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Microsoft Patches 19 Flaws, 6 in Vista

Cheesy Balogna writes "Microsoft has just released seven advisories — all rated critical — with patches for at least 19 vulnerabilities affecting the Windows operating system, the widely deployed Office productivity suite and the dominant Internet Explorer browser. Six of the 19 vulnerabilities affect Windows Vista. 'There are patches for 7 different vulnerabilities that could lead to code execution attacks against Word, Excel and Office. Users of Microsoft Exchange are also urged to pay attention to one of the critical bulletins, which cover 4 different flaws. A cumulative IE update addresses six potentially dangerous bugs. There are the six that apply to IE 7 on Windows Vista. The last bulletin in this month's batch apples to CAPICOM (Cryptographic API Component Object Model) and could also put users at risk of complete system hijack attacks.'"

307 comments

  1. Most secure windows ever! by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hm...I guess they leveraged the active synergies to stop the probes but the active hardening failed on the SuperHyperVista3000 edition.

    Oh wait, you did expect real security instead of buzzwords?

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    1. Re:Most secure windows ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Actually I expect a bunch of monday morning quarterbacking from a horde of slashdot users who should be working. Ah, the day after patch tuesday.

    2. Re:Most secure windows ever! by BrewedInTexas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually I expect a bunch of monday morning quarterbacking from a horde of slashdot users who should be working. Ah, the day after patch tuesday.
      You've got some serious issues with the days of the week.
    3. Re:Most secure windows ever! by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 0, Troll

      i sort of expected some anonymous pussy to post something inflammatory, too.

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    4. Re:Most secure windows ever! by ez76 · · Score: 1

      i sort of expected some low ID blowhard to start a karma-be-damned dick-swinging cascade in response to the anonymous pussy

    5. Re:Most secure windows ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i sort of expected some low ID blowhard to start a karma-be-damned dick-swinging cascade in response to the anonymous pussy You've been here too long.
    6. Re:Most secure windows ever! by secPM_MS · · Score: 1
      Well, actually it does appear that Vista and the 2007 applications have considerably fewer security issues than earlier releases. As I count the issues, Office 2007 had 2 important issues, Office 2003 had 6, a factor of 3 improvement. Exchange2007 had 1 critical and 1 important, Exchange 2003 had 1 critical and 2 importants. Vista had 2 criticals and 2 importants, while XP SP2 had 4 criticals and 1 important. This is a significant improvement and Microsoft's claims do appear to be substantiated.

      It would be better not to have security issues at all, but Microsoft is behaving responsibly in patching regularily. Note that not all of the issues patched had been publically disclosed. The patch data on OS X and the *nix distro's is worse. Microsoft tries to release on a monthly schedule to minimize the impact upon its user base. Microsoft's enterprise users do NOT want a continuing stream of patches being released, but want them packaged at a regular schedule so that they can be planned for.

      How many distro's continue to support 5 year old releases? Apple doesn't provide security patches for OS versions that are more than 2 point releases old -- you have to go and buy a newer copy of the OS for another $150 to get support. On the *BSD or *nix front, I don't see much active support for older releases for end users. With Microsoft, I have to install a service pack every 2 years or so, but I get active support for security issues for at least 6 years and frequently longer without having to pay for maintenance (and yes I know about the early termination of Win 9X / ME. This was an anomoly due to the fact that the 9X platform did not have the security infrastructure to support modern requirements. It couldn't really be patched.)

    7. Re:Most secure windows ever! by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      I like having anonymous pussy. Don't you?

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    8. Re:Most secure windows ever! by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

      good one user number 322080.

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    9. Re:Most secure windows ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, like my prison mate used to say, "if the shoe fits, 4 large cocks can wear it out". We'll be looking out for you tonight. T-bone hasn't nigger fucked a slashdotter in a long time. He's ready.

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    10. Re:Most secure windows ever! by tuba_dude · · Score: 1

      Well, you are what you eat, right? I know I am!

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    11. Re:Most secure windows ever! by Aliriza · · Score: 1

      Waiting for the vista service pack 2 It'll be more secure then. Lol

  2. Linux patches? by stevenbdjr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When are we going to start seeing regular Slashdot postings outlining Linux or other free software security patch releases in the same accusatory tone that the monthly Microsoft security bulletin releases bring? No, I'm not trolling, but I'm getting sick of the clear bias Slashdot editors (and most readers) have when it comes to matters of Microsoft.

    (I can feel my karma slipping away, but I couldn't take it anymore).

    1. Re:Linux patches? by Brad_sk · · Score: 0

      Can't agree more!!!

    2. Re:Linux patches? by varmittang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We do, its usually for Firefox bugs, because that is Linux to the rest of the world. But then comes the trolls that point out that it was fixed in a matter of hours and not weeks or months.

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    3. Re:Linux patches? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the linux kernel people would ignore vulnerabilities, downplay them, take months for them to produce a fix, merge distinct vulnerabilities into single advisories and finally try to claim improved security, then I'd guess I would want to see stories about it on slashdot. So what bias?

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    4. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of regular postings outlining security patches for other operating systems, how about we just stop with the Windows ones?

      I mean hell, this isn't productive news in any sense. Anyone who needs to be aware of MS security patches isn't going to find out about them on Slashdot of all places (or at least they shouldn't if they are competent).

    5. Re:Linux patches? by *weasel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably when they gain a practical monopoly on desktop computing, begin heavily abusing their users and illegally wielding their market control against the rest of the industry.

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    6. Re:Linux patches? by snoyberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, Slashdot is biased against Microsoft. If you're looking for unbiased news stories, you've come to the wrong place.

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    7. Re:Linux patches? by Reivec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is this an "accusatory tone"? Looks to me to just be stating the fact that there are some major security patches released that windows users should know about. Microsoft would WANT this information to be spread around so that people patch up and have fewer problems thus relating fewer poor experiences to a Windows problem.

      Perhaps you are showing your own bias?

    8. Re:Linux patches? by Tribbin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wrong place buddy, no-one will hear you; go cry somewhere else.

      It's like going to the Catholic church saying: Why don't you tell me everytime anybody is proven the absence of God?!

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    9. Re:Linux patches? by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      I guess you'll have to wait till the first major Linux virus/worm/phishing etc. outbreak.
      As long as M$ is so much more vulnerable and targetable you will always perceive a kind of bias.
      To your dismay, even if Linux will have a bigger market share, it won't get that much attention from malware creators, because first the technically savvy or at least more aware users will take the leap. Lazy and/or ignorant people are the best target. And I still didn't talk about the big differences between OS security :) I use both systems, but i will never dare to use email in Windows.

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    10. Re:Linux patches? by QuickFox · · Score: 4, Funny

      But then comes the trolls that point out that it was fixed in a matter of hours and not weeks or months. Don't blame it on the trolls, they only report it here. It's the open-source developers' fault. Why can't they wait for some time and give Microsoft a chance?
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    11. Re:Linux patches? by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have listed my fondest dream: To be part of an abusive monopoly that replaced the abusive monopoly that I hated when I was a young college student....*sigh*

    12. Re:Linux patches? by EvilRyry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not really trolling if its true (which it often is). Then there's also the differences in how each group determines whats a vunerability. Fedora Core for example patches many security issues (and they get counted as such) even when they don't really effect the distro due to things like ExecShield.

    13. Re:Linux patches? by SnowZero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a myth that Slashdot has almost all Linux users. It used to be that way, but it has long since been overrun with a more "general computing" crowd. I would bet that if you add up the regular Windows and Mac users, it would outnumber regular Linux users. For UIDs below 100k however, you would probably see a quite different statistic. People only notice Linux users here because we're not at 1-2%, like on almost any other discussion site.

      Frankly, I'm now getting tired of the number of posts with the same tone as yours. You lament losing Karma in a sea of angry "Linux-zealot" mods, but I would guess you will be modded up, not down. Enjoy the karma...

    14. Re:Linux patches? by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 0

      The bias is the accusatory tone of the summary (and in this case the article itself). If you don't like the way Microsoft handles bug fixes then fine, write an article about how much it sucks and submit it so that it is clearly shown as an opinion peice.

      But if someone submits something which is supposedly just news of security fixes being released then that should be neutral. If it's relevant let the reader know when the security issues became known, but let the reader reach their own conclusions on whether Microsoft took too long or did something underhanded. That's the problem with /. right now, everything submitted is drenched in someone's partisan opinion, there's no distinction between news (remember, this is supposed to be a news site) and opinion peices.

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    15. Re:Linux patches? by just_another_sean · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I see the recent batch of articles about MS patches as a response to the release of Vista. MS decided that the heavily enhanced security in Vista was worthy of a ton of press so I think it's fair that /. or any other tech site keep track of the validity of these claims, especially in the begining while MS's statements concerning Vista security are still fresh.

      Although I do believe that MS made some good improvements to security in Vista it would seem that it's actual performance falls short of their claims. My bias comes from a real desire for security. As an IT guy who administers Windows and Linux boxes I'm interested in stories concerning both. But I think it's fair to state that MS's track record on security warrants a lot more security then Linux.

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    16. Re:Linux patches? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the linux kernel people would ignore vulnerabilities, downplay them, take months for them to produce a fix, merge distinct vulnerabilities into single advisories and finally try to claim improved security, then I'd guess I would want to see stories about it on slashdot. So what bias?

      Right there in the first sentences of that quote, that bias. Those are released patches, not "downplayed patches" or "ignored vulnerabilities". Those are actual fixes, released on a monthly basis.

      If Microsoft would ignore it, we get "microsoft ignores it!" article on Slashdot. If they release a patch, we get "omg critical patch for Windows" article on Slashdot.

      It's ridiculous.

      Also how about claims of security and bending truth, just like you prove it yourself, Linux fanboys twist the truth about Linux far more often than Microsoft does with Windows. Anything goes.

    17. Re:Linux patches? by 8127972 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You must be new here.

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    18. Re:Linux patches? by brunascle · · Score: 1

      The bias is the accusatory tone of the summary
      what part of the summary sounds accusatory to you? didnt RTFA, so cant comment, but to me the summary sounds very objective.
    19. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I thought these type of stories were here to advise people of updates, but I guess not then.

