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DIY Projector Plans Released

vroom writes "Lumenlab, a rapidly-growing website dedicated to the art of building LCD projectors, has just released its guide on how to build your own projector. The guide used to sell for $19.99, along with entrance to the "Premium Forums," where like-minded DIYers work together to constantly push this obsession forward. Not sure if building your own LCD projector is for you? Not a problem anymore. Just download the official torrent file of the guide and you're good to go. If you want to roam with the others in the Premium Forums, however, you'll still need to buy a membership."

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  1. Official? by etrnl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I didn't see anything on their site that they were releasing it via torrent... are we sure this is truly an official release and not someone just tossing it up without permission?

    I see a LumenLab banner at the top of Free2Code's site, but with a referrer link like they're an affiliate.

    Maybe I'm just paranoid, but this doesn't feel legit.

    1. Re:Official? by ctenet · · Score: 0

      Shhhhh!

    2. Re:Official? by etrnl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Further investigation into the forums (which I originally assumed were 100% locked to guests, which proved not to be correct) led to this:

      http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic =2898&st=40

      So it does indeed look legit. Surprised they don't have something a little more visible regarding the announcement, though.

    3. Re:Official? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > Surprised they don't have something a little more visible...

      I'm sure they'd rather you paid $19.95. Meanwhile, you can get a good look at what you're getting for that, and twenty bucks to get to the forums seems totally fair. A good deal all around

      Me, I'll be on the holodeck ;-)

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    4. Re:Official? by Vo0k · · Score: 3, Informative

      The guide is littered with "more details at our premium forums", "detailed description of how to do it on the forums", "which can be obtained in our store" etc. The guide is just a top of an iceberg. The previous "pay for the guide, get access to the forum" seemed more honest than current "get guide free, pay to access the forums so the guide is of any actual use to you".

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    5. Re:Official? by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Example: They give you precise measurements of placement of lenses they sell in their store, but if you want to use some 3rd party lenses (different focal length), "please refer to the forums on how to calculate the distances". Either buy lenses or register, or figure it out yourself.

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    6. Re:Official? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone tell me how the first post can be moderated "redundant"?

    7. Re:Official? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So which is cheaper?
      Paying $19.95 + getting a cheaper 3rd party lens might still work out cheaper than buying their lens and still not having access to the forum.

      Anything like this is never going to be 100% free as you're still going to actually need to buy parts.

    8. Re:Official? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Can someone tell me how the first post can be moderated "redundant"?

      If it is some stupid "I welcome our new DIY LCD projector overlords" joke then it is possible. In this case I don't see why.

      More on topic, since information wants to be free, who cares if it's legit?

    9. Re:Official? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One reason I've never liked that site is because of the pay to access features.
      It just doesn't seem right. One guy owns the forums and bandwidth..sure, but charging to access the combined work of other people in a diy scene is shady.

      Browsing the free section is enough to make me sick too. Every other post is someone telling you to buy the guide! like they're on some sort of referral system.

    10. Re:Official? by Romancer · · Score: 1
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  2. Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Minor carpentry and electrical skills are required for this project."

    What do they mean by "minor?" Why can't there be a rating system?

    MINOR (Carpentry/Electrical)
    Drunken Redneck/Three Month Old Chimp
    Middle-Age-Crisis-Ridden Father-in-Law/Community College Electrical Engineering Dropout
    Bob Vila/Uncle Ben
    Jesus/Ben Franklin
    MAJOR (Carpentry/Electrical)

    1. Re:Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      (Damn - I can't mod any posts on this thread now! Doh!)


      No shit sherlock.....

    2. Re:Could you please specify? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Like the Haynes manual spanner ratings, where 1-Spanner Jobs are things like checking the oil and water (your grannie could do this) and it goes up to 5-Spanners. Apparently most main dealers consider 5-Spanner jobs beyond their abilities...

      Gordon.

    3. Re:Could you please specify? by bcattwoo · · Score: 1
      What do they mean by "minor?"

      I think they mean that you should find a teenager with 133t skillz to do it for you.

    4. Re:Could you please specify? by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      Dunno about the teens that you associate with, but most of the teens I've met lately seem to be wholly incompetent in physical construction skills. They're either sports or computer/gaming oriented, but shop classes seem to have been an alien land to them when they were being educated.

    5. Re:Could you please specify? by Catbeller · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Middle-Age-Crisis-Ridden Father-in-Law/Community College Electrical Engineering Dropout"

      You ARE aware that you, too, will age? And that not everyone graduated from M.I.T.? Only about ten percent (it's a small number, too lazy to look it up) of Americans get a college education, and a tiny fraction of those went to the elite schools.

      Most people get their training from technical schools or community colleges, and people DO occasionally want to learn something after they are twenty-five years old. And damned few middle-aged people have the cash to wander into CalTech to learn electrical engineering, and frankly not many would hire them afterwards, even if.

      The population is rapidly ageing. YOU are ageing. Get used to older people learning new things, because they will be pretty much everyone.

      The world cannot be run by and for teenagers and twentysomethings pretending to be teenagers. I used to think it could be, but time just kicks you inna fork, and I learned.

      I'm curious what all you yunguns think will happen when you turn forty. Suicide? Retirement? Retirement with suicide?

      God, what happens if life extension becomes a reality? I hope LE comes with rejuvenation, 'cause then I can use my l33t oldman skills to steal the girlfriends of all the hapless 22 year old dudes. Delusional fantasy revenge is the best revenge.

      Seriously, elitism and ageism won't be much of a help where we are all going. The U.S. (and everywhere else where population growth is stabilizing or reducing) will need to integrate a hell of a lot of older people with the will to learn new things, and we also need people who learn skills at non-l33t places like community colleges, like how to fix cars and industrial machinery and build things, as well as the hotshots from top tier college programs.

    6. Re:Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say you're always learning? It's spelled "aging"

    7. Re:Could you please specify? by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      Hell, they didn't even offer shop class anymore when I was in high school, and that was less than 10 years ago.

    8. Re:Could you please specify? by dondelelcaro · · Score: 1
      Bob Vila
      You almost certainly wanted Norm Abram instead of the Sears spokesperson.
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    9. Re:Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drunken Redneck/Three Month Old Chimp

      HOW DARE you talk about our president that way why don't you just move to IRAN you terrorist loving commie!!!!

    10. Re:Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the 22-year-old whose girlfriend you're trying to steal, you insensitive clod!

    11. Re:Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I realize that your particular form of mental illness makes you believe that spouting an anti-Bush rant in response to any stimulus whatsoever makes you look "cool" and "edgy", but in fact it just makes you look like a jabbering psycho.

      Kee-rist.

    12. Re:Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Norm "you-can-never-have-too-many-clamps" Abram to you.

    13. Re:Could you please specify? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Actually, FYI almost 30% of the U.S. population has at least a bachelor's degree in something. Some states are above 35%.

      However in general I agree with the point and tone of your post. It's just that your numbers are no longer true, and will become increasingly less true in the future with regard to the percentage of the population with advanced degrees of one sort or another. And occupational education is (somewhat unfortunately, perhaps) waning: based on Table 1 of these detailed census reports, there are far more young people with bachelors degrees than occupational degrees. It's the associate-level community colleges that are fading away, or being 'upgraded' to bachelors-level programs.

      A bachelor's degree is very quickly becoming "advanced highschool." The public schools don't turn out people with any salable skills anymore (and arguably neither do some colleges), so you pretty much have to go right into another four years of education after you graduate HS even to get an entry-level job with any future. And to get the sort of special, sought-after skills that used to be the realm of college graduates, today you need a masters or PhD.

      To be sure, I don't disagree with what you're saying. However the ageing of America is producing a lot of older people who are extremely well-educated and causing the young person coming into the job market to have to do many more years of schooling than their parents did before embarking on a career. About the only advantage that a young candidate has in seeking a job today is that they'll generally not be supporting a family and will expect less of a salary.

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    14. Re:Could you please specify? by HybridJeff · · Score: 1

      Then your high school sucked.

    15. Re:Could you please specify? by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      Tell me something I don't know ;)

    16. Re:Could you please specify? by jmcmunn · · Score: 1


      Yeah, well it made me laugh after a long day at work...so it was worth his 10 seconds of typing. Just because it's irrelevant, wrong, or just plain stupid doesn't mean no one wants to read it. Well done, grandparent post.

    17. Re:Could you please specify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one thing actually great about Bush is that any retarted person or anyone spouting an anti-Bush rant in response to any stimulus will actually have a point!

      YOU, on the other hand, have nothing interesting to say.

    18. Re:Could you please specify? by Wikipedia · · Score: 0

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      By Solomon, in Proverbs

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  3. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here is the list of basic equipment

    1. lcd
    2. strong light source
    3. lens
    4. case
    5. smoke
    6. mirrors
    7. done
    8. profit

    WhatMeWorry!!!

  4. Anyone done it? by EMIce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are building these worth these worth it? What is the final cost/hours spent/usability/style/performance of the finished product? Compared to say a cheaper $600 finished projector?

    1. Re:Anyone done it? by maxxxel · · Score: 1

      Some of us are building WUXGA projectors based on a dell 15.4" LCD screen for around $1500. Capable of 1920x1200 resolutions. Thats cheaper that a HDTV for 1080p resolution. The panels are not HDCP compatible but a work around is underway. brutuz

    2. Re:Anyone done it? by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      It looks like the bulbs alone will last you about 6 times as long as finished projectors, and cost a tiny fraction to replace.

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    3. Re:Anyone done it? by pelrun · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a lot of work, there is some risk involved, and there are areas that don't come close to a commercial projector. Commercial projectors can pump out a lot more light than a diy pj... but the catch is that their bulbs are rated for only a few thousand hours and cost many hundreds of dollars to replace. Spending half the cost of your projector every year or so to replace the bulb, doesn't sound like much fun to me. Or you could keep it in it's box and only use it once a year to conserve the bulb... but then you're not getting your money's worth then either.

      DIY pj's use metal halide HID lamps that last for upwards of *twenty thousand hours* and cost anywhere between $50 and $150 each. Have the thing on all day every day if you want :)

      And there's no understating the worth of boggling the minds of your friends and family when you tell them you made it yourself :D

    4. Re:Anyone done it? by imboboage0 · · Score: 1

      I had actually considered paying for this guide months ago. I looked into it, and everything looked legit. If you surf around on the forums, they actually have pics that people posted of their projectors and the building process. In the end, it does seem to look the same as or better than a commercial projector for a fraction of the cost.*

      *Note I said seems.

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    5. Re:Anyone done it? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Why aren't there any consumer projectors out there that, even though it may increase the size of the thing, use this kind of bulb?

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    6. Re:Anyone done it? by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, probably because someone decided that there isn't a market for them. Also, why sell a cheaper "better" product that's slightly larger than your expensive smaller model? You'd just lose sales of the smaller model..

      Children, this is why you shouldn't let people who only care about money and greed run the world.. :P

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    7. Re:Anyone done it? by pelrun · · Score: 1

      Actually the diy pj is *significantly* larger than commercial pj's. The basic configuration for a diy pj that uses a 15" panel is called a "dog coffin" for a very good reason. :) And there are a lot of other places where a commercial projector trounces a diy one handily - you just have to decide which set of trade-offs you want to live with.

    8. Re:Anyone done it? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the 15" panel though. Just the bulb. While it does increase the size, it isn't nearly as dramatic as the size increase required with the panel.

