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Windows Vista Leaks ... Again!
10101001011 writes "The latest build of Windows Vista (5231) has been leaked to the public, again. This latest build includes some major revamping of Windows Media Player, including a smart interface. Also, IE 7 now sports tabs a la Firefox, under the address bar. Are these leaks accidental, or is Microsoft actually trying to pull a 360?"
I find it interesting that it is "leaked" the same day as Ubuntu "Breezy Badger" 5.10. Is MS trying to subvert its toughest FOSS competitor?
Any idea which of the several versions leaked?
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
That looks like a hollywood starlet out to gain some cheap publicity by leaking news of her latest breast enhancement
Just check this story http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEklAEVplZ YuqLANUS.php
Publicity is the soul of the game
Yes you heard it here first folks. Continuing the proud tradition of security first we at Microsoft have implimented new Sieve Security Technology (tm) throughout our systems. Now, as well as producing the most bug ridden insecure operating system around, we can't even keep hold of the software before it is written.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
I know that this has been discussed on /. before, but after reading http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_edit ions.asp, I am honestly thinking that I will be using Linux full time once I get tired of XP
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Ooops, I did it again. Steve Balmer.
Does that mean it's full of holes?
*rimshot*
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Perhaps they will rely upon their usual method of security ..... "damn, it just crashed my machine."
Why is it that Vista is all about the user interface? Transperencey and tabbed browsing is just a part of the GUI and could be included in XP just like that. I want to know about the OS. There is one slightly amusing thing in the screenshots though. He's chatting with someone named Ryan|Topside Porn
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Maybe they should have blurred out the MSIE product ID... you know, if they don't want to get caught.
After all, I am strangely colored.
Who actually started this tabbed bowsing thing? I thought Opera had tabs before Firefox?
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Microsoft does an amazing job marketing and promoting their products. With "leaks" like this, they get people to download and look at their software who wouldn't normally do so if it were an "authorized" release/preview.
Not to mention the fact that with leaks like this, they keep the Vista name in the news...no matter if it's politics or selling products, name recognition is one of the most important things you can shoot for.
Turns out it's just screenshots of some guy's desktop with a fancy wallpaper.
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What good is a leak. If nobody wants it?
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it appears that Internet Explorer has shed itself of a menubar! Any news on this?Microsoft needs to get more people interested in Vista, so they have a continual stream of leaks to keep everyone talking about Vista.
the leak is pointless for ms to have done, because there is a new build ctp beta 2 that is getting released next week. Anyone who installs it will just have to do the upgrade again next week, well that assuming you are part of the beta program or an msdn sub. Both of which i am.
Oh come on, this is hardy new news! :)
We'ev known for ages that IE7 will have tabs and its more ala Opera then ala Firefox given that Opera had them before any Mozilla browser did
Please can we get some decent news today, its a very slow day.
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Did no one on Slashdot go to this year's PDC?! Oh, wait...I guess that's a dumb question...Anyway, they gave out copies of Vista build 5219 to everyone who attended, and it already had tabbed browsing in IE7. Why are people making such a big deal about this now?
would download a few gigs of leaked, leaky code and instal it on their systems just for the heck of it? Is there anything exciting (from the end user's point of view - NOT the MS marketing point of view) in Vista? All the exciting features have been deferred or declared missing in Vista.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
Why is so much space devoted to areas that don't require it? The title bars are too large and the task bar is way too large. I've always been fond of those themes that reduce the task bar, window controls, and title bar down to a more reasonable size. I've been mouse clicking for 17,18 years now. I can precisely click on an icon that is 24x24. They need to reduce the overall size of these controls because they aren't used nearly as much as the content. Right now, having a title bar, menu bar, button bar, tabs for tabbed browsing, and a status bar makes each window so much smaller than it should be. It's the content of the window that is important (even the desktop "window"), not the controls for it.
Having said that, I do like the transparent window title bars. Kinda nice. Different like OS X was different.
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Hopefully, it'll support Ogg Vorbis.
Hopefully, some OSS developers will bring life back into CDex.
Hopefully, it won't report that I'm infringing on Paris Hilton's copywrite.
Hopefully, if you want a vision of the future, you'll imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
More importantly, does the keygen come with cool music?
Windows Media Player, including a smart interface.
What does it mean when MS creates a "smart" interface?
In a company that big nothing happens by mistake or as an accident.
Everything is to be planned and carefully prepared (maybe also bugs!) accordingly to precise roadmaps.
For example, they need to show Vista is not vapourware, while not really being able (or willing) to release a beta or a RC. So the leak!
It seems strange this can be true, but otherwise such a "distract and lazy" company should have sinked long time ago!
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
The transparency effect against a black background .. makes the text hard to read (look at the IE window title in this one (note in some of the screenshots they intentionally blurred text, but not in the IE window in this shot):
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New icons, transparency pervasive throughout the OS (task bar, window borders, icons). What's the value of transparency, anyway? What does it give you? It seems like probably one of the first things I'd turn off. Looks cool, but ultimately makes the OS less useful as it drops the contrast between a foreground object and the objects behind it. All the most highly touted features of Vista were retracted anyway, so why is there any excitement over this at all? All you get with Vista is more DRM.
Oh, and in the one screenshot showing the new Windows Media Player, there's no song by the Who called "Teenage Wasteland". It's called "Baba O'Riley".
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Ok. I gotta say it, unless it really was done already, the thumnail view for browser tabs is pretty neat. Tough to call it innovative since it's not a new concept or anything. In fact it's probably no different than OS-X's Exposé feature, just put into the browser. But it's new and it's something that might be useful.
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I hope that some day people will use the word "hopefully" correctly.
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This latest build includes some major revamping of Windows Media Player, including a smart interface.
This smart interface seems, from the images, to be a simplification and cruft-removal exercise. A good idea, I feel.
Also, notice the place where the Avatar should be in MSN:
To see this dynamic display picture, you need the latest version of Macromedia flash player
*shudder*
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Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
What was wrong with the way the GP and OP used it?
I read this as I download Ubuntu 5.10, just released today. Maybe this is one of Microsofts plans to have everyone look at the gui and distract them.
It seems to me that blurry interfaces are a very bad idea. If you look at something blurry your eye automatically tries to put it in focus. But that's impossible since when it's in focus it is still blurry. Seems to me all this blurriness in the new Windows interface will cause problems with eyesight, kind of like carpal tunnel, where the body isn't meant to work that way.
If you look you'll see Mac OS X's interface there is nothing blurry. Their default wallpapers are not blurry and the only thing even close to blurry is the window shadows, which aren't really blurry but are gradients. Once again Apple did 3d the right way and Microsoft is a bad copy.
It's "Rip, Mix, Burn" not "Browse, Rip, Burn, Sync".
It looks so much like the eyecandy I have turned of in KDE and OSX since it does not add anything to my productivity (transparancy is nice, but after a few minutes it gets pretty boring). Maybe they added unix style mouse behaviour too, just for fun to see how people react on that.
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The original seems to be very slow now.
The people who install the leaked version are software pirates. Pirates don't typically make software companies a lot of money. By leaking a product people want to people who never would have made you money in the first place, you get people talking about it. Seems like a great strategy for MS or any other software company for that matter.
What good is a leak. If nobody wants it?
This is a gross misconception and an attitude that is causing OSS to fall further and further behind commercial offerings from Apple and Microsoft. The fact is that millions or people want it! There are countless fan sites like Flexbeta, BetaNews, NeoWin, WinSupersite, PCWorld, ZDNet, and thousands more that are all breathless with anticipation of Vista. They and theirmillions of readers eagerly await Vista's release and the countless "innovations" that it will bring.
Meanwhile, back in the OSS camp, people are saying insightful stuff like Gaim is more than adequate and RTFM. Microsoft IE sucks, yet it is still the dominant browser and I guarantee that at least 50% of today's Firefox users will switch back to IE upon the release of Vista. That is very telling but, people don't seem to be interested in the message.
People, like you, need to get a better attitude. They need to look at what Microsoft is doing and meet or exceed its capabilities. It is not enough to rest on your laurels while being pretencious and self important. Microsoft is charging ahead and is positioning itself to unleash ten years of its concentrated effort, en mass. Right now, OSS is rapidly slipping behind while people pound their chests saying; "but, we're more secure!". This is not enough to prevent you from being marginalized into obscurity by Microsoft, as if OSS wasn't obscure enough already.
How many of your relatives know what Linux is? How many of them know what Windows is?
The complaint is that a word that originally meant "with hope" is instead being used as a substitute for "I hope".
There becomes a confusion when I write:
"Hopefully, he left on Tuesday"
Do I mean that I hope he left on Tuesday, or that he had hope when he left on Tuesday? It should mean the latter but in common use it's starting to instead mean the former.
I wouldn't worry about it too much as languages have always been fluid and the relatively new usage isn't entirely unintuitive except in very rare circumstances like the one I outline above.
Hopefully, you understand what I mean.
erroneous: look me up in a dictionary
Hopefully they trimmed some of the bloat from it too. Why should a media player be the heaviest app on the system? It's gone nowhere but downhill since 6.4.
Seriously. I'm so damn tired of developers adding features to software. If I wanted my computer to do things for me... wait, I forgot my point.
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um...we've known about the tabbed browsing in IE7 for several months. If I remember correctly, there was a slashdot article pointing to a review of IE7.
On top of that, there are always insane amount of Windows betas floating around before a final release. My cousin subscribes to MSDN and has a box of CD/DVD spindles in his garage of Windows 2000 betas back when that was coming out. This really is now surprise.
Now if the leaked beta came with viruses straight on the iso, that would be newsworthy.
If the leaks aren't accidental, then why is one of the MSN messenger users displayed in the screenshots as "Ryan | Topside Porn..."
Is M$ getting into the porn business as well? Maybe a Windows Vista Porn Edition is in the works, and Ryan is on the dev team? It could have features like the 'boss button,' racy desktop themes, and it could arrive in your mailbox in a non-descript paper bag....
On the neowin.net message board, Raum says:I jsut thought I should mention this.the guy in the IM on some of the shots who's name is topside pornstar or whatnot.That's a grind in rollerblading. Just some trivia.
I think my explanation is more realistic - everybody knows that only Google developers get to rollerblade.
under the header "Licensing"
Feature: Windows Activation Services yes for all home versions (not available for ultimate and corp based)
hmm... ah well, at least getting a diffrent version of windows will mean you'll get more (usable) features. But I probably won't get it anyway. (yay for student version of XP and linux)
(there are more diffrences, limited memory at 8 gig for top home (256 minimum?) they actually getting a desktop window manager(!) P2P meeting place disabled for home use, etc. look at parents link: nice table of diffrences)
Hopefully a Dual G5 2.5ghz will come down to a somewhat affordable price when it's released so I can jump ship and get the hell away from my last requirement for needing windows in my home... video editing.
I just cant afford to spend $5000.00 on what is needed to replace my XP/wintel hardware and software. as soon as I can get everything I need for $2500.00 I'm there!
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In the first screenshot the Media Player has different close/max/min buttons than all the other windows.
Haven't they learned anything from X?
Mixing widgets is bad UI design.
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Thanks for the explanation. I did understand what the ccomplaint was about. I wanted to point out that the way it was used is now accepted enough to appear in a dictionary. Hopefully, I will explain myself better in the future.
The reload button probably turns into the stop button while the page is loading, as in Beta 1.
Perhaps they will rely upon their usual method of security[NO CARRIER]
... as if it's something to get worked up about.
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
Anyone else see that and think "they're going to turn the company around 360 degrees"?
Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
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Now this is most likely not true, but just to confirm: I heard that Vista was going to have an insane DRM policy enforced. I heard that it would not allow any non-DRM music files to even play on the operating system. Can someone please tell me this isn't true? If it is true, does it just pertain to Windows Media Player or does it mess with iTunes and other media players too? Just want to clear things up.
