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Google to Distribute Online Video Ads

sufijazz writes to mention an AP story about Google's plan to start distributing online video ads. From the article: "The video expansion, announced late Monday, will affect thousands of Web sites that rely on Google to post ads related to the surrounding material on a page. For instance, a news story about housing might prompt Google to display an ad for real estate agents. Google isn't allowing the video ads to appear on its own Web site -- a heavily trafficked destination that produced 58 percent of its $2.25 billion in revenue during the first three months of this year."

186 comments

  1. Adblocker by samsonov · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Another good reason to get an ad blocker. Course you have to actually play the ad:

    The appeal of Google's video ads might be dampened by controls that will prevent the messages from automatically streaming across a Web page. Google instead will display graphics promoting video ads that won't be played unless a viewer clicks on a play button.
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    1. Re:Adblocker by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Before I RTFA I was going to post "Thanks Google, you'll be forcing me to finally install an ad blocker"

      But after RTFA I see that half the posts in here are misguided.

      There is one issue though: can javascript on the pages click the ad causing them to auto-play? If so, it's bad for both users and for Google - from Google's (and its customers) perspective it will be a new form of click fraud. From users' perspective, it'll suck because their bandwidth will be used up for these ads. How can Google police such activites with its affiliates?

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    2. Re:Adblocker by Dorceon · · Score: 1

      The javascript security model should prevent this. Assuming the ad is in an iframe (like their text ads), javascript on the host page can't touch it because it's not from the same domain as the rest of the page's content.

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  2. More money for the ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    The people running on a minimum broadband connection or dialup will simply be forced to upgrade if they don't want to see their whole WWW experience crawl to a stop (literally)

    1. Re:More money for the ISPs by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      The people running on a minimum broadband connection or dialup will simply be forced to upgrade if they don't want to see their whole WWW experience crawl to a stop (literally)
      That's only if the ads will stream automatically, which apparently, they very well may not. Otherwise it'd be like loading any other banner ad.

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  3. Strategy? by phy_si_kal · · Score: 0, Redundant

    This seems quite strange, if we consider that AdWords was the first miracle for Google's business in 2000.
    Do people really want to see video ads? Isn't it even more disturbing than banners? I hate the flash video ads in imdb for example. In the beginning, they even had sound turned on by default!
    Google isn't completely stupid, since they won't try this on their own site... Maybe only a move to suggest bad ideas to its competitors ;)

  4. On every site that uses AdSense? by Centurix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nearly every site will blast annoying sounds out the instant I visit the page? We'll have to surf porn with the sound turned down?

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    1. Re:On every site that uses AdSense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      omg it's so funny cuz he said porn

      hurry slashdotters, mod this up to prove to the rest of the world that you find porn funny

      because omg it's funny - porn

    2. Re:On every site that uses AdSense? by iwsnet · · Score: 0

      I wonder if there is a minimum bid for running video ads on sites. I bet that Google will charge a premium for videos and will have to share it with the sites.

  5. Whew, good thing I RTFA by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTA: "The appeal of Google's video ads might be dampened by controls that will prevent the messages from automatically streaming across a Web page. Google instead will display graphics promoting video ads that won't be played unless a viewer clicks on a play button."

    The appeal to me is precisely that I don't have to watch the ads if I don't want to. Thank goodness.

    Of course, advertisers are probably less enthused -- but I'm sure major brands understand that potential customers do get pissed off by intrusive advertising.

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    1. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by myspys · · Score: 2, Funny

      but I'm sure major brands understand that potential customers do get pissed off by intrusive advertising.

      what dream-world do you live in? got room for one more?

    2. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Understanding that consumers get pissed off is different than not caring that they get pissed off. But ever notice that it's no longer as common to have video ads 'hijack' your browser when visiting websites?

      Anecdotally, I recall a couple years ago when it was impossible to visit a commercial website without having a video ad superimposed over the web page (closeable or not). I don't notice it as much anymore -- either the wembasters realize that it kills their traffic, or advertisers are realizing that it doesn't help their sales.

      But either way, video advertising is a lot less intrusive on the web than it was a couple years ago, IMO.

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    3. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Andrewkov · · Score: 3, Funny
      I recall a couple years ago when it was impossible to visit a commercial website without having a video ad superimposed over the web page (closeable or not). I don't notice it as much anymore

      You didn't happen to switch to Firefox with adblock around that time, did you? ;)

    4. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Evro · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Google have to do this to comply with the Eolas patent?

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    5. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by roger_ford · · Score: 1

      Of course, advertisers are probably less enthused....

      I suspect advertisers would gladly give up some of the exposure they get from streaming video ads in exchange for more information about who sees their ads and how popular a certain ad is (or how many times it gets clicked-and-streamed). One of the eternal problems with television advertising is that advertisers have little idea how much their message is actually being heard and seen, and by whom; there are ratings, but they're a very crude measurement of the actual demographic impact of an ad. You can learn much more about your audience on the web -- age, income, sex, how long they see the ad, &c. This is a big reason why the web is becoming an important place for advertising.

    6. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Very good point. And the demographics of people who DO click through is especially useful info, far more useful than those who just automatically view the ad... it helps to know who the sucke^H^H^H^H^H potentially interested customers are, and how successful your ads are at targeting your market.

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    7. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Xugumad · · Score: 1

      Anyone that's unhappy about this clearly hasn't ever seen someone alt-f4 (or cmd-W if you're into that sort of thing) a browser window when it unexpectedly starts producing sound, and never look back.

      (And, in my case, find and install AdBlock as a direct result)

    8. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't click on Flash ads either but, more often than not, Firefox's NukeAnythingEnhanced is unable to get rid of them. Sure, I could get Flashblock as well but I've had some problems with Flashblock in the past.

      My major concern is being able to remove them as well with NAE regardless of if the icon is tasteful or not. So long as I can do that, I doubt I'll be as bothered with them as I am about video that automatically plays (pointing at you, ESPN.com).

    9. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      I'm sure major brands understand that potential customers do get pissed off by intrusive advertising.

      Nope. My adBlock list can attest to that.
      I'm glad I won't have to make it grow to include * from google though! ...for now

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    10. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, annoying, flashy ads like the one on the article page get adblocked to oblivion.

    11. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only stupid advertisers would be less enthused. If I were to advertize, Iprefer people watching my ads to be interested in watching an ad (because they are looking for something to buy) rather than be irritated by it because it is forced on them. Invasive ads do NOT promote a product. If you associate a widely publicised product to an annoying propaganda experience you will not necessarily be interested in purchasing it. Thats how I end up never watching highly publicised and overhyped movies like the Da Vinci Code. I get fed up just from the ads and the noise surrounding it. Intrusive ads lose me as a client, and from what I read lots of the Slashdot crowd. I know many non-geeks who are also annoyed no end by them. I think part of Googles success so far is that their ads are unubtrusive. I have clicked on Google ads when I was looking for stuff. Never on other search engines. The graphics just turn me off. Too agressive.

    12. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Frogmanalien · · Score: 1

      I read the article and feel thoroughly confused- are you telling me that google is placing adverts for video adverts on webpages? Cause if you have to click on them, aka clicking on a link to see them, why do you want to do that? Why not go straight to the site in question and watch a video advert that way.

      If what they're suggesting, and I think they are, is a google vid/flash embedded style video advert style (ala youtube), you'll still be wasting your bandwidth downloading them (if I'm not wrong, I haven't check how flash video works fully) regardless of whether or not you press play!

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    13. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Buran · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Google have to do this to comply with the Eolas patent?

      Google doesn't provide the browser; they're just providing the media. The patent covers how the browser handles the display, not what is being displayed.

    14. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by jlarocco · · Score: 1
      The appeal to me is precisely that I don't have to watch the ads if I don't want to.

      The appeal to me is that these ads will probably get blocked by my existing filters, just like the rest of Google's ads. Let them show blinking pop-ups with sound and Flash for all I care, I'll never see them. Sometimes I almost forget that websites even have ads.

    15. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by Khalid · · Score: 1

      Well I am against intrusive ads too; but when you systematicaly kill ads that are the site your are visiting which are often its main source of revenue you are not doing him a favor, they are is in some sens the price you are paying to visit the site and you are taking a free ride. The alternative is a real paying site. If you want to support a site you appreciate, don't block the ads the site si displaying its as simple as that.

    16. Re:Whew, good thing I RTFA by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      It depends. If a website I regularly visit begins to run generally distracting ads, I will likely remove them with NAE or simply find another site to visit. I imagine most popular sites generally run tasteful ads to not upset their fanbase or because they have more leeway with the companies and ads they can select versus the fledgling site just out of the gates.

      Honestly, I nuke ads the most from slashdot links just so I can read the articles in peace. I don't think I regularly visit those sites anyway.

      However, you bring up a good point. But I prefer to donate to the website directly. Some sites have paypal links so I can do such. It's not as distracting and the site still benefits. Granted, not everyone will donate so I imagine it would be interesting to see what percentage do.

  6. Re:Again?? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Dial-up users will be delighted!

    I don't think they'll mind to much - from tfa:
    Google instead will display graphics promoting video ads that won't be played unless a viewer clicks on a play button.
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  7. Eolas patent by scsa · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the Eolas patent "Click To Activate" crap ever makes it to Firefox, I'll have to click on the ad to have it rammed down my throat? Sure, of course I will. If I didn't, it'd be like stealing the Internet.

    1. Re:Eolas patent by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I've noticed when youtube movies are linked onto pages they already do the click to view thing.

      I actually prefer it in this kind of context.

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    2. Re:Eolas patent by MooUK · · Score: 1

      The article says that apparently google's video ads will have to be clicked to play by the user anyway.

    3. Re:Eolas patent by creepynut · · Score: 1

      So:
      Click to activate plugin (Flash)
      and then, Click to start ad.

      Seems like a lot of work to view a viagra ad, no?

  8. Truly unfortunate by emorphien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only is this a waste of bandwidth, but Google became so popular because of their clear, textual interface. And that included their ads which were usually easily visible and not obnoxious to look at. I will actually click on relevant text links, but I don't click on banner ads or video ads, ever.

    Hopefully this won't turn out as bad as it sounds.

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    1. Re:Truly unfortunate by analysethis · · Score: 2, Informative

      FTFH: "Google isn't allowing the video ads to appear on its own Web site "

    2. Re:Truly unfortunate by forand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps you didn't RTFA but as another reader pointed out: the advertisements will not stream unless the user click on it. So they will not be wasteing bandwidth nor will they be putting annoying video everywhere. If the user wants to click on an ad for something then they get a "better" experience. Seems like the same old Google to me: give the people only what they want. So you and I won't see the ads and someone who might actually buy what is being advertised will.

  9. Any option for adsense users? by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >> The appeal of Google's video ads might be dampened by controls that will prevent the messages from automatically streaming across a Web page. Google instead will display graphics promoting video ads that won't be played unless a viewer clicks on a play button.

    Its close, but still - what if I dont want any video ad appearing on my website through adsense? Do people have choice of "only text"/"text and video"/"video only"?

    1. Re:Any option for adsense users? by MooUK · · Score: 1

      Well, they've always have the choice between various images and text formats before from Google. I doubt this will be any different.

    2. Re:Any option for adsense users? by Peturrr · · Score: 1

      There always have been the option to specify the content of the ads appearing on your site.
      You can choose between graphical ads en text ads. I'm quite confident they will add another option for this video ads.

    3. Re:Any option for adsense users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      what if I dont want any video ad appearing on my website through adsense? Do people have choice of "only text"/"text and video"/"video only"?

      I don't use adsense, but as far as I know, Google also has banner advertising already and they give you a choice between banner or text ads. I can't see google forcing you to use the new video ads. They'll most likely give you a choice.

    4. Re:Any option for adsense users? by Proteus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do people have choice of "only text"/"text and video"/"video only"?

      Considering that Google already serves image ads through AdSense, and that AdSense subscribers can choose not to have image ads on their site, it's a good bet that sites will be able to opt-out of displaying video ads as well.

      It's a shame I can't set a cookie in my browser (or something) that tells Google I have no interest in video ads. The advertisers would like it because they wouldn't waste an impression on an annoyed viewer, and the users would like it because they can choose what kinds of ads to view.

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    5. Re:Any option for adsense users? by ems2 · · Score: 1

      An advertiser only gets charged when the play button is pushed. Obviously, this will attracted advertisers interested in such business. I only hope the play button is not flash. I'll contact some Google employees with my suggestion.

    6. Re:Any option for adsense users? by basic0 · · Score: 1

      It's not about impressions and whether or not you click on their ad and buy something immediately. It's about branding your web-surfing experience. You may think that the ad for Brand X is obnoxious and not click on it out of principle, but whoever is advertising Brand X just exposed your brain to their brave corporate logo for the N'th time in your life. It adds up on a subconscious level. Check out "No Logo" by Naomi Klein (ISBN: 0312421435) and "The Corporation" by Joel Bakan (ISBN: 0743247469).

    7. Re:Any option for adsense users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they don't seem to care about is that their brands are associated with negative feelings. I've collected quite a list of companies whose products I will never knowingly buy because they have intruded on my personal entertainment with obnoxious advertising. Brand resentment is only brand equity in the convoluted mind of advertisers. For me it means that I purchase other goods. There's no way that I'm going to pay companies to annoy me. I doubt I'm alone in that.

  10. They should change their logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    from Do no Evil to We are the Source of all Evil.

    Video ads will just use up a lot of bandwidth, make pages relying on google ads load slow, and be a real annoyance worse than banner ads and popups. Why aren't they doing it on their own page? Simple - they know that it makes whatever page that it shows up on look like crap and load slow.

    1. Re:They should change their logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      from Do no Evil to We are the Source of all Evil.
      It's not a logo...it's a motto.
      It's not "Do No Evil"...it's "Don't Be Evil".

      But other than that, you make a strong argument.
      Advertisements are obviously the source of all evil.
    2. Re:They should change their logo by SMS_Design · · Score: 1

      You have no concept of what evil is. If the only evil affecting your life is the advertisement on a website, you're too comfortable.

      Besides, these ads do NOT autoplay. Stop complaining about the bandwidth and such when YOU KNOW it's not true. I swear, slashdotters will look straight past the facts if they have an opportunity to complain.

    3. Re:They should change their logo by Buran · · Score: 1

      I swear, slashdotters will look straight past the facts if they have an opportunity to complain.

      Wouldn't be Slashdot without those people and the ones who don't even bother to read the article before whining.

    4. Re:They should change their logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA!

    5. Re:They should change their logo by ChildeRoland · · Score: 1

      word.

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  11. Re:Again?? by OctoberSky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is really not much to bitch about here. It is a still ad with the ability to become a video ad.

    Slashdot already has those fancy Microsoft video ads, and thiers are set to autoplay! Although, thank FSM, they are muted from the start and the user gets to activate the sound.

  12. *sigh* by amazon10x · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Well, before this I had not blocked Google ads because they were not annoying and didn't waste much bandwidth. Now they have switched to video they can welcome themselves to my HOSTS file.

    1. Re:*sigh* by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

      It is a still image unless you click play to view it. It is a maximum of 2 minutes long.
      Regards,
      Steve

    2. Re:*sigh* by radja · · Score: 1

      image ads get blocked. I didn't ask for them. I don't go around following people and shouting my name in their ear either.

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    3. Re:*sigh* by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, people like you are going to ruin the internet. Something has to pay for all this free stuff. If the ads are relevant and not popping up all over the place, there is no reaosn to block them.
      Regards,
      Steve

    4. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If the ads are relevant and not popping up all over the place"

      Which is why text-based and targetted ads are so great. The further you go from this simplicity the more tempting it is to use things like Adblock.

  13. Re:I have a recommendation by Feminist-Mom · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    To sell what product exactly ? In any case, I think it is so popular just because the woman in it is attractive in an off beat kind of way.

  14. Re:Again?? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot has ads?

    *fires up IE*

    Damnit you're right! ;-)

    and yes, your point was completely valid, if the /. crowd can accept video ads (from MS no less), then the rest of the internet will lap up video ads that aren't forced on you.

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  15. Re:Google Briefcase by mlk · · Score: 1

    Unoffical, but GDrive?

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  16. Don't do evil by macz · · Score: 0, Redundant

    to my Bandwidth!

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  17. Why not any Flash content? by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm puzzled, there has been some speculation of Google working on Flash ads support, but I didn't expect videos to make it before Flash.

    Of course, the video player of Google (the online one) is working inside Flash, and uses Flash video, but why not allow *any* Flash content as an ad?

    For once, what would be a 1MB video could easily fit into less than 100k vector and procedural (scripting enhanced) animation using the full toolset of Flash.

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    Of course, last but not least, I wonder where is the promise of Google to always deliver light non-intrusive ads. Text-only ads were so great, but soon polluted by big image banner ads (not on the Google's site yet, but on google ad enhanced sites), and now... videos.

    Google is walking on a thin line right now.

    1. Re:Why not any Flash content? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Informative
      For once, what would be a 1MB video could easily fit into less than 100k vector and procedural (scripting enhanced) animation using the full toolset of Flash.

      Because then the advertiser has to pay some Flash artist for who knows how long to magic them up a snazzy SWF file with who knows how many individually designed and programmed elements, instead of what is probably some idiot-proof tool to simply drag-and-drop an MPEG of their existing TV ads into.

    2. Re:Why not any Flash content? by antic · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's to do with Google Video? Get everything in the same format and then combine them to provide something along the more fluid lines of television (video ad ad video ad, etc).

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    3. Re:Why not any Flash content? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm puzzled, there has been some speculation of Google working on Flash ads support, but I didn't expect videos to make it before Flash.


      It's not speculation - it's a reality. Google has already began serving Flash animated ads. I don't know if they still do or not - I began to block them as soon as the first one showed up.

      Side note - that ad was for Burger King. The fact that I remember this might be proof that the ad worked. However, the fact that I now immediately associate "Burger King" with "crappy advertising" rather than food might also be telling (I also noted they're jumping on the MySpace / FOX TV show download marketing scheme - and you thought McDonald's was desperate).
    4. Re:Why not any Flash content? by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I saw that one (the BK flash ad) come up on one of the sites I admin. Ugh.

    5. Re:Why not any Flash content? by edgr · · Score: 1

      TFA wasn't very detailed, so maybe they've just classed anything moving as "video".

    6. Re:Why not any Flash content? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      associate "Burger King" with "crappy advertising" rather than food might also be telling

      As I was driving around town yesterday... I was amused by the thought of how repugnant I find fast food places. Somewhere along the line I stopped looking at McDs, BK, Hardees, Wendy's as suitable places to get a bite to eat.

      Instead, I go looking for the local diner or greasy spoon. Probably just as bad for me, but the food is often made by the owners of the place and it's nice to get waited on at the counter. (I know of at least one diner in Camp Hill PA where the owners are the cooks.)

      Heck, become a regular (and a decent tipper) at a diner for long enough and the waitress will bring you your favorite drink as soon as you sit down.

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    7. Re:Why not any Flash content? by SimHacker · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Flash, I'm still waiting for you to answer the question about why you claim FLEX does not lock you into Flash. What's your definition of "vendor lock-in", and why do you claim that FLEX isn't a textbook example?

      -Don

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    8. Re:Why not any Flash content? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for you to answer

      Dude, I'm afraid of you. You've posted 22 comments in the Laszlo thread regurgitating basically the same thing like a lunatic, and now spilling it over in other threads.

      Are you obsessed with me or something? You can't get on with your life unless I agree Flex is teh evil vendor lock-in?

      I could speak for hours how Laszlo's DHTML is merely a beta and doesn't really work well (tested it), or how it existed for ages with just Flash support, or how Laszlo wouldn't exist if Macromedia didn't open the specs of Flash and invited the community to write SWF compatible apps, or how many open-source Flash players are out there and so on and so on.

      But I'll just pass, since apparently you have some sort of bigger problem that I doubt talking with me will solve.

    9. Re:Why not any Flash content? by SimHacker · · Score: 1

      Dude, I think you're more afraid of standing up for your own words, than you're afraid of me. Grow some guts.

      FYI, I posted 22 comments because the discussion was about an article I wrote, and it was my web server that got slashdotted. I was simply answering questions and correcting mistakes. You made a lot of big mistakes, so I posted several replies to correct you. You still haven't addressed your biggest mistake: claiming that FLEX does not lock you into Flash. It's an obviously false and ridiculous statement for you to have made, and I'm calling you on it, but you keep try to avoid answering perfectly legitimate questions about your own words. Do you take it back, or can you answer the simple questions I asked?

      -Don

      PS: BOO!

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    10. Re:Why not any Flash content? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Dude, I think you're more afraid of standing up for your own words, than you're afraid of me. ... You made a lot of big mistakes, so I posted several replies to correct you.

      Ok here's my last attempt, and I swear you're pissing me off, because I'll have to repeat myself AGAIN:

      Regarding speed and framework:

      I've said two or three times they don't target the same player. Technically they target a thing called "Flash Player" but they target different runtimes inside the player with a different rendering engine and a different runtime, for Flex 2 it's a JIT engine that has a lot more elegant programming model and it's a lot faster. The fact that Laszlo has an initiative (with no actual product at the moment) to support: this is great, I'm not slamming Laszlo, just correcting you about saying Flex 2 isn't producing faster and more elegantly designed content.

      Regarding FREE:

      All you need to develop fully functional applications is the SDK. The SDK contains the compiler, the components *source* and the documentation. It's just like the, say, free Intel compilers, .NET compilers, DirectX SDK, QuickTime SDK and so on.

      With this free SDK alone you can develop Flex 2 commercial (or non-commercial) applications.
      There are few projects underway for existing open source ActionScript editors to support the SDK so that you don't need the sub $1000 IDE from Macromedia. This means, your cost of entry is $0.

      If you want to buy the Macromedia IDE: then good, if you don't want to, you don't have to. You'll have plenty of alternatives. One thing is certain though, Macromedia did a hell of a lot of a better job doing their IDE than Laszlo did. I urge you to install Flex 2's Eclipse plugin beta and try it.

      What does the server do? The server makes developing huge interconnected services and applications a lot easier. It's tightly integrated with the rest of the Macromedia product and Macromedia provides support for those who order the server.

      There's no one-size-fits-all here, and the server is mostly useful for bigger enterprises, I personally as a Flash/AJAX/Flex 2 developer find some interesting stuff in it, but nothing I can't do with the free open source AMFPHP already, so I'll just pass on the server, but a lot of enterprises might be interested in it for reasons I as a leader of a small team don't care.

      From your posts it's obvious you don't have programming experience with Flex 2, but I have programming experience with both Flex 1 and 2, and also Laszlo, claiming Laszlo is more features is totally unfounded. You're just throwing FUD "out there" in the blind in the hope it'll sound right enough.

      But... but the server is free with Laszlo!!!

      For a long time it wasn't free. Laszlo was a commercial closed source project created with the intent to profit. Apparently it didn't really work so they opened it as a part of a strategy to keep the project alive.

      The fact that product "X" offers some sort of free server and product "Y" offers a commercial server, doesn't mean both servers do remotely the same as a purpose or features. And again, Laszlo wanted to *sell* the server, but failed, so they made it free after some time. Your view is extremely naive.

      Flex 2 teh vendor lock-in! 1111

      When you program for Linux, they don't offer direct Windows .EXE output.
      When you get an AJAX framework from Yahoo, Google or SourceForge, it doesn't output Flash.
      There are different tools for different frameworks. Is every single one of them a conspiracy effort to lock you in?

      Am I not locked into Laszlo's IDE and framework, never mind my output? My end users may pick the slow (and currently buggy), limited DHTML support, but if I have 10 MB of Laszlo code, do *I* as a developer get to choose?

      Unless I port my code, I don't. And this is not an evil conspiracy, it's a natural effect: all frameworks differ in some ways, we all have a different vision

    11. Re:Why not any Flash content? by SimHacker · · Score: 1

      You've been ignoring what I say and forcing me to repeat myself many times, and you actually complained that I posted too many messages to the discussion about my own article, because you made me repeat myself so often by not listening to what I said. But you're not pissing me off, you're just making me laugh.

      "Regarding speed and framework": I will again repeat myself and say that OpenLaszlo is targetting the new SWF9 player (Flash 8.5), and taking advantage of its advanced features. So yes, they do target the same SWF9 player. If you had read what I wrote, I wouldn't have to repeat myself.

      "Regarding "*FREE*"": (as you punctuated it, without disclaimers). The prices are not even announced yet, but they are much greater than zero, and the source code is proprietary. Unbundling parts and gerrymandering the definition of what FLEX is doesn't cut it. There is a world of difference between true "Free Open Source Software" and "*FREE*" as you define it with all the disclaimers you were forced to add later.

      Are you going to try to make the same argument as the astroturfing Adobe employee on the FLEX team who tried to claim that OpenLaszlo wasn't really "true open source" because it didn't satisfy his own personal definition (that also excluded Linux)? Scott spanked him and he hasn't tried that argument again. And then you flip-flop around and apply your TOTALLY DIFFERENT definition of "*FREE*" to FLEX, which is absolutely a proprietary product?

      You're not pissing me off, you're making me laugh with your back-pedaling rationalizations about how, well, you know, oh, no, you personally aren't actually interested in the "under $10,000" FLEX product because it's useless and duplicated by open source software, so that justified calling it "*FREE*". If they charge "under $10,000" for something useless, then can you please explain why? Are they trying to DISCOURAGE developers from using it because they're planning on scuttling the product, just like they scuttled SVG? You're the one raising these uncomfortable questions for Adobe with your ridiculous statements.

      Free in the sense used by OpenLaszlo mean the ENTIRE source code of the compiler and all other parts of the system is available under an approved Free Open Source License. Ironically, you're trying to apply a much worse and more constrained definition of "*FREE*" to FLEX, while at the same time an Adobe employee is trying to question the well understood definition of "Free Open Source Software" as applied to OpenLaszlo. We can have this discussion when Adobe publishes the entire source code for all parts of FLEX under an approved Open Source license, but right now there is no discussion.

      "But... but the server is free with Laszlo!!!" By your very own argument, for a long time FLEX wasn't free, and now parts of it are. Sounds like a REACTION to OpenLaszlo being true Free Open Source Software to me. Is OpenLaszlo tained because they used to charge a lot of money for it? Then FLEX is just as tainted, too! Is it evil for OpenLaszlo to go from a proprietary pricing model to Free Open Source Software? Then Adobe is even more evil, because FLEX isn't even open source, and you can't get or modify the source code. What good is that, anyway?

      "Flex 2 teh vendor lock-in! 1111": Laszlo was DESIGNED to target multiple runtimes, from BEFORE the first line of code was written. The fact that it first targeted Flash is beside the point. There HAS to be a first runtime. GCC first targeted 68000

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    12. Re:Why not any Flash content? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      :( jeez I really feel bad about you

    13. Re:Why not any Flash content? by SimHacker · · Score: 1

      Then stop saying you're never going to reply to me again, then replying to me!

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  18. Re:Again?? by OctoberSky · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "Slashdot has ads? *fires up IE*"

    Sorry, I completely forget about Ad-Block and similar features within user setups that are available. I am at work, I have to get the slow served, full featured internet. God forbid I try and save my office some bandwidth by editing my System32 "hosts" file.

  19. MOD PARENT DOWN, RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to click play for it to play the video.

  20. what ads? by p51d007 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I didn't know webpages had ads? Really?? Every once in while one will slip through, but a nice right click, block and bye bye ads! I'm sure this will be the next "battleground" the ad providers vs the ad blockers....

    1. Re:what ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And if enough people do it you'll se more and more sites switching to subscription models and ditching ads completely. Of course then you won't have the option of shoplifting content by blocking ads.

    2. Re:what ads? by KimmoA · · Score: 1

      Scum.

    3. Re:what ads? by Buran · · Score: 1

      Scum.

      Oh yeah, those ads often sure are scum. Punch the monkey? Give me a break. (That one is a lot of why I, too, block ads. They had their chance and blew it. I'm scum for giving people chances and then giving them second chances and then saying "OK, you're dead to me now"?

      I'll continue surfing in peace, thanks. Have fun living Minority Report.

    4. Re:what ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blocking ads isn't shop-lifting content. When you send a GET request for a page to a web server it responds with some text. Selectively deciding which text to display and deciding how to display it is perfectly natural. The web was never meant to be a magazine and it's not architected as one no matter how badly web designers want to pretend otherwise.

      I for one welcome subscription web content. It will do much to improve the quality of web content, because then people will have to make explicit agreements with potential clients instead of making money off of click fraud and search-engine optimization. Companies like Google will no longer be able to pump stock with hype relying on nebulous revenue models with rampant fraud, and will have to convince customers that their services are actually worth paying for as justification for their valuation. Even sites filled to the brim with insipid spam such as Slashdot would benefit from tossing in the towel and requiring people to subscribe to view and post content. Slashdot would have a much harder time getting away with sensationalistic captions and duplicated articles from editors that don't even bother to read their own site. Posters would have to care enough about what they were going to say to pay to say it. In short there'd be far less crap because far fewer people such as yourself that thinks glossing over an advertisement for a product you don't even buy constitutes payment for content.

    5. Re:what ads? by jlarocco · · Score: 1
      And if enough people do it you'll se more and more sites switching to subscription models and ditching ads completely. Of course then you won't have the option of shoplifting content by blocking ads.

      It would be nice, but I don't think it will happen. If a website consistently offers useful content, that I can't get anywhere else, I'ld gladly subscribe if the price isn't outrageous. I'm sure many people wouldn't like it, but at the same time, I believe most people don't mind paying for information that's useful to them. If someone wants to make money off of the information they have, they can charge me. Until then, I don't owe them shit, "ad-views" or otherwise.

      The only people who really have to fear a subscription based internet are people making money off of worthless content hidden by tons of ads.

      And while that may be the case, I don't see the internet going to the subscription model any time soon. It'd have to happen all at once. I don't mind paying for decent info, but I'm not going to pay for it if I can get similar content free on another site.

  21. not so bad by swanriversean · · Score: 4, Informative


    The appeal of Google's video ads might be dampened by controls that will prevent the messages from automatically streaming across a Web page. Google instead will display graphics promoting video ads that won't be played unless a viewer clicks on a play button.

    The activation feature could discourage many advertisers from signing up for the new video service, said Jupiter Research analyst David Card. "This isn't going to be a game changer for Google, but it gives them a much richer palette."
    </FTA>

    It really isn't that bad, although I don't know how many people are going to click the ads. I'm sure some will to start, just for the novalty, but over time, I doubt this will be a big revenue generator for Google (wasn't that an original opinion considering the quote from Mr. Card!).

    I wonder if the video will work on *nix anyway, and if it doesn't, whose going to bother installing the codec and plugin to make it work?

    Google could get themselves into trouble though, if they let those pictures be animated, but I'm sure they know not to do that, otherwise they would just have the video start automatically.

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    1. Re:not so bad by a302b · · Score: 1
      It really isn't that bad, although I don't know how many people are going to click the ads. I'm sure some will to start, just for the novalty, but over time, I doubt this will be a big revenue generator for Google

      Ummmm... I actually think it will be a big deal. Essentially, a video ad that no-one clicks on is a full graphical ad. On top of that, anyone who actually feels like clicking on it can get a full video hit. So it serves two types of people at once.

      Personally, I find even graphical ads extremely annoying! This is the one reason I found Google's ads at least tolerable. But it looks like things are spiraling downhill. I find it quite telling that they are hosting video ads for others while keeping their own webite clean and simple. Apparently, the "do no evil" philosophy doesn't extend to what they are offering to others. Honestly, It is amazing what some webmasters can do to make even textual ads aggravating! I remember going to one site that was a full page of various Google ads and then after scrolling to the bottom a small link with the article I was looking for. Sigh.

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  22. Re:Ah yes just what we need by wwwoliondorcom · · Score: 0, Offtopic
  23. Re:Ah yes just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, the IPS's should *charge* Google for this!!

  24. Re:Again?? by NickFitz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazing... as I write there are 17 top-level posts of which 11 are saying something to the effect that "OMFG!!! Waste of bandwidth! All these sites are gonna be really slow!!! I'm editing my hosts file..." etc.

    This means that fully 64.7% of Slashdot readers are so eager to rant on (not having read TFA) that they don't even mind making themselves look like utter fools, proudly displaying their complete ignorance of the matter under discussion, their inability to understand the facts before formulating an opinion, and their general desperate need for upwards moderation, which is the only kind of "social" approbation they can ever hope for.

    As many have pointed out, including in this thread: you have to choose to see the video. Now can you all calm down and learn to think? There's an interesting discussion to be had about this, and the morons' chorus is drowning it out.

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  25. Adblock FTW by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

    Well, previously I haven't been blocking Google's ads because they were just text. I guess that will change now.

    I'm sure as hell not wasting my bandwidth downloading a VIDEO every time I visit a page.

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    1. Re:Adblock FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you could learn to read TFA, the bit where it says "video ads ... won't be played unless a viewer clicks on a play button" - or is that a waste of bandwidth too?

    2. Re:Adblock FTW by Frankie70 · · Score: 1



      I'm sure as hell not wasting my bandwidth downloading a VIDEO every time I visit a page.



      Well, what you wrote above shows that you sure as hell didn't waste any
      bandwidth RTFA.

  26. Can't resist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google Shareholder Emergency Meeting, May 23, 2006

    CEO: amazon10x put us in his HOSTS file!
    Shareholders: Nooo, not the HOSTS file! What are we going to do?
    CEO: I guess we'll have to call off the highly profitable video ads.
    Shareholders: *Whew!*

  27. And in a few years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...all of you second-class netziens who can't afford the "upper crust" tier of Internet subscription won't be able to watch these ads.

    And then I will bask in your marketing-deprived jealousy. Enjoy the streaming-video-spam while you can, little ones!

    Bwa. Ha. Haaaa..... :)

  28. Similiar announcement? by porkThreeWays · · Score: 1

    Didn't they announce something like this a few months ago also? That they would start to allow graphical ads (I don't remember if they could be animated or not). They said that quite awhile ago and most of the google adsense ads I see are still text. I wouldn't worry too much about it. If they become prevalant I'm sure there will be mucho backlash. Google survives on its customer loyality (unlike file format lockin. cough, cough). If they piss off their customers there's nothing really keeping them there. The only thing keeping their current customers is good service.

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    1. Re:Similiar announcement? by mlk · · Score: 1
      (I don't remember if they could be animated or not)

      Yes.
      Gah, pink flashing button does not make me want to buy stuff.

      (well other than a hammer from PINK FLASHY HAMMERS DOT COM!)
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  29. Re:Again?? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While your point is valid, I would add one caveat - that the bit about having to click on the ad to see the video is the way it will work right now. As the article notes, advertisers aren't too happy about that. This could just be the camel's nose in the tent ...

  30. Re:mod *THIS* parent down, it's SLASHDOT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Geez, dude, get with the program! Don't you know any /. reply that mentions pron at least gets left alone and more often than not gets modded up ?!

  31. Will this be optional for the publisher? by weav · · Score: 1

    Will all Adsense (TM) publishers get this, or will they need to opt in? Will the impressions or clicks be worth more to the publisher? Didn't notice in TFA...

  32. more fscking with the web by b17bmbr · · Score: 1

    one of the things that pisses me off more than anything, as someone who has a cable connection at 3Mbs, is that I'll get pages to load and hang as some remote server is loading up an ad or image or something. You sit there and look at a half loaded web page for seconds on end. Don't site admins and companies know this pisses off users?

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    1. Re:more fscking with the web by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      Why don't you just block the ads then?

    2. Re:more fscking with the web by b17bmbr · · Score: 1

      I do have ad blocking with firefox. but sites routinely farm out their content to other servers, and it's hard to block every ad and every server. firefox is good at blocking popups, et al., but alot of things still slow down a web page. there has to be some non-blockign way to load remote files while continuing to load the rest of the page. It just seems that too many sites have stuff coming from all over and one slowdown brings the loading to a standstill. maybe I'm just going to the wrong sites!!

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    3. Re:more fscking with the web by Eideewt · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know if you've tried the Filterset.g updater extension, but I've found it to be a real time saver. It updates Adblock with a list of ad servers so you don't have to. The only ads I've seen since installing it have been quirky ones that are actually served by the domain I'm visiting.

    4. Re:more fscking with the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cable, 3Mbs?!?! I'd hate to see the ads *you're* seeing. I hope you're exaggerating.
      I'm on 56k dial-up... and it's about the same. Though usually the rest of a page will load, it'll have blank spots where unloaded ads are...

    5. Re:more fscking with the web by b17bmbr · · Score: 1

      will have to give it a try.

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    6. Re:more fscking with the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue is latency, not bandwidth. If the ad server takes 30 seconds to respond, then the page loading will freeze for 30 seconds, even if the ad is only a 1x1 transparent gif.

  33. I for one welcome our... err video ads to the web by Garak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Video based ads really get your attention, they are usually more entertaining that just a flashy logo and the companys latest deal that we see in flash ads.

    Why is this a good thing? Everyone who visits a site will actually see the ad rather than ignore it, so webmasters can demand more money and stop producing websites that try and trick you into clicking an ads and stuff.

    Video is a proven model or advertizing, ask someone what was the last web ad they seen? now ask someone what was the last tv commerical?

    Maybe advertizers will start demanding better content?

    Maybe we will see a whole new industry built on creating video ads for the web?

    Video ads usually get your attention with something entertaining... Some nice eye candy...

    This will really put a push on building better networks and pushing broadband, maybe advertizers will start putting pressure on broadband providers... Demand for bandwidth with money behind it, unlike bittorrent which is a demand for bandwidth without any money behind it.

    Ofcourse there is the bad side, it dose suck if your on dialup or slow broadband, or have a slower computer, but all you have to do is uninstall flash or not install it in the first place, hell this might be the push we need to have average joe buy a new computer and broadband...

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  34. Ads aren't always evil. by AJanuary · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I often "Shoot the duck" or "Stomp on the spider" or "Kill the ninja" or whatever while I'm waiting for a page to load (as pages that tend to have these adds tend to load slow). I use Firefox so when I "win" the popup doesn't appear. I just get to have a little bit of guilty pleasure. This is an interesting more. It seems to be on the face or it a poor one from what I can see, similar to what people have already states, advertisers aren't going to be happy. Then again, Google ads are very popular because they are non-intrusive. If you have non-intrusive video adds you will still be reaching the large audience Google Ads already reaches. And don't forget, if they don't click on it, its still a picture add (presumably). I guess Google are banking on advertisers realising this. See annoying add. Block it/Ignore it. See picture of something interesting. Click to play, go to website. Which would get more? Time will tell I guess.

    1. Re:Ads aren't always evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously am not sure how this works...just asking.
      Even though you don't get the pop-ups for "winning"...
      Do the advertisers view your actions as active clicks (successful means of advertising),
      or do they not recognize that success until the pop-up loads?

    2. Re:Ads aren't always evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please learn to think before posting. Organize your thoughts.

  35. Re:Again?? by Neoncow · · Score: 1

    How often do you need to view flash stuff at work? For me, that's nearly never, so I use flashblock with firefox. Obviously, you are free to do whatever you want on your own computer.

  36. Silver lining by linvir · · Score: 1

    Maybe Google is secretly working on more advanced video compression... DAN DAN DAANNNNNNNNNN!

  37. Re:Again?? by Killshot · · Score: 1

    I couldn't have said it better.

    I'm really getting tired of looking for good conversation about slashdot topics because way too many people post before even reading the article or even really thinking about the summary.

    Now, my thoughts on the topic. I manage the google ads (and other internet ads) at the small health product company i work for. It is always a challenge to come up with wording for the ads that makes us stand out from our cometitors because you only get 3 short lines of text. A video ad would really give us more time to explain things to the potential customer. If people click on them of course is yet to be seen.

    I also think that people who use adsense on their sites should be given the choice.
    Having images suddenly appear where there was previously text could kinda muck up the design of their site if they were not wanting images.

  38. Re:Again?? by the_mind_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i use Firefox+adblock.

    But i do not block the text only adSens.
    Sometimes the have relevant info and i use them.

    I DO however block all flash/image ads.
    And the second google adds images or video i add them to my blocklist.

    And i don't think im alone.

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  39. Re:Again?? by linvir · · Score: 1
    My understanding of Google ads is that you get a lot of control over them. You can pick stuff like the colour, for instance

    I imagine that if they introduced these new formats, they'd be part of a tiered pay system.

  40. Re:Again?? by bheer · · Score: 1

    If I were you, I'd download a zipped archive of Firefox and use that--with Adblock.

  41. CPU load by imsabbel · · Score: 1

    With a xxx*yy size flash video you can be sure to keep it in sane levels.

    I have seen flash banner ads with 10s of translucent layers and antialiasing and shit that tried to run at 1000 fps or so. One of them made an A64 come down to a crawl.

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    1. Re:CPU load by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I have seen flash banner ads with 10s of translucent layers and antialiasing and shit that tried to run at 1000 fps or so. One of them made an A64 come down to a crawl.

      That's what prompted me to finally install FlashBlock and be done with it. I didn't mind (too much) the moving ads or the ones that made noise when you would mouse-over them. But when you start to screw with my CPU utilization, even while in the background, you get the boot.

      Seems to have made the system much more responsive as a result as well (FlashBlock on Mozilla 1.7x).

      Other ads like GIF banner adds I won't block. They're unobtrusive and stay out of the way (and I have Mozilla set to only display GIF animations a single time).

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  42. Re:Ah yes just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In May 2005, Google rejected an attempt by the conservative activist group RightMarch.com to run ads critical of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., while continuing to run attack ads against besieged House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.
    Try searching for Tom DeLay, see what ads pop up on the right. Then try searching for Hillary Clinton.

  43. Appeal Dampened By Who? by Roofus · · Score: 1

    Having to click the ad to play will only dampen appeal to some advertisers. Webmasters and users will love the fact that it's a nice visual ad that does not play without user consent.

    I'm sure Google will have advertisers lining up even with this "downside".

    1. Re:Appeal Dampened By Who? by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I have no problem with unobtrusive ads that in essence read "click here to view our ad"

      I don't even have a problem with attractive, subtle animated GIF or flash ads.

      I don't have a problem with "free" web content, paid for by the above.

      I have a big problem with fugly epileptic-causing flashing GIF ads.
      I have a big problem with flash or javascript ads which overlay the content or attempt to monopolize my browser without my content. That sort of advertisement prompted me to install Flashblocker, and when I visit certain mainstream media sites I have to turn that on to read the content without some stupid company mascot or logo popping up over the article or op-ed I'm trying to read.

      There is a happy medium and Google has found it. Some other advertising outfits have yet to discover this happy medium and believe that bad publicity/annoying potential customers is a great marketing plan. Sorry, it's not.

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    2. Re:Appeal Dampened By Who? by rainman_bc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a happy medium and Google has found it.

      Naw... I'll argue you'll find most people not playing the ads, and Google will have to adjust their strategy accordingly.

      IMO, it's not a good move at all, advertisers won't go for it...

      If you were watching a TV show, and it said "turn to channel 35 for great info on adult diapers", would you be as inclined to turn to channel 35? Perhaps if you were truly interested, but advertising isn't about that.

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    3. Re:Appeal Dampened By Who? by Buran · · Score: 1

      Having to click the ad to play will only dampen appeal to some advertisers.

      Or maybe not. Angering potential buyers doesn't do much to make your product/service any more appealing. I personally cannot stand ads with sound, especially with voice tracks, because I'm hearing impaired, have no directional hearing, and when I'm at home late at night and I hear a strange voice talking, I worry that someone has broken into the house. (I'm serious...)

      If I'm at work and I get unexpected noise, it bothers other people plus I could get in trouble depending on what the ad is for.

      I guess that's why I block just about all ads -- but I know the hazards of not blocking them because I'm the only one in the lab who knows much about ad blockers.

  44. Re:Google Bias by operagost · · Score: 1

    The fact that you were modded down as "Flamebait" somewhat proves your point. That being said, you probably should have been modded down "Offtopic".

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  45. Intelligence is in extra short supply today. by databyss · · Score: 1

    Really... how many of these stupid "OMG NO VIDEO ON PAGE LOAD!" posts are there going to be?

    The second comment more than half an hour before this clears up the issue.

    I can understand the tons of AC's posting it just to be stupid, but real people with real ID's this dumb?

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    1. Re:Intelligence is in extra short supply today. by mlk · · Score: 1

      Does /. now require IQ tests to sign up?

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  46. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet you click on those "punch the monkey" banners too.

  47. Re:Again?? by tehcyder · · Score: 1
    (Slashdot readers) don't even mind making themselves look like utter fools, proudly displaying their complete ignorance of the matter under discussion, their inability to understand the facts before formulating an opinion, and their general desperate need for upwards moderation, which is the only kind of "social" approbation they can ever hope for
    I present /.'s new mission statement.
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  48. Re:Again?? by databyss · · Score: 1

    Fire up the block list, images have been there for awhile.

    It's up to each adsense account as to which type of ads to display.

    If you go to a site that starts loading video ads, ask them to go back to text only.

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  49. Google can't be that stupid by denebeim · · Score: 1

    Why is google by far the largest search engine? It's not because they're a better search engine, they arn't, especially when they were new. Lycos was the original search engine, and they had the lion's share of the market.

    No, Google dominates because they were fast, clean, and not annoying. If you look at this thread you'll see many people saying "I click on google ads sometimes, no others" That's why google gets hits.

    The day they change what they are sending from text to graphics half of the sites that put them up will drop them. This would be a marketing decision who's brilliance would rival 'New Coke' and would be remembered for at least as long.

    As I was saying Google is not that stupid. If they make a new stream that does what they're talking about, fine, more power to them. It won't work, but it wouldn't be fatal to them.

    1. Re:Google can't be that stupid by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Lycos was the original search engine, and they had the lion's share of the market.

      I'm sorry but WTF? Altavista ring a bell?

      And when Google just started out... Yahoo anyone?

      OT I know, but Lycos???

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    2. Re:Google can't be that stupid by generic-man · · Score: 1

      "Lycos was born from a research project by Dr. Michael Mauldin of Pittsburgh's Carnegie Mellon University in 1994."

      "AltaVista ... originated in 1995"

      I believe WebCrawler (April 1994) has them both beat in terms of age, though.

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    3. Re:Google can't be that stupid by generic-man · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Google will keep Google.com clean so people will continue to like the search engine.

      Google's been serving image and Flash ads to Adsense sites for months now if the webmaster wants them. Video ads are but another option.

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    4. Re:Google can't be that stupid by denebeim · · Score: 1

      That's what I was using in those days. Lycos is several years older than Alta Vista IIRC. I went from lycos to dogpile, then google.

    5. Re:Google can't be that stupid by WuphonsReach · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Personally, Altavista (with their www.av.com domain) had the mind-share in my part of the country. Lycos was a runner-up in that race.

      Of course, back then, Yahoo! was a decent directory of websites. So if you were looking for something, you'd start in Yahoo! and look at the site listings. Only after you didn't find it (or your search was *really* specific) would you go using AV's search.

      (Based on a hazy recollection of the latter-90s...)

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  50. Re:Again?? by codemaster2b · · Score: 1

    Yes, you have to choose to view the video, but how in the world can you choose to not download it in the first place?

    The reason that I used to disable images loading over dialup was NOT that I didn't want to see them... it was that I didn't want to download them and eat up my bandwidth.

    There would be a solution, of course, if Google didn't actually send the video until you clicked "yes" or whatever. But then, how would whatever embedded player that is playing the content know that a video is ready to play? Or would there be some sort of flash interface to the video that tells Google to send the video, and reloads its space with an embedded viewer?

    Who knows? But it is not ignorance that rants that our bandwith will be chewed up... why, oh why do you think that Google is not using its own video ads?

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  51. Re:Google Bias by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

    This is a ridiculous (and outdated) article, it jumps to a paranoid conclusion based on one coincidence and no real evidence, just an unsupported claim. "A search of Google's site"? A search for what?

  52. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. What did you get paid to say that?

    First of all, I do not want web pages to ever play sound. If I consider animated graphic ads to be such an annoyance that I have blocked them, why would I be more likely to click and ad that is not only visually offensive, but audibly offensive too?

    Second, it's pure arrogance to think people can just go out and buy a new computer and get broadband. It's been said a thousand times, and it is still true. Not everybody can get broadband. Some people are not able to afford it, and some people don't even have the option to get it short of expensive satellite options. Nor can everybody afford a new computer. Not even a $300 eMachine.

    The idea that advertisements will push broadband adoption is ridiculous. All large ads will do is drive away a site's visitors. Pushing broadband adoption requires content.

  53. Re:Again?? by Eideewt · · Score: 1

    I'd be surprised if the video was loaded before clicking the play button. It seems like an enormous waste of bandwidth to download something that won't get watched.

  54. They're missing-the-point in another way too... by ofcourseyouare · · Score: 1

    This piece is tagged "missing-the-point" presumably because the point is that we all hate online video ads, and prefer text links, so WTF is Google doing.

    But there's another way that this plan misses the point. It's in having a two-minute limit on the video.

    Why is this a problem?

    30-second ads are based on the interruption ad model: you don't want to watch, so they keep it short. Interruption ads don't work online, which is a choice-based medium (or should be).

    Google's plan is the some people will want to click on these things to watch the videos. But by limiting it to 2 minutes, they drastically reduce the amount of interesting content that could be offered.

    For example, corporation X could offer you a bunch of videos from a band you like; their logo's at the end, but otherwise, it's just the video. You might be tempted to click to watch - but of course you'll be irritated, because the song will have to cut off after 2 minutes.

    In other words, this plan is the worst of both worlds - it doesn't work under the hard-sell interuption model of old advertising, or under the new choice-based model, which is "do something genuinely interesting for me and I might actually watch it - in which case it should be as long as I want it to be".

  55. Re:Again?? by bgarcia · · Score: 1
    This means that fully 64.7% of Slashdot readers are so eager to rant on (not having read TFA) that they don't even mind making themselves look like utter fools, proudly displaying their complete ignorance of the matter under discussion, their inability to understand the facts before formulating an opinion, and their general desperate need for upwards moderation, which is the only kind of "social" approbation they can ever hope for.
    Welcome to Slashdot! :-)
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  56. Re:Google Bias by gfxguy · · Score: 1

    The second article I referenced is dated today, loosely on the same subject, and goes through a nice list of examples of Google bias.

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  57. Re:Again?? by NickFitz · · Score: 1

    I'm 5849, you're 33222; looks like I was most remiss in not welcoming you back around 1998 :-)

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  58. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by Eideewt · · Score: 1

    You didn't RTFA either, did you? The ads won't play unless the user activates them. They won't catch anyone's eye unless they are actually clicked on by the consumer. Meaning they'll take just as much clicking as ever before.

  59. AMD64 Immune! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a good thing I have an AMD64. That protects me from those pesky Flash ads... and in fact from running any Flash content at all! Yay.

  60. Styling by bpb213 · · Score: 1

    But this wrecks integration with the rest of the site.

    (Disclaimer, I am not an adwords subscriber, so I am not sure exactly how much control you get)

    With textual ads, I assume that a little CSS can blend the add nicely into the rest of your site.

    But with these new picture (and then video) ads, they don't fit in anymore to the rest of the sites appearance.

    I realize not all sites are fashion conscious, but there are some sites out there that I am sure will hate the new picture ads.

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  61. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by adpsimpson · · Score: 1

    Just to take a few of your assertations one at a time:

    ask someone what was the last web ad they seen?

    Can't remember. Must have been a few weeks ago thanks to a good adblocker.

    now ask someone what was the last tv commerical?

    Can't remember. I use ad breaks to go to the toilet, make a cup of tea etc.

