by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    i have a part time salaried job and also some contract work. the contract stuff is top notch pay and sexy tech, but, it comes and goes. nothing for months, then boom, a windfall

    i keep the part time gig because it is close by to where i live and it's a nice low stress place... my hours are also flexible with them as well. i'm not making yearly bonuses like i did back in the dot com boom era, but then again, i'm not having a heart attack every day either. granted, it helps that it is a small company where they have that flexibility for me to work part time and at odd hours. when i was talking about leaving, they really wanted me to stay, so they were open to such a compromise (it helps i wrote the codebase for all of their operations)

    so if you are in such a position (large impersonal corporations i don't think really care enough to keep you part time unfortunately, but small companies might) then i would think about the part time compromise/ insurance policy against being kicked out of your home and having nothing to eat

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  24. Difficult Decision by malus · · Score: 1

    I quit my 'career' IBM job back in May to take a contract job. I'd been shoved from Sprint -> IBM 6 months prior, and while it took 6 years to become disillusioned with Sprint, it took only 6 months for IBM to rip my soul completely out.

    Anyhow. The contract job is, for me, a better job by far. My work ethic is solid, my attention to detail and creativity, equally solid. I was working 60 hours a week for Sprint/IBM, and I work between 60-65 hours a week now, but the results are sooo totally different. I can actually *see* the product materializing before me. My customer is more than thrilled with the results so far.

    In summary, my current experience with contract work has been nothing but excellent. I can't imagine going back to a day-to-day grind-job, a "career" job.

  25. Simple 1 + 2 = 3 by drwylde · · Score: 1

    Steps:

    1. Put $20,000 in the bank - keep it there.

    2. P*s* off your boss - you've had enough.

    3. Be patient - always productive - Yes!

    4. Treat your clients like you'd like
            to be treated - always give value.

    Twenty-five years, /bill

    1. Re:Simple 1 + 2 = 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5. Pr0fit

  26. Lots of benefits, some headaches, but worth it by rmckiern · · Score: 2, Informative

    The pay is usally fairly good as compared to employee (even considering their benefits.) If you do not live in metro area though you may find yourself flying into a job on Monday and returning home on Friday. If you like that life then go for it. I did it while I was young and loved the travel. Now that I have a child, I don't want any part of it. Additional benefit, as an consultant I have worked for many different companies, IBM, Cap One, Citibank etc etc. I've learned a lot of business domains. As an employee somewhere you may not get that. This business knowledge has helped me start my own consultant business locally with a vast array of clients. Headaches: paperwork! Ensuring you have a good accountant who understands the business of a consultant so you get max return. May be hard to find. Sometimes you may be aware more so than you should that you are just a consultant, not an employee. It hasn't happen too me but others have personally told me they were treated unfailry because they were not an employee. I've been doing it 12 years now, no regrets! Oh yeah, big plus, no more freaking annoying 360 evaluations. If that does not mean anything, those annoying evaluations where you judge your fellow co-workers. Ahhhhhhh!

  27. Financial side of contracting by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative
    My own experience is that some of the financial issues for contractors are a big change versus being an employee.

    1. Delays in getting paid: Timely payments are a big issue for contractors. Whereas an employee gets paid like clockwork, some contractor situations involve invoices, approvals, and getting the check from the accounting department. It may take 30 to 60 days between doing the work and getting the check. A good cushion in a savings account helps buffer irregular payments for the self-employed.

    2. Estimated tax payments: The IRS wants its cut and with no automatic deductions, its up the the contractor to figure out and make timely payments. If you get to the end of the year without making these payments, you may be surprised at: a) how much you own on the accumulated earnings, b) that you own even more due to penalties (a 50k contracting gig can easily create $10,000 in tax liabilities -- which could be a nasty surprise come April 15th).

    3. Expenses: Start collecting receipts for all the office junk that you must now buy and own yourself. You might consider devoting a room in your house as a home office (and taking the home office deduction) but there are reasons not to (we don't) and the full list of pro/cons is beyond the scope of what I can confidently discuss.

    4. Benefits: Contractors need to get their own health insurance. The downside can be the cost. On the plus side, you can get the health plan you want in terms of deductable, types of coverage, etc. For people with good financial self-discipline, a high-deductable plan and an HSA are great -- the health insurance premiums are lower and they permit much greater tax-free deductions of healthcare expenses.

    5. Retirement plan: Again, the contractor is on his own. The good news is some self-employed, small-business retirement plans are pretty nice. A QRP/KEOGH lets you sock away up to 20% of net revenues before taxes (much better than the limits on IRAs).

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    1. Re:Financial side of contracting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Along with health care benefits get a long term disability policy. It is cheap. It has saved my life. I live confortably now with a long term disabiling illness.

    2. Re:Financial side of contracting by fingusernames · · Score: 2, Informative

      Regarding taxes, buy Quickbooks or some such, it's easy to track it all then. My S corp pays me a W-2 salary, and I withhold taxes. Every month, I pay the IRS via the EFTPS web site -- online tax payments. Make sure your company banks enough to pay the taxes -- watch your balance sheet. I take distributions as well (dividend payments) and must make quarterly estimated tax payments on those. Thanks to Bush though the tax rate on those is great.

      Retirement: There's the SEP-IRA. Very easy to set up. I use Vanguard. My company pays 10% of my salary into the fund, and I can do my own $3000 yearly IRA contribution as well. The limit on a SEP-IRA is 25% of salary. Note that if you have employees, as I do, the SEP-IRA contribution level must be the same for all. You can't pay yourself 25% and your employee(s) 5%.

      Also, you should always incorporate. It makes sense legally, you can pay dividends and avoid payroll taxes (so long as you draw a "reasonable" salary), and it is generally easy to do on your own. Here in Illinois it takes a one page form plus filing fee. The annual filing fee is $100 then.

      Larry

    3. Re:Financial side of contracting by BridgeBum · · Score: 1
      Also, you should always incorporate.

      By this, do you mean strictly S-Corps, or do you include LLCs? What research I've done makes LLCs very attractive to me. (Full time employee, toying with treading out into the world of consulting from time to time.)

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    4. Re:Financial side of contracting by fingusernames · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd always do an S-corp, because to me the additional "burden" is no big deal, and because it is cheaper. The LLC is basically a sole proprietorship/partnership with a liability shield, and my understanding is that it is structured in the same way as regards profits. There are no shares and no dividends, and apparently you may not be able to escape payroll taxes on any profit. For me that is a big advantage of a standard corporation, whether or not it takes the S election: I can pay a salary, plus dividends/profit, which are not subject to payroll taxes. I also believe that an LLC is more expensive to form initially in many states, and to operate. Here in Illinois it costs $150 to incorporate, and $75 + franchise tax annually. For most small businesses, the franchise tax is just $25. An LLC though costs $300 to form, and $250 a year for the annual report.

      Larry

    5. Re:Financial side of contracting by Cally · · Score: 1

      Woah, you're complaining about 20% tax?!?! on 50 grand??!! No wonder your education and healthcare systems are famous throughout the world...

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      "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
    6. Re:Financial side of contracting by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I wen through all of this stuff when I was an independent contractor. Now I am working full time again, but I still run my consulting company. My wife officially owns the company, mostly to avoid any anticompete issues that might come up, although my full time job is in a different industry.
      Now, I basically provide payroll and other insurance services to people who want to be independent, but don't want the hassle of incorporating or dealing with the paperwork, insurance, and so forth. I do a little work in finding contracts, but mostly I let the people who work for me find their own gigs, and I do the administrative stuff of setting up the contract with the proposed client, handling their insurance requirements, and so forth. Some clients require professional liability insurance, which is expensive as heck, and can be hard if not impossible to get with no track record.
      Because my employees do all the technical work, and even mostly find their own contracts, I take a very small percentage. I have worked through subcontractors that took 20% on a corp-to-corp basis, where they were assuming no risk, withholding no taxes, and paying no insurance. I've seen other companies that took a 50% cut. Insane.
      My company has an SEP. We don't have health right now because all of our contractors have retired with pensions that include health coverage. But we could get health.
      For anyone looking to get into contracting, but not wanting to have to go through the hassle, I would recommend you look for a company that offers services like this. Some staffing or HR companies might offer similar services if you ask.

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      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
  28. Both a techie and a salesguy be. by crism · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had a nearly-ideal opportunity; my employer was closing, and our sole customer needed a development department. I knew their offer was a panic reaction, and wouldn't last, so I offered to consult (non-exclusively) for a few months. That allowed me to launch my independent consulting career, which lasted a little over four years.

    My problem, however, is that I'm not good at sales: cold-calling, lead-tracking, pavement-pounding. Once in contact, I could generally make a sale, and deliver solid work for good prices, but it was only enough work to break even after rent and taxes. When things temporarily slowed down, I didn't have much cushion.

    I'm very glad I did it, but I wouldn't do it again without a bigger operating buffer or a sales partner. You really need to combine technical and sales skills to succeed.

    1. Re:Both a techie and a salesguy be. by emurphy42 · · Score: 1

      Seconded.

      I work for a small consulting company, which for me provides a nice combination of stability and cheap benefits (I have a wife and three kids) and variety of work (a few clients with semi-steady work, manymany clients with support issues once in a blue moon). I am not a salesguy, and never want to be; once the foot's in the door, though, I am decent about showing my integrity and getting work done.

      The salary's a bit tight, especially as the kids get older, but hopefully that'll improve. We recently hired a new guy, and are hoping to expand somewhat over the next few years. Even if we don't, the existing client base needs upgrades every so often.

  29. the good, the bad and the ugly by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Having done both at various times over 24 years, here's the poop for USA:

    1. you'll have to make more than 50% as self-employed as you do salary to keep about the same benefits and have same income after taxes counting time between gigs making $0.

    2. mediocre health insurance not including dental or eye for whole family: $430/month near chicago area, other posters might also give some rates.

    3. Bookkeeping will be a pain: educate yourself on estimating and making quarterly tax payments or just opting to pay penalty, keep record and receipts, know tax laws for business expensing, entertainment expense, and use of vehicle, which is complicated. Tax software for the self-employed helps a great deal, highly reccomended.

    4. Don't quit your day job and then start a business or look for contract work. Start your business while you work, or get a contract with appropriate start date and then quit job with proper two weeks notice, don't burn bridges. If you help your current employer to make a smooth transition you can usually use them as a good reference later. So no mooning/flipping the bird/taking dump in desk drawer of the CTO or your boss on the way out

    5. Having a search engine friendly resume on internet has lead to most of my 6 -8 month contract jobs in last five years, not bulletin boards or job sites or snail mail or newspaper ads.

    6. You can't restrict yourself to projects that are cool or exciting, some might involve some boring/legacy/archane junk that you've done before and the client needs someone with that hard-to-find skill. Happened to me twice in last 3 years.

    5. You're in sales/marketing now, baby! of yourself - you need to network with people to see what opportunities are there, let people you you're willing to tackle projects, aggresively pursue follow-on projects and look for other work at clients.

    1. Re:the good, the bad and the ugly by 2Bits · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did it for one year, almost ten years ago. It sucked, especially for #6 above. As a contractor, you are considered a code monkey, you are not involved in any part of the project except coding, fixing other people's bugs, and testing. Well, it makes sense, which company is stupid enough to let contractors do the core?

      I was contracting at BNR (Bell Northern Research, in Ottawa) once, for 6 months. My main work was to fix bugs and maintain two 2-year-old modules of the Magellan ATM switch. The Magellan switch (at the time) had a nasty problem in the back plane design that it could not handle two-way connections, you had to use 2 one-way connections to simulate a two-way connection to make a call. To make a call, you have to go thru a grid of back planes, and you had to take care of state management in HW redundance, etc, which greatly complicated things. The employee who implemented the 2 modules for billing didn't understand it or didn't have experience, it was a classical example of spagheti code. There were at least 3 emergency calls from customers every week. I could've lived on that contract for at least 2 years, if I just fixed an urgent bug a week (which reduced the response time to 1/3 already), and the manager would be really happy.

      But I was so efficient in fixing bugs that the group manager kept loaning me to other groups to fix bugs, and made quite a bunch of money on me (each group had internal budget). At the end, with the manager's approval, I just rewrote the 2 modules.

      The work was no fun, and you are considered outsider all the time. The group manager was nice enough to invite me for group activities (which was an exception), but you are not allowed to participate in core works. You know full well that you could do a better job, but you have to implement some really lousy design.

      And there's no chance for you to get promotion, regardless of your work.

      So, if you don't mind the ugly codes, the no-fun work, being considered an outsider, no way to feel being part of a team, no chance for promotion, and if you are disciplined enoguh, etc, then go ahead.

      Being part of a team is the fun part, regardless of office politics. You won't have that feeling as a contractor.

    2. Re:the good, the bad and the ugly by fingusernames · · Score: 1

      2. mediocre health insurance not including dental or eye for whole family: $430/month near chicago area, other posters might also give some rates.

      We live in Chicago. About $350/mo for BCBS HSA insurance. High deductible.

      3. Bookkeeping will be a pain: educate yourself on estimating and making quarterly tax payments or just opting to pay penalty, keep record and receipts, know tax laws for business expensing, entertainment expense, and use of vehicle, which is complicated. Tax software for the self-employed helps a great deal, highly reccomended.

      All you need is Quickbooks or similar, and the aptitude to read the IRS instructions and relevant publications and bulletins. It takes some time initially, but it's not bad. Making the tax payments is trivial, if you use payroll software to track tax liability. It can all be done online now through ACH transactions from your corp account. Just make sure you watch your balance sheet to see future liabilities, and keep cash in the bank to pay for those. I sometimes need to loan money to my business short-term to cover obligations, while waiting for clients to pay.

      That's the second biggest pain -- slow paying clients. The first is finding the clients, slow paying or not.

      Larry

    3. Re:the good, the bad and the ugly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So no ... taking dump in desk drawer of the CTO or your boss on the way out

      Too late :(

    4. Re:the good, the bad and the ugly by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 1

      It depends a lot on what company you're working at. The company I'm at has lots and lots of contractors, doing extremely core things. My immediate group is about 50% contractors, and my manager (before he stepped down because he hated it) was a contractor who'd been there 7 years. In terms of group events, we're usually considered just like employees, except for a very few corp-wide events.

    5. Re:the good, the bad and the ugly by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      My uncle did this when he left his job, in his boss' suit which was in locker. He was in the army in Viet Nam, the parade dress belonged to a general.

  30. ContractingVs. Regular by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO, everything really depends on if you have a good, ethical company for full time work. If not, contracting might be a better deal.

    As for me, I contracted for many years and we used my wife's health insurance and 401K. But then came kiddos and we decided my wife would stay home to raise the kids... I mean, why have them if you don't want to raise them?? Anyway, I contracted for a couple of years after that but out of pocket health care costs got completely out of hand, so I went regular.

    Highest year doing contracting (in the 1990's: around 225,000) My salary now as a regular employee is just shy of 130,000. But with the perks of regular employment (matching 401K , help with health insurance, etc), it's a much better deal, and my wife is no longer going grey. Plus, I absolutely love my boss. He's one fine dude (most especially for a stressed out business owner) and we are good friends.

    Best of luck to you whatever you decide.

  31. When I left... by nailchipper · · Score: 2, Informative

    I left my own company because my friend and I were going to team up and work freelance. When I told my bosses that I was going to leave (as expected) they first tried to convince me to stay but after they saw that I was not going to stay they said "Well, I guess that is all" and I said "Well, not really" and explained that I can still be contracted to do some of the projects that I worked in. Then, they were really excited and we both saw that it could be a good deal. They didn't have to pay for health insurance and for a flat rate have me work on smaller contracts. I still get emails from them about issues they have with environment I set up for them. And I help them for free for small issues.

    I sent them a proposal and quote for how much it would cost to finish a major project they wanted me to work on. I quoted them at half the rate that it would cost for someone internally to do. It was a lot of money for me since at half their rate I would get enough to live on comfortably for a few months and still give me time to work on other projects.

    They were slow to respond and never got me feedback on the proposal and eventually got an email telling me that they would like to continue the development internally. It was a bad economic blow for me and was living on the small projects that I expected to have fillers around that big project. I was making a fraction of the salary that I made at that company for many months, but I stuck with it. I ate less went out less. I cut down my bank statements from having hundreds of a transactions per month to a few dozen. The decision to leave was made in the beginning of this summer and used up a lot from savings to sustain, but I learned that a lot of the seeds that I planted a few months ago are just now becoming fruitful. I am in the process of signing 3 major contracts with people who I talked to months ago and I expect to be able to live on this easily for at least a year.

    If I were to do it all over again, I would. It was the best decision I ever made. Freedom is great. I work more than I ever did at my old company. I am doing more advanced things and I am learning more. Because I don't have to be at the "office" I work whenever I want. I read more about other topics I am interested in.