    20. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who made up the top 25 list? Not someone who is number 26 or below.

    21. Re:Linux patches? by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 1

      So basically what you're saying is that it's purely because the /. submissions that get through are provided by people who are angry or bitter about Microsoft's position. Illegal monopolies and wielding market control have nothing to do with security fixes but because of the submitter's or the poster's personal feelings about Microsoft it's just fine to make it into an attack?

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    22. Re:Linux patches? by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure it's so much of a bias towards Microsoft so much as it is that German word that everybody learned from the Simpsons. I'm a XP user but I take a bit of German word from Microsoft having to put security patches on an OS they touted as a security power house. In a more reasonable world I'd like to be able to track a series of articles that go from 'Vista security flaws patched' to 'Vista officially abandoned, Microsoft releases service pack 3 for XP' That's just me though.

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    23. Re:Linux patches? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right there in the first sentences of that quote, that bias. Those are released patches, not "downplayed patches" or "ignored vulnerabilities". Those are actual fixes, released on a monthly basis.

      Microsoft has frequently been caught knowing about a bug for months before a patch is released.

      When they get caught they claim they're doing QA, but past experience with Microsoft patches suggests that they are doing no valuable testing anyway.

      If they had ever demonstrated trustworthiness, they might be trusted a bit. As it is, they have demonstrated time and again that they will fuck you over and lie about it.

      If you appreciate the way Microsoft treats you, then you are free to sing their praises. But it doesn't make you right.

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    24. Re:Linux patches? by Magneon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with this is that Linux patches generally happen individually as soon as the problem is discovered. This way your favorite distro can check on the individual components and alert you to the fact that there are updates. Microsoft on the other hand likes to release a bunch of patches at once, leaving the user vulnerable for a period of hours, days and sometimes weeks.

      So no, we don't see 100 preemptive individual patch stories for various linux builds on here every day.

    25. Re:Linux patches? by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      I really saw this as a non news/MS bash bit too but in reality, when MS releases a patch, it's a "Well about time" whereas the Linux camp will find a flaw and fix it immediately which is really a non-news item.

      I guess we can walk away with it's patch Tuesday and they're releasing patches. Good for them.

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    26. Re:Linux patches? by TommydCat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I didn't read anything accusatory or noted a demeaning tone in the summary. I think many here bring their own bias ready to start an argument (either for or against). To me, the summary is just stating that patches are now available, they are labelled "critical", and the users of this site may be interested as many of them own, use or deal with Microsoft operating systems on a daily basis.

      What conclusion is the summary supposedly spoon-feeding me?

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    27. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Schadenfreude? Learned that from Avenue Q myself...

    28. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simply stating facts does not make for an accusation. What wrong-doing by Microsoft is being implied the summary, or even the TFA? Sounds to me that you're just Microsoft fanboi or shill trying to deflect the embarrassing fact that Microsoft makes extremely insecure software.

      BTW, that last sentence is an example of an accusation. I just accused you of being biased commenter and liar. Idiot. (oops, I did it again!)

    29. Re:Linux patches? by VW · · Score: 1

      I don't see a pro-Microsoft bias; there are plenty of Apple software updates/patched that make it through. I think what you're really seeing is the Slashdot anti-Linux bias.

    30. Re:Linux patches? by Grendel70 · · Score: 0

      Couldn't agree with you more. Every time there is an article posted about a Microsoft product, the inevitable flood of postings slagging the company soon follows. While I am not a huge fan of Microsoft, there is a definite tendency to demonize them in these forums. I made a comment to this effect in another article and was immediately moderated as flamebait. Nope, no prejudice here.

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    31. Re:Linux patches? by vboulytchev · · Score: 1

      at least we dont use buzzwords :)

    32. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As soon as people start actually using Linux, of course.

    33. Re:Linux patches? by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

      linux must be flawless then huh? If they're patching it so fast and fixing everything immediately, what is left to fix?

      So linux has no defered bugs? hmmm

      I doubt that.

    34. Re:Linux patches? by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

      While it's not exactly a security problem (if you don't count self inflicted DOS attacks) but the continuing lack of a linux sky2 ethernet driver that doesn't lock up sets the bar pretty low.

      But ultimately, you have to decide. Are you going to compare a transmission to a car? Or are you going to compare a car to a car?

    35. Re:Linux patches? by abigor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Slashdot is CmdrTaco's blog site. It is biased by its very nature. It makes no claims to objectivity or to be a "true" news site. To put it another way, it's an opinion site by design.

    36. Re:Linux patches? by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because everyone hear just *loves* microsoft.

      *See's sarcasm detector explode*

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    37. Re:Linux patches? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

      Could you pretty please point me to the line(s) in the writeup where the author takes an "accusatory tone"?

      Maybe I'm just fucking illiterate, or maybe you're just fucking retarded and trolling for karma points, but I don't see it.

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    38. Re:Linux patches? by aegisalpha · · Score: 1

      I've noticed this as well. "I'm saying something pro-Microsoft on Slashdot! MY KARMA IS BURNING!"

      Most of the time they're modded up if they actually have a point.

    39. Re:Linux patches? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft has frequently been caught knowing about a bug for months before a patch is released.

      When they get caught they claim they're doing QA, but past experience with Microsoft patches suggests that they are doing no valuable testing anyway.

      If they had ever demonstrated trustworthiness, they might be trusted a bit. As it is, they have demonstrated time and again that they will fuck you over and lie about it.

      If you appreciate the way Microsoft treats you, then you are free to sing their praises. But it doesn't make you right.


      That's what pisses me off with fanboys: they don't get context at all. For them any article with "Microsoft" in it, is a reason enough to recycle the entire 30 years of Microsoft faults in a single post. Over and over.

      Let's see what's the event at case: regular monthly patches for Windows. That's it.

      I, and some other people just asked for objective opinions: there's no "ignored vulnerability" or "delayed responce" in THIS ONE CASE. There is NO reason to regurgitate past faults of Microsoft every single month, when completely predictably, the patches are released.

      But all of those are treated as an excuse for doing just that.

      So you response is that "I'm singing praises for Microsoft". There's basically no way to argue with you guys. Keep living in your imaginary world, I hope you're happy there.

    40. Re:Linux patches? by Ngarrang · · Score: 1

      When are we going to start seeing regular Slashdot postings outlining Linux or other free software security patch releases in the same accusatory tone that the monthly Microsoft security bulletin releases bring? No, I'm not trolling, but I'm getting sick of the clear bias Slashdot editors (and most readers) have when it comes to matters of Microsoft.

      (I can feel my karma slipping away, but I couldn't take it anymore).

      What? You thought that if you saved enough karma you could trade it in for a night with CowboyNeal or CmdrTaco? *grin* Even karma whores have to give up a few points occasionally.

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    41. Re:Linux patches? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

      There's a bit of a difference between "the driver for this USB implementation sometimes crashes the box" and "there's a giant, gaping security hole in every release of this operating system".

      If you're going to make straw-man arguments, you really ought to try harder.

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    42. Re:Linux patches? by QuickFox · · Score: 4, Funny

      While it's not exactly a security problem What makes you think it's not about security? If the ethernet driver locks up nobody can hack you.
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    43. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Microsoft has frequently been caught knowing about a bug [... snip drivel ...] past experience with Microsoft patches suggests that they are doing no valuable testing anyway [... snip drivel ...] they have demonstrated time and again that they will fuck you over and lie about it.


      Stop for a second, and ask yourself: "why on earth I just recited my whole Microsoft bashing repertoire in response to a mere boring monthly patch release".

      Think about it hard, and then consider again who's the ridiculous one in this discussion.
    44. Re:Linux patches? by PixieDust · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I invite you to investigate this site which holds no immediate bias in it's reporting of security advisories, patches, problems and exploits. Look at the average turnaround time for patches, fixes, and responses to security problems. You will find out that Microsoft isn't as bad as everyone likes to pretend it is, nor is it's flagship Windows OS. Also to, I find it ironic that whenever someone points out a problem that affects Linux, people are like "But that's not the OS, it's (insert kernel module, driver, app, whatever) that is (insert special circumstance here).", but when it's Microsoft, they're all lumped together as "OMGz! Windoze h4x!". This includes vulnerabilities in Word, and Excel (and something else from the Office Suite, can't remember though atm), and additionally mentions Exchange. Exchange runs on a server platform, but ok, I'm not going to get into semantics on that (I assume they meant Outlook, though even if it was Exchange, it's still a fix, or at least an attempt at one).

      I am the first to admit that Microsoft has problems with security, but it's a problem that plagues the entire industry. Linux, Unix, Windows, Mac, websites, forms, applications, EVERYTHING. It's a problem in how the industry approaches security. It goes far beyond Microsoft. The entire industry has this "Get it working now, patch it later" mentality. It's the "Default Allow" instead of "Default Deny" approach. There is NO reason Buffer Overflow attacks should work... EVER. Period. How hard is it to check your buffers, and make sure you're handling them properly? Very sloppy. Microsoft certainly isn't the best, but they're far from the worst. Don't believe me? Check that website, and all the security advisories for the past few years, and you will notice and interesting trend.

    45. Re:Linux patches? by Vexorian · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I read the summary:

      "Microsoft has just released seven advisories -- all rated critical -- with patches for at least 19 vulnerabilities affecting the Windows operating system, the widely deployed Office productivity suite and the dominant Internet Explorer browser. Six of the 19 vulnerabilities affect Windows Vista. 'There are patches for 7 different vulnerabilities that could lead to code execution attacks against Word, Excel and Office. Users of Microsoft Exchange are also urged to pay attention to one of the critical bulletins, which cover 4 different flaws. A cumulative IE update addresses six potentially dangerous bugs. There are the six that apply to IE 7 on Windows Vista. The last bulletin in this month's batch apples to CAPICOM (Cryptographic API Component Object Model) and could also put users at risk of complete system hijack attacks.
      I guess:

      Market leader Microsoft cares about security, and have fixed 19 security flaws proving that their software is always up to the fight against wholes and demonstrating that Vista is a medium that fights security in revolutionary ways.
      Would have been less of that accusatory tone you are talking about.
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    46. Re:Linux patches? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
      When Linux has 90+% of the worldwide PC installations, then I suspect we will see a similar bias against Linux.

      Until then, Microsoft has completely abdicated its responsibility of providing a secure operating system, and should be routinely called to task for that.

    47. Re:Linux patches? by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      Funny people here post the opposite view on Apple (as in why the hell is every security update Apple does news?)

      Very simple.

      1) There are a number of Linux distros out there that would make it so that every single day we could have 5 security updates between Microsoft, Apple, and name your flavor OS (god that sounds like a ice cream sunday)

      2) The issue people have with Microsoft is the time it takes them to patch things that are known about in advance. For Apple its the piss in the mac users cereal because 5 of us stupidly think that OS X is invulnerable. So they become prime targets.

      3) And lastly because generally people DONT like Microsoft's attitude, just like they dont like Apples too.

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    48. Re:Linux patches? by Thabenksta · · Score: 1

      Good Question.

      I for one felt good when I woke up this morning and windows update had automatically patched my Vista machine.

      The general tone that Vista seems to get is, "Hey, Vista sucks cause it's insecure. Oh wait, they're trying to make it more secure, that sucks too. Windows Sucks!"

      The UAC whining is particularly annoying. People say Windows is unstable because users are stupid enough to really think that email they just got has Naked Pictures of Britney Spears! So Microsoft attempts to make it better by trying to prevent people from INSTALLING malicious code on their computer, and that's stupid too. Not only that, but people are whining about Cancel/Allow when Ubuntu does the same thing, but actually requires you to input a password. And on top of that, when you bring that up, people say Microsoft is just doing another thing Linux has been doing for years!

      It's all stupid narrow-minded hypocrisy.

      I personally believe that the increasing amount of FUD being posted about MS here at slashdot is just a response to MS finally looking like they're getting their act together again.

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    49. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Summary: Everyone who disagrees with you is a "fanboy".

    50. Re:Linux patches? by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 1, Interesting

      OK maybe this one doesn't have an accusatory tone as such but it's pretty clearly written by someone with an agenda. If you read the article you'll see more of what I mean.

      - The first line of that is misleading. It should read "19 vulnerabilities affecting either the Windows operating system, the widely deployed Office productivity suite or the dominant Internet Explorer browser". What's been written is probably grammatically acceptable but it leads the reader to believe that the 19 vulnerabilities affect all of those programs. They do not.

      - The unnecessary use of "widely deployed [...] productivity suite" and "the dominant [..] browser"? Why add that in there if it's not to try and make a statement? They don't add anything of relevance or meaning so why have it? The article is about security advisories and is posted on ZDNet/Slashdot, does the article writer/submitter think that anyone reading this won't know what MS Office and Internet Explorer are?

      - "A cumulative IE update addresses six potentially dangerous bugs. There are the six that apply to IE 7 on Windows Vista.
      Well that doesn't read very well at all, but it could be taken as talking about 6 or 12 bugs. There are 6.

      - "The last bulletin in this month's batch apples to CAPICOM (Cryptographic API Component Object Model) and could also put users at risk of complete system hijack attacks."
      "Complete system hijack attacks"? I'm sorry did I walk into a Hollywood movie? It's a remote code execution flaw. Serious for sure, but this isn't being submitted to The Sun. Slashdot and ZDNet are technical sites, stick to the terminology and leave the dramatisations out of it.

      Maybe I've read too much into it. Maybe the article writer just didn't write it very well (the summary is lifted straight from the article). Perhaps if I hadn't read the article I would've been less likely to question the submitter/authors intent. Once you've read the article I think it seems a lot clearer though, but again perhaps that's just me being over-sensitive after reading the last bunch of anti-MS zealots in the "IE dev criticises bank site security" article. Whatever the case of this particular article, I think you'd be hard pressed to deny that most /. submitters and posters have a very tough double-standard applied to Microsoft which they wouldn't think of applying to certain other companies and software products. And of course even pointing this out means I'm immediately labelled as a "Microsoft fanboy" by AC trolls and probably before long I'll be modded down for flamebaiting. It's a shame that a majority of the user base on a site which has a large number of presumably pretty intelligent people is so consumed by bitterness/anger/resentment towards Microsoft that they outright refuse to be objective in anything relating to them.

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    51. Re:Linux patches? by brouski · · Score: 1

      Did you ever notice how the posts complaining about an anti-Microsoft bias and claiming to piss away karma usually end up +5?

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    52. Re:Linux patches? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That's what pisses me off with fanboys: they don't get context at all. For them any article with "Microsoft" in it, is a reason enough to recycle the entire 30 years of Microsoft faults in a single post. Over and over.

      Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.

      Microsoft has always behaved poorly, and continues to behave poorly.

      Let's see what's the event at case: regular monthly patches for Windows. That's it.

      Yes, they are regular monthly patches. That means that they are withholding completed patches until the chosen day comes.

      With Linux, you can install patches immediately if there is a need, or later once they have had some good testing if there is not an immediate need. With Microsoft, you may install them when they say you may install them.

      There is NO reason to regurgitate past faults of Microsoft every single month, when completely predictably, the patches are released. But all of those are treated as an excuse for doing just that.

      The fact that you cannot imagine a valid reason to reexamine Microsoft's faults on a regular basis does not mean that there is not one. Rather, it indicates that you lack imagination. That's okay, most people's imagination was trampled on by the public education system, so there are plenty of other people just like you for you to try to impress.

      However, many of us here do not suffer from your fate, and you will not impress us.

      So you response is that "I'm singing praises for Microsoft". There's basically no way to argue with you guys. Keep living in your imaginary world, I hope you're happy there.

      In my imaginary world, I have an airlock to push you out of.

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    53. Re:Linux patches? by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      There isn't any.

      He's just an idiot trying to get his comment modded up. And it worked. Good for him! Yeah, I'm trying to get my comment modded up. Because taking Microsoft's side is the sure way to karma heaven right? And getting modded 100% overrated is my oh-so-blatant karma-whoring "working".

      And I'm the idiot?
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    54. Re:Linux patches? by Brad_sk · · Score: 0

      >Probably when they gain a practical monopoly on desktop computing

      Yea right...First let Linux gain a respectable market share, then we can think of monopoly. Its been years and I don't see Linux gaining more that few percent share in any near future in its current pathetic state w.r.t common man usability.

    55. Re:Linux patches? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      We'll see that when Linux developers start marketing to people that they have "the most secure version of Linux yet" and that people should spend hundreds of dollars on a new version, and if they spend a couple of grand on a new PC to run it, even better.

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    56. Re:Linux patches? by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 1

      Ahh. My personal troll is back. Just a hint, don't use the same childish misspelling of "fanboi" if you don't want me to know it's you.

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    57. Re:Linux patches? by *weasel · · Score: 1

      Absolutely.

      When the bully gets sucker-punched, it's hardly surprising that the victims would delight in it. Particularly just after the bully went through a nauseating round of marketing himself as the strongest and the toughest.

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    58. Re:Linux patches? by tknd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Frankly, I'm now getting tired of the number of posts with the same tone as yours. You lament losing Karma in a sea of angry "Linux-zealot" mods, but I would guess you will be modded up, not down.

      But that's the problem. Had he not posted in that type of tone, he might not have gotten modded up. I've seen many good posts defending Microsoft products without flaming the opposition yet when they hit the 4 or 5 moderation marks, people keep trying to mod them down.

      I'm sure even if you removed all of the modded up Funny posts (which often are stabs at MS but cloaked with humor) I'm sure you'd see a clear anti-MS bias in moderation. That is, you're more likely to get modded up if you choose to post anti-MS comments.

      People here are also quick to mod up any frustration with MS products even when they're just flames, yet when you see the comments about frustrations for Apple or Linux, you often get responses to the person having frustrations showing good light for Apple/Linux/etc modded up, not the parent frustration.

    59. Re:Linux patches? by Khaed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Almost no one who says "watch my karma burn" or "go ahead, mod me down" actually gets moderated down. It's like some weird reverse psychology thing. At least, this is true if they make a valid point in another way. Despite what all the whiners would like to think, you don't often get moderated down for saying things the moderators don't like. Unless you say them like an idiot, or a troll, or they have less than zero to do with the thread. I've been moderated down overrated/offtopic before and felt it was moderator bias, but it's not very common. (Once, I was moderated down a single time on exactly five posts and feel someone with a grudge just went thread-to-thread moderating me down.)

      Moderators are normal users who happen to get mod points. And there are a ton of pro-MS people, or neutral-MS, just like there are anti-MS people here. It strikes me as serious victimitis when people complain that they're going to get moderated down beforehand -- bitch after the moderation is done, not before.

      Go ahead, moderate me down as offtopic/overrated. ;)

    60. Re:Linux patches? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      This isn't "bias." This is a tech news site reporting about something that huge numbers of tech workers are spending huge amounts of time dealing with.

      Patch Tuesday is an event which has effects felt throughout the IT world. Few other security-related events have such an impact.

      If you are looking for statistical analysis of security flaws, don't do it by reading Slashdot headlines.

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    61. Re:Linux patches? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      It's a myth that Slashdot has almost all Linux users Agreed.

      It used to be that way, but it has long since been overrun with a more "general computing" crowd. I would bet that if you add up the regular Windows and Mac users, it would outnumber regular Linux users Disagreed. I don't recall it ever being that way. I remember long, long ago reading that most (> 70%) of the hits on /. were coming from Microsoft Windows boxes.

      For UIDs below 100k however, you would probably see a quite different statistic. Maybe, but I don't think it matters that much.

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    62. Re:Linux patches? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, they are regular monthly patches. That means that they are withholding completed patches until the chosen day comes.

      Microsoft used to release as and when. They got slated on Slashdot for it.

      Microsoft then rolled patches into a monthly patch. They got slated on Slashdot for it.

      Microsoft released some important patches outside of the monthly cycle since they switched to it. They got slated on Slashdot for it.

      Yeah, theres no pattern there at all.

      With Linux, you can install patches immediately if there is a need, or later once they have had some good testing if there is not an immediate need. With Microsoft, you may install them when they say you may install them.

      So, I can install a patch when its been released or later on if I decide ... in either of your cases? Wow, thats some industrial strength spin you have there!
    63. Re:Linux patches? by metallic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think they call that RHEL 5.

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    64. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use the sk98lin driver instead of sky2, if sky2 doesn't work for you.

    65. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With all fairness, your comment was rated Insightful when I responded earlier, but it appears that has dropped off (mod left a comment?).

    66. Re:Linux patches? by jafiwam · · Score: 0, Troll

      I know. It sucks people are always criticizing the father of the master race the great leader Adolf Hitler when they have already done that it's time to move on and talk about the good gun control measures and schooling for kids he had.

      There, I just Goodwined your whinny little branch of this thread. Now go away. This is the wrong site for your complaints such as yours. Go spend your time whitewashing the rest of the republican agenda on Digg or something.

    67. Re:Linux patches? by rajafarian · · Score: 1

      That's the problem with /. right now, everything submitted is drenched in someone's partisan opinion, there's no distinction between news (remember, this is supposed to be a news site) and opinion peices.

      I was going to say, are you gnew here but then I saw your Slashdot ID number... it has seven digits! All I have to say is, "Don't hold your breath for that to change." Actually, I, and others here, too, like it that way.

    68. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't they wait for some time and give Microsoft a chance? Because then they would even more bored!
    69. Re:Linux patches? by vboulytchev · · Score: 1

      maybe we also accept responsibilities, unlike others... http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/468057

    70. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just don't get tired of being an idiot, do you? For one thing, I ain't nobody's personal troll. That you think I'm one not only solidifies my belief that you are an idiot, but you're also paranoid one at that. You wrote a silly comment, exposing your own bias, and I flamed you for it. Nothing more to it than that.

      Secondly, "fanboi" or "fanboy" is a slang term, so there is no proper spelling of the word. Here, look and get a clue:

      fanboi:
      fanboy:

      Plus, here's a Wikipedia article:
      Fanboy

    71. Re:Linux patches? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Every 2.6.x release is posted on Slashdot. These fix security bugs as well most of the time. Think harder next time.

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    72. Re:Linux patches? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So, I can install a patch when its been released or later on if I decide ... in either of your cases? Wow, thats some industrial strength spin you have there!

      That's not what I was saying at all, and you're making a disingenuous statement to support specious argument.

      What I was saying that with Linux you can install a patch when it is ready (because this is when it is released) whereas in Windows NT you must install the patch after it is ready (because some of those patches have been ready for a significant period of time before release.)

      If your reading comprehension skills are this poor, you probably think people are being idiots all the time simply because you don't understand what you're reading.

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    73. Re:Linux patches? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Microsoft used to release as and when. They got slated on Slashdot for it. O RLY? Let's see some actual references rather than bullshit. Lazy sysadmins slated Microsoft over the "release patches when they're ready". Also, I believe it has something to do with CYA: "it's Microsoft's fault, not mine! It's not Patch Tuesday yet, so there's nothing I could have done about that security hole!" Which is of course bullshit, but PHBs like bullshit.

      Microsoft released some important patches outside of the monthly cycle since they switched to it. They got slated on Slashdot for it. You mean that one time where they released an immediate fix for their broken Windows Media DRM? I can understand why they were slated; if Microsoft thinks that pleasing the MAFIAA is more important than fixing critical 0-day bugs that are affecting millions of users worldwide, then they deserve the hearty "fuck you" they received.
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    74. Re:Linux patches? by trifish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The sole problem is, and the OP rightfully criticized it, was that Slashdot never posts articles like "10 security flaws in Linux patched". Everytime Windows is patched, there's an article. Occassionally this is true for OS X. That's the point. Still seeno bias? C'mon it's Slashdot and we know how it goes here.

    75. Re:Linux patches? by heffrey · · Score: 1

      I guess the point is that such posts concerning Linux never make it as stories here.

      I think the accusation of bias against Windows and in favour of Linux is hard to deny. Not that it won't stop folk trying.

      I imagine that's the end of my karma too....

    76. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It used to be that way, but it has long since been overrun with a more "general computing" crowd. I would bet that if you add up the regular Windows and Mac users, it would outnumber regular Linux users Disagreed. I don't recall it ever being that way. I remember long, long ago reading that most (> 70%) of the hits on /. were coming from Microsoft Windows boxes.

      Ah - but that is further complicated by firewalls. This post is being made on a Linux laptop but it will be munged by a Windows firewall before it gets to Slashdot and will appear to have come from a Windows machine.

    77. Re:Linux patches? by darkwhite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is not simply insufficient attention by developers, and buffer overflow bugs can sometimes be very non-trivial. The big, ubiquitous lapse in security these days is the lack of sandboxing. Why are applications not sandboxed properly? Why, despite the full availability of the security framework to do it, are desktop applications allowed by default to read and write anywhere in the user's home directory, registry, communicate with everything, display anything they want on the screen, use any peripherals and communicate on the network in any way short of running a server? That's what's not acceptable. An obscure vulnerability in a big application might be excusable if it crashes it and causes it to nuke its config files, but it's very inexcusable if it installs spyware that steals the user's data or craps all over the user's home directory.

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    78. Re:Linux patches? by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      When they have as many CRITICAL issues to software that is TIED DIRECTLY TO THE KERNEL. Most software developers realize that this is 'stoopid' with two O's. Having all of your applications talking together and passing information back and forth is like having the CIA openly talk about all of it's top secret files in your local Tully's or Starbucks for everyone to hear... you get the security you create and enforce.

      Microsoft was never meant to be secure, it was meant to be open and interactive and for all of the apps to be able to talk to each other and share info with each other. And to date they are still trying to find a way to do this without letting people KNOW that they are doing it. Other OS's like Linux and BSD were not created in such a fashion; Security is not a second class citizen. And that's probably why you don't see them getting raked over the coals.

      Sure Microsoft has started going through the motions but they are not addressing the underlying issues that actually make their products insecure by design and until then, they'll probably still continue to get raked over the coals.

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    79. Re:Linux patches? by SnowZero · · Score: 1

      It used to be that way, but it has long since been overrun with a more "general computing" crowd. I would bet that if you add up the regular Windows and Mac users, it would outnumber regular Linux users Disagreed. I don't recall it ever being that way. I remember long, long ago reading that most (> 70%) of the hits on /. were coming from Microsoft Windows boxes. Well, it seemed to me that Slashdot was a lot more Linux-centric in 1998/99. Then again, there were few posts to read on any given story, so it's hard to know for sure. I too remember a site statistic showing a large number of Windows users, which was the basis of the claim in my post. Wish I could find that story now...
    80. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I wanted unbiased news, I wouldn't read Slashdot. The anti Microsoft bias is part of what makes Slashdot well Slashdot. Love it or hate it, the place wouldn't be the same without it.

    81. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "install a patch when it is ready (because this is when it is released)"
      "install the patch after it is ready (because some of those patches have been ready for a significant period of time before release.)"

      You still need to clarify what you're saying there, because it still amounts to the same thing.

      Developers write the code to fix their patches, and they say they are done. Then it is "released" by them. It doesn't matter whether its Open Source or Microsoft, because it all depends on when -you- hear "its ready". You have no idea what the time difference was between when the developer said it was done, and when it was actually released.

      And then you have the choice to install it or not at your leisure. I think this argument of yours is weak at best in this instance.

    82. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can state any cases to the contrary then I won't just think you're upset that people are rightfully pointing out that Microsoft operating system software has so many critical flaws. I also wonder why someone who is unbiased would get so upset when people take a slightly accusatory tone against a monopoly responsible for a pitiful campaign of repression against standards and non-Microsoft products... hmmmmm. Well, congratulations on your continued astroturfing success!

    83. Re:Linux patches? by Brad_sk · · Score: 0

      Very good points...Can't agree with you more. Its always the case here in slashdot that when something is wrong with Linux, its just the fault of that distribution or even minor branch. But when it comes to MS products, its the total of all products and the entire company.

      But again, none of these matters. Unless Linux community admits that common user features (usabiluty, ease-of-use,...) are very important and fixes them (instead of bashing MS), Linux will not have more that 10% or market share ever.

    84. Re:Linux patches? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You have no idea what the time difference was between when the developer said it was done, and when it was actually released.

      In the OSS world, you have a great idea, because people tell you. And the update is generally released the moment it is done, because there is little to do other than dash off an update notice and issue a few commands to scripts which package the new build for you. At least, if you have things set up intelligently.

      Also, because bug reports tend to be Open in OSS projects, we also can find out positively how much time elapsed between initial notification and a fix. We can't see this in Microsoft, but in most cases in which the person who reported the bug has said anything about it, they've only mentioned it because a fix was months in coming. And I'm talking about security-related bugs here, not architectural modifications.

      We know a whole lot about OSS bugfixes. We know little about closed-source ones, because of the very process involved. But what we know is not encouraging.

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    85. Re:Linux patches? by PixieDust · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Agreed, which is pretty much the same thing I'm saying. The Buffer overflow bit was just an example. But you can see this everywhere. You see it in ACLs in firewalls, routers, and switches. You see it in applications that let everything just go willy nilly. You see it in default installations of some OSes. You see it in the installations of applications, in websites, email-clients, hell even games. And before you say "What could POSSIBLY happen in a game that could be a security threat?" Let me illustrate this example...

      Take a well known game, say, a first person shooter based in WW-II. Fairly good game, kinda fun. Let's say it's released witha BIG following, and several expansions are released for it. Now imagine, that since it's initial release, it has had a vulnerability just hiding, waiting to be discovered. It is discovered, by a couple of gamers just having fun. Say there's a voting system (for kicks, map change, etc.). Let's say people use this voting system all the time to talk to people who are still alive, because it displays the vote in yellow text to everyone. Some ingenious players discover that if your vote is for a map change, and you manually enter the command and name via console something like:

      callvote change_map "Shotgunner camping in the vent!!"

      It's been a while so forgive the syntax if it's wrong. In any case, these intrepid gamer friends are having fun, and annoying each other with vote requests that mean nothing, and just fill the screen with yellow text (repeating gibberish to flood the screen so the player can't see). Let's say during this, both game clients crash. Hmm, well that sucks. So you go back to having fun, the server is running on an actual server in the garage so it's no biggy. Same thing happens again. The clients just crash immediately after a vote is called that is an absurd length. Hmmmm.. You get another friend involved, they join, they also crash. Interesting. Then you crash 2 clients, and have the 3rd join immediately after to see people running in place, stuck in doors, etc. Server is still running just fine. Clients however, have crashed. Now intensely curious, you start digging, and find the exact point at which is goes from "Annoying Spam Vote" to Buffer Overflow.

      Now through various methods you discover that this vulnerability is definitely client specific. The server is totally unaffected. The server simply hands everything off to the clienhts, which don't know what to make of it, stuff is outside the buffer, client craps all over itself. Now someone malicious enough could take that, and create something that would quite literally be capable of hijacking any machine the game client was running on, and the only thing the user would notice MIGHT be a game crash (hell if you do it right you might be able to do it without the game itself crashing), which happens occasionally anyway, so it's ignored. Now let's say you notify the producer of this Entertainingly Amazing game, and exchange a few emails with them. 4 patches later it still isn't fixed. Several expansions later it still is not fixed.

      Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. And this happens throughout the industry. THAT is why security problems, are as much of a thorn in our side as they are.

      *flips two coins onto the table, returns the soapbox to it's upright and locked position, and returns to her regularly scheduled nonsense*

      /rant off

    86. Re:Linux patches? by Brad_sk · · Score: 0

      >Yes, they are regular monthly patches. That means that they are withholding completed patches until the chosen day comes.
      Thats because sys-admins want to install patches at a regular schedule and not as and when they become available. You know there are millions of windows machines out there unlike a handful of Linux m/cs...hmmm, I wonder why?

    87. Re:Linux patches? by sanityfeactory · · Score: 0

      Is Slashdot really news for geeks (or just news for a certain type of geek)? The funny thing is that M$ employs a whole bunch of geeks, many of which worked very hard to deliver the patching software that now comes as a standard (and free) service in any OS the company makes. Seemingly its easier to bandwagon for most no-talent hacks. I mean how many people actually build an OS let alone find and repair the flaws in a body of code that large?

    88. Re:Linux patches? by T23M · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Completely agreed. While I sometimes use - and have respect for - Linux, I use Vista at home. Aside from a few driver glitches (nVidia's 8800 ForceWare, which is their fault, not MS'), it works fine for day-to-day browsing/gaming/what-have-you.

      Unfortunately, when you're a college student among fellow geeks, word gets around that you not only USE Vista, but paid for and ENJOY it. This semester, I've had a couple of Linux fanboys (I hate using that word) railing me on what a bad OS Vista is.

      Invariably, they bring up how annoying UAC is...and they don't seem to make the connection that it's just. like. sudo. On the off chance that they DO, in comes the snipe about how MS stole the idea from Linux (and stole the idea of a pretty desktop from OSX).

      Maybe it's because we all said *random OS* was better than Windows because of those things? If you were in charge of the 800-pound gorilla, and the chimps next to him were getting too smart, wouldn't you teach him some new tricks?

      I'm probably rambling by this point, but regarding the story's bias...you've got to admit, "flaw" is significantly more loaded (and less accurate) than "vulnerability".

    89. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nazis......................

      Now... can this thread end. Slashdot as a group is pro-OSS and anti-Microsoft. There is no question about this. If you come here for your news, you live with that presupposition.

    90. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...I'm getting sick of the clear bias Slashdot editors (and most readers) have when it comes to matters of Microsoft."

      Ah, did someone call your baby ugly? Microsoft is the big, fat stingy kid at the playground who will only be your friend while you give him candy. And few like that kind of a person. So get over it.

    91. Re:Linux patches? by jmors · · Score: 1

      Not taking this from any "bias laden article" or slashdot post but from my own personal experience. Two years ago I replaced windows as the os on my wife's computer with ubuntu linux. She was hesitant at first but I was at a point where I had to reformat to clean her system up anyhow (again) and I assured her if she did not like it I could re-install windows easily enough. Around the same time we provided my mother in law with a slightly older windows machine for her to use for web browsing and email. Have there been security flaws reported against the linux kernel and applications since then? You bet! How much patching have i done? NONE! My wife's machine is still purring along, no spyware, malware, virii, no noticeable slowdown in performance, rarely rebooting (usually only because the power went out). Not a problem. Twice a month i need to make the trip to my mother-in-law's house to clean her system using spybot and adaware and make sure her virus scanner is up to date otherwise her machine becomes totally unusable. Her machine is setup to autoupdate with the patches from microsoft. Bias? Is there bias on this site? you bet! Why? Because the people on this site are aware that there ARE alternatives to microsoft crap! My wife now knows the difference, my mother-in-law? well for her it is the way things are with computers... When Microsoft comes up with an os that can stay connected to the internet for 2 years without being laden with so much crap as to become totally useless MAYBE i'll change my tune! Until then, take your whining elsewhere!

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    92. Re:Linux patches? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Just be happy there's no postings about how bad Microsoft Bob was. That used to pop up daily on this site, complaints about a product that was only sold a few months and discontinued a full decade ago. It was ridiculous.

      The real problem is that the hard-core Linux users don't use Windows, so they just assume everything that was wrong with Windows 95 is still wrong with Windows Vista.

    93. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry you are not allowed to sit on the fence. Choose sides or go down in a blaze of mods!

    94. Re:Linux patches? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Thankyou, you demonstrated my point precisely, twice.

    95. Re:Linux patches? by grcumb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When are we going to start seeing regular Slashdot postings outlining Linux or other free software security patch releases in the same accusatory tone that the monthly Microsoft security bulletin releases bring? No, I'm not trolling, but I'm getting sick of the clear bias Slashdot editors (and most readers) have when it comes to matters of Microsoft.

      No one's going to see this, and if they do it'll get modded down. But I'll feel better when I'm done.

      You, sir, are a liar.

      You complain about an accusatory tone, and when pressed to provide evidence, you admit that this advisory is actually perfectly neutral in its tone.

      It makes me sick to see this kind of perverse logic through which one's critical faculties can be so twisted that even to make observations of fact and to draw logical, rational conclusions from them (e.g. Microsoft's security sucks) is somehow morally wrong.

      Well I for one reserve the right to shit on whoever damn well deserves it. When Ubuntu releases a kernel patch that breaks an entire class of processor, or breaks X for a large number of their clients, I call them stupid. When Netscape broke the HTML standards and went cowboying around the Web with their 'Best Viewed With Netscape' logos, I shat on them as well. When WordPerfect made a perfect clusterfuck out of what was once the best piece of office software in the business, I castigated them for it, too.

      But no company in the history of computing has ever been so deserving of our derision as Microsoft. Their business practices have caused me headaches and lost hours beyond count. In 2003-4 I did a rough estimate of the amount of time I lost to virus/trojan/spyware infested desktops. It was between 30 and 40% of my time. I moved all my clients to non-Microsoft applications for anything that touched the Internet, and my support time devoted to malware dropped to between 5 and 10%.

      So when Microsoft releases 19 critical patches, do I consider it news? Damn straight. Am I inclined to be skeptical about these patches, to wonder what they're not telling me, what 'hidden treasures' might be included? Yes, and when I find that they disable my supported settings and re-enable that clusterfuck of a web browser IE for no good reason, do I get pissed off? Yes, I do.

      And now you want me to cut MS some slack, because of bias? Let me tell you something, sonny Jim: Microsoft has earned this bias the hard way. I worked professionally on MS OSes for 9 long years before I finally gave up on them. If you can't see the purpose of critical appraisal and rational reaction, if you simply want to sit around the IT campfire singing Kumbaya and be nice even when somebody shits in your food, go ahead. But you and your astroturfing colleagues can leave me the hell out of it.

      Working in IT is all about having a critical eye, and knowing when someone is trying to sell you code that more resembles a flaming bag of shit than anything else. It's obvious to me that you haven't yet mastered that art. So with all due respect, kindly sit down, shut up and learn to reason before you start shooting your mouth off again.

      HTH HAND.

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    96. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero Day Vulnerabilities (2005--2007):

      Internet Connection Sharing DoS, Severity: Medium, Days of Exposure: 193
      Microsoft Office 2003 PPT Local DoS, Severity: Medium, Days of Exposure: 209
      RPC Memory Exhaustion, Severity: Low, Days of Exposure: 539

      Microsoft DNS RPC Buffer Overflow, Severity: High, Patch Time: 31 days
      Windows .ANI Processing, Severity: High, Patch Time: 6 days
      Word Unspecified Exploit(4), Severity: Medium, Patch Time: 88 days
      Office Unspecified Exploit, Severity: High, Patch Time: 15 days
      Word Unspecified Exploit(3), Severity: High, Patch Time: 19 days
      Windows MessageBox / NtRaiseHardError, Severity: Medium, Patch Time: 116 days
      Word 12122006-djtest.doc, Severity: Critical, Patch Time: 67
      Word Unspecified Exploit(2), Severity: High, Patch Time: 65
      Word Unspecified Exploit, Severity: High, Patch Time: 70 days
      ASX Playlist, Severity: High, Patch Time: 20 days
      Windows GDI Local Privilege Escalation, Severity: Medium, Patch Time: 148 days
      XMLHTTP 4.0 ActiveX, Severity: High, Patch Time: 10 days
      ADODB.Connection ActiveX, Severity: High, Patch Time: 109 days
      PowerPoint Controlppt, Severity: High, Patch Time: 13 days
      IE VML, Severity: High, Patch Time: 7 days
      IE DAXCTLE.OCX KeyFrame, Severity: High, Patch Time: 62 days
      Word Mdropper, Severity: High, Patch Time: 39 days
      IE DAXCTLE.OCX Spline, Severity: High, Patch Time: 78 days
      WMI Object Broker ActiveX, Severity: High, Patch Time: 124 days
      Server NETAPI32, Severity: High, Patch Time: 0 days
      IE setSlice(), Severity: High, Patch Time: 84 days
      PowerPoint PPDropper, Severity: High, Patch Time: 27 days
      Excel nanika.xls, Severity: High, Patch Time: 118 days
      Word2003 Ginwui, Severity: High, Patch Time: 26 days
      IE createTextRange(), Severity: High, Patch Time: 20 days
      WMF Metafile, Severity: High, Patch Time: 9 days
      IE JAVAPRXY.DLL, Severity: High, Patch Time: 13 days
      IE window(), Severity: High, Patch Time: 196 days

      Other Vulnerabilities (2005--2007):

      Windows Vista CSRSS Dangling Process Pointer Privilege Escalation, Severity: Medium, Patch Time: 81 days
      Windows VDM Zero Page Race Condition Privilege Escalation, Severity: Medium, Patch Time: 119 days
      Workstation Service NetpManageIPCConnect Buffer Overflow, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 112 days
      Internet Explorer Compressed Content URL Heap Overflow Vulnerability #2, Severity: High, Patch Time: 19 days
      Internet Explorer Compressed Content URL Heap Overflow Vulnerability, Severity: High, Patch Time: 7 days
      Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator Denial of Service, Severity: Low (Denial of Service), Patch Time: 210 days
      Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator Heap Overflow, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 210 days
      Windows Media Player BMP Heap Overflow, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 120 days
      Windows Embedded Open Type (EOT) Font Heap Overflow Vulnerability, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 163 days
      Windows Kernel APC Data-Free Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability, Severity: Medium (Local Privilege Escalation to Kernel), Patch Time: 204 days
      Windows Metafile Multiple Heap Overflows, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 224 days
      Windows Metafile SetPalette Entries Heap Overflow Vulnerability (Graphics Rendering Engine Vulnerability), Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 68 days
      Vulnerability in DirectShow Could Allow Remote Code Execution, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 154 days
      Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator Memory Modification Vulnerability, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 95 days
      Windows UMPNPMGR wsprintfW Stack Buffer Overflow Vulnerability, Severity: High (Remote Code Execution), Patch Time: 69 days
      MDT2DD.DLL COM Object Uninitialized Heap Memory Vulnerability, Severity

    97. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sk98lin driver doesn't support the yukon2 chipset.

    98. Re:Linux patches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think part of the problem is that: 1) a lot of the "tech" articles show up late at /. and 2) there are more political articles here snd the crowd likes to whip up into a frenzy. Posts about global warming, evolution, the US government etc always draw a huge respone from the same zealots (mostly from the same political camp) while many genuinely interesting (but dated) tech articles are neglected.

    99. Re:Linux patches? by Ansoni-San · · Score: 1

      ummmm, slashdot is a place with many different people and different opinions where those people are allowed to submit articles. Are you saying that everyone on slashdot should have the same opinion?

      My guess is that the problem you percieve is that just because there's more articles against Microsoft than for them there is a bias. Well I submit to you, maybe there's just a lot more going against Microsoft than for them. So of course there will be a higher number of arcticles critical of Microsoft getting through.

      Another way to look at it is this. This particular article is probably not news to people who don't particularly dislike Microsoft. So you wouldn't submit an article. But to people who are fairly critical of Microsoft this could probably be thought of as news and (from the submitter and editor's POV) may spark an interesting discussion. If we apply this line of thinking to everything Microsoft does then everything good Microsoft does will get the majority of articles submitted in favour of Microsoft, everything bad has a majority of articles submitted against microsoft, and everything in-between spurs articles critical of Microsoft and none from people like yourself who don't even see it as news. That's more articles submitted against Microsoft right there

      Of course we could always just look at the obvious truth that dislike is a better motivational tool and is more likely to cause someone to submit an article. So it may seem like there is a bias when it's just something inherent to the system. So I think it is misleading for you to say "They got slated on Slashdot for it." as if slashdot is one entity with opinions coming from one source, or a traditional news organisation where the articles are from a select group of journalists.

      In my opinion those people who always go on about slashdot group think are the ones with a problem with their perception. Unable to accept that criticism will inherently prevail against anything or anyone less than above borderline. Unable to fix their flawed (albeit natural) perception of things as single entities. The fact that there are such heated discussions or discussions at all rules out groupthink. I don't think anyone would be here if there really was this group think as the discussions would not be as interesting. What I do see is common misconceptions and then the better informed who know better correcting the misinformed masses and fuelling productive discussions.

    100. Re:Linux patches? by Allador · · Score: 1

      Yes, they are regular monthly patches. That means that they are withholding completed patches until the chosen day comes. Thats a bit disingenuous.

      MS moved to the monthly patch cycle because the vast, vast majority of windows sysadmins preferred taking a bigger unit of patches once per month than a trickle of them continuously.

      In other words, they did this because thats what the overwhelming majority of their customers want.

    101. Re:Linux patches? by benjcurry · · Score: 1

      I'm a full-time Linux user, and I agree completely. Sure, MS isn't exactly angelic, but there is certainly a very specific tone that people take when they issue fixes.

    102. Re:Linux patches? by benjcurry · · Score: 1

      I agree, but it occurs to me that this is the classic example of a "Public Relations" issue. The masses might be more charitable towards MS if they had, at some point along the road, endeared themselves in any way.

      Linux, right or wrong, is still reaping the benefits of the goodwill fostered by being free and being the little guy.

      Honestly, can you really tell me that MS isn't getting what it deserves?

    103. Re:Linux patches? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      MS moved to the monthly patch cycle because the vast, vast majority of windows sysadmins preferred taking a bigger unit of patches once per month than a trickle of them continuously. In other words, they did this because thats what the overwhelming majority of their customers want.

      That is a specious argument because if you are managing NT with SUS or WTFever it's called now (Microsoft changes horses in mid-stream more than anyone) you can choose which updates are distributed when.

      The majority of their customers want less freedom as to when they install a patch? I call shenanigans.

      I mean, is it really possible that the majority of paid Windows NT sysadmins with enough licenses to make Microsoft care about what they have to say are so stupid that they don't know that they can install a patch as long after the release as they want?

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    104. Re:Linux patches? by Allador · · Score: 1
      Ignoring the vitriol here.

      Most windows admins (sadly) dont use tools like WSUS or SUS, SMS, etc. The general consensus is that this makes it easier on their lives. Mind you, I'm not making a value judgement on this observation, but it has been clearly and strongly what I've seen (and been reported in the media, and by MS).

      The majority of their customers want less freedom as to when they install a patch? I call shenanigans. The majority of their customers want patching to occupty as small a piece of their time as possible. This provides that, as it concentrates the patches into one lump per month (usually).

      I mean, is it really possible that the majority of paid Windows NT sysadmins with enough licenses to make Microsoft care about what they have to say are so stupid that they don't know that they can install a patch as long after the release as they want? Again, ignoring the nastiness and focusing on the content of what you said: Thats just not how they work. For the most part, most MS shops install the patches as soon as they are released. They have no desire or need to wait, they want to get their machines patched asap.

      Now mind you, many bigger shops have to go through change control boards, and scheduled downtime periods and such, but the once-per-month release is even more important for environments like that, as it consolidates the administrative overhead of downtime to once per month.
    105. Re:Linux patches? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The majority of their customers want patching to occupty as small a piece of their time as possible. This provides that, as it concentrates the patches into one lump per month (usually).

      No, it DOES NOT provide that.

      If the patches are being done automatically, then they're not involved anyway.

      if they're being done manually, all you have to do in order to get them in a lump per month is to install them at the same time every month. I don't know why this is so difficult for some people (like yourself) to grasp, but it's really a quite simple concept. If you don't want to install it yet, don't install it.

      Microsoft doesn't force you to install the patches on release day, so your argument is just fucking stupid. And you are stupid for suggesting it. Ignore my fucking vitriol now! You know why I write such nasty things? Because people are so fucking stupid.

      For the most part, most MS shops install the patches as soon as they are released. They have no desire or need to wait, they want to get their machines patched asap.

      And again, you have no fucking clue, do you? They DO have a NEED to wait, because Microsoft makes them wait. In the release-once-per-month model, you have been forced to wait for patches by Microsoft. In the release-when-ready model, you have the option to install them when they are released, or wait for some arbitrary day of the month that means nothing except that it was convenient to Microsoft.

      Don't ignore the nastiness. Learn from it. It's there to get attention - not for me, but for those who are willfully, spectacularly ignorant or being deliberately obtuse.

      the once-per-month release is even more important for environments like that, as it consolidates the administrative overhead of downtime to once per month.

      Then why not just do it once per month? Or would that make too much sense?

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    106. Re:Linux patches? by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that the hard-core Linux users don't use Windows, so they just assume everything that was wrong with Windows 95 is still wrong with Windows Vista.
      This is not an entirely mistaken point of view.

      Important issues, like vendor lock-in, security and stability have seen little progress in nearly a decade. In fact, it's pretty fair to say that all the big problems people had with win95, are, largely, still present. Vendor lock-in is actually far worse than before.
  3. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now Vista is perfect! Great, thanks for the good news.

  4. Steve's Fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs must have hacked CAPICON

  5. Changes Default Browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used Microsoft Update to download and install the new patches last night. Lo and behold, upon reboot, Mozilla Firefox was no longer my default browser. It appears one of the new patches resets Internet Explorer as the default browser. Easy enough to fix, but why would a patch change a system's default browser in the first place?

    1. Re:Changes Default Browser by Kandenshi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Happened to me as well, which was ... confusing.

      Then I adjusted my thinking to Microsoft's point of view and tried to figure it out.

      Now that IE7 is patched, it's much more secure than Firefox could ever be! Changing IE7 back to default is much like a firewall, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure eh? By trying to get us back using IE7 they're just trying to prevent all the malware from getting on our systems, much like most of the rest of the patches.

      It's a bit screwy, but that's the best rationalization I could come up with, anyone got a better one?

    2. Re:Changes Default Browser by just_another_sean · · Score: 1


      An attempt to lure people back to using it? "Oh look, the shiny, I forgot how cool the new IE looks. Why did my cousin tell me to use this Mozilla thing again? Oh well, I wonder if Joe updated his MySpace..."

      MS's response to this underhanded attempt? "Oh, well that was an oversight in the patching process, sorry won't happen again".
      </paranoid>

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    3. Re:Changes Default Browser by Reivec · · Score: 1

      My money would be that no one tested the patch on systems with firefox as as default so no one noticed the problem. As much as I don't like Microsoft I could see how this could have just been an honest mistake from a side effect of running some premade function during the patch that does several things, only one of which is setting the default flag.

    4. Re:Changes Default Browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true. You will also notice that Windows Media Player is now your default wav, mov, wmv, mp3, etc. player also.

    5. Re:Changes Default Browser by Kuciwalker · · Score: 0, Troll

      I suspect the parent is lying, since it didn't happen to me. I just checked and Firefox is still the default.

    6. Re:Changes Default Browser by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1

      Upon virtually every microsoft patch Firefox and Thunderbird require me to reset my default browser and e-mail client. My guess is that this is a simple security mechanism. Hooking into the startup of e-mail and web software would be a good place for a virus to hide... Then just startup the older software and life is good. It'd be a good place to hide malware startup that is outisde of the normal places that are checked for issues.

      Kirby

    7. Re:Changes Default Browser by aegisalpha · · Score: 1

      I haven't been home to patch my windows box yet, but I'd suspect it would have more to do with the possibility of malware setting the default browser to something else. Most firefox users are likely going to hit the icon they normally do, see the default browser pop-up and re-confirm.

      Or it simply wasn't tested on systems with firefox as was mentioned.

    8. Re:Changes Default Browser by eck011219 · · Score: 1

      I'm certainly not an expert on this kind of stuff (I'm a web designer), but it seems to me that it could be that the patching process requires that IE be run at some point during the process (perhaps in the background, but still technically in memory and so forth). Maybe after the patch, it has to run IE to confirm successful patching. And if another browser is the default, that can obviously cause problems.

      Dunno. Don't understand any of this stuff. Just thinking out loud. I doubt it's an accident, though. If it's not something technical like I'm suggesting, I would guess (as have others) that it's a tactic for user migration.

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    9. Re:Changes Default Browser by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 1

      Unless you use Winamp and have the 'Restore file associations at Winamp startup' option enabled...in yo' face, MS!

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    10. Re:Changes Default Browser by Thabenksta · · Score: 1

      Hmm, that didn't happen for me...

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    11. Re:Changes Default Browser by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      MS are hoping you won't notice, and thus convert you back to IE. They're probably all sitting there in Redmond right now with their fingers crossed, looking at Alexa browser statistics and saying "Oh God, did they notice? Was it too obvious?"

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    12. Re:Changes Default Browser by MiniMike · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that IE was not run during the patch process, as when I opened IE after the reboot, ZoneAlarm complained about the new binary version. If IE were run before that (during the installation), ZoneAlarm would have complained then (barring IE being run in some funky non-internet-accessing mode, which seems unlikely). This was on IE7.

    13. Re:Changes Default Browser by dlim · · Score: 1

      Be glad that was your only issue. I logged on after rebooting. Then my Vista Ultimate OS started churning away, running the CPU at 100% for the next 20 minutes. The task manager attributed most of it to Idle Processes. The only was to stop it was to hard reboot the machine. Upon reboot, the machine started operating normally again. Needless to say, I disabled automatic updates this morning.

    14. Re:Changes Default Browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Are you sure Firefox is not actually the browser?

      http://www.zoliblog.com/blog/_archives/2007/3/26/2 836828.html

    15. Re:Changes Default Browser by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Hey! I've got some GREAT beachfront property here in Oklahoma you may be interested in!

      You're either the most subtle comedian I've encountered, or the most naive person posting on this thread.

      Thanks for the good laugh- I needed it!

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    16. Re:Changes Default Browser by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      What annoyed me is that installing Half-Life 2, Episode 1 erased my favorite server list in CounterStrike.

      a lot more work than resetting a default browser, from a product that's been out for a long time.

    17. Re:Changes Default Browser by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Hmm, my default is (was?) Opera. I haven't logged on since the patch. When I get home, I'll have to see if it changed mine.

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    18. Re:Changes Default Browser by GlL · · Score: 1

      It happened to me too. It does not happen on every update for IE I run, this was the first time it happened to me.

      So, no the parent was not lying, and I won't mention the server 2003 these patches took out at one of my client's sites.
      I tell people and I tell people don't apply security patches from MS for 1 week. That is usually enough time to tell if they are breaking things. But do they listen to me ARRRRRRRRRRGH!

      Ah well, if my customers listened to my advice I wouldn't have any job security.

      Lovely flame war everyone, my marshmallows are toasted now so see you later.

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    19. Re:Changes Default Browser by ldj · · Score: 1

      And I suspect you're making off-the-cuff accusations based on your single data point. Based on what I see others posting, it appears that you must think there are a lot of liars posting today. ;)

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    20. Re:Changes Default Browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I suspect the parent is lying, since it didn't happen to me.
      > I just checked and Firefox is still the default.

      The update changed my default browser.
      After installing the update and rebooting, when I launched Firefox, I got the "Firefox is not your default browser" dialog.

    21. Re:Changes Default Browser by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Well, how about the obvious reason?

      Is this really confusing to you, or are you deliberatly trying to be obtuse?

    22. Re:Changes Default Browser by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      "sorry won't happen again"

      Every single month their spam filter update for Outlook sets Outlook to be my default browser in spite of Thunderbird. I don't think Microsoft is the least bit sorry.

    23. Re:Changes Default Browser by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

      but why would a patch change a system's default browser in the first place?

      Because it can?

  6. 20 critical Linux vulnaribilities in one month? by MarkByers · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If there were almost 20 critical vulnerabilities patched for Linux in one month, I think that would be pretty significant news too. The fact that it has never happened is more to do with the either the lack of market share of Linux, or else the bias of the programmers putting more errors into Windows than Linux. Either way, not Slashdot's fault.

    Nice +5 troll post though! I will probably save that one so I can use it when I feel like trolling. Hope you don't mind. :)

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  7. Lucky me by packetmon · · Score: 1

    I just did a yum remove Vista ... I'm going to Disney!

    1. Re:Lucky me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      disney is the best os!
      microsoft is silly
      linux has no nice horses or bunnies
      bsd has not magic kingdom or brooms of fantasia!

      disney for files! disney for user processes! disney for load balance on the server!

  8. Cumulative IE 7 update 34,70 MB?? by edgrale · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's up with the cumulative IE 7 update being 34,70 MB?
    It is bigger than the x64 bit version!

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    1. Re:Cumulative IE 7 update 34,70 MB?? by dreamlax · · Score: 1

      It's 34.7 MB because it says it's for IE7 but I bet secretly it is patching system files.

  9. Update also makes IE 7 the default browser by edgrale · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Uh...

    Did they even QA this thing? The size is huge and now it also stole the default browser setting.

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    1. Re:Update also makes IE 7 the default browser by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      Oh noes! That'll take a whole mouse click to fix.

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    2. Re:Update also makes IE 7 the default browser by anti-human+1 · · Score: 1

      The size is huge and now it also stole the default browser setting.

      Duh, it added support for 1997-era Browser Wars filetypes. Didn't all the installers back then turn their app to default?

    3. Re:Update also makes IE 7 the default browser by tokul · · Score: 1

      Did they even QA this thing?
      Are you sure that resetting was not main purpose of the patch? :)
    4. Re:Update also makes IE 7 the default browser by dcam · · Score: 1

      It does that for every update to IE. That is abuse of monopoly.

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    5. Re:Update also makes IE 7 the default browser by SEMW · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Update also makes IE 7 the default browser by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

      Did they even QA this thing? The size is huge and now it also stole the default browser setting.

      Of course they QA tested!!
      Changing your browser setting took months, and 5MB, to get right!

  10. 19? Ouch. by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Troll

    So, who's had there boxen killed by this round?

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    1. Re:19? Ouch. by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 1

      None thus far. March or April (I'm pretty sure it was March, but can't remember for sure) somehow screwballed our ESRI / ARCCad / GIS stuff. Another one from around that time killed Realtek High Definition Control Panel (onboard audio's little doodad in the taskbar) on some of our early '06 GigaByte boards, resulting in a lovely user-scaring error on every boot. Usually Windows Update doesn't screw anything up for us, but the last few...bleh. I guess we'll see.

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    2. Re:19? Ouch. by tsheriffk · · Score: 1

      actually, we did run into issues with the updates this morning. We had a number of computers that after the update, experienced 100% processor usage by svchost for around 10 minutes. If we let the computers sit it out, they came back to life after the wait. I would bet we werent the only business that ran into this, and it had a lot of frustrated users....

    3. Re:19? Ouch. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I installed the patches just before leaving for work this morning. I guess I'll find out when I get home if there were any problems.

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    4. Re:19? Ouch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How helpful to know that it was svchost, and not to know the service it was hosting...

  11. Is this even news? by anss123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MS throws out a bunch of patches every month, and have been at it for years. It must be a regular event by now, right?

  12. Apples? by codesurfer · · Score: 1

    The last bulletin in this month's batch apples to CAPICOM

    Is that some sort of dig?
    1. Re:Apples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! You totally did that wrong! You should have said:

          Is that some sort of digg?

      Another perfect opportunity blown...

      (well, at least something on /. is getting blown.)

  13. Cure the disease and lose the patient by CyberVenom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When Microsoft releases "critical" patches like this, one of the primary motivations for users, home and business alike to apply the patches is fear of loss of data if their computer falls victim to one of the new exploits. To "help" users keep their systems up to date, Microsoft has provided the Automatic Update tool. Formerly this tool would insistently prompt the user to reboot once updates had been installed. Recently, however, the tool has taken to rebooting computers of its own volition if it is unable to elicit a user response to its prompting within 5 minutes. What's the big deal? Well, lets say you have just typed up a nice email but want to add a couple more points to it before sending it off, but you have to walk away from the computer for a while. (coffee break, etc.) And when you come back 6 minutes later you find that Windows has terminated all your open programs, lost your email, rebooted, and is now happily chiding away to itself in a little speech bubble about some new updates having been installed. Well, that's fine - install your damn updates, but either do it without destroying my work or wait until I give you permission!
    (yes, I lost an email I was writing last night because of this and I'm still a bit sore...)

    1. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by Doctor+Crumb · · Score: 1

      Or let's say you're a developer whose machine is in the middle of a 16 hour build. Oops, better start over!

    2. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty simple to avoid. Just set the Automatic Updates to download automatically, but let you choose when to install.

    3. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by praxis · · Score: 1

      First off, why start over? Incremental builds solve that problem. As for the email, what email clients do not safe unsent messages when asked to close? As for unprompted reboots, they get prompted. When Vista installs a patch, it tells you, then you can tell it when to reboot, otherwise it does it at some odd hour, when you don't use your machine (or I don't anyhow). If I respond to the updates have been installed popup, I can tell it when to reboot, otherwise it does it at 4am when I am at home. If you are going to run a 16 hour build, you should be aware of your machine and manage it's updates manually. Or use a build server, and only do local incremental builds when writing code. There are plently of people out there that know how to apply patches when they are convenient, and keep their critical machines running when critical, all it takes is a little bit of savvy. And for those that are not, they are not doing 16 hour builds, and their email client saves their messages for them.

    4. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by UncleFluffy · · Score: 1

      (yes, I lost an email I was writing last night because of this and I'm still a bit sore...)

      Yes, it screwed up a drive rebuild here that had been running for about 20 hours before the reboot. There's an option "download but don't install until I tell you" that may stop this unpredictable rebooting.

      --

      What would Lemmy do?

    5. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      (yes, I lost an email I was writing last night because of this and I'm still a bit sore...)

      It's too bad you weren't paying attention during your installation, in which you were asked to configure automatic updates.

      It's further too bad that you didn't inspect your various settings, instead simply trusting the computer to automatically be configured to do precisely what you want it to.

      It's also too bad that you don't know how to use autosave, either.

      Perhaps if you learned how to use your computer, you'd have a better time with it.

      Don't feel too bad about this comment, the person who replied to you about having a build interrupted is the really big idiot. First, if you're using a decent make-type tool, you pick up where you left off. Second, if you're a developer, you'd better fucking know what you're doing. The casual user at least has an excuse.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by angryrobot · · Score: 1

      I do a weekly Drum and Bass radio show on kunninmindz.com. This "feature" decided to make itself known to me a couple of weeks back when it wanted to reboot the machine in the middle of my radio show. My setup has the computer in the other room from my DJ setup, so I was throwing up a few records then running into the other room to check on it every 10 minutes. Took me about an hour of this until it occurred to me I could temporarily turn off automatic updates.

      Really boneheaded design decision on their part!

    7. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by mstahl · · Score: 1

      Yet more reasons to love my OS X / Ubuntu setup I've got going on. The dialogue goes more like "Hey I've got these updates for you whenever you've got a second" rather than "YOU WILL INSTALL THIS NOW".

    8. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 1

      Trusting that your computer won't just go ahead and lose all your work if you pop out for a moment makes the user stupid? Sorry - no operating system should automatically reboot itself by default with no permission or special instruction from the user. I nearly lost work to this too. I had lots of stuff open, and this damn auto update dialog box tells me it's going to reboot my machine in 4 minutes... counting down... and no way to even cancel it. Here's a hint: it's not the users who are dumb in this situation, it's the cretinous idiots who wrote that system (with some blame aimed at their apologists too...)

      It's one of the reasons (but by no means the only reason) I switched to linux a year ago, and haven't looked back. Things are just... calmer, somehow. I feel like... it's my computer again. We certainly seem to inhabit different kinds of computing universe.

    9. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      How about using an email application that periodically saves your work?

      That concept is so new, I know.

      --
      -David
    10. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      So a "Drum and Bass" radio show goes off the air for 30 minutes.

      And the loss is to who?

      --
      Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
    11. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Trusting that your computer won't just go ahead and lose all your work if you pop out for a moment makes the user stupid? Sorry - no operating system should automatically reboot itself by default with no permission or special instruction from the user.

      During the OS install, you are specifically asked to configure automatic updates. Some of the service pack installs also ask you to do this.

      Automatic updates are a major feature of Windows these days. They do not hide from you the fact that they will reboot your system. Rebooting the system after updates are installed is necessary to maintain stability.

      If the user decides to just click away the dialog asking you to configure automatic updates (which many OEMs will leave for you) then that's their damage.

      I had lots of stuff open, and this damn auto update dialog box tells me it's going to reboot my machine in 4 minutes... counting down... and no way to even cancel it. Here's a hint: it's not the users who are dumb in this situation, it's the cretinous idiots who wrote that system (with some blame aimed at their apologists too...)

      I actually think it's both. The user is stupid. The developer is lame if you can't cancel. But then again, the user is ASKED if they want to use the feature at all, and how they would like it to behave. If they say "I don't care" (by clicking away the box without reading it) then they've forfeit their right to complain about how it behaves.

      It's one of the reasons (but by no means the only reason) I switched to linux a year ago, and haven't looked back. Things are just... calmer, somehow. I feel like... it's my computer again. We certainly seem to inhabit different kinds of computing universe.

      Yes yes, I run Linux too. I don't run Windows any more, except in a VM and that only for a small handful of programs - most of the Windows stuff I need runs under wine these days. I still believe that if you don't take the time to configure your system, then you have only yourself to blame.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    12. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by chr00t · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you need to learn how to use windows....You can change your auto update options via control panel....

    13. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      During the OS install, you are specifically asked to configure automatic updates. Some of the service pack installs also ask you to do this. [...] If the user decides to just click away the dialog asking you to configure automatic updates (which many OEMs will leave for you) then that's their damage.

      Hmmm.. like most people, windows was preinstalled on my machine. If enabling a feature can lose the vital work of the user, it should not be a default. Also, a clear warning of the consequences should be made. In actual fact, I intentionally enabled the automatic update and I still didn't know what I was letting myself in for. My bad, I guess, but I never thought for one moment that enabling it like this might just cause my machine to lose my work while I was sitting in front of it, never mind if I popped out for a coffee! It fails the principle of least surprise.

      I think that for most people, computers are tools, not objects of intrinsic interest in themselves. Any boring software (ie - stuff that should just work and not get in the user's way unless absolutely necessary) should do just that: just work. If can't just work, at the very least it should not endanger the user's work if at all possible.

      Funnily enough, the argument that linux is harder to configure than windows is often made, but in my recent experience, I have to tinker less with linux than I ever did with windows, and I feel much safer!

    14. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. like most people, windows was preinstalled on my machine. If enabling a feature can lose the vital work of the user, it should not be a default.

      That is not Microsoft's fault. It is the fault of your OEM, who chose to preconfigure that for you when they had no business doing so.

      Funnily enough, the argument that linux is harder to configure than windows is often made, but in my recent experience, I have to tinker less with linux than I ever did with windows, and I feel much safer!

      If everything works out of the box, then Linux is easier. Otherwise, Windows is usually easier. Asking users to do strange things at command lines is just not realistic. The entire driver model of Linux implies that this will continue in perpetuity.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    15. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I run Vista (with Linux, I like my CPU games) and I don't know what you're talking about "interruptions". When I get updates, it waits until I want to restart. Sure, it reminds me every freakin 10mins but it still won't just reboot unless you're away for a significant amount of time.

      In that event, turn off automatic updates and do it manually at your leisure.

    16. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by crabpeople · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's too bad you weren't paying attention during your installation, in which you were asked to configure automatic updates.
      The domain admin configured them.

      It's further too bad that you didn't inspect your various settings, instead simply trusting the computer to automatically be configured to do precisely what you want it to.
      Settings are locked down with group policy and hidden or unchangeable.

      It's also too bad that you don't know how to use autosave, either.
      Do you really want to have drafts around of all your mails doubbling space requirements? Moreover that, I just took a look at windows mail and maybe im missing something, but it seems to lack this wonderful autosave feature you are extolling.

      Perhaps if you learned how to use your computer, you'd have a better time with it.
      Go fuck yourself.

      Second, if you're a developer, you'd better fucking know what you're doing
      Well maybe thats how it works in your parents basement, but in the real world the developers don't go near operating system patches.

      --
      I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
    17. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by nawaman · · Score: 1

      How about MS learns how to set "no forcing me to reboot" as default instead of expecting the user to do it. Rebooting can be a very important dicision in some situation. Windows should not act on itsown on such a critical operation. I have lost my Matlab (neural network) computation on this just becuase I reformat computer and forgot to set that option. That's partly why I leave Windows.

    18. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 1

      True, it's not Microsoft's fault if an OEM configures the system that way. Except for the fact that in all other situations in the Windows world where a reboot is required, the completely standard method is to present a dialog box with a reboot button, so the user has time to deal with it. It's just common sense. Polite. Respectful. This dialog box had no buttons whatsoever, just a countdown to destruction - a completely daft system, IMHO.

      I agree that when things don't work out of the box, linux is harder to fix for people used to the Windows world. Granny won't go to the command line, as you say. Having said that,
      I've had my share of strange Windows problems that I could never resolve, with no way of determining the problem. Most people just live with them, and eventually buy a new box when it gets too irritating (on the grounds that the computer is old and broken). For me, a complete reinstall was the usual fix. So far, I've had no problem on linux I couldn't fix with a bit of googling and no reinstall, and I'm no linux expert.

      I also agree that drivers are still a greater problem for linux than windows, but not that it's the model that's the problem. Open source drivers work very well. Closed source ones also work very well, and there's no engineering reason I'm aware of why installing them cannot be made as simple as in windows. That seems mostly to be a problem of economics and market-share, rather than any fundamental ease-of-use difference between the linux and windows driver models.

    19. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Closed source ones also work very well, and there's no engineering reason I'm aware of why installing them cannot be made as simple as in windows. That seems mostly to be a problem of economics and market-share, rather than any fundamental ease-of-use difference between the linux and windows driver models.

      Linux doesn't provide for binary drivers. If you want a closed-source driver you must make an open-source stub that communicates with your binary BLOB. It's a PITA, and the driver interfaces in Linux have traditionally very much been moving targets...

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    20. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 1

      Linux doesn't provide for binary drivers. If you want a closed-source driver you must make an open-source stub that communicates with your binary BLOB. It's a PITA, and the driver interfaces in Linux have traditionally very much been moving targets...



      That I will completely concede. The kernel changes seem to come thick and fast... I suppose that as linux becomes more mainstream, there will be more pressure to keep things more stable.

    21. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by dreamer-of-rules · · Score: 1

      That is not Microsoft's fault. It is the fault of your OEM, who chose to preconfigure that for you when they had no business doing so.

      That's the lamest argument. There are three options: (1) Auto-install (recommended by Microsoft, by the way, reboