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Bill Gates to Step Down from Microsoft

Geoffreyerffoeg writes "According to Microsoft PressPass, Bill Gates will be leaving his role at Microsoft in July 2008. He'll be staying with the company, but is also moving to a more fulltime position with the Gates Foundation. 'Microsoft Corp. today announced that effective July 2008 Bill Gates, chairman, will transition out of a day-to-day role in the company to spend more time on his global health and education work at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. The company announced a two-year transition process to ensure that there is a smooth and orderly transfer of Gates' daily responsibilities, and said that after July 2008 Gates would continue to serve as the company's chairman and an adviser on key development projects.' CTO Ray Ozzie will assume Gates' role of Chief Software Architect, and CTO Craig Mundie will also take on more leadership responsibility."

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  1. Holy Sh*t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time to sell off my M$ stock...

    1. Re:Holy Sh*t by thephotoman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No. Buy MSFT. Without Gates holding the company back, they might actually do something interesting. Gates isn't a programming genius. In fact, he's quite mediocre. What he is good at is shrewd and (dare I say it) evil business practices, and making a pound of turd look like a pound of gold.

      Now, if they'd just get rid of Ballmer, the company might actually be going places.

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    2. Re:Holy Sh*t by ad0le · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This will be my final post with slashdot, i'll be moving to digg for my news after today.

      This guy wants to quit his day to day responsibilities to give away his money to the less fortunate and all you guys want to do is bash him. Hey, I like Linux, I own a Mac and have tons of Windows experience, but just because you don't like his business practices or his OS dosn't give you the right to belittle him. Will you manage to give away 80% of your fortune before you die? Didn't think so fucktard!

      Give the guy a break, he's one of the few modern day humanitarians!

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    3. Re:Holy Sh*t by script_daddy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must be new here, etc. etc.

      Thing is, the Slashdot-crowd is becoming increasingly singleminded when it comes to issues such as Copyright Infringment, Micro$oft (never forget the dollar sign, or you'll never blend in!) and the Bush Administration. I blame the moderation system. Pimping Linux and Booing Bill, if done with some degree of artfulness, is a surefire way to get modded up. Why take the contrarian position if your point of view is going to be modded "Troll" or "Flamebait" in a matter of nanoseconds?

      For what it's worth, I agree with you. Microsoft's business practices can be questioned (though they're not much worse than other companies in similar situations), but the humanitarian efforts of Bill Gates should not be underestimated or scoffed at. Sure, he's still filthy rich despite how much he has given, but if he was as evil as many slashdotters would like to have it, why wouldn't he keep it all? Or spend the money to build an evil headquarter in an inactive volcano?

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    4. Re:Holy Sh*t by derniers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      he will have a lot more fun giving away $30 billion than staying at MSFT

    5. Re:Holy Sh*t by Bongo+Bill · · Score: 3, Funny
      but if he was as evil as many slashdotters would like to have it, why wouldn't he keep it all? Or spend the money to build an evil headquarter in an inactive volcano?

      Because it's much more evil to build it in an active volcano - and more expensive, too.

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    6. Re:Holy Sh*t by gbobeck · · Score: 2, Funny
      Now, if they'd just get rid of Ballmer, the company might actually be going places.


      If they get rid of Ballmer, the Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers... would be missing a cheerleader. On the plus side, the chairs would be safe.
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    7. Re:Holy Sh*t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hi, I'm posting anonymously because I've moderated in the thread.

      You must be new here, etc. etc. Thing is, the Slashdot-crowd is becoming increasingly singleminded when it comes to issues such as Copyright Infringment, Micro$oft (never forget the dollar sign, or you'll never blend in!) and the Bush Administration. I blame the moderation system. Pimping Linux and Booing Bill, if done with some degree of artfulness, is a surefire way to get modded up. Why take the contrarian position if your point of view is going to be modded "Troll" or "Flamebait" in a matter of nanoseconds?

      I use a modified threshold for viewing comments (-2 to 'funny', for example), and I view only at level 5. Of the messages currently modded +5 for me, there are seven posts that are positive or congradulatory regarding Bill Gates. There are three posts that are simply factual (clarifying his role as Chairman, for example), and zero posts that bitch about Gates/Microsoft (in other words, posts that are following the "surefire way to get modded up).

      I think any population as large as the Slashdot crowd is going to have it's supply of vocal morons, but there are quite a few thoughtful people around as well.

    8. Re:Holy Sh*t by 70Bang · · Score: 2, Informative



      I think it was '93 or '94 when asked what he intended to do with his money (long-term) and he said he planned to give away at least 95% of it [vs. leaving it as an inheritance]. Even retaining 5% for "the rest of your life" living expenses is a substantial sum.

      There was an article in Forbes(?)|Fortune(?) about five years ago about his financial manager and the limits he had (big, interesting article). I think it also confirmed his intentions of off-loading his monies. His financial manager (at that time) was selling an average of 80'000 MS shares/day. There were only two restrictions for this guy re: his investments with the money he was making:
      1) Tiptoe around any companies Microsoft might purchase or compete with; simply to save money and legal headaches
      2) No biogen - this has been reserved for Bill to play with.

      at the time of the article, there was one segment of time where he'd taken $800'000 of MS stock sales and turned it into a decent sum of money - $4B?, $8B?, $12B?


    9. Re:Holy Sh*t by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's funny is you just posted a comment about how messed up the moderation system is, and yet you get modded up to +5 for pointing out the flaws, and supporting Bill Gates. Guess it's not as messed up as you thought it was.

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    10. Re:Holy Sh*t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I assume you mean this program:

      http://www.soundfamilies.org/

      From the website:
      More than 200 new transitional housing units were funded through the Sound Families Initiative, along with critical support services such as job training, substance abuse counseling, and child care services. Sound Families is a $40 million commitment to find
      solutions to homelessness in the Puget Sound region.

      Yeah, that sounds like a mediocre half-assed solution to me, obviously designed to increase the number of crack houses in the area.

      Care to show any stats as to how the number of crack houses went up due to this program? How about a news article? A Blog? Maybe a napkin with some scribbles on it?

      No, then shut the hell up.

      When the richest man in the world commits to dedicating nearly his ENTIRE fortune to charity (his kid's apparently aren't due to inherit much...it goes to the foundation), I'm afraid I can forgive a hell of a lot of capitalist bullying.

    11. Re:Holy Sh*t by Doyle · · Score: 2, Funny
      Sure, he's still filthy rich despite how much he has given, but if he was as evil as many slashdotters would like to have it, why wouldn't he keep it all? Or spend the money to build an evil headquarter in an inactive volcano?
      How do you know he hasn't? I bet he has a receipt for 800 orange boiler suits somewhere too ;)
    12. Re:Holy Sh*t by Unlikely_Hero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, predicting that you'll be modded down or complaining about how the moderation system is going to screw you is one of the surefire ways to make sure you get mod points on slashdot. The mods don't want to look like assholes and don't want to prove you right. Why do you think posts that say "expecting the mod down in 3...2...1..." almost always end up with +4 or +5? The simple fact is that doing that sort of thing is basically asking to be martyred, and people refuse to martyr you.

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    13. Re:Holy Sh*t by Unlikely_Hero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I call bullshit.
      the quote "Don't forget, for every Bill Gates, there have to be many "less fortunate" to be exploited^W marketed to" just bleeds ignorance.
      1. Almost all of the people he is trying to help via the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation wouldn't be helped by American tax dollars anyway. And before you say "foreign aid", remember that the money we give to other countries goes to the /governments/ not the people. At least the Foundation can give it to independent organizations/people.

      2. I'm not going to defend goods/money laundering, but do you really live in such a fantasy world that you think that if the US Government had a bunch more money that anything would be better? They would waste it on more earmarks and pork barrel crap and we would still have the same problems. The amount of funding going to important areas is basically kept to as high as it can be without cutting into the politicians pet projects (read, pork for their state) but they won't put it low enough to piss people off, because they might then catch on to the scam.

      For every bill gates there are LESS, less fortunate people. New industries are created (example, a huge section of the IT market), and tons of new jobs are created. Just because there arent as many people as wealthy as him does not mean he has done something bad.
      Also, maybe you should get into your head just what "less fortunate means".
      We are so pampered in the US and don't understand that "less fortunate" here basically means "not living comfortably". "Less fortunate" in say, Africa, parts of Asia, parts of the middle east, etc means at risk of death a lot of the time.

      Quite frankly, I am glad that the money is going someplace other than the Government, just about anywhere else would be better.

      Constant Pie econonics is FUD

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    14. Re:Holy Sh*t by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does legal have to do with right or wrong?

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    15. Re:Holy Sh*t by Alioth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Duh. This is Slashdot not Cee Colon Backslash. What did you expect?

    16. Re:Holy Sh*t by grazzy · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're after you.. you know.. THEM.

  2. He's not leaving by Shippy · · Score: 5, Informative
    He's going to stay chairman. This is a transition of his Chief Software Architect role. From the first line in the article:
    Working full time at Microsoft through June 2008, Gates then will continue as chairman and advisor while increasing Foundation efforts; Ray Ozzie and Craig Mundie to assume expanded roles.
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    1. Re:He's not leaving by hahafaha · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's right. In fact, the title of the article, although it grabs your attention immediately, is very wrong. He is just not going to do as much actual work, but he is still chairman.

      Oh, and a note to those that are saying that we can't make fun of him anymore: we still can, because he *started* microsoft. What will we do when he dies? We will still make fun of him!

    2. Re:He's not leaving by mjmalone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being the chairman of the board is very different from being an employee for a company. The chairman of the board is _not_ an employee, he is an owner and is supposed to represent the interests of the owners. Owners != Employees. Basically, sounds like Bill is stepping down from his day-to-day activities managing the organization. But he still has billions of dollars tied up in an ownership position -- it would be incredibly stupid of him not to protect that investment.

    3. Re:He's not leaving by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Funny
      What will we do when he dies? We will still make fun of him!

      Yeah, nothing like some black humor from geeks disconnected from reality!

      I picture some zealots crushing his tomb stone and leaving a note with the words
      "... and so, at last, Mammon fell, and this final puny sign of his evil rule was shattered!" -- From the Book of Mozilla, 8:12
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    4. Re:He's not leaving by dar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And on the pedestal these words appear:
      "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
      Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
      Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
      Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
      The lone and level sands stretch far away.

        Percy Bysshe Shelley

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    5. Re:He's not leaving by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I picture some zealots crushing his tomb stone. . .

      Anticipation of that is why he is going into the "philanthropy biz."

      It's SOP for those who know their tombstones deserve crushing. Some of them even go so far as to hide their tombs (See Alexander, Temujin, most of the Pharoahs, etc.).

      KFG

    6. Re:He's not leaving by mfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bill Gates' tombstone will read

          This man has performed an illegal operation and has been shut down

    7. Re:He's not leaving by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've never met Ozzie, and I wasn't favorably impressed by Lotus Notes, but it was at least shipped on a schedule.

      We've seen that MS fails utterly when trying to make major innovations in their products. If they switch instead to shipping bug fixes and minor feature additions on a 12 to 18 month cycle, they might be able to preserve their near-monopoly for a decade or more. Another Longhorn though, and they're in serious trouble.

      Meanwhile those of us in the rest of the industry will benefit as MS becomes the new IBM: still massive, but stripped of the power to coerce anybody's choices of technology. We'll know we're there when Dell and HP feel safe enough to offer Linux, BSD, or whatever else you want pre-installed.

      -jcr

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    8. Re:He's not leaving by dbitch · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, he'll just have on the blue screen of death. Take that!

    9. Re:He's not leaving by Namlak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bill Gates' tombstone will read

      You mean his BSOD - Blue (Tomb)Stone of Death

    10. Re:He's not leaving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      June 2008 was the initial plan, but due to some schedule slippage, he will actually be released in 2015.

  3. You happy Slashdot??! by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    That borg icon finally got to him ... should be ashamed of yourselves!

  4. Meet the new Boss by sakusha · · Score: 4, Funny

    Same as the old Boss.

  5. Thank you by murat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank you Bill, for everything you've done for the industry and the world.

    1. Re:Thank you by LewsTherinKinslayer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thank you Bill, for everything you've done for the industry and the world.

      Signed, Steve Jobs

      -- PS: I'll fucking kill you.

    2. Re:Thank you by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he's serious. Gates did force a power-hungry company on us - but he forced a power-hungry company that made a profit from popularizing the personal computer. I doubt the PC would be quite as popular today as it is if it weren't for Gates.

    3. Re:Thank you by booch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, it would have been terrible if we'd have had to suffer with Amigas or Atari STs or something equally cool, instead of boring PCs with trailing-edge technologies.

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    4. Re:Thank you by Surt · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't see how someone familiar with the history of the computer industry could think that ... if anything I think the PC would be quite a bit more popular today had MS never existed.

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    5. Re:Thank you by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And how did the Lisa sell? Yeah.

      There is a big difference between technologically advanced and actually able to get anywhere in the market. If it weren't for the "You want to go here today" attitude of Microsoft, a lot of people wouldn't realize why they wanted a personal computer. This was still the era of "I believe there is a world market for at most 5 computers." (Yes, by the time MS got started, many large companies and universities had mainframes and workstations, but it's still a long way from workstations to home PCs.)

    6. Re:Thank you by itsNothing · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who moderated this guy?

      Companies throw out Windows (tm) computers rather than try to remove existing spy-crap on them (NY Times article of April 2006, i believe).

      Microsoft itself found 60% of the machines it scanned to be infected with malware.

      Non-technical people are almost completely unable to use the damn things because so many software components can break and the OS provides virtually no assistance in correcting errors.

      In an interview, Bill himself said that there was no point in fixing program bugs: there's no profit in it. Just generate another crappy version of the code and release it.

      As one of the above comments said, the UI for Windows hasn't advanced the art of 26 years ago, and doesn't improve upon UIs from the early days of Xerox Parc.

      Bill has made a ridiculous amount of money due to a huge amount of dumb luck (think of the book: "Fooled by Randomness") and by applying dirty corporate techniques to competitors and partners. He gives capitalists a bad name. God help the world if he uses his Microsoft skill set to the management and direction of his charitable foundation.

    7. Re:Thank you by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I doubt the PC would be quite as popular today as it is if it weren't for Gates.


      Well, now that he's gone, I guess things will never be the same for you. You might as well give up computers forever. You can donate your old machine to users of MacIntosh, Unix, and Amiga, so they can pick up where they left off before BG ever heard of computers.

    8. Re:Thank you by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gates did force a power-hungry company on us - but he forced a power-hungry company that made a profit from popularizing the personal computer. I doubt the PC would be quite as popular today as it is if it weren't for Gates.

      Frankly, I think the PC became popular in spite of Bill Gates, not because of him.

      We should really thank IBM, for creating a PC design that (unlike Apple's) could be "commoditized", and then Compaq, for creating the clone industry. That's what really led to the popularity of the PC, not the mediocre software that ran on it.

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  6. Welcome Ray ozzie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one, welcome my new Ray Ozzie overlord

  7. Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hes going to run for president.

    1. Re:Politics by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny

      What, a software magnate running for President? Yeah, right! As if that would ever happen!

      Oh, crap.

    2. Re:Politics by whitehatlurker · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That (Gates for president of the US) is an interesting idea. I know the parent has been modded funny, but don't you folks have an election around 2008?

      High profile, rich, proved administrator, rich, technically savvy, rich, good looking wife, still has his hair, rich. What more would you want? (-1 for the next person to say "interns".)

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  8. he must not be evil, after all by dankelley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give the boy credit, for planning to devote his time to charity work.

    1. Re:he must not be evil, after all by WhiteWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe they call in penance.

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    2. Re:he must not be evil, after all by Tiger4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's been at the business 30+ years. He's a billionaire. He has a familily. Let the man retire in peace!

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    3. Re:he must not be evil, after all by JourneyExpertApe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's not forget Steve Ballmer's extensive chairity work. Get it? Do ya?

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  9. Cleaning up his act? by nstlgc · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bet he just wants to make sure he makes it into heaven after all...

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  10. Captain to leave the ship? by Nesetril · · Score: 5, Funny

    July 2008 - is that before or after Vista ships?

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    1. Re:Captain to leave the ship? by ashmon · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's before it ships, but after they have the first service pack written.

    2. Re:Captain to leave the ship? by Belgarion89 · · Score: 2, Funny

      After Vista ships, but before people figure what all the new features do.

    3. Re:Captain to leave the ship? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are still new features in Vista?

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  11. Resume by Thunderstruck · · Score: 4, Funny

    What part(s) of my resume should I brush up when applying for the job of "master villian and arch-nemisis of WonderTorvalds?"

    On a more serious note, there are a lot of people with large emotional investments pent up in disliking Mr. Gates. The transition is going to be tough. It's almost like Inigo Montoya at the end of The Princess Bride. Maybe they should turn to piracy?

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  12. Oh, no! by Spaceman40 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whatever will we do with the Borg-Gates icon?

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    1. Re:Oh, no! by Anti_Climax · · Score: 2, Funny

      I say we change it to a monkey throwing a chair :-D

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  13. who knew by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I believe with great wealth comes great responsibility"

    Who would have guessed that Bill Gates was also Spider-man?

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  14. I'm no fan of Mr. Gates's morality in general by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But his morality is the only morality that company has. At all. This move will make Microsoft into more of a money grubbing, profit-centered, fuck anybody who gets in our way, sociopathic corporation. And they didn't have very far to fall to begin with.

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    1. Re:I'm no fan of Mr. Gates's morality in general by bdleonard · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but right now they do it with a smile. After this, no more smile.

  15. Well, that's plenty of notice.... by bitrate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ....to create a new Microsoft icon for /. I felt a slight chill as I read the article, realizing that if Bill Gates is stepping down, he must be getting kinda older....which means I'm getting kinda older. It's been an interesting ride through the years with Microsoft. Thanks for everything, Bill, and best of luck with your philanthropy. My city in particular (Windsor, ON, Canada) has benefitted from the B&MG foundation with new computers in our library for public use.

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  16. Re:Uhhhh... by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see:

    Gates - creates world's most successful company, becomes world's richest man, leaves day job to spend billions on charity.
    Us - Made lame borg jokes for 5 years, finally released a browser that's better than IE if you ignore all the unfixed copy/paste bugs. Convinced a few people that Unix sucked less than Windows.

    Dude, I think *he* won.

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  17. Whether You Hate or Love Him... by MBC1977 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gates DID make computers affordable.

    Fair weather and calm seas on your new journey...

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    1. Re:Whether You Hate or Love Him... by vertinox · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gates DID make computers affordable.

      I wouldn't say that. He more or less make computers standard or in a sense... Got everything to run on the same operating system.

      If you want to talk about making computers affordable... Then you'll have to give the credit to the Intel, AMD, and Cyrix price wars of 1995-2000.

      (Although if you think about the saying "What intel giveth, microsoft taketh away." then maybe they caused a bit of motivation in that price and speed war)

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    2. Re:Whether You Hate or Love Him... by nostriluu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you say that? Before MS came along, people could choose inexpensive computers from Atari, Apple, Commodore. There was healthy, competitive growth. Then IBM came along with the PC which ran DOS, clone vendors cloned that, and the rest is history. But I don't think MS was the factor in making computers inexpensive, it was competition and standards based gear (which IBM initiated with the PC, but before that there were Apple clones). MS has only excelled in making middle of the road software, and maintaining their virtual monopoly.

    3. Re:Whether You Hate or Love Him... by no_pets · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Computers were affordable well before 1995.

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    4. Re:Whether You Hate or Love Him... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What?
      reverse engineering the IBM BIOS made computers available for a cheap price.

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    5. Re:Whether You Hate or Love Him... by aeoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's impossible to assign all the credit to a single person for anything other than a completely trivial change.

      Things in the world happen due to a wide variety of causes and conditions. No single person stands at the head of any major change. There is no driver, or alternatively, every person is a driver. People who buy into some change are causing it as much as the person who is selling some change. It takes two to tango. You can't reasonably attribute the outcome of an intricate dance to a single person.

      Another thing is that we don't know what would have happened without Gates. What if without Gates personal computers proliferated even faster? It's an unknown. Because it's an unknown, we can't compare a known outcome against it in a reasonable way. If you could be certain that without Gates it wouldn't have worked out, and with and only with Gates it would work, then you'd have a slightly better position to assign all the credit to Gates. But still you can't satisfactorily assign all the credit for a major social change to one person for reasons outlined above.

  18. Re:Oh shit by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Flying chairs, thrown by a Donkey-kong like figure with Balmer's face. Yep, I could just see that being a standard screen saver in Vista.

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  19. Re:The final nail in the coffin by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Already, it's become somewhat irrelevant as a tech industry player, leaning on its entrenched install base to survive.

    If analogies could ever be valid (warning; this one isn't) Microsoft is still the 800 lb gorilla and its cane is a fucking solid steel girder. Makes you wonder who Mario is...

    Microsoft is anything but irrelevant. Take a look at their market share.

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  20. Thanks Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would just like to say thanks to Bill for his continuing work with the Gates foundation. I don't see the other multibillionares (Google guys, Redhat guys, Ellison, Jobs, etc) stepping up to the plate and making any commitment EVEN CLOSE to the level he has. All I see those guys doing is buying fighter planes, boats, sports teams and big houses. Good luck Bill!

    1. Re:Thanks Bill by mjmalone · · Score: 2, Interesting
    2. Re:Thanks Bill by PixelScuba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if you could prove "those guys" made their money "more honestly", that devalues what the Gates Foundation does how? I suppose all the Carnegy Public Libraries are just monuments to the terrible and dihonest ways Andrew Carnegy gained his vast fortune.

    3. Re:Thanks Bill by davmoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apples to oranges. Google.org is the philanthropic arm of Google the corperation, and uses the resources of Google the corporation. The Gates Foundation is the philanthropic arm of Bill and Melinda Gates, two people who got rich off of computers, not Microsoft the corporation.

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    4. Re:Thanks Bill by Moofie · · Score: 2, Funny

      "are just monuments to the terrible and dihonest ways Andrew Carnegy gained his vast fortune"

      Pretty much, yeah. That's what I think of when I see his name. Which is spelled "Carnegie".

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    5. Re:Thanks Bill by Tom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should address your good wishes to Melinda. Gates did very little beneficial before he met her, and ever since they married, he's started spending more and more on philantropy. To me that's exactly the sign of a man under the soft but efficient control of his wife slowly turning him around to what she wants.

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    6. Re:Thanks Bill by WalterGR · · Score: 4, Informative

      You should address your good wishes to Melinda. Gates did very little beneficial before he met her, and ever since they married, he's started spending more and more on philantropy. To me that's exactly the sign of a man under the soft but efficient control of his wife slowly turning him around to what she wants.

      "You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature." (Source)

      Correlation does not imply causation. Denigrating his generosity on account of when he was generous is just plain rude.

    7. Re:Thanks Bill by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Correlation does not imply causation. Denigrating his generosity on account of when he was generous is just plain rude."

      Those of us who have lived in Western Washington for a long time can attest to the fact that Bill seemed to go out of his way NOT to help the community, up until a little while after he married Melinda. I think I've posted it previously, but it was a running joke on a Seattle-based comedy show called "Almost Live" (which ran from the mid-80s to the mid-90s).

      However, I am glad to see the money getting spent on worthwhile projects - whatever the motivation. I just hope in the long run Melinda gets remembered for this more than for "Microsoft Bob".

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  21. Re:Oh shit by linvir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just a picture of a chair. It'd be beatifully subtle, but sufficiently childish.

  22. Chairman... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's going to stay chairman.

    He's replacing Ballmer!?!? O.o

    1. Re:Chairman... by Slithe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here is a simple diagram:

          o -- Joke

          o -- You
          -|-
          / \

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      ---- "XML is like violence. If it doesn't fix the problem, you aren't using enough."
    2. Re:Chairman... by Joebert · · Score: 3, Funny

      My head is made of jokes that are slightly off ?

      --
      Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
  23. Doubtful by wardk · · Score: 4, Funny

    So how long can he stay out of the game? Not long I suspect.

    just wait until he notices his company following antitrust law, behaving ethically, paying to license code they use.

    he'll swoop right in and put a stop to that real fast

  24. Cant forgive Ozzie for Lotus Notes. by LibertineR · · Score: 3, Funny
    I give Gates credit for wanting to devote more time to his charitable activities.

    That said, I think it is time to sell off the rest of my shares, since the man who gave the world Lotus Notes is now the Chief Software Architect at Microsoft. Sorry Ray, you are a good guy, but I cant forgive you for Notes, my man.

    1. Re:Cant forgive Ozzie for Lotus Notes. by Ian.Waring · · Score: 2, Insightful
      More like he made it in front of the parade that Len Kawell started years before at Digital (with Notes 11), then at Iris Associates - all in turn inspired by "The Network Nation" by Hiltz and Turoff - published in 1978). With a little help from Tim Halvorsen too (whose name appeared on the VAX/VMS microfiche as the author of $SHOW DEVICE/FILES in VMS V2). Ray may have contributed, but I think it lousy that he never corrects PR that positions him as the "father" of Lotus Notes.

      Ian W.

  25. He has a LOONG way to go to catch up with EARL by unity100 · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's got a loooooong list to clear out before he can get positive on karma.

  26. Re:Uhhhh... by linvir · · Score: 4, Interesting
    creates world's most successful company, becomes world's richest man, leaves day job to spend billions on charity

    You left out 'shapes computing the world over' (on the desktop).

    Gates kicks ass. He'd be the perfect role model if it weren't for some of his less savoury feats.

  27. From robber baron to philanthropist by timholman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bill Gates is doing the same thing that Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, and the other 19th century robber barons did - he is transitioning from the persona of a despised, cut-throat, take-no-prisoners monopolist to that of a benign philanthropist, and spending the billions he acquired in order to ensure his legacy. And just like the robber barons the 1800s, I have no doubt that Gates will be viewed as a wonderful benefactor of humanity a hundred years from now. Only the historians will remember how many people and companies he mercilessly crushed to create his fortune.

    1. Re:From robber baron to philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Crushing people and businesses in the name of profit is what wins in business. Like it or not, that's the nature of the US and competition in general. Will historians remember the Yankees for ruining many a team's season in baseball, or that they were one of the best dynasties in sporting history? If he didn't do the crushing, someone was going to crush him.

    2. Re:From robber baron to philanthropist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, we're supposed to feel sorry for those jerkwits who ran Netscape into the ground? Don't make me puke.

      The charitable foundations of men like Carnegie and Rockefeller have done more for human progress than any mewling social justice types, just as the Gates foundation will prove more beneficial than some inept NGO. In a free market society, the way to do good is to do well.

    3. Re:From robber baron to philanthropist by dhardisty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I have no doubt that Gates will be viewed as a wonderful benefactor of humanity a hundred years from now. Only the historians will remember how many people and companies he mercilessly crushed to create his fortune."

      He wil be remembered as a wonderful benefactor precisely because he was a ruthless and effective businessman. Whether you like him or not, he's smart and he knows how to make things work. He will do a lot of good with his money -- a lot more than if it were in the hands of a government or a random charitable organization. He has experience in how to effectively leverage absurd sums of money.

    4. Re:From robber baron to philanthropist by edbarbar · · Score: 4, Insightful


      So what? He's doing good, isn't he? Why do you care about the motives? Do you hate Bill Gates more than the good he is doing (this is not a rhetorical question)?

      Regarding what he did to other companies, he outcompeted them. I was at Novell and saw the errors at Novell cause it to fail, not helped at all by uSoft, so I have every reason to be bitter, but I'm not.

      Bill Gates (or rather uSoft) was caught violating the rules on a number of occasions, and they were punished, but it's not as if uSoft was an Enron or manipulated the US govt. as some large utilities and the ILECs do. I suspect breaking weak govt. rules is standard fare at the titan level too, and I don't think you can deprecate uSoft or Bill Gates for taking no prisoners. That's what business is all about: structured warfare, and the goal is to win. He won.

      By the way, I'm certainly no uSoft fan, and I have zero insight into what Bill Gates is as a person, but I can admire his achievements without being either incredibly jealous or bitter.

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      Ed Barbar, President and General Manager, Furnit USA
    5. Re:From robber baron to philanthropist by mlylecarlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      None of the Robber Barons was nearly this generous and none of the Robber Barons is viewed as a good man today, you simpering idiot.

      Seriously... ROBBER BARONS! AS IN, WE KNOW THEY ROBBED!

      He's going to leave his children ten million apiece! He's given half his money to charity already and most of the rest will go to charity when he dies. It's incredible that you don't see how good that is.

  28. Ambition... by Rice-Pudding · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gates is still ambitious.

    Bill Gates has achieved what most people only dream of in terms of their life's ambitions. What do most people want? Money? Sure, but that is not the end of everything. Most (normal) people actually want to make a contribution to society/the world; to leave a legacy, if you will. (Granted, Bill has already done that.)

    So when you have succeeded beyond your wildest ambitions, then what? Gates cannot actually spend his money on himself fast enough. There comes a point when you start to want to spend it on your legacy instead. Hence, the charity funding. But this is still ambition.

    (Of course, I wish more people would reach that stage.)

  29. Speaking of monopolies... by tehshen · · Score: 2, Insightful
    chairman of the board

    I thought when you get that card you have to pay everyone else $50. And yes, I do think that is appropriate use of money. :)
    --
    Guy asked me for a quarter for a cup of coffee. So I bit him.
    1. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by rwven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you that dense? Have you ever heard of the Gates foundation? Bill has given literally billions of dollars to charities. He himself has almost single-handedly funded the entire slew of vaccination projects in africa. Gates, while maybe lacking in some "business ethics" areas been been "SHARING HIS FORTUNE" for a long time. How many other billionaires have given many billions of their own money for such purposes? Wait, i'll answer that: None.

    2. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Informative

      Erm, John 'Anaconda' Rockefeller? I think in real terms he is still number one, at least that was the impression I got. Either way, great philanthropy does not make up for shoddy business practices. Microsofts monopoly abuse has had serious consequences for the economy just like Standard Oil did. In the end that has harmed far more people than the philathropy has helped because the market is more efficient than charity.

    3. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by pluther · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...without Gates, "we wouldn't have the Internet."
      How dare he try to take credit for Al Gore's work!
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      If the masses can keep you down, you're not the Ubermensch.
    4. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People always bring this up so what the hell I have karma to burn....

      1) Bill Gates didn't give one cent to charity until after the trial started.
      2) The foundation is not Bill Gates.
      3) Bill Gates does not take money out of his pocket to give to charity. He gives stock to the foundation which then sells the stock and gives away the money. Bill is giving away POTENTIAL INCOME not money he already has.
      4) Bill still gives away a smaller percent of his fortune then most regular americans do, he just happens to be obscenely rich due mainly to his lack of "business ethics".
      5) The bible is peppered with sayings about how the poor man who gives away a shekel is more moral then the rich who gives more. The phrase "give till it hurts" comes to mind and I don't think anybody is arguing that Bill is hurting.
      6) Many otherwise sick, deranged, sleazy, people have given lots of money to charities. Osama immediately comes to mind as does Ken Lay and a countless drug lords in south america. Giving away some small percentage of you money does not undo all the harm you have done. People who have gotten ill gains frequently give a lot of money to charity to try and win public support.
      7) If I make 30K a year and I give away 10% of my income I am going to suffer. That three thousand dollars would be three months worth of rent in most places in the US. If I was worth a 100 billion dollars and I gave away 90% of money I would still have 10 BILLION DOLLARS. If I gave away 99% of my money I would still have a billion dollars. Can you live on a billion dollars? I know I can.

      So excuse me if I am not all that impressed that Bill G after charging monopoly prices to billions of people gives away two or three percent of his earning to charity. I am glad you are so impressed though. His PR machine must be working.

      --
      evil is as evil does
    5. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by bogjobber · · Score: 3, Informative
      How many other billionaires have given many billions of their own money for such purposes? Wait, i'll answer that: None.

      Wait, here's an actual answer: a whole hell of a lot of them. People have this misconception that because somebody has a lot of money that they are evil. Here are some billionaires that have given, or have promised to give, a huge percentage of their estate to charity: Warren Buffet, John Huntsman, Sr., Ted Turner, George Soros, Eli Broad, and Alfred Mann.

      Also, don't forget the old robber barons (and family) who created some incredibly great things through their gifts to charity: Andrew Carnegie, John_Rockefeller, John_Rockefeller, Jr., Leland Stanford, etc. Stanford, Carnegie, and especially Rockefeller, Sr. were huge assholes in the way they gained their wealth, but gave much of that back to the people through important and enduring social and cultural institutions.

      These are just people I can think of off the top of my head. There are plenty of people that I'm forgetting. My point is that you can't simply characterize a person by how much wealth they have, either in a positive or negative way.

      Rich people are just that, people. Some are assholes, some are really great people. Some of them recognize that they are fortunate to be where they are and want to give back to the community. Don't be ignorant and assume otherwise.

    6. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 5, Insightful


      He gave to charity long before the trial. Stock does have a real value. So giving away lots of stock = giving away lots of money.
      He's already given away over 60% of his net worth which is way more than any regular joe I know.
      His foundation is his AND his wifes. Yes she has a lot to do with it but where does the money come from. Hint...NOT FROM HER!
      Their foundation (I just learned this today form NPR) is funding 90% of the world effort to get rid of polio. That's one effort of many but if they succeed at just that one it will be huge.
      It matters not what you think of MS and how he got his money. He's doing a lot of good things with it. His wife doesn't get all the credit either. His father also had a lot to do with it growing up.

    7. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      1) Bill Gates didn't give one cent to charity until after the trial started.

      Bill Gates didn't start selling off his Microsoft stock until he retired as CEO of the company. As it turns out, he was a busy man and managing giving away billions of dollars is ridiculously difficult. It wasn't until his father and his wife showed up on the scene and he stepped down as CEO that he was able to manage the process.

      2) The foundation is not Bill Gates.

      No, its the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. She brought a mid-level manager salary and a room full of IKEA furniture worth of assets to the party.

      3) Bill Gates does not take money out of his pocket to give to charity. He gives stock to the foundation which then sells the stock and gives away the money. Bill is giving away POTENTIAL INCOME not money he already has.

      Stock is not potential income - it has real value. Just because it fluctuates according to the market doesn't mean that its meaningless - by that argument, being paid in dollars isn't real money either because your salary fluctuates daily relative to the euro. The fact of the matter is, all of Bill Gate's money is in non-liquid assets. All rich people's money is in non-liquid assets, except for a few old-school European banking families, and their real assets are debtors note which are less liquid than stock is.

      4) Bill still gives away a smaller percent of his fortune then most regular americans do, he just happens to be obscenely rich due mainly to his lack of "business ethics".

      Patently untrue. His foundation has distributed substantially less money than he has given them, but that's by design. First - believe it or not, giving away billions meaningfully is hard. Most philanthropic projects look for grants in the million to ten million range. Each one has to be vetted and held accountable to their use of the money, or you're doing more harm than good with it. A management structure to handle that is amazingly complicated. At the same time, giving away all his money to various charities is incredibly harmful - for a decade, charities will receive tens of billions of dollars in extra income and then it will just one day stop and those charities will effectively stop functioning. Part of the purpose of the foundation is to ensure reinvestment of the estate to make sure that it can be a force for good over the next century.

      5) The bible is peppered with sayings about how the poor man who gives away a shekel is more moral then the rich who gives more. The phrase "give till it hurts" comes to mind and I don't think anybody is arguing that Bill is hurting.

      You can't spend money that fast. Seriously. BillG could say today "I'm going to spend 10 billion dollars in Africa by the end of the year" and the only way he could do it is to literally drop it out of airplanes. BillG has announced the intentions of his estate and he will give it all away, but in a structured and meaningful way instead of just wasting it.

      6) Many otherwise sick, deranged, sleazy, people have given lots of money to charities. Osama immediately comes to mind as does Ken Lay and a countless drug lords in south america. Giving away some small percentage of you money does not undo all the harm you have done. People who have gotten ill gains frequently give a lot of money to charity to try and win public support.

      Osama kills people. Ken Lay knowingly destroyed the financial security of tens of thousands of employees and countless shareholders. The CEO of Dow Chemical knowingly covered up waste dumps which poisoned hundreds of thousands of people. The leadership of oil companies knowingly apply political pressure to force a continuous state of war that affects close to a billion people. WalMart leadership (and Apple's if you believe the recent news stories) leverage sweatships and effective slave labor to pad their profits. If you assume every charge

    8. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by killjoe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "It matters not what you think of MS and how he got his money."

      Really? You honestly think it doesn't matter how you get the money as long as you give two percent to charity?

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      evil is as evil does
    9. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by killjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Every day hundreds of millions of Americans wake up and go to work. They earn good honest money doing good honest work and they pay their taxes. Out of those taxes hundreds of billions go to provide food stamps, health care, heating oil, transportation, clean water, vaccinations, and a slew of other services for the poor and indigent of the world. Hundreds of billions. Furthermore the combined charitable output of those hundreds of millions of americans dwarfs Bills.

      That's the cathedral and the bazaar for you. I am more impressed with my neighbor who gets up every day and sits in a parking lot all day come rain or shine then I am with Bill G. If Bill G decided not to charge monopoly prices for his goods then those hundreds of billions of people would have a few extra cents in their pockets.

      Glad you are so impressed with his giving though.

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      evil is as evil does
    10. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you are talking about United States vs Microsoft, filed on May 18, 1998, then how do you explain the William H. Gates Foundation founded in 1994 (focusing on health issues in developing countries) or the Gates Learning Foundation founded in 1997? These two were later merged into the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And he has not just given stock... in 1999 he gave $5bn from his own pocket. In 1998 he gave all his Microsoft Stock dividends to charity as well ~$3bn. This is not POTENTIAL INCOME, it *is* INCOME.

      If you did any research you would know that while he gave some stock, the foundation's endowments are immediately converted to cash. He has donated $26bn of his personal fortune, yes some in the form of stock, but a large chunk in the form of cash to charity. As for your point #4, this is approximately 40% of his current net worth. I don't know *any* other americans that give that much. He is only 51 years old, and has at least 10, maybe 20 more years to continue giving away his personal fortune. He is also smart enough to know that just giving random organizations money does not solve problems, and that giving it all away in one chunk would probably be a bad move.

      A better place to read about Bill's charity work

      Who is more charitable? The Rich man that gives all his money away, or the Rich man that gives a percentage away every year. In the long run, you know the latter will give away more money.

    11. Re:Speaking of monopolies... by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Steve hasn't been successful enough to do nearly as much social good so it doesn't really matter."

      Only in the eyes of an IDIOT is Steve Jobs not "successful enough".

      What's on Jobs' list of accomplishments you might ask? How about being one of the few computer companies to last through Gates' tyranny? How about changing the music industry?

      No? How about giving one of the movie industry's biggest names (Disney) a run for their money -- and winning?

      You say Jobs is unsuccessful. . . looking at all the big-time animated movies, I'd say you're wrong. Toy Story/Toy Story 2, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, A Bug's Life, Monsters Inc. . . I'd say Jobs did pretty well for himself.

      Jobs might not donate a lot of money, I don't know, but he has certainly done a lot to make computing easier and better - MacOS has had speech recognition and other helpful technologies for quite some time now - and I'd say he's done his share to make the entertainment industry better, both with his flat pricing for all songs and with his movies that you know are "kid-safe" and are good family entertainment.

  30. Re:The final nail in the coffin by linvir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft 'leans on its entrenched install base to survive' in the same way that Rupert Murdoch 'would be nothing without his billions of dollars and his global media network'. You're right, but it's not very meaningful.

  31. Re:The final nail in the coffin by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Far from it. Microsoft's market share doesn't mean much if the company no longer innovates and takes seven years to release a new version of its flagship product. This is the tech market. That is a hugely long time. People don't take this company seriously anymore. Microsoft was once written as the threatening beast, but they are now mentioned sarcastically, often as punchline. Companies and small startups no longer fear them. The fire and energy is at Google and Apple.

    Their stock price is flatline, they have an out-of-touch CEO, their #1 product hasn't been updated in six years, they bleed money in markets they don't belong in, companies internally refer to Vista and the process behind it as "broken" (See here). Hell, this news comes two days after the worst Patch Tuesday of 2006. I argue that they absolutely are irrelevant. All they can do now is lean on their entrenched install base, and that means they're no longer moving forward. Sadly, it makes them a relic.

    Linux will continue to gobble up servers, and Windows will continue to sort of lamely deflate in the desktop market. Analysts are actually predicting a massive increase in Apple market share, as much as triple. But more importantly, the direction in tech now is the web and digital media--Google and Apple's #1 markets. Windows is "meh."

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    "Sufferin' succotash."
  32. Out of the frying pan? by ndansmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess some could be excited about Gates leaving, but do we really want Dick Cheney, er, I mean Ballmer to be in charge of things?

  33. In a separate statement, Steve Jobs announced by grolaw · · Score: 2, Funny

    his latest Apple branded product - the iWin corporate management app. (co-branded with Bil-b-gone).

    Typical of Job's Keynote addresses, the iWin app is ready for the market and has shipped-out.

    Fashion designers everywhere are tooling up to meet the anticipated black turtleneck demand and are cutting the production of pocket protectors and short-sleeve dress shirts.

    Steve Ballmer was last seen applying for a job with Disney.

  34. Ballmer's response by saleenS281 · · Score: 4, Funny

    When asked about his thoughts on this position change, Ballmer was quoted:

    "I'll fucking KILL him!"

  35. Talking of Vista... by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...how many Slashdotians have noticed that the blog mentioned in an earlier story from a Microsoft engineer on the delays of Vista has been removed? It says it was without pressure, but I'd probably type that too if Steve Balmer were in the room, armed with heavy-duty chairs.

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    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  36. Re:Uhhhh... by rmpotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes -- brilliant! You've captured the essences of the Slashdot v Microsoft "drama".

    And congratulations to Bill for having the sense to move on with his life. Microsoft may not be the most ethical of companies, but they are no Enron. Bill Gates is no Kenneth Lay. If you want some other perspective, compare Gates with Jobs. I don't know what Larry Ellison is doing these days, but in the past, his main "philanthropic" ambition was to donate to an anti-aging research foundation.

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  37. Re:Mobsters are also famous for charity by Y0tsuya · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You just have to look at Gates charity in giving computers to schools. Windows. Oh yeah, the first one is free kids.

    Hey, they can quit anytime they want. Windows is not dope.

    So the man spent 30 years crushing the competition using brutal and sometimes unethical business practices. Big deal. Everybody on the losing end whines but secretly loves to be in his shoes. Now he realizes he has too much money and wants to give it back. I have zero problem with that. You don't like it, fine, nobody's forcing you to take his money.

  38. Re:Penance? by ElephanTS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this about him too. He's not stupid - he knows Windows isn't that good and that his wealth is largely undeserved. It's a recipe for guilt.

    I'm glad he does the charity stuff though and hope he manages to give most of his money away.

    One thing people don't really appreciate is that Gates' wealth is (to a certain extent) unavailable to him. If he pulled that much money out of MSFT the share price would tank and he would lose big-time.

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  39. Conversation just a few years from now: by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dad: "You can play your XBox 10 for another hour, then it's bedtime. Don't get assimilated by Microsoft Borg, boys. Ha Ha."

    Son #1: Looks at his younger brother rolls his eyes. "Er, we won't Dad"

    Dad leaves the room.

    Son #2: What's dad talking about?

    Son #1: I think he went to school with a guy named Gates who was always throwing chairs or something. Don't ask him about it - we'll get a long boring story.

  40. The End of an Era? by Banner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like him or not, Bill Gates did a lot for personal computers, and honestly, those of us who use them and even the world. MicroSoft wrote a lot of good compilers and a lot of good programs, and while many may gripe, windows, windows98, windowsNT and windowsXP were pretty damn good products.

    Bill was rare in that he had vision and the ability to do technical things, and was a very driven person. He was the guy we all loved, then when he got rich he was the guy we all loved to 'hate'. But I remember what it was like before him, and he really did help change the world.

    At this point the only person left from the original shakers and movers is Steve Jobs. Steve isn't much of a technical person, but he has been a visionary in the past equal to Bill. I have to wonder how much longer till he bows out?

    And to be completely honest, it makes me wonder what the next bunch of 'snotty nosed kids' (as my compsci prof used to call Gates, Jobs, and Woz) will come up with. Every time an Era ends, a new one starts after all...

  41. Government's Response by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    At which point Dick Cheney said "Go fuck yourself!",
    and shot Ballmer in the face.

    Ha! Didn't see that plot twist coming did you?
    Man, this stuff writes itself.

    1. Re:Government's Response by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ballmer was on the way to recovering, when Ted Kennedy offered him a ride home...

  42. Re:Oh shit by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's my try - large and small - need to tweak the small version's readability (perhaps a different chair) - but it's a start:

    http://siliconpop.com/chair.jpg
    http://siliconpop.com/chair.gif

  43. Re:Uhhhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    God I love it when people twist the Ugly Reality of Bill Gates into the Beautiful Legend of Bill Gates. Yeah, he built one of the most successful companies ever, using dirty tricks, outright theft, and funding backhanded lawsuits against competitors.

    Meanwhile, the Open Source community, usually reviled by people like you as the "communist bad guys" have built an entire software stack that is available to the world free of charge. If you had to put a dollar sign behind the distribution of code used worldwide, it would amount to BILLIONS of dollars worth of software available to anyone the world over for free of charge. How many hundreds of thousands of people, their families and their communities, are now employed in places like South America, China, Africa, etc thanks to the generous spirit of the Open Source community? How many MORE people will have the opportunity to learn new modern technologies thanks to the availability of open source software? THe B&MG foundation is a great way to redistribute wealth that was accumulated by questionable means, but the open source movement is a far more effective way to build and maintain the health of impoverished areas that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford the costs that do nothing but line the pockets of organizations like the B&MG foundation.

    As they say, you can feed a man with a fish for a day, or you can teach him to fish and feed him for life.

  44. With MS's track record... by IW4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    We can expect him to be released around October 2012. Fantastic.

  45. Re:Uhhhh... by glas_gow · · Score: 2, Funny
    Dude, I think *he* won

    He only won in reality. Whereas we won in irony.

  46. Well... by Poromenos1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What part(s) of my resume should I brush up when applying for the job of "master villian and arch-nemisis of WonderTorvalds?"

    Spelling, probably :P

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  47. Are you a woman? by Poromenos1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I resent that. Why is it that every time a woman convinces a man to do something (against which he might not even have had strong feelings) she's controlling him? You know, it's entirely possible that Bill wasn't too averse to the idea of donating some of his money to charity, and his wife might have just given him that nudge.

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  48. Gates = modern day Robin Hood by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Those of you calling Gates "evil", "villainous", etc, in order to belittle his philanthropic activities, consider this:
    The companies that Gates "crushed" were rich companies whose execs had become rich themselves.
    So Gates took from those rich fat cats (through unethical means, according to the Gates haters), and is now giving to the poor. That makes him a high-tech Robin Hood. And just like the government tried to bring down Robin Hood, they tried to bring down Gates. What say you to that? ;-)

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  49. The beauty of capitalism by ZoneGray · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is the beauty of capitalism. No matter how rich and powerful you are, you still get fired when you screw up.

