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Material Tougher Than Diamond Developed

sporkme has handed us a link to a New Scientist article. The piece outlines the development of a new substance reported to be stiffer than diamond. A team of scientists from Washington, Wisconsin, and Germany combined the ceramic barium titanate and white-hot molten tin with an ultrasonic probe. The new material was, in some tests, almost 10x more resistant to bending than diamond. Composite materials researcher Mark Spearing of Southampton University comments on the result: "The material's stiffness results from the properties of the barium titanate pieces, Spearing says. As the material cools, its crystal structure changes, causing its volume to expand. 'Because they are held inside the tin matrix, strain builds up inside the barium titanate,' Spearing explains, 'at a particular temperature that energy is released to oppose a bending force.'"

237 comments

  1. Wait a minute by BenjiTheGreat98 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Stronger than adamantium?!?!?

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    1. Re:Wait a minute by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe this is the fabled adamantium we have been waiting for. What I want to know, is how likely is it that this stuff can be produced with any kind of industrial volume in the next 10 years.

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    2. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stronger than geek BO?

    3. Re:Wait a minute by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually the word diamond is derived from the Greek word adamas, so in fact diamond is adamantium.

    4. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Maybe this is the fabled adamantium we have been waiting for.

      I always got a chuckle from the (presumably uinintended) implication that adamantium was discovered by Adam Ant. :)

    5. Re:Wait a minute by mblase · · Score: 1

      so in fact diamond is adamantium.

      Diamond is a metal?

    6. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stronger than adamantium?!?!?

      It don't drink, don't smoke. What does it do?

    7. Re:Wait a minute by dsanfte · · Score: 3, Informative

      adamas, adamantis  N  M     3 6  M   [XTXCO]
      steel, hardest iron (early); anything hard, adamant; white sapphire; diamond;

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    8. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, the term Diamonique(tm) is derived from the word diamond, which is in turn derived from the Greek word adamas, so in fact cubic zirconium is diamond and adamantium.

      Riiiight.

    9. Re:Wait a minute by Nicholas+Evans · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's the hardest metal known to man. Duh.

      (Note to mods: Yes, this is an old joke.)

    10. Re:Wait a minute by Ltar · · Score: 2, Funny

      if they could make a car out of this.... and run it into a wall of it... what would happen?

    11. Re:Wait a minute by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      And how, pray tell, would you machine it?
      Anything cast at high temperature will need to be machined to have a precision fit (cylinder sleeves, piston heads, valves, etc.). If nitride or diamond tools are softer then they won't, well, cut it.
      -nB

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    12. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same way we shape diamonds today--we use other diamonds to cut/abraise them. So, we'd just be using [insert material name here] to cut/shape [material name here].

    13. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      no, Slayer is the hardest metal known to man

    14. Re:Wait a minute by mollymoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA says it's stiffer than diamond, that doesn't mean that it's harder than diamond.

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    15. Re:Wait a minute by Bob+of+Dole · · Score: 1

      Close. It's actually Dragonforce

    16. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's ancient Greek.

      adamas, adamantos, n. masc. or adj. (damao to conquer) Unconquerable.

      I. 1. Subst., adamant, i.e. the hardest metal (prob. steel); of anything fixed, unalterable; "fixed with adamant nails", i.e. inevitably.
      2. diamond.
      3. metaph., of love.

      II. 1. Adj., unbreakable.

      -- Liddell and Scott, Greek-English Lexicon (summarised)

    17. Re:Wait a minute by utopianfiat · · Score: 0, Troll

      You all need to get the fuck back to 4chan right now.

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    18. Re:Wait a minute by baby_robots · · Score: 1

      Also, the molecule that is essentially the basic carbon backbone is called adamantane.

    19. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO U

    20. Re:Wait a minute by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you're talking about. We all came from ebaumsworld.

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    21. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *yawn*
      Wake me up when they find something that Yuusuke's rei-gun can't put a crack in.

    22. Re:Wait a minute by iq+in+binary · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just because it's stiffer doesn't mean that it's harder. (god there are so many things wrong with that statement on so many levels)

      Note however that we don't need a stonger abrasive material. Grinding works on the basis of extreme velocity on the part of the particles in the abrasive wheel or band to do the cutting work. Aluminum oxide would work for the purposes of grinding this material into print. Given that it's a ceramic within a tin matrix; ALO2 would do beautifully.

      As for heavy cutting work, Tungsten Carbide would do just as well. I don't see anything to indicate that the material is HARDER than carbide.

      And speak of the applications..........to tell you the truth there really aren't that many widespread uses for a material like this. For now, with the expense of this material that's going to stay as it is for quite a while, there are FEW cases that would warrant using this material.

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    23. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what she said

    24. Re:Wait a minute by JamesP · · Score: 0, Redundant

      No, the real question is:

      Is it tougher than Chuck Norris?

      I doubt it...

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    25. Re:Wait a minute by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      The slashdot headline actually says "tougher" - which isn't the same either.

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    26. Re:Wait a minute by peragrin · · Score: 4, Informative

      the driver would die.

      Your car isn't made of steel any more but foldable, collapsable sections so the car takes damage instead of the people inside. Literally the materials are designed to bend at certain deceleration speeds. This goes back to the passenger compartment, where those sections suddenly become stronger. Ever notice how in a car wreck the only thing in one piece is the passenger compartment? The entire engine will go missing first.

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    27. Re:Wait a minute by justthisdude · · Score: 1

      Harder than chinese math?

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    28. Re:Wait a minute by badspyro · · Score: 1

      YaY! Finaly someone with good speed metal taste!

    29. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still steel.

    30. Re:Wait a minute by dsanfte · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, I know it's ancient Greek. Ancient Greek can also go suck a cock for all the awful loanwords it's given us over the years, especially in Biology. I'm seriously thinking of compiling a list of Latin alternatives for all the Greek out-of-nowhere bullshit words assigned to objects in the cell.

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    31. Re:Wait a minute by v1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Another good thing to look up is "crumple zones", the areas of a vehicle designed to collapse while absorbing energy. In most cars, a head-on collision is supposed to force the engine and transmission down and out the bottom (since they are too solid to crumple) and the rest of the engine compartment collapses in on itself and hopefully slows down the vehicle or the intruding object to a safer speed before the crumple zone has been totally crushed and the remaining force starts in on the passenger area.

      The trunk has less to worry about, there is no massive steel (engine or transmission) to get rid of so it is just designed to crumple and absorb energy of impact.

      What amazes me is how well cars survive getting T-boned. In many cases the front end of the offending car is usually totally demolished and yet the struck driver's door is only pushed in a few inches.

      The tradeoff of all this is the vehicle's odds of surviving. If you are in a 52 packard you can run into a wall at 20mph and not do a whole lot besides ruin the bumper. They'll be pulling your head out of the windshield however. Try that with a Taurus and all you'll notice is the airbag, until you go looking for the front of your car and find it in the trunk. Cars used to be designed to survive accidents. Now they are designed to protect their passengers instead. People cry about how expensive it will be to fix a modern car after running into a tree, but they shut up real fast when you point out they would be in a body cast right now if it weren't for all that damage to their car.

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    32. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theyre calling it Viagranite.

    33. Re:Wait a minute by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I imagine it would be like a feather landing on a pillow, for very large values of feather, and pillow.

