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GTAIV to use Engine from Table Tennis

WedgeTalon writes "Joystiq reports that GTAIV will be using the engine that powered Rockstar's Table Tennis — Rockstar Advanced Game Engine (RAGE)." From the article: "I contacted MTV News' Stephen Totilo to see just how definite this was, and he returned, I met with Rockstar publicists and producers for Table Tennis twice prior to the game's release. Both times they volunteered that RAGE would serve as the engine for all next-gen Rockstar games. Including GTA? I asked both times. Including GTA they said both times."

83 comments

  1. So...? by Kesch · · Score: 5, Funny

    We beat up hookers with ping-pong paddles now?

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    1. Re:So...? by Jakob777 · · Score: 1

      Dont be silly we use the hooker to replenish our stamina for the ping pong :P

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    2. Re:So...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A-Hoyhoyhoyhoyhoyhoyhoy!!

      Yoo so funny! Yoo so funnee!!

    3. Re:So...? by Lectrik · · Score: 1
      Dont be silly we use the hooker to replenish our stamina for the ping pong :P

      And then we beat them with the paddles?
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  2. Table tennis by Ramble · · Score: 2, Funny
    Table tennis?

    Won't someone please think of the children!

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    1. Re:Table tennis by Cerberus7 · · Score: 1

      With a capital "T" and that rhymes with "P" and that stands for Pool!

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  3. Hot Coffee by shawngarringer · · Score: 1

    Just imagine what secrets they could lock in there! Perhaps, you can pick up a prostitute and shoot some ping-pong balls around!

    1. Re:Hot Coffee by Ray+Radlein · · Score: 2, Funny

      There was this one time when I was in Thailand, you see, and...

  4. Ping pong... by dubmun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That game is pretty good looking. They could do worse than to use that engine.

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  5. This Just In by notBowen · · Score: 5, Funny

    GTAIV supports up to five pedestrians on screen at once.

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    1. Re:This Just In by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      dude, that was san andreas.... we're talking next gen technology here, so up to 10 peds at once... and up to THREE unique car models at once!!!!

    2. Re:This Just In by chrnb · · Score: 0

      Hopefully this will lead to something missing from the previous GTAs, the feeling of roaming around in a really crowded city. Just imagine huge traffic jams and crowds and just mowing mofos down like crazy!

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  6. 2d by iMaple · · Score: 1

    isnt table tennis ping pong, where you hit a small ball with a paddle. The last time I played that videogame it was a on a new machine less than 20 years old with really nice beep sounds. Boy, I cant wait for the next GTA . (actually reinds me of a Simpsons epsiode where they are abducted by some kind aliens who show off their ping pong game) :)

    1. Re:2d by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      THere's been a lot of commercials for it on G4. The graphics don't look bad, its a full 3D game. I still get wierded out when I see the commercials though.

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    2. Re:2d by MrSquirrel · · Score: 3, Funny

      *the aliens show off their advanced computer program*
      Homer: Marge and I played that back when we were first dating.
      *The Simpsons scoff*
      Kang: Anyone from a species that has mastered intergalactic travel
      raise your hand. [raises his tentacle]
      Kodos: [raises his tentacle]
      Bart: [raises his hand]
      Homer: [slaps Bart's hand]
      Kang: All right, then.
      Marge: I'm sorry. Your game is very nice.

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    3. Re:2d by lexarius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!

  7. This is surprising? by xswl0931 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see why anyone would be surprised by this. You think Rockstar spend R&D $$$ to create an engine that would only be used for one game?

    1. Re:This is surprising? by mateo+demoni · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More specifically, did anyone think Rockstar spend R&D $$$ to create an engine that would only be used for one Ping-Pong game of all things?

    2. Re:This is surprising? by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, we're talking about very different purposes here so the engine would be very flexible.

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    3. Re:This is surprising? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Well, we're talking about very different purposes here so the engine would be very flexible.

      The problem with very flexible engines is that they are essentially a poor reimplementation of C compiler and OpenGL library - assuming that they use compiled scripts, of course; if they use interpreted scripts, it's more like a Basic interpreter and the Draw command, at least as far as speed is concerned ;).

      I'm not dissing Rockstar's engine, since I've never seen it in action, but just pointing out this little logical flaw in the idea of a "very flexible engine". Programming languagees are flexible, programs should be specialized. The Daily WTF is full of great examples of what happens when you insist on making a program that is flexible enough to do anything: it ends up being an inefficient (with both computer and developer time) reimplementation of a programming language.

      Of course programs can be modular and easily extensible, so that each individual module does just one thing and does it well, and they can be easily bound together to quicly build new programs. But an engine that is equally suited for table tennis and GTA is not going to shine at either unless it was designed by a genius.

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    4. Re:This is surprising? by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      well seeing how it shines very, very well in Table Tennis. . . I think that depending on how GTAIV turns out you may have unproven your own argument.

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    5. Re:This is surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, am I the only one that looked at Table Tennis and saw a big 'fsck you' to the censorship/goverment/whatever community at large over the whole Hot Coffee thing? Seriously. I'm sure the gta4 engine has been in dev for a while, so they used it to make the big FU game. They then hyped the hell out of it just because they could.

      Seriously. Plain as the nose on my face.

  8. Does it bother anyone else...? by MarkusQ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it just me, but does anyone else think it's odd that the people who brought us "Hot Coffee" decided to go with an engine specifically designed to model bouncing balls?

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  9. Great PR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this must be their reaction to all that videogame violence diatribe

  10. Beautiful shaders, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they really need to work on their animation. The uncanny valley isn't going to come in the form of characters that don't look quite real; it will come in characters that look perfectly realistic and/or believable, but move like mannequins on ice skates. Rockstar's Table Tennis is a perfect example of this, and I expect GTA will be too; the best looking games of this generation will be the ones with the smoothest, most appropriate animations, NOT necessarily the ones with the perfectly normal mapped skin pores. Both the PS3 and 360 have VPUs - USE THEM!

    1. Re:Beautiful shaders, but... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      they really need to work on their animation.

      The cutscenes in GTA3 looked pretty good animation wise, I wouldn't worry too much.

      Both the PS3 and 360 have VPUs - USE THEM!

      What's that got to do with a person's ability to make convincing animation?

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  11. It is 100% Certain by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in... Slashdot.org reports that Joystiq.com reports that Gamespot reports that TotalVideoGames.com reports that MTV reports that a public relations spokesman who was involved in the marketing for one of Rock Star games has claimed that he has full knowledge of future product implementation decisions.

    1. Re:It is 100% Certain by yincrash · · Score: 1

      If I remember my childhood telephone games correctly, that information has to be 100% factual.

    2. Re:It is 100% Certain by Lectrik · · Score: 1
      If I remember my childhood telephone games correctly, that information has to be 100% factual.


      I agree completely, If I remember my childhood telephone games correctly, that information has to be 100% factual purple monkey dishwasher.
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    3. Re:It is 100% Certain by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      Now that I've read it in an anonymous /. posting, I *know* it's true.

      -Eric

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  12. GTAIV?!? by bunions · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bleech. If I get a vote, I vote GTA4. I don't think we need to introduce MORE weird shit into our acronyms.

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    1. Re:GTAIV?!? by Axeus · · Score: 1

      Uh, since when do roman numerals count as "weird shit"? Since the No Child Left Behind act?

    2. Re:GTAIV?!? by bunions · · Score: 5, Funny

      because it's not immediately obvious that they're numbers instead of abbreviations. GTA4 or Grand Theft Auto, Insane Violence edition?

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    3. Re:GTAIV?!? by Traiklin · · Score: 1
      Uh, since when do roman numerals count as "weird shit"? Since the No Child Left Behind act?
      yes, cause Roman Numerals aren't AMERICAN! they are from those terrorists the Romans! thinking they can take over out country by walking across a border then bombing everything in site! DEATH TO THE ROMANS! DEATH TO THE NUMERALS! We must teach our children to not think or form opinions!
    4. Re:GTAIV?!? by jibjibjib · · Score: 1

      OMG! Arabic numerals aren't American either! They were invented by Arabs! Muslims! Terrorists! OMG! :-P

    5. Re:GTAIV?!? by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      You'll take 4? I think they're trying to pull a Tony Hawk, but worse. Let's look at the list of games, shal we?

      GTA
      GTA: London 1969
      GTA 2
      GTA 3
      (here is where GTA 4 would fit in, except we already have 4 games behind it, so it should be 5)
      GTA:VC
      GTA:SA
      GTA:LCS
      GTA4?

      By my reconing, it should be GTA8. If you want to leave out London1969, it's 7. Just because you're changing engines doesn't mean you get to fuck with how numbers work.

    6. Re:GTAIV?!? by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      OMG! Arabic numerals aren't Arabic either! They were invented by Hindus! Indians! Peaceful! OMG! :-P

    7. Re:GTAIV?!? by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      Rockstar did not invent this. Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, Final Fantasy X-2. (Note to mention the american numbering, 1, 2, 3, 7 ...).

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    8. Re:GTAIV?!? by bunions · · Score: 1

      OMG! The Pakistanis totally would like a word with you! ZOMG!

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    9. Re:GTAIV?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe neither of you mentioned the Street Fighter series!

    10. Re:GTAIV?!? by AndreiK · · Score: 1

      Grand Theft Auto: Intravenously.

    11. Re:GTAIV?!? by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      It actually seems to be a common tactic (the american numbering pisses me off... "let's not release games in america!").
      Tony Hawk did it. 1,2,3,4,underground, u2, american wasteland....
      MegaMan did it. MegaMan 1-8; Megaman X1-8; MegaMan Zero 1-4; MegaMan Battle Network 1-6. That's probably the worst, overall. That, by my reconing, makes 26 MegaMan games. Honestly, I can't think of any series that's worse than that.

    12. Re:GTAIV?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GTA4 or Grand Theft Auto, Insane Violence edition?

      I'm nearly positive that those are the same game.

  13. eureka! by underwhelm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been pounding my palm into my temple, trying to force myself to imagine why in the world Rockstar Games created and published a table tennis simulator.

    It makes perfect sense to me now--it's so obvious! It's just a proof-of-concept of their new GTA engine.

    They didn't make table tennis and think to themselves: "hey, it turns out we've got a great new foundation for our 3d sandbox franchise!" It's been the other way around the whole time. "we need a great new foundation for our 3d sandbox franchise... but let's do something small and simple first to get all the kinks out."

    I wouldn't be surprised if there's a ping-pong minigame in the next GTA.

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    1. Re:eureka! by KIondike · · Score: 1

      That's *exactly* what I was thinking, underwhelm. Very craft. Although don't dismiss the table tennis simulator out of hand; I heard it's really good.

    2. Re:eureka! by kamapuaa · · Score: 1
      I've been pounding my palm into my temple, trying to force myself to imagine why in the world Rockstar Games created and published a table tennis simulator.

      Wow, sounds like you need to get out more.

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    3. Re:eureka! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's just bizarre. Why would he want to fuck someone's pig of a mother? I feel for him.

    4. Re:eureka! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Took ya long enough to figure it out.

    5. Re:eureka! by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think you might be a little off on the motivation. After all, Rockstar has never been a company that cares about working out the kinks in their engines/games (GTA:VC was filled to the brim with annoying bugs but still sold insane numbers). No, I think it's more likely that Take Two, because of their financial troubles, asked Rockstar to give them a game for a particular release period (helping to fill the gap until GTA4) and they came up with Table Tennis. Let's face it: Rockstar doesn't need proof of anything to sell millions of GTA4 discs. :)

  14. I missed hot coffee by Nazmun · · Score: 1

    What exactly did rockstar do?

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    1. Re:I missed hot coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kind of complicated... Read this.

    2. Re:I missed hot coffee by MarkusQ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's a write-up. If you truly managed to miss hearing about this, I can only conclude that you have a life. Congratulations. I only wish there were more people like you (myself included). It boggles the mind how many bazillions of braincells must be wasted on this sort of trivia annually.

      Or, to quote Andy Prieboy "I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then."

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    3. Re:I missed hot coffee by shinma · · Score: 1

      Oooh, Andy Prieboy.

      Tomorrow Wendy is probably one of the most beautiful songs recorded in the last 30 years, especially when Johnette sings it.

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    4. Re:I missed hot coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, to quote Andy Prieboy "I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then."

      He wrote "Against the Wind?"

    5. Re:I missed hot coffee by MarkusQ · · Score: 1

      No, "Big Rock Finish"

      --MarkusQ

    6. Re:I missed hot coffee by MarkusQ · · Score: 1

      Agreed, though I'm partial to "Wine Red and TV Blue" and "Maybe It's Not Her Head" myself.

      Don't ask me why.

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    7. Re:I missed hot coffee by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Duh, I think his point was that Rockstar didn't create the hotcoffee mod. (though yes they did create much its content). Either way parent was being sarcastic.

  15. Americano by cno3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Those are going to be the sweatiest-looking sex avatars ever rendered in a console game.

  16. Rockstar Owns by ezwip · · Score: 0

    There will be an increase in violence associated with ping pong tournaments. I'm not sure what RockStar is up to but you can be sure it's going to be good. That little Japanese kid thinks he is so tough at the other end of the table... until I pull out my flame thrower.

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  17. well, duh... by arclyte · · Score: 1

    I was waiting for this news to break. I figured it was coming sooner or later. I haven't seen the table tennis game, but from what I've heard it's pretty cool. But, come on, look at Rockstar's game releases. Did you really think they were designing a game engine for the 360 just to make a table tennis game?

  18. Hell yeah. by crhylove · · Score: 2, Informative

    the engine is beautiful. Now let's see them catch up with SAMP for the next game:

    http://www.sa-mp.com/

    rhY

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    1. Re:Hell yeah. by angrymilkman · · Score: 1

      or a world of San Andreas MMORPG would also be cool :c)

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    2. Re:Hell yeah. by crhylove · · Score: 1

      That's basically what SAMP is. ;)

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  19. Well at least that would answer by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    why the hell Rockstar Games made a bloody table tennis game (and promoted the hell out of it). It's a tech demo, like DOA Beach Vollyball. Then again, I'd be mad if I paid $50 bucks for a tech demo and didn't even get scantily clad women to go with it.

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    1. Re:Well at least that would answer by nacturation · · Score: 1

      I'd be mad if I paid $50 bucks...

      Fifty dollar bucks? If your bucks cost you $50, it's good reason to be mad. My bucks only cost me $1 each.

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    2. Re:Well at least that would answer by aonifer · · Score: 1

      My deer...

    3. Re:Well at least that would answer by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Uhh...my antelope?

    4. Re:Well at least that would answer by Babbster · · Score: 1
      Then again, I'd be mad if I paid $50 bucks for a tech demo and didn't even get scantily clad women to go with it.

      I guess it's a good thing the game sells new for $40 ($39.99) then.

      Oh yeah, and DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball wasn't a tech demo - it was fan service.
  20. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God damn this is a bad joke.

  21. I knew there was more to it than ping pong by slack-fu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I knew there was more to it than ping pong, I thought there might have been a secret joke or something that R* would put out a ping pong game, and this is it, their game engine is so advanced that they can take a minigame out of the full game and release it as a full fledged game on its own. At first I thought it just just a throwback to Pong but now I can see the truth, this will be one awesome engine.

  22. The graphics will still be bad by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Table tennis doesn't have wide expanses of outdoor scenery. Look at the screenshots available at http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/gallery/1427/Rocks tar-Games-Presents-Table-Tennis/p1/. They can't compete with any other modern engine like UT, Doom, or Source.

    For Rockstar, those are good looking screenshots. But why not license something tried and true, something that's good for outdoors. UT comes to mind. Hell, if Bethesda licenses the Oblivion engine, use that.

    1. Re:The graphics will still be bad by Rangsk · · Score: 1

      One of the programmers for Rock Star San Diego (the team that made table tennis) came and talked at my university about the technology behind the game. It was actually very interesting, and screenshots don't do it justice. There is beautiful cloth and hair simulation, sweat, high resolution normal mapping, global illumination, and more. On top of all that, this is all on the Xbox 360... all the engines you mentioned were developed for the PC. I highly doubt there are any good engines being sold for the Xbox 360 at this point, considering it came out so recently.

      As for whether it's good for outdoors.. all those technologies apply equally well indoors and outdoors, except possibly the global illumination. It doesn't surprise me that the engine will be used for more games.

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    2. Re:The graphics will still be bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, one thing you forgot is that those are FPS games. All that detail comes with a cost: load time. Games like GTA, Zelda (not the greatest example), Shadow of the Colossus have to handle things differently because they want to include EVERYTHING with ZERO load time as you move around. You can't do that with Quake, Unreal, or even Source (HL2) engines.

    3. Re:The graphics will still be bad by kv9 · · Score: 1

      didn't rockstar do enough damage to THE CHILDREN with the GTA:SmutAndreas? this so called "ping-pong" is clearly a pervert simulator, where you play a big bald weird guy training himself to mollest yet more innocent pigtailed children!

    4. Re:The graphics will still be bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in terms of indoors/outdoors, modern engines arent necessarily just suitable for either/or. you mention the doom engine as a good one yourself. well from what i've read, doom3 is pretty much all indoors. yet the engine is used for ET: Quake Wars, which is pretty much all outdoors, and while i don't find the in-game videos too impressive so far (has more to do with the style of the art, somehow i find hl2 more beautiful), the devs say that technically it's working out well.

    5. Re:The graphics will still be bad by Jarlsberg · · Score: 1

      You make an excellent point -- if I had mod points atm I would have modded you up. One other thing about the Tennis game is that it's rather fun to play, especially in vs mode with a friend. The control system is quite easy to get to grips with, yet complex enough so that it's difficult to master it (but when you do, it becomes a very strategic game). It's not just ping pong upgraded to 2006 style graphics.

    6. Re:The graphics will still be bad by vincentj7 · · Score: 1

      Bethesda didn't create their own engine for Oblivion, they used the Gamebryo engine.

  23. About Damn Time by ClamIAm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like no one else commenting actually played GTA3/VC/SA. The engines in those games, while impressive, were buggy as hell. I only bought SA (I played the others a bit), but I was pissed when I kept getting stuck in the ground and mowed down by rival gangs. It was simply impossible to believe that this was the third game made with this engine, yet they still couldn't get collision detection down.

    And call me crazy, but I'm totally holding out for a Wii port. Smacking your hoes feels much better when done in a natural motion. Hitting X just doesn't cut it.

    1. Re:About Damn Time by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Fuck GTA. I want a pimping game. You can drive your car around by holding the wiimote like a steering wheel, and bounce it up and down to bounce your car. You can pimp smack your hoes by backhanding them with the wiimote... Ah, that would be fun.

  24. Concept by Neal+Saferstein · · Score: 1

    This is an interesting concept. Neal Saferstein Neal Saferstein

    1. Re:Concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're a tool trying to get your name indexed. Nael Sefartsien Nael Sefartsien

    2. Re:Concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too! Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward