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USB To Go Wireless

Troy Samuel writes "The WiMedia Alliance is planning to make the technology known as 'ultrawideband,' or UWB, work among a wide variety of consumer electronics devices. Various organizations, including the Bluetooth SIG, have chosen the WiMedia Alliance's version of UWB technology as the foundation for a next-generation short-range networking technology." From the article: "UWB technology can deliver data rates at up to 480 megabits per second at around 3 meters, with speeds dropping off as the range grows to a limit of about 10 meters. Real-world speeds will probably be a little slower, but this is as fast as the wired version of USB 2.0 and much faster than current Wi-Fi networks are capable of transmitting data. 'This stuff is plumbing,' Roger Kay, an analyst with Endpoint Technologies Associates, said of the newer-generation wireless technology. 'It's important that it be there, it's going to be handy for getting rid of cables hanging around your desk.'"

212 comments

  1. yay... by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 0

    maybe my notebook will finally be mobile again.

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    1. Re:yay... by moro_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really.

      The geniuses doing it over there forget the fact that the usb dongles are mostly powered by the usb bus, now if they get wireless, they will all have to have power adapters or batteries & chargers. Still a mess.

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  2. Wireless Digital Monitor by MankyD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious - how much bandwidth is required to make a wireless monitor? Let's say its running at 1600x1200 with 24bit color. Anyone have any ideas?

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    1. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by b-l4ke · · Score: 4, Informative

      1600 x 1200 x 32bpp per pixel x 30 fps = 1.85 Gbps

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    2. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Name+Anonymous · · Score: 2, Informative

      Double that at least as computer displays run at 60+ fps

    3. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Informative

      how much bandwidth is required to make a wireless monitor? Let's say its running at 1600x1200 with 24bit color.

            The answer is right there. 1600 x 1200 x 24 = 46,080,000 bits per frame (46Mb) - not including any overhead for packing/unpacking all this info. Now how many frames per second did you want?

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    4. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by 56ker · · Score: 4, Informative

      24 bits = 3 bytes
      3 bytes * 1200 * 1600 = 5.76 Megabytes

      Assuming a refresh rate of 50fps that's 288 Megabyte/second or 2.25 Gigabits/second A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

    5. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by MankyD · · Score: 1

      I guess I was hoping someone could also offer some insight into lossless compression techniques and their average compression ratio. As long as one is not doing FMV, you wouldn't, in theory, need to refresh the whole screen. Maybe that's getting too fancy for a simple question though.

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    6. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by illegalcortex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

      Actually, no. Imagine having your CPU in the closet and only your monitor and peripherals at your desk. Or imagine having a monitor/peripherals in a totally different room of the house/office.

      Even if it's only two feet away, wireless is nice for... well, for removing wires. Systems can be such a cabling mess. I'm much rather bath in the invisible waves than have to deal with that rat's nest.

    7. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by ampathee · · Score: 1

      About 330MB/s from my calculation (that's 60 fps uncompressed).
      It's likely that could be cut down via lossless compression and of course, only sending areas that have changed.. however then the monitor needs a cpu to decompress the stuff, so we might as well just use a small form-factor pc running VNC over a wireless LAN :P

    8. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

      So that's why my laptop keeps going dark whenever I move more than six feet away from my desk.

      KFG

    9. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine having your CPU in the closet

            That goes against the fashion nowadays, I mean, everyone is coming OUT of the closet and you want to put the computer back in...

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    10. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by d3Facto · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you could get away with a lot less than 2.25 Gbit/s if you used an LCD monitor? With such a display the bandwidth only needs to account for the info sent from the graphics card to the monitor about which pixels that need to change color, or am I thinking completely wrong here? With an old-fashion CRT the bandwidth needs to be able to account for all the info that is needed for redrawing the picture at the appropriate frame rate.

    11. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      But is the added price of onboard decompression hardware and a wireless transmitter/reciever really worth it for just having one less cable?

    12. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      not really, but there's no reason why image compression wouldn't work with a CRT monitor too. think of things like VNC or RDP - these are display-over-network technologies that would be used with a wireless monitor, you're effectively viewing the monitor over a network instead of directly connected with a cable.

    13. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's called an iMac.

    14. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by jdray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The first thing I thought of when reading the blurb was "video glasses arriving soon." I'd rather have 800x600, 16 bpp per lens at 24 fps, or 368.64 Mb/s, and get reasonable immersive 3D than I would a single stream of 1600x1200 at 24 bpp.

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    15. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by camperdave · · Score: 1

      But is the added price of onboard decompression hardware and a wireless transmitter/reciever really worth it for just having one less cable?

      Of course it would be worth it! Consider the copper alone. Do you have any idea how much copper is in a two metre video cable?

      [What? About enough to make 7 or 8 pennies? Are you sure? ... Crap!]

      Um... Nevermind.

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    16. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      are there not also control instructions to add to the mix? Surely it isn't just a case of transfering the bitmap from the buffer.

      I know crap all about monitors though...

    17. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by AmericanGladiator · · Score: 1

      Oh My! Can you imagine trying to play UT2004 on a wireless monitor? It's not longer the LCD pixel refresh rate that will be the problem... Even if you had the throughput, the latency would suck as it usually does with wireless.

    18. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A monitor's a rather pointless one though as it requires a cable for the power.

      It seems to me that most of this wireless craze is pointless for the exact same reason. Just how hard is it to plug your USB key into your computer anyway? And what exactly is the point of a wireless keyboard?

    19. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Amouth · · Score: 1

      humm on a correctly configured AP the latency is no worse than a normal wire connection.

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    20. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by dinther · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm, in my case four WXGA LCD monitors runing at 60 hz of one PC...

      1440 x 900 x 32 x 4 x 60 = 7879680000 bps or 7.88 gbps

    21. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by IcePop456 · · Score: 1

      How many things in life would we not have if we always had to justify things ahead of time? I for one would like a wireless USB connection so that I could do time-lapse webcam shots from my deck. I can plug it in for power, but I'm not running a line (ethernet or USB) for that. In addition, wireless cameras seem over priced.

      I could come up with numerous connections. Cablebox to PC for extra data storage from my PVR (assume HDTV bandwidth could be sustained). Wireless memory card readers, iPod/MP3/PDA sync'ing.

      As other pointed out, wireless video to the monitor when MPEG-like quality is sufficient. Have a decoder built into the display.

      And yes, I'm not sure about wireless keyboards for desktops, but my HTPC (home theater pc) was wireless as I don't want to sit near the 100in screen. Oh and now the PC is in a different room...

      These are uses I have right now. Just wait until we get more resources...

    22. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      However, that's still almost a realistic project. What happens if you instead of direct-routing to the monitor via the wireless connection, first pass through a JPEG2000 codec. Then on the wireless monitor side re-decode in realtime. If there's a chance of that, MAYBE there's a better chance of actually getting the system to work. You might try a better codec for lossless high speed compression.

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    23. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It still seems like a solution in search of a problem.

      I for one would like a wireless USB connection so that I could do time-lapse webcam shots from my deck.

      Why not have a webcam with 802.11? Instead of inventing a whole new technology and protocol, you'd just have to slap a 802.11 chip and transceiver onto a webcam, and make some software to allow it to be accessed over the network. Plus we already have WEP and WPA to handle security.

      Cablebox to PC for extra data storage from my PVR (assume HDTV bandwidth could be sustained).

      This is a perfect application for Wifi (or even wired ethernet for those that already have their homes wired with Cat5). The higher speed of this UWB only works if your computer is very close to your device; most people don't keep their TVs in the same room as their computer with lots of storage.

      Wireless memory card readers,

      What's so hard about plugging your memory card into a slot on your computer? Or having a wired reader plugged in all the time if you use it that much?

      iPod/MP3/PDA sync'ing.

      This sounds handy, if a bit lazy (again, how hard is it to plug in if you're already sitting there?). But isn't this what Bluetooth was invented for? Or is UWB really supposed to be the higher-speed replacement for BT?

      As other pointed out, wireless video to the monitor when MPEG-like quality is sufficient. Have a decoder built into the display.

      So you'd basically need a small computer inside your monitor to decode the signal, just so you can save the trouble of a single cord? Somehow I don't think there's that many people out there who will want to pay the premium price for this "feature" to make this a mainstream thing.

      And yes, I'm not sure about wireless keyboards for desktops, but my HTPC (home theater pc) was wireless as I don't want to sit near the 100in screen.

      Yes, wireless keyboards make sense here, but it seems the vast majority are sold to people who use them at their desk.

    24. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting point actually. Most of us have LCD monitors that can run off 12V, so why hasn't anyone made a standard like Firewire but for DVI outputs?

    25. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      That'd be ok for those who don't have optical drives, or other in-tower devices that need to be accessed frequently.

    26. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Nah. The transmission medium has to be able to accommodate the peak bandwidth needed. Even if it doesn't have to do it often, as long as it has to do it sometimes that's enough to require the capacity.

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    27. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by PayPaI · · Score: 1
    28. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by illegalcortex · · Score: 1

      Which is a large % of people on a large % of days...

    29. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by profplump · · Score: 1

      I would think that, if you ever attempted something like a wireless monitor, you'd make the connection dumb like existing wired video connections -- the data gets sent and it's up to the monitor to figure out how to sync up and use it. If you wanted to do some sort of comm I'd think you'd do it on another channel.

      I know modern VGA combines the (very limited) comm into the same cable, but that comm doesn't directly affect the video signal; current monitor signalling is out-of-band already, and I don't see any reason you'd want to change that.

    30. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm.. NO. You're assuming that each individual pixel is being transmitted in realtime. Don't you think there would be some heavy compression going on here? Or advanced drawing rules being sent directly to the monitor.

      If I can do a remote desktop session over a 56k modem, why can't that be done locally over something like bluetooth directly to the display?

    31. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Eto_Demerzel79 · · Score: 1

      1600x1200x24bits@60Hz = 2764800000 bits/s = 329.6 MB/s

    32. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Ravatar · · Score: 1

      One would think latency would be the much bigger issue when it comes to wireless monitors...

    33. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Actually analog monitors at least dont use control instructions.
      A couple of the pins just send clock pulses and the monitor displays it as is.

      Go get a old monitor and crank up the resolution.

    34. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      What's the point of doing a wireless monitor if it can't do FMV? This is the age of online video.

      This UWB technology is about half way there for a semi-practical wireless monitor.

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    35. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by burndive · · Score: 1
      And what exactly is the point of a wireless keyboard?

      My linux box serves (among other things) as the media machine, with its display hooked up to a projector in the living room. I'm not going to sit on the couch with the keyboard in my lap tethered to a box. The cable wouldn't be long enough to reach, and it would always be in the way no matter how long it was.

      Does that justify the need for wireless keyboards/mice?

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    36. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by pingoart · · Score: 1

      Well, i dot know if it would be easy to do this. Maybe it would be better to simply put file compression. Then you wouldnt need such a large bandwidth. So the only mess you'll have to take care of are the power plugs, unless you also have wireless versions of them.....

    37. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I suppose so, but it seems like the vast majority of people with wireless keyboards have them on a regular desktop computer, not with a media center and projector.

    38. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by MankyD · · Score: 1

      Latency shouldn't be an issue since it would be almost entirely one way communication. Electricity through wires moves just as fast as RF through the air (for all intents and purposes.) The monitor also won't have to send ACK signals of any form - the video card would broadcast the signal and the monitor picks it up and decodes it. It's really no different than using the copper wires we have now.

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    39. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by sideswipe76 · · Score: 1

      UWB is actually meant to eventually take over for your monitor cabling too. As for interference, it operates across a very wide spectrum (hence the UWB) using spread-spectrum technology, and the distance is due to very low power allowance it has been given to comply with FCC limits. The purpose really is to replace everything but the electrical chords.

    40. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be nice to have a wireless connection (oxymoron?) from my tuner/HTPC to my front projector HDTV 10 feet away.

    41. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by IcePop456 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather skip the details, but 802.xx devices don't seem to "mount" the same at least in windows. I'm sure software can be written to do this, but I do not sure I want a browswer to handle a high-resolution camera. Again, software could be written.

      As you pointed out, I'm lazy. My goal with technology is to make my life easier. Why plug stuff in when the device can just sit on my desk. Both iPod and memory card readers etc.

      Wireless video connections to monitors would make wall mount TV's much easier. By stict definition I'm sure you can say it is a computer, but MPEG decoders are not high-end anymore. Your camera phone has one, albiet not great.

      These are ideas to improve devices. If you don't want them nor see the value, the wired version will be around for a long time (think Xbox 360 controllers).

    42. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a wireless laptop monitor would be soooooooo useful. It's disgraceful for so much data to be passing through the hinge. That isn't what hinges are for!

    43. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by kfg · · Score: 1

      If you wish to be dense it's no nevermind to me.

      KFG

    44. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by mrjeffreya · · Score: 1

      Aren't a lot of external devices now power with USB? I would rather have a cable connecting my device to my tower rather than depend on batteries.

    45. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by mrjeffreya · · Score: 1

      ... Have a decoder built into the display. ...

      Better yet, why don't you just put the whole computer into the display, which would eliminate the problem altogether. Oh wait, http://www.apple.com/imac/design.html

    46. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Zex_Suik · · Score: 1

      Not an expert here, but what if the video card was inside the monitor? what would the data rate look like then?

    47. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Mike89 · · Score: 1
      I suppose so, but it seems like the vast majority of people with wireless keyboards have them on a regular desktop computer
      I have a wireless keyboard/mouse on my regular PC, and it's the best thing I've bought in quite a while. For starters, corded mice are overrated - you really notice the "cord" part once you move away from it. Most of all, it's great to just quickly reorganize your workstation. Whenever I used to need to do homework, I'd slide the draw in and do it on the top part of my desk. Then, to use the keyboard and mouse (to answer a message, or heck, change the song), I had to get the draw back out again and slide out of its way. Now, I do homework (or put my dinner plate, when I'm late home) on the keyboard draw, keyboard and mouse on the desk - all accessible with absolutely no work.

      The second part of this great purchase came last week, when I was in bed with the flu for 6 days. I didn't want to get up much, so I pointed the sensor the direction of my bed and voila - wireless entertainment center ;). I could put TV episodes on, music, all that. Most of my apps are suprisingly readable for a distance, even if I did have to sit up, it was still better than hauling my sick arse out of bed and to the peripherals previously chained to my desk.
    48. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have them in an extenal case connected wirelessly aswell.

    49. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by koko775 · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, 32bits is RGBA. Monitors don't need the extra eight bits for alpha -- it's the graphics card that benefits.

      1600*1200 pixels/frame * 24 bits/pixel * 60 frames/second * 1 second = 2764800000 bits per second
      divided by 1024^2 = 2636 megabits/s.

      How about a low-end monitor?
      1024x768 pixels/frame * 16 bits/pixel * 30 frames/second * 1 second = 377487360 bits per second
      divided by 1024^2 = 360 megabits/s. Seems reasonable, but even by today's standards...sorta crappy.

    50. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by sultanoslack · · Score: 1
      There are two real killer applications for me:
      • Wireless docking
      • Reassigning peripherals in software

      On the first it'd be really nice to just sit my laptop down and be able to just start using my real mouse keyboard and everything without plugging and unplugging. With as many USB things as I use (camera, external hard disk, MIDI keyboard, mouse, external sound card, keyboard, flash drive) it'd be cool to just move my laptop over to my desk and poof, everything works. This can naturally be done with a hub, which is fine and well if you only use your devices with one computer, but...

      I have a laptop and a desktop. It's not terribly uncommon these days to have multiple computers in a household. It'd be nice to be able to virtually "grab" a device without moving or unplugging it. Want to use my desktop monitor / keyboard / mouse to control my laptop? Just click to switch device profiles. Want to have my external sound interface send the data to my laptop instead of my desktop? Also easy. Then if I want to move my laptop over to my couch to use Skype I don't have to repeat the un- and re-plugging ritual.

      So for me it's only halfway about getting rid of cables; increasing flexibility is the main factor.
    51. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by AmericanGladiator · · Score: 1

      You are correct if there is no other traffic on a wireless router. Introduce traffic from other sources and suddenly you get collisions and retries that you didn't have to worry about before. I'm just saying that wired connections are superior for certain applications (i.e. I would not want to play UT2004 over a wireless network with other traffic on that same wireless router).

    52. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by AmericanGladiator · · Score: 1

      Replying to my own comment... I know wired USB has frame tokens that mark the beginning of frames. Within those frames various peripherals can be allocated one or more timeslots. I don't know anything about wireless USB, but conceivably this could be used? Also, USB is different than say, 802.11B/G in that the PC initiates all transactions. So W-USB shouldn't have the collision problem? So W-USB could do a better job of handling latency than most wireless networking protocols.

    53. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Or is UWB really supposed to be the higher-speed replacement for BT?"
      Yep.
      Faster, lower power requirements, more broadly supported.

    54. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i missed something in my orginal statement.. i ment to add - and good hardware - most consumer producsts i will agree with you on.. ifyou get a few wriless clients doing stuff the latency can become bad but if you have good hardware (my experience is with cisco ap's) this isn't an issue

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    55. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by 56ker · · Score: 1

      Doing it that way would slow it down. The reason being is that the videocard would have to communicate with the motherboard. The latency of the wireless connection would therefore make it a slower arrangement than on the computer. Regarding whether it would alter the bandwidth required - yes it would - it would increase it. You see the bandwidth required for just sending the video signal would be just one way (to the monitor). Graphics cards communicate in two directions with the motherboard (both accepting changes to the picture or calculations as well as telling the computer information about the current display).

      It's difficult to be specific though without giving examples.

    56. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by freakmn · · Score: 1

      Well, perhaps it's a Mac. Think Different.

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    57. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      They'd come out with battery powered wireless USB devices (not monitors of course). Your wireless USB card reader will be next to the missing TV remote under the couch.

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    58. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Yes, wireless is crappy for high-bandwidth needs. The fact is we can't get rid of the wires without sacrificing something. With wireless USB, you could have high performance, but it would come at the cost of power or spectrum, neither of which is easy to come by.

      DVI is convenient (even though it is wired) because it has 3 data lines using TMDS. What this buys you is a single 24-bit pixel transferred per clock. With an upper limit of 165 Million pixels per second (3.7 Gbps), or double that for dual-link, you can drive some awesome displays.

      The dream of high-bandwidth devices without wires always seems silly to me anyway, because high-bandwidth devices usually can't escape the power cord.

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  3. certified wireless USB by 56ker · · Score: 1

    As far as I knew this technology was already in use - for example wireless USB webcams. However I can't think of many real life applications that would use the bandwidth this technology provides other than video. Any suggestions?

    1. Re:certified wireless USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Portable, wireless harddrives perhaps? the ability to update your ipod just by putting it down on the desk is another option

  4. The problem with wireless devices... by Name+Anonymous · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Data security...
    2. wirelss interference from another computer
    3. wireless interference from other electronics and wireless devices
    I am all for wireless devices that make sense. I sitll however use a wired keyboard and mouse on my desktop computer. On my laptop I use a bluetooth mouse to avoud the hassles of dealing with plugging and unplugging the mouse from the laptop.
    1. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by macklin01 · · Score: 1
      On my laptop I use a bluetooth mouse to avoud the hassles of dealing with plugging and unplugging the mouse from the laptop.

      And you can solve this problem by leaving your USB mouse and keyboard plugged into a hub on your desktop, so you only have one thing to plug in. As a bonus, you could get a USB-powered laptop cooler with a built-in hub (like this one), so you're not only cleaning up cable clutter, but also reducing heat-related stress on your hard drive. -- Paul

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    2. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by gregmac · · Score: 1

      4. Power

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    3. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Name+Anonymous · · Score: 1
      And you can solve this problem by leaving your USB mouse and keyboard plugged into a hub on your desktop, so you only have one thing to plug in.

      This makes the presumption that I use the laptop at home and at a desk. The laptop gets used in all sorts of places. Sometimes I use the trackpad and sometimes I pull out the mouse.

      The situation you describe is for someone who is using a laptop as a desktop replacement system.

    4. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by kfg · · Score: 1

      And you can solve this problem by leaving your USB mouse . . . plugged into a hub on your desktop

      Cool! Now all I need to do is find a mouse with a 25 mile long cable.

      KFG

    5. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point. ;) On the road, I've generally given up on external keyboards and mice, so I guess I forgot to think outside of the laptop at work scenario. Thanks. -- Paul

    6. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by BiggyP · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the idea of replacing a device which has one small cable running to a PC or hub with a device which produces increased interference and still has a cable, only this time it's attached to a chunky transformer plugged into the mains, is just plain silly.

    7. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4. Power

      *coughs*

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power

      And

      http://www.splashpower.com/

      There used to be a cool Wireless transfer microwave kit on ThinkGeek.com but I can't find it anymore...

      My room mate has one of those tooth brushes that charges wirelessly which it pretty cool.

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    8. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My room mate has one of those tooth brushes that charges wirelessly which it pretty cool.

      That's not wireless. The toothbrush must sit in a base that's connected to an electrical outlet. The only thing "cool" about this is that there's no exposed electrical contacts on either the base or the toothbrush. This isn't wireless power transmission technology; it's a variation of a simple transformer, it's two inductors that are situated next to each other (when the toothbrush is in the holder), so that current is transferred by mutual inductance. The plastic casings provide safety from outside elements, but electrically don't affect performance much. This is the exact same method GM used for the "paddle" chargers in its EV-1 electric cars, so that there would be no danger of electrocution to users.

    9. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      They don't put the toothbrush in a hold, but just put it on a outcropping part that leaves the tooth brush freestanding.

      I don't see why you couldn't have a doc for your mouse and keyboard like this. Heck... Just make a mouse pad that is a recharging station.

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    10. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1
      This isn't wireless power transmission technology; it's a variation of a simple transformer
      It's both. Although not as practical as the usual wireless, there are no wires, therefore it's wireless.
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    11. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Ok, by that logic, then almost ALL your electronic devices are wireless.

      If your computer speakers use a "wall-wart" power supply, then guess what? You have wireless speakers!! See, the transformer inside that power supply has no electrical connection between the wall outlet and the electronics in the speakers/amplifier. There's a coil of wire connected to the power line, and this coil is wound around a piece of iron. The wire is coated with an insulating film, so there's no transfer of electricity between the coil and the iron. Now, there's a second coil of wire wound around this same piece of iron, in a different place, and this coil (also with an insulating coating) connects to the rest of the electronics inside your speakers. So, just like the toothbrush, electrical current is transmitted to the speakers without any electrical connection between the speakers and wall outlet.

      If you don't consider this "wireless", then you can't consider the toothbrush "wireless".

    12. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by bilbravo · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly... I like most of my peripheals to be physically connected. I'm also still a fan of wired networking. Now, I like my "wifi" when I go out and with the laptop. However, for my desktop... give me wires!

      Clutter, who cares? It all works!

    13. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      You kind of have a point, but anonycoward is right... the brick is wireless, but the speakers aren't.
      Wall warts are black boxes: you don't care whether it has an inefficient voltage-dropping resistor or gnomes, you just want a certain voltage at the output. Therefore, it being wireless is irrelevant.
      I agree with you a little, though. A better explanation for the toothbrush being wireless is that it can also be separated from the base at any time.

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    14. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      So can my battery-powered electric shaver. What's the difference? You don't call battery-powered devices "wireless". This toothbrush is exactly the same. The only thing different between these toothbrushes and other battery-powered devices with charging "docks" is that there's no exposed electrical connectors to worry about getting wet. Big deal.

    15. Re:The problem with wireless devices... by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      Heard of a wireless electric screwdriver?
      (btw this discussion is mental masturbation at its highest)

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  5. As long as it's not blasting out data... by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

    on the same frequency as all my other "wireless" devices. I've already got a joystick I can't use in proximity to my phone, my wireless A/V catches interference from my bluetooth mouse and the phone, and my wireless mouse craps out if the microwave's on at the other end of the house. Will this add to my troubles?

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    1. Re:As long as it's not blasting out data... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Probably. After all, look at what a great job the electronics manufacturers did with 2.4GHz wireless devices (cordless phones, Wi-Fi, etc.). They tested out their devices all by themselves, and didn't bother to see what would happen if other devices, using the same spectrum, were in the area. After all, it's not their problem if there's interference.

      What the heck do you need a wireless mouse for, anyway?

    2. Re:As long as it's not blasting out data... by dyefade · · Score: 1

      What the heck do you need a wireless mouse for, anyway?

      I've just bought a wireless mouse as it happens. The benefit I've found (obviously), is that I can just pick it up and us it more comfortably while I'm sat at my desk. For example, this slashdot comments page is very long, and I'm not going to be typing or clicking much, so rather than sitting upright, I'm leaning back and scrolling the wheel with my thumb, with my hand at 90 degrees to the normal position. I can also (as it's optical), control the cursor using my shirt as the surface, which means unless I need to type something, if I'm just sitting reading on the web, I can recline in my chair.

      This may seem slightly petty and lazy, and indeed it's not what I bought the mouse for (check it out!), but it's just more comfortable. I will not be purchasing wired mice at all in future.

  6. A good fit? by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    Is USB relly a good fit for this? USB is based around a strictly controlled hierarchy of devices with a single master at the top of the tree. Wireless applications are more in need of symmetric peer-to-peer interfaces like that provided by Firewire.

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    1. Re:A good fit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB has nothing to do with this. It's just more brain fungus as spread by slashdot and its editors that don't actually edit.

    2. Re:A good fit? by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

      symmetric peer-to-peer interfaces like that provided by Firewire.

      Firewire actually has rather strong master/slave relationships; there's a tree, and a tree root, and a master node. But there's a negotiation process during hot-plugging which establishes the master/slave relationships.

      One big problem with Firewire is that it doesn't have a notion of device ownership. You can plug two computers together with FireWire, and that will work if both machines support IP or Ethernet over FireWire. But plug a peripheral into the same bus, and there's no mechanism to allocate it to a unique host computer. You'll get a control clash.

      Underneath, FireWire isn't really a "bus". It's actually a local area network, and its controllers work more like Ethernet controllers, with packets and buffer chains, than bus adapters.

      The "bus" aspect is that there are defined packet formats for loading and storing 32-bit data items in a 64 bit address space. In practice, though, what usually happens is that at the host end, some code formats such a packet, saying "set bit 22 of register 0x2490 at node 3", and when that packet gets to node 3, some little CPU in the peripheral decodes the packet, acknowledges receipt of the packet, a switch statement decodes the "register" address, and code notes that bit 22 means "turn camera on". No status for this event comes back; the host has to send a packet to "read" some other device register to find out what happened.

      Giving FireWire a "device register" model turned out, in the end, to be kind of silly. Something more like SCSI, with function codes and statuses, would have made more sense. (And, in fact, there's SCSI over FireWire.) You'd get back better status info, and devices which don't implement some functions would have a simple way to report that. This makes it easier to implement generic drivers, reducing the temptation to have to have a special driver for every manufacturer's device. And we all know where that leads.

      So if you're designing something like this, don't go with a device register model. Anything smart enough to talk it will have a CPU, so use it.

    3. Re:A good fit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that Firewire disks supported logins and reservations. Or is that part of SCSI over Firewire?

  7. Power by gid13 · · Score: 1

    I can see SOME uses of this, but there are a large number of people out there that would rather have a mouse connected with a cable than have to deal with batteries. And as the number of devices you want to connect grows, this effect will only become more pronounced. My verdict: useful, but not revolutionary.

    1. Re:Power by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      Another downside may be the increased exposure to EM radiation. There's a whole lot of industry built on electricity, and the benefits probably outweigh any health effects, but I think we hardly know the full effect EM radiation has on our bodies and minds.

    2. Re:Power by profplump · · Score: 1

      Why are people so afraid of low-level EM radiation? Humans have been bombarded by much higher level of EM radiation for thousands of years. It's not magic that makes the sun shine, it's EM radiation, and it's been irradiating your ancestors since the dawn of humanity. I'm not just talking about optical wavelengths either. The atmosphere stops being an effective shield around UV wavelengths (with some exceptions: the microwave/IR boundary has pretty high absorption at ground level for example).

      Seriously, if you aren't worried about the 200 Watts per square meter annual mean surface irradiance -- that's something like 6 kWh per day per square meter -- then you shouldn't be worried about a 100 mW transmitter on your desk.

  8. Re:certified wireless USB--power anyone? by bbernard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For that matter, one of the benefits of USB is that power is delivered along with the data--how often do you change the batteries on your thumb-drive, or plug in your 2.5" external hard drive? So, directly compared to USB I still need the same number of cables, unless they're delivering power wirelessly too? Hmm...

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  9. Wireless video/speakers? by truesaer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One thing I've always wanted is to get rid of the cables for my LCD displays and my speakers. That would be 4 fewer cables cluttering my desk (2 LCDs, 1 cable between left and right speakers, 1 cable to speaker out jack). I'm not sure what the real time and data throughput requirements would be. This looks like its primarily intended to replace wired USB devices but what additional complexity would there be in getting rid of some of the other wires?


    It would be nice if the only cables on my desk were power cables.

    1. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pah! We should be clamoring to get rid of those power cables too. And fans, have to get rid of fans. Noise is the mindkiller.

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    2. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 1

      Well to most devices, USB is a power cable. Seems like the wrong solution to the problem.

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    3. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      Well, assuming 1600x1200 and 24bit colour, and a reasonable 50fps, about 275MByte/sec, per monitor. Just ask google: http://www.google.com/search?q=1600*1200*24%2F8%2F 1024%2F1024*50

      Good luck with that.

    4. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by crabpeople · · Score: 1
      "It would be nice if the only cables on my desk were power cables."

      Um why? One cable is fine but two is.... inconceivable?

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    5. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are USB speakers, such as Harman/Kardon SoundSticks, that would remove the need for the audio out cable from the PC. I would be interested to see if these systems operate properly on UWB; if so, that would eliminate at least one more cable from your computer.

    6. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if the only cables on my desk were power cables.

      On my desk, there's three speakers: right, left, and a subwoofer (on the floor). I suspect many people have similar setups. The subwoofer has the amplifier in it, and is connected with special wires to the two speakers.

      So you want to replace these wires from the amplifier with a wireless connection, and then put separate amplifiers in the speakers, and then add individual power cables to the speakers. Now I'll need three spaces on my power strip for audio, instead of just one. How exactly is this helping things?

      This makes no sense at all.

    7. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      It would be nice if the only cables on my desk were power cables.

      No, no it wouldn't. Just combine power with the data cable, and you get fewer cables, without making all your devices ridiculously expensive, power hungry, and complex.
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    8. Re:Wireless video/speakers? by twitchingbug · · Score: 1

      It's called an iMac. :P

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  10. Not impressed. by Noxal · · Score: 0

    I'll be excited about this when battery technology improves such that you don't have to spend assloads of money for the convenience of not having to buy AA batteries every week.

    1. Re:Not impressed. by doti · · Score: 1

      I have a wireless keyboard/mouse combo from Logitech for at least two years now.
      The keyboard uses two AA batteries (which can be rechargable) that last for many months of intensive use.
      The mouse came with a rechargable battery. The receiver doubles as a recharging craddle for the mouse, I put it there when I go to sleep, or I'm leaving home. But even if I forgot to do it now and then, it's no problem, the mouse battery lasts for some days (it's optical, I imagine a analog mouse would consume less).

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    2. Re:Not impressed. by Noxal · · Score: 0

      The keyboard life is impressive, but the mouse, with the dock...that seems to at least partially defeat the purpose of going wireless.

    3. Re:Not impressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used the first logitech wireless desktop set for a few years. It was a standard non-optical mouse with 2x AA batteries which lasted for about 4-6 months of frequent use. Keyboard was even less consuming, using 2x AAA batteries and lasting for about 6-7 months.

      For these reasons I never bought any rechargeable batteries to the set.

  11. Power? by Ninwa · · Score: 1

    What about power? One of the most notable benefits of a wired connection is that you can not only transfer information but power the device as well. I don't know about you, but I hate wireless mice/keyboards for the very reason that it's just too inconvenient to keep replacing batteries.

    1. Re:Power? by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      I agree, or worse, mice that contain embedded rechargable batteries that require you to place the mouse on a charging station. I had the Logitech MX1000 and loved it except for the charging issue as I would often forget to place it on the charger at the end of the day leaving me with a useless mouse at some point.

      There is however a mouse that doesn't have this problem. The Logitech G7 Laser Cordless Mouse is perfect. It comes with two small Li-ion battery packs and a charging station. So while you are using one the other is charging. They don't last terribly long, but it takes about 10 seconds to swap them out. I can't understand why Logitech continues to put out new mice without this type of a battery pack/charging solution and keep using the embedded Li-ion batteries.

      http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details /US/EN,CRID=2135,CONTENTID=10716

      Logitech lists it at $99.99 but it can be had for around $60 at many vendors.

    2. Re:Power? by eln · · Score: 1

      Kensington makes several wireless mice that charge with a cable hooked up to the USB port. So, if you run out of juice, you can just plug the mouse into the cable and continue using it as a wired mouse while it charges.

    3. Re:Power? by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      That is another good solution to the charging issue. The other issue is of course the fact that the batteries are not user replaceable in these devices which means you either send them in for repair or get a new mouse when the battery dies. I did not know that Kensington had those available as I typically avoid their mice as the designs they use tend to not fit well in my hand, good to know some manufacturers are thinking of these issues.

    4. Re:Power? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Is a cable on your mouse really that much trouble?

    5. Re:Power? by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      It is when the cable can't reach the PC it's used with.

    6. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an easy solution to that! We use the wireless connection to transmit data, and have a standardised power connector on all small low-drain devices, such as webcams, mice, 2.5" external hard drives etc. As we use them all with the computer, we can power them from there! So we need some sockets on the back and front, probably a lot, so lets make them fairly small, and rectangular so they can be arranged neatly. 2 pins for power, and perhaps a couple of redundant ones in case we want to add other voltages or something else to the cable later.

      Now we just need an acronym for it. Hey, it's replacing batteries, so how about Uniform Standard Battery?

  12. Sweet, I just lost connectivity with my printer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, wait! It's back up with an annoying alert that it's connected again!

    Wait, no, it dropped again.

    I love this game.

  13. New Security Question by frosty_tsm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean that all I would need to do to spy on someone's pen drive is get within 10 meters and peek over UWB?

    I assume there would be some encryption and passwords, but it's yet another security question to discuss.

    1. Re:New Security Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Van Eck phreaking - Not just for monitors anymore.

  14. powering USB devices by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

    What I like about USB is the possibility to have the devices powered. This is handy for portable HD's for a laptop for example. I doubt that wireless USB will be able to power external devices. Having used wireless mice and keyboards in the past, I got rid of all them because the battery power always fails in a critical moment (Murphys law). An other issue with wireless keyboards and mice is data security. Will these wireless USB devices have encrypted data streams?

    1. Re:powering USB devices by dgbrownnt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm not particularly interested in making my USB deviceses wireless until they make sending power to the unit wireless or implement batteries which will last the life of the product. Either of those achievements would be a heck of a lot more important than a faster short-range wireless signal, though.

  15. So, with some forward thinking... by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 1

    Combine this technology operating in a very low-power mode with something like this thing I read about earlier on /., and do we get smart DVD drives that can detect if they're authorized to play a given disc securely and over air? I mean, you could stick an RFID on each DVD and then a reader somewhere in the drive, but is this a more off-the-shelf type of combination?

    Or am I full of crap?

    1. Re:So, with some forward thinking... by straponego · · Score: 1

      That's a great idea! I hate that all my DVDs play whenever I tell them to. If only some random cokehead executive, or hacker, or bug, or network problem could occasionally stop my DVDs from playing. And if it adds cost to the system, so much the better! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to give myself a nice hard cockpunch.

  16. Recharging by roger6106 · · Score: 1

    Now I'll finally be able to recharge my digital camera wirelessly while transferring my pictures.

    1. Re:Recharging by Arathon · · Score: 1

      And if they make a UWB version of these USB rechargeable batteries...that would be so so so so coooool!

  17. Printing... by Craptastic+Weasel · · Score: 1

    I can tell you from my past experiences, I would *love* to have a wireless USB device for setting up printers. Not saying that wireless networking isn't fine for the more expensive printers, nor am I saying a good print server isn't a viable option. I just have had one too many times where the printer(s) I have setup could have benfited from a wireless USB dongle & some kind of Wireless USB to four port hub to ease installation options.
     
    Just my .02, had to say it, been thinking it for years...

    1. Re:Printing... by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      Actually I settled with 5m usb cable for my printer instead of usbbluetooth dongle for printers, just because I really like to have this 16ppm. So yes, wireless usb is already done, but too slow.

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  18. Yuck. by L4m3rthanyou · · Score: 1

    What is this nonsense? It seems as if everything is trying to move to wireless... the only question is, WHY? Obviously, desktop systems don't tend to move much, so there's not really a valid reason to. For laptops, who really carries a bunch of peripherals around (aside from a mouse)? is it really that much trouble to plug in a USB hub when you sit down at your desk?

    Some of the wireless stuff is neat, but most of it is becoming ridculous. I don't need wireless speakers or a wireless printer. It's a nice novelty, but not worth the headache that wireless devices tend to cause.

    ...And don't even get me started on wireless networking.

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  19. Power Cables? by djKing · · Score: 1

    Most of the wires on my desk do double duty as data & power (key board, mouse, PDA, iPod) so what's the point of getting rid of all the cables just to replace them with charging stations?

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    1. Re:Power Cables? by wjsroot · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Power Cables? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's still a charging station. It just doesn't have any special sockets or connectors. Big deal.

  20. sounds nice, but by Zashi · · Score: 1

    Half the reason I like USB (and I think this is true for many others) is that it is also a power source. Without wireless power, won't we be plagued with forever-dying batteries or continuing ratnests of power cables? Or did I miss somethign?

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  21. Tubes by wjsroot · · Score: 1
    This stuff is plumbing

    So we have some plumbing to go along with the tubes that make up the internet?

    What's the data rate of a kitchen sink?
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  22. Depends on what you use it for by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    I use "remote" (but not "wireless") monitors all the time - Remote Desktop, pcAnywhere, VNC, etc.

    I know, that is not what you meant, but many of the solutions imply a "server" for your "client" screen, so there are some current examples.

    But it doesn't work for "fast" stuff like video or games.

    The big quesion, as someone else pointed out - how long is your "wireless" monitor going to run on batteries?

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  23. 3ft needs wireless? by spleenhead · · Score: 1

    I'm 3ft from a USB port and dont need to plug in a wire? how much can I pay for that? Any mobile device that close to a USB port may as well plug in to get the best bandwidth, security, and recharge its battery.... now, mobile to mobile xmission would be its best feature, I'd say

  24. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 1

    Major issues here would be interference, privacy, and lockdown.

    Having numerous objects in the same small area (such as a "wireless" computer) would throw many waves in the same small area, possibly causing inteference, especially in a data center or cube farm.

    Privacy is imsply that, i could sit outside and scan for a signal.

    Lockdown is knowing exactly which device is attached to which, and nothing beats a cable during troubleshooting a complex problem.

    Overall, wireless is *very* nice, and is obviously the wave of the future. Let's just handle mass usage issues from the beginnign.

  25. New Fangled Terms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    480 megabits per second? Why do we have to keep inventing new terms. It is much easier to just say 480,000,000 baud. (Or am I totally clueless on this?)

  26. Over My Cold Hard Mouse Talons by Flwyd · · Score: 1

    I don't understand the "my desk must be wire free" mentality. Wireless networking is nice because it's like a lamp: you can move around and use it equally; new people can walk into the room and use it without extra technology, etc. But I don't see the point of wireless mice, hard drives, etc. With a range of 3-10m, in order to move your computer very far, you have to carry the same number of objects whether or not they have wires. Normal human orientation is toward the computer/monitor, so the cords leading from user input devices all lead away from the user.

    If it's for aesthetic reasons, I suggest finding a way to make wires look niftier. It's probably cheaper than adding wireless chips.

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  27. Holy Duc[kt] Tape! by Inmatarian · · Score: 1

    Nifty idea, but it'd probably be more useful to just invest in an all-in-one cable that has several connectors for everything. One wire going from the desk down to the floor, and branching on each end to the various things. In fact, Duc[kt] Tape can probably do this with ease.

  28. Yes, you're clueless by shadow_slicer · · Score: 1

    Reference Wikipedia
    Note: Baud should not be confused with data rate in "bits per second" (or bytes per second, etc.). Each symbol transmitted can carry one or more bits (for example, 8 bits in 256-QAM modulation) of information. When each symbol is binary it carries just one bit, so baud and bit rate are equal. This is a cheap, simple encoding. However, it's common to make better use of channel bandwidth by encoding multiple bits per symbol.

  29. Wires...why did it have to be wires? by Driving+Vertigo · · Score: 1

    I like my wires. Hell, I have wires that aren't connected to anything strung about. And there is a method to my madness. At any moment, I expect an elite platoon of ninjas to converge on my position to ransack my colllection of porn, carefully concealed as scanned page of the holy bible, and neutralize me before I can say "what the smeg!" I need them to craft my own murder orchesta of Indiana Jones brand whoop ass. What have your RF signals done for you lately?

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    1. Re:Wires...why did it have to be wires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when them ninjas move in on a wireless porn stash, every one of those black bastards will walk away from the raid with a tumor.

      eventually.

      but, hey, revenge served cold and all...

  30. Never seen the point by tehcrazybob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never seen the point in the recent uptake in wireless technology. I have a wireless network, but it's just so I don't have to run network cords around my apartment. I hate my wireless network - it's unreliable and slow, despite being all alone on its channel and usually running at 54 Mbps. However, despite my own issues with it, I understand the point of wireless networking. It's great for public access or situations like my apartment where running cables cleanly is difficult. I can also see the point of a bluetooth mouse for a laptop, or a bluetooth keyboard for your PDA. It makes things faster and more portable, and gives you more freedom.

    However, I draw the limit there. My keyboard, mouse, monitor, printer, external storage, and occasional other things are all wired. I don't have to keep track of batteries, and I don't get poor performance near the end of my battery life. It's all sitting on my desk not moving anyway, and there are only a few cords present on my desk - the rest are hidden behind the desk. I also like the tactile effort cords provide. When I plug my graphing calculator into my computer, when I stick a USB thumb drive in, when I connect my camera, when I plug in my headphones, or when I hook up a USB card reader, there's tactile feedback. I know I have just achieved something. I also don't find it terribly inconvenient to stick my flash drive into a front USB port.

    There's more than just reliability and feedback, though. When I unplug my flash drive or external hard drive, I know that the devices are powered down and safe from snooping eyes, and not experiencing wear and tear. I also know that when I sit down at the computer lab with my flash drive in my pocket, the guy next to me isn't stealing my files. I understand that the connection between the computer and device will probably be encrypted automatically, so that's fine. But what about the connection process? If I have to go through a lengthly process to associate the device before I can use it (bluetooth), then I'm not really any better off than I was with wired USB. If I don't have to go through that process, what's stopping the guy next to me from doing it? And in the same computer lab, with USB my mouse isn't going to suddenly decide to associate itself with the computer across the way. Now, we could password protect the flash drive. However, and perhaps I'm alone on this, I'd rather not have a password on my mouse. And what if I replace 'mouse' with 'keyboard?' You can't password protect a keyboard.

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    1. Re:Never seen the point by profplump · · Score: 1

      You only have to go through the "lengthy process" once. On all future occasions you must simply be in range. The benefit is that you can leave your flash drive in you pocket and still access or files. Or in your briefcase across the room.

      You're also assuming that people only use computers at desks, and to a lesser degree, usually at the same desk. I agree that in such situations wireless devices are of limited usefulness. But for those of us that don't always have a desk when we use our computers, there's a real benefit to not having to find a cable and someplace to set our phone just to get online. Or to access files from a device still in our briefcase. Or to balance our laptop on an undersized shelf and use a real mouse on another surface (or lap). Also, in the case of mobile users, batteries are a non-issue -- every device we have already runs on batteries, otherwise it wouldn't be mobile.

    2. Re:Never seen the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So now I'd have to charge my USB keys before I could use them?

  31. All you need to know... by lelitsch · · Score: 1

    FTFA: "Certified Wireless USB setups are still going to involve a lot of cables"

    Actually, in the first iteration, it's going to involve twice as many cables as wired USB. ;)

  32. Some current implementations are nice by Demonspunk · · Score: 0

    I agree that not everything should be wireless for all the reasons posted already. But I must add my vote in favor of ease of use items like wireless keyboard and mouse. Yes you do have to give them power somehow, sometime but its not inconvenient at all and unlike an early post its rarely "gone dead at a bad time" and then its because of my neglect in changing batteries I knew were dead for days and hadn't changed. I like to avoid carpal tunnel issues by typing with my keyboard flat in my lap on my couch. With a wired keyboard this would be all but impossible or at the least involve alot of cable to tangle in. Just my bit.

  33. Can this succeed in what Bluetooth is failing? by snitmo · · Score: 1

    A new technology is fine and nice, but can this fix the Bluetooth mess (different vendors' devices don't talk to each other, no standard API, etc.)? I have an application I want to write that requires wireless communication between a PC and a handset, but the ineffectiveness of Bluetooth devices keeps holding me back. If UWB fixes the problems, I'll use it. If not, wake me up when it does.

    1. Re:Can this succeed in what Bluetooth is failing? by jas203 · · Score: 1
      but can this fix the Bluetooth mess (different vendors' devices don't talk to each other, no standard API, etc.)?


      Bluetooth goes a long way to try and avoid the "mess" you talk about with it's qualification program. I agree it isn't perfect, but it's the companies that produce non-compliant devices that should be blamed, not Bluetooth as a technology.

      And "no standard API" is completely wrong, how much of a "standard API" do you want for a wireless technology? Most technologies simply provide protocols which ultimately are just data pipes for stuffing bits over the air with (e.g. 802.11). Bluetooth defines not only protocols, but profiles - which are standard ways for using the protocols to do actual use-cases - that's as close as a wireless technology get to providing a "standard API".

      Try sending a set of contact details (such as a vCard) to a random set of PCs using WiFi and then try using Bluetooth. Would you say WiFi is as good as or better than Bluetooth for having "different vendors' devices talk to each other"?

      I'm curious to know how Bluetooth is limiting you? I've written several applications using Bluetooth, both using it as a protocol data pipe (L2CAP using a socket style interface), and using profiles such OPP. I've found Bluetooth to be the most flexible method of wireless communication.
    2. Re:Can this succeed in what Bluetooth is failing? by snitmo · · Score: 1
      Hi,

      Since you seem much more knowledgeable about Bluetooth than I, maybe you can tell me what I should do. Here's the list of the problems I faced last year:

      - I have a Nokia 6620 phone and a Belkin Bluetooth USB adapter. They don't talk to each other well. Connection gets lost often (every 5 minutes or so), and once it's lost, I need to reboot the PC to find the phone again. Are there adapters out there that are more suitable to Nokia phones?

      - What API should I be using to talk to the phone? I first looked into Windows Bluetooth API, but I guess this one needs Windows Bluetooth stack, which doesn't work with my Belkin adapter. Next I looked into WIDCOMM API, but this one costs several thousand dollars, I think. Finally, I looked into RFCOMM used in Bemused, but I couldn't find a way for the PC to discover the phone. The phone must connect to the PC, I think. At this point I gave up.

      Of course you are right that Bluetooth technology itself isn't the one to be blamed, but as a programmer, I don't really care where the blame goes. I just want something that works. If you know how I can solve these problems (another device ... another API ... anything), do let me know.

  34. Feh. just what we need. by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

    Another way to waste power by pouring it into the air.

    Another reason to leave all our electronics on, all the time.

    Another reason why it's too inconvenient to do anything about gross over consumption and it's effect on our environment.

  35. Except... by Junta · · Score: 2, Informative

    Copper pennies aren't made anymore, because, you guessed it, the amount of copper required to make a penny is worth more than 1c, so if they made copper pennies you'd be theoretically better off melting them down and selling the raw material...

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    1. Re:Except... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1
      Copper pennies aren't made anymore, because, you guessed it, the amount of copper required to make a penny is worth more than 1c,

      Pennies are made of over 95% zinc. But the price of zinc has risen to more than 1c per penny as well (blame the Chinese economy). But that's only the beginning of why pennies ought to be eliminated.

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    2. Re:Except... by Eivind · · Score: 1
      It's just silly. Pennies are just a nuisance and have enormous negative value. The time and effort needed to deal with them much outweigh any "advantages".

      In Norway, for example, the smallest coin is the 50 øre, with a value of about 10 pennies, and frankly, we could even do nicely without and stick with the krone. (1 krone is 100 øre, so the 50-øre could just aswell be thougth of as the 1/2 krone)

      There are still prices given more accurately than that, but it's rounded to nearest 50 øre when paying cash. This hardly makes a difference. On the average you'll be "lucky" and "unlucky" equally often, so it makes no real difference to the prices. Except prices ending in .75 and .25 are always rounded *up*.

      End effect, 2% of all your transactions you end up losing 25 øre. Which means that *if* you pay in cash 5 times daily 365 days a year, you end up losing 9.12 krone pro year. Ok, so it costs you a single buck a year. I think it's safe to say we can live with that. Besides, one could easily eliminate even *this* "unfairness" by saying that 0.25 gets rounded down and 0.75 gets rounded up. That way, statistically, you'd end up paying the same.

    3. Re:Except... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      It's fair now. Look, there are 25 values from 0 to 24, and 25 values from 25 to 49. So, 0-24 round down, 25-49 round up. Similarly 50-74, and 75-99 are also evenly split. If you round down at 25, then you are making things statistically unbalanced.

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    4. Re:Except... by Eivind · · Score: 1
      Nonsense. Your math is wrong.

      Imagine you buy 100 products, with prices from 1.00 to 1.99. The mathemathically correct price for all these transactions would be the sum of the series, or 149.50 (do it on your pocket-calculator if you don't trust me) This is also what you'd pay in norway if you bougth all these products in one transaction. (rather than as discrete purchases)

      Now, with norwegian rounding-rules, you will pay 1.00 for 25 products, 1.50 for 50 products, and 2.00 for 25 products, in total 150.00 which is, as I claimed, 50 cents more than "correct".

      The reason is simple, you make it much too complicated. There's 2 values where the distance up and down is equal. .25 and .75 to make it mathemathically fair, you'd have to chose to round these in different directions, when you chose (as norway has done) to round both up, you get a statistical bias.

      The simplest "fair" method (and the most coin-reducing one) would probably be to say that .25 and .75 always go to the nearest krone, so that .25 goes down and .75 goes up. This would also decrease the percentage of transactions where the 0.50 coin is needed by a percent :-)

  36. probably a dumb question... by 1trickymicky · · Score: 4, Funny

    but... if i've got one of these devices in my backpack and i walk past a whole heap of computers, lets say in an office for example... is it going to try and install it automatically?

    "Windows has recognised your UWB vibrator and is installing it now......"

    1. Re:probably a dumb question... by finity · · Score: 1

      Force feedback porn... That's awesome!

  37. what if: Graphics Board on Monitor? by jfig · · Score: 1

    And info to the board goes wireless instead of its output

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  38. secure LANs hurray... by recharged95 · · Score: 1

    With stuff like Bluetooth capability, I'm waiting for battery powered routers and stuff. Less interference and smaller LAN range i.e. more secure [physically].

  39. No Threat to WiFI by fwr · · Score: 1

    This isn't plumbing, and it isn't a threat to WiFi. At 10 meters as the maximum distance, and 3 meters the desired distance, you'd have to have an AP every few feet just to get proper roaming and coverage. It would fit in better as a replacement for Bluetooth and "personal" devices, such as cell phone connectivity to laptops, wireless mice, headsets, etc. Of course I haven't RTFA, but with a summary that lists the distances indicated anyone can pretty much tell this isn't a WiFi replacement.

  40. Why go wireless? by Gerzel · · Score: 1

    The way I see it there is a trend to go wireless even when wires are the better/simpler option. Now lets brake this problem down into its parts.

    What wires provide:
    A. Power from an outside source.
    B. Information to/from an outside source.

    The major problem with wires is that they create clutter and can get caught on things if moved around a lot. Otherwise they are a time tested and relativly cheep way of providing A & B to devices. Now clutter can also be dealt with by simple organization for devices that don't move around a lot. Ethernet cables can be run through walls, power cables can be tied together and tucked out of the way etc.

    A further problem to consider is that the more "wireless" applications you have around the more volume of trafic is being carried about in the aether. So it is essential to take a moment and think of what is best done wirelessly and what is best to go ahead and wire.

    1. Re:Why go wireless? by Saurian_Overlord · · Score: 1
      I think the main thing is getting rid of the clutter entirely rather than reorganizing, which in some cases is just plain lazy. If the range were better, it would make a little more sense, although if a 10-meter range still facilitates an adequate signal, it's definitely nice for things that get moved around a lot or are on the opposite side of a room. But for the most part i do agree with you; if you don't have to move it, and you don't have to string it across the floor/desk/whatever, why not just use a wire?

      The other major bonus of a wire that you didn't touch on is the reliability factor. You did mention wireless traffic being a problem, but what about signals being physically blocked? I have a wireless router on top of my desk's hutch, and a second computer in the opposite corner of the room with a wireless PCI card in it. The only objects between them are a magazine file and a paper tray next to the router, and i can't get a decent signal to save my life. I finally just ran a 30-foot network cable along three walls to a device that's 8 feet away. (Of course, i think my problem there may be the device itself, since the PCMCIA card in my laptop gets a good signal two rooms away, or even outside the house; both cards are from the same manufacturer, though, and there isn't much difference between them besides the interface method.)

    2. Re:Why go wireless? by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Oh I just assumed that this would have enough transmission power to 'burn' through any obstacle, so that I can use it to destroy my enemies.

    3. Re:Why go wireless? by Saurian_Overlord · · Score: 1

      I don't know that "burning through" objects is very practical for normal, everyday communication with devices. However, i do like the part about destroying enemies with it. "Hey, Joe, something's wrong the printer...can you look and see if a light's blinking or something?" "Um, let's see...no, it looks like *bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt* AAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHH!!!!"

    4. Re:Why go wireless? by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      It isn't practical yet, but a man can dream can't he?

  41. So now by mgmatrix · · Score: 1

    My data can be stolen with much greater speed and convenience.

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  42. So it'll probbably be possible with this tech by MikShapi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All you have to do is bond several channels together and there's your wireless monitor.
    Wifi has, what, 11 channels? How many does wireless USB have?

    Since the range on this is relatively tiny, you can probbably aggregate, say, 5 or 6 WUB channels into a single 2+Gbit channel to talk to your monitor. Sure, you'll be barred from putting more than 1 or 2 in close proximity, and yet... For the price of 5-6 transmitter chips at each end and a bit more core logic, a manufacturer can probbably piece this together today and it probbably won't cost too much either, at least once some competition throws in.

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    1. Re:So it'll probbably be possible with this tech by Rimbo · · Score: 1

      On the topic of range, I know that Kiyon in San Diego has already prototyped a UWB mesh system, so the range won't be a problem forever.

  43. Uhhh... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    802.11b is _hard_. You need a platform to drive it. And what if you want to use encryption, how do you interface that into the device easily? So it needs an embedded OS with a web server.

    Good job, genius. You saved -100$ of hardware for a $5 CCD.

    UWB is a simple radio protocol that to the device looks like a USB UART (which means integrators could basically plug'n'play in their designs). Like bluetooth, you'll be able to get a chip with the majority of the implementation on it, minus an power/antenna stage.

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    1. Re:Uhhh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Ok, if UWB is so simple, how are you going to implement good security on it like WPA on WiFi? Otherwise, you'll have hackers and pranksters running around screwing with your wireless USB cameras, PVRs, etc.

      They tried forgoing security with 802.11 when it first came out, and it was a disaster.

    2. Re:Uhhh... by Btarlinian · · Score: 1

      Did you RTFS?
      The maximum range of UWB is something like 10 feet. No hacker would be able to get that close to your computer without you noticing.

    3. Re:Uhhh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Do you know what a "meter" is? Or did you not RTFS either?

      Here's the line from the summary:
      "with speeds dropping off as the range grows to a limit of about 10 meters."

      That's a good 30 feet. Even in many subdivisions, that'll probably get you to the neighbor's house, with today's postage-stamp lots. In an apartment complex, 30 feet will get you to lots of people on all sides and above and below.

    4. Re:Uhhh... by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      You can already buy wireless network cameras. They're a little pricey, but not insanely expensive. And you can get cheap clones if you shop around.

      http://www.axis.com/products/cam_207/index.htm

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    5. Re:Uhhh... by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      On top of that, it's 30 feet with the little built-in or PCB-strip antenna. As with WiFi, you can generally get five or ten times the range (300 feet) if you use a cantenna or parabolic dish at one end of the link.. and much much futher with a dish at both ends.

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  44. Bandwidth sharing between devices by JasonTik · · Score: 1

    What happens if I use several of these devices with the same comptuer? Will they each get their own channel, or will they, together, max out at this transfer speed, instead of individually? If they do get their own, how many channels are there? These are things you wouldnt have to consider with the current USB setup, but which may be significant here.

    1. Re:Bandwidth sharing between devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, what if I have more than one computer in the same room, which device will "link up" with which computer?

  45. You Heard it Here First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UWB Mass Storage Device + Windows Autoplay == Mass Wireless Pwnage.

    What do you want to bet?

  46. Ultrawide band???? by syousef · · Score: 1

    Does that mean these devices will flood the spectrum???

    I don't want to get rid of my cables if it means everything interfeers with everything else. Sounds like wireless hell. However it's the first I'm hearing of this technology so I'd be very happy to be corrected.

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  47. Challenges abound, and for what? by DrChuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So whomever first observed that the benefit of USB was that you could power the damn things too was spot on. Take the NeXT cube, sure it was wired but it was ONLY ONE wire. So this has some of the same feel. I read this as a response to the completely messed up world that is Bluetooth (and Zigbee) because nobody can create a wireless standard that you and I can program without joining some $100,000 up front consortium and with $50,000 per annum bulk patent licensing rights. The first wireless proposal that is both "open" in the sense that its well docuemented and "free" in the sense that you can claim compliance without having your arse sued off because you implemented to the SPEC, will take all other wireless standards out. --DrC

  48. Almost, but not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The power brick is wireless, the speaker isn't.

  49. Gotta change the batteries again by cheater512 · · Score: 1

    Wireless USB is a terrible idea unless it comes with specs for power over wireless usb. ;)

    Changing batteries isnt very fun. The power has to be transmitted wirelessly for it to take off.

  50. Wireless does not beat wired. by gellenburg · · Score: 1

    Hmmm..

    Cables:
      - Require no additional power
      - Difficult to intercept communication
      - Finite distance
      - Clutter

    UWB/ Wireless in General:
      - Requiers power for transmitter/ receiver resulting in reduced battery life or increased power consumption
      - Interception/ eavesdropping much easier
      - Tempest Emissions/ Interceptions?
      - Finite distance
      - Much more susceptible to interference

    I'm sure there's more but I'll stick with copper, thank you.

  51. it has been done.... by way2trivial · · Score: 1
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  52. I think the main purpose of this by Zorque · · Score: 1

    Is not to replace USB devices, per se, (it will certainly do that, too, but we already have wireless devices) but to be used in short-range wireless networking applications. I know I would love to have USB 2.0 transfer speeds between my laptop and desktop without using a patch cable, and I'm sure a lot of other people would too. It would also be useful for flash memory. Imagine never having to remove your thumb drive from your pocket, but still retaining those transfer speeds. Really, this seems like a matter of convenience to me, but perhaps there will be further applications that will expand the spectrum of useability.

  53. Wireless USB revealed by Astroboy1 · · Score: 1

    Wireless USB is a 128-carrier, OFDM system that instantaneously occupies 528MHz of spectrum. Each carrier is separated by about 4MHz, and in general uses simple modulation schemes to keep the complexity of the FFT processing to a minimum. While the theoretical speed is advertised at 480Mbps, practical demonstrations to date in real world environments, especially with more than one radio link running simultaneously in the same physical space, show more like 30-50Mbps. However, there's few real-world applications that truly use a significant portion of USB2.0's available bandwidth, so no one (except the external disk drive manufacturers) seem to be too worried about the bottleneck. WUSB was born from the FCC's ruling back in 2002 to open up 7.5GHz of spectrum, from 3.1 to 10.6GHz, to license-free, ultra-low-power, ultra wideband transmissions. The salient definition of UWB to the FCC was instantaneous occupancy of at least 500MHz of contiguous spectrum, thus the 128 carriers and 528MHz bandwidth. Otherwise, WUSB could be called an "802.11a on steroids", since it uses the same modulation scheme but with many more carriers. WUSB's promoters divided that spectrum up into 528MHz "channels", (see Figure 2 at http://www.deviceforge.com/articles/AT8171287040.h tml) and have a scheme whereby the link between two radios hops between channels in a psuedo-random fashion. Current technology radios use only the bottom three channels (3.1 - 4.8GHz) as current inexpensive CMOS technology doesn't perform well enough at higher frequencies. A significant challenge for UWB systems under the FCC ruling is the maximum power output. The FCC specifies a level of -41.3dBm per MHz, or about 0.007 mW per MHz. So, for a 528MHz wide signal, the maximum output power is still less than 10% of your basic Bluetooth headset, thus the extremely short range. And the regulatory climate in the rest of the world is not good and getting worse for WUSB, with the regulatory authorities outside the US only willing to allow use on the frequencies above about 6 or 7GHz, making the propagation issues even worse. Challenges from multipath and absorption by materials in the path create a system that may practically have only a meter or two maximum range. Right now, even though there are a number of companies that claim to have working, shipping, useful silicon, the real story is that it's a long way off from commercial utility, the price is very high, as is the power consumption. This is not a $5 chipset, nor should it be used in battery-starved devices. The Bluetooth SIG adopted the use of a form of the WiMedia WUSB radio for its upcoming Bluetooth 3.0 release, originally scheduled for the beginning of 2007, but now slipped out to (at least) October 2007, with real products not expected until 2009. The mandate from the BT SIG is that only UWB radios that operate in the >6GHz spectrum will be allowed, and the industry is years off from being able to meet that requirement. 802.11n is much closer to reality, its data rates are already comparable to the practical instances of WUSB, and it is not constrained by the exceedingly severe regulatory power limitations. It has a strong ability to trump anything that WUSB could eventually roll out, and crafted for very low power operation, be just as power efficient as WUSB.

  54. Batteries by LastExyle · · Score: 1

    Until they figure out a way to transfer power through wireless technology too, I say this is all a waste of time. A cable is a lot less annoying than having to buy new/recharge batteries all of the time.

    1. Re:Batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed

  55. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor (way off topic now) by cypherz · · Score: 1

    cute kitties!

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  56. Replace the wires with wires by paulkoan · · Score: 1


    Excellent, so now all my usb powered devices no longer need usb wires, they can be wireless except for the new wires required to power them.

    Or has something happened in the exrucatingly slow world of battery developement that I don't know about?

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  57. How about inside the box? by Mr.Scamp · · Score: 1

    It could also be handy in getting rid of all those pesky cables (sata, ide, scsi, CD/DVD sound, etc...) inside the box. It would make for a nice clean looking PC.

  58. we need more spectrum by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

    How many technologies do they think they are going to cram into the 2.4GHz range? It's ridiculus. Bluetooth, 802.11, ZigBee, Microwave ovens, cordless phones, game controllers, and now USB? Why can't the FCC open up more frequencies to the public instead of selling them of to the cellphone corporations?

    1. Re:we need more spectrum by Ullteppe · · Score: 1

      WUSB isn't 2.4 GHz. It is very wide band (hence UWB - ultra wide band) between 3 and 9 GHz or so. (But it raises coexistence questions with the applications that use these frequencies).

  59. The security/paranoid in me says... by jftitan · · Score: 1

    I don't want my video signal to be broadcasted... at most if EVER upto 3ft, is all I want my Video signal to ever reach.

    As it is, I've been able to tap into(errr capture) the wireless signal used by a company I work with, that monitors the employee breakroom, front door, lobby, and conference room. By far, at least these locations are considered public access (except the break room), but its my opinion that a computer screen should never be wireless.

      Its the paranoid in me that says, someone may capture my video signal and see everything I do.

    Am I wrong to think this. At least add one or two levels of intrustion/capture prevention, and we are set. Even if its false sense of security, at least make it to the point someone HAS to be doing something illegal. We've been over this subject with wireless access points.

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    1. Re:The security/paranoid in me says... by Obyron · · Score: 1

      You're too late. You've obviously never heard of Van Eck Phreaking.

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    2. Re:The security/paranoid in me says... by profplump · · Score: 1

      If you're worried about that you could encrypt the channel with no extra bandwidth requirements. It's not necessary to either A) do a bi-direction key exchange or B) to do it in-band, so encryption shouldn't change the comm requirements much at all.

      It's worth noting that your display itself is already broadcasting the displayed image, which makes me think that encrypting a video transmission with an effective range of ~30 feet is not a big deal. I'm not sure it's an issue with LCDs, but it certainly is with CRTs -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking.

  60. good.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now my mouse and keyboard will just be attached to an AC supply instead of USB or PS2. Or my desk will just be cluttered with a bunch of rechargers.

  61. Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great so now I replace the USB cable on my keyboard/mouse/joystick/etc. with a power cable.. Either that or get batteries for everything and be have to change them constantly. Brilliant!

  62. drivers of the future? by JeremyALogan · · Score: 1

    What I'd really like to see is some sort of open intermediate language that the "drivers" could be written in. What I imagine is you switch on your device (or plug it in if it's wired), the computer sees it and "pairs up", they do a little handshake, then the device sends it's "driver" to the computer, the computer loads it and then it magically works... no more scavaging the internet for drivers. The reason I see it as an intermediate language is so that it could work with any type of machine (PC, Mac, nix box, etc). Now, I'm not an electrical engineer (or anything related), but is there any real reason this couldn't work? Seems like it'd be a boon to manufacturers to be able to code the drivers once and have the device be compatible with virtually any platform.

    1. Re:drivers of the future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the biggest barriers to this has to do with bugs in the drivers. If the driver is in the device, then when that major security hole is found in that driver, the manufacturer would have to recall all of its devices, as opposed to providing updates on their website.

  63. Number of cables on my desk by zobier · · Score: 1

    Keyboard
            1
    Mouse
            2
    Phone
            4
    Network
            4
    Power
            10

    So where's my wireless power!? Though I'm not sure if I want the level of radiation necessary to power all these devices wirelessly in my study.

    Back to the topic. UWB is old news, but I was recently reading some old news about it's use in localised RADAR applications. I'd like a "digital compas" that tells me, my wife and kids where each other are when we're at the shopping centre etc.

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  64. Old news but cool technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is old news but cool technology. Devices that use the technology were demonstrated at IDF San Francisco in March 06.

  65. Re:HA HA, i can see josh's penis!!! by HeroreV · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This is what gay Iranian boys will have to settle for. No gigs upon gigs of video for them. So sad.

  66. Which is why UWB is dumb. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    nt

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  67. It's not that bad by gomun · · Score: 1

    It's useful for self powered devices such cellphones, pda, cams ...

  68. FPS != Refresh rate by repvik · · Score: 1

    My 100Hz TV doesn't have 100FPS. It has 24 or 25 (PAL/NTSC). The extra Hz just make the image much more stable and comfortable to look at.

    1. Re:FPS != Refresh rate by monsted · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the case of computer monitors with a variable input signal, it does actually show 60/85/whatever distinct pictures per second (although some may be the same if your app isn't fast enough to update the frame buffer).

  69. I welcome our WUSB overlords ... by Khaotix · · Score: 1

    I could remove a ton of wiring if WUSB was supported by all my electronics.

    Sure, I'd still need power cables for a lot of this stuff, but I could put my consoles beside my couch and limit the wires cutting across my room. I could play movies/tv shows on my tv from my PC without tossing them on my xbox first ...

    I think wifi should have been put into audio recievers already so we could have sound setups where you don't need to hook up all your crap to it - just set your device to transmit mode and there you go. God that could be a mess in an apt building though ...

  70. Re:Wireless Digital Monitor (way off topic now) by tehcyder · · Score: 1
    cute kitties!
    OMG kitties!!!
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  71. Re:certified wireless USB--power anyone? by SoapDish · · Score: 1

    Tesla coil power system for computers?

  72. health effects? by monkey_dongle · · Score: 1

    with the continued proliferation of all the different wireless technologies, does anyone else out there wonder about the health implications such technologies pose?

    personally, i don't use a bluetooth head set for my cell phone, because i don't want that energy constantly near my head! and in general, as the devices become more powerful, i assume that the energy intensity increases.

    we've all heard of the correlation between power lines and cancer clusters from a few years back, and the brief attention the media paid to the potential of cell phone dangers, but has anyone seen any more recent studies about all of these radio signals and the harmful physical potential they pose?

    i'm all in favor of technology, but not at the expense of basic health. i'd hate to have my system all tricked out w/ the latest super-wireless protocalls only to find out that in ten years i'll be developing toumors on my hands!

    1. Re:health effects? by chshrkt · · Score: 1
      ...only to find out that in ten years i'll be developing toumors on my hands!

      I was always told it was hair...

      As for the harmful rays, I personally keep a box of Heavy Duty Reynolds Wrap next to my computer to ensure my brain is fully encased in Aluminium foil at all times... ;)
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  73. What did that poor penny ever do to you? by nido · · Score: 1

    But that's only the beginning of why pennies ought to be eliminated.

    Oh, how I long for the day that a penny could buy something meaningful...

    Rather than focusing on waging war against the poor humble penny, why not focus your attention on the federal policies that have made it nearly worthless? I'm talking about perpetual deficits and the federal reserve printing 'dollars' like there's no tomorrow.

    If we had a rational monetary system in the U.S., there couldn't have been a housing bubble, nor a tech bubble... Take a look at this graph of the (m3) money supply - there is an inflection point is right around 1/1995, when the federal reserve started 'printing' money. The tech bubble followed soon thereafter. After that bubble popped, all that money started flowing into housing. Now a lot of people are getting screwed because they can't afford their two investment houses and the condo in the mountains, and can't sell because they're now upside down. Sure, it's their own fault for overextending themselves, but it's mainly the bank's fault for lending them the money to make it possible.

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  74. Re:certified wireless USB--power anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not unless you want cancer. I worked at a store once where someone insisted there was a power adaptor that charged through bluetooth...

  75. EVERYTHING ALL OF THE TIME!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go hug a tree, hippie!

    I leave my LCD HDTV on 24x7, hooked into my always-on Mac Mini (HTPC) and external HDD... just displaying news feeds of BoingBoing with the RSS screensaver when not otherwise engaged.
    I leave about 10 802.11g devices on 24x7 interconnected with WDS, providing network services for a variety of devices including MP3 DAAP shares, a networked color laserjet printer, a networked color duplex scanner, bittorrent, mail server, web server, jabber server, I2P proxy, squid proxy, tangle proxy, DNS cache, etc. etc.

    "Here I'm allowed, everything all of the time..."