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Windows Vista Leaks ... Again!
10101001011 writes "The latest build of Windows Vista (5231) has been leaked to the public, again. This latest build includes some major revamping of Windows Media Player, including a smart interface. Also, IE 7 now sports tabs a la Firefox, under the address bar. Are these leaks accidental, or is Microsoft actually trying to pull a 360?"
I find it interesting that it is "leaked" the same day as Ubuntu "Breezy Badger" 5.10. Is MS trying to subvert its toughest FOSS competitor?
Any idea which of the several versions leaked?
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
That looks like a hollywood starlet out to gain some cheap publicity by leaking news of her latest breast enhancement
Just check this story http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEklAEVplZ YuqLANUS.php
Publicity is the soul of the game
Yes you heard it here first folks. Continuing the proud tradition of security first we at Microsoft have implimented new Sieve Security Technology (tm) throughout our systems. Now, as well as producing the most bug ridden insecure operating system around, we can't even keep hold of the software before it is written.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
I know that this has been discussed on /. before, but after reading http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_edit ions.asp, I am honestly thinking that I will be using Linux full time once I get tired of XP
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Does that mean it's full of holes?
*rimshot*
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Perhaps they will rely upon their usual method of security ..... "damn, it just crashed my machine."
Why is it that Vista is all about the user interface? Transperencey and tabbed browsing is just a part of the GUI and could be included in XP just like that. I want to know about the OS. There is one slightly amusing thing in the screenshots though. He's chatting with someone named Ryan|Topside Porn
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Maybe they should have blurred out the MSIE product ID... you know, if they don't want to get caught.
After all, I am strangely colored.
Microsoft does an amazing job marketing and promoting their products. With "leaks" like this, they get people to download and look at their software who wouldn't normally do so if it were an "authorized" release/preview.
Not to mention the fact that with leaks like this, they keep the Vista name in the news...no matter if it's politics or selling products, name recognition is one of the most important things you can shoot for.
Turns out it's just screenshots of some guy's desktop with a fancy wallpaper.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
What good is a leak. If nobody wants it?
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- http://www.neowin.net/staff/cashman/vist5321_2.jp
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it appears that Internet Explorer has shed itself of a menubar! Any news on this?the leak is pointless for ms to have done, because there is a new build ctp beta 2 that is getting released next week. Anyone who installs it will just have to do the upgrade again next week, well that assuming you are part of the beta program or an msdn sub. Both of which i am.
Oh come on, this is hardy new news! :)
We'ev known for ages that IE7 will have tabs and its more ala Opera then ala Firefox given that Opera had them before any Mozilla browser did
Please can we get some decent news today, its a very slow day.
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Did no one on Slashdot go to this year's PDC?! Oh, wait...I guess that's a dumb question...Anyway, they gave out copies of Vista build 5219 to everyone who attended, and it already had tabbed browsing in IE7. Why are people making such a big deal about this now?
Why is so much space devoted to areas that don't require it? The title bars are too large and the task bar is way too large. I've always been fond of those themes that reduce the task bar, window controls, and title bar down to a more reasonable size. I've been mouse clicking for 17,18 years now. I can precisely click on an icon that is 24x24. They need to reduce the overall size of these controls because they aren't used nearly as much as the content. Right now, having a title bar, menu bar, button bar, tabs for tabbed browsing, and a status bar makes each window so much smaller than it should be. It's the content of the window that is important (even the desktop "window"), not the controls for it.
Having said that, I do like the transparent window title bars. Kinda nice. Different like OS X was different.
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Look at the new thing I am going to do. It is already happening. Don't you see it?
Hopefully, it'll support Ogg Vorbis.
Hopefully, some OSS developers will bring life back into CDex.
Hopefully, it won't report that I'm infringing on Paris Hilton's copywrite.
Hopefully, if you want a vision of the future, you'll imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
More importantly, does the keygen come with cool music?
Windows Media Player, including a smart interface.
What does it mean when MS creates a "smart" interface?
In a company that big nothing happens by mistake or as an accident.
Everything is to be planned and carefully prepared (maybe also bugs!) accordingly to precise roadmaps.
For example, they need to show Vista is not vapourware, while not really being able (or willing) to release a beta or a RC. So the leak!
It seems strange this can be true, but otherwise such a "distract and lazy" company should have sinked long time ago!
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
The transparency effect against a black background .. makes the text hard to read (look at the IE window title in this one (note in some of the screenshots they intentionally blurred text, but not in the IE window in this shot):
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Ok. I gotta say it, unless it really was done already, the thumnail view for browser tabs is pretty neat. Tough to call it innovative since it's not a new concept or anything. In fact it's probably no different than OS-X's Exposé feature, just put into the browser. But it's new and it's something that might be useful.
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This latest build includes some major revamping of Windows Media Player, including a smart interface.
This smart interface seems, from the images, to be a simplification and cruft-removal exercise. A good idea, I feel.