Modified Kernel? Bring on the heap! Big up the stack and overflow every buffer they throw at us! lets see if we can discover vulnerabilities before its even been on beta :p
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Opera's not today's fanboy special. Firefox is. So, please just go buy an iPod and enjoy it, damn it! Pay no attention to your sudden fondness for showtunes.
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so do most fo the apps written to run on them
There becomes a confusion when I write:
"Hopefully, he left on Tuesday"
That sentence is not ambiguous.
Do I mean that I hope he left on Tuesday, or that he had hope when he left on Tuesday?
The former. It would not be natural English to use it in the latter sense.
It should mean the latter but in common use it's starting to instead mean the former.
"It's starting" is a rather funny way of describing a usage that has been standard for about a century, and "in common use" is a bit strange given that the form has been predominant even in formal, literary, and technical English for at least 40 years.
And I'm surprised to see you say that a word "should" mean something, when you go on to acknowledge, quite correctly, that language is a fluid thing. It's safe to assume you don't believe treacle "should" mean an antidote to snake venom, so why do you believe hopefully "should" mean "the subject acts with hope" rather than "I speak with hope"?
(I like the subtle split infinitive, incidentally. Nice way to emphasise the fact that most "rules" are arbitrary stylistic decisions, rather than being founded in usage or convenience.)
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Of course the leaked it! How else will the non-megacorp developers had software ready for it when it comes out?
Besides, that is their marketing strategy...You give it away so that it becomes a defacto standard, then make money by calling the Lawman on their users, and then charging big money to be legit...funny how the recording industry has finally clued into this marketing strategy.
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Just looks like another paintjob. Just a reworking of the GUI which will annoy users as they spend hours trying to find something they need to change.
Especially because this has been Apple's week -- best year on record, 220 percent more iPods sold, about 50 percent more Macs sold, quadrupled quarterly profit, then yesterday a new iMac with built-in video camera and remote control, the big iPod with video features standard, a deal with Disney on selling Housewives. Microsoft had to do something to try to grab some mindshare so people don't forget they are still around.
Microsoft even has a link called Get the Beta right on its website. By calling this a "leak" you're trying to knock Microsoft in some strange way.
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so they want more time to make prettier? and just jump over security issues ?
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"180, you stupid, spaghetti-slurping cretin - 180! If I did a 360, I'd go completely around and end up back where I started!"
You must think in Russian.
My biggest critisim of WMP 10 was the way the internet retrieved information about the currently playing song was removed and replaced with song-selling websites which don't provide nearly as much info (i.e. no bio's, lyrics etc.) and only seem to be interested in selling other songs (or even the song you are already listening to, why you would want to repay for something you have probably already brought is beyond me).
Aren't there laws in place about toxic waste spills?
First off, the "leaks" may be intentional to gain publicity and widespread public use, and since it's an unstable build and "illegitimately gotten" Microsoft can disavow any bugs, claiming it is a test build, beta, alpha, prerelease, or whatever other term they want to apply to a preproduction build (and rightfully so!). Companies leaking early builds, especially builds with drop-dead dates in multiple modules, is not unheard of. By doing this they can use pirate groups as a form of covert marketing and free press (screenshots and actual use of a product), not to mention Microsoft fanboys building free third-party Windows Vista support sites. Of course Microsoft would officially deny such leaks, but they'd be expected to either way, either due to anti-competitive tactics that could land them in court again, or due to concern about shareholder opinions, or even a superficial concern over what little integrity they have left. Secondly, and yes this is nitpicking: You mean "pulling a 180" not a "pulling a 360" (please don't flame me for pointing this out, the primary intent of this post is contained in the first paragraph and this one is merely an incidental observation)
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Funny - did anyone notice that Windows Media Player 10 has verson number 11?
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The only thing that interests me is if native OpenGL will be supported in composite (eyecandy) mode instead of through a wrapper (see opengl.org for details about this). If not it will be a serious blow to portable applications that use 3D acceleration.
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Are these leaks accidental, or is Microsoft actually trying to pull a 360?