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    9. Re:Anyone done it? by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The bulb may be kept cheap because the panel is big. For reasonable quality the bulb must be a point lightsource, that means a small percent of the panel size. Here, it is. Make the panel size 0.7" and you have to resize down the bulb (the actual lighting element) to the same dimensions, while retaining the high light output. Smaller size x same power output = higher temperature. 14" LCD -> 0.7", 20x decrease in length, at least 20x increase in power output of the wire surface, and make the metal not to evaporate...

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    10. Re:Anyone done it? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Costco has a $1000 HD projector that has been on 24/7 for 1 year now demoing it. and that price includes a 76" screen.

      I really do not see a commercial projector dying too early. hell my old one on my ceiling is still on it's 1st bulb from 6 years ago. Yes it's at 1/2 intensity now but still useable and brighter and certianly clearer at it's 800X600 resolution than any DIY projector I have ever seen.

      BTW, this DIY projector scene has been around cince the 70's I remember the upside down 13" Tv and the fresnel lens trick projecting into a mirror to get a very dim projection tv. these are no different compared to the cheap 2000 lumen HD projectors on the market right now.

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    11. Re:Anyone done it? by j1mmy · · Score: 1

      /Or you could keep it in it's box and only use it once a year to conserve the bulb/

      I've had a projector for 3 years with the same bulb. I use it between 5 and 10 hours a week.

      When the bulb *does* burn out, I may buy a new projector and sell the old one. There are some much nicer models available these days for less than what I originally paid for mine.

    12. Re:Anyone done it? by Lagged2Death · · Score: 1

      Commercial projectors can pump out a lot more light than a diy pj

      I'm no expert - but are you sure? HID bulbs produce more lumens per watt than incandescent/halogen/xenon bulbs. HID vehicle headlamps manage about 3000 lumens from just 35W. A 400W HID bulb should be an absolute monster. And the relatively huge LCD could very well have a higher proportion of transmissive area than a smaller one.

      That sounds to me like a recipie for putting out something like a cubic furlong of photons.

    13. Re:Anyone done it? by sootman · · Score: 1

      Just like any bulb, it's the heating and cooling from turning on and off that kills them, not just pure hours on. I manage several conference rooms and each room has a projector. These rooms have been used an average of 8 hours/day, 2-3 days/week, for 4 years and I haven't replaced a bulb yet. I imagine the published life specs are based on the idea of someone turning it on, doing a 30- or 60-minute presentation, and turning it off.

      Also, low-end projectors are barely usable in a brightly-lit room. (Like a living room with large windows or glass doors letting in sunlight.) Well, they're "usable" for computer use, when the point is to be able to read numbers on a spreadsheet, but they're hardly suitable for the full range of color you get in movies and TV shows. And this thing is substantially *less* bright? Yeah, leave it on all day every day if you want, but you won't get much enjoyment until the sun goes down unless you own good drapes.

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    14. Re:Anyone done it? by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not sure that the physical size of the bulb is at all related to the size of the LCD. My 35mm film projectors have a 35mm (obviously) wide area that contains the image to be projected, and the light source is a 1/2" spark gap inside an 8" long bulb. In this case, the length of the light source is almost half the width of the surface being projected.

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    15. Re:Anyone done it? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 0

      Of course, 15in LCD screens can not do 1920x1200 Native - so there will be a serious loss in quality with that set-up.

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    16. Re:Anyone done it? by millerz1897 · · Score: 1

      I have check www.zachshacks.com Worked out good. I have all the costs, result, and lessons learned there. MANY Pics.

    17. Re:Anyone done it? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Half-intensity? From my experience, they stay just as bright for a year and a half (or so, depending on use), and then explode loudly enough that you almost crap your pants. What kind of bulb does your 6-year-old projector use? It's obviously different than what they're putting in InFocus machines now.

    18. Re:Anyone done it? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      This is just the kind of explanation I was looking for. Now if some other people could just chime in and confirm..

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    19. Re:Anyone done it? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      From the dell website (Inspiron 6000):

      15.4" Widescreen TFT Active-Matrix Display
      Available Resolutions:
      WXGA (1280 x 800)

      WSXGA+ UltraSharpTM (1680 x 1050)

      WUXGA UltraSharpTM (1920 x 1200)

      UltraSharpTM enables wider viewing angles and improved contrast ratio for brighter, more vivid colors.

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    20. Re:Anyone done it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1920x1200 capable contoller for this panel by winmate http://www.winmate.com.tw/ipc/2G2A110.htm Some of the LCD screens have had their antiglate film removed from the LCD which increases contrast and sharpness.

    21. Re:Anyone done it? by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      How many times do we have to tell you "Do not touch the bulb with your bare fingers when installing it?"

      :-D

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    22. Re:Anyone done it? by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      More than that, last I checked, it was almost impossible to get an HDTV-res projector commercially. Even models as high as $4500 were just a 1024x768 panel with high brightness and a very overpriced scaler. Using this sort of design, it is not only possible to build such a device, it's quite trivial. Adapt it to a $1300 23" Cinema HD display and you're done.

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    23. Re:Anyone done it? by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      I have built one of the lumenlab projectors.

      I bought the guide about 2 years ago and spent some time researching the science behind it. After learning enough and getting the courage to just give it a shot I started buying the parts that I needed. The LCD I used was 300 bux but you can get one cheaper now aday. Total I would guess that I spent ~500 dollars.

      I took my good sweet time when putting it together so I did not damage the LCD at all and making sure everything was aligned properly. After 2 weeks of building I started projecting my first images. That was 1.5 years ago! Now I am playing Quake 4, World of Warcraft, and no longer have the need to go to those noisey movie theaters anymore. I just wait for the movie to come out on DVD and watch it in the peace and quiet of my own home ;-)

      People will say "Yea well its bulky" but then I say "Yea well my wallet is bulky from saving money on replacement bulbs"

    24. Re:Anyone done it? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 0
      I'm sorry, but you missed the NATIVE part in what I said. Sure, that 15in LCD can do 1920x1200 - but it will look like shit. It physically cannot do that resolution, so the electronics takes its 'best-guess' as to what it has to leave out to get a 1920x1200 signal to fit on 1280x800 pixels.

      This is common on ALL LCD monitors. LCD monitors have a Native resolution which will give you the best picture. Lower than native, and the monitor need to interpolate to fill the spare pixels. Higher than native, and it needs to drop information.

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    25. Re:Anyone done it? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and native resolution is the highest resolution an LCD screen can generally do, lower resolutions are interpolated which as you pointed out looks like crap most of the time. This review, this one (over in the pros), and this one (way down in going wider) all note the resolution, typically in the first line. If it were interpolated all three reviews wouldn't rave about the displays unless Mikey was passing out a good chunk of his fortune. These are 15.4" widescreen screens with a native resolution of 1920x1200. "They are real, and they are spectacular!"
      Since they are laptop screens they go pretty cheap on ebay when someone breaks their computer but the screen is in good shape.

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    26. Re:Anyone done it? by maxxxel · · Score: 1

      Yes thats right the native resolution is 1920x1200 the only thing that is interlaced is 1080i 1920x1080 everyone knows that. http://diy-community.de/viewtopic.php?t=7478&sid=c 6fcabb6c658505148328f877b801b7f

    27. Re:Anyone done it? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1
      Ahh, these are laptop screens. I made the mistake of assuming they were normal desktop screens.

      How do you propose on driving these screens? Most laptop screens I have seen don't allow you to just wire up a vga cable and be good...

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    28. Re:Anyone done it? by AaronGTurner · · Score: 1

      The bulbs tend to be good for about 2000 hours so at 10 hours a week you should be good for almos t 4 years. But if you assume a household with an average of 3 hours TV per day then it is likely to last 2 years at best.

    29. Re:Anyone done it? by fatcatman · · Score: 1

      More than that, last I checked, it was almost impossible to get an HDTV-res projector commercially. Even models as high as $4500 were just a 1024x768 panel with high brightness and a very overpriced scaler.

      This is not true. HDTV-res projectors have been around for several years. I bought mine over a year ago for under $5k. They've dropped in price even more since then.

    30. Re:Anyone done it? by maxxxel · · Score: 1
    31. Re:Anyone done it? by maxxxel · · Score: 1

      1920x1200 capable contoller for this panel by winmate http://www.winmate.com.tw/ipc/2G2A110.htm [winmate.com.tw] Some of the LCD screens have had their antiglare film removed from the LCD which increases contrast and sharpness.

    32. Re:Anyone done it? by pelrun · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the only light that is actually any use is that generated in a very small area at the focal point of the first fresnel - everything else is generally wasted. The MH lamps we use have a pretty small arc length, about 4 cm. But that's *huge* compared to what's ideal. Hence, a much brighter lamp has to be used in order to compensate.

      Additionally, the LCD screen and even the clear optics consume a considerable amount of light themselves - LCD's only let something like 6% of the light through! And each lens/mirror/piece of glass the light has to go through eats about 10%. So what you get out is nothing like what you put in. :S

    33. Re:Anyone done it? by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      So any idea of the resulting lumins from the DIY projector?

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    34. Re:Anyone done it? by pelrun · · Score: 1

      It's been measured somewhere around 300 lumens.

    35. Re:Anyone done it? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I notice there is no price on that controller...

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    36. Re:Anyone done it? by maxxxel · · Score: 1

      Information can be found at the link below. The second group buy is over. I dont know if there will be a third. The controller is not cheap $350 http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic =4203

    37. Re:Anyone done it? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      For reasonable quality the bulb must be a point lightsource,

      Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The best results I have had with photographic enlargers have used a diffusing panel, for an equivalent light source the same size as the negative. Why would the light source have to be a point source? The lens focuses the light - what you want is an evenly illuminated image plane.

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    38. Re:Anyone done it? by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Collimated light. Look at the diagrams in the guide. I'm not sure what's the method for enlargers, but likely the purpose of the panel is similar to the lens with the light source in focus, simply distributing light evenly over the surface of the original image. The difference being that you can't pump that much light through the diffusing panel, or it would simply melt, you don't need that much light while working with photosensitive materials.

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  5. Marketing b*llshit filter! by Chaffar · · Score: 4, Funny
    The following comments were blocked!
    - For just $19.99, a Lumenlab Premium Membership will show you how! - When you build it yourself you save big money! - You can do it! - If you've been thinking about buying a rear-projection television forget it! A Lumenlab projector blows them away for a fraction of the cost! - Build your own custom designs! - Your gaming experience will never be the same! - Your friends and family will love watching films, sports and television on a giant 10 foot screen! - This is a great project for the entire family. Maybe you're looking for a science fair winner? This is it! - This project is FUN. You'll have hours of enjoyment building, and YEARS of enjoyment watching your projector. And WOW what a sense of accomplishment! - Don't go to the movies, bring them home! The popcorn is cheaper and there's never a line for the bathroom!

    For a 1-page article that's a lot of exclamation marks! Somebody count them! I counted 21 !'s ! That's lot when you take into consideration that the whole article is like 15 sentences ! Seriously it becomes annoying after a while ! Somebody should tell these marketing morons that .!=! !

    1. Re:Marketing b*llshit filter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo! uses! exclamation! marks! to great! affect!

    2. Re:Marketing b*llshit filter! by boomgopher · · Score: 1

      It's just like reading Mary Worth in the comics!

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    3. Re:Marketing b*llshit filter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look under public forum section you will see a huge amount of completed projectors, along with unedited photographs of the output you can expect.

      Years of research has gone into these guys and girls, and i can assure you that the thousands of members there, enjoy building these projectors just as much as they enjoy using them afterwards, go along and have a read, and see the excelent results that are possible.

      There is much fun to be had over at LumenLabs believe me, its a very vibrant commumity of friendly people.

      RobAndJonK

    4. Re:Marketing b*llshit filter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes, but for the most part it's not worth it. Projectors under 1000$ with tax are common nowadays, and replacement lamps are becoming cheaper too.

      These DIY projectors seem cheap at first, but that's assuming you have some cheap LCD panel that'll work (nevermind I'd prefer DLP), and access to lots of very uncommon parts (optics, electrical lighting stuff, reflectors, insulation, etc), which they "conveniently" sell from their store at high prices (I bet they make 100x more money there than by selling the guide). If you have to buy a LCD at near full retail price and the rest of the stuff from their store, it's almost more expensive than buying a projector.

      And the results, although better than I expected, are not incredible either. That's unless you have some high quality optics (more $ again), a great LCD screen (more $ yet again), a very good lamp setup (powerful yet won't melt the LCD and proper color balance/spectrum - more $$$), etc. And you end up with some big ugly big plywood case (it's got to fit a big LCD scren, lighting and all; some seem to redo it once or twice as their first or 2 design sucked) - not very good for the WAF [wife acceptance factor]. That's not counting the tools you need (tablesaw and such) nor your time. The only way it'll really be cheaper than pre-made cheap projectors is by using old stuff like lenses from OHPs and such, and then the quality sucks and all... And regardless there's tons of things you don't get (like no remote control, and you'll have limited connectors - only those that LCD had; perhaps only DVI, and things like that). Some will also lure you into "higher resolution" than cheap projectors, but then use optics and/or a poor design that effectively makes the picture no better overall anyways...

      I've looked into it before, ended up buying a DLP projector instead :) Nice, quiet, great picture (better than 95% of those projects turn out to look like), nice lightweight/neat/tiny/portable/good-looking plastic enclosure, built-in deinterlacing/scaling/bunch of video outputs of all kinds, remote control, keystone adj, warranty, etc. Didn't have to get parts from all kinds of places and spend tons of hours putting some ugly hack job together.

      Unless you're doing it as a hobby, then perhaps it's more justifyable. Otherwise, projector prices have come down a LOT recently... I don't regret skipping the whole DIY thing!

    5. Re:Marketing b*llshit filter! by rooster9 · · Score: 0

      Good points. Thanks.

    6. Re:Marketing b*llshit filter! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      For a 1-page article that's a lot of exclamation marks! Somebody count them!

      I counted 21. ...

      (Ok, I didn't, I just copied it from the parent poster. Sucker!)

  6. I did it... sorta. by arosas · · Score: 3, Informative

    My roommate and I actually are going with this route (although we are poor college kids, so obtaining the parts is a slow process). We know a few people on campus that have used this method as well. Coming from an engineering school something like this guide isnt much help to me, but access to those forums have been invaluable, there's just the little things that you just dont quite think of when you're building your projector that other people have done (i.e. keystoning and different methods of implementing it), and plus it's nice to have a big community to help you along with something like this. Stripping down a LCD may seem intimidating, but with some tips from the community, it's something that can be easily achieved.

    Now... /me puts on my flame suit for forking over the $20 some-odd bucks and prepares for a raping.

    1. Re:I did it... sorta. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got an overhead projector free from school because they were throwing some away, and put a LCD display (the sort you're supposed to put in a car) on it. Worked fine at night, except it needed extra fans or the LCD would go black.

      Playing Metal Slug 3 on a giant screen = teh awesome. :)

  7. Five Comments and Already Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the processor for that server DIY, too?

  8. Re:Marketing bull**** filter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And with your newly built Lumenlab LCD, you'll have the resolution needed to actually SEE how fast we were Slashdotted! Really!

  9. "Just released" ? by Mr+Europe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hardly "Just released" ! My personal copy of the lumenlab guide
    says "Copyright lumenlab.com 2003-2004".

    BTW It is a good guide, but the same information can be collected elsewhere.
    http://izzotek.com/index.php?lang=en
    http://www.diyprojectorcompany.com/
    http://www.diybeamer.ch/portal/index.php (German, Ahh es macht so gut..)
    http://www.gadaffy.ch.vu/
    http://www.gwidijanto.fcpages.com/index.htm

    Yet buying the guide allows access to the forums, which by itself is worth the price.

    1. Re:"Just released" ? by Vo0k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just released for free. Before, you had to pay for it.

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    2. Re:"Just released" ? by MadJo · · Score: 1

      hmmm, next to RTFA, we could make a RTFS (Read the fscking summary) acronym ;)

  10. Re:Suitable way to scan books? by pelrun · · Score: 1

    No, nor do they have plans for vacuum cleaners, cyclotrons, gazebos, juicers, carousels, air-conditioning units or space shuttles.

    These things (and more, including your scanner doohickey) fall under the very broad category of "things that have absolutely nothing to do with diy video projectors and, by extension, lumenlab".

    Sorry.

  11. What DIY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    All they did was take an LCD screen, designed to be used with overhead projectors, and put it onto an overhead projector. The only "DIY" was the case they built out of "partial board" and covered with black felt.

    My department bought one of those transparent LCD screens in 1997, back when overhead projectors were still to be found in every lecture hall, laptops were $3000 and LCD projectors were $5000 and as big as a suitcase. The idea was to use this to go from the computer screen to the wall screen on the cheap. It was used every once in awhile, but if you weren't using a laptop, it was a pain to use, since you had to wheel in a cart with a desktop PC.

    Once laptops got cheap enough so that they were commonplace, LCD projectors had gotten cheap enough that the department bought one and consigned the transparent LCD screen, with its terrible picture quality, to the back closet of the copier room. There, it collected dust, along with all of the other obsolete junk that no one wanted to use anymore, but had cost too much to just throw away.

    The transparent LCD screen was an ugly kludge, a bridge technology to mate the old with the new. Let it die.

    1. Re:What DIY? by pelrun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So the reason you're condemning this is because your *eight year old* OHP projection screen is, um, eight years old.

      This isn't putting an OHP LCD on an OHP, it's converting a normal desktop LCD screen (you know, the ones that have gotten very, very cheap and very, very good in the past couple of years) into a projection system. The output can be great, and they are an order of magnitude cheaper to run than *any* commercial projector. Sure, you need to hook up a PC or a video-to-VGA converter to it, but so what? Laptops and HTPCs (and video-to-vga converters) are plentiful.

    2. Re:What DIY? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Sorry but I call BS. the colors are washed out horribly. my LCD commercial projector has 3 seperate lcd's that have very strong color filters to handle the high light intensity. a laptop screen can not give me decent contrast ratios or decent color saturations.

      sorry. it's a red herring.

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    3. Re:What DIY? by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      They are not washed out for me. Beautiful colors and nice sharp picture.

    4. Re:What DIY? by teqguy · · Score: 1

      While commercial projectors tend to have superior contrast ratios than the average LCD monitor, you must take into account that this is usually at the expense of both the brightness and the consumer. Many projectors also employ lamps with lower color temperatures to prevent blacks from looking like milky grays, which sacrifices purity in whites.

      Laptop LCD screens are also a horrible base of comparison, as they're commonly limited to contrast ratios below 350:1 and use back or side lighting with color temperatures that are too cold for projection.

      Ideally, you would want a panel with at least a 450:1 ratio for use with a 400w metal halide bulb(33,000 lumens at 5200k), which isn't hard to find with newer panels hitting up to 1000:1 ratios. In addition, if you consider that with a larger panel, more light will collimate through it and thus more light will be projected, the brightness is unfathomable by any commercial projector.

  12. Since when is this news?? by dorkygeek · · Score: 1
    Just fgi. http://www.google.com/search?q=diy+projector: over 1 million hits for "DIY projector". So why should we be concerned about someone "releasing" its handbook into the free?? And even more, there are tons of free forums outthere concerning DIY projectors, no need to pay for it.

    Looks like the dupe posting was just replaced by more ad-ish articles. *shakes head*

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    1. Re:Since when is this news?? by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 1

      True, but..

      Why would one pay to put an article on /. without having a server that can handle the load?

    2. Re:Since when is this news?? by dorkygeek · · Score: 2, Funny
      I just heard that police seized their brand new servers because they've paid with DIY money. They then had to resort to their old 386.

      HTH

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  13. I wonder... by Vo0k · · Score: 1

    how hard would it be to build one from a Slide projector? Bulb and some optics already in place, just the "LCD screen format" (35mm slides) somewhat too small :)
    Any pointers/help?

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    1. Re:I wonder... by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      LCDs that size will not be very high resolution. And the higher the costlier. Just think, if anyone could squeeze 800x600 onto a 35mm LCD then they could produce 12000x9000 desktop LCDs. 160x120 LCDs in that size range arent too hard to find, and you might get your hands on something that can do 320x240, but thats about it.

    2. Re:I wonder... by wolf.sama · · Score: 1

      You can find 480*220 LCD for like 50 bucks, and, in LCD commercial projectors, there are 1280*1024 0.7" panels, one or three, depending on the technology use, if you want to see how to do this, just google Volksbeamer :)

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    3. Re:I wonder... by Vo0k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just think, if anyone could squeeze 800x600 onto a 35mm LCD then they could produce 12000x9000

      It's not how it works. That's why you don't see wall-sized 12000x9000 screens being just a seamless 10x10 matrix of 1200x900 screens, same pixel size, bigger image size. You can make bigger screens by making bigger pixels, and opposite, tiny screens with tiny pixels, like in the expensive "real" projectors. The problem is the number of interconnections, data lines for each pixel. You can squeeze in only as many while keeping the latencies at reasonable level, and the physical size has little (even if some) to do with it.
      There are tiny XGA displays that could nicely go straight for such a projector, expensive like the hell, but they exist. The problem here is heat, they are way too heat-sensitive to survive it.

      I was thinking more along the lines: Take it apart, change the distances between lenses, possibly add two fresnels or something like this, use normal LCD screen.

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    4. Re:I wonder... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      It's very easy, but the quality isn't all that great. I did it roughly ten years ago using a Sega Game Gear + TV tuner. Stripped out the LCD, put it in the projector.

      There were a number of problems. The image wasn't very bright, and it didn't last long! The heat from the bulb screwed with the LCD and it stopped working after a while. Also, the resolution of the screen wasn't all that high, and you could see the pixels in the image.

  14. Tom's Hardware did something similar by Cougem · · Score: 2, Informative
    Here
    It's a great tutorial on how to convert a laptop TFT screen and a regular overhead projector into a great big screen! A good read, practical and down to earth.
    'This article was inspired by offers on eBay for home projector construction manuals for around $20 that, on closer inspection, proved to be thoroughly useless.'
  15. Should work by squoozer · · Score: 1

    This looks like a fairly high quality guide to building a projector which is pretty amazing because most I have seen are next to and will result in nothing more than a pile of broken parts.

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  16. Why Bother? by gbobeck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok... this is one of those DIY projects that can be cool to do, but overall its not worth the effort unless you need a very custom looking projector. Quick cost breakdown: You have to buy all the parts - that can easily run over $300. Add $N if you need tools. We are already sitting at $300+N, not counting labor. This project does not appear to be something you can do in 30 minutes or less. And when you are done, you are without any kind of warrenty. Total price so far (best case) = $300 + N + (Hours * Hourly wage) - warrenty Total price so far (worst case) = $300 + N + (Hours * Hourly wage) + Hospital trip - warrenty Or you can go and buy a new cheapie projector for under $600. It is also safe to assume that an occasional projector will turn up at a computer scavenger or pawn shop. Of course, I'm waiting for the SCO corporate liquidation auction to pick up my projector...

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    1. Re:Why Bother? by IdntUnknwn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These projectors will easily blow away any cheap projector in terms of image quality and will supposedly rival many commercial projectors. That's the whole point.

      There are also things called hobbies. Hobbies often take up lots of money with very little in return except for enjoyment.

    2. Re:Why Bother? by pelrun · · Score: 1

      Continuing the cost analysis...

      New cheapie projector = $600.
      Bulb replacement fee for cheapie pj = $400+ (and definitely $600+ for a lot of PJ's)
      Bulb replacement frequency for cheapie pj = once a year, longer if you strictly ration your pj usage

      So cheapie projector = $600+($400*number of years you use the pj). Ouch.

      Bulb replacement fee for diy pj = $150 if you're *really* unlucky :)
      Bulb replacement frequency for diy pj = several years if you use it all the time.

      Saving lots of money is not necessarily the best reason to try building a diy pj. But if you've got the time, patience and determination to see the job through then it's a damn nice fringe benefit :)

    3. Re:Why Bother? by Mr+Europe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Diy projector has some advantages:
      1. Lamp life time (..30 khours..)
      2. Lamp price ($30..$100)
      3. Better resolution (1024*768)
      4. More quiet sound. Can be made almost totally silent. Fans are dia 120 instead dia 40 ..
      5. Cheap. LCD costs $150. OHP:s ( --> lamp, electrics, fan) can be found very cheap, maybe $10. I got mine free since the fan made noise. The lense $50 (OHP lense could be used only for a short-throw beamer = beamer between the viewer and screen).
      6. Can be easily used as computer screen (games...)

      But also some disadvantages:
      1. Bulky size
      2. Work
      3. Risk of doubling the price (brake the lcd..)
      4. Connecting the DVD-player needs DVI connection ?

    4. Re:Why Bother? by gbobeck · · Score: 1

      Thats assuming everything during construction goes well or you are able to tweak the setup. The quality of the output is directly proportional to the skills and abilities (skabilities as some of my friends call them) putting together the projector.

      I totally understand the concept hobbies... I do chainmaille (the metal stuff, not junk mail) for fun.

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    5. Re:Why Bother? by gbobeck · · Score: 1

      I think the one advantage that has been mostly missed is that it can be 100% customizable.

      Imagine, a projector with most structual parts made of duct tape.

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    6. Re:Why Bother? by Nosferax · · Score: 0

      On my Sanyo Z3 the lamp is certified for 3k hours.
      If I watch a 2 hour movie per day that means that my lamp should last me about 1.5k day.
      that's about 4.5 years. I'll by a new pj by then since I like to upgrade my audio/video setup to take advantage of the technical advance.

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    7. Re:Why Bother? by SteveAyre · · Score: 2, Informative

      2. Work

      However, if you like DIY projects then this becomes 2. Fun and gets bumped up into the advantage section.

      4. Connecting the DVD-player needs DVI connection ?
      Not done it myself, but I have heard other people have done it successfully:
      It's possible to convert RGBs SCART to VGA simply by directly connecting the pins between the connectors in the correct order (and possibly adding a cheap £1 chip to decode composite sync into horizontal + vertical syncs). The voltage levels are handily all the same.
      The 15kHz horizontal sync means almost all CRTs can't use it (they have a minimum of 30kHz), but LCDs can cope with this fine.
      So it would seem to be fine, as long as the DVD player has RGBs SCART output and your LCD has a VGA input. The extra work(/fun) is almost non existant compared to the effort of building the projector.

    8. Re:Why Bother? by defsdoor · · Score: 1

      So do you pay someone else to fly a kite for you while you stay in and do nothing ? After all the time taken to fly the kite * Hourly Wage far outweighs how much you could pay the kid nextdoor to do it instead....

    9. Re:Why Bother? by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

      ...because my beloved wife accidentally plugged a laptop supply into our brandnew 17" TFT monitor, destroying the backlight. Whilst her contrition was real, it hasn't bought a new one. This is a way of making something good out of otherwise expensive scrap.

      Steve

    10. Re:Why Bother? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Ok... this is one of those DIY projects that can be cool to do, but overall its not worth the effort unless you need a very custom looking projector. Quick cost breakdown: You have to buy all the parts - that can easily run over $300. Add $N if you need tools. We are already sitting at $300+N, not counting labor. This project does not appear to be something you can do in 30 minutes or less. And when you are done, you are without any kind of warrenty...

      You must be new here. Please leave your geek badge at the door on your way out.

      For those that don't know, its common for geeks in order to save money and have something "just the way they want it" for something that they can just buy in a store. It is not uncommon for them to spend near or more than the market price for the item, plus their time, and 99% of the time, the thing is a slapped together hack that may never work right.

      Its kinda like all of the regular kids wanting to be a rock star.

      Well, there is Linux and the Rolling Stones, so lets let them be.

    11. Re:Why Bother? by cciRRus · · Score: 1

      1. Lamp price ($30..$100)
      2. LCD costs $150
      3. The lense $50
      4. Bragging rights... priceless.

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    12. Re:Why Bother? by 63N1U5 · · Score: 1

      Or you could get one of these.

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    13. Re:Why Bother? by gbobeck · · Score: 1

      I would leave my geek badge at the door, but unfortunately I put my DEC Multia there so it could heat the room. And no, I'm not new here... just new to posting here.

      To be honest, from what I have seen, many geeks could care less about building something like this because they are too busy doing cool projects like building visualization arrays, distributed weather monitoring systems, passive gigabit ethernet taps, writing OSS... stuff like that. Of course, that may just be limited to the lab I work at.

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    14. Re:Why Bother? by gbobeck · · Score: 1

      Actually, I pay the kid next door and use the time he flies the kite to post on slashdot or do real work.

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  17. DIYPRO Test Image by mankey+wanker · · Score: 1

    Where can somebody get that test image? Frankly, I just like it and think it would make a nice desktop picture. I refer to the image here:

    http://lumenlab.com/brainchild/web_test1.jpg

    TIA.

  18. It's HUGE! by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't want it in my living room.

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    1. Re:It's HUGE! by SteveAyre · · Score: 1

      Call it an advantage:

      Doubles as a coffee table. :o)

  19. Same basic idea, but the execution is different. by pelrun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Tom's Hardware article was a great proof-of-concept, and is still useful if you have a spare LCD screen and an OHP floating around, but it's hardly elegant or robust or electrically safe. The Lumenlab style of PJ is a refinement of the idea - less duct-tape and more lounge-room appliance. Your wife would probably want the TH PJ thrown out :)

  20. this is old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i think Tom's Hardware have the tutorial many months ago.

    No i didnt RTFA

    1. Re:this is old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you didn't rtfc either, linked already.

  21. Re:Suitable way to scan books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "things that have absolutely nothing to do with lumenlab"

    Thanks for letting us know that paying them money to see anything they have hidden behind thier pay wall is useless Your helpfulness and charming manner is noted, and may you recieve such a level of service all day long.

  22. Why do lamps cost so much? by deragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A bit off topic but regarding projectors, I always wondered why the lamps are so expensive (>$200). Are the filaments made of gold?? (joking). Seriously, I would like to know why manufacturing could not yield much cheaper lamps. Anybody got a clue?

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    1. Re:Why do lamps cost so much? by pelrun · · Score: 4, Informative

      The three things you want in an ideal projection lamp are

      a) very high light output
      b) very short arc length
      c) very even colour spectrum

      The reason b) is important is because the projection optics rely on having a point-light source. Light that's generated only a few mm off the focal point of the first lens doesn't follow the correct path through the optics and gets wasted (or pollutes the light that is going the right way, causing a blurry, washed out image.) Add a) and b) and you get a lot of heat in a very, very small space. Manufacturing a bulb that can do a and b and doesn't explode as soon as it's lit is hard. Add c and things are even harder.

      I'm sure bulb manufacturers make a reasonable profit off their bulbs, but they aren't deliberately limiting the lifespan of these bulbs for the hell of it - it's just you only get two out of "cheap", "good" and "long-lived".

    2. Re:Why do lamps cost so much? by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      not even any two.
      +Cheap, +long-lived, -bad and -Expensive, -short-lived, +good are two best you can get.
      You won't find a good long-lived one nor good, cheap one. Either go for cheap (or expensive, but still bad) long-lived (or short-lived if you're a sucker) halogens, or buy "originals" that die faster than you can say "poof" and cost a fortune, but provide good image quality.

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    3. Re:Why do lamps cost so much? by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

      Many of them use HID (high intensity discharge) lamps, like those horribly dazzling bluish lights you see on some cars. They use an electric arc in a xenon atmosphere - not a filament - and are very expensive. They generally last longer than a filament lamp and are much brighter per watt.

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    4. Re:Why do lamps cost so much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why build a cheaper one when the market will support a more expensive one?

    5. Re:Why do lamps cost so much? by johneee · · Score: 1

      The bulbs use an integral reflector, which bumps the price up as well. The reflectors in high intensity/high heat units like this have a limited life span, and while it's probably longer than just a bulb, the manufacturers think that it's better to have you replace it at the same time as the actual lamp. So they make it all as a unit. Instead of just being a simple capsule then, you have a whole assembly (makes you think of printer ink schemes...)

      The other issue is that the projector manufacturers keep on redesigning the projectors to take different shaped bulb/reflector assemblies. This is partly because new projectors need slightly different specs on the capsule and on the shape/size/focal distance of the reflector and partly so they can keep selling you new bulbs.

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    6. Re:Why do lamps cost so much? by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 1

      The answer is that they don't cost that much. ywh on the DIYAudio forums was selling a bunch of short-arc UHP bulbs for $40, straight from a supplier in China (where ywh lives).

  23. Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 3, Interesting
    • Walk, drive, or crawl to your local thrift store.
    • Go down into the Bargain Basement.
    • Pick out an overhead projector. Personally I prefer the 3M brand ones. They come in tasteful earth colors. Most of the other brands are more garish. Make sure the bulb lights and the fan spins.
    • Go visit your high school A/V department. If they're like most, they have a back room with a stack of overhead projection tablets that nobody uses anymore because they're 480x640. Offer them a box of Mallomars or $5 for the one with the fewest scratches. Remember to get the right VGA cable and power supply.

      Go home.

      Place tablet on projector.

      Plug in all cords into their correct sockets.

      Enjoy!

    1. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by fish+waffle · · Score: 1

      If they're like most, they have a back room with a stack of overhead projection tablets that nobody uses anymore because they're 480x640.

      Was it really the resolution that was the downfall of those devices? Presentations using lcd overhead projection, iirc, were self-limiting in that eventually the image would start to "melt" as the lcd panel became overheated by the projection bulb. It would eventually recover, but the heat/cool cycle was such that at least in my experience full-class presentations were not possible.

      But i suppose it might still be good for watching the matrix, if you timed it right.

    2. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Go visit your high school A/V department. If they're like most, they have a back room with a stack of overhead projection tablets that nobody uses anymore because they're 480x640.

      I wish I went to high school where you did! I think the highest form of technology we had there at the time (10 years ago) was a laserdisc player that had been produced 15 years prior. One VGA projection tablet would have been amazing, much less a whole stack of them.

    3. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go visit your high school A/V department.

      Did your highschool realy had an AV department?
      They were very openminded there , weren't they? I don't know what I would have done with an AV departnment in my highschool...
    4. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Go visit your high school A/V department. If they're like most, they have a back room with a stack of overhead projection tablets that nobody uses anymore because they're 480x640.

      Gee, how nice. Then you can have a 640x480 image (lower-res than a standard TV) scaled up to 50". I'm sure that'll look great.

      I wouldn't even go for 1024x768. 1920x1080 is the minimum these days, IMHO, otherwise everyone is going to want to upgrade, just a year or two down the road.

      Oh, and you forgot the last step. Attach a couple large powerful fans to the LCD screen, so it doesn't get completely COOKED after an hour of use. Then just TRY to find some way to silence the whole thing (or turn up your home theatre to ear-bleed volume levels).
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    5. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by jonbrewer · · Score: 1

      Then you can have a 640x480 image (lower-res than a standard TV)

      Not true. Standard TV in Slashdot-land is NTSC. Go do some homework.

    6. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Not true. Standard TV in Slashdot-land is NTSC. Go do some homework.

      Do your own homework. NTSC is actually 720x480 at 4/3, hence the resolution of NTSC DVDs. Although, it is more generally accepted as only 704 of that 720 being visible, so you could call it 704x480, and I don't think anyone would complain. Still, it's notably higher than 640.

      The graphic at the bottom of that Wikipedia article (saying that NTSC is 640x480) is just simply, factually, wrong.
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    7. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      Do your own homework. NTSC is actually 720x480 at 4/3, hence the resolution of NTSC DVDs.

      Do your own homework. NTSC is 525 horizontal lines, which at 4:3 means 700x525, and what amount of that is viewable depends on the device you're using.

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    8. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
      >Gee, how nice. Then you can have a 640x480 image (lower-res than a standard TV) scaled up to 50". I'm sure that'll look great.

      Doesnt look bad. USA TV has 525 lines, a bit more than the screen's 480. The horizontal resolution is debatable, as it's analog, and quadrature phase encoded, so depending on how you calculate it, there's about 4 million dots per second per every 55 microsecond scan line, and about half that many color changes, so that's only about 440 pixels across.

      So in most cases a 640x480 display is way above what a TV signal can deliver.

      >Attach a couple large powerful fans to the LCD screen...

      Think. These screens were designed to sit on top of overhead projectors. They typically have a infrared blocking glass plate on the bottom (the glass looks slightly greenish), plus a long squirrel-cage fan along the whole length of the LCD display. I've never seen one overheat and quit.

    9. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Think. These screens were designed to sit on top of overhead projectors.

      There were designed for short presentations, not hour after hour of use.

      I've never seen one overheat and quit.

      They don't "quit", the picture gets badly distorted and unwatchable. The fact that you've never seen it doesn't prove anything... except that you've never tried it.
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    10. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Do your own homework. NTSC is 525 horizontal lines,

      Well that's just moronic. NTSC is broadcast at 525 lines, but those are not all picture. It includes lots of non-picture information like closed captioning. Of the 525, 480 is visible.

      which at 4:3 means 700x525,

      No. On something like a computer monitor, with square pixels, 700x525 would be a 4/3 aspect ratio. On a TV, pixels are NOT square, which is why the resolution is 720x480 and 4/3.

      and what amount of that is viewable depends on the device you're using.

      There is a very small variation between television sets, but they are all very close to 704x480 viewable.

      Create a DVD with black bars on both sides, so the video is only actually 640x480 wide. You can play it on any TV you want, and you'll see that there are black bars at the side.
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    11. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      >They don't "quit", the picture gets badly distorted and unwatchable. The fact that you've never seen it doesn't prove anything... except that you've never tried it. Well according to the IMDB, I've used one for 4.7 hours. I watched "thunderball" (130 Minutes) and "Forrest Gump" (142 minutes) at one sitting one rainy day. No problems. Maybe you've used a tablet that was flaking out?

    12. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by evilviper · · Score: 1
      USA TV has 525 lines, a bit more than the screen's 480.

      Forgot to address this in my reply...

      NTSC is broadcast at 525 lines, but only 480 of those are visible picture. The rest is used for synchronization, time delay, closed captions, etc.

      there's about 4 million dots per second per every 55 microsecond scan line, and about half that many color changes, so that's only about 440 pixels across.

      From your statement, I can't tell if you even actually know what you've calculated there... It's well-known that chroma ("color changes") are subsampled to luma, hence the 4:2:2 designation. Resolution is certainly not dependant on there being a chroma channel for every line, so the resolution is 720x480, even though there are only half as many chroma lines as luma lines.
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    13. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by evilviper · · Score: 1
      I've used one for 4.7 hours. I watched "thunderball" (130 Minutes) and "Forrest Gump" (142 minutes) at one sitting one rainy day. No problems. Maybe you've used a tablet that was flaking out?

      Sounds more like you've got a heavy-duty one that is built much better than most.
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    14. Re:Save your $19.95, here's how I did it: by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
      Sounds like somebody other than me is confused. NTSC has ansolutely nothing to do with pixels, or 4:2:2 ratios, or anything having to do with bits. It's an analog standard, devised a couple decades before subsampling was even established as a concept.

      Let's look at this in the frequency domain, since that's how NTSC was defined. There's about 4.2MHz of bandwidth for the total signal. With B/W, that whole bandwidth is used for grayscale (minus a very few KHz for audio). NTSC, to be "compatible color", had to fit the color info in there somehow without messing up all the extant B/W TV's. They did this by choosing just the right subcarrier frequency so the color info tends to average out between adjacent lines. Since that subcarrier ends up at 3.7545MHz or thereabouts, the color bandwidth is severely limited, to a bit under 1MHz. With 15,750 scan lines per second, the color can't change more than 2*1Mhz/15,750 times per scan line. Anybody who ever tried to use an Apple ][ in color mode has experienced this.

      Now that's theoretical bandwidths. With off the air signals, or worse yet, VHS tape, the resolutions get even worse. Not to mention dynamic range, which you've probably noticed, is really bad for VHS.

      Conclusion: A 640x480 display is plenty good resolution for TV watching. Sure, your "golden eyed" folks can complain, and they will. But you can't squeeze much more than that resolution out of the medium.

  24. Free DIY LCD Projector Guides by wehe · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are many more guides about building your custom made LCD projector around. From my experience it can be difficult to find them with Google. But here is a starting point for more and free practical guides to do-it-yourself DIY LCD projectors. There are also guides for building projectors from old dia projectors and tutorials to build overhead projectors yourself. You may even use a display from an otherwise broken and unusable laptop.

  25. DIY Network Error by digitaldc · · Score: 1, Funny

    Just click here: http://www.lumenlab.com/

    It doesn't cost a thing, except for 3 seconds of your time. You may wish to try again at a later time.

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  26. Re:Suitable way to scan books? by pelrun · · Score: 1

    Yup, pretty useless... except in the singular case where you want to make a diy video projector. They're pretty useful then.

    Good thing that's what I want to do. :)

  27. Not New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been around at LumenLabs for a while now. Nothing new to see here ....

  28. More resources... by johnhoward666 · · Score: 1

    A forum that discussed this very topic (may save the $20!)
    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t =266277

    Some more links in there no doubt!

  29. A wealth of guides already available by ignoramus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not sure why the release of this particular set of plans is news, really. There are a ton of guides for DIY projectors, that go from simple fresnel based systems, through LCD + overhead projector, all the way to building the whole thing yourself.

    FYI, see:

    And there are many more, just a g00gle away...
  30. Rectangular projection by SendBot · · Score: 1

    I've looked seriously into the diy projector projects before, but one thing that always put me off was the 4:3 aspect ratio. Has anyone found a good screen and supplies with which to do a 16:9 projection?

    I know that most of the newer non-diy projectors do that, but still the best price I can find on one that does xga is at least $1K.

    1. Re:Rectangular projection by nmg196 · · Score: 1

      The entire point of DIY projectors is that they are CHEAP. As soon as you say 16:9 you instantly make it EXPENSIVE. Any 16:9 panel will cost more than a 4:3 for the forseeable future.

      Because 16:9 panels are expensive, the projector will become bad value compared to a commercial one, so you might as well just buy the commercial one which is far smaller, guaranteed and generally much better quality than the DIY ones.

      You can obviously still project 16:9 pictures via a 4:3 display - it's just that there might be a slight glow above and below the picture (which you could easily mask out if it really bothered you). You might not get the full resolution of the panel, but this is about cheapness and the fun of building - not quality. If you want 16:9 and quality, buy a commercial projector off eBay.

    2. Re:Rectangular projection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm currently building a projector (based roughly on the plans from lumenlabs) based on parts from their site. I bought a $100 19:6 (7" diagonal)lcd that is intended for use in a headrest in a car. My total costs are going to be approximately $400, and the unit is pretty small (about 7"x12"x22"). I haven't decided whether I'm gonna hang it from the ceiling or put it somewhere else. Anyhow, I'm mostly done (just waiting for the lenses -- originally purchased elsewhere, but when they failed to deliver, went to lumenlabs).

      So, to summarize:
      Great projector with higher definition than TV (mine is no good for games)
      costs about $400
      small enough to put inside coffee table or hand from ceiling/wall
      replacement bulbs are at my local home depot for around $35

      I can't see paying $1000 for a big screen TV.
      Note: I did not include the screen price here...haven't figured it out yet.

    3. Re:Rectangular projection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be hard but try and find a 1280x1024 LCD that doesn't interpolate a 1280x720 image out to full screen. Then drive the panel at 1280x720, masking off the non image displaying portions of the panel so that you don't get dark grey bars. If the 1280x720 image is centered vertically that would be 152 pixels along the top and 152 along the bottom and if you make the masking movable you can switch to 4:3 (1280x1024) whenever you like.

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  32. Re:Here's a simpler method of DIY projection by pelrun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would you want to buy a refridgerator when you could just buy an esky and dump some ice in it? Why would you want a TV when you could cut up some paper, draw images on each piece, then assemble them into a flipbook? :D

    An OHP with an LCD on top is going to be ungainly, fragile and is going to dump a lot of waste light around it, washing out the image. DIY projectors aren't infinitely bright; controlling the ambient light is an important consideration.

  33. Easy by xchino · · Score: 1

    I've been in the DIY projector scene for awhile, and I've never heard of lumenlab.com, or a "for sale" guide. This guide seems to be fairly in depth, but this is one of the more complicated designs. My favorite design is the most simple, and AFAIK the cheapest. Just grab a decent quality projection panel from Ebay, and then grab an overhead projector (just like th eones you used in school) also cheap and readily available on Ebay. You can get this setup for $200-300 and the replacement bulbs are cheap. Very simple to setup, just plugging in the power and video sources and you're good to go. The picture isn't the best, but it's not bad at all, I watch movies, play games, and sometimes just fart around and read slashdot on my bedroom wall. The darker you can get the room, the better the picture will be.

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  34. You need to engage your market-speak filter by Mille+Mots · · Score: 2, Funny
    It might just be that I spend too much time with various programming languages, but any time I see marketing/ad copy with exclamation marks I mentally substitute 'not' for the exclamation marks. So, the copy you posted would read something like:

    • For just $19.99, a Lumenlab Premium Membership will show you how. NOT.
    • When you build it yourself you save big money. NOT.
    • You can do it. NOT.
    • If you've been thinking about buying a rear-projection television forget it. NOT. A Lumenlab projector blows them away for a fraction of the cost. NOT.
    • Build your own custom designs. NOT.
    • Your gaming experience will never be the same. NOT.
    • Your friends and family will love watching films, sports and television on a giant 10 foot screen. NOT.
    • This is a great project for the entire family. Maybe you're looking for a science fair winner? This is it. NOT.
    • This project is FUN. You'll have hours of enjoyment building, and YEARS of enjoyment watching your projector. And WOW what a sense of accomplishment. NOT.
    • Don't go to the movies, bring them home. NOT. The popcorn is cheaper and there's never a line for the bathroom. NOT.

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    1. Re:You need to engage your market-speak filter by FoogyFoo · · Score: 1

      You can have a bookmarklet to automatically do that for you:

      javascript:( function() { var i,x,t; function R(t) { while(t.indexOf("!")!=-1) t=t.replace("!"," NOT."); return t } function F(n,i) { t=n.tagName; if(i=n.data)n.data=R(i); if(t!="SCRIPT"&&t!="STYLE") for(i=0;x=n.childNodes[i];++i) F(x) } F(document) })()

      or one to just turn '!' into '.'

      javascript:( function() { var i,x,t; function R(t) { while(t.indexOf("!")!=-1) t=t.replace("!","."); return t } function F(n,i) { t=n.tagName; if(i=n.data)n.data=R(i); if(t!="SCRIPT"&&t!="STYLE") for(i=0;x=n.childNodes[i];++i) F(x) } F(document) })()

      There's probably a better way to write those bookmarklets; I'm only a beginner in javascript.

  35. Damn by eno2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    What the hell kind of question is, "not sure if it's for you"? Why is that even being asked on Slashdot. This is supposed to be the place where DIYers congregate and talk about technology. But I see that ever since the sheeple have been admitted things must have gone downhill. You wouldn't have seen this kind of thing on Slashdot in 1957. Back then it would have been a bunch of guys with nicknames like "Buzz", "Jupiter" and "Mousemeat" working on a project like this. And they would have been happy to share the info just for the sake of how cool it is to share instead of profit. And they would have all been members of the ARRL (American Radio Relay League to you greenies who don't know anything about REAL technology) who were excited about their QSL card collection. THAT was the REAL geek. None of this namby-pamby "for a fee you can join our club and get access to the good stuff" tack that these people are up to. Truly a sad day and age we live in. The 50s were much better. At least every kid knew how to build a crystal radio set and knew what a "cat whisker" was.

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    1. Re:Damn by protoshoggoth · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you have to admit that hand forging those difference engine cams out of scrap bronze did get kinda old after a while.

    2. Re:Damn by macdo · · Score: 1

      Hear! Hear! I am from '64 myself... In the Netherlands the VERON (comparable with the ARRL) organises a special contest called 'back to the future' where the goal is to log as much stations as possible, with... a chrystal set. I was amazed when I read the scorelist.... Some had even logged stations from the USA....

    3. Re:Damn by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      I will have to agree to disagree with you on that. There was a certain charm in the greenish tinge left on your hands from working with bronze all day. Can't get that from plugging in PCI/AGP and USB devices all day. Feh! Give me the good old days...

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  36. No. Buy Commercial. by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are using third world child labor, don't count your time at all, and happen to have all the tools and most of the miscellaneous supplies just lying around ready to be put into the transhcan, I'm guessing you might break even.

    Of coursem that's if you don't mind poor color rendition, and have an enormous space for your projector.

    Don't be put off by lamp life. 2000 hours? My first PJ lasted more than 4 years on its original 1000 hour lamp (it had about 1700 when I sold the house, and still looked fine). 2000 hours - that's 8 hours a day, five days a week, 50 weeks a year, or 5.5 hours a day, every day, all year. Unless you plan on just leaving the thing on all the time, it should take you a good two years to go through a 2000 hour lamp, and several HT projectors are sporting 4000 hour lamps now. Heck, by then you'll want a new projector.

    Officemax recently had a PJ on sale here for $499. 1100 lumens, 4000h lamp, 2000:1 contrast. That's going to be hard to beat with a DIY setup.

    Spend a couple of hours searching for a bargain, instead of building your own. You'll probably be happier in the end, and if you're married, you'll definitely be happier with the WAF in the end.

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  37. Re:Same basic idea, but the execution is different by chris+macura · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude... this is someone who builds their own LCD projector. What wife?

  38. Projector Mount by kvandivo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Once you've gotten your spiffy projector built, you might as well attach it properly to the ceiling. I didn't build my own projector, but I did build my own projector mount. I have pictures and more details available. I've built the mount for a couple of different types of projectors, but the design can easily work for just about any projector. Total cost ended up being 2 or 3 bucks for the hardware. I had a couple of old pieces of wood lying around, so I didn't have to buy that.

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  39. My LumenLab experience by Scot+Seese · · Score: 3, Interesting


    The users in the LumenLab member forum are the real reason to buy the plans. Their experience is invaluable and they are amazingly eager to help you.

    Brain, the guy who operates LumenLab.com is highly accessible, both in forums and LL's IRC channel. He's an interesting character. He and his wife built a biodiesel car that runs on hemp oil, a DIY home CNC machine, among other things.

    I highly recommend browsing the LumenLab free forum where users post pics of their finished projectors. Hundreds of success stories. Look for my friend PyrettaBlaze, his finished PJ is amazing.

    The finished result with the LumenLab kit is siginificantly sharper and brighter than the overhead projector/LCD panel kludge - Approximately 1800-2000 ANSI lumens at 1024x768 with the ability to throw anything from your PC to the screen (or other sources through adapter box.) The LL guys are using quality optics and have a fanatical support community behind them.

    Check it out.

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    1. Re:My LumenLab experience by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Just as an offtopic aside, the entire procedure for running hemp oil in your average older diesel (like a VW, or a MBZ) is to introduce heated oil into the system once it warms up, and to stop doing so when it cools down. My MBZ in particular has an inline bosch fuel pump up front that can be used to pump the oil, so all you need is a switchover valve, a tank, and some fuel line. The most sophisticated conversion kit is only $1100 or so (plus shipping from Germany) and includes an injector refit kit, new glow plugs, a computer that handles switchover and maybe some other stuff, and some new fuel lines and fittings I think. That one lets you run mixed diesel and oil in the same tank. The new glow plugs are longer and hotter and run for longer, which is part of what the computer handles. It's made by Elsbett.

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  40. Lumenlab by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know that many of you will belive this to be a scam just as I did when me and a friend found it about 2 years ago. I plunked down the 20 bux at the time and then started reading the protected forums looking at the different ideas. After a month or so of gathering a list of things that I should get( basically what was most popular with many of the other builders) I decided that I would give it a shot and see if I could actually make it work. The build process was not very hard at all. I took my time building and measuring everything in about 2 weeks. When I first turned the projector on, I was waiting for it to not work and me to look like a fool to my wife. Much to her and my surprise the first projected images of Shrek where absolutley jaw dropping. Now, when ever we have a party or gathering at the house, everyone always wants to check out the gaming/movie projector as I sit there with a smug look on my face saying "Yea I built that for under 500 bux" Anyhow, here is a link to my finished working projector that has been running for over 1.5 years and is still great. http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic =1576 If you truely want a home theater, do not just blow this off as a scam. Putting a TV in a cardboard box to get a 120" picture that is crystal clear and high definition is a scam. This is true science. And you will be very pleased with what you come up with after you are finished with your DIY projector.

    1. Re:Lumenlab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a scam because you can get the information for free elsewhere. I'm not paying $20 for the privilege of getting information from other people who don't even see any of that money.

    2. Re:Lumenlab by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      You can get the guide for free from someone/somewhere sure. But you are basically paying to get access to the forums. I do not know of any other place with a community that is willing to help its members out such as this one. So no it is not a scam. A scam would be trying to sell something that did not do what it was said to do. If they were selling a guide that did nothing more than send you through a hoops and ultimatly did not work then it would be a scam.

  41. You're missing the point by TheAxeMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point of releasing the guide for free is to get exposure and to let people get a feel for if they have the time/ability to start a project like this. You're getting the same guide that I bought over a year ago, the forums is where the real value lies and it has always been that way. The guide not specific enough? Remember, its DIY (DO IT YOURSELF). Its about experimenting, learning, having fun, and, if all goes well, getting a kick ass projector out of it. I've taken a look at the new pro lens setup, and it makes a SPECTACULAR picture, for less than half what a commercial projector will cost. Operating costs are a fraction of commercial projectors. But if you're not ready to build something like this, then don't buy into it.

    At least you get a good idea of what it will take now, since the guide is free, so you can make your own decision about if you have the ability or the want to do something like this. As opposed to those eBay auctions for "plans" that doesn't tell you anything about it, you just have to risk your (guide) money on it. And too often it will turn out to be some shit plan that doesn't work well if at all. These guys know their stuff, they get their own lenses, made specifically for them. Its all very professional and you get great results. If this is something you can do, then I highly recommend this site.

    1. Re:You're missing the point by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      Have you completed your projector? I'm interested in how many lumins a DIY project will be able to throw out.

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    2. Re:You're missing the point by marktwen0 · · Score: 1

      So, AxeMaster, did you complete your projector? Are you satisfied with the results?

  42. Could this also be done by using common bulbs? by ylikone · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know the idea is to get light emitting from a tiny point, hence the super expensive bulbs... but couldn't that be solved somehow, using a different configuration for the optics or focusing the light, etc.. It would be so much cheaper to just plug in maybe 6 100 watt regular household light bulbs. Possible?

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    1. Re:Could this also be done by using common bulbs? by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      You will not have even lighting and there is not enough lumens created to give a bright enough image. The LCD panel and each piece of glass that the light passes through eats the lumens up. My bulb has been in use for about 1.5 years now and the projector is on no less than 6 or 8 hrs a day longer on the weekends. So 50 bux for 2-3 years of use is pretty cheap. You would probably spend more on those household bulbs in that period of time even if it did work.

    2. Re:Could this also be done by using common bulbs? by ylikone · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, so what about using mini flourescent bulbs? They cost about $5 each and supposedly last about 7 years and produce very little heat. A 23W flouresent bulb is equivalent to a 100W incandescent which produces around 1500 lumens (according to wikipedia). So, with 6 23W flourescent bulbs, you'd get 138W which would produce a minimal amount of heat and 9000 lumens.

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    3. Re:Could this also be done by using common bulbs? by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      Well my bulb has 39,000 lumens. So you would be looking a huge reduction in brightness. I have been keeping my eye out for these super bright LEDs that they are making now. I always wanted to try and create a huge array of these LEDs and use them as a light source. However, many people in the community belive they will not have the intensity to carry the distance from the projector to the screen. They are pretty bright and several hundred of them in an array would be extremely bright. But it would be more expensive.

      Over at Lumenlab I know they were working on a new light engine design that would give 40% more brightness and probably allow the users to lower to a 250w lamp, but that is not finished yet and as a DIYer I would keep my 400w hehe more brighter is more gooder IMO ;-)

    4. Re:Could this also be done by using common bulbs? by ylikone · · Score: 1

      Ok, wow, I didn't know the projector bulbs are that high in lumens! I guess incandescent or flourescent just won't cut it. The LED lights sound interesting though.

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    5. Re:Could this also be done by using common bulbs? by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      Yea, if they had the intensity there could be some really good posibilities there since you could remove the rear lens, have even lighting, and avoid the inverse square law.

    6. Re:Could this also be done by using common bulbs? by cr0sh · · Score: 2, Informative
      Note: I have been researching building my own DIY projector for a couple of years now - I am pretty well knowledgable about what goes into one, I have browsed LumenLabs and other site forums extensively, and I have looked into a number of options for lighting. What I don't seem to have enough of is time.

      First off, the bulbs used in LumenLabs (and other DIY) projectors are not expensive - not when compared to similar (though smaller) bulbs used in commercial projectors. The expense for the DIY projector bulbs is in the ballast, not the bulb itself. If you are looking at a 400 Watt Metal Halide (MH) bulb, you are going to need the proper 400 Watt ballast to power it - these aren't cheap, at around $200.00 (US). The bulbs themselves, while much larger (physically) than regular projector bulbs, are fairly cheap, at $30.00 - $60.00 (US), depending on bulb size and base type - many can be easily bought at Home Depot or Lowes (although, strangely, these same places do not sell the fixtures/ballasts these bulbs are used in). They also tend to have a fairly long life - 10,000+ hours of use are not uncommon. Contrast this with the smaller bulbs used in commercial projectors: 3-4000+ hours of life (not bad), at around $300.00-$400.00 per bulb assembly (ouch!). Of course, they are a lot smaller...

      Something else to remember is that at one time, video projectors used halogen bulbs instead of MH (MH bulbs are used more now because they use less current, generate less heat, and have a whiter light). The benefit of using such bulbs in a homebrew project is the lower cost (a 400 watt halogen work lamp from Home Depot or Harbor Freight costs less than $20.00 (US)). The downsides are the fact that you have to work really hard to keep the heat away from the LCD panel you are using (cooling such a beast, while possible, can be tricky - be careful), and the color temperature of the bulb is more into the yellow than white. Also, it is possible to find cheap halogen lamp and bulb assemblies on the surplus market for overhead projectors - these bulbs tend to be the smaller two-prong base with integrated faceted or smooth parabolic reflectors. The problem is powering them properly, as most seem to want a weird voltage (like 80 Volts). I have such a bulb assembly, and I plan to try using an off-the-shelf lamp dimmer switch to power it. I plan to do this in my shop, with suitable eye and face protection (these bulbs are tricky - you can't just plug them into the wall, they can explode, etc). I don't know if it will work or not.

      Something else I have recently thought about is that here at my work, we have a commercial video projector (some relatively late model ViewSonic). It uses a 160-175 Watt MH bulb. This bulb costs about $350.00 (US) to replace. But what is interesting is the wattage: it is less than half of the wattage of the bulbs and ballasts that LumenLabs sells (400 Watts). So, what can be found around the 200 Watt range? Actually, plenty. It used to be that LumenLabs sold a 250 Watt kit (bulb, ballast, socket, etc) - but no longer. This kit was much cheaper (about half the price) of the 400 Watt kit. Something I have noticed over the years is that the DIY projector community seems to attract people who have similar mindsets as those who are into case-modding or ricing their cars: BIGGER IS BETTER. In this case, they are right - a 400 Watt MH light will be better than a 200 Watt one: more lumens, brighter image, better able to see it in a lighted room. But, they are more expensive, and you have to work harder to eliminate the heat. So - if bigger is better - why isn't our commercial ViewSonic projector using a 400 Watt bulb?

      Well - it is the heat factor, once again. In a small case, like this projector is, it is very difficult to remove the heat, so cut down the heat from the bulb to begin with, and it gets easier (plus, it is cheaper for them to build, which they can pass the savings back to themselves!). But you know something? The display is quite bright, certainly good enough to watch TV with. So - if cost

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  43. Hi-Res Projectors and Games by blindpoetx · · Score: 1

    I read somewhere that the next generation of movie theater projects will be at 4096 * 2160. Would it be possible to get this resolution with a custom DIY projector? I want to know because I would like to experiment with developing games for this platform and I was wondering if I can hack one together. Hi-Res + Large Screen + Many Players = New Genre?

    1. Re:Hi-Res Projectors and Games by affinity · · Score: 0

      If the source screen you are magnifing is 4096*2160 then it should be possible.

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    2. Re:Hi-Res Projectors and Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This should be possible using 4 LCD panels and a virtual desktop, if you have issues with getting 4 VGA cards in to a box then you could us something like DMX and a couple or dual-headed machines. The biggest issue (apart from the size) is aligning the images; this can be done with careful projector placement or - if your feeling particularly adventurous - you could project the smaller converging images onto a mirror before they are magnified. This would mean that you only need to do the adjustment at build time (and occasionally; as parts tend to shift) however any mistakes you make will be magnified. The upside is that it will be easier to create the 4 images as one continuous image. Not tried this myself, would be interesting to hear from anyone thats attempted anything similar.

  44. just released? by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/ 14/1751205&tid=222&tid=196

    Looks like slashdot got scooped by... slashdot.

    No wait, reading TFA, that projector is actually higher quality than this one. This one just a homemade system like an "opaque projector", a system that has been sold on eBay for like 4 years. Wow, the slashvertisements never end, do they? slashdot sucks.

    Note to anyone who wants to make this, the image will be really really dim since it works on reflected light.

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    1. Re:just released? by Wikipedia · · Score: 0

      But with the money you'd save surely some good lighting would help.

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  45. Read what I said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, its a scam because they are charging for information that is freely avaliable elsewhere. It is also a scam because they are trying to monopolize information and access to people, thus basically making money off of other people's talents that they do not deserve.

    Scam.

    1. Re:Read what I said by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      The people do it because we want to do it. Not because we are obligated to do it. There are people that build them and they are gone after they finish. Others hang around helping people out and others work on new designs/improvments. You are not obligated to buy the guide and you can buy lenses at other places.
      If you have access to other locations to get the same level of help then that is great. However if they were open to the public you would have every nay sayer in the world posting on how the projector does not work and that its a scam yada yada. Its a community and you pay to get in to the community. What you consider to be a scam is a huge mound of resources to the next guy.

      So who exactly are they trying to scam? Are the scaming the people that pay for access or are they scamming the people that help the other people out? The people paying for access are getting what they paid for and that is help with their problems and a huge amount of detailed information on other peoples projector builds.

      I have posted on other DIY community boards and I have recieve 0 responses in the past. So I guess those sources of information are a true bargin for the 0 dollars spent.

  46. Super Bright White LEDS by evil666overlord · · Score: 1

    It's always baffled me why super bright white LEDs aren't used in any DIY projectors I've seen online as a relatively small array of them is capable of some very impressive light output at a fraction of the running costs or temperature produced by filament bulbs. They're not even that expensive anymore (certainly when compared to commercial projector bulbs) and could provide a much longer lifespan than filament bulbs.
    Sure, they may not be the 'perfect white' required by expensive commercial projectors but has anyone tried to use them in a DIY LCD projector.
    Also, what about those flourescent 'low energy bulbs' that claim to offer the equivelant light of a 100W tungsten bulb whilst drawing only 25W of light? Wouldn't using a grid of them behind the LCD screen with a small reflector behind the lamps provide enough light?

    1. Re:Super Bright White LEDS by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 1

      Metal halide bulbs are actually more efficient than LEDs, lumens-per-watt. The HDR display with the LED array behind it (can't remember name) uses watercooling, and it's not even trying to project anything.

  47. Use the best LCD panel you can afford by toybuilder · · Score: 1

    For truly enjoying projected images, you will want really solid blacks in addition to the brightest whites - the contrast ratio of the panel will determine how "washed out" the image will look.

    This is why most portable projectors these days use DLP/DMD "light mirrors" - because they can generate true black, and the DMD "light valves" can handle more heat than small LCD's that would otherwise be used in a portable projector.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that cheaper LCD's have a slow pixel response time -- for really enjoyable high-motion video, you'll want a fast response time - a single frame at 75Hz refresh is about 13ms, so if you get a cheap 25ms response LCD, things will looky mushy/ghosty when the images are in motion.

    If you're going through the time and hassle of building one of these, spend the money where it'll make the big difference -- and buy the LCD's with 500:1 or better contrast ratio, and 8ms or better response time.

    1. Re:Use the best LCD panel you can afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "because they can generate true black"

      No they can't. Not even the professional ones at movie theaters. Star Wars 3 looked pretty "washed out" when I saw it at a digital theater.

  48. WARNING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do not look into projector with remaining eye!

  49. Lumenlabs project not HD compatible? by numbski · · Score: 1

    I was able to scrounge a little information last time lumenlabs made /.

    That said, I wanted to wait a bit because the hiccups in trying to do this project with an LCD that could support 720p or 1080i were large enough for me to pass on it (not to mention I didn't know where to play the thing in the room I'd use it...plus heat generated by it was a concern)

    Has any progress been made in this department? Last I knew was that there were problems with the picture getting blurry around the edges, hot spots, and general clarity issues.

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    1. Re:Lumenlabs project not HD compatible? by teqguy · · Score: 1

      Both LumenLabs and DIYProjectorCompany[diyprojectorcompany.com] offer triplet lenses that will accomodate 17" or 19" monitors(which feature resolutions of up to 1280x1024), provided you use a 17" or 19" fresnel with an appropriate throw. Samsung, Sharp, and Toshiba also offer 15" LCD screens that support full 1080, but they require a controller card, as they're currently only being used in the Dell Inspiron. Together, they cost nearly $400. As far as progressive and interlace are concerned, they aren't factors when you're using an HTPC for output.

  50. Your solution is hackable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • For just $19.99, a Lumenlab Premium Membership will show you how!!
    • When you build it yourself you save big money!!
    • etc.!!
  51. See the real results yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try my website I have cost and other info.

    www.zachshacks.com

    The results from a similar projector build will suprise you.

  52. Creative Commons License by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    There's a big "Document created under the Creative Commons License" at the top of the document (although this could be faked) but then on page 4 there are links to the "Premium Forums" and the more detailed "Lumen-Lab Pro" version of the guide, both of which one has to pay for.

    I don't think the second part could be reasonably faked. Unless of course they H4x0r3d lumenlab.com...

  53. Re:Here's a simpler method of DIY projection by fishlet · · Score: 1

    Do you mean a projector panel LCD made for overheads? That's what I have, and it has served me well. But the color and contrast is pretty poor compared to anything you can buy new. I've been on the lookout for just the LCD element with VGA connectors but they don't seem to exist. I wouldn't mind stripping out a monitor if I knew it was going to be easy... but I've read plenty of horror stories of how they can be hard to disassemble. That, and most LCD screens are too big and tend to overlap the lighted area of your OHP.

    Maybe I'll just go out and buy one.

  54. Re:Same basic idea, but the execution is different by JohnBaleshiski · · Score: 1

    > Dude... this is someone who builds their own LCD projector. What wife? I have a wife and I'm going to build one when we get our house early next year. Of course, she told me not to waste my money and forbid me (almost) from doing it. That, my friends, is what the finished basement is for. She will have no say in what I can do or not do there. I'm going to heat our house in the winter not from oil, or gas, but from cpu exhaust. Of course you give up other things that that privilege - such as the rest of the house now belongs to her. :)

  55. Nothing new... But nice to see some exposure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oye, this has been around for YEARS.
    I have built 3 projectors myself. My current one I've been using over a year. Cost me arount $300cdn. Bulb has never failed. 1024x768 resolution. Awsome for gaming, even better for movies. My screen right now is close to 150". Sure the box is huge, but it sits on a table behind my couch, covered with a black drape to hide it.

    My reccomendation: Don't bother with lumenlabs. Their guide is good I hear, but it's not rocket science. You can get everything more that they offer there for free at www.diyprojectorcompany.com. Allan of DIY Projector Company is a good guy that has a bad reputation for poor service. That reputation is not entirely deserved but it's not all untrue. He frequently takes forever to ship orders. However, I have ordered from him about 4 times, and other than the fact that things usually have 1 month or more lead time I've always been happy with the price and quality of the goods. He is also slow to respond to emails, but very forthcoming, friendly, and a pleasure to deal with. The guids that he offers for free are good - but the information available in the forums is unmatched. I used to be the top poster in there for quite a while (KaveDude), but I havn't frequented those forums in quite some time.

    I highly reccomend DIY projectors, and I highly reccomend www.diyprojectorcompany.com.

    Cheers,
    Troy.

  56. Like open source -- free if your time is worthless by Radi-0-head · · Score: 1

    This project is pointless... add up all the time scrounging parts, building boxes, finding space to put this huge thing... for some people it's just not worth it.

    I picked up an Optoma DLP projector for $999 that does native XGA and has every input under the sun. It's small enough to fit in a backpack, super quiet, and gives excellent performance.

    The bulbs are expensive, yes... but with the purchase of an 3-yr warranty that costs less than a replacement bulb and still covers bulbs, I can leave the thing on 24/7 if I choose.

  57. Re:Like open source -- free if your time is worthl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The warranty covers the replacement bulbs for up to 3 years? Where did you buy this from?

  58. the big deal about Lumenlab is the SXGA projector by araczynski · · Score: 0

    i bought access to the site a long time ago, my goal was not the XGA projector, as my goal was for gaming, XGA gaming is a waste of time to me. The custom lenses that Lumenlab is finishing the production on will allow me to use 1280x1024 for my projector. now you tell me where i can get an SXGA projector for under 1k, WITH a bulb that will last me longer then a few months (of serious usage), and i'll go buy it. granted, this is not for those with no thumbs, as you do have to build it yourself, so if you lack the patience, then obviously you'll have to pay the big bucks to get a retail unit.

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  59. Re:Same basic idea, but the execution is different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude... this is someone who builds their own LCD projector. What wife?

    That would be the wife that smacked me upside my head for buying that USD$179.00 bargain Sony 4MP camera ("But honey, it was on SALE!" [thwack!]).

    Build it yourself is the only option in this case. And hope she doesn't take out the rolling pin for messing up a perfectly good 15" monitor.

  60. I almost did it... by RebornData · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...but a number of the drawbacks relative to commercial projectors put me off after I really researched it in-depth. Assuming that you already know that size, noise and heat are inherently worse with an overhead projector, there are some other issues:

    Throw distance / placement restrictions: most overhead projectors are designed to be used a presenter *at the front of the room*, while most people would prefer their front projection system to be located at the back. The el-cheapo overhead projectors have a single element lens with no ability to zoom- for a given screen size, the projector can only be put a specific, short distance from the screen. This is evident if you look at pictures of DIY projectors in action.

    There are overheads with two- and three- element lenses, but they are less common (harder to find used) and significantly more expensive new. Even then, the adjustability is limited- you still will need the projector close to the screen. Which makes the noise / heat / size issue much more significant.

    Uneven brightness: many overhead projectors have a significant "hot spot" in the center of the screen, and substantially dimmer edges. A three element lens will deal with this, but then again you're spending more than this kind of project justifies. Commercial projectors are much more consistent

    Contrast: Black isn't very black- LCD panels designed for monitors don't block the extremely bright projector light source very effectively, so the best you will get is a dark gray, substantially degrading image quality compared with a commercial projector (resolution and contrast are the twin holy grails of projection and display quality).

    Limited color gamut: I think one of the reasons overhead projector bulbs are so much cheaper is that they don't make pure white light. You can use color correction tools found in most video drivers to fix this to have more accurate color, but the side effect of such correction is to limit the range of color that can be displayed.

    Don't get me wrong- I'm not some videophile snob, but if I'm going to put time and effort into something, I want it to be done right, and there's a limit to how good the results will be with a DIY projector that has nothing to do with your craftsmanship or skills. Rather than building one myself, I'm holding off until I can justify buying a commercial unit (which may be never).

    But then again, I'm a professional with a family and a house. I would have been *all over* this in college- it's an awesome dorm room project.

    -R

  61. Re:Like open source -- free if your time is worthl by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

    Your warranty will cover it's replacement 1 time. The amount of time that is used on my projector would have burned your $400 bulb by now and I would be on my replacement.

    With that being said, each time you replace that bulb you could build another projector and have money left over to buy pizza and beer to watch movies on it.

    To be a DIYer is someone that values their money and manages their time, their time is not 'worthless' which means the project is not 'pointless'. The point is to save money and give the chance for someone that does not have thousands of dollars to build their own home theater to enjoy with the added bonus of knowing they built it all on their own. That feeling is priceless not worthless....

  62. DIY project for $10 by mcguyver · · Score: 1

    Behold, The Warper...This once secret recipe for home projectors is now your for free and made possible with only a frensel lens, cardboard box and some duck tape. Warning - I made one years ago in my dorm room. You could only make out shapes but it did the create cool colors on the wall.

    1. Re:DIY project for $10 by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      I like these!

      In short
      1. The TV/monitor is not bright enough to give you a watchable image.
      2. The screen is curved and you wont have full focus even if you did try to live with the dark image.
      3. If you do not invert your picture all the words will be backwards.
      4. If you turn your TV upside down it will possibly even ruin it.
      5. You will not be able to have every light in the room on much like these free big screen TV scam website show in their "actual" screen shots

  63. Good question, plus... by Grig · · Score: 1

    Anyone know how many of those LED's you would need to get enough light for a good projection?

    1. Re:Good question, plus... by Pyrettablaze · · Score: 1

      Thinking back when i was looking in to doing it, I thought i calculated over 1,000. But the final answer from many of the people in the know said they lack the intensity to carry the light the full projection distance.

    2. Re:Good question, plus... by OneDeeTenTee · · Score: 1

      Anyone know how many of those LED's you would need to get enough light for a good projection?

      All of them?

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  64. Too late... by itwasgreektome · · Score: 1

    Damn. Tomshardware had a REALLY good several page version of how to do this. That page has just recently been removed...I swear there has got to be a connection here. I can't even find it on the wayback machine. And google results are turning up negative. It used to be everywhere. I wonder if they fear lawsuit if they keep the page up when someone is trying to sell the same information? If you guys like this, try out www.makezine.com. It's a cool little magazine devoted to DIYers.

  65. Another Slashvertisement by yo5oy · · Score: 1

    Why is this even news? Just use google and you come up with thousands of hits. Yes, some of those are even relevant. DIY+projector

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  66. WUXGA by benow · · Score: 1

    It's a bit more money, but there is atleast one custom lcd panel/controller which'll do WUXGA (1920x1200) with DVI input for native 1080p HDTV.

    1. Re:WUXGA by SendBot · · Score: 1

      That screen's awesome, but it costs nearly what I paid for a 24" dell 2405fpw. Thanks for the link!

  67. Check your definitions. by pelrun · · Score: 1

    Actually, it's only a scam if they mislead you as to what you get for your money. If they're honest (and the LL folks are) then it can't be a scam. By definition.

    Hell, I can put a piece of cardboard with a scribble on it up on ebay for $1000 and it wouldn't be a scam if I actually advertised it as "piece of cardboard with scribble on it." (Some artists do it all the time! :D ) It would be a scam if I said it was a "fully fledged home theatre system with a bonus xbox360."

    Sure, the $1000 cardboard would be a ripoff. But the Lumenlab forums have such a wealth of information that the $20 is well worth it.

  68. I've built one by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I built one. My favorite reference, and probably the largest information collection and most active discussion, is at DIYAudio in the "Moving Images" section.

    Here's two photos of my results:
    http://lserve.homelinux.net:7780/PICT0056.jpg
    http://lserve.homelinux.net:7780/PICT0141.jpg

    The white bar on the lefthand side indicates one problem you'll have: the internal components of an LCD are very delicate. I can solder 0603 SMD resistors without breaking a sweat, or lift a 208-pin FPGA from a circuit board without damaging either, but I still managed to tear one of the mylar edge connector ribbons loose. Fortunately it was right along the edge and there's still plenty of usable viewing area. I do have another monitor I'll use to replace the broken one, but for now it works.

    You do need a fairly dim room, but the image is definitely bright enough. I use a 400W metal halide, but I don't have a reflector so that's one possible way I could upgrade the projector another 30% in brightness. And the cheap lenses have a short focal length, there is no zoom control and to fill an entire 8-foot-high wall, the lens is only 10 feet away. Makes couch placement difficult. I ended up putting my couches in an angled arrangement with the projector in between. Kind of like this: \./ except a shallower angle.

    Anyway I like it and it was definitely worth the pain, misfortune, and expense.

    1. Re:I've built one by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      Do you have an estimate on the lumins that your projector puts out?

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  69. It was called "The Warper" for a reason... by pelrun · · Score: 1

    At least they're honest about their product not having marvellous image quality :) What they were using it for is about the most appropriate use for the single-fresnel-cardboard-box design.

  70. white leds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about using white leds? a lot of them should generate enough lumens

  71. On a college budget? by andyatkinson · · Score: 1

    I interviewed my friend Josh about his projector. He took a "I don't give a shit how it looks" approach and now has an 8' by 8' screen in his living room with 150 bucks in parts off eBay. Check out the pictures and crappy 320x240 videos!

    http://paininthetech.com/build_your_own_projector

  72. Here it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the Tom's Hardware article is here.

  73. "holodeck"? by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    If I can make a projector at home I'm wondering when porn will be shot from three angles at once...

  74. Mirror!!! DIRECT DOWNLOAD! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  75. MOD THIS UP by EMIce · · Score: 1

    Informative post gets buried.

  76. Re:Like open source -- free if your time is worthl by Radi-0-head · · Score: 1

    Best Buy (yeah, I know... shitty place)... but:

    Their extended warranty does in fact cover bulbs. I was so flabbergasted to hear this that I made the manager add it in writing with a signature on my service contract.

    The bulb is considered an intergral part of the unit and is obviously essential to its operation. Thus, any failure of the bulb constitutes a failure of the unit.

    The nice part is, if the unit fails for any reason more than three times, I get a brand new projector of equal or greater spec.

  77. It's offensive to have to pay for DIY information by hellomynameisclinton · · Score: 1

    There are several other communities out there that openly discuss designs, and issues. For starters, theres:

    www.diyaudio.com (under The Moving Image), and for parts, rather than buying from lumenlab, try www.diyprojectorcompany.com (they have a forum too, but it's not quite as much fun in my experience as diyaudio's.

    I hope someone else takes the initiative to organize the wiki on diyaudio to classify the different designs and projects by cost, type, and difficulty, but it'll probably wait until I get around to it myself.

  78. Re:It's offensive to have to pay for DIY informati by hellomynameisclinton · · Score: 1

    Oh Yeah, There's also www.diybuildergroup.com/forums

  79. Re:Same basic idea, but the execution is different by smyle · · Score: 1
    She will have no say in what I can do or not do there.

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    ...and the rest of the house still belongs to her.

    (In the off-chance she runs across this someday: I love you, honey!)
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