    34. Re:Wait a minute by revolu7ion · · Score: 1

      So what are the applications for this material (limited though they may be)? Is it hard to make it in large quanties? Could it maybe be used in engineering?

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    35. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You remind me of my Greek friend who also tells me that every second word is derived from a Greek word. Seems to be a spleen of Greeks who don't want to realize that the Greek empire who was the foundation of Western Civilization has become a rather insignificant country.
      No offense...

    36. Re:Wait a minute by Azuma+Hazuki · · Score: 1

      It's been said several times, but hardness != toughness != strength. In particular, the composition of this material reminds me a lot of tempered glass, in that there's a core of material that is held in a non-relaxed (and therefore higher-energy) state. Anyone remember what happens to tempered glass when it gets a scratch? Sure it's good at resisting pressure, but once a crack hits the inner core of material, the whole sheet/lens/object breaks into pixie dust. I don't think this stuff is going to replace diamond anywhere, though it is a nifty bit of materials science.

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    37. Re:Wait a minute by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      the driver would die.

      Yeah, but your car could just be hosed down and put on a used-car lot instead of the junk yard.

    38. Re:Wait a minute by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      the driver would die.

      Yeah, but your car could just be hosed down and put on a used-car lot instead of the junk yard.

      Which is good for the heirs, but bad for the economy.
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    39. Re:Wait a minute by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      That's not funny, man. I dropped my kid off at a Saturday "play Warhammer in the back room of a hobby shop" day. When I went to pick him up, that place was stink-kee, and it wasn't him! Phew! Those high school and college boys need to bathe before coming down.

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  2. Better than... by Thirdsin · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!" What are they going name this new SuperMaterial??
    Sorry, I couldn't resist

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    1. Re:Better than... by macadamia_harold · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are they going name this new SuperMaterial?

      Unobtainium?

  3. That's impossible! by Bobdoer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Diamond is the hardest metal known the man!

    1. Re:That's impossible! by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, according to wikipedia it isn't. It's the hardest natural material (which I think is what you meant, not metal). There are actually 2 known matericals that are stronger, and probably a third material after the one in this article is added to the article.

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    2. Re:That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whoosh?

    3. Re:That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's obvious that you don't frequent 4chan's /b/ and didn't get the reference.

      Don't worry, this is by no means a bad thing.

    4. Re:That's impossible! by Broken+scope · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Your response would work if he had said "mineral", diamond is not a metal.

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    5. Re:That's impossible! by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Why is it always assumed someone miss a joke when staying on topic just to give some info. I for one was happy for the information, but sure, the joke was kinda funny too. Can't we just leave it at that for once? :-p

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    6. Re:That's impossible! by GigsVT · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No, because it's incredibly fucking nerdy. And annoying.

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    7. Re:That's impossible! by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

      There are more information about hard materials, relationship of stiffness and hardness at this wikipedia article.

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    8. Re:That's impossible! by karnal · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, because it's incredibly fucking nerdy. And annoying.

      News for ______. Fill in the blank, and welcome.

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    9. Re:That's impossible! by Yvan256 · · Score: 1
    10. Re:That's impossible! by Falladir · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't conflate hardness with strength or stiffness. Hardness is not well quantified. For hardness we refer to the Mohs scale, which will tell you which of two substances is the harder, but doesn't strictly quantify hardness. A claim that substance A is "twice" as hard as substance B probably refers to the Young's Modulus, or stiffness, rather than to hardness.

      A common way to measure the Young's modulus is to support a sample of the material on two struts, and then apply pressure from above to the center of the sample. The less it bends, the higher the Young's modulus. The apparatus looks like this.

      Strength is a different quantity. Strength is the amount of force needed, per unit cross-sectional area, to cause the material to fail. For tensile strength, this means pulling apart. For compressive strength, it means collapsing. A material with great tensile strength can have a great weight hung from it without snapping, and a material with great compressive strength can act as a pillar to support a great deal of weight.

      The article claims nothing about the strength of this material.

    11. Re:That's impossible! by Silver+Gryphon · · Score: 1

      I dunno, man... down here in Alabama we use it in runnin' boards, tool boxes... hell, whole trucks. Ain't nothin' stronger'n diamond plate.

    12. Re:That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfunny jokes are way nerdier than facts.

    13. Re:That's impossible! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Bzzt! WRONG!

      It's geeky rather than nerdy. It always annoys me when people confuse a geek, someone highly intelligent and knowledgeable with a nerd, someone with no social skills. Read pages 358 and 654 of Mirriam Webster Extended Edition, 1997 issue.

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    14. Re:That's impossible! by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      This is making me hard.

      And, by my nickname, I *am* a metal. :P

    15. Re:That's impossible! by nebaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      I heard that there is a non-trivial correlation.

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    16. Re:That's impossible! by mrgavins · · Score: 4, Funny

      Stop being a nerdy geek, would you?

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    17. Re:That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that a large Young's Modulus is stronly associated with strength, right? Right? Everything obeys Hooke's Law in a neighborhood of F = 0.

    18. Re:That's impossible! by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Whoosh? ;) ...Sorry. :(

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    19. Re:That's impossible! by Falladir · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a large Young's Modulus is stronly associated with strength, right?

      This particular material certainly won't be especially strong. The internal stresses responsible for the surprising stiffness of this material will also make it more prone to failure.

      Everything obeys Hooke's Law in a neighborhood of F = 0.

      Isn't that more a fact of mathematics than of physics? Your claim follows directly from the assumption that the stress/strain curve is smooth. And with rare exceptions everything in physics is pretty smooth.

    20. Re:That's impossible! by fatphil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In English, rather than American English, the words are almost exactly reversed.
      Nerds are smarties, geeks are asocial gimps.

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    21. Re:That's impossible! by Obsi · · Score: 0

      Computers? In Alabama? Whodathunkit!

    22. Re:That's impossible! by FirienFirien · · Score: 1

      Careful... you might cause slashdot to implode...

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    23. Re:That's impossible! by ronanbear · · Score: 1

      Hardness is the resistance to indentation (or scratching).

      The summary also confuses toughness (resistance to impacts) which is usually mutually exclusive with hardness. Hard substances like diamond aren't tough. The hardest steels are brittle and not at all tough. You can smash them with a hammer like it was glass.

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    24. Re:That's impossible! by jbengt · · Score: 1

      And the headline uses the term toughness, whoch is altogether another property: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toughness

    25. Re:That's impossible! by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      Diamond is the hardest metal known the man!
      No, that's what The Man wants you to think!
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    26. Re:That's impossible! by MorePower · · Score: 1

      That is totally wrong and backwards. I don't have a Webster's to check, but if you're right then that means they're wrong too. And that really annoys me. During the '80s (when I was in school) "nerds" were high-IQ, computer-using, Star-Trek-loving, brainiacs. "Geeks" were anyone so uncool that a regular person would be embarassed to be seen with then. Technically, "nerd" was a subset of "geek", but "geek" was usually reserved for the "special" kids that literally rode the short bus to school (or someone that you metaforically wanted to compare to the devolopmentally disabled).

      Sometime in the mid to late '90s, people started using them backwards. At the same time, the stereotype changed from "90 pound weakling that dresses too nicely and will probably get rich by inventing new technology" to "300 pound loser with a stained shirt who never showers and lives in his parents basement". The annoys me too, when did we change from "Professor Frink" into "The Comic Book Guy"?

    27. Re:That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't conflate hardness with strength or stiffness.

      Um, just don't conflate. The girls can tell, and they don't like it.

    28. Re:That's impossible! by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      He's obviously sending the bits with his telegraph.

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    29. Re:That's impossible! by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      There is no clear distinction, but yours is really wrong.

      The best I've seen was:
      Nerds: Intelligent, technology obsessed.
      Geeks: Weird kids in general (originally: someone that does weird and especially gross things)
      Dorks: Anyone who lack social skills

      Most stereotype nerds are a geeky and dorky.

    30. Re:That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best definition of "nerd" that I've heard is from Douglas Adams:

      "A nerd is a person who uses a telephone to talk to other people about telephones."

    31. Re:That's impossible! by SoapDish · · Score: 1

      If he acknowledged the joke, and gave the information (without trying to correct), he would've gotten more respect.

      The joke was funny, the information from the reply was interesting, but the actual reply was poorly done.

    32. Re:That's impossible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly the distinction a nerd would make a point on.

    33. Re:That's impossible! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      > Browsing with +2 to insightful posts and a higher threshold makes the average post seen seem a lot more ingenious

      Oh, you poor fool. All the comments are dross, the difference is that the ones that get moderated up agree with local version of conventional wisdom and are written by people who are somewhat functionally literate.

      Slashdot is an echo chamber for your prejudices, Fox News for left wing geeks. If dictators knew about peer moderation, they'd sack all their censors. Peer moderation is the tyranny of the unthinking majority in it's purest form, and unlike other forms of censorship, it doesn't set up a privileged class who can subvert the system.

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    34. Re:That's impossible! by Jookey · · Score: 1

      "For compressive strength, it means collapsing" Not quite accurate. Materials don't really collapse under compression they buckle. And buckling depends on the type of structure you apply the load to. "compressive strength" isn't a material property. A material property is, tensile strength and shear strength.

    35. Re:That's impossible! by FirienFirien · · Score: 1

      > seem

      And if you don't like the system, then just set your threshold to +5 and set every possible modifier to -5. That way you never see any of the prejudices people are spewing. Hopefully none of the rest of us will have to see yours either.

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    36. Re:That's impossible! by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      News for ______.

      Slashdot: Because even nerds have nerds.

    37. Re:That's impossible! by TheRecklessWanderer · · Score: 1

      I thought norweigan death metal was the hardest metal.

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  4. stiffer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i think you mean stiffer, fool

    1. Re:stiffer by Gabrill · · Score: 1

      Impossible. My stiffy is much firmer.

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  5. Space flight by Ekhymosis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will this material be light enough for future space exploration, such as space stations and colony materials? Or is the cost associated with making it too prohibitive? How about the melting temperature/pressure resistance for deep earth exploration?

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    1. Re:Space flight by Myrcutio · · Score: 3, Interesting

      one application i can think of for space travel is to use it in the hull of a ship to deflect particles traveling at high speeds. You could use an electrical current to heat this material to 58 degrees celsius in a short amount of time, all you would need is a method of detection that could locate the particles a few seconds before impact, and you've got a barrier 10x harder than diamond in between you and vacuum. As far as costs go, i think NASA can afford it, isn't all the wiring on the shuttle solid gold?

    2. Re:Space flight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would hope the wiring for "informational" data is optical considering they fly through high energetic fields on earth space transitions.

      As for the price of metals, gold, diamonds etc, that is because the market is riged for CONTROL by various entities. The entire financial system is for control and is rigged, the world is controlled by BANKERS. Period.

    3. Re:Space flight by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      You don't want to be inside a solid shell upon impact with anything.
      The flimsy bags of mostly water will be squished on the inside.

      I would feel much better having the outer shell coated with a thick foam layer of increasing density (from aerogel on the outside to a dense fibre material inside.
      Absorb everything and stop things before they hit.
      Once you detect a hit, its a simple matter of turning on the sprinklers and the hole can be refilled.

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  6. Stronger than...? by Thirdsin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Stronger than CowboyNeal???? YOWZERS!! 8-)

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    1. Re:Stronger than...? by chawly · · Score: 0

      ..than CowboyNeal ? Can this be possible ? Great strength is required of our Editors - this is well known. We may be on the way to discovering what CowboyNeal is, in fact, made of. The real questions which we must face are, of course, the follwing. Are we sure that we really want to know ? Should we not just keep a respectful distance - to worship, as it were, from afar ?

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    2. Re:Stronger than...? by Anomolous+Cowturd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Looks pretty soft actually.

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    3. Re:Stronger than...? by poopdeville · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If that's Rob, what does Big Rob look like?

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  7. Stiffer?? by ignavus · · Score: 1

    "Stiffer" than diamond???

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    1. Re:Stiffer?? by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm still waiting for a material stiffer than my middle-aged spine.

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    2. Re:Stiffer?? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Resistance to bending. Not what diamond's known for.
      Osmium is stiffer than diamond.

      Article and summary are a bit mangled with their use of terminology.

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  8. And cue... by d12v10 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    the corny penis jokes!

    1. Re:And cue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      They'll call it Viagranite!

    2. Re:And cue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now is that a corny penis or a corny joke?

    3. Re:And cue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      corny penises are nothing to joke about.

    4. Re:And cue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's one:

      Tin Barium Titanate ain't got nothing on me right now. Oh yeah Jessica Simpson!!

  9. Ah misleading Slashdot article titles... by tylersoze · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love them almost as much as dupes. :) Material Tougher Than Diamond Developed...(in some tests), like say: "The tests were carried out at a variety of temperatures. Between 58C and 59C the samples became stiffer than diamond."

    Not to knock the experiment though, it seems interesting, and I'm sure there are all sorts of new exotic materials on the horizon.

    1. Re:Ah misleading Slashdot article titles... by topical_surfactant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...and within that narrow temperature window, only some samples proved to be significantly stiffer than diamond. I agree - article title gets an F, but experiment maintains interesting factor.

    2. Re:Ah misleading Slashdot article titles... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure this is a particularly interesting experiment - the stiffness arises from the internal stresses in a two phase matrix rather than an intrinsic property of the material. As such this is going to have a relative small number of applications.

    3. Re:Ah misleading Slashdot article titles... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      This specific material may have no practical applications at all. The knowledge gained from developing and studying it, however, may lead to many useful applications.

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    4. Re:Ah misleading Slashdot article titles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure this is a particularly interesting experiment - the stiffness arises from the internal stresses in a two phase matrix rather than an intrinsic property of the material.

      It's inorganic chemistry. Developing novel materials based on the interactions of multiple elements in a lattice is the whole bloody point.

    5. Re:Ah misleading Slashdot article titles... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      How exactly is this chemistry? Chemistry is usually defined as the study of exchange or sharing of electrons in materials. These materials were formed by physical processes, not chemical ones.

    6. Re:Ah misleading Slashdot article titles... by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1

      Not to knock the experiment though, it seems interesting, and I'm sure there are all sorts of new exotic materials on the horizon.

      It is certainly an interesting development - actively using the residual strains in the material to enance the stiffness. If the temperature window was wider, and closer to usable temperatures, it might be useful.

      I'd like to see the relationship between the apparent Young's modulus and temperature, at least for -40C to +40C. Seeing that the matrix is tin, I'm guessing that high temperature applications are completely out of the question.

      Bring on the titanium matrix!

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  10. Darn... by Aokubidaikon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now I have to the jewelers and have that diamond ring exchanged for a barium titanate one...

  11. Bah by MadUndergrad · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Bah by robbiethefett · · Score: 1, Interesting

      well, if you want to get techical.. Wikipedia != Fact but seriously.. it seems whenever some new material is concocted, they use misleading terminology to try and hype it up. although i may just find it confusing, because i'm a layman. all that aside, i'm always excited about these types of breakthroughs.. the possible applications of new materials is really limitless and as a student of mechanical engineering, i'm sure i'll get to discuss this tomorrow in class. cheers -rob

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    2. Re:Bah by be-fan · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that, like most materials which are very stiff, diamond isn't very tough at all.

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    3. Re:Bah by Falladir · · Score: 1, Interesting

      These wikipedia articles are 100% correct. Toughness and hardness are very simple concepts. Wikipedia might be unreliable for soft sciences, but for physics and materials science it's a great source of information and very rarely in need of correction.

      Your other posts don't make you look like a troll, but I suspect you might be prone to flippant comments like this one. Try to restrain yourself.

    4. Re:Bah by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      And also, hardness != either of the above, and *hardness* is the material property diamonds are known for (in addition to having a reasonably high index of refraction, although not the highest by any means.)

      The most typical test of hardness is attempting to scratch a material. (To measure a material's hardness on the Mohs scale, essentially a series of scratch tests are performed, and a material's place on the Mohs scale was determined by what it could scratch vs. what would scratch it.)

      I don't know about stiffness, but diamonds are definately not *tough*. As your links above show, "toughness" is resistance to fracturing under stress, and one of the ways diamonds are cut and shaped is by fracturing them along their crystal lattice planes. There are plenty of materials (Including, I believe, many plastics) that are *tougher* than diamond, but not necessarily harder. (For example, I believe ABS plastic and polycarbonate plastic are extremely tough, but neither are hard - i.e. they are VERY difficult to break via stress and impact, but scratch easily.)

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    5. Re:Bah by sasami · · Score: 1

      Moreover, diamond is decidedly not tough. It may be hard (resists scratching), and stiff (resists bending), but it does not resist fracturing or shattering.

      The toughest natural mineral is probably jade (both varieties), even though it's decidedly not hard. You can scratch it with a good knife, but if you take a hammer to a slab of jade, you're liable to damage the hammer. Interestingly, the microscale structure of jade is not unlike the material in TFA -- interlocking crystals, which are responsible for its physical strength.

      The perception of diamonds as "forever" and "indestructible" was constructed by the diamond industry. Diamonds aren't rare, either.

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    6. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody can edit Wikipedia, which means anybody can insert false information or make subtle changes to articles. Some of it gets detected and fixed pretty fast, and sometimes it stays for quite a long time before the embarrassment is revealed weeks or months later.

      Wikipedia is great, regardless, but I will not be one of those fanboys who insist its infallible or that anybody who disagrees with it is a "troll".

    7. Re:Bah by bmo · · Score: 1

      "The most typical test of hardness is attempting to scratch a material. (To measure a material's hardness on the Mohs scale, essentially a series of scratch tests are performed, and a material's place on the Mohs scale was determined by what it could scratch vs. what would scratch it.)"

      In the machining world and other places, where more accuracy is needed, "hardness" is defined as "resistance to penetration" or "resistance to plastic deformation, usually by indentation" (Metals Handbook) as in a diamond or ball bearing is placed upon the material and then a force is applied. The depth into the material or width of the mark is measured and matched to a scale (Rockwell, Brinell, Vickers, Knoop etc).

      More than what most people want to know about hardness:

      http://www.calce.umd.edu/general/Facilities/Hardne ss_ad_.htm

      Testing using Vickers, Knoop, Rockwell, and Brinell is much more accurate than the Mohs scale method, but there are file sets you can buy that will measure hardness in the same way as the Mohs scale, for portability reasons.

      http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=175861 9&PMT4NO=17662942

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    8. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They" didn't use misleading terminology to try and hype it up, slashdot fucked up the headline, nothing more. He looked like a troll for multiple reasons, not just for the wikipedia comment.

    9. Re:Bah by fatphil · · Score: 1

      _and_ diamond is known for hardness, not either of the above.

      The usual popular science mangling of terms has taken place. Just like wavefronts travelling faster than the speed of light becoming 'waves'.

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    10. Re:Bah by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1

      I don't know about stiffness, but diamonds are definately not *tough*.

      Diamond is very stiff. It has a Young's modulus of about 1000 GPa. Compare this to steel at about 200 GPa, titanium at about 100 GPa or aluminum at about 70 GPa. Silicon carbide is about 450 GPa.

      But yes, the toughness isn't good - the cleavage planes are easy to split.

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    11. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And also, hardness != either of the above, and *hardness* is the material property diamonds are known for (in addition to having a reasonably high index of refraction, although not the highest by any means.)"

      Diamonds also have an extremely high thermal conductivity - this is why they are cold to the touch and
      is partly why they are known as "ice".

  12. Obligatory... by Rix · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Bend over, I'll show you something stiffer than diamond.

    1. Re:Obligatory... by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's that thing, like 2 karats? Doesn't look like you could do much with it....

    2. Re:Obligatory... by oldhack · · Score: 1

      What's on your other window?

      Seriously, this is the website for nerds?! For god sake, you would think they'd know the difference between being stiff and being "tough." Did any of you /. editors actually took any science/engineering classes?! Mat Sci 101?!

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  13. Stiffer than diamond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't wait to get that spam...

  14. so is it 11? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If diamonds are 10 on the Mohs hardness scale, is this new material "11" or what?
    If so, it's time to burn yr geology texts!

    1. Re:so is it 11? by Ledsock · · Score: 2

      These go up to 11. [/spinal tap]

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    2. Re:so is it 11? by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Nope, because despite sensationalist Slashdot headings, this material isn't harder than diamond. In some tests, it is stiffer. More difficult to bend, not more difficult to scratch.

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    3. Re:so is it 11? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Dammit! Dammit! Dammit!

      There goes my joke that I had something harder to bend than a diamond.

    4. Re:so is it 11? by the0 · · Score: 1

      I fear for your wife.

  15. Diamonds are for toughness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Diamonds are used for their toughness, not so much their bending resistance. Many applications require toughness to resist chipping in tooling applications and such. You don't often find diamonds going across (relatively) large spans and needing to resist bending moments...

  16. Got to wonder about other properties? by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    Diamond is the best conductor of heat known. Given it's crystlian structure I wonder what it's thermal properites are or even it's electrical conductivity? Even if it's expensive it could be useful in applications like computer chips.

    1. Re:Got to wonder about other properties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Even if it's expensive...."

      EXACTLY! - There is no rational reason that diamonds need to be expensive, aside from greed.
      Diamonds have been artificially inflated in price by DeBeer's et al since the late 1800's when huge deposits where found on the African continent.

      Before that time diamonds where expensive due to relative scarcity. There is no logical reason nowadays that they have to be as expensive as they once where. Hell, we have the ability to mass produce them now in labs.

      Just one more reason to avoid giving expensive jewelry to your "better half".
      This being /. though, it is probably not a significant issue for most.

    2. Re:Got to wonder about other properties? by Spetiam · · Score: 1

      no, it's not. one material that has a higher thermal conductivity is a diamond simulant, "moissanite" (silicon carbide).

    3. Re:Got to wonder about other properties? by bmo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Obligatory movie quote:

      Sol: No, it's a moissanite.
      Lincoln: A what?
      Sol: A moissanite is an artificial diamond, Lincoln.
      Sol: It's Mickey Mouse.
              Spurious.
              Not genuine.
              And it's worth... ...fuck-all.

      from "Snatch"

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    4. Re:Got to wonder about other properties? by halovaa · · Score: 1

      Even if it's expensive it could be useful in applications like computer chips. Great, Windows Vienna is gonna require diamond-coated chips now.
    5. Re:Got to wonder about other properties? by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      The thermal property I'd worry about is that, like all other forms of carbon, it burns. As far as electricity goes, most diamonds are excellent insulators, though some blue diamonds are semiconductors. Last I'd heard, attempts to manufacture semiconducting diamonds by doping had been failing.

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  17. Hardness != toughness, get it right by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 4, Informative

    Toughness is a measure of the amount of energy necessary to break a material. Hardness is a measure of the amount of pressure required to deform it. The two are not the same. In fact, diamond is not a particularly tough material -- which is one reason why folks are discouraged from wearing diamond jewelry when, say, rock climbing. It's easy to fracture a diamond by bashing it against something even moderately hard -- even though no mineral is harder than the diamond, good ol' granite is much tougher.

    1. Re:Hardness != toughness, get it right by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      http://focus.aps.org/story/v9/st16 in 2002, they discovered that Osmium which is rather soft compared to diamond was the stiffer material. That is to say it has the higher bulk modulus.

    2. Re:Hardness != toughness, get it right by Falladir · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Cool! So of hardness, toughness, strength and stiffness, no two are always directly related. Thanks, man!

    3. Re:Hardness != toughness, get it right by Tomfrh · · Score: 2, Informative

      even though no mineral is harder than the diamond, good ol' granite is much tougher

      Toughness (units in MPa m^0.5)

      Granite: ~2
      Diamond: ~3.5
      Steel: ~100

      Toughness is a combination of strength and ductility. Granite is medium strength and very low ductility. Diamond is high strength and very low ductility. Steel is medium strength and high ductility.

    4. Re:Hardness != toughness, get it right by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good ol' rock. Nothing beats that! /simpsons

      - RG>

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    5. Re:Hardness != toughness, get it right by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I think there are different kinds of hardness. One is a kind on pressure resistance as you say, there is another scale used to rate scratch resistance.

    6. Re:Hardness != toughness, get it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bulk modulus of Osmium has been disputed in "B R Sahu and L Kleinman, "Osmium Is Not Harder Than Diamond", Phys. Rev. B 72 (2005)". Also, aggregated diamond nanorods have a higher bulk modulus. Whatever!

  18. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Try again. Chuck Norris is the toughest material on earth, and he just snapped it in two using a karate chop.

    1. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try again. Chuck Norris is the toughest material on earth, and he just snapped it in two using a karate chop.
      That's wierd.
      I heard it snapped just as he was reaching to grab it...
    2. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All Jack Bauer had to say is "DAMN IT!"

    3. Re:Nope by TempeTerra · · Score: 3, Funny

      True, but Chuck Norris was forged in an immense burst of energy at the very creation of the universe. This material can be produced in a lab, unlike Chuck Norris.

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    4. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chuck Norris is so awesome because he loves jesus and the republican party.

      wait wait where is the joke? i guess he just isn't funny anymore

      Unless you were using it ironically, in that case I salute you!

    5. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh... I heard the Big Bang was actually caused by Chuck Norris kicking a hole in an alternate universe.

  19. Site is down! by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How does a newscientisttech.com get slashdotted after 22 comments?

  20. resistant to bending .... by Ace905 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's so many ways to measure the qualities of a material, I don't think anybody would be surprised to know steel is more than 7 times denser than water. But some people would be amazed to find Mercury is almost twice as dense as steel.

    This, "resistant to bending" terminology seems like a real stretch of imagination to me. When do we, as average people ever consider the force involved in -bending- a diamond? It really doesn't sound like a practical thought experiment, and therefore doesn't sound even mildly interesting.

    Spider's Silk is 'stronger' than steel - we've all heard. But there's about 1000 reasons you can't build a ship, or a building or even a walking-cane out of spider's silk.

    This just sounds like bad hype to me ; what I want to know, and what I think everybody wants to know is - will you be able to CUT THE DIAMOND with this material. Diamonds have been the upper-limit of our prowess with cutting-wheels ; do you have a better material for grinding and cutting? Don't confuse the issue.

    Unfortunately I couldn't read the article (slashdotted? what the hell) so I'm going based on the write-up available. don't hate me if the article answers my question.

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    1. Re:resistant to bending .... by Falladir · · Score: 5, Interesting

      will you be able to CUT THE DIAMOND with this material

      No, you will not. The material is only stiffer than diamond in a narrow temperature range. If you tried to cut with it, it would heat up and lose this stiffness.

      The article does a lousy job of explaining this temperature-dependent stiffness to non-experts. From what I understand, this is how it works: one of the two components is like a framework of tinkertoys, and the other is like a bunch of water balloons filling up the gaps in the tinkertoy structure. Both the tinkertoys and the water expand as the material's temperature is increased, possibly at varying rates. In that small range at 58 degrees F, the water baloons fit very tightly in the structure. They strain the tinkertoys, but don't break them. The tinkertoys flex as they usually would because the water balloons are holding them in place, so the entire assembly is very stiff.

    2. Re:resistant to bending .... by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Informative
      Here's the most relevant portion of TFA:

      Once ingots of the new composite had cooled, rectangular or cylindrical samples 3 centimetres long and 2 millimetres across were tested for stiffness. The response of the samples to bending was tested by gluing one end to a strong support rod and the other to a magnet with a small mirror attached.

      Rhythmic force
      An electromagnet was used to exert a rhythmic force on the material one hundred times per second. The resistance of the composite to the bending force - called the Young's modulus - was recorded by a light sensor monitoring laser light bouncing off the mirror.

      The tests were carried out at a variety of temperatures. Between 58C and 59C the samples became stiffer than diamond. Some were nearly 10 times as resistant to bending.
      ...
      Since energy has to be stored in the material to make it super-stiff, the creators have only really measured an "apparent Young's modulus", says Spearing. A true Young's modulus is an inherent property of a material, and would also be more constant across a greater range of temperatures, he notes.
      So no, this isn't going to be used for cutting diamonds AFAIK.

      But since this stuff seems relatively easy to make, I imagine it'll have a wide range of uses. Price is usually the number one obstruction in using high strength materials.
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    3. Re:resistant to bending .... by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Diamond (hardness of 10) is the hardest naturally-occuring mineral, but it is not the hardest material. Ultrahard fullerite is close to twice as hard as diamond. Boron-carbide, tungsten-carbide and silicon-carbide (hardness of 9 each) are only marginally softer. Osmium (as well as being the most expensive metal and the densest metal) is as close to diamond as pure metals get (hardness 7), but doesn't quite cut it. (Pun intended.)

      The hardest known material, at present, would be aggregated diamond nanorods. (These are apparently produced by crushing buckyballs at extreme pressures. What "Get Fuzzy" makes of this is currently unknown.)

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    4. Re:resistant to bending .... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Ultrahard fullerite is close to twice as hard

      I think you've been reading too much herbal v1agra spam.

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    5. Re:resistant to bending .... by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 1

      i work with precious metals (or transition metals to chemists), and osmium is nowhere near the most expensive metal. Rhodium is, BY FAR, the most expensive metal. it makes a great catalyst for many things, but due to cost is not a practical lab catalyst.
      Next is rhenium, then platinum, then come all the rest. Osmium might even be lower than gold, although I am not sure.

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    6. Re:resistant to bending .... by jd · · Score: 1

      Last I looked, Osmium is around 4.5 times that of gold.

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    7. Re:resistant to bending .... by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 1

      prices per ounce:
      osmium: $400
      gold: $630
      rhenium: $2000
      rhodium: $4000

      maybe they found a new source of osmium since you last checked.

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    8. Re:resistant to bending .... by jd · · Score: 1

      Just double-checked and your prices are indeed correct. Since I could find no reference to a new source or a new extraction technique, I resorted to checking the wiki page for Osmium. I'm guessing I must have been looking at the price for Osmium-187, which is indeed about four times the price of gold, as that would explain why we were getting hugely different values. My apologies for not checking more carefully WHICH Osmium I was looking up the price for.

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  21. Impossible by ThePsion5 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Unless they've "Discovered" Chuck Norris.

  22. So, this stuff may be tough enough? by GMontag · · Score: 0

    So, this stuff may be tough enough to survive my clumsy fumbling for longer than a week or so?

  23. Test sample envy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This phenomenon occurs naturally, following a similar pattern: the hotter she is, the stiffer I get. My stiffness test sample is significantly bigger than 30x2mm too. PWNT!

    The stiffness testing follows a similar pattern also: by applying some rhythmic force accompanied by background music and doing certain physically demanding tests whilst viewing the results in the mirror. Laser lights bouncing off the mirror were optional extras and not required.

    The stiffness results from the properties of the bare' tit' pieces. As the material cools, its structure changes, causing its volume to expand, again, significantly.

    I could go on about the force transmission possible but, I do not wish to brag.

  24. how in the by dosle · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How is this possible?! Diamond is the toughest metal known to man!

  25. New material? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the perfect material for a penile implant.

  26. Because it's a crummy site. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And a crummy magazine. It's the National Enquirer of science, only less reputable.

  27. But what I really want to know is... by Corossus · · Score: 1

    can I get some of this with three month's salary and still feel underwhelmed?

  28. There is a molecule harder than diamond by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

    Isn't there a carbon nanotube type molecule that's tougher than diamond? I've read about it but I forget the name of it.

      Then again it's all just carbon anyway.

      Ah ha! Found it... http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7926

    1. Re:There is a molecule harder than diamond by jd · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Wikipedia article on aggregated diamond nanorods is a little more helpful. However, there is a non-carbon material harder than diamond (ultrahard fullerine). What we seem to be seeing is that exotic materials form at the real extremes of pressure and/or temperature - that remain stable at normal atmospheric pressures and temperatures. We also know that crystals form very differently under extreme changes in pressure and/or temperature. This discovery isn't particularly earth-shattering in and of itself. What is interesting is that material science is continuing to evolve in the most unexpected of directions, with those involved being rather more creative in their research than has been typical in other disciplines.

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    2. Re:There is a molecule harder than diamond by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      >However, there is a non-carbon material harder than diamond (ultrahard fullerine)

      Did you mean "non-diamond"? It's still a carbon based material, C60 polymerized.

      Carbon. Is there anything it can't do?

    3. Re:There is a molecule harder than diamond by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Carbon. Is there anything it can't do?
      Satisfy your thirst.
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    4. Re:There is a molecule harder than diamond by jd · · Score: 1

      Ha! Then you explain why carbonated drinks are so popular! :)

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  29. Uh oh... by tsotha · · Score: 1

    "I suppooooose it could be a bit of pre-animate matter caught in a matrix..."

  30. Yeah, I've got something stiffer than diamond... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIGHT HERE!

  31. I guess then by sokoban · · Score: 1

    Tin Barium Titanate is forever? (at a very specific temperature)

    Is it also a girl's best friend?

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    1. Re:I guess then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it also a girl's best friend?

      Does it vibrate at that special temperature?

  32. Re:Copy/Paste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry... Scrolled right past it.... (:

  33. New tagline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ceramic barium titanate alloy is forever.

  34. Re:Yeah, I've got something stiffer than diamond.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIGHT HERE!

    Jesus Christ! The punchline to that joke is "in my pants"

    If you're going to take the time to make a mockery out of modern scientific developments at least take the time to get the joke right.

  35. Stiffer and Tougher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a distinct difference in materials science between toughness and stiffness.

  36. Can we please get this right? by Bored+Huge+Krill · · Score: 1

    Article title says material is "tougher" than diamond. Article actually says material is "stiffer" than diamond. That's a completely different material property. Can we please get stuff like that right?

  37. The big breakthrough was achieved when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Natalie Portman walked into the room and stripped down.

  38. Finally! by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

    Finally! A material that can challenge ... Iron Man!

    Or not. :)

  39. Not software, I hope? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't a dupe of the "Why software is hard" article, is it?

  40. What??!! by Derek+Loev · · Score: 0, Redundant

    They've obviously never felt Chuck Norris's biceps before.

    1. Re:What??!! by evanbd · · Score: 1

      Well duh. They're still alive, aren't they?

  41. To space we go by Trindle · · Score: 1

    Time for that space elevator.

    1. Re:To space we go by Cimon+Avaro · · Score: 1

      GMTA, that was my first thought too. But realistically, given that it is very heavy, and has to be kept at a constant temperature, I would say it could only usefully be used for the very lowest part of the space elevator. And that is assuming it can be economically manufactured to such a scale that it would be an affordable megastructure material.

      IMO, much more interesting would be if it could be used to reduce sway of skyscrapers or even enable scaling up to arcologies. Those both applications would have a much lesser premium on lightness of construction materials, and generally allow easier control of temperature of the structures. The downside for using this for those purposes is of course that causing such a megastructure to crumple like a house of cards might be as easy as warming or cooling (by accident or intentionally) the supporting framework by a few degrees at the right time (during natural stress from wind for instance) and at the right (critical) places.

      Thus ideally it would not be a vital part of maintaining structural integrity, but only reducing discomfort to the inhabitants (from sway induced by winds and or seismic activity) and continuous stress to the support structure due to the sway, and likely the underlying structure would have to be designed to be resistant to the extreme stresses for a reasonable time even without the assistance of the added stiffening the material could impart. Basically a "belts and braces" approach.

  42. useful? by zoltamatron · · Score: 1

    I'll bet that giving one of these will not get anyone laid though

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    1. Re:useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you have to give out diamonds to get laid?

  43. Zonked! by dbIII · · Score: 1
    It's not that easy but it should be looked up before putting an incorrect headline up - stiffness, toughness and strength are different things.

    Stiffness is how much something flexes when you apply force (or pressure which is force per unit area). If it can bend back again this gets called the modulus of elasticity. If you plot pressure against the amount the thing changes shape you get a line for a lot of materials to start with - and the slope of this line is the modulus of elasticity - if you let it go at any point on the line it will spring back into it's original shape. If you keep on applying pressure eventually it will bend out of shape permanantly and later break, and the pressure where this happens is the strength. If you want to work out how tough something is that will be the amount of energy it can absorb before it breaks - if you plot pressure (stress) against the amount it deforms (strain) and take the area under the curve you get that energy. Stuff that stretches a lot before it breaks is tough unless it has a really low strength - and high strength stuff that doesn't stretch much (like glass) is not tough.

  44. So when..... by Spookticus · · Score: 1

    so when will transparent aluminum be invented? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparent_aluminum

  45. Oh god... by spankey51 · · Score: 1

    "The piece outlines the development of a new substance reported to be stiffer than diamond." Let the Penis jokes commence!!!

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  46. "tougher" than diamond isn't saying much. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Diamond is the hardest material known, but many other materials have higher tensile strength, elasicity, etc. You can shatter a diamond pretty easily, which is why diamond cutters have to be so well-trained.

    -jcr

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  47. 4chan is down by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    (last time I checked)

    so what else is new.

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  48. Geeks intelligent? by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    How much intelligence does it take to bite off the head of live chickens at marketplaces?

    Both geek and nerd have been used as negative labels for socially awkward people, and both geek and nerd have been partly retaken by the "socially awkward people" as positive labels for people with a lot of knowledge outside mainstream (or what used to be mainstream) interest.

  49. No, hardest known material is Acetylene Polyyne by Wills · · Score: 1

    Diamond, whether natural or synthetic, is not the hardest known material. Aggregated diamond nanorods are 1.11 times harder than diamond, as discussed here in 2005. And Acetylene polyyne is 40 times harder than diamond. See here

  50. Not really. Here's how it works (sort of) by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Barium titanate is a structure called a spinel. It has oxygen ions packed in a face-centred cubic structure, with the barium and Titanium ions stuck on the holes between. Above a certain temperature, spinels are cubic. however, at lower temperatures, the structure can reduce its energy by breaking symmetry and squashing a bit down one of the cubic axes, becoming orthorhombic. This compression is not huge, but it is a lot bigger than the typical stretchings you get due to thermal expansion or mechanical stress.

    Stick the spinel structure into a tin matrix and cool it. If you are ingenious about your choice of tin matrix, then the stress on the tin can actually get the spinel to change its shape in a way that opposes the bending, rather than going with it as you might expect. Tin is funny stuff - it also has a change in crystal structure on cooling from cubic to hexagonal (though at a much lower temperature) so I guess it is somehow squeezing the spinel in some anisotropic fashion and triggering the phase change.

    This is ingenious stuff but it isn't really a high stiffness in the normal sense, any more then the compound pendulums you can somtimes find in grandfather clocks have a very low thermal expansion coefficient. Those have brass and steel rods which all have expansion coefficients, but they are put together in a way that makes the stotal expansion zero. Supposing you had a piezo crystal, with attached electronics that applied a voltage causing it to resist any force put upon it. You could make this infinitely stiff depending on your level of control, or even have it push pack on what is pressing on it.

    So, back to your original question. It is heavy, and it only demonstrates the stiffness over a limited range. Bulk material stiffness is not usually important - you can make stiff structures like a cage of tubes by design. However, if you wanted to make some structure appear perfectly stiff, then some active control like the hypothetical piezo stuff I described earlier would probably be lighter and better. I would love to know what this ingenious stuff is for, but I don't think it is for space.

    1. Re:Not really. Here's how it works (sort of) by permawired · · Score: 0

      orthorhombic

      After reading that I pictured a roomba dentist...

  51. I have relatives by Centurix · · Score: 1

    From the west end of London. My dad said my uncle was a real diamond, he was well 'ard. His wife was pretty tough, although described as a gem in the rough. And his dad was an undertaker, so he was pretty stiff sometimes.

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    1. Re:I have relatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean the East End.

      The West End of London (Leicester Square, Picadilly, Soho, etc) is the equivalent of Broadway, I suppose: lots and lots of theatres. Also, lots of laughably overpriced bars and gift shops to completely mug the tourists who go there.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_End_of_London

      OTOH, cockneys and "proper Londoners", which I guess you were trying to suggest with "well 'ard", are traditionally associated with the East End.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_End_of_London

  52. Oh great . . . by auctoris · · Score: 1

    How long before the porn featuring Barry Titanate?

  53. Stiffer? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    That doesnt mean its stronger..

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  54. A good guideline then becomes by photomic · · Score: 1

    2^10 months salary . . . . ?

  55. RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's stiffness at a resonance node.
    Diamond if pretty fscking stiff across the spectrum up to the half GHz or so where it's been measured.
    Quartz is pretty fscking stiff but it's orientation dependent.

    This stuff is basically a preloaded spring with damping such that the antiresonance of one material(the stiffer springier material) corresponds to the resonance of another(the spherical tin dampeners). The tin spheres absorb maximum energy in a small frequency range that corresponds to the small range around what would be a perfect antiresonance.

    Or you might think in terms of a matrix of high and low Q materials with conjugate mean free paths.

  56. Ok, but... by the.house · · Score: 1

    does it blend?

  57. Know what would really be hard? by mtec · · Score: 1

    Trying to get sex after giving your girl a 'ceramic barium titanate and white-hot molten tin' engagement ring.

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  58. real world utility by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    there might be real world utility, if they can get around the temp probl, in resonant sensors.
    that is, there are a lot of sensors where you measure the deflection of a small cantilever; in these sensors, stiffness is an important measure of quality.

    having said that, this article is typical of hundreds of such articles published each year; look at the amer chem soc journal nanoletters. of these hundreds of new materials, perhaps 1 or 2 might be practical for something

    but that is the academics role - to find new things that may or may not be practical

  59. Toughness... by TerranFury · · Score: 2, Informative

    True... and "toughness" is not the same as "stiffness" either. "Toughness" refers to a material's resistance to failure by fatigue (whereas "stiffness" is, as you said, resistance to bending -- Young's Modulus). They are clearly not the same thing, as there are plenty of brittle materials which are stiff yet fail quickly in fatigue.

    On a related subject, do you ever wince when somebody on TV refers to something that can push harder as being more "powerful?" Or who talks about some kind of battery having more "power" than another when they clearly mean "energy?" I understand that these words are commonly confused in everyday use, but -- if you're putting together a supposedly-educational show, for the love-of-god get it right; even if your viewers don't appreciate the subtlely, choosing words like "velocity" or "energy" when appropriate aren't going to confuse them!

    To science writers everywhere: I know, I'm not perfect either -- but could you please refrain from running your fingernails across my mental chalkboard?

  60. My "(equal 'hard 'tough) => nil" story by 2901 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I needed an Allen Key in a small size that I didn't have.

    I took a nail and filed one end to make a hexagon of the correct size.

    I bent it to the traditional L shape. Nails are "tough as nails" so it bent without breaking.

    I attempted to undo the socket cap screw. The edges of my hexagon got squished. Nails are "hard as nails"? Wood thinks so, but socket cap screws are unimpressed.

    Plan B: file a hexagon on the end of a piece of "silver" steel. Heat to cherry red on gas stove. Quench. Bake at gas mark 9 for twenty minutes to anneal. Use on socket cap screw. Success!

    If "hard" is what you need, "hard" is what you have to get, "tough" will not unscrew it.

  61. Xmen or Superman by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is it as hard (obviously not as large) as Lois's excited Superman prick? Yep, that's right Sup is a pussy-whipped man in tights.

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  62. And even that... by IdahoEv · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... doesn't mean it's tougher than diamond. Any mechanical engineer will remind you that strength, stiffness, and toughness are three different properties. IIRC my materials engineering class 15 years ago, they are approximately:

    strength: maximum load before failure

    stiffness: resistance to deformation

    toughness: tendency to avoid reduction in strength over time in the face of repeated deformation

    also:

    hardness: ability to resist permanent deformation, particularly vs. small surface insults like scratches and indentations.

    Diamond is very strong, very stiff, and very hard but it is definitely not tough: large blocks of the stuff are fairly brittle and tend to crack and chip. In fact extremely stiff materials are often not tough because they are brittle. OP has a very screwed-up title.

    From TFA, we have no idea whether or not this new material is either strong or tough or hard: only that it is extremely stiff. (cue tasteless jokes)

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    1. Re:And even that... by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      (cue tasteless jokes)

      Well, there was that one line in the article about rhythmic force.... ;-)

    2. Re:And even that... by lordmatthias215 · · Score: 1

      (insert tasteless joke). you're welcome.

    3. Re:And even that... by florescent_beige · · Score: 2, Informative

      Toughness has both a qualitive and quantitive meaning. As someone mentioned before, it can be thought of as the amount of energy (the area under the stress-strain curve) required to fail the material. As a general rule, materials in the same class show an inverse relationship between strength and toughness.

      It also has a quantitative definition that relates to crack sensitivity. Fracture toughness has a specific definition that relates to the strength of the stress singularity at a crack tip required to make the crack propogate unstably (i.e. break.)

      The magnitude of the stress singularity is called the stress intensity K and its units are ksi*inches^.5 (MPa*m^.5). It varies with the applied stress and the geometry and size of the crack.

      Stress intensity is the whole basis of fracture mechanics, which is a fairly new discipline only understood since about the 1950's. If you know the fracture toughness of a material you can calculate how big a crack any given thing made out of that material can withstand under a given load. Thats why planes are safe, they are designed to withstand cracks that can be easily found during inspection. Pressure vessels are designed to stand big enough cracks that they will start to leak before then burst so the problem becomes evident before they go boom. This kind of analysis is called damage tolerance.

      It's also used to predict how fast cracks will grow under cyclic load. By testing you can develop the so called da/dN vs delta K curves that let u predict how long, for example, and airplane can fly before a crack that can't be found by inspection grows to a size that can be found. That tells you how often you should go look.

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    4. Re:And even that... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      only that it is extremely stiff. (cue tasteless jokes)

      Meanwhile, Pfizer has expressed interest in commercializing the new material.

  63. Mohs' scale now goes to 11 by camg188 · · Score: 1

    Well, it's one harder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be hardest at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your hardness. Where can you go from there? Where?

    /geology goes Spinal Tap

  64. Harder than diamond... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I can't hear the utter bullshit above anymore: There is already a material harder than diamond known. It's Bornitrid aka Borazon. Its crystal structure is the same as diamond, and it has a Mohs' hardness of 11. (It also has a more common alternate crytsal structure same a graphit, thus it's really a diamond variant.)

    Diamond is just the hardest NATURAL material.

  65. Give me a $2 hammer.... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    Parent is completely right. Once again stupid headline writers fuck up.

    Hardness, toughness, stiffness are all different. Gimme a $2 claw hammer and your wife etc's $2000 diamond ring and I'll soon show you which is tougher.

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  66. heh heh heh ... it said rhythmic force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA:

    "Rhythmic force

    An electromagnet was used to exert a rhythmic force on the material one hundred times per second."

    Yeah, and I'll show you something even stiffer if you apply a rhythmic force at only 5 times per second ...

  67. going for no taste by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 0, Troll

    Your mother makes me stiffer, tougher and harder than diamond (the hardest known metal).

  68. Yeah, but... by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

    ...diamonds are forever. This thing has how much time to catch up on?

  69. Great for bullet and anti tank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This material sound like a great stuff for anti-tank and anti-aircraft bullets, or
    anti personel with bullet proof vest.

  70. Re:My "(equal 'hard 'tough) = nil" story by aXis100 · · Score: 1

    Nails arent tough, they're usually mild steel. The very fact that they can bend with out breaking indicates that it's quite ductile.

    By adding extra alloying agents (usually more carbon), you get a stifer material, but it will fracture instead of bending.

  71. Stiff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Stiffer than diamond...causing its volume to expand

    We've all been there, I think.

  72. puns abound by DreadSpoon · · Score: 1

    So all your need is some titanate to get stiffer?

    Didn't we already know that?

  73. Cue Scientist/Engineer Joke by Phil06 · · Score: 1

    The scientist says diamonds are created due to great pressure

    The engineer says all it takes to create diamonds is a little suction

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  74. I dub thee...Diagra! by ProRockstars.com · · Score: 1

    Will this help me hammer a 6 inch spike through a board with my penis? ...

  75. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  76. Crumple Zones by dexter+riley · · Score: 3, Funny

    My old Geo Metro had three crumple zones! Between the front and rear bumpers, between the left and right doors, and between the roof and tires.

  77. The article posting is misleading by tacocat · · Score: 1

    Stiffer, as reported, has nothing to do with tougher or harder.

    Diamond is not a very tough material. Tough, in metallurgical terms, identified the total amount of energy required to break a bar of material. Diamond is to brittle that once a crack is initiated, it's propogation is hard to stop. So there's not a lot of engergy required to break diamond.

    Stiff has to do with a measure of deflection of a mean under a torsional load. This again is not something diamond excels at.

    Diamond is known for it's hardness, which is the amount of energy required to make a dent, to put it simply. Are they all related? somewhat. But if unless you want an indept discussion of crystalline structures, bond energies and the like just take it for granted that stiff, hard, and tough are not all equal statements.

    There's nothing that significant about a material that is more stiff than diamond.

  78. I don't really care if it is tougher by OricAtmos48K · · Score: 0

    Does it have blood on it ?

  79. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it. The main thing about diamond that it's so well known for isn't its resistance to bending, but it's hardness (for all of you who slept through geology and similar classes, this is basically measured by how easily it can be scratched, and at the last time I heard anything about it, the only thing that can scratch diamong is diamong.) A lot of people seem to keep confusing hardness with strength -- for example, glass is harder than fingernails, but fingernails can bend a lot farther before they break. In fact, diamond, much like glass, is fairly brittle as well. IMO it's not really much to be proud of to have created a material that is less brittle than a fairly brittle material -- after all, we've had things like lead for thousands of years now, and that's certainly less brittle than diamond. However, it does sound like this one is pretty good at bending, so I guess the real question is, just what does it beat? I don't see it replacing diamond in anything (unless it's very transparent -- a heck of a lot more so than the image linked to in the article would appear, and even then it couldn't replace things like diamond cutters) but I do wonder if it may have uses in things like perhaps something like shock absorption.

  80. Scrith by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    It is strong enough that we can finally build a Ringworld?

  81. I doubt it by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1
    ...combined the ceramic barium titanate and white-hot molten tin with an ultrasonic probe.

    I doubt they did that - they'd end up with a ceramic- and tin-coated ultrasonic probe. I bet they meant to say, "..combined the ceramic barium titanate and white-hot molten tin using an ultrasonic probe."

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  82. Barium Titanate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...also great for really powerful capacitors!