;-) They weren't really *that* interested in the ones on the receiving end, but rather how it left MS in the first place. And the MS employee leaking another even earlir version of Longhorn (build 3683?) was fired, actually.
Well, Microsoft has at least been reported to be on the hunt of the employee doing this, according to reports from the warez people involved in the leak. They wanted their IRC logs too.
Make out what you wish from that, but if it's a conspiracy, I guess it just grew a lot bigger.
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It should mean the latter but in common use it's starting to instead mean the former. As much as you'd like to, you can't control the direction a language takes. A language is its common usage.
Ummmm, I read through that link provided. Starter edition is going to be software controlled at being able to use only 256 megabytes of ram? Are you kidding me? It's meant for first time PC users. I can't imagine even getting an OEM first time PC with less than 512 megabytes of ram.
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People love to laugh about how slow MS has been to release Vista, but in a lot of ways, Gnome/KDE are still playing catch up to XP.
I wouldn't trust their QA. I know it's just a beta, but it's clear by screenshot 1 that Media Player 11 has trouble properly labeling songs by The Who
On Screenshot 1 the song being played on WMP is listed as Teenage Wasteland by The Who. The song, of course, is actually called "Baba O'Riley" So, perhaps in addtion to leaking the screenshots, Chris123NT (if that is his real name) is also an evil P2P file sharer?
Agreed. Although GNOME has done some fantastic work with usability, there's still some random and clear inconsistencies in their interface, often moreso than with Windows. Neither KDE nor GNOME is a clear beater of XP's user interface yet, and I feel sometimes people would be best bearing that in mind when laying into Vista's UI. The only thing better for general desktop use is (arguably) OSX, and quite frankly there is not a lot in it other than general prettiness between OSX and XP.
In one of the screenshots it clearly shows that the guy only has 2 gigs of RAM. Isn't Vista supposed to require 2TB of Carbon-Nanotube RAM and a Quantum processor?
Clearly these are fakes.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
If we were talking German or Old English then there wouldn't be a problem, but this is English so the problem with your example sentence is the placement of the nouns. "Hopefully, he left on Tuesday" suggests the implicit "I am hopeful that he..." whereas "he left hopefully, on Tuesday" means what you intend.
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Oh ... sorry, I thought I was looking at yet another Linux Windows Manager. Is Bill stealing code again.
I really do hope the security of vista will be better then the internal security at M$...
I have a full legal msdn copy of longhorn beta 1 and let me tell you first hand. it sucks. I have two gigs of ram...and its slow. it lags continously and only is efficeent half the time. when the Vista beta comes out i'll let ya know if its any faster. for now...i'm dissappointed.
I'd rather get a look at a t-bone by sticking my head up the bulls a$$ then by taking this butcher's word. This looks a lot like xp to me. I will not be buying this crap, tfosorcim should be ashamed.
Don't you mean 180? 360 would leave them going the same direction as before...
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So, basically you can have transparent windows now, I'm so glad that MS in "innovating"... I've had that for the last 4 years on my enlightenment desktop, and I don't need a $3000 video card to render it, or a 3.6 Ghz dual core proc either...
The former. It would not be natural English to use it in the latter sense.
Why not? Hopefully means "with hope." It's an adverb describing an action. If Joe hopefully went to the store, you're describing his action of going to the store as being hopeful.
I guess people are too busy spelling Microsoft with dollar signs to recognize how silly they look when they use poor English.
"Sufferin' succotash."
I don't think that IE7 would be free for me.
I suspect that it would cost at least a couple hundred dollars.
As far as I can tell, I would have to upgrade the OS, then upgrade the hardware to support the new OS.
Exam 4/C again. Maybe I'll do better this time.
That's like saying "Stupidly, he left on Tuesday" suggests an implicit "I am stupid."
"Sufferin' succotash."