Also, notice the place where the Avatar should be in MSN:
To see this dynamic display picture, you need the latest version of Macromedia flash player
*shudder*
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The better question is what mod thought that this flamebait would actually be "Interesting" to discuss for the 2342343th time. Crixus, if you haven't seen this topic enough to make you sick, then you must have taken a 2-year leave of absence from slashdot (which doesn't sound like a bad idea).
News at 11: Opera had tabs before firefox. But first, we'll go to breaking news indicating vi is much better than emacs.
The first released browser with tabs was InternetWorks. Opera had a technical preview the same year, but didn't have a release version for anouther couple of years.
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The original seems to be very slow now.
The people who install the leaked version are software pirates. Pirates don't typically make software companies a lot of money. By leaking a product people want to people who never would have made you money in the first place, you get people talking about it. Seems like a great strategy for MS or any other software company for that matter.
What good is a leak. If nobody wants it?
This is a gross misconception and an attitude that is causing OSS to fall further and further behind commercial offerings from Apple and Microsoft. The fact is that millions or people want it! There are countless fan sites like Flexbeta, BetaNews, NeoWin, WinSupersite, PCWorld, ZDNet, and thousands more that are all breathless with anticipation of Vista. They and theirmillions of readers eagerly await Vista's release and the countless "innovations" that it will bring.
Meanwhile, back in the OSS camp, people are saying insightful stuff like Gaim is more than adequate and RTFM. Microsoft IE sucks, yet it is still the dominant browser and I guarantee that at least 50% of today's Firefox users will switch back to IE upon the release of Vista. That is very telling but, people don't seem to be interested in the message.
People, like you, need to get a better attitude. They need to look at what Microsoft is doing and meet or exceed its capabilities. It is not enough to rest on your laurels while being pretencious and self important. Microsoft is charging ahead and is positioning itself to unleash ten years of its concentrated effort, en mass. Right now, OSS is rapidly slipping behind while people pound their chests saying; "but, we're more secure!". This is not enough to prevent you from being marginalized into obscurity by Microsoft, as if OSS wasn't obscure enough already.
How many of your relatives know what Linux is? How many of them know what Windows is?
The complaint is that a word that originally meant "with hope" is instead being used as a substitute for "I hope".
There becomes a confusion when I write:
"Hopefully, he left on Tuesday"
Do I mean that I hope he left on Tuesday, or that he had hope when he left on Tuesday? It should mean the latter but in common use it's starting to instead mean the former.
I wouldn't worry about it too much as languages have always been fluid and the relatively new usage isn't entirely unintuitive except in very rare circumstances like the one I outline above.
Hopefully, you understand what I mean.
erroneous: look me up in a dictionary
Seriously. I'm so damn tired of developers adding features to software. If I wanted my computer to do things for me... wait, I forgot my point.
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um...we've known about the tabbed browsing in IE7 for several months. If I remember correctly, there was a slashdot article pointing to a review of IE7.
On top of that, there are always insane amount of Windows betas floating around before a final release. My cousin subscribes to MSDN and has a box of CD/DVD spindles in his garage of Windows 2000 betas back when that was coming out. This really is now surprise.
Now if the leaked beta came with viruses straight on the iso, that would be newsworthy.
If the leaks aren't accidental, then why is one of the MSN messenger users displayed in the screenshots as "Ryan | Topside Porn..."
Is M$ getting into the porn business as well? Maybe a Windows Vista Porn Edition is in the works, and Ryan is on the dev team? It could have features like the 'boss button,' racy desktop themes, and it could arrive in your mailbox in a non-descript paper bag....
On the neowin.net message board, Raum says:I jsut thought I should mention this.the guy in the IM on some of the shots who's name is topside pornstar or whatnot.That's a grind in rollerblading. Just some trivia.
I think my explanation is more realistic - everybody knows that only Google developers get to rollerblade.
There becomes a confusion when I write:
"Hopefully, he left on Tuesday"
That sentence is not ambiguous.
Do I mean that I hope he left on Tuesday, or that he had hope when he left on Tuesday?
The former. It would not be natural English to use it in the latter sense.
It should mean the latter but in common use it's starting to instead mean the former.
"It's starting" is a rather funny way of describing a usage that has been standard for about a century, and "in common use" is a bit strange given that the form has been predominant even in formal, literary, and technical English for at least 40 years.
And I'm surprised to see you say that a word "should" mean something, when you go on to acknowledge, quite correctly, that language is a fluid thing. It's safe to assume you don't believe treacle "should" mean an antidote to snake venom, so why do you believe hopefully "should" mean "the subject acts with hope" rather than "I speak with hope"?
(I like the subtle split infinitive, incidentally. Nice way to emphasise the fact that most "rules" are arbitrary stylistic decisions, rather than being founded in usage or convenience.)
Especially because this has been Apple's week -- best year on record, 220 percent more iPods sold, about 50 percent more Macs sold, quadrupled quarterly profit, then yesterday a new iMac with built-in video camera and remote control, the big iPod with video features standard, a deal with Disney on selling Housewives. Microsoft had to do something to try to grab some mindshare so people don't forget they are still around.
Microsoft even has a link called Get the Beta right on its website. By calling this a "leak" you're trying to knock Microsoft in some strange way.
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"180, you stupid, spaghetti-slurping cretin - 180! If I did a 360, I'd go completely around and end up back where I started!"
You must think in Russian.
My biggest critisim of WMP 10 was the way the internet retrieved information about the currently playing song was removed and replaced with song-selling websites which don't provide nearly as much info (i.e. no bio's, lyrics etc.) and only seem to be interested in selling other songs (or even the song you are already listening to, why you would want to repay for something you have probably already brought is beyond me).
Funny - did anyone notice that Windows Media Player 10 has verson number 11?
The only thing that interests me is if native OpenGL will be supported in composite (eyecandy) mode instead of through a wrapper (see opengl.org for details about this). If not it will be a serious blow to portable applications that use 3D acceleration.
Ummmm, I read through that link provided. Starter edition is going to be software controlled at being able to use only 256 megabytes of ram? Are you kidding me? It's meant for first time PC users. I can't imagine even getting an OEM first time PC with less than 512 megabytes of ram.
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On Screenshot 1 the song being played on WMP is listed as Teenage Wasteland by The Who. The song, of course, is actually called "Baba O'Riley" So, perhaps in addtion to leaking the screenshots, Chris123NT (if that is his real name) is also an evil P2P file sharer?
In one of the screenshots it clearly shows that the guy only has 2 gigs of RAM. Isn't Vista supposed to require 2TB of Carbon-Nanotube RAM and a Quantum processor?
Clearly these are fakes.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
I have a full legal msdn copy of longhorn beta 1 and let me tell you first hand. it sucks. I have two gigs of ram...and its slow. it lags continously and only is efficeent half the time. when the Vista beta comes out i'll let ya know if its any faster. for now...i'm dissappointed.
I don't think that IE7 would be free for me.
I suspect that it would cost at least a couple hundred dollars.
As far as I can tell, I would have to upgrade the OS, then upgrade the hardware to support the new OS.
Exam 4/C again. Maybe I'll do better this time.
Ok a build leaked, so what? it's not like it's the first build to be leaked... some release groups live only on that... there was like 50 builds of whislter (xp) that leaked.. does that mean xp sucks? no. of course all the *nix lover will bash me but wtv... xp is good... at least it's the best x86 desktop os for general cosomation... no liux distro is as mature as xp and probably will never be has money is what makes the wold turn... anyways stop bashing M$ and windows theres no link between the article subject and your bashing. p.s. I use gentoo on my dektop so don't claim I'm sold M$
I'm not naive enough to demand that either Windows or KDGnome implement revolutionary improvements in desktop paradigm - that stuff really seems to happen by accretion, especially since we seem to be on a plateau for the desktop interface. But I do wonder why we need a new OS for this - especially at $200 a pop. Vista really seems like a service release of XP with its core libraries rewritten for extensibility and stability. Good thing to do, but not a boxed release. Why should I pay for a more performant graphic engine that does nothing new for me? Or a redone version of PDF? A truly integrated file system-database-document-management system probably would have been worth $200 a pop, but in its current incarnation as MS Google Desktop, I'll stick to the download version, thank you.
It's not like there's a lack of interesting things to do, either:
If you read those articles about Ballmer "realizing" that MS needs more frequent releases of their OS, it's because they've accepted that companies are not going to upgrade Windows or Office on their present machines, but they will migrate over 3-5 years no matter what - new machines will ship with Vista licenses rather than XP, and eventually it will be easier to just replace the old machines with Vista machines than deal with the "legacy" OS. MS will have a tasty revenue stream from Vista no matter what, because it will still ship with every new machine sold. Enviable business position.
I hope companies and OEMs will realize that if they pressure MS with the threat of breaking ranks for KDGnomeJavaFireLinux, they can repurpose their "OEM" XP licenses to new machines, and get Vista for free or very little. There's got to be a limit to the number of times people can be sold the same product.
I know I sound like every other M$ $uxor
I just wish they'd do something about the memory management. Windows seems to swap to disk all the time just for the heck of it. The real problem is when you start using excessive amounts of memory (more than physical memory at least), and even after deallocating it, the entire system goes on a swapping rampage, and everything becomes annoyingly slow until you restart the machine. I thought the MM in Linux at least is a lot better. It actually uses physical memory for something useful and only swaps when it absolutely needs to. I wish Windows did that.
You've actually seen Linux use it's swap file? I have Gentoo installed (KDE) and no matter what I do I can't for the life of me get Linux to use any of the swap file. Sometimes I wonder why I even created one. (I have 512 MB of memory BTW.) XP on the other hand seems contempt to thrash the hell out of its swap whenever I so much as launch a reasonably heavy application (or several lighter ones).