    BUT! discipline is everything. I make sure that I worked a minimum of 8 hours a day. I tried to do 10 though. If I wake up late, I work late. My housemates always comment about how disciplined I am and how I am always working, and it's true. Every moment you have, work. You also have to set boundaries. I never work on Saturday and Sunday. I turn of my cell phone and computer and don't touch my computer. I have another friend who does this and I suspect he's going to burn out pretty soon (i.e going to grad school).

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  32. Tell ya what by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    When he leaves that $100k/year job, have his former employer give me a call, k?

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    rediculous.
  33. Unless you have made a name for yourself... by betelgeuse68 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Prepare to be disappointed. Most contractors are implementors. That's one way. Another more albeit more negative way of looking at them is "sh*t shovelers", aka grunts. Most contractors are brought in when high level decisions and designs have been made. The contracting business is nowhere as robust as it was 10 years ago. With IT budgets slashed and the birth of offshoring, unless you're damn good and have made a name for yourself, I would not recommend it for the faint of heart.

    -M

    1. Re:Unless you have made a name for yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truer words never have been spoken.

      Contractor = "This is how we are going to solve problem set X. However, we do not have people to do that. Therefore, we will hire contractors. They will have a shopping list of things to do, and basically zero creativity in the way X is solved. They must learn and follow all existing processes, even if they don't work and 20% of our $15,000 boxes are DOA. Our primary customer got so pissed at us that they spent $15 million of their own money to build a division that makes the same box we do just so they didn't have to deal with us anymore."

      This 26-year-old contractor's yearly pay = $55,000 plus middling benefits

      Consultant = "Aiee! Our product line hasn't been updated in five years and we spend so much time fixing existing problems we have no time to update it! Additionally, we can't produce a design quickly enough because our management and process is so entrenched that people refuse to do things any other way than they've always been done! Help! Hire a consultant, because they can give us a new product in eight weeks that we couldn't do in six months!"

      This 26-year-old S-corp consultant's pay (self-employed, with three successful product designs) = $120,000.

  34. My biggest advice: have clients by arete · · Score: 1

    My biggest advice is don't move into the contracting world until you have clients. Try to get some relationships doing afterhours work, and or try to land at least one big ongoing contracting gig without enough lead time to quit your job when you get it.

    When you can't possibly keep up with the work is when you should quit your day job, and you probably won't have either enough work or money at that point.

    Expect that you'll spend a lot of time self-marketing and that it may take a long time to substantially add to your number of clients.

    The taxes are a bit worse on paper - because you're paying stuff that previously your employer never showed you. But also bear in mind that you need to pay attention to estimated taxes; it is a lot easier to feel afloat before that.

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  35. Minimal office politics is one advantage by Strudelkugel · · Score: 1

    One thing you will discover when contracting, as compared to being an employee is that the political environment changes in a beneficial way. When you are an employee, frequently your boss will dangle or suggest that working a lot of OT will be reflected in your next review. Maybe, maybe the story changes by the time of the review. When you are contracting, your rate is negotiated up front - no ambiguous incentives.

    I found this greatly improves the dialog between you the contractor and the people who hired you. They become much more objective, since promising benefits in the future for extras today is not part of the equation. If you are doing good work, you will stay and will be able to get an increased rate. If you are not, they will just end your contract. The employer doesn't have to worry about having an unhappy employee around, so in both cases they tend to be more honest about everything.

    The other benefit I found is that some supervisors are always trying to figure out how to stay on top. If you are an employee and do a good job, someone above your boss may think someday *you* should be in that spot. If your boss is of the underhanded variety, he or she will begin to disparage you just to make sure the org chart has the same taxonomy, to be polite... Once again, if you are a contractor, you are not as likely to be interested in taking he supervisor job, so the person in that position will be more honest with you as well.

    As for the "lack of job security" attribute, compare to being an employee. I don't know anyone in this business who has job security. I work as an employee now, but I always keep in touch with the people in the contracting world. Ultimately your success depends on your ability, technical and personal. Contractors generally has to have more social skills than an employee, because they have to sell their capabilities more frequently. I would summarize the situation like this: If you find a good employer with interesting work, stay there. If you don't want to be a FT employee (maybe you want to take off two months every year or something), or your current job isn't that great, be a contractor but make sure you are taking jobs that add relevant experience

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  36. Health insurance by spineboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    One thing to consider - you might make a higher wage, because the company doesn't have to pay for your health insurance. Make sure you have health insurance for your family!!, and you. This can be quite expensive, and maybe worth sticking to the company, as opposed to being an independent contractor. You might want to look at the cost and see if you really are making more as an independent vs being a company man.
    If your life goes perfectly and you don't have any problems then great - you gambled and you got lucky. But what if you get into a car accident/ get appendicitis, or something worse? - Do you really want to pay out of pocket for medical expenses? What about eyeglasses or dental?
    People get into accidents through no fault of their own. It's nice to be an adult and PLAN ahead for the unexpected, instead of just gambling on everything being perfect.

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    1. Re:Health insurance by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Or even better, you could become a contractor in Canada, where medical is covered by your taxes. Eyeglasses and dental are extra, but insurance can be had for pretty cheap. And despite what you might hear about waiting times, the system isn't half as bad as it sounds. Waiting times are mostly only a problem on non-critical procedures such as knee and hip replacements. Sure, it's an inconvenience, but you aren't likely to die if your knee doesn't get replaced quick enough.

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    2. Re:Health insurance by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      Waiting times are mostly only a problem on non-critical procedures such as knee and hip replacements. Sure, it's an inconvenience, but you aren't likely to die if your knee doesn't get replaced quick enough.

      Not to quibble too much, but if your knee or hip needs replacing (and from what I understand, those surgeries really suck), you'll lose quite a bit of quality of life until it gets done.

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    3. Re:Health insurance by really? · · Score: 1

      Err ... have _YOU_ had to get something done? Anywhere in the Lower Mainland? If you had, and didn't have some friend who is an MD, I _ASSURE_ you, you wouldn't be saying that.
      Do people have to wait _all_ the time? Perhaps not. I know from personal experience that it happens MUCH more than many people believe.
      All in all, not a bad system, but FAR from perfect.

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      "Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead." A. Huxley
    4. Re:Health insurance by TrekCycling · · Score: 1

      Good advice. Although I hope that wasn't pointed at me, because if so it was way off base. Contractor insurance usually sucks and it ends and changes often, so in my case my wife carries the insurance. That's the nature of the tech industry these days, I'm afraid.

    5. Re:Health insurance by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      I have a friend in Vancouver with a back problem.

      Goes to doctor: Doctor says, you need an MRI
      Waits 5 months to be able to get an MRI
      MRI results go to doctor: Doctor says, you need a specialist
      Waits 4 months to see a specialist
      Specialist says: you need an updated MRI
      He's currently a week into an expected 6 month wait for another MRI

      Our health care system is a joke. Sure glad I get raped in taxes to pay for it.

    6. Re:Health insurance by really? · · Score: 1

      Same thing for my step mother. Well, would have been the same except for: 1. she was in so much pain they were giving her morphine every hour, 2. when I got here and saw the situation,I called a Doctor friend, who called a Doctor friend, who ... Even so she spent four days in emergency taking percosets every four hours as well as the morphine. Why? "Waiting for a free bed."

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      "Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead." A. Huxley
    7. Re:Health insurance by topham · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile I have a friend who went to see the doctor 2 months ago; and was diagnosed with various things, had a cat scan performed, hard 2 surgeries and is waiting on the results of the last one.

      I'm not even sure it's been two months.

      (but don't ask me how long my girlfriend had to wait to get x-ray of her arm when she 'broke' it. (wasn't actually that bad, but 8+hrs to shcedule x-rays seems really stupid...)

    8. Re:Health insurance by jnf · · Score: 1

      Funny enough I just want to a hospital emergency room in capitlist america, covered in blood and in a wheelchair half conscious.

      My wait? only about 10 hours.

    9. Re:Health insurance by moorley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I keep seeing that comment again and again. Health Insurance, oh my god. It is a concern that as a wage earner you don't consider but more and more the employers are putting the weight of the insurance on you. If you haven't looked at this before you should. At some places I've worked the insurance was a joke. High deductible, high premiums (do you look at what they are taking out of your paychecks?) and they DRAG their feet on paying any claim. One agency I worked was actually using health insurance as an income generator. Their work force was low, the fear and want of health insurance was high, so they charged a high premium but kept denying claims.

      I gave up many years ago and pay $100 a month myself for BlueCross/BlueShield HMO/PPO. I get a copay, they have agreements with other providers that lower my cost. I'm actually thinking about switching to just a catastrophic policy since I have a $1000 deductible anyway.

      The costs are rising, whether you are a wage earner or becoming a contractor you REALLY NEED to look into this and make smart decisions. If you are not looking at it chances are you getting fleeced BIG TIME because their is so much cost pressure on health care right now. Do note I am a Bachelor so my burden is less. Everyone needs to decide for themselves but you really need to look into this whether you are independent or a wage earner. You might find your money is best spent elsewhere than on the group plan.

      If you don't manage the cost yourself then insurance will charge you big money to do so. And even a catastrophic will allow you entry to other insurances later, rather than being "uninsured" taboo. Insurance system as we know is under pressure so the old thinking can be dangerous.

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  37. Full Time Employee vs. Non-Payroll Worker by BigLinuxGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think that people fresh out of school should seek out salaried positions for the first 1-5 years to build experience (learning the real consequences of a missed deadline is the single best lesson during this timeframe). After that, I think they should think seriously about going into the contract market. The "risk" associated with being a contractor (depending on your location) is no more than that of an employee. It's just a matter of different illusions/perceptions. The best job security, in my (not so) humble opinion, is always the ability to secure the next job . Unfortunately, most people tend to be too timid to realize that in most cases a company will take care of the bottom line, not the employees, first.

    But your mileage may vary.....

  38. It's a good way to get experience by Gary+Destruction · · Score: 1

    If you work for contracting firms, you can do work that deals with various situations and diverse industries. In some ways, contracting can be safer than some corporate jobs. With all the outsourcing that goes on, it might be safer to be on the outsourcing side of things. But then again, not all companies do outsourcing or the outsourcing they do varies.
    On the flip side of things, you can encounter slow times. It really depends if you're getting long term contracts or short terms contracts.

  39. Random thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The pay is not better. Downtime between projects can kill your bottom line.

    You're also giving up any employer matching 401k. You can incorporate, and have your business match your contributions, but it isn't the same "free money" deal.

    Additionally, there is self employment taxes, accountant fees, business expenses, home office, increased utilities and -- nastiest of all -- health insurance.

    Fortunately, each of those is a potential tax deduction. Get an accountant. Yes, you could do it yourself, but it really isn't worth the time.

    "Time" is key. You are a business owner now. More than anything else, you're selling your time. You will start to view it differently. You have a limited amount of time each day for work.

    Anything that takes you away from work has a real price tag. Caught the flu? You just lost X dollars. Feel like taking the kids to the park for the afternoon? You can, but it'll cost you $Y.

    I've been contracting for 3 years now. I love it. Wouldn't have it any other way. But there's a lot to think about before you make the switch.

    1. Re:Random thoughts... by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      but it isn't the same "free money" deal.

      Any money that escapes the grasp of the IRS is free money :)

      Still - don't let that drive your business decisions. Don't buy a new car every 3 years because you avoid taxes if your old one is good enough. More people get into trouble by attempting to spend money to minimize taxes than those who end up having to send a check to the IRS.

      On the same token, and assuming Social Security will continue to be viable in the next 30 to 60 years (big leap o' faith there!), minimizing your income for self employement taxes might hurt you later on when your social security benefits are calculated.

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  40. Be a contracter - but don't be your own boss! by the_wesman · · Score: 1

    So, I work as a software engineer and I'm in that 50,000 - 60,000 a year bracket - we just recently took on 2 consultants from a consulting firms - these ninjas make over $100/hour! which, at 40 hours/week for a 6 month contract (26 weeks) is twice what I make in a year in half the time! Plus since these crackers have a consulting firm placing them into big companies, they're pretty much guaranteed work (yeah yeah, nothing is guaranteed, but....)

    My company has a revolving door of constultants and the ones that are good get their contracts extended.

    If I had to do it over again, I'd team up with Patni, or AppLabs or Tek Systems and get the same job I have now for 4x the money.

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    1. Re:Be a contracter - but don't be your own boss! by dentar · · Score: 1

      They may make $100.00 per hour, but when the contract is over, they could have several months of bupkis. That $100/hr quickly becomes as good as $20.00/hr.

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    2. Re:Be a contracter - but don't be your own boss! by bombshelter13 · · Score: 1

      Depending on your desired standard of living, 20$ an hour is quite a liveable wage. If uou can work for a month or two and then sit on your ass doing nothing for several afterworks and still have the equivelant cash of a 20$/hour full time position, that's not a bad deal.

    3. Re:Be a contracter - but don't be your own boss! by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      "these ninjas make over $100/hour! which, at 40 hours/week for a 6 month contract (26 weeks) is twice what I make in a year in half the time!"

      I gather, you are not qualified to work for that contracting firm? Otherwise your strategy should be obvious.

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  41. So rent an office by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    In most cities there is office space available for people like you. Don't asume that all office space is designed for growing companies with lots of employees. There are often spaces available where several individuals share the same facilities but do completely separate things. A Web developer friend of mine had a place like this once. basically had a common entry area that included a kitchenette (microwave, coffee machine etc.), a couch, and a coffee table with a couple of magazines where clients could wait. Surrounding that was a bunch of offices. The lady in the office next to my friend was a field rep for Dole Pineapple. Another guy was some other kind of marketer. Another one was some kind of programmer. It wasn't a bad setup and, like you say, it gave him someplace to go to get away from the distractions of home and get some work done. Plus, during the downtime he could even chit-chat with his "coworkers" on a business-y level, even though they didn't actually work together. There's something to be said, psychologically, for occasionally seeing another human soul besides your immediate family during the work week.

    Of course, this does take a certain amount of money. But look at it this way: If your billing structure isn't enough to accommodate the very basics, like a roof over your desk, then you're probably either not charging enough or not working hard enough. Sounds like you need to go out and find yourself another client.

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  42. Be prepared, don't do it on a whim by clafortefeelingsoftw · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before I funded Feeling Software, I researched the market for several months. I also contacted hundreds of former colleagues, industry contacts, etc. I made sure I had enough cash in the bank to last at least 6 months. (It takes on average 2-3 months before I get paid by my clients, partly because currency exchanges from USD to CND means that checks are frozen for a month.) I read several books, e.g. "Getting started in Computer Consulting (Meyer)". I had nearly 10 years of commercial experience for highly reputable companies. I also did managed the R&D for a start-up for over a year. I knew about government subsidies, how to deal with investors, etc. Basically, I was prepared for the next step. It's been 8 months now and overall we've been quite successful. 4 employees (myself included), a dozen excellent clients, including regular ones. Cool projects. I'm still not making as much salary as I could if I worked full-time. But that's because we keep money to invest in the company. Overall the company is profitable and we're always ready to hire top talent when we see it. Note that unless you're pro at what you do, and therefore already able to keep a good and satisfying full-time job, you're not going to enjoy contract work more than regular work. Good luck. Christian Laforte 3D Graphics Expert http://www.feelingsoftware.com/

    1. Re:Be prepared, don't do it on a whim by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      partly because currency exchanges from USD to CND means that checks are frozen for a month

      You need a better bank. Or just have your customer wire you the funds.

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  43. Mobility is key by adoll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do contract engineering work for mining and oilsand clients. In the last 5 years I have worked, in order: in Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton, Vancouver, Edmonton and am currently in Vancouver. Two of the lean times have been very lean and forced the move from city to city, the other moves were chasing better opportunities.

    Two other comments:
    -I could never have made this work if I was encumbered with a wife/offspring.
    -I will never go back to being an employee. Well, if I get hungry enough I might, but if I'm not hungry, then I'm not interested in being an employee.

    -AD

  44. All Depends by spookyfluke · · Score: 1

    I left a stable permanent positionat a small software company in order to strike out on my own. I was hard but eventually I landed and long-term contract with a large company. Overall, I didn't like the contract. I felt the contractors were treated as second class employes. I just recently accepted a permanent position in the public sector (non-profit hospital - this is Canada, eh :). I believe it will be the best of both worlds. Doing what I love for and employer that doesn't judge me based on how much money I can earn for them.

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  45. Here in Germany... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could earn as much as ~50 Euro/h as a contractor here.

    The problems are:
    1) Health-insurance becomes obscenely high. As a matter of fact it's the health-insurance that makes the lifes of most contractors here in germany very difficult for nothing. You still need a 2nd Health-insurance for your teeth and glasses.

    2) The good ol' goverment burns ~70% of the tax income for bureaucrats and you'll have to pay your share. No matter if you have work or not.

    3) The majority German IT Business isn't about programming. German IT Businesses take pride in training social skills and consuling (re-selling) the software products of others.
    The most software projects you can get involved with here in germany are plain bullshit.