I can't stand the addressbar in IE7. You can't adjust the size and the refresh/stop/go button are on the right of the screen miles away from the back forward buttons. I have had to replace two mice so far because of this new design. Can't wait for Office 12 to come along so the users will have to relearn everything again.......thanks uncle bill
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about time they replaced the dumb one. only took what, 7 years? these guy can turn on a dime!
so how much more press will MS get for this vapor thing they talk about. again, it's not actually a real thing. just a promise. just a distraction from REAL things. so what REAL thing was released that this is supposed to distract me from? that would interest me.
I've seem MS screenshots before, they look like windows will bells on. ho hum. watching slugs crawl across the sidewalk is more interesting.
Heh, when was there ever a Windows beta that ran even remotely fast? :)
Ok a build leaked, so what? it's not like it's the first build to be leaked... some release groups live only on that... there was like 50 builds of whislter (xp) that leaked.. does that mean xp sucks? no. of course all the *nix lover will bash me but wtv... xp is good... at least it's the best x86 desktop os for general cosomation... no liux distro is as mature as xp and probably will never be has money is what makes the wold turn... anyways stop bashing M$ and windows theres no link between the article subject and your bashing. p.s. I use gentoo on my dektop so don't claim I'm sold M$
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What ? Me, worry ?
"smart" means that it knows what you want to do, whether you want to do it or not.
a la Opera you should have to say.
As in leveraging our synergies for efficent allocation of resources in man-watt-hours?
As in holographic agents dynamically simulating emulated off-shore technical assist?
Or, smart interface, as in 'transparent' window borders in a butt-ugly color scheme straight out of the SuSE 9.2 release?
*yawn*
Anyone see anything *interesting* in Vista which hasn't already been done elsewhere? Please don't tell me about stuff that MS is planning to release late; I mean stuff that actually exists NOW in the beta. You know, the not-vaporware stuff; like the smart interface.
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I don't know why anyone would actually want that UI. The transparency, the gradients, the bad typography... It looks like Photoshop threw up.
Believe it or not, that stuff has a big effect on usability and interactivity. Hopefully this new UI will get canned before launch. It's horrible.
And I thought "brushed metal" was annoying.
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Yeah, its looks like KDE with Crystal GL, and SuSE colors.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
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"Hopefully", "thankfully", and "shortly" are perhaps the most abused words in English. "I hope" or "one hopes" can be used where "hopefully" is ususally misused, and "soon" or "presently" can be used where "shortly" is usually misused, but "one is thankful" is so awkward that it seems better to just give in and use "thankfully".
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The "you know what I mean" argument is fine for casual speech (which, arguably, includes Slashdot), if you don't mind accepting "U R FUNY!" as well. It's worth being mindful of pendantic style rules in formal writing however.
Following pedantic style rules when writing the cover letter for your resume, for example, is like wearing a suit to a job interview. It may not be necessary, it may not even help (depending on your reader), but it's almost certain not to hurt.
In other formal contexts, it's often wise to avoid ambiguity at all costs, because even though someone knows what you mean, it's in their interest to *deliberately* misinterpret what you said.
If you keep a "CYA" email folder at work, but write sloppily enough that someone could twist your words, you still have a problem, despite the fact that everyone involved in the original conversation understood.
Get in the habit of writing correctly, for you never know when it will save your ass!
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I'm not naive enough to demand that either Windows or KDGnome implement revolutionary improvements in desktop paradigm - that stuff really seems to happen by accretion, especially since we seem to be on a plateau for the desktop interface. But I do wonder why we need a new OS for this - especially at $200 a pop. Vista really seems like a service release of XP with its core libraries rewritten for extensibility and stability. Good thing to do, but not a boxed release. Why should I pay for a more performant graphic engine that does nothing new for me? Or a redone version of PDF? A truly integrated file system-database-document-management system probably would have been worth $200 a pop, but in its current incarnation as MS Google Desktop, I'll stick to the download version, thank you.
It's not like there's a lack of interesting things to do, either:
If you read those articles about Ballmer "realizing" that MS needs more frequent releases of their OS, it's because they've accepted that companies are not going to upgrade Windows or Office on their present machines, but they will migrate over 3-5 years no matter what - new machines will ship with Vista licenses rather than XP, and eventually it will be easier to just replace the old machines with Vista machines than deal with the "legacy" OS. MS will have a tasty revenue stream from Vista no matter what, because it will still ship with every new machine sold. Enviable business position.
I hope companies and OEMs will realize that if they pressure MS with the threat of breaking ranks for KDGnomeJavaFireLinux, they can repurpose their "OEM" XP licenses to new machines, and get Vista for free or very little. There's got to be a limit to the number of times people can be sold the same product.
I know I sound like every other M$ $uxor
I just wish they'd do something about the memory management. Windows seems to swap to disk all the time just for the heck of it. The real problem is when you start using excessive amounts of memory (more than physical memory at least), and even after deallocating it, the entire system goes on a swapping rampage, and everything becomes annoyingly slow until you restart the machine. I thought the MM in Linux at least is a lot better. It actually uses physical memory for something useful and only swaps when it absolutely needs to. I wish Windows did that.
I looked at one of the screenshots and if I'm not mistaken, it looks like the desktop is using a new font!
Wow! Vista is making me vibrate, man!
Maybe we'll get lucky and M$ will pull a 180.
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No it's not, because that would imply a consistency which the English language does not have. In many other languages, an observation of your type would be correct.
Detects Impending Failures Windows Vista built-in diagnostics can proactively detect problems with system components such as hard disks (discks uh??), memory, and networks. Windows Vista notifies you and walks you through the problem resolution. Consider the following scenarios: * Although you don't know it, your hard erection is about to fail. Windows erection diagnostics detects the impending failure and guides you through erection backup. You've escaped a disaster from which it might have taken weeks to recover. (or months of therapy)... * You are a mobile computer user in an enterprise setting, and you've been on the road and have forgotten to back up your data for a few weeks. When you return home and connect to your enterprise network (wife), an event indicating an impending erection failure is forwarded from your computer to your IT support center(doctor). Your administrator notifies you of the impending problem and schedules a repair at a convenient time(ie how many viagra pills should i send).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107362/quotes
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Pornstar. It's the guys name in the chat window...
Not necesarrily. There is a debugger version available from MSDN, but there is also a non-debugger one as well. Don't know what the parent was running, but my non-debugger system was also very sluggish in places, though it did boot tremendously fast. IE 7 on both Vista and XP is incredibly slow too.
You've actually seen Linux use it's swap file? I have Gentoo installed (KDE) and no matter what I do I can't for the life of me get Linux to use any of the swap file. Sometimes I wonder why I even created one. (I have 512 MB of memory BTW.) XP on the other hand seems contempt to thrash the hell out of its swap whenever I so much as launch a reasonably heavy application (or several lighter ones).
Are these leaks accidental, or is Microsoft actually trying to pull a 360?" They are not. I know who was involved with the leak. It may have been leaked by a microsoft employee to "someone else" but no i dont think that microsoft wished that this build was leaked. Hell why would they? they are going to be releaseing a CTP build of longhorn later this mounth of it which will probally be the exact same thing as this....
Funny that the caption on the windows are blurred, but he missed to blur the names of the windows in the taskbar. Nice to know that he chats with: "Ryan | Topside Porn...", "//nD2 DigitalFreedo..." and "* bjx0(TM) *".
The problem is that MS forces this beast onto the consumer by every new PC that is sold, so probably we'll see this Vista thing around at some point of time even though most people don't have a need for this (XP or even w2k is enough for most users and other users use OSX/Linux/BSD)
I'm very interested in how many XP users are really waiting for Vista. I personally don't know any. In fact, most XP users I know are either happy with it or thinking about switching to Linux.
Sad that the consumer can not really chose when they buy a PC.
Damn drafty windows!
Um...a dual 2GHz G5 is $2000. And there are refurbished G5 towers out there (macofalltrades.com, for example) that work just as good as new yet cost a lot less. Look around.
Optimization is one of the last thing you do in software development (for usual projects). Once you know where you spend most of your time in the code, you optimize those parts; it should surprise you it's not blazing fast. You should expect some improvements in that aspect between that Beta version and the final product.