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  51. Anti-aging "Philantropic" organizations by MikShapi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I had the kind of money these guys carry around, that's EXACTLY where I'd be plugging it.

    Even for my smaller money, that is the one and only place I'd think of donating putting it.

    There's nothing even remotely on the scale of the amount of good to humanity in general, to EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, that comes close dealing aging a blow. The amount of subsequent evils this would postpone, reduce or even, at some point, completely obliterate, from cancer to heart disease to any other form of our bodies growing frail, falling apart, and eventually killing 100,000 of us *each day*, is by many orders of magnitude bigger than feeding any number of kids in Africa. In the long term, even to the kids in Africa themselves.

    Every dollar in places such as the multi-million M-Prize competition encourages 10-20$ in research, if past competitions such as the X-Prize are to serve as an indicator.

    Every dollar spent on targeted research (as opposed to research for the sake of research, only stumbling on useful anti-aging applications by chance) towards fixing things we *know* deteriorate in our bodies and that ideas (that require research) on how to fixing them are on the table, is nothing short of helping humanity as a whole. In the most literal sense of the word. Every dollar there increases our (read: your and my) chances of benefiting from them and living *significantly* longer (read: more than the 5-8 years on average that the linear graph anticipates for us at this stage. 15 Would be great. 25 Would be wonderful. And if those 25 get us to the point when better treatments are available that can keep us vigorous another 15 years, you won't see me objecting to that either).

    Your sarcasm as put forth by the quotes is misplaced.

    Real Anti-Aging research (as opposed to the cosmetic/snake-oil industry that shares the same name) that targets aging on the cellular level, is the by-far single most important charity one can donate to.

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    1. Re:Anti-aging "Philantropic" organizations by MikShapi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would you extend your wish to live longer to 6 billion other people on the planet?
      YES.
      Could the world continue to feed enough oil and gas and out-of-season food to 300 million Americans who are hundred plus years old?
      YES, You can use thorium to sustain all our energy needs for thousands of years to come. I find your question about the availability of food amusing in light of your country's obesity epidemic. Seriously, we've reached the stage where food in any quantity is abundant and cheap. Space is also abundant for the near and mid-term. I believe the biggest resource issue will be power, but like I said, we have enough thorium to sustain us for a long time yet, and by the time it runs out new power sources will have been tapped.

      >> Would you send 19-year-olds to fight in Iraq (or wherever) while you lounged about in your 60th year of retirement?
      No. For the protocol, I'm an aussie, but we have our 19-year-olds in Iraq as well, and I strongly oppose it regardless of where I spend my retirement. I think it's neither within our national interest nor yours.
      I'd use the same dollar in pushing things like this kind of research rather than "liberate" Iraq from exporting oil in Euros.

      >> I'd rather learn to live well and put up with my 75 or 80 years (i hope!) and then let someone else have a chance.

      And I'd rather "put up" (I actually enjoy life. I like it. I don't just "put up" with it). and then let someone else have a chance too. but without the me dying bit. I don't think I need to die in order to make place for my two munchkins. Neither do I want my old man to die to make space for me. There's plenty space for all of us.
      Read the link I put up above. If people stopped dying of old age tomorrow (a very radical case we're not in any danger of seeing soon), the planet's population would grow by one large city per year. Hardly a change we would not have time to adjust to. Besides, in such an extreme case, people's biological clocks would effectively stop ticking and a large percentage of the population would not be pressured into having kids in the first 4 decades of their lives, effectively slowing down the birth rate and mitigating the growth rate. And that's before we suggested introducing more radical (e.g. china) or less radical (e.g. taxation) population growth measures.

      >> No doubt the anti-aging researchers will solve this "problem" and you may get your way
      No. The anti-aging researchers will simply allow you to live longer, and deteriorate slower. Society as a whole will have to find ways of dealing with the problems that will arise (and have no doubt, some major ones will, and some very fundamental social structures will need to be changed to accomodate this new reality, but it's something we've done so much and so successfully in the last century and before that that particular bit is the one that has me least worried. Our social structures are designed to easily withstand and accomodate radical technologically-driven changes), but that will be out of the hands of the researchers and way out of their depth.

      Debating it today, when the possibility to throw big money at it today is there is definitely not a bad thing. And the more attention this subject gets (and the more charity funds that get diverted to treating the problem and not the symptoms), the better.

      >> There may even be a handful of gifted people who will benefit the world by having an extra 50 years of time in which to work. But that will be the exception.

      That's bull.

      Do you have to earn some social merit in order to be allowed access to antibiotics today? (one of the major causes of our current average lifespan being roughly twice and a half again that of people two centuries ago?)

      No.

      Everyone gets it. Everyone has a right to live. Any other agenda will have its propagator voted out of office by the majority of the public in any free-

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  52. Sadness by tkarr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a sad day for me. My salute to a great mind: *salute*.

  53. He is Batman by joystickgenie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Man when I read this I had images of Bruce Wayne and Wayne corp.

    He just needs more time for his superhero alter ego.

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  55. Re:Holy Shit by ilikejam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You could always use Slashdot AND digg.
    Somewhat surprisingly, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

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  56. Gates Is Doing A Good Thing by GaryPatterson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think Gates is doing something no-one else can do. He's redistributing wealth from the first world to the third world and doing what he can to make the world better.

    To get his massive wealth he's done things that were dishonest and even illegal (Microsoft never could overturn the illegal monopoly decision).

    But - and this is the crux - if he didn't have that wealth he couldn't do the things he can now. The wealth would be distributed throughout many people in North America, where it'd be likely to stay.

    Sometimes the ends *do* justify the means.

    I find it bizarre to praise Gates - as a computer enthusiast for 25 years now (I'm 35) I've come to see him as a net negative in the industry. We've got a monolithic company, a software monoculture, a history of massive security holes and illegal product tying. I believe the industry has suffered greatly because of Microsoft.

    But I still see his charity outweighs any negatives.

    1. Re:Gates Is Doing A Good Thing by Pastis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So a charity with 40 billion $ is going to outweight a Software Industry worth of thousands of billion dollars. Now Bill Gates is a sort of Robin Hood. It stole from the rich to give to the poor.

      Drug dealers in South America also benefit the poor peasants. I guess the end do justify the means :)

      Let's be honest. We have no way to know whether Microsoft (and the resulting charity) had not been there, the world would be a better or worse place today.

      I personally think that companies like Ubuntu create more value for the people. All the people.

  57. I'm thrilled as a stockholder by gelfling · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MS stock has languished since 1998
    Gates has been asleed at the wheel
    There have been no new products
    Everything is slipping even by MS's squishy standards
    No one believes what they say anymore when they talk about their priorities

    It's all well and good for Gates to give away his money but I am damned sick of him giving away MINE.