    4) You don't want to work as a programmer here in germany because most software companies here have no culture. They stubbornly believe that group work can compensate incompetency.

    If you want to work as a programmer here you better move to cologne and kiss asses until you landed at EA. They might ask you to move to Canada. And you'll say: "Yes, I would like that!".

    Or go to India. The climate is great. Life costs are low and programmers there have (in relation) a good income.

    1. Re:Here in Germany... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, 50,-/h! if this is your rate then...well...and according to your EA statement it seems like you're some kind of game-code-monkey (maybe even a voluntary college drop out during the .com boom - i know quite a bunch of those in the same situation). then yes, your perspectives in germany a close to null! and i'm not talking about switching to sap consulting (sucks even more!). you could take advantage of the inherent lack of system architects that really deserve that title - that's what is really missing here in most projects and i'm always happy to fill that void ;). or just refresh/gain some embedded system skills - this might dramatically change your view of the german it market (esp. in the southern part).

  46. My brother did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My brother was a civil servant like I still am. The civil service is very inflexible about remuneration. He quit and hired back as a consultant. He works on a large database and programs in a strange language (Mumps) and there aren't a lot of people around who can take his place. His house is twice the size of mine. He makes a mint, obviously more than me.
    He's been doing so for the last twenty years. So, yes, it can work.

  47. Flexibility and higher pay? by asackett · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't count on flexibility and higher pay. You'll have two jobs where before you had only one: You'll be the boss, but you'll also have to be the employee.

    I've seen my income go both well over and well under what I was making before going into business for myself. Overall, I'm making less money than I used to, but I'm far more independent. If you value independence more than money, self employment is a good gig. If you value money more, stay in the korporate world.

    More money? Check the prices of health and life insurance, the cost of your currently paid vacations and sick days, and calculate your tax burden. If you're going to have more than one or two clients, you're going to be lucky if you can manage to make much more than half of your office hours billable. If you have only one or two clients, all it takes is for one to pull the plug and things get really dicey really quickly.

    When you're self employed, you have to deal with slow pays, bankrupt clients, and slow to completely dry spells that can last for several months at a time. If you don't have the discipline to set at least three and preferably six months' expenses aside, it'll take only one dry spell to leave you flat broke. Then you'll discover that the better (higher paying) employers don't look favorably upon renegades. "How do we know that you won't return to your own business as soon as things pick up for you again?"

    That all said, I've been running my business for nine years now, exclusively for the last seven. I would never go back to wage slavery. Who needs higher pay, shorter hours, better benefits, social interaction... wait a minute...

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  48. Salesmen are born, not made by grikdog · · Score: 1

    Don't be naive. You'll have one client whose investment in you is smaller than it would be as a paid employee. You get no workman's comp, no health insurance, no dental plan, no 401k, no child college plan -- and you'll pay quarterly taxes, self-employment taxes and whatever fees you cough up to incorporate yourself. Are you an accountant? You'll need one. If market conditions change, your client (your former employer) will outsource your sorry chairwarming behind to Trinidad. As a "consultant", you'll have to wrangle your own consultees, and do you have time to sell yourself as well as generate and sell your billables? Unless you've got serious credentials at the Ph.D. from M.I.T. altocumulus stratum, you are living in The Happiest Land of All, i.e., Fantasyland. Face it. If your people skills were THAT good, you'd be in marketing, you'd be smiling, and you'd be C.E.O. of the company you just left.

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  49. First things first by KittyFishnets · · Score: 1
    Before you make the switch:

    1. Calculate your monthly household expenses.
    2. Open a high interest savings account. EmigrantDirect, ING, whatever.
    3. Deposit 3 months expenses. This is your emergency fund. Don't touch it.
    4. Save up an an additional 1-2 months expenses. This is float money. Keep it in your checking account or an easily accessible savings.
    5. Investigate your retirement plan options.
    6. Ask friends and family to recommend a good accountant.
    7. Decide what form of business you'll be operating. Sole prop., LLC, S corp., etc.

    KFN

  50. Your kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the Slashdot crowd who've made the change - what was it like, was it worth it...

    Your kidding, right?

    If your pissed with your job and you are truly good at what you do become a consultant. No problem, I did this in 1995 and have never looked back. I liked my job back then, I liked the people I worked with too... but the pay was basic at best... and years of failed management promises later I called some who stayed. It depressed me, they laid off many in the worst of times and many did not recover.

    If your with a company that isn't treating you well - LEAVE on the first decent opportunity. And don't look back.

    For me, I am now happy with my employment and only wish I did it sooner. Most companies in I/T and SW engineering treat their technical staff sub-par. However, if you are with an employer that pays well and treats you well - STAY. A real good employer is best, consulting is second best and being with a grub employer is well - existing.

    But if you are in the business for none other than the love of it, you will be washed out.

  51. Moving to Freedom!!! by sdoughtie · · Score: 1

    I work in AEC (Architecture, Engineering and Construction) industry, but I can't believe that the 'basics' of freelancing would be much different in the software industry. Just to give you some perspective, I have 15 years experience in the Computer Aided Drafting, Architectural Design, Structural Design and Construction Project Management. About 80% of my work is done in front of a computer. I also operate a website that gives my clients access to their projects.

    I always dreamed of working for myself and believed that it was the only way that I would ever get paid what I thought I was worth. Last March, my employer that thought it would be a good idea to offer me a reduction in salary by $10 an hour. It was actually a good time for me; I developed many business contacts and relationships. I also had some money in savings (for the first time in my life). When I presented this 'offer I couldn't refuse' I quit on the spot. I felt really good about it!

    Shockingly, over the first few months I became extremely busy, yet the lag in time from work to getting paid became a problem. A few times finances were really tight.

    Once you get cash flow moving, things become really great! I had to learn to see projects as Investments and Risks. As any investment, there is no guarantee of return (or that you'll get paid). There are things that you can to minimize the risk, but there is always risk.

    The benefits are great: I have an extremely flexible schedule, yet I work many hours. I love not having to check in with a supervisor. I am free of office politics. The tax benefits are extremely good, except for FICA; your employer pays half of that now. (You'll be expected to pay all of it; 15% of your income, quarterly).

    Some clients like to treat you like an employee. Some ask, "What kind of work you have on your plate?" Sometimes it may be honest curiosity, but remember that all you owe your clients is first-rate fulfillment of what they contracted you for.

    Also, learn how to write contract proposals!

    1. Re:Moving to Freedom!!! by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      You'll be expected to pay all of it; 15% of your income, quarterly

      Try at least 30% (15% FICA + 15% Income Tax) + whatever state taxes you might be required to cough up quarterly.

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    2. Re:Moving to Freedom!!! by ErikZ · · Score: 1


      What risks do you look for when evaluating a contract?

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    3. Re:Moving to Freedom!!! by sdoughtie · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the tax advantages are better. For instance milage and expenses reduce your Gross Income. You can also incorporate to limit the Fica.

    4. Re:Moving to Freedom!!! by sdoughtie · · Score: 1

      Currently, I write all of the contracts. If it is a new client, I may request a payment down at commencement of work, then bill them twice monthly as the project progresses. As you work with client you learn which ones that you trust (even without a contract). I have found that a contract proposal is best because it insures that everyone understands what the scope of work is and what payment terms are expected. The proposal can contain optional services that your client may not have considered. If there is any objection to the contract, this is not a bad thing it helps refine the business relationship.

    5. Re:Moving to Freedom!!! by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      You can take mileage from your employer if you travel for work (but not for commuting). If you aren't reimbursed for mileage or expenses, then you can take them as a deduction on your schedule A. I think that as an independent contractor, you probably can take your commute as mileage for expense purposes - but you'll want to check with your tax man.

      If you incorporate, you can avoid FICA, but you still need to pay yourself a "fair wage" - you can't pay yourself $1/month and take the rest of what you make as dividend income. It's a good deal - especially if your making more than what you would be making by working as an employee somewhere - but not a 100% effective tax shelter.

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  52. Former Contractor turned Salary by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I pulled contracting gigs from 2k1 to 2k4. And it was okay. I was a single early 20s guy, fresh out of the military with vetrans health care and a strong liver. Jump up to 2k4 and I had a wife, kid, and a house to keep tabs on. My last contract was killing me because health insurance was not included and the bill for family coverage was $980/month. So a year ago I got hired on to a local very successful and stable company, and I've been loving it ever since. No more down time with unemployment and odd jobs to pay the rent. No more putting my resume into 600 applicant positions. No more worrying about what will happen when I finish a project. Nope, I took a slight pay cut, but I gain full health insurance, 401k with 8% matching, profit sharing, a yearly bonus (depending on sales), a cubicle with a window view, and a project list about a mile and a half long. Job security is a beautiful thing!

    -Rick

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  53. Don't underestimate the benefits of being fulltime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is easy to underestimate the value of the benefits that most "permanent" employees have. I recently considered a contract position that was going to pay $70/hr. In my current position I make good, but not great, money as a Java architect. I did the math and figured up the monetary value of my benefits (stock, 3 weeks vacation, sick days, holidays, 401k) and the "break even" point for me was somewhere between $60 and $65/hr. Oh, and by the way I wouldn't see any money as a contractor for about 65 days. And the contract was only four months. The extra $5-$10/hr just wasn't enough. I would basically have to put all of that money in my "rainy day" fund, so my disposable income would have been about the same.

    My point is that many people look at hourly rates in the range of $60-$70/hr and *assume* that it is a lot more money than they are currently making. Once you factor the value of benefits, that may not actually be the case. The worst thing you can do is jump into a consulting engagement assuming that you will make more money.

  54. I work for Google on a contract/ part time basis. by nigelvthomas · · Score: 1

    The economy is moving, in terms of multiple phases within decades even hundereds of years, from an essentially supply vs demand percieved dynamic, to a subscription based more liquid dynamic. So in a sense jobs are like subscriptions, if you have multipple contracts.

  55. My experience by bjtuna · · Score: 1

    I got out of college and got a decent salaried position in NJ at a small online retailer. The pay was about what you'd expect. Then I quit because I was moving across the country, to Idaho. When I got here, I took a contracting position at a very VERY large computer/electronics firm here whose name consists of two letters. I was writing automated scripts in TCL to test the firmware on certain hardware devices they make. In general, contractors were looked down upon as second-class citizens, even though we made up like 50% of the workforce. Like in "Office Space," I had 8 bosses at LEAST. Nobody knew what anyone else was doing. Total corporate clusterf*ck.

    After being there for 3 weeks, they pulled our entire team (about 50 contractors) into a conference room and told us the client had to meet a budget cut and we'd be put on "furlough" for 3 weeks, effective 5 minutes ago. I started looking for a new job the next morning, found one a few days later and I've been happy as a clam. Making more money, benefits are MUCH better, and it's a friendly collaborating working environment with no cubes.

    So while contracting at some places might not be bad, my experience left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

  56. Rule #1 with kids by robbo · · Score: 1

    Working @ home doesn't work so well with small kids around- "Honey can you change DD's diaper?", "Honey can you watch DD while I hop in the shower/run to the store/etc/etc?" Make sure you've got your own work space that is strictly off-limits to kids and significant others while you're "@ work". Otherwise you'll find your productivity is a fraction of what it should be.

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  57. If you are good ... by cprice · · Score: 1

    ... you will have as much job security as any perm employee. I have also been told that since contracts are budgeted in advance they, at times, can be more secure than regular employment.

    1. Re:If you are good ... by cprice · · Score: 1

      Reading the comments below, people keep saying how contracting is a nightmare. My contracting experience over the last 4 years has been anything but. How fricking hard is it to keep 2 spreadsheets with expenses/wage disbursements in one, and revenues in the other? Get an accountant and pay them a grand a year to do your business and personal taxes.

      Anyone who says this is hard is on crack. I have maybe 2 days of work at year end to review my recipts, cancelled cheques, bank statements and pull my *TWO* spreadsheets into an envelope to give my accountant. He calls a couple of weeks later, tells me how much tax I owe and how much I owe him. I always leave with a smile on my face.

      This isnt rocket science by a long shot people...

  58. The problem... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    with bidding on projects on the job boards you mentioned is that you have guys from the US and guys from countries like India bidding on the same jobs. The US contractors want $80/hr, the Indian guys want $10/hr. It's very tough to land a freelance contract that doesn't require you to be onsite.

    1. Re:The problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bids don't always go the the lowest bidder, usually the buyer is aware that doing that will get him nothing. Secondly, you are doing this partly to just develope clients; you should be doing this kind of thing before you are really on your own, or in time that you could not otherwise make money with.

      Don't under bid yourself to levels that are too low, however. It makes no sense to develop a customer that can't or won't pay enough for you to survive on. But do stop and think about how much YOU would be willing pay for someone sight unseen to undertake the work. You will soon realize that the only way to stay ahead is to only bid on work that you are expert in, so it won't take you as much time as others, and to bid fairly, both to yourself and the other guy, and that the total amount of time spend searching the listings and writing proposals that never get you a dime is substantial.

      Once you really realize those three things, and really internalize it, you will be ahead of 90 percent of the guys trying to start freelancing.

    2. Re:The problem... by periol · · Score: 1

      Hence the reason that I don't bother to do much programming at work (even if I can). I much prefer to focus on work that *requires* on-site work, because while today I may get that job over some Indian programmer, in two, five, or ten years I won't be getting that work.

      Anything that I can do remotely, someone from India or rural Indiana can do cheaper.

  59. It's all about connections by recharged95 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Was it worth it? Yes, from an experience point of view you can see how much technical value relates to business. Like shockingly only 33% of a total gig. Successful contractors get the big picture of a problem/customer and can apply their expertise to develop a solution. That's why you're paid the big bucks in contracting. Unsuccessful contractors just get paid big bucks (and screw up the implmentation, hence contractor/consultants get a bad wrap in general--like lawyers). Then again that can sound just as good if you can get a steady stream of cash year over year (think federal contracting!). Definitely, there are way more bad contractors than good contractors.


    Otherwise, 8 out of 10 contracting jobs are usually doing the crap work no one else wants to do. And working with other contractors IS A ROYAL PAIN. Most of my contracting gigs paid great, but the work was pretty undesirable (read: CODE MAINTAINANCE ;) ). That's why connections are so critical in contracting, I doubt anyone off the street with a Ph.D. in CompSci is going to get a cool gig with a Google or a CIA shop. You either need world-known credentials or a good network and you'll be fine contracting, and then ultimately, you will enjoy that work. Otherwise, most contractors drop in-and-out of the corporate/startup environment because of the funding problems and that they fall into a niche they didn't choose, cause gigs come and go in buckets due to the environment.

  60. Keep trying by moebius_4d · · Score: 1

    The first time I did this, I transitioned from an FTE to an independent contractor. There were some resentments about this, and I was seen as disloyal by some. Politics being what it is, I was soon released.

    Next time I did it right. Working at a small consultancy in a pretty independent way to start with, I started volunteering to take small projects that didn't pay until delivery, on a fixed bid basis. Then I was able to hire some guys to help me and turn around and justify being paid for these projects as a 1099 because I had deductable business expenses. Soon I was a sole proprietor.

    (I've always maintained my own health insurance, for years before this, because of experiencing the problems caused by a layoff. It's not for everyone, but in this case it helped me transition easily.)

    Benefits: control of my own schedule, able to work for more than one shop, hire my own guys and delegate as needed.
    Downside: higher risk, times with no income, people wanting to push project risk downhill

    An example of that last one would be, shop accepts a project on a fixed bid, promptly fucks it up spending half the money. Asks me can I complete it for what's left. When I'm done the client of course has some changes to make before acceptance. If I have 6-12 man months in it, I can't afford to say no and walk away. Fun fun. You just have to make sure to leave a cushion for contingencies in your bids, and when you are doing someone a favor, make sure you tell them that. Don't rub it in, but also don't just say "sure!" Make sure they know you are taking a hit. Because these things add up in the relationship.

  61. Consulting? by presidentbeef · · Score: 2, Funny

    All I know about it is that consultants contribute a lot of code to the Daily WTF

    --
    Everything I need to know about copyrights I learned from Slashdot.
  62. I love this part: by bahwi · · Score: 1

    Consulting maxim:
    You have no job security, even if you think you do

    From what I've seen, this is getting to be pretty equal in a salaried/hourly job as well. I've seen projects set back months because someone copped an attitude with the wrong person. Not to mention a highly paid consultant can get the project back on track, and for less than your annual salary in most cases. Not always true(well, really, it is, but people want to think it's not)

  63. I've done both by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    and the direct employment has included some pretty short term stuff with failing dot coms. I made good money ... and I was gone in 6 monthes. The turbulence or if you want to talk like a Republican, the dynamism of the tech job market means you wont have a lot of job security in either mode of employment.
    so why am I telling you to go for the contracting if it interests you? You MUST like honing your skills and learning new systems, languages, applications etc and if you can hack the contracting, it will bulk up all but the most stellar resumes [IMHO].

    --
    SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
  64. Prepare. by abulafia · · Score: 0
    One part at a time...

    have been tempted

    Certainly.

    by the self-management,

    This is only an ideal, and depends on the client. Heavily. Expect to be managed heavily at first, unless you're leveraging off some known quantity that you have a working relationship with, who already treats you like this. I'm now a small firm, and we still have people who want to micromanage my employees, rather a lot.

    flexibility

    Yes, perfect flexibility. Remember that the other word for that is 'risk'. I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just saying that the uncertainty that allows flexibility implies the risk of making the wrong choice, and not having a gig.

    and higher pay

    I don't know what the average is. My desire not to leak finance information makes me not want to guess. But I took a massive hit from my corporate drone job to fully independent, and another big hit when dealing with incorporation. I don't feel bad about the choice now, but there were moments when I thought I has miscalculated, and was going to get kicked out of my apartment. (Actually, more precisely, I should have planned more carefully in those cases. It worked out, but never count of that.) For the record, I've got a much nicer place to work, 'cause I own it, and all; I still make less than my last drone job. 1099 sucks hard, and becoming a C- or S- corp doesn't make it easier, although it can release a little more money back to you. Don't think it is all wine and roses. that are the perks of being a contractor, while at the same time looking nervously at the uncertainty and irregular income.

    It can work. You're going to work you're ass off. Don't think it is easier - you're so doomed, unless you're really special.

    Typically, the only people that build businesses around me are people like me - we can't hold normal jobs, and have to build something to have a future. Go figure.

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    I forget what 8 was for.
  65. Field Service... by lord_of_the_apes · · Score: 1

    Contract jobs kinda rock. Just Imagine, working at different states of the US doing what you enjoy. I don't mind the contract positions that is a new trend for programmers. But, for a someone who is married and have kids, I can see the downside in contracs..

  66. Master your finances, master marketing. by 2ndRateSoul · · Score: 1

    Being self-employed is alot more difficult, challenging and risky than simply being an employee. You'll have less vacation and alot more stress. Doing the technical work is the easiest part of being successfully self-employed. The upside, however, is potentially unbounded.

    Before making the switch from salaried to contractor, get your personal finances under control. Your own finances will dicate how long you can float during lean times and there will be lean times. Reduce your monthly burn as much as reasonable. Don't take on unnecessary debt. Be wary of recurring expenses. Make sure you have good records. Get comfortable with Quicken. Understand how much money you need on a month to month basis in order to stay afloat. Know how long you can burn before you run out of cash. Beware of estimated taxes. In a highly variable income environment sometimes making too much money can be worse than too little; one $40K month can blow you into the next tax bracket throwing your whole year off and possibly running you into trouble on April 15th.

    Understand pre-tax vs. post tax money. Understand what's a business expense and what isn't. Based on performance year to date project out what you expect to make in the months ahead.

    Buy the NoLo Press book - Software Development, A Legal Guide. Read it.

    Buy The "Getting to yes" book by the Harvard Press. Other books to consider: "Inside the tornado", "selling the invisible".

    Your first year is the most important. Keep track of /everything/. Understand what your good months are and what the lean times are. Chances are, if your business is like most, the fall will be your best time. Mid-summer the worst.

    Understand that you're not self-employed, you're running a business.

    Get a contact manager and start jotting down /everyone/ you meet, who they are, what they do and how they fit into a "funnel" of prospective clients. You just never know who is going to turn into a customer or refer business your way.

    Contracts and new relationships take years to develop. Start building them on day 1.

    Generally avoid the temptation to allow one client to be too large a percentage of your income. Even if the money is good, sometimes scaling back and taking on more clients is better. Think portfolio diversification.

    Assuming you're doing coding, everyone will ask you for exclusives on your code. Find a reason that makes sense to them that they don't want an exclusive. Try to own everything you write. License it non-exclusively to your clients. Over time your portfolio of code will be worth vastly more than the higher rate you might make by licensing it exclusively to your client - and that will be your leverage. If you do it right, you can move from hourly consulting/contracting to building a business with real value (and frankly most clients will want to know that a codebase has a life of it's own.)

    If you're making the transition from employee to contractor with a client already willing to fund you nearly full time, it's easier than striking out completely on your own.

    If you're totally on your own, forget everything you think you know about marketing. Forget every vacuous marketeer you've met. Find a good one and befriend them. (trust me on this one, marketing is the key to surviving losing that huge client that's been keeping you fat, happy and complacent all this time.) Understand how to speak in the language of your target audience. They will probably not care about abstract interfaces, execution times or coding elegance. When pricing yourself speak in their language; understand not what you are doing, but what it means for them. A good resource of articles is http://www.turningpointemarketing.com/ - disclaimer, these people are a customer of mine.

    Every moment of every day you are self-employed has to be marketing. Doing excellent code is marketing. Telling someone what you do is marketing. Build a website about what you do.

    1. Re:Master your finances, master marketing. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Nice.

      The only thing I'd add to this: if you love to write code or build cool, complex systems, know that you will soon learn to actually dislike the work. It will be polluted by the running of the business. This isn't a bad thing, it's just reality. You will quickly feel small pockets of PHB-ness as you fall behind on cutting-edge stuff.

      If you don't really want to run a business, work for a consulting company. That way you get to be exposed to all sorts of different projects, you still get the regular paycheck, and someone else does all the beancounting, etc. That's sometimes a better bridge between being a dedicated single-customer IT worker and a solo consultant.

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      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  67. Important lesson I learned: SAVE! by thesqlizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before a business partner and I decided to go on our own, I made a point to have at least six full months of money at my current standard of living *before* we made the leap. Because of certain choices I/we made in landing some of our contracts, it got dicey towards the end. Luckily, it has gone well since.

    I'll tell you what: Once I saw how quickly the six months passed with contracts dragging on and on, I've since made two pledges to myself:

    A.) to have at least 1 full year of loot in the bank in cash and solid investments (low risk bonds and the like) juuuust in case
    B.) to always save at least 10% of my gross income monthly even after I'd achieved A.
    I personally watched four good-sized to lucrative contracts all at once drag on FAR longer than any reasonable person would have expected. Then there's the normal invoicing and payment delays, particularly so when working with very large companies, government, or educational institutions.

    As for the mechanics of savings, IMHO ingdirect.com is a great way to do just that as they offer superior rates.

  68. You must be ruthless about keeping... by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1
    up with technology.

    I used to be a contract programmer. I did mostly C++, Windows, UNIX, some SQL work. I kept getting hired as a C++ guy with not much opportunity to move to the newer web stuff. Well, to make a long story short, it's all web stuff now and the only C++ work that's around is embedded stuff, which I have no experience with.

    What I'm trying to say is - On job, try to find some way to use the Next Great Thing (TM). Anyway you can. Otherwise, while you're on a contract for a year or more, the contract job market changes and then you can't get work.

    Classes in the new technology? HA!
    No one wants to hire a contractor unless he has at least a couple of years of experience. That's why they're hiring a contractor. Because if they were willing to train or have someone with less experience, they'd use someone internally. Or, you can just read up on something, lie about it, and just hope when they check up on you, they don't find out about it.

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    Evil people don't think they're evil. - George Lucas, Making of Ep III
  69. Old vs. Young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the big issues is health insurance. The older you get, the more you need it. If you take perscription medications then employer based health plans can save you a lot of money. I'm an Old Guy (55) and I had to go for surgery, and it would have been thousands of dollars if not for my aerospace level health plan. Part of not needing medical care is lifestyle, and part is age. One size fits none, YMMV.

  70. benefits by lseltzer · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been freelance since 1998 and I'm on my wife's benefits. Yes, it would be much tougher without her (at least WRT benefits).

    There are other ways, although I haven't thoroughly investigated them, such as through The Freelancer's Union. It's expensive there, but not really out of line for what your employer's paying for you in a "real" job.

    1. Re:benefits by bmj · · Score: 1

      Also check if you've got a local tech council. If so, they may offer benefits plans, though you'll likely have to form a company/LLC/proprietership (sp?) to join.

      --
      Whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must be silent. --Ludwig Wittgenstein
    2. Re:benefits by Blue+Lozenge · · Score: 1
      Yes, it would be much tougher without her (at least WRT benefits).
      But not WRT her?

      Women. You can't live with 'em, you can't live with 'em.

  71. Some thoughts by bcarl314 · · Score: 1

    Having made this same decision 3 months ago, I've been quite fortunate so far, but I attribute this to a few things.

    First - I didn't just jump ship, I'd been moonlighting for about a year before hand. This gave me a lot of experience in managing projects and relationships and learning some warning signs for bad clients. Yes, there are people that you don't want to work with. Moonlighting also helped be establish a client and referral base, which I'm sure most consultants will agree is the key to success.

    Second - I planned ahead. Save up 3 - 6 months of living expenses if you can. The worst thing to happen when you're a consultant is to take a job because you need the money and not because you want the project. What you bid on and work on should be something you like to do. One thing to keep in mind is just because you make $15,000 one month, doesn't mean you're going to make $180,000 a year. I try to pay myself about 50% of revenue for a month. The rest goes to taxes and business expenses and building up a solid base to get me through the down times (which I plan on seeing sometime - but haven't yet - knock on wood). It also saves on SS / Medicare taxes, which you'll be forced to pay double now.

    Third - Get benefits rolling BEFORE you quit. Typical health insurance applications can take 3+ months from application to coverage, longer if you have health problems in your family. You can always go for COBRA from your former employer, but that's usually very expensive. A better option, in many cases, is a high-deductable HSA plan.

    Forth - Get organized. I've used Billing Orchard for my invoicing system and I highly recommend them. Whether you want to use a service like that, or create / manage your own through quickbooks or what ever, the key is to keep on top on client account management.

    Finally - My approach to consulting has not been to go after the 90 day / 6 month full time contracts, but rather string together several 10 - 20 hour / week contracts. Is this the best route? Maybe, maybe not, but from my point of view, if one client drops me for whatever reason, at least I didn't lose 100% of my revenue stream. Whereas with a 90 day / 6 month contract, I think I'd feel more like I'm applying for a new job every few months.

    Anyway, that's my 2 cents and that along with a buck twenty five might get you a cup of coffee. ;)

  72. If you have the discipline... by Aquitaine · · Score: 1
    I worked full-time for a couple years out of college and then switched to contract work because I wanted to move to NYC and have a career as an actor -- but not one where I'd have to wash dishes and temp all the time, as I figured trying to be an actor is enough stress without adding 'work twice as hard for half as much as you made before' to the mix. While the acting business isn't really relevant to the question here, it does have a couple small but important side effects: I don't have to support myself -entirely- off of contracting as acting can pay a few bills here and there, and the other side of that coin is that I can't allocate the same amount or regularity of hours to contracting since it's secondary to why I'm really here. But other than that, it's the same business as the next contractor. Important points:
    • Discipline. If you have (as another posted mentioned) a small child, a significant other, or anything going on in your immediate vicinity, either make arrangements to work when they are not around or else rent yourself a small office space (not practical in NYC but it is in a lot of other places). The 'work from home' magic is great when it's an occasional treat for your salaried job, but when you have to get 100% of your work done at home -- particularly when your work computer suddenly becomes the same computer that has solitare, Quake, whatever -- there are a million little reasons why whatever it was you meant to do today can wait. This will kill you very fast unless you can force yourself to focus for long periods of time without somebody breathing down your neck, because as a contractor, by the time somebody is breathing down your neck it's probably already too late.
    • Taxes. Keep meticulous records of everything you earn and spend that is related to your business and remember that there are now four tax days per year instead of one. Hire an accountant if you're at all concerned, because better to pay a little extra and get it right than to discover too late that you owe!
    • Contacts. Depending on the type of programmer/IT person you are, you probably don't do everything yourself. In my case, I'm a web developer and database guy, so while I can do a lot of things on my own, I'm not as savvy as somebody who spends 100% of their time dealing with databases, and I'm also not a designer. I would not have been able to go into this business on my own unless I knew not only people who were good at these things that I could occasionally hit up for advice or tips, but also other contractors I could farm work out to so I never have to tell a client that I can only do part of the job. (And you then have to oversee the sub-contractor, of course, but if they're really good contacts you already know their work.)
    • Market yourself. If you don't have a portfolio, you might as well not bother, unless you're really in some business where a portfolio isn't applicable. If that's the case, you'd better have really good references. Unless you are going one notch up to 'small business' from 'contractor', all of your work will come via word of mouth from your existing clients. Which means...
    • The customer is even more always right than they used to be. You will suddenly appreciate the pointy-headed middle-managers who kept the needy customers off your back so you could code, because you have to do their job, too (only without the extraneous smoke breaks). Even if a customer is making your life miserable, the only thing you can really do is not work with them in the future -- because breaking any sort of contract with any real business can be the end of your business; obviously there are exceptions, but even moreso than the threat of failure should be the 100% satisfaction rate you can advertise. You'll only get this by working twice as many hours as you bill for and spending twice as long again on the phone with your clients.

    Inasmuch as you have to give it 200%, though, it also forces you to stay current. You don't have a whole big team you can brainstorm with; you

  73. Contracting is the BEST, Jerry, the BEST by boy_afraid · · Score: 0

    I've always been a contractor for my 15+ years of IT and I love it. I've always done my own IT, savings, taxes, etc, and I'm incorporated. My rates are GREAT ($70/hr), and I get to work over time (straight pay). I don't worry about job security much because my skills are always in demand. I'm into Project Management now and liking the new responsibilities... that means rates will only go up!

    Don't worry about contacting, just know how to manage your money, time, and invoices. Which reminds me, I need to contact Accounts Payable because I haven't been paid yet.

  74. Contracting experiences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The pay may look higher, but it rarely is. You have to pay for health care, mileage, and other misc business expenses out of your own pocket, which will probably eat up half your rate. You have to work twice as hard just to keep up: not only do you need to focus on the work, there's invoices to send out, estimates to write, timetables. I'm more of the creative type and have trouble at business, so I have to suppliment it with another job. However, you are given an incredible amount of respect and trust as a consultant, and you don't have to deal with the office politics or the corporate grind. For me, that's the only way I can keep from going crazy.

    The three most important things I would say are: to stay focused by meeting with your client on a regular basis, never accept a project that you know will be a nightmare, and keep an organized office with a comfortable chair. You'd be surprised at how much a professional looking environment will have on your profession.

  75. Made my move 1y ago, wouldn't go back! by Mendossa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are (IMHO) two kind of contracting/consulting jobs:

    1) 100% real independant: you find the client, you convince him, you do all the work from home.
    2) being pimped: some firm calls you, you go work "in-house" for their client just like any other employee, but you're paid much more than if you were a "perm" since you're expendable, no insurance, no retirement, etc.

    I've done both and I have to say being 100% independant is a lot tougher: you must spend a lot of time shopping the client, convincing him, making sure he's happy, negotiate a bit when things aren't as smooth as planned. It can pay big time, but it can also backfire BIG time if you mess up. Working for a firm relieves a bit of pressure since you don't have to find the contract yourself, just apply for the position, but you still have to negotiate your rate with someone working for that firm who's sole goal and main skill is to negotiate you down ;)

    But no matter which way you go, there are some very important skills you need to work on.
    - Presenting yourself in an appropriate manner (dressing, talking)
    - Be at ease and used to negotiate, deal, do an interview, etc.
    - Build_your_network. Keep in touch with previous employers, senior employees, friends who know people who know people, etc.
    - Know your stuff (whatever you do, C++, project management) from A to Z.
    - Control your budget. Spend as much as you need to live well, but don't buy that cool new 5000$ gizmo unless you have 6+ months of savings in front of you :) You don't want to get to the point where you'd take any job at any rate because you're flat broke.

    You need to EAT thru every book you can find on selling, consulting, having your own business (IRS, accounting) and get as much advice and backup from friends and family. You need to get over any shyness or insecurity in order to give the impression of someone in control, able to accomplish the task at hand.

    From there it's up to you. Depending on your skills, you may very well end up having no security, not much more money. But if you really do your homework and identify and work on what you see as your weaknesses (eg: talking in public, negotiating your rate without the fear of "not getting the job") I can garantee you'll be happier than you were in your "perm" job.

    I had some tough times and it wasn't easy all the way. Got to a point where my whole fortune was 800$ and I had no work in front of me, nothing. But then again when I look back, I don't regret one bit. The kind of money I'm making now is the salary I dreamt of making "in 10 or 15 years when I'm a VP or big manager here at company XYZ".

  76. Love it, won't go back to being a peon by EnglishSteve · · Score: 1

    I started my own consulting/programming business after I was laid off from my last job.

    I plan on never having another "real" job again. I don't do much in the way of long-term contract work - most of my work is on a freelance basis out of an office in my house.

    Things I love:
    - My 15ft commute
    - Better coffee
    - The dress code (camo shorts and a "Parental Advisory: Atheist" t-shirt)
    - I get to play waaay more golf
    - All sorts of cool techy toys now become tax-deductible
    - The boss actually gives a sh*t about the employee

    Things I'm not so keen on:
    - You have to make an *effort* to interact with other carbon based lifeforms. This is important.
    - A certain amount of uncertainty over the regularity of income. Keep a savings buffer!
    - Trying to explain what I do to women in bars

    Things my friends point out:
    - "But you have no job security"... Answer: "Neither do you :P"

    1. Re:Love it, won't go back to being a peon by leadboot · · Score: 1

      Er. I admit I may not want to know the answer to this, but: what do you do to women in bars?

  77. The short test by bhmit1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you didn't have the constraints of being an employee, would you work more or less?

    If you'd work more because you get paid by the hour, enjoy what you do, have a desire to understand how businesses are run, and now have a vested ownership in the results, then you're on the right path to start contracting.

    If you like having the business do the business part for you (legal, financial, insurance, management, etc), like knowing that you can leave work behind after your 40 hours a week, and you don't go home trying to figure out what else you could be doing (and not just because you signed an IP agreement) then you're probably better off as an employee.

    It's a big leap, and everyone here is right when they say you take on more costs (but you already knew that I hope), that there's more work, taxes, risks, etc. But it really comes down to a personal desire, since if you have that desire (and hopefully some ability that people will pay for), then everything else will work itself out.

    1. Re:The short test by Forbman · · Score: 1

      Nah, in my experience, as a contractor, you are definitely pigeon-holed. You do your task, fill out your timecard, and go home. But I've worked at a couple of cheap-ass companies as a contractor, too, so my perspective is clouded by that.

      Not all companies are interested in outside perspective. They've hired a contractor to do a specific job, so do it.

      But it's also nice knowing that you're getting paid by the hour to do your work, instead of slaving away for some illusionary golden carrot.
      It can give you far more time to do other things, if you don't mind having to go to a job 350 days a year.

      If your life is too dependent on that steady paycheck, then stay salaried.

      At my last nebulous contracting gig, it was the salaried employees who could not work less than 40 hrs/wk, could not go home w/o having to think about what else is going to go wrong, at least in the group I worked in. It was seriously mismanaged and under a period of empire-building by the two or three managers.

      Me? I like being a contractor for a contracting company or two. Yes, I don't want do beat the birds from the bushes, as it may be, nor do I want to deal with the bookkeeping. So it's a fair tradeoff for me.

      My goal is to do what I said I was going to implement, and the challenge is to do it in a shorter timeframe than I proposed (of course, I did give myself some slack, too. You've got to add a pretty good fudge factor when you're an "outsider" dependent on so many others to get your job done).

  78. My Father in Law by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    Has been doing the job shop thing since 91. He has worked 12 of the 14 years and made better money than he did as a salaryed Engineer (EE) for Hughes Aircraft. He can do it all, hardware or software, but prefers programming. He took early retirement in 91 and gets the GM retirees discount on all vehicle purchases, plus his full pension. Right now he is in Phoenix with Honeywell for the fourth time, 60+ hours a week for hourly wages over $40/hr, thats over $100K/year. He spent 3 years in Syracuse, NY and did the QA on every line of code in the fire control computer for the Seawolf Submarine. Also was in Austin, TX and did the Y2K thing for MCI for 2 years. When his curent job ends he will be "really" retired, so he says, because he hit 71 in May. His retirement will be like the other two and last until he gets bored or offered enough to come back. Then again he might just take his 24 foot boat and go fishing wherever he and his wife feel like. I know that they will be here at either Thanksgiving or Christmas, last year they were in California with their 4 sons and families. It can be a great way to do things. Dave has met some people that take short jobs and go where they want to do things. Spend a summer fishing in MN after work and winter in TX for deer season.

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    Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
  79. If you work by the hour, you are a temp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My consulting business took off the day that I decided that I would never again perform work on an hourly basis. It makes for difficult negotiations, but I insist on a flat fee and a set completion date. This allows me to over-perform by getting jobs done ahead of schedule, and my clients dont bother me about adhering to a schedule. I show up for meetings and any other duties at the client site, but I dont let them watch me program, and I aint there to teach anyone how to do anything for free. This way, I can manage 4-5 programming jobs at the same time, and never have to watch a clock. I get a bonus if early and a fine if I am late. If you fill out a timecard in order to get paid, then you are a temp. Plain and simple.

    1. Re:If you work by the hour, you are a temp. by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That only works if you have the same equipment, configured the same, as the employer. Most people don't have access to mainframes off site.

    2. Re:If you work by the hour, you are a temp. by jlseagull · · Score: 1

      DingDingDingDing! Mine too. I've delievered three projects ahead of schedule for a flat fee and got good references and repeat business from them. Do you negotiate milestone / date / performance bonuses as well?

      --
      'Be always mindful, even when ditch-digging.' --D. T. Suzuki
    3. Re:If you work by the hour, you are a temp. by Moeses · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bah, I prefer a time and materials contract at a decent hourly rate. That way the management side of things (handling change orders, scope changes, compensating for the lack of capability of others, etc) is taken care of. The client carries the risk of not having their s@!# together, not me, and if they don't I don't have to suddenly go into "reevaluation mode", I can just pull out the solution to the new problem and charge for my time.

      Giving accurate estimates for how long work will take and then meeting those estimates is still an important part of the job, but this arrangement really cuts down on the non-paying and less interesting parts of my work. The downside is I don't get to rip anyone off by overcharging for my work. But I'm OK with that, I'm just here to solve peoples business problems and make them more productive.

      Fixed bid contracts *do* work well when the work is very specifically defined, but I find that the customer that understands what they want that well is pretty rare. Kudos to you if you can find them.

  80. Health Insurance by yoey · · Score: 1

    If your height to weight ratios are off, no matter that you don't smoke, drink, use drugs, have high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc., you are going to have a difficult time getting decent independent health insurance.

  81. Save Save Save... by sfdesigner · · Score: 1

    The biggest suggestion I can make is to always assume that after your contact is over, that the same amount of time you worked, you will not be working when the contract is over. Saving your income is key to ensuring that you can continue to work as a contractor in the future. As a rule, I tend to divide my money into three groups: 25% for taxes, 30% for savings, 45% for myself (which includes health insurance). While the taxes percentage might vary for you, I own a house and receive tax breaks for the interest and for my business expenses. If you rent, your tax percentage should be higher.

    Also, the hardest thing I found is that from time to time, you need to swallow your pride and get that part time job to hold things over, or do work that you can do but is out of your area. For example, a programmer might do a few websites on the side until a programming contract comes along, etc.

    As a side note, if you are comfortable in front of people, teaching at a community college or other location is a great way to make contacts, make some money and even pay for some benefits -- and not to mention the educational discount for software and hardware for your business...Something to look into...

  82. Legal necessities by xenophrak · · Score: 1


    One of the things that you'll want to do right off the bat is talk with a lawyer about startup costs and the type of business that you'll be going into.

    It might not seem important now, but the choice between SP, Partnership, DBA, LLC or S-Corp will have a big impact on your tax situation and your liability.

    Also try to get a handle on contracts (the legal kind) as you will need to know where you stand when you sign one, and what you will be responsible for. You don't want to have a large company coming after you for damages for mis-work that you never intended to last more than 6 months, but they never decided to take your advice and use it as a temporary fix. Investigate Errors and Omissions insurance and have lots of escape clauses and late payment penalties in your contracts.

    Just most of all, keep records and make sure it's on the up-and-up so that no one can claim fault, or if they do, you have the documentation to exonerate yourself.

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  83. yes, virgina, cleared people get laid off by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    >>
    Until I see the first US security cleared person (who can make 20% higher than a regular gov't employee) "transitioned" or "fired", then I'll believe "Job security does not exist anymore".

    It happens all the time. I worked for defense contractor that had a fairly small office, about 80 people. They lost a major contract, and over 50% of the staff was laid off. Many of those laid off, including me, held SSBI/top-secret clearances. This happend around 2000.

    What's more, many of the cleared people could not find other jobs where they could use their clearance. The defense contractors were just not interested. Now the contractors are begging for people with clearances, but it's too late, they have all expired.

    Go figure.

    1. Re:yes, virgina, cleared people get laid off by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Now the contractors are begging for people with clearances, but it's too late, they have all expired.

      Too bad for them - they can pay to have the BIs done and new clearances issued then. From personal experience with a few defense contractors and some of the shady bookeeping practices that they employed at my expense as a taxpayer, I have no sympathy for them.

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  84. In my experience... by jferris · · Score: 1

    ...I will not do it again. I contracted as a 1099 with a financial firm for a little more than a year, ending my contract last month. On paper, it sounds great. The amount of money I was making sounded like a lot more than it really was, though. As a 1099, I had no benefits of any kind. Conservatively, take 30% to 40% of what you will make contracting and set it aside. For me, that was money to put towards taxes at the end of the year, have a little cushion when checks are late (and by late, some of them were really late - two months in some cases). Depending on where you live and whether you want it or not, medical insurance can be a dealbreaker. I was in New York at the time (now in Pennsylvania) and insurance for myself and my wife would have ran nearly $900 a month. I took a position in Manhattan last month for about ten percent less than what I was "making" as a 1099. But it is worth every bit of the loss to me. Now, I have paid holidays, sick days, 401k, insurance, etc. You don't realize how much you will miss it until it is gone. If you do decide to persure a contract, get everything detailed in writing. Notably, try to get an established payment schedule from the employer. Also, take the time to talk to an accountant, as he will be able to tell you what you really need to make to support your lifestyle and what changes you might need to make. Sounds like good advice, and I wish that someone would have offered it to me before making the decision that I did. On the flip side, I know that there are people who absolutely love contracting. Maybe I had a sour experience, but the certainy I have with a "regular" job is something that I can't even begin to put a price on.

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  85. What $100.00/hour works out to with an agency... by SpectralDesign · · Score: 1

    It's hard to say, because you're non-specific, but I will assume that the $100.00/hour is going to the agency that placed said contractors. In that event, the absolute max you might expect them to be taking home would be $50.00/hour, but it's probably closer to $30.00

    I did some contract work where the client was paying $350.00/hour for my services, but I didn't get any bonus or any other special gratitude -- I just kept getting my $80,000.00/year salary and the "pleasure" of working for a week without sleep because I had to do my site work on the graveyard shift and had to spend all of my daytimes in meetings, both with the client and with the firm that placed me there.

    That's the catch -- you can be your own boss and half your income goes to taxes and insurance, or you can work for an agency and they take half your income to pay for taxes and insurance (plus a little skim, of course) and then you *do* have a boss telling you when/where you're going to be working each week.

    So, do you have the aptitude and drive to be your own sales team and accountant? or do you want to pay someone else to do it for you?

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  86. Contractors do it to contract?!? by pbhj · · Score: 1

    Surely the point of _contract_ors is that they work according to their contract (which differs, usually in length and reward, to a standard employees contract of work).

    So if your contractee states he'd like you to where blue lace panties when you configure sendmail, then hey-ho! (but I'd probably renegotiate!!).

    1. Re:Contractors do it to contract?!? by halltk1983 · · Score: 1

      I know a couple female contractors who'd proably agree.

      AFK... calling...

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    2. Re:Contractors do it to contract?!? by warpSpeed · · Score: 2, Funny
      So if your contractee states he'd like you to where blue lace panties when you configure sendmail, then hey-ho! (but I'd probably renegotiate!!).

      Contractors creed: No Act too unnatural.

      But I would have to raise my rate for the sendmail part. :-)

    3. Re:Contractors do it to contract?!? by pbhj · · Score: 1

      >>> Contractors creed: No Act too unnatural.
      >>> But I would have to raise my rate for the sendmail part. :-)

      LOL

  87. Contracting != Freelance != Consulting by NineNine · · Score: 4, Informative

    A "contractor" is the field of programming is somebody who works at a company, doing a regular job, but gets his/per paycheck from a head shop. I worked as a "contractor" for 5 years, and was never once freelance, and I never "consulted" with anybody: I just worked.

    As a contractor, I was paid significantly more. I was paid hourly instead of salaried, so I was actually paid for my time. I got to take off time between contracts as I liked, because most of the contracting firms had tons and tons of jobs waiting. Also, I wasn't generally involved in inter-office politics. I got to "job-hop" without being damaged by it on my resume... I simply chose 3-6 month contracts so I wouldn't get bored. Switching jobs that frequently allowed me to grow my skill set and experience very quickly. I never did any more paperwork than anybody else because I was a regular W-2 employee. I had all of the benefits that I wanted because I could easily afford benefits and much more.

    As a contractor, I usually felt bad for the "permanent" schlubs.

  88. My Advice... by nazzdeq · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've worked for Fortune 500 companies as a full-time employee and as a consultant. I've consulted in USA, Canada, Japan and South America. Here's my take:

    General Advice
    • If your rate is not $100/hr for a travel gig, don't bother. To cover your expenses will cost you about $25/hr. $75 is good locally. Less than than, I wouldn't bother.
    • The only way to make $100/hr. + is to ask for it. If you are a senior person, this should be no problem. Junior people, you're on your own. :-)
    • You end up making what you settle for. It's not all about technical skills, it's about negotiation. I know a guy who essentially does VB and makes $100/hr. plus because he can sell and knows business.
    • Network constantly. Once you are consulting at the client, always keep your eyes peeled for new opportunities within the same company.
    • Most Fortune 500 companies rarely contract directly to individuals and have a few preferred agencies/recruiters companies they use. Get in tight with a good one.
    • If a you go through an agency/intermediate company, find out what their bill rate is. If they don't tell you, don't take the gig.
    • If an agency/recruiter cannot get $100/hr + for your services, they're either small time or maintaining their own margins at your expense.
    • Companies that want to pay less than $100/hr for senior people are cheap and strapped for cash. Don't work there. It's bad news all around. The kind of place where you see one full-time guy doing about 3 full-time jobs.
    • Don't let intermediate companies make money from the sweat off your back - Client, Recruiter 1, Recruiter 2, Recruiter 3, You. I've seen guys who were making only $30 an hour and the client was getting billed $120/hr.
    • You can get cheap health care insurance for $300/month from www.ehealthinsurance.com in most regions.
    • Many companies will try to use the consultant to prove their own points. A consultant can say the same as a full-timre person, but is more believable because the client paid more for the same advice.
    • Not all employees at the client site will approve of your presence. Don't worry, work with the stakeholder.
    • The client is always right. Do what they ultimately want, not what you want. They're paying the bills.

    Pros

    • You have more freedom. You can choose to pay quarterly taxes, use that money for investments or whatever.
    • You pay less taxes as you can write off most everything.
    • Travel - you can see the world and the clients expense.
    • Retirement - you can open a SEP IRA and contribute up to 40k and write that off. Nice.
    • Training - many times the client will still send you to free training
    • Career - no ridiculous annual reviews where you are told your communication skills need improving or your not cutout for management..hehe.
    • Mobility - a consultant who takes 2 gigs a year has a much better network than the average full timer. If you ever want to go fulltime, you'll have more opportunities.

    Cons

    • Make sure the payment terms are clear. No pay, no work. Net 30 max. I once watched another consultant rack up $40k in expenses and his agency kept saying they would pay soon. Two months go by and they ultimately declare bankruptcy and his credit cards were maxed.
    • Gaps between gigs - you cannot relax that much as you have to find your next gig, so downtime isn't that fun unless you have a nice nestegg
    • You need generally liability insurance for many gigs. This runs about $3k per year.
    • Travel - many of the good gigs will not likely be in your hometown. Travel can be a disaster for many people since they don't like to do it.
    • Constantly looking for gigs - this can be a nightmare. If you don't like interviews, don't consult because you will inte
  89. I've no choice but to consult! by TheTiminator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being in my late 40's, it's almost impossible for me to find a technology or programming position with an established company. I'm either too old, too set in my ways, will want too much money, over experienced, too primadona, or too close to retirement age to be of any consideration compared to the 20-somethings out there. And since I don't want the headaches or want to play the politics of a management position, I'm basically forced into becoming a freelance consultant. With that in mind - I love it! I make my own hours. True, I usually work 60+ hours a week. But, I get to choose to take a morning off now and then without having to ask anyone for permission. Yes, the financials are a bit of a nightmare, but once you get the hang of it and keep track of every cent made, and every receipt, then it's not so bad. Also, if you have a lot of experience in a specific area of technology, and you have a knack at writing then you could also look at writing articles and books. Between writing and programming, I'm managing to keep pretty busy.

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  90. What health care do you think is worth buying ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It used to be that you would evaluate an insurance company by the ratio of the premiums it took in during a year compared to the payouts. A decent company paid out about 108 percent of premiums -- they get to keep the money for a while and invest it, so they still make a profit at that.

    If you look into it, you will find that many insurance companies now brag to investors in their annual reports that they pay out as little as 93 percent of premiums. That's not as bad as what I expect of Social Security, but it's still a massive ripoff.

    As an alternative, consider this: open an account at INGDirect.com and deposit what you would pay in insurance every month. You will be ahead in long run; you won't have to sue to get your money; and everything you want to be covered, is covered. If you are smart you will save up and pay more early on to build up the account to make up for a possibly early steep claim.

    Research this question: which is bigger, the difference in life expectancies of the insured versus the uninsured, or the difference in life expectancies of men and women ? Blacks and whites ? If you have a choice, will you live longer by loosing 20 pounds or by buying health insurance ? By moving to Alaska or buying health insurance ? By getting married and staying married or by buying health insurance ?

    In the final analysis, my decision was as much gut feeling as stats, though. I figure it like this: I'm from Texas nnd I wear No Fear t-shirts. Health insurance is for pussies, I'd rather have the money. Besides, when I finally get married and have kids, my wife will probably make me buy it and waste all other kinds of money trying to be socially acceptable and shit, so I better save now while I can.

  91. High deductable insurance by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    It's typically much easier to get, not as expensive, and often geared to the self employed. The reason is that you have to bear a whole lot of cost out of pocket, sometimes as high as $5,000 (per year). The reason they are available cheaply is because the deductable means that you aren't likely to waste money on unnecessary services. Low or no deductable insurance leads to many people going to the doctors every time their kids get the sniffles, when really it's nothing at all that requires meidcal attention, or getting perscriptions for drugs that aren't really medically necessary. Well when you bear those costs yourself, you are much less likely to do it.

    However, like normal insurance, once the deductable is paid, they handle it all. So if you are severly injured and rack up $50,000 in medical bills, you pay the deductable and the rest is handled. So you never have to worry about your bills going over the deductable in a single year, you are covered for that which you cannot afford yourself.

    So the way you make this work is by putting money away in an account to pay that deductable if you need it. There are even special Health Savings Accounts for that which are tax-free. So as long as you keep your account full, you are covered no matter what.

    It's actually quite a viable system, for those that don't blow all their money. You pay for small stuff, rather than your insurance, and they are there to pay for big stuff if there's the need.

    Just Google for high deductable insurance if you are interested. If you cannot manage money and blow your whole paycheck every month, it's not for you, but if you can save (and to run your own business you need to be able to) it can be a very cost effective alternative.

  92. Theory is good; reality has been horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After about twelve or thirteen years as a regular aka "perm" employee as a developer, I decided to try contracting because of unfulfilled promises and a multitude of disappointments, and because a serious girlfriend wanted to move a long distance (to Seattle) "right now." In general, it translated to : I destroyed my career.

    No matter where you go, you will find quite a few hard-working, good folks even in bad companies. I met quite a few, and, of course, I do not regret making their acquaintance. However...

    1. Agencies only care about money and the immediate placement; not about your career. If a client with deep pockets needs someone who can ZZZ, then anyone they can pound into that hole, they will pound into that hole, even if it means sabotaging your career. If you wait for better matches, they will label you as "not a team player" and "hard to get along with." And, then there's number 2.

    2. Placement in abusive work environments. I've encountered behavior so extreme that I was left utterly stunned. The companies were courting lawsuits everday they employed these "special" people who could get away with anything. Some of those people were even proud of their ability to drive away new contractors and employees! It's not supposed to happen in "professional" environments, but what I found was that management was in denial and would not acknowledge the problems, and contract agency managers would immediately respond in hostile and accusatory ways when informed of the problems (there was one exception to that out of the three cases I found extreme enough to seek help. After that I gave up trying.).

    3. And if you wait too long, well, that's another excuse.... Obviously, your brains leak out of your ears a little every day, so if you aren't working for someone, you're just getting dumber, right?

    4. If one of your motivations is to remove office politics from your life, well, it ain't gonna' happen. Most agencies just replace the regular management with their management, and quite bluntly, they are always worse. I was sucked into a placement as a sub that wasn't the original deal, and found myself working with two contractors from another agency with one of them being "my manager." Well, I have always, and will always, say that the client is my boss first and foremost. I was still working there after those other two were gone. hehe. And it is still often true that your status as a contractor translates into "sub-human."

    5. A long standard strategy of all employment agency types is to belittle the candidates in order to convince them to take any job that's is offered. It doesn't matter what you have achieved or where you have worked in the past. It's a headgame. Stay away from these people like they were plague carriers! They will destroy your morale, your motivation and your earned self-respect. I know I'm dealing with someone real when they acknowledge the good things on my resume. (BTW, this tactic is very common throughout the rust belt and the south. It has a long tradition. It could very well account for driving away many, many talented people to the coasts.)

    The alleged advantages are that you take the money and spend it on things that really are beneficial to you, rather than on what someone else thinks is good for you. I don't believe it's an even trade, but what the heck. You get some choice, anyway.

    And there are some good recruiters and account managers out there. As I look back, it seems that too often their good work and actions were overshadowed by bad business or their employers.

    I was so utterly disgusted with my experiences that I finally dropped out at the end of 2000, and only this year began to seriously look again. I expect to start work within a week. The recruiter for this agency told me I had strong resume. And I was returning to a place I had worked as a regular employee (All things considered, I consider them the best employer I had encountered, so I am pretty happy. I can't say there are many companies that I would choose to work for any longer. )

    Good luck.

  93. No Hours = No Pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently took a contract job. It seems to be common practice to get people under contract and then have them sit and wait until they can work. I have been told to wait a week two seperate times now. During these wait periods. I don't get any advanced notice to plan other work ahead of time, so I have to eat a week with no pay. Is there a solution for this? Can you get a weekly minimum? Also I'm getting killed on site to site drive time. I'm getting almost enough to cover my gas, but nothing to cover wear and tear on the car. Contracting stinks, its the ass end of outsourcing. I am speaking about technician jobs more than programming jobs. I'm doing monkey work for peanuts and I want bannas!

    1. Re:No Hours = No Pay by walterbyrd · · Score: 1


      I made the same mistakes.

      You need to more selective with the contracts that you accept. When you are out of work, it is normal to jump at anything, but it can turn out to be a bad idea. You are better off staying home and studying for a new cert to add to your resume.

      BTW: monkey can actually pay better than work where you use your human brain. I have made much more setting up POS terminals than configuring a router.

      If you go with the W2 companies, you may be able to collect unemployment between jobs.

  94. A recent experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I switched to contact hack about a year ago.

    Can't say how it will go - so far I have been able to fill the pipeline with prior contacts and projects, and a few new projects that come by.

    Good: I could take 3 month (planned) vacation this year.
    Bad: It's a lot of work to manage the pipeline. It's bit unnerving when the pipeline gets pretty short.

    Don't know how it will develop - may get back into being an employee, who knows. But you definitely learn a lot. I realized how insulated I was when working in a development outfit in a company as an employee. If you are practical/professional programmer/engineer (as opposed to researcher types), I think it's definitely worth it take the turn to see how it is.

    Good luck,

    Anonymous coward programmer

    PS: You may want to set up with a sales/rainmaker type of outfit eventually, unless you like doing the adminstrative/sales work.

    1. Re:A recent experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Btw, I saw another post on healthcare. THIS IS IMPORTANT. Yeah, if you're 20-somthing kid, you don't care, but if you have a family, THIS IS IMPORTANT. Give the guy/gal some info on this. I have bluecross of CA. I have no idea what's covered and how much. You thought software is complex, you aint' seen jack.

  95. Moving from a Permanent Position to Contract Work by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 0

    You're kidding, right? Contractors are treated like shit, never told what's going on, often not given any of the tools (or minor training) to do the work, often not paid on time, no benefits, and low pay. You're basically shunted to do clean-up after another contractor or permanent employee blew up the project, or stuck doing something basic and unexciting. You can forget about building any higher level experience too.

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  96. But....you have to live in....Canada, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to offset the whole point now, don't it?

  97. Health insurance rate for California : by tabbser · · Score: 1

    I'm a contractor (just switched about a month ago actually)
    Firstly, I really enjoy it (I'm a firmware guy) and so far I've spent massive amounts of time just getting my own gear to work in my home office.
    Dead boards, making damn cables, etc all eat into your time.

    Anyway, my health care is through ehealthinsurance something or other (google it)

    I got it online and it was approved within a couple of days.
    I'm a single fella, 37, non smoker, fairly active chap and a PPO with a $4k deductible and PPO dentist costs me $101 / month.
    Pretty good I think. I have no kids or anything like that though.

  98. I switched recently. by rgelb1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I switched last January from being employed at a bank to being a contractor at a primarily software development shop. The switch was kind of scary for me because I got a family which needs certainty and health insurance. So I got blue cross which isn't as good as what my employer used to provide but it does the trick.

    Things I love? No more idiotic bank rules to follow, which only seek to prevent me from actually doing any productive work. Being able to work in an agile environment. Being able to actually focus on software development versus idiotic worksplace politics. Not having to sit in meetings half my life coming up with specs that will never be followed.

    Things I don't like? You pay more taxes because you are self-employed and you have to deal with it (quarterly payments, etc...). That's my only complaint.

    1. Re:I switched recently. by EnglishSteve · · Score: 1

      "You pay more taxes"... more taxes? - I find I pay significantly less taxes since starting my own business, since so much more is tax deductible.

    2. Re:I switched recently. by rgelb1 · · Score: 1

      The self-employment tax? I agree, more is tax deductible, but I don't find that it offsets the self-employment tax.

  99. Do it Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to do it right.

    1. Create a legal entity. I prefer the LLC taxed as an S Corp. May not be so good in other states as ones like CA. nail LLCs. Simple management all the LLC tax benefits. I can pay a small salary (like $10,000 and take the next $90,000 as a distribution no FICA a $13,000 savings in this case.)

    C and S Corps are not required to receive 1099's unlike other entities. This saves you and your client a headache. Plus removes an audit source for the IRS. Not suggesting anyone be dishonest. But, the less documentation the IRS has to match the better.

    2. Get a trustworthy CPA to do at least your yearly returns.

    3. Get Quickbooks Basic if not PRo with the yearly subscription of Premium Do-it-yourself payroll. This give all the State and Federal Forms to fill out automatically for you. If you have a printer checks or Checksoft and laser all you need to do is sign and put a stamp on the envelope.

    Yes I know QB requires Windows. But, its either that hours of error prone hand work or pay your CPA to do it. Trust me on this QB is easier.

    I have read through most of these comments and many either have no clue or are more or less employees.

    Create the entity and do it right. Much less issue with FICA esp. with the S Corp status either as LLC or Corp under your state law. If you create a Corp instead of an LLC you must have yearly meetings even if it is one of you. You create a record on paper at least. I like the LLC since I don't need that. Find and set your rates. I don't tend to budge too much on this one unless someone offers a very stable contract. Even then maybe 15-20% max. The rate is the key to weeding out your bad clients. You know those who want everything for nothing. I tend to also avoid doing home users too much. It cheapens your image to look like an amateur. Do it only if you have to. I tend to suggest a consultant that likes home user work.

    I love it. Better pay. Generally more time or more flexible time. Need to take the dog to the vet no problem. I send an e-mail out to the site's employees that I will be off-site from a - b and call my cell if they need me.

  100. Use agencies instead of being self employed by serutan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been a contractor most of my 25 year career and I think it's the best way to go. You have no politics, fewer meetings, managers listen to you more than they listen to their own employees, and they don't waste your time as much. If you need something they tend to get it for you right away. There's also the variety, and for me the knowledge that I have a planned end date helps alleviate any frustrations and negatives there might be. I don't take jobs that I don't want, and I get free training by going after projects where I know most but not all of what's needed and can convince them that I'll be able to learn the rest quickly.

    The only downside I can think of is that sometimes I do get attached to a place and don't really want to leave. But usually I can think of a couple negatives that balance that out.

    To find jobs I use temp agencies such as Volt, and smaller ones that spring up all the time. I just send out my resume to the usual suspects when a project is winding down, and they find the jobs and arrange the interviews. All I have to do is show up. On average my projects last 6 months to a year and I have 3-4 weeks off between.

    Agencies hire you a a W2 employee, so they pay their half of social security. I work a little over 45 weeks a year. Taking health insurance cost into account, my situation is roughly equivalent to having a full time job at $70-75k/year with 5 weeks paid time off and benefits. Not bad for web/db dev, and with no downtrodden-masses feeling that can come with a permanent job. Best of all, no maintenance assignments or beeper-carrying. All my work is new dev.

    All in all it would take a mighty big carrot on a mighty big stick to lure me back to FTE.

    1. Re:Use agencies instead of being self employed by shadowxtc · · Score: 1

      FYI, you've got the whole "carrots and sticks" thing wrong -- the carrots are bait, and are not on sticks -- the sticks are used to beat victims into submission.

  101. Contracting by M4N14C · · Score: 0

    Moving from a regular employee to a hired gun was the best decision I ever made. If you dont suck you will have a reputation around you and that will keep your management paying what you want within reason.

    1. Re:Contracting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's times like this that I really wish I had some mod points handy. Exceptionally helpful post!

    2. Re:Contracting by JamesOfTheDesert · · Score: 1
      Plan on spending $600-700/month. Prescription coverage is especially hard to get. (When I started consulting, insurance was $600 PER YEAR!)

      That's nuts. I'm self-employed in Arizona, and pay ~$400.00 a quarter for single-person health insurance. Unless you have reason to expect frequent doctor visits and treatment, or need to cover dependants, you can do quite well with a high deductable and lower annual payments.

      NEVER SIGN A FIXED PRICE CONTRACT WITHOUT A DETAILED, COMPLETED SPECIFICATION

      Indeed. I learned the hard way that everyone as a different idea what "done", "complete", and "finished" mean. In the best of cases you and the client can amiably resolve differences, but you should always try to be a specific as you possibly can right up front. The goal should be to minimize surprises. The last thing anyone wants to hear is, "But when you said [...], I assumed you meant [...]."

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      Choose the red pill
    3. Re:Contracting by chriswaco · · Score: 1

      > That's nuts. I'm self-employed in Arizona, and pay ~$400.00 a quarter for
      > single-person health insurance.

      Yes, I was thinking married with family. And many medical policies these days don't include things you think should be covered, like visits to a doctor's office. Most kids spend their first two years seeing the doctor constantly and the costs definitely add up.

      On the plus side, if you incorporate you can deduct just about ALL medical expenses, even those not covered by insurance. That can cut the cost of medical care by 40-50% depending on your income tax bracket.

    4. Re:Contracting by JamesOfTheDesert · · Score: 1
      Yes, I was thinking married with family. And many medical policies these days don't include things you think should be covered, like visits to a doctor's office. Most kids spend their first two years seeing the doctor constantly and the costs definitely add up.

      I took a look at my recent medical needs, did some rough math on the raw costs of doctor visits, weighed that against various plans and deductibles, and pretty much went for the far end. A fair amount comes out fo pocket, but over all I'm good. And currently healthy.

      I would encourage anyone you has not yet acquired (or has since shucked) too many obligations to strike out on your own while the risks and costs are still low. You may find that it isn't your cup of tea, but the longer you wait the harder it gets, and you risk kicking yourself in the ass later on in life, always wondering, "What if ... ?"

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      Java is the blue pill
      Choose the red pill
  102. it's a money thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Contractors appear on the surface to make enough money to hit on hot co-workers.

  103. Contracting as a form of business management by heroine · · Score: 2, Informative

    Many programmers like contracting because it's a way to run a business without having to deal with people. They give themselves a company name, write off their apartments as work expenses, and speak to no-one for days at a time even though they occasionally need to win clients.

    Most of all the experience of running a company/contracting is fair game for getting into corporate management later on. Most of the managers in multi billion dollar corporations are former contractors who listed their contracting job as "president of X".

    Contracting does not produce more income than full time employment. Contractors devote a substantial amount of their income to higher social security tax, medicare tax, health insurance which companies provide their permanent employees. In fact, most contractors are paid less then "permanent" employees because they don't get annual bonuses or severance.

    The payoff is the corporate management promotion. The contractors of today may be broke, but in a few year's they'll be multi billion dollar corporation, homeowning, plasma TV watching, managers while the rest of us are still sleeping in shipping containers.

  104. Re:What $100.00/hour works out to with an agency.. by fingusernames · · Score: 1

    My own boss: I pay about $773/yr in workman's comp insurance. Another $338 for business liability. I pay another $567 for the year in unemployment insurance. Taxes == 2x medicare and social security.

    I pay myself a salary of about $45k a year. Everything else I pay out as corporate dividends. Those dividends are taxed at 5%, with NO payroll taxes: no medicare, no social security, no unemployment. My effective tax rate is quite a bit less than if I were a regular employee bringing home a paycheck with the same base salary+dividends I earn now.

    As for the contract house employee bringing home 50 - 30% of the client bill rate... that may be so for some. But when I've gone through a contract house, my take home percentage, as a W-2 in the past, was more like 60 - 65%. But now when I do that, and I don't like to, it is business-to-business, not W-2, and I take home about 75% or more of the client bill rate.

    Larry

  105. I Know! by soloport · · Score: 1

    I've actually had less autonomy.

    I know! I've compared the number of hours, over the years, as a FT employee vs a Contractor, and let me tell you, the time spent is far, far less as a Contractor than it is as a FT employee when it comes to time, on the job, reading /.

  106. It's Champagne & Cake or Beer & Beans.... by Newt-dog · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I started doing part-time gigs back in 1984 - keeping the full-time job. I went full time on my own back in 1996. There is a lot of ups and downs in income -- some months I have made up to $35,000, some months I have made only $2,500 bucks. It's a roller coaster.

    A few things to consider:
    Insurance -- that magical health benefit that most employers pay a big chunk of -- you get to find out how much things really cost. Oh, and that year I didn't have insurance, my 14 year-old daughter flipped her quad out on some sand dunes at a beach and had to get air-lifted out by helicopter. That 15 min trip cost me 20 grand to find out she just had a slight concussion. (12 grand for the airlift, the rest in hospital bills, ouch!)

    Free Time -- People think you have lots of it. Once I got a phone call in the middle of the day to change a flat tire on one of my wife's friends car. They might have said thanks, but geeze, they could have called AAA. Sometimes you do have time to do as you please. My family likes to take our motorhome camping at the beach and go surfing - great family memories. We also take two weeks off in the summer and rent a beach house. I also took a week off to go to my son's scout camp, BUT, if I'm not working, no cash is coming in, and no new jobs are getting lined up!

    Distractions -- Sometimes I can think of a million things to do, except work. Like go to CostCo with my wife in the middle of the day. Anything that is unproductive and not producing billable hours, nets zero dollars at the end of the day. Sometimes you make up for wasted days at night, and come crawling in at 3 am -- only to have to roll out of the sack at 7 or 8 am to get a fresh start. Yup, my light seems to always be on.

    Kids -- (see distractions above) You gotta love 'em. I'm home when they leave for school, and here when they get home. I proofread essays, make science projects, help with math worksheets, etc. I always have a few kids sneaking into my office area to hog my computers. It is kinda funny having techie kids though. My 17 year-old daughter was calling this kid a school a geek because he was bragging about his website. (free yahoo site) I asked her how many website's she had running on my servers. She thought a minute and sheepishly replied, "Three, I guess." It's also funny when your kids complain about how slow a download is taking, only to find out they are downloading a 600 meg demo game CD! My kids laugh a other kids slower DSL lines, and have never heard the crackle of a modem.

    Loans -- When banks hear you are self employed, they want crawl up your posterior with a microscope before you can get a loan. They want to see bank statements, cash flow and tax returns. Don't skimp on the taxes and take too many deductions, in two years you might need to show that you actually MADE some money. After a few years and things stabilize, it gets a little easier. Or maybe I'm just used to the financial rubber glove with no lube.

    You are your own boss -- That's right, nobody bossing you around, except the people you work and the guy signing the checks and every bossy secretary. Also, you are the janitor, the maid, bookkeeper, rain-maker, and pee-on. The buck starts and ends with you. If something goes wrong, it's your fault and you had better document each and every thing you do as if it's going to litigation. You will live or die on written memos and sign-offs.

    That's it in a nutshell. If you got the nerve, cash in the 401K and get ready for a roller coaster ride. Is it worth it? You bet. I am healthier, happier and have time for the things that matter most -- my wife and four kids.

    Newt-dog

  107. Recently started a contract job by salmonz · · Score: 1

    Recently I started a contract job through a consulting firm. This is quite new to me because it's not like a normal temp agency job. The pay is REALLY good, the contract 5-6 months, the full perm opportunity is great, and the people are very nice. For those who want to be a contractor, I highly recommend going through a consulting agency to hook you up with work. It takes 1/2 the burden off of you while you look for other opportunities. I am in Canada it's fairly easy to become a contractor here. 90 bucks and you're all setup. Right now, I make more than double than my old job. That's really impressive considering I'm in my 20's. Wednesday, I start my first contracting position, and I hope all goes well. One thing that soothes me the most is that the company has a 5 to 15 year employee rentention rate. Good luck to all those out there.

  108. Speaking as someone who has done both... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Working for myself was nice because I could select the projects that I wanted to work on and then 'become' that type of business. I didn't make a lot of money that way since it took longer to do things, with every project being a new adventure. But it was an excellent education and I got by. Obviously, I was lacking economy of scale that larger and more assembly line ventures enjoy.

    To run your own business, you have to be someone with the capacity to make sure people pay, be able to negotiate, deal with folks who don't compensate you, etc. You have to be able to have the courage to ask for fair wages. You have to deal with clients who change their specifications constantly and don't want to pay you more for it. I've taken to getting signoffs on the specs with the understanding that changing the specs later will result in extra cost.

    This does provide flexibility and more free time, though personally I've had trouble keeping a steady flow of work which has hurt my overall profitability.

    I tend to do a lot of long term contracts, and then pick up short term work in between jobs. It's a nice thing to be able to fall back on.

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  109. A few tips by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I've been independent since 1997. Here are my standard tips:

    • Have six months of expenses saved at all times, more if you can.
    • Network, network, network. Even if you hate it. Especially if you hate it.
    • Underpromise, overdeliver, and be as reliable as the day/night cycle. Repeat business and recommendations should be the bulk of your business.
    • Try not to quit your day job until you have so much after-hours work that you just can't do it all.
    • Get a good accountant, a good lawyer, and a good shell company (I use MyBizOffice).
    • Understand when you're consulting and when you're contracting. One delivers opinions; the other delivers labor.
    • Never do a fixed-bid job unless you know both the client and the work cold.
    • Some clients just aren't worth the hassle. Fire them before they make you crazy.
    • Enjoy the ride. Take vacations, enjoy your unexpected time off, and seek out jobs that you are exicited about.
  110. Not worth it anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was worth it back in the late 90's. Nowadays, there is rate compression on contractors due to our offshore friends. The pay is no longer so appealing. No, it is no longer worth contracting.

  111. the Federal, the State and the Local. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, I've looked through a good portion of these responses and I noticed one big absence. The services and other benefits, your local and state government (let alone the federal) provide to the self-employed.* Which can range from the adviseral to the financial. Some companies even have a mentoring program, or provide other assistance to those branching out.

    *I suggest casting a wide net. Some areas have been economically devastated and have all kinds of programs coming from all kinds of participants, even the educational system. Use them ALL, and don't be too proud to use them, or ask for help. If you're not, your competition is.

  112. Job security does not exist anymore: Outsourcing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As a contractor (that's self employed), there are other retirement options that let you stick away as much or more than an IRA - see your tax guy!"

    Just make certain he's not overseas.

  113. After a decade of contracting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been contrating in the UK since the late 1980s; the rules here are a bit different to those in the USA, but even here we still have .... grrr .... agencies.

    Some are excellent, and charge for it, some are deeply incompetent, and hide their faults behind marketing burble. In my experience, if you've not found an agency you trust, avoid agencies who won't talk straight and who won't discuss difficult subjects, and go with the agencies who only find you the occasional very good match; the latter suggests they've done their work on matching requirements to prospective contractor, and they only submit two or three contractors per vacancy. If they do a good job in one place, then maybe they do a better job in other parts of their organisation.

    Don't forget, throughout this, you have to prove yourself to the agency just as they have to prove themselves to you. They see your job as converting their effort to find the vacancy & get you the interview, into commission. Their job for you is to get you that interview, and, most importantly, to factor your fee; if the client doesn't pay, that's their problem, they'll already have paid you. That's why I continue to use agencies; I detest the bureaucracy of lies that is an accounts payable department in trouble.

    Clients are all kinds, ranging from people with an exact idea of what they want and what it'll take you to deliver it (heaven), to, in the worst case, people who've no idea at all what they want, no idea how to get there, but expect you to have it finished by the time you've drunk your first morning's cup of coffee. Most clients expect a contractor to get on with it, to define their own job as necessary. That's fine, that's freedom, that's responsibility. Make sure you communicate.

    Contractors will often get the technically boring jobs, the ones that no employee will do. Fine. This is the consequence of a company wasting money employing lots of people who don't know what they're doing to do the work in the first place. This means you've been bought in to sort the mess out. Fine. Sorting the mess out is expensive ... for them! Make sure they pay through the nose. Get the job done, move on. Some work sucks, some work is brilliant. That's life. Earn & learn.

    Clients can get stuffed by circumstances. If they're got a stock position, you'll be the first to suffer. Yup, the reason why contractors get thrown out is because the stock market likes to see companies save many by throwing out contractors. Smaller, and non-listed companies, don't suffer from this delusion; they generally see contractors as a skills resource to be hired or fired on that basis. I've been a contractor in a company where they slowly made everyone except me redundant so end the end it was only the owner and me working there. We turned it round, thanks to an American company, incidentally.

    If you've got managerial ambitions, do not become a contractor. If you want money in the long term, stay clear of quick money in the short term, keep being a good little employee, brown nose your way up the heirachy. If you detest petty pointless politics, like me, if you don't like keeping you nose brown, like me, if you like the engineering side of things, like me, then, once you've got the confidence, go contracting.

    Few clients or agencies understand that people have talents to do things that are not on their CV as having already earned money. This is understandable; it's their money, and they don't want to spend it on someone who hasn't already proven they can do the job. The consequence, though, is that you're going to be stuck in one field and there's little you can do about it. So when you first go contracting, chose your specialist area very very carefully. I chose something I enjoyed doing (Windows API C++ programming), not something that earns oodles of dosh. I'm happy to do something I love, but it pays crap relative to other technical areas.

  114. Advice - books by DavidNWelton · · Score: 1

    I have been doing consulting/contracting for nearly five years, and found this book to have some pretty good advice:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471176494/ dedasys-20/

    Anyone got some others to recommend?

  115. Be aggressive about getting paid! by seebs · · Score: 1

    I'm not doing contract programming, but rather, freelance writing. One of my largest clients uses a third party company ("Superior Design International") to pay the bills. Through a variety of excuses, just not responding to emails, and so on, they've managed to underpay by something like $70,000... Curiously, I've talked to the company I'm working for, and from their numbers, it looks like SDI isn't even stealing my money, they're just not bothering to do their job. (Which is to ask their employer for money, take the money, and disburse it.)

    FWIW, my lawyer sent them a very friendly letter, and by this time next week, I plan to start blogging about it, at length, if I haven't gotten paid.

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  116. Jackpot Possibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last fall I was hustling as per usual on pace for about a $75k year when one of my clients of 5 years or so called and offered me a $450,000 eight month contract. They were in a jam with a tight deadline and simply did not have the in-house resources to complete this huge project they'd taken on. I took it, hired two dozen sub contractors, most part time, with various specialties. Delivered the product in relatively good shape on time and only spent $230,000 of the bread leaving $220,000 for me. I coded the hard parts and spent the rest of the time project managing. It was great.

    If I'd been a FTE somewhere, even for that client, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to get that work.

  117. Re:I work for Google on a contract/ part time basi by nigelvthomas · · Score: 1

    Because, as IBM said it, services have higher margins...

  118. It has become againts the law by moosebreath · · Score: 1

    I did it for years, until the IRS passed a specific regulation against it. But only for programmers and engineers. Check section 1706 of the IRS code. Many companies follow this law and outsource to another country rather than hire a contractor. You would probably be better off doing it from another country. I just got out of programming after 20 years and went into a different profession.

  119. Re:Moving from a Permanent Position to Contract Wo by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    "I have to work something like 6% overtime or some such garbage before I get paid for it."

    You sir, are getting screwed. If you are a contractor, you cannot be in their "management" or on their IT staff. You are not an employee of theirs. Every hour you work should be billable.

    Given that, it is your call of course, as to whether you want to risk the position. Me? I bill all hours.

  120. Taxes by cafn8ed · · Score: 1

    If you're going to be working in the US, a hard-earned lesson for you is to set aside half of your gross income for taxes (including social security, etc.). I spent a year doing consulting work on the side, so my consulting income was only a part of my total income, and made the mistake of not saving enough. I had heard "save half" and didn't believe it, that seemed unrealistically high, so I put aside a third of every paycheck for tax season. Then the day of reckoning - I found out the warnings were correct, and I was quite a bit short on cash. I ended up paying out something in the high forties, percentage-wise, so if I'd saved half my gross I'd have had a little bit left over.

    I'd also recommend paying for a decent accountant, and to do so before you begin. Any competent accountant will be willing to run some hypothetical numbers for you and help you estimate what to withhold from your earnings.

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  121. Re:complaining about 20% tax?!?! (OT) by G4from128k · · Score: 1
    Woah, you're complaining about 20% tax?!?! on 50 grand??!! No wonder your education and healthcare systems are famous throughout the world...

    The real joke (on the U.S., that is) is that the U.S. actually spends more per student on education than high-tax places in Europe or high-education places like Japan. Yes, our education system is broken, but more tax money isn't going to fix it.

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  122. other benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am self employed for more then 3 years now and besides all the regular advantages and disadvantages posted here I have not seen the biggest advantage :

    When you get payed it is not you that is geeting payed but your company.

    This means that you can descide yourself how mutch your company pays you out. (know that you will pay personally taxes on this)

    Because of this , I managed to calculate what I need _personaly_ every month to live with some extra. All the rest stays inside my company and is seen as profit. Personal tax are arround 40% here while company tax are 25%. This means I save NET profit of about 15%. This might seem silly but is huge.

    You also can get a morage on a house via your company. So instead of having the burgain of beeing _personally_ responsible of the morgage your company is. And morgage rates for company's are totaly diff then for persons.

    In the end I manage to save per year almost 40% more for doing freelance work then I would do as an employee.

  123. It's just different wording on the contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been a contract scientist/programmer for 14 years and a one man shop for 10.

    Money: as noted you need to get 130-150% of salary to make up for benefits just to break even.

    Hours: you need to work w/ the rest of the team which means similar hours

    Job security: does not exist for regular or contract. Contracters have the option of negotiating part time work instead of no work which can be useful in a bad job market.

    Politics: you're not in competition for promotion which can help if people find you technically intimidating.

    My standard advice: wait until you're offered the "opportunity of continuing your career elsewhere". It'll come soon enough. Meanwhile prepare yourself financially, emotionally and intellectually. If you aren't willing to spend 4-8 hours a week after work studying something which is related to your job don't even consider contract work.

    Contract duration: mine have ranged from 18-24 months to 6+ years. When reviewing resumes of other contractors I consider a long string of 3 month contracts a major red flag. If you're really good they'll keep you around for the next project.

  124. and what about health, vision, dental? by SpectralDesign · · Score: 1

    Interesting numbers, but what are you paying annually for health insurance, dental, and vision? (And what vicinity do you live in?)

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  125. Contracting makes things explicit... by BillAtHRST · · Score: 1

    All the other posts make good points about health insurance, taxes, etc. The gist of these, I think, is that contracting is not an easy road to financial riches. To my mind, the biggest benefit to contracting is that you are always aware that you are the only person responsible for your own success, and so you can never let up. This is also true for employees, but I think it's easier to forget this if you have a "permanent" job.

  126. Fringe benefits by silphium · · Score: 1

    There was a statistically significantly difference in the number of times I got laid as an employee vs. as a contractor. However the longer I was a contractor at any given site, the more likely I was to get laid at employee rates.

  127. If you do it, hire an accountant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As told to me by several CPA friends: 1099s are THE single most audited group by the IRS. Uncle Sam watches those things VERY closely because there is so much that can go wrong (a schedule C is the tax equivlent of an anal probe)

    It's worth it to hire an accountant. You will need someone to advise you on how to handle all the potential tax writeoffs. If you aren't out there looking for every possible deduction, then you will get screwed at tax time. Also as mentioned above, there is IRS paperwork and other stuff. I found it was easier to just hire a CPA (not a bookkeeper!!) to do it and let me focus on doing the work.

  128. mybizoffice.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been contemplating the same move. I've worked for a consulting company for 5 years now so I've gotten the swing of things. Negotiating contracts, managing projects and selling myself(the company) to clients. Billing and contract management is an issue you need to look at carefully. I'm going to use mybizoffice.com where you become a W2 for them. They take 4% of your billing to cover their over head of handling your billing to the clients, paying your taxes etc etc. They also offer reasonable health insurance and a 401k. Not a bad deal if you're billing enough. If you form a small company they can handle payroll for you as well. I'd say if you've never done contract work before you may want to get your feet wet first by going through another company. try dice.com and start contracting there first through other companies then once you've gotten the hang of it and saved up some $$$ to get you through the slow times make the move to independant.

  129. So who's leaving, and would they let me know by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I'd appreciate if whoever's leaving a perfectly good, steady, well-paying job for the hopes of making oodles of money (and working 80-hr weeks) would let me know, since I haven't got either....

                mark, Unix/Linux developer, sysadmin, cfg mgr

  130. Contracting by chriswaco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been contracting for 18 years now. Boy am I getting old. :-)

    My 2 cents:

    1. The general rule of thumb is to charge 50-100% more than your salary was.

    2. Buying health insurance is going to be a major pain if you are in the US and can't be covered with your spouse's work plan. Plan on spending $600-700/month. Prescription coverage is especially hard to get. (When I started consulting, insurance was $600 PER YEAR!)

    3. Think about incorporating, probably as a LLC corporation. Buy Nolo's books on corporate structures and definitely talk to both a lawyer and accountant. Incorporating will help protect your assets if you ever get sued and can also give you more tax deductions.

    4. Tax deductions are your friend. Deduct everything your accountant says you can - car (if you travel to a client), health insurance, computers, your cable modem, books, education expenses, etc.

    5. You will have to pay both sides of social security taxes in the US. That means 15% of your first $80k in income is immediately gone. You may have to pay medicare, unemployment insurance, local taxes, etc.

    6. Unlike what someone else said, I prefer hourly to fixed price contracts. This allows for the client to make changes (they always do) and you get paid for debugging, installers, research, testing, localization, etc. NEVER SIGN A FIXED PRICE CONTRACT WITHOUT A DETAILED, COMPLETED SPECIFICATION. Always try and make a client responsible for testing the software when possible, for liability reasons, acceptability, and because it's very hard for an individual to test software on many different operating systems, hardware configurations, etc.

    7. Look for other clients. One client isn't enough. When money gets tight, contractors will be the first to go.

    8. Look for other contractors and possibly join forces. Networking is vital.

    9. Open a retirement account - definitely a Roth IRA and probably some other kind too (SEP IRA, SARSEP, etc). Your accountant can give you the details.

    10. Never sign a contract with someone you don't trust unless they have deep pockets and even then it's probably a bad idea.

    11. You are charging a lot of money. Make sure your skills stay ahead of everyone else's. When I started consulting C++ didn't even exist. I've been through new languages, new operating systems, new tools, embedded systems, server software, client software, etc. It's getting impossible to keep up with everything, so you need to predict the future and learn it ahead of time. You *will* make mistakes (I spent a year working on OpenDoc!), but hopefully you will also grab onto something new that will take off (I also spent time with early versions of QuickTime because I knew it was going to be big).

    Contracting can be great, but it's definitely not as easy as sitting back and collecting a paycheck.

  131. My biggest tip by matchboy · · Score: 1

    Why work for fourty hours a week for somebody else when you can work 70 for yourself.

    It's hard work... but it can be rewarding.

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    Robby Russell
    PLANET ARGON
    Robby on Rails
  132. What is Volt's overhead? by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    Say, hypothetically, that Volt pays you $50 an hour, but contracts you out to clients at $75 an hour. Then the Volt overhead would be either 33% or 50%, depending on your point of view.

    Anyway, when you use someone like Volt, do you know what their overhead is? I.e. do you know whether you're being ripped off, or whether the overhead is something reasonable [like 7%, or 10%]?

  133. Re:Moving from a Permanent Position to Contract Wo by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, he was also getting 2 weeks' vacation and sick time. Sounds more like a regular ol' employee to me, and assuming so, being offered overtime of any kind in a salaried position is rather unusual in a good way.

    It bugs me that there are so many of these "contract" positions that exist solely for the purpose of allowing the employer to save money by not paying the employment taxes and such that are legally due, while not adhering to the letter of the law in allowing the "contractor" the flexibility in hours and work location that they're entitled to.

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  134. Two non-programmer skills make all the difference by gregwbrooks · · Score: 1
    In my experience (and I'm not a programmer, but I am a solo consultant), the ability to thrive requires that you know how to price and manage work . Not simply *do* the work, but manage it and price it correctly as well.

    If you can do that, you can be a so-so programmer (or any service provider) and you'll still have plenty of inbound work.

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  135. jobshop's have the contract market cornered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also tried to do this when I became unemployed.
    The biggest problem I ran into was the jobshops (like VOLT) pretty much had the contract/consultant market cornered. They typically coax companies that they are the best of both worlds. They are not afraid to make use of the "at-will employment" status in Colorado (basically you can be fired for almost any reason whatsoever, so the jobshop will fire you after the contract expires or the company for who you are really working does not like you) and they get to treat you like an employee-- because you are an employee of the jobshop. They call Volt to say you will work such and such hours-- even do overtime, and Volt will tell you to obey.
    They also scare employer's with issues like workman's compensation requirements.

    Worst of all, they take a 20 to 30% cut! I giggled when they contacted me to really work for my old employer. They were like, "But you will be making almost the same." I was like, "Do you realize a I have a technical degree from one of the most prestigious schools in the country? Do you think I can not do the math to know that without health, profit sharing, 401K matching, I would really be making a lot less?"

    1. Re:jobshop's have the contract market cornered by FutureExpressionist · · Score: 1

      I've done both -- worked contract under job shops for a few years 2000-2003, then went freelance starting my own consultancy. Anonymous makes valid points. Job shops typically have a salesperson with some number of accounts into which they are frequently in contact (especially in Q4 when staffing decisions are being made). They also usually have 2 to 4 recruiters working the phones full time. Recruiters talk to potential contract employees whose resumes they've found while scouring job boards like monster and dice. If you read those job boards, most of the positions listed are contract via a job shop with considerably fewer listed by corporations. When talking to a job shop recruiter keep in mind that they spend all day everyday negotiating -- being direct will not hurt their feelings. Unlike regular employers who seek to build a long term staff and cultivate intellectual value through your employment, job-shops have no interest in you beyond placing you and collecting. Consequently, their tactics can be rather cuthroat. In my experience this is not an attempt at win-win negotiation, be forwarned. The job shops do their level best to recruit help for as little as they can negotiate. Keep in mind that they also have a maximum billable rate themselves and they to pay you and their own staff from the differential. Most recruiters and thier sales person are paid on commission which is paid to them only during the first 6-9 months of your employement afterward the jobshop takes the whole cookie. If you can find your own work you will do much better. Start close to home, call former employers and friends. Let them know you're working and available. You have a better chance of getting in, being that you're a known quantity, with former employers than elsewhere. Set your rate below what the jobshop would charge for you and underbid them. You have a leg up with former employers since you already know their processes. In addition, you are now responsible for keeping your client happy. Do your best work for that money - your attitude will separate you from the others. Network, Network, Network and Network with your friends in the field. Keep them aware of your capabilities. Above all, keep yourself squeaky clean with respect to taxes. Work hard for a few quarters and live within your means. Establish yourself and then you can adjust your rate slightly as demand permits. Network network Network - talk to people!! Your best advertising is a satisfied customer. The converse will be true as well. Best regards, Future Expressionist

  136. Why wait? by lorcha · · Score: 1
    Can't he just go down to Washington to get it done? If he got up a little early, he could drive down into Washington, sit for an MRI, and be home in time for lunch. He'd only lose half a day of work.

    I thought this type of thing was pretty common. I grew up in Minnesota and we had Canadians come down for heart surgery all the time. I guess given the choice between swallowing your pride by sidestepping the Canadian health care system and "death by waiting list"... well... yeah, let's just say Minnesota hospitals have saved a lot of Canadians' lives. It's a fair trade. We like to buy our prescription drugs from Canada.

    Anyhow, I wish your friend the best of luck. Back problems can be totally debilitating.

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  137. Benefits by lorcha · · Score: 1

    One of the benefits of marriage is a wife with benefits.

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  138. that's cool and all.. by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    The money you are making does seem pretty good. Only one problem, it will never go up. Why? Because your hiring process works like this:

    Target Company: I need to rent a pair of hands.
    Contract Company: I've got these hands, they can do the job for $100/hour. Then I've got this other pair of hands, they want $120/hour.
    Target Company: Um, I'll take the cheap hands, thanks.

    It's not that you aren't worth it, it's that your contracting company's job is to offer a stable of people who do an "efficient" job for the target companies. And that means they'll always be stocking people at at entry price, and some will do as well in interviews as you.

    So, your career development is somewhat limited. That's a downside next to your full-time coworkers.

    All the people I know who have made a lot of money contracting have gone it alone at some point. Then your contract house isn't working against your career advancement.

    I'd really recommend specializing/making a name for yourself, and then going it alone at some point. Then you can more easily raise your prices, since companies are hiring you, not your contract house.

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  139. Difficult to get paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my (forced) stint at consulting, I have found it very difficult to get paid. Bad clients are easy to find, apparently. I currently have about $20,000 dollars owed to me, all of which is more than a year past due. I only expect to ever recover about $10,000 of it, and even that will take a long time.

    I hope you can imagine how much this sucks.

    Consider getting money up front on every engagement. Consider using escrow. Investigate your clients to be _certain_ they will pay in a timely manner. (Even after ascertaining that one client owned a chunk of beachfront property in a desireable location, he still never paid me a single dime.).

    Good luck, you'll need it.

    (Oh, and by the way, I do good work. None of this has been because any of the work was called into question. There were no disputes around what was delivered.)

  140. My story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not like I *wanted* to contract -- the bubble made me. But now I'm happy with it -- making double I was before. Because the type of software I write is inherently of the one-off nature, being an employee was short-changing me, anyway, as after 8 months I'd be sitting there with nothing to do, waiting to be "laid off".
    One drawback is that you can basically never go on vacation. While you are in contract it's *way* too expensive (because you lose income), and while you're not you try and save every penny you can until your next contract.
    The other major drawback is that I have moved across CA 4 times in the past few years. I have so far been unable to settle down, as work was too scarce to not take any that came along.
    I have so far only been paid hourly, and always through an agency. They take *way* too much out of your paycheck, and yet you have to be somewhere for a long time just to find out how much that is.
    I don't buy the argument that employees have more job security. In this day and age it is your skills thatgive you job security, not your job status. The US favors the employer *way* too much. Some don't even feel the need to offer you severance, and if they do, 2 weeks is all you can expect. In fact, 2 weeks is so standard now that in my last layoff they gave it to me without even asking me to sign that I wouldn't sue them. That's how little employers feel obligated to give you anything.
    Most companies don't really treat contractors any differently than they do employees, but some do -- mostly to be able to justify that you are a contractor so that they don't have to pay your 1/2 of FICA. So I'm not allowed to get a T-Shirt when all the employees do, and I have to beg for weekend access, etc. However, I'd rather give up on a T-Shirt and make more than the others any day of the week.
    As mentioned, I think the biggest draback to contracting is that you can never really settle in to your life...you have to make new friends every time anew, and, more importantly, you have to prove yourself from scratch to get respect, which is a pain.
    Despite my higher income, however, I still have $20K in CC debt from the last time I lost my job...but I wouldn't have kept it as an employee, either.

  141. better to not delay taxes? by mkcmkc · · Score: 1
    And 401k is absolutely overrated. You save by evading tax now. But if you didn't evade tax and withdraw the amount, tons of financial companies have better ways to make greater gains with your money.

    Perhaps more importantly, the merits of postponing taxes depend a lot on what you think rates will be like in the future. Bush has both cut tax rates down to an unsustainably low level and built up a huge debt overhang. (He's borrowed about $100k in each of our names, and it's been blown, not invested. Guess who gets to pay it back!) Since we know that we need a government, the debt will have to be brought back into line sooner or later. So, tax rates may well be quite high in the future (unless you're one of the oligarchs). Given that, maybe you should pay your taxes now, while rates are low, rather than delaying them until retirement, when they may be sky-high.

    Mike

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  142. It's only beneficial when... by briancnorton · · Score: 1

    You can make a lot more money, but only if you have the business sense to do it. Get a lawyer and make sure that you own your code so you can sell it multiple times. That's how independant contractors make the big bank.

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  143. Angry Coder by fbg111 · · Score: 1

    Here's another good series of articles on going independent:
    http://angrycoder.com/article.aspx?cid=6&y=2003&m= 12&d=10

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  144. Cool. by abulafia · · Score: 1

    Rate me down, motherfuckers. That keeps me in contracts. I think it is funny.

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  145. ORK! ORK! by aqk · · Score: 1
    My apologooglies for the usual overused comment-

    I sure do miss them cow-orkers!

  146. moving to contracts by richardlvance · · Score: 1

    The only thing "better" about contracting is dropping the facade
    of job security. The golden handcuffs are gone and both sides
    know that it only takes a minute to close up your laptop and
    fill your carry out box. Two weeks notice not required, though
    with a good rlationship a contractor wil have more notice than that.
    One talks to the customer about contract money frequently. You will
    know where you stand.

    The downside is all the self employment paperwork hassle from the
    government who is "here to help you." Between Fed/State/Unemployment/licenses
    you will be driven to distracion.

    As to working hours there is the odd job where you can be free. But
    it is a working day world and the customer expects you to be there
    when he is there. No, you don't have to live with the employee manual
    but if you are not there when the customer needs you, you may not
    be there very long. Very few projects are "team of one."

    I've had two nice gigs. One was telework with a customer in another state.
    The other was pulling the graveyard shift in a lab of tech company.
    The military computer box being developed was too expensive to make
    more. For development work the prototype was put to work 24/7 and
    the contractor got it all to himself till the sun did rise.

    Another perk is to be able to work for different companies
    at the same time. It gives you new views and opportunities.

    Be sure to fill your retirement accounts as that is all you can count on.
    You ain't getting any younger.

    OldEngineer

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  147. Permanent Position by rlp · · Score: 1

    I remember the following conversation over twenty years ago between a friend of mine from Bell Labs and an older neighbor in the aerospace industry.

    Aerospace Neighbor (AN): So, do you work at Bell Labs too?
    Bell Labs Friend (LF): Yes, but I'm not a permanent employee, I'm just a temp.
    Aerospace Neighbor: Actually we're all just temps, some of us simply refuse to acknowledge it.

    For many years, I didn't realize how true that was.

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  148. Fixed bid contracts by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Fixed bid contracts *do* work well when the work is very specifically defined, but I find that the customer that understands what they want that well is pretty rare.

    I'd prefer fixed bid contracts myself but as you say you need to have it clearly stated in the contract the who, what, and when. The deliverable has to be specific and you can't allow mission or scope creep.

    Falcon
  149. RESUME - HOW TO LIST "ALL" ON ONE PAGE??? by sugaray · · Score: 1

    I was a contractor also but really found it hard to list every assignment on my resume for i would have jobs to list doing short-term jobs. I have a permanent gig now and it's good to have insurance for medical benefits and good to have life insurance to take care of the burial. (For those who don't have a prepaid plan.) For those people was contract on a regular basis, can you tell how to list the multiple jobs on your resume without it becoming a short novel?

  150. I looked into this... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    Here is what I found so far:

    Information on this amendment (scroll down about 2/3's of the way)

    Anyhow - it seems that the parent poster is right, to a degree. It isn't "illegal" per-se, but rather it is cheaper for a company to outsource than to hire a contractor in a "technical" profession...

    Basically, Section 1706 amends Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978. Section 530 allowed employers to treat contractors as non-employees without incurring a tax liability. Section 1706 amends this by saying that this section "shall not apply to firms engaging the services of such person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work". So now, according to IRS code, if a company hires you as a contracted programmer, the employer incurs a tax liability. Thus, it becomes cheaper to outsource (no tax liabilities under this section), than to hire a contractor.

    Note that this doesn't make contracting illegal, it just makes it more financially difficult for the employer. If the employer thinks he will get a better deal from the contractor than from outsourcing (or another method), and is willing to pay the taxes, he can still hire you as a contractor. Even so, I find this code amendment to be a funny thing, and I tend to wonder what/who got it to pass - ie, WHO SCREWED US?

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  151. hours, hours, hours by daniel_ortmann · · Score: 1

    As a regular employee I have worked up to 21 hour days and 105+ hours per week. I have had my badge access removed by my manager in order to get me to rest over a holiday. Of course, I was gungho and did it to myself. Contracting definately keeps my hours in line because overtime must be approved. :-)

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  152. Very good post. I'm going through this too. by MikeDawg · · Score: 1

    I'm brand new to the world of contract IT work (I previously lived in smaller cities). I recently moved near Detroit, and I was amazed to see the amount of contract IT work that is being done. I'm always extremely nervous when it comes to contract work, and I've only done about 3 months worth on a temporary basis. Then again, I'm quite unhappy with my current permanent job, but I'm still too scared to go hire on with a contract agency, I just don't feel it is as steady as a permanent job.

    What I want to know is what is everybody's secret in keeping that steady income? Do you generally work and contract yourself out, or do you go through a contract-house? I'm extremely nervous about working for 6 months, only to have to do more searching for contract work in that 6 months, then I worry about not being able to find something that pays as well. How do you guys deal with the irregular pay?

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  153. Barefoot, Kitchen, Overtime? by Vagary · · Score: 1
    ...I was really starting to freak out as my, then, girlfriend (now wife) had just moved in. Money coming in was VERY important.
    Isn't getting a roommate supposed to make money coming in less important?
  154. If you're a game programmer... by idries · · Score: 1

    Then you can go freelance, get paid more and work *less* hours :)