... the build that was given out ('000s of copies) at the MS PDC from not long ago. The IE version in there had tabs too. I'm running 5219, but not to do any serious work on, and it's just as well: it's a pig, nowhere near ready for release. All that debug code slows it right down.
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Well, his nickname is erroneous, after all...
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
This story has been posted, again.
$4 per what? Gallon? Litre? Hogshead? Football field?
Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. -Anonymous
Anyone that's surprised that Windows builds leak out really has no idea of the history of Windows development. Every version of Windows going back to Windows 95 has had frequent and numerous leaks on the internet during development. It's a difficult problem to fix, and microsoft probably isn't that concerned about it.
The leaks get builds into peoples hands, so it gets further beta testing, without them having to offcially support them as beta testers. I'm not saying its deliberate, but it certainly doesn't hurt them.
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We want source code leaks!
And the full set too. We want to be able to compile windows overnight.
We want to copy the HAL over a virtual Linux target, so the Linux kernel could natively execute win32 binaries unlike the way it does WINEX. We want to properly and reliably port directx 9.0 to WINEX.
Even better we want to boost ReactOS to the point of being usable as a desktop. Just as Captive-NTFS uses NTFS drivers, we want to be able to use windows drivers in Linux for products that dont have Linux drivers (still). Would be more cool to port Windows XP to Alpha, SPARC and PowerPC. Who wants to port WindowsXP to the minimac first?
A bridge must be built from both site of the river, and the Linux-windows bridge is badly needed to allow the plethora of win32-only apps to move over. Theyre the reason MSFT has 90% of the market. Are you reading this MSFT developers wasting time on slashdot?
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
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Running with Linux for over 20 years!
From my point of view, as a non-college-educated brute, the phrase:
Hopefully, he left on Tuesday -- does indeed seem to indicate that he was in a hopeful state upon his departure, whereas, if you want to imply that the hope is with the speaker, a small change in the punctuation helps to make the point:
Hopefully he left on Tuesday.
In version 1.0 the comma implies the adverb is directed toward the subject, whereas the lack of comma in version 2.0b implies the adverb is directed at the speaker.
Just my worthless 2 cents!
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss
hahahaha... you sound as if you have a choice... good luck to you and the rest of the Win95/98 users out there who are struggling to hang on.
XP 2001... next year it will be 5 years old... 3 years down the track... just think, 2003 or Vista?? It's kinda like voting for politician these days!!
--Stewie: Let me guess, you picked out yet another colorful box with a crank that I'm expected to turn and turn until OOP! big shock, a jack pops out and you laugh and the kids laugh and the dog laughs and I die a little inside.
I infer then that you have noticed that most magazines and news sites seem to have a quota to churn out a pair of MS articles regardless of relevance or merit. Also how many times a month to we have to see statement-retraction-restatement? The most recent one was the read-once DVD.
Oh, they don't seem to be allowed to discuss current or on going illegal behavior or, worse, discussing security or other technical shortcomings. The EU cases have all but disappear off the radar. Not even the reviews mention a word about DRM, even to state its claimed capabilities. And the most recent security patches/hotfixes covered holes that were known for months, but no advice on interim solutions to harden the machines.
The frequency and timing of the fluff pieces on MS seem to suggest to me that their sole purpose is to keep MS in the headlines and fill up the tech news so that there isn't time to cover other companies or technologies.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
In XP you can edit a registry setting to make the BSOD any color you want! Could we still do this in Vista? I want my Tangerine Screen of Death!
Apple offers Final Cut Express for $300 with the machine. The all-inclusive Final Cut Studio (or at leat quite comprehensive, I don't know everything he does) is $1300, not $3000. And he's probably already got monitors he can use.
how about you revise your "quote" and give us real numbers. If I seem jaded it's because I am in the same boat as lumpy. it costs $5000.00 to get a working video editing platform with MAC.
Numbers revised, see above. And it's "Mac."
If you're going to lie, then learn to handle the heat. My machine runs Vista FLAWLESSLY.