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Rat Cunning May Allow For Island Colonization
weighn writes "It was assumed that most rat invasions begin with one or two rats coming ashore from ships. The journal Nature reports that a wild rat, captured and then released on a deserted New Zealand island as part of an experiment, amazed scientists by apparently swimming 400 metres through treacherous open water to reach another island." From the article: "Researchers wanted to know how hard it would be to spot a single invader, and how difficult it would be to capture. Razza had a small radio transmitter attached and was set free on the island. Scientists intended to recapture him within eight weeks, but Razza gave a new meaning to 'rat cunning'. He avoided all the scientists' traps, and after 10 weeks his radio signal failed. 'It would be fair to say that at that point we were worried,' Professor Clout said. The Conservation Department was also worried, as the island had been cleared of rats."
Maybe the scientists didn't like being outsmarted by a rat.
If it's just 1 rat, I wouldn't be too worried. It may be clever, but it can't mate with itself.
Let me guess, the rat was a pregnant female and her offspring will extinct tons of local species. Usually happens when zoologists try that kind of stuff without expecting the unexpected.
On se Internetz nobody noes your German.
So what's the problem, other than the usual human short-sightedness?
Should have let the little dude go for his efforts. I mean shit, I know I couldn't swim the equivalent of 400 meters after adjusting for the size difference between the two of us.
Somewhere in the world, Jeff Goldblum weeps...
"Oooooh, ahhh... that's how it always starts. Then later, there's running, and screaming, and standing on top of a stool in the middle of your kitchen waving a broom at Chucky Cheese the 'lone' mouse there. You think a single rat won't cause problems? My friend, if chaos theory has taught me anything... it's that nature will find a way..."
Aw, crap. Now rats can swim 400 meters. That means we can't just clear one island of rats, we'll have to clear every island within 400 meters of rats. Jeez, now we'll never get rid of them.
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A rat invasion? Like little mice with shotguns or something, charging up the beach like it's Normandy all over again? What do they want?
God help me if I see a rat with a shotgun storming a new zealand beach!
So, Douglas Adams was right all along?!!
AFAIK this is roughly what they tried down under.
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That means we'll never be able to stop SCO!
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The report didn't mention if the rat was the two-legged or four-legged variety. If it was the two-legged variety, the scientists were probably studying the new version of Survivor with Donald Trump and his ex-wives on one side and Martha Stewart and her prison girlfriends on the other side. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass for reality shows. :P
Male rats were discovered to self impregnate after being told "Go F***k yourself!". In yet other news, Darl McBride is pregnant.
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He speculated that Razza may have wanted female company.
And I thought some of us were desperate!
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Rats are surprisingly smart creatures. They've been living close to humans for a few thousand years, and the humans have constantly been trying to kill them. They've managed to thrive (not just survive) because they are highly adapted to humans trying to catch and kil them.
They do better on some problems than dogs -- e.g. they don't fall for bait. They are terribly suspicious (paranoid) of any changes in their environment. Supposedly they have "culture" in the sense that a colony of rats (and their descendants down many generations) can learn to avoid certain types of food that they have reason (e.g. humans poisoning them) to avoid.
So it isn't at all surprising that the rat was able to best the humans! I'm surprised they caught the thing at all.
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Does this mean we'll never be able to get rid of Darl McBride?!?
odds are it was eaten. scientists love attention, almost as much as they love to come up romantic theories instead of the obvious boring (and most likely right) theory.
Ohh! That explains where evolution came from.
"To our knowledge this is the first record of a rat swimming across open sea..."
they didn't actually *see* the rat swim.
it could be floating on a leaf
"If it's just 1 rat, I wouldn't be too worried. It may be clever, but it can't mate with itself. "
Putting another male rat on the island would have fixed that problem.
Observe the water droplet roll off my hand in a random fashion
..that the rat was eaten? Now, that's cunning: getten eaten to avoid scientific study
if only they had watched a few episodes of speedy gonzales.. all that research money could have been saved.
You're the rat, see, and you have been placed on a foreign island, and .. well .. rats gotta do what a rats gotta do, and that means go find some love, make more rats, avoid the evil scientists and their probing machines, swim through treacherous sharky waters, get some love..
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Something for my GPX2 when it arrives next month, perhaps
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There's an easy fix for this, start placing your island more than 400 meters apart.
Eh, better make it 450 in case you get an olympic level rat... 500 if he's abusing illegal substances.
In other news, scienctists bring a Velociraptor back from the dead, sic it after missing rat and find a use for itssick-claw.
/. posters are finding news slightly faster. The BBC article on the same subject was posted just three short days ago. This may be a new speed record folks. We'll have to check the photo finish before declaring this record official.
Fugitive rat sets distance record
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The author singled out the conservationists to say "Y'all are a bunch of Rat-Fearing Sissies!" with no meaningful contribution to the article. I hope he feels better about himself.
This version of the article just seems to give a much better sense of "How Ironic, Hilarity Ensues" than the submitted one.
And it includes little details, like they used PENGUINS as bait
I can hear PETA cranking up their war machine.
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He he was addicted to slashdot and just needed a hit.
"I'm going to f***ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f***ing kill Google"
Talk about the rat rights voilations (solitary confinement, cruel and unusual punishment, and even an execution)! I blame it on the Video Games.
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The rats are not "invading"! They're trying to spread democracy!
Rats and beaners, two of a kind. I wish Decon made "Spicocide" beaner bait.
Just hire Ronnie Earle. He's good at finding rats.
...better watch out for the military dolphins while they swim.
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Send a buncha cats out to find that rat.
Trust me, they'll find the bugger...
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..that the Tasman Sea is much wider than 400 meters.
I like raw vegtables. It's the cooked vegtables that I hate. Soft and mushy.... ugh., I can take them very lightly cooked, but too many people seem to boil them until they can't stand up on their own.
It's almost like I was eating pre-chewed food.....
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
Did anyone else read this as "Cat Running"?
/. headline.
And I was left wondering for a minute, what a running cat could possibly do that deserves a
May be the story is after all true!!!
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This wouldn't be so much of a problem if the scientists simply castrated the thing before the experiment. It would have at least eliminated the shrinkage factor in that cold ocean water.
'A trap on Otata finally ended Razza's four months of freedom, and his life.'
Well no, actually they knew where the rat was (until it's radio transmitter went dead). They were trying to catch it using traps but had no luck. A rat is not the same thing as a blue whale or an elephant.
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That island being Australia. Smart rat.
Interestingly, as I write this, the fortune (or random quote, or whatever it is called) at the bottom of the slashdot page says:
This poor rat gave all the strength it possessed, but ran away...
I still don't see why they had to kill it instead of just recapturing it. I mean, after such heroic efforts, it surely deserved better?
My friend got a mouse to feed his snake with today, but it was left unattended for numerous hours in a paper PetCo container. Upon return, we found that the mouse easily chewed its way through the paper, but rather than making a break for it ... it decided that it would be cool to simply sit and wait on top of the container for my friend to return. It was captured, and fed to the snake ...
THE END
The Police discovered the problem because the rats were shitting everywhere, including all the crawlspaces in the ceiling.
Wish I could find that article again.
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... i moved the rat myself. stupid rat researchers. :-D
Oh good, I thought the title was "Alan Cumming May Allow Island Colonization". No more bad accents and 2-bit roles please.
herring or something. Not necessarily dead penguins, but what you would catch penguins with?..
OT: I can't stand when sites do this..
I hit the 'print' version button on their site, expecting to get a nicely formatted, less cluttered version of the article. and instead it just sends the javascript command to choose 'print' in your browser.
I'm seeing it more and more, and it bugs the crap out of me.
I had a rat couple visiting my Sydney, Australia kitchen at nights. They were getting stuck into our flour and who knows what else, so I purchased a humane trap to catch them so that I could set them free elsewhere in the wild (I've since found out that this would have been a very bad idea for the native bird life, since rats are known to raid nests for eggs or baby birds). The trap I purchased was primarily intended for possums, however it was very sensitive and suitable for rat capture.
The man who I purchased the trap from, informed me that I should tie the trap open and leave food inside, because the rats will cautiously investigate it and would be likely to trigger it from the outside by crawling on it and then be scared away from it from that point on. I thought this was a bit of exageration and did not think they were all that smart, so in my great haste, I set the trap proper with some apple that night.
In bed that night I listened, eager to hear the trap close... it did... I walked out into the kitchen to find a closed, empty trap.
So I set it again and over a period of weeks those rats NEVER triggered that trap again. Smart little buggers. They were amazing to watch too. They would run right up and down the gas pipe from my oven to the ceiling so fast, as if they were on flat ground. They would even watch me enter the kitchen, turn on the light and stand at the door to look back at them... and they'd just continue to eat my food while they looked back at me. They would not run until I approached further.
Unfortunately, the people down stairs from us used Rat Sack against them, so we were unable to save them and had a terrible smell coming up from the floorboards for weeks after that.
I won't underestimate the rat again. I really wish I'd taken that guys advice too. I would have been willing to keep them captive to see out their lives, although I certainly would never handle wild rats. I've had run-ins with some domestic rats and they were VERY nasty little bastards, so I would not want to be bitten by a wild, potentially diseased rat. In hindsight, I think in the future I'd probably just used a normal old killer rat trap. As horrible as it may sound. I put native wildlife before them any day.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
Hmmm. One of the limiting factors in human evolution is the caloric requirements of a massive, highly active brain. Some anthropologists believe that gaining the ability to hunt accelerated human evolution.
On the other hand, success puts a lot less survival pressure on us, as well as huge breeding populations into which mutations diffuse and disappear.
Now our friend the rat has plenty of calories, plenty of evolutionary pressure, thanks to us.
Any guess on how long it will take Rattus norvegicus to surpass us?
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Let me just say that this is not surprising (it is, however, neat). They're mischief, they're wily, and they're single-minded.
Most people, when they think at all of it, would place the rat near the mouse, the gerbil, and the hamster in intelligence. Play with a (socialized) rat for about 5 minutes and you'll see that that isn't the case at all: they're curious about their surroundings, they mess with things to see what they are (new things in my apartment are thoroughly inspected by the rats...whether I'd rather they did or not), and they have a concept of hiding as a means to an end[1].
Also, for such a small creature, they are very hardy and cope well with infirmity. I had a rat who took a nasty fall and sprained a forepaw to where she couldn't use it for about two weeks. Since their food was on one level, water on another, and nest on yet another - with the only way between levels to climb the walls of the cage or jump - I was going to move everything to the ground area when I saw her get up to the top level of the cage (cage is about 4' high) by jumping, grabbing the bars, scrambling 3-legged up the side, jump at the level and grab the ledge with her right side paws, and swing her body onto the ledge...to grab a piece of dried macaroni and casually jump to the bottom. No issue.
This is the norm for rats: they can lose a paw, lose inner ear functioning (ear infections can do that to them), be in a fair amount of pain, and they'll keep going. In fact, rat owners are cautioned that you need to check your rat for cuts and such because they won't make noise to let you know - the noise would betray them to predators[2].
They have an excellent sense of smell and are good at foraging. Also, unlike many other hoarding animals, rats tend to remember where their stashes are. I gave the rats a ritz cracker apiece one night. About an hour later when I thought they'd eaten them, I let them out to play. Two weeks later I'm watching TV when the rats haul their ritz crackers out of some unknown nook in the apartment and leave crumbs on my couch. Also, they don't gorge: they have a concept of "saving for later" - you can keep a full bowl of food for them no problem. The only question of whether or not they'll get fat is whether they like their wheel.
That's probably enough rat propaganda except to say that domestic fancy rats are incredibly cute and love people. a picture to give you an idea of the cute factor.
[1] - many animals that hide do so whenever threatened or fearful. They stop what they were doing, and they hide. When the threat is perceived to be over, they stop hiding. Rats join coyotes and a few other animals in that they understand "cover" - getting close enough to check something out without being observed.
[2] - that is, unless you have a little drama queen who squeaks and fusses whenever you do anything that wasn't her idea. I'd imagine that's a domestic trait.
There is this popular notion that captureing an animal alive and releasing it into the wild is more humane. In reality it isn't. More often then not the released animal will starve to death due to increased compitition and lack of food. Death by starvation is not humane. In addition, some animals, such as the North American raccoon, are very good at finding their way home. It is better to kill the animal quickly with a properly sized killing trap. "Quick setting" or "easy setting" traps are usually weaker and should be avoided.
Do not use glue traps. The results are disturbing. Poison should only be used as a last result. Not only is poison inhumane, there is also the problem of hidden animal carcasses. Poison often dosen't work against rats anyway. Rats are smart enough to avoid it.
Nah. After a bit, Rat Morpheus made contact with him and Rat Trinity and some others removed the tracking bug. Then they gave Razza the red pill. They're not sure if he's the Rat One yet.
Seems like an obvious safeguard to take. And since the island had been (theoretically) cleared of rats, he wasn't getting any anyway.
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How do we know the rat wasn't eaten by some kind of bird that flew to the other island?
same here lol, its just one of those things the mind automatically fixes i think. switching the r and the c
I have a few questions for you as an owner of pet rats. First and foremost, do they bite?
I've had small rodent and/or exotic pets running the gamut from gerbils and hamsters to hedgehogs. The one common trait amongst all these animals is that no matter how "domesticated" they seem to be, they will still bite at random when being handled. The bites are not necessarily playful or tame in nature. A generally loving hamster can bite straight through a finger (including the nail and bone) without any notice that he's alarmed, I've had that unfortunate experience.
I find mice and rats to be cute, but I was raised to view rats as intrusive vermin; disease carrying scavengers who are bite-happy, unhealthy, destructive, and reproduce more than rabbits. I suppose that the health and disease issues can be solved by purchasing a pet from a reliable breeder. How about the temperament, though? Will a domesticated rat bite its owner? If I were to introduce male and female in the same home, would I have an unstoppable colony of ratkind to deal with? Or can they really be domesticated to the point of being cute, fuzzy, playful, and a pet I don't have to worry about going to the minor medical place at 2AM because one bit straight through my finger?
In [2] you mention a drama queen rat. Are males more suitable for pets? I've found that the opposite is the case in smaller rodents, though my male hedgehog has outlived his female predcessors and doesn't seem to be quite as aggressive.
Thanks!
All they had to do was castrate the rat before the experiment to make absolutely sure
I had a pet rat a few years ago too, an albino. I inherited him off my brother after my brother developed an allergic reaction to him (he was his second rat). At first I only took him on because my brother knew I liked animals and would treat him well. I knew nothing about rats before then. But I soon learned that as well as being playful and inquisitive, domestic rats are very social creatures, and enjoy human contact. Mine never bit me once. On the contrary, he would sit there quietly and close his eyes when I tickled him behind his ears, then he'd reciprocate by holding my fingers in his front paws and licking them. He was extremely affectionate. I had to have him put down in the end because he developed a tumor in his spine and lungs and started loosing the ability to use his back legs. One of the most upsetting moments of my life.
Since it's not testable, it's not a theory, it's a guess. Just letting you in on a really common mistake.
Seriously, it wouldn't be that hard to catch a horny male.
Collect scent from a ripe female and allow it to diffuse into the air in an open area and that guy would be out there within 10 minutes.
The way these scientists are going, they are likely to put the female in a small open box(obviously she can't out-do that) and check back every 2 hours to see if he was there.
Whatever they do do (heh), they had better do it quick--before he learns how to implant his own DNA into a surrogate mother.
just make a noise like a can opener and the cat will come running right to you
It wasn't even a rat. It was a Filagre Siberian Hamster.
I'm thinking cyanide tablet with spring loaded solenoid, so that a dead battery (or failed operation ok signal) would release the solenoid, puncture the tablet membrane and kill the rat. This could be done in a pretty low-powered way, so as to not quickly drain the battery.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
"it was eventually captured in a trap baited with penguin meat several weeks later"
Rats are pretty smart, but like dogs they do fall for bait.
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Dump enough toxic waste in the ocean to kill off any swimming rats. Problem solved.
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...but being scientists, I doubt it. Scientists often seem to lack that sort of foresight.
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I've had pet rats (usually just one at a time) since using them for behavior experiments in grad school. Rats are bright animals and surprisingly affectionate pets. I currently have a small (10 ounce) black and white female named "Snoopy" who shares my love of junk food.....
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There was one vole that was trapped several times on three separate islands, the islands being about 200 - 500 m apart.
Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
A trap on Otata finally ended Razza's four months of freedom, and his life. His adventures are detailed in today's Nature.
Just 1 successful, motivated, rat with a 'can do' attitude because that is what successful rats do: go where the cheese is instead of wondering, "Who moved my cheese?"
On a related note, I'm pretty sure Kansas City Kitty can clean up the entire island. I've seen her take on an entire gang of choreographed singing rats.
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Sounds to me like the scientists simply mistook which island they left the rat on.
A couple of months ago, our local council sent letters to all the residents in our area, telling them that rats were breeding rapidly, and that they would soon start eradicating them if the trend continued. As we had two cats (normally inside cats), we decided to let the cats hunt outside for a few days.
We expected the large male cat to be the lead killer but, to our surprise, the small female cat was the one who took on the infestation. Within two days she started trotting up to the back door with rats half her size in her mouth, and very obviously still alive. Once she finished playing with them, a sharp bite to the neck and it was all over for the rat. In less than a week she had cleared out the infestation, including at least one nest of babies - leaving all the carcasses for me to clean up (at least she left them outside).
The whole time that we have had the cats, we have never had any mice or cockroaches or other pest infections inside the house, which more than pays for the upkeep of the cats.
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I don't think so
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