    Video ads usually get your attention with something entertaining... Some nice eye candy...

    So I assume there are no boring ads on TV?

    Maybe advertizers will start demanding better content?

    Advertiser: "Oh, look, new media format. Suddenly I can see the light!"

    But finally, here's the one that really got me.

    this might be the push we need to have average joe buy a new computer and broadband...

    I live in central Tanzania. "Broadband" here costs $3,500/month, and runs at 312K. The average national wage is about $400. "Average" may not mean exactly what you think it means.

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  62. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by edgr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    hell this might be the push we need to have average joe buy a new computer and broadband...
    Yes, because I can see this being a real selling point.
    Potential broadband customer: "Why should I get broadband?"
    Salesman: "Then you can watch video ads!"
    PBC: "..."
  63. Re:Again?? by AchiIIe · · Score: 1

    you must be new here

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  64. Nukes. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Informative
    I spent a long time hoping for a fully functioning "NukeAnything". I even emailed the creator of the extension with my requests and mailed him a set of my favorite books by way of thanks (for making such a cool extension). Anyway, when I last upgraded, everything seemed to smooth out nicely.

    I'm currently using. . .

    NukeAnything Enhanced .53
    Flashblock 1.5
    on top of Firefox/1.5.0.1

    I have no trouble Nuking flash banners. Maybe you can get some use out of that. . .

    Cheers!


    -FL

  65. Re:Again?? by OctoberSky · · Score: 1

    I can't get Firefox to connect, something to do with the firewall. It does not have permission and I don't really care enough to fix it. I mean, I am on Slashdot right now.
    None of the sites I am supposed to be at (mainly NY and Federal Criminal Justice sites, Lexus Nexis, and the like) have pop ups or ads. The problem doesn't exist according to our IT guys, only if you step outside of where you are supposed to be does it become a problem.

    But I am allowed to go anywhere I want I often have to go to MySpace because apparently, many victims of crimes have accounts there. And fancy pages dedicated to the guys who they say are stalking them. Pages that say "I Love CmndrTaco" then they charge Taco with a stalking charge and we show the site in Court. I swear this has happened twice in the past 6 months. Who would have thought MySpace could be so usefull for the legal community.

  66. Too bad by kanzels · · Score: 0

    Again more traffic from ads that people are going to pay for without actually deciding. They will be probably Flash based as those at video.google.com so I'm really thinking of uninstalling flash player. Haven't seen any usefull flash site (except ads) in a while.

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  67. Mmm by chord.wav · · Score: 1

    From the creators of the top-acclaimed "Do no evil", comes "Marketing menace"!!!

    Will this be a trilogy following the good-wins-then-bad-wins-then-good-wins-again pattern? Hope so.

  68. Re:Again?? by NickFitz · · Score: 1

    Yes, you have to choose to view the video, but how in the world can you choose to not download it in the first place?

    Maybe there's no truth in this, but people have told me that web pages can contain these things called "links" using which you can, for example, allow people to choose whether or not to download and view large files. I'm not sure if Google's engineers are aware of this technology, but if so they may well make use of it. Perhaps they can tie it in with their plan (described in TFA) to "...display graphics promoting video ads".

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  69. A reminder by bruns · · Score: 3, Informative

    A reminder to people who use the AdSense service (and not those of you who like to spout without knowing what you are talking about) - you can set your prefs so that only text ads will be displayed.

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  70. Don't give advertisers so much credit by Somatic · · Score: 1
    It's a shame I can't set a cookie in my browser (or something) that tells Google I have no interest in video ads. The advertisers would like it because they wouldn't waste an impression on an annoyed viewer

    I don't know any advertisers who care how much they annoy us... I don't even think the word "annoy" registers in their minds properly. They only think More people seeing my stuff! Buy my stuff! BUY MY STUFF!

    Course I could be wrong, but considering so many still serve popups when not a single person I've ever met, heard of, or dreamed of is not annoyed by them, it's the only explanation I can think of.

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  71. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by Garak · · Score: 1

    >Just to take a few of your assertations one at a time:

    >> ask someone what was the last web ad they seen?
    > Can't remember. Must have been a few weeks ago thanks to a good adblocker.
    I'm talking about average joe here, most people don't use ad blockers... Hell I don't even bother with ad blockers, I just ignore most ads.

    >> now ask someone what was the last tv commerical?
    >Can't remember. I use ad breaks to go to the toilet, make a cup of tea etc.

    The few times I've watched TV in the past few months I've found the ads to be entertaining, they do get old and annoying really quickly, but the first time around they are entertaining.

    >> Video ads usually get your attention with something entertaining... Some nice eye candy...
    > So I assume there are no boring ads on TV?

    No but there are lots of entertaining ones out there...

    >> Maybe advertizers will start demanding better content?
    > Advertiser: "Oh, look, new media format. Suddenly I can see the light!"
    Video ads cost alot more to produce,

    > But finally, here's the one that really got me.

    >> this might be the push we need to have average joe buy a new computer and broadband...
    > I live in central Tanzania. "Broadband" here costs $3,500/month, and runs at 312K. The average national > wage is about $400. "Average" may not mean exactly what you think it means.

    Ofcourse broadband depends on many factors, the main one being demand, small demand and no supply == high cost, large demand and supply leads to competition and over subscription which means reasonable pricing.

    Currently there is a lack of demand in the US for broadband, many average joe types a happy with dialup.

    Also video ads don't stop people on dialup and on slow computers from viewing existing content.

    Video ads are likely to be a more effective method of advertizing but advertisers are not going to put money into producing videos and bandwidth if there is no content to force people to view them. I think the name of the game is going to be producing websites that you view long enough to watch the entire video. So this means real content! Its not going to be a game of trying to get people to click the ads, but trying to get people to stay on one page long enough for the video to play to end. Now there will still be lots of annoying sites that try and force you to watch a video before accessing the content.

    The fact that google is getting behind this is what I like. There are already companys producing video ads, I see these mircosoft ads here on slashdot all the time. Thankfully the sound is muted by default.

    I personally don't mind the ads playing by default aslong as the sound is turned off. On my computers that are too slow to play video I simply don't have flash installed.

    Broadband is widely avaiable here in Canada, unless you live in the middle of no where there is both adsl and cable.

    There is a major lack of good quality legal broadband content online right now. Google video and yourtube are improving the situaltion but there is still very little professional quality content. Why? because there is no ad revenue to support it. Traditional banner ads or google ads barely cover the bandwidth if that. Hopefully video ads will pump some much needed money into this area.

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  72. Re:Can't resist... v2 by amazon10x · · Score: 1

    CEO: amazon10x set up us the HOSTS ! Shareholders: What you say !! CEO: Take off every 'vid' !! Shareholders: You know what you doing. CEO: For great justice.

  73. Re:Can't resist... v2.1 by amazon10x · · Score: 1

    Arg. Should have previewed: here's the formatted version

    CEO: amazon10x set up us the HOSTS !
    Shareholders: What you say !!
    CEO: Take off every 'vid' !!
    Shareholders: You know what you doing.
    CEO: For great justice.

  74. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by Secret+Agent+Man · · Score: 1

    Yes, they get your attention. That's the point. They are highly distracting and annoying. When I'm listening to music I don't want advertisement sounds/music blasting out of my speakers on top of it. Not to mention for users on low-end PCs (i.e. the one I presently use to connect to the Internet): It's bad enough that Firefox's extensions have memory issues, but to have video ads playing would slow it down to a crawl.

    Thank goodness for Adblock Plus!

  75. Re:Again?? by codemaster2b · · Score: 1

    Humblest apologies, Master

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  76. Re:Google Bias by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I should have made it clearer that I was referring exclusively to the first article my comment, thanks for pointing that out.

    The second article doesn't point out any bias at all. Google has barred many other ads and other content due to their hate policy, including content from democrats, so-called Christians (due to hateful content against gays), pro-liberal comedy websites ("Who Would Jesus Bomb?"), anti-Islam speech, etc. Their policy isn't biased against republicans, unless republicans are actually more hateful than democrats, which is not the case.

    Google aims to provide that mystical thing: an objective angle. Like Wikipedia, it doesn't view the inclusion of every opinion as NPOV.

    That many of Google's employees are pro-democrat is an irrelevant coincidence and proves no bias.

    Google's acting in accordance to the laws of other nations outside the United States is also irrelevant to a bias inside the United States.

    Accusing the BBC of being a "predominately liberal media outlet" is possibly the second-biggest of this article's blunders. The BBC is constantly scrutinized internally and externally in efforst to keep it POV-free. Often, the government accuses the BBC of giving to much voice to the opposition! (Labour's opposition has been The Conservative Party since 1997 when they were elected).

    The bigger blunder is the accusation that Google will intentionally provide bias for any site at all ever. Google's policies are not biased. They are apply to everyone equally. If the WSJ made more of its articles free and indexable under Google, I suspect they would often outweigh CNN, AP or the BBC in "quality".

  77. Re:Again?? by john83 · · Score: 1

    Amazing... as I write there are 17 top-level posts of which 11 are saying something to the effect that "OMFG!!! Waste of bandwidth! All these sites are gonna be really slow!!! I'm editing my hosts file..." etc.

    This means that fully 64.7% of Slashdot readers are so eager to rant on (not having read TFA) that they don't even mind making themselves look like utter fools...

    More ironically, that makes all of those ill-considered posts a, erm, waste of bandwidth.
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  78. Re:Again?? by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

    I suspect that it works much like the Google Video previews.

    Go to Google Video, and search for something. Note the play buttons to see a short preview of the clip.

    Click the button. It uses JavaScript to load the preview in Flash. ;)

  79. this is not very new by nandhp · · Score: 1

    I saw this on Thursday at fanfiction.net. Here's what it looked like: http://nandhp.tripod.com/googlevideoad.html [JPEG compressed to 8kb]

    1. Re:this is not very new by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      It doesn't seem too annoying there, but it's also surrounded by flashing animated banner ads.

  80. Re:Ah yes just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What exactly is your point? As a Republican, do you not feel that Google should have the freedom to run whatever ads they want to from their service? Are you against such essential freedom of expression?

    And it's no wonder that Google would be more supportive of the Democratic Party. They haven't participated nearly as much in the warmongering and fearmongering that the Republican Party has recently. The stance of Google (likely dictated by its employees) has traditionally been one of "do no evil". Supporting people like the Republicans, who often advocate the bombing of innocent civilians in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, completely violates the "do no evil" mantra.

    Remember, you always have the ability to block their ads if you disagree with their political stance. You can easily use Yahoo!, or MSN, or the other search engines out there. If you disagree with their service, don't use it.

  81. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ad blockers are the number one extension for every major browser in use today. ISPs even send out their installation kits with included ad blockers. Most people may not block all ads, but most people block at least some ads and the number blocking all ads is only increasing. Just take a look at the top extensions for web clients and their growth. They're ad blockers. Look at the growth of PVRs. People love being able to record shows and...skip ads.

    The people have spoken, and you just don't like their answer.

    I don't know what the last ad I saw was on the Internet because I've been blocking them for years now. Even before then I couldn't tell you because I just ignored them. People become ad blind, which is why I bought a PVR. Instead of spending 15% more time watching television programs than I had to with periods of me spacing out or wandering for snacks I just skip commercials entirely. That's an average of 15% of my time spent watching TV back to do things that can't be done in three minute intervals. No, video ads won't encourage me to get broadband or a new computer. I don't own a computer to watch advertisements.

  82. Flash video is downloaded only upon request by hackrobat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having worked on the video playback component in Flash and Flex (I'm an engineer at Adobe), I feel obligated to enlighten you on the bandwidth implications for users visiting web sites containing Flash-based video ads.

    There are three ways to play video in Flash:

    1. Embedding the video directly into the SWF file
    2. Downloading the FLV file over HTTP
    3. Streaming the video over RTMP (FMS or FVSS)

    Of these, the first one is recommended only for extremely small video clips (5 seconds or less), because embedding the video into the SWF, aside from providing poor quality playback, also bloats the size of the SWF file.

    The other two have their pros and cons each, but they have one thing in common: video is downloaded only when requested. Streaming (option 3) has the additional advantage of requesting video frame-by-frame, whereas in the case of HTTP download, the entire file is requested at once (though the download can be aborted at any point during playback).

    So, take a chill pill. The world is not coming to an end. If you don't want to see the ads, don't click on the play button.

  83. missing-the-point a 3rd way too... by jolie · · Score: 1

    Google is portraying the new ad product as the latest revolutionary way that it is leveling the playing field for small businesses, according to a NYT Google quote: "A large percentage of video ads will come from small advertisers. A small resort owner in Maui probably already has video of their great beachfront property. Now they can put it in an ad and reach a qualified set of users." Google has also been characterizing its offline ad distribution attempts as enabling systems for small businesses, such as its print ad auction. The auction failed, however, and Google's small business radio ad distribution strategy with DMarc Broadcasting has not materialized. (http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro-markets/?p=13)

  84. Re:I for one welcome our... err video ads to the w by thetaco82 · · Score: 1

    "Ofcourse there is the bad side, it dose suck if your on dialup or slow broadband, or have a slower computer, but all you have to do is uninstall flash or not install it in the first place"

    Sure, great solution. I don't like annoying radio ads either, so I think I'll just punch out my speakers...

  85. Commericals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we will now have commericals while surfing the internet? Next we'll be buying internet tivo's.

  86. porn sounds by Skadet · · Score: 1

    I still do, ever since a "friend" sent me that damn joke page that shouts, "HEY EVERYONE! I'M LOOKING AT GAY PORN!".

  87. I love it... by sexysasian · · Score: 0

    Sure we'll help you take a shit in public. Just go do it on the neighbor's lawn. And hand over the cash.

  88. Windows/Mac only? by dfries · · Score: 1

    It is going to be a windows/mac only player right? I'm sure glad I'm running Linux!

  89. Google have turned to the Dark Side. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was once a great search engine is now an overweight, bloated behemouth intending to stamp it's prescence across the Internet, sucking up money while pestering us with ad's we do not want.

    Time to find a new search portal boys and grils. And Macro$lut cn kiss my fat, haory, putulant, hemeroidal ass if they think I will be using their search engine

  90. The Money Trail by sufijazz · · Score: 1

    What is interesting to me is how the revenue model is going to work. There can be a tiered model where Google charges $X for every graphic impression of the ad, $Y for every download/playing of the ad and $Z for every visit to the advertiser's website. If it's Flash, the ad can include a hyperlinked URL at the end, can't it?

    And does it matter how long the ad is? Will there be differential pricing depending upon the length of the ad?

    For advertisers, I think this is a good challenge because they have to make their first graphic interesting/eye-catching/enticing. So we may get to see good, creativite work (or just photographs of hot chicks with strategically located Play buttons).

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  91. AIM Video Ads piss me off! by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately AIM has started running these ads in the top of their client, and they are videos. And they will just start playing at random.

    This does two things: it comes out of my speakers which are usually cranked pretty loud, AND they consume system resources temporarily enough to slow down my machine.

    That PISSES ME OFF TO NO EXTENT, so I will usually close out of the AIM client (or minimize it), I am hoping that AIM is seeing how many people let the video run it's length, and when they look at my stat, they will realize that each and every time a video comes on, I close out of it. Perhaps they will stop sending those damn things.

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    1. Re:AIM Video Ads piss me off! by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      That PISSES ME OFF TO NO EXTENT, so I will usually close out of the AIM client (or minimize it), I am hoping that AIM is seeing how many people let the video run it's length, and when they look at my stat, they will realize that each and every time a video comes on, I close out of it. Perhaps they will stop sending those damn things.

      You want to get *really* ticked off?

      Open up Task Manager and look at how much CPU time the AIM client uses, even when minimized. You'll find that it uses quite a bit of CPU time per day even when you have it minimized to the system tray all day.

      I put up with it for a while, but once it started burning significant amounts of CPU time per day it got the boot. (Since I refuse to run the AIM client any more, I don't remember the numbers. But 10-30min of CPU time per day on my 1.6Ghz CPU sounds about right.)

      In comparison, things like PGPTray (5 sec/day), my EFax (JFax now?) account (1 sec/day) are pretty tame. Yahoo's messenger is running at 2.5 min/day of CPU time so I'm debating whether that one is going to get the boot next.

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  92. relevant text ads by Sillygates · · Score: 1

    does this not go aginst their philosophy

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  93. Evil? by TheKnave · · Score: 0

    Waiter: Evil, Google? Google: No, thanks. But my customers will might have a smidgeon.

  94. Has ANYONE rtfa? by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

    Reading through these comments, one has to wonder just how short the attentionn span of the average slashdotter really is. This article is real short, yet nobody seems to have read it and everyone makes false assumptions on the "suspect the worst" model.

    According to TFA the video ads will _not_ be starting playback automatically, but only if a play button is pressed.

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  95. Re:Ah yes just what we need by d_54321 · · Score: 1

    It's not The Google Democratic Party search engine.
    It's The Google search engine.
    I'm not Republican or Democrat. Nor do I want to see Google's results based on my or any political party.
    And you're right, I can use another search engine and they totally are free to do whatever they want as long as they're not breaking any laws. This freedom also comes with responsibility of dealing with repercussions of their choices. Repercussions like me using my freedom of speech to speak out against their heinous policies.

  96. Re:Again?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Bit of a troll is nickfitz really.

    All i've ever seen you do is patronise other people.

    Go and write something about Internet Explorer you micrsoft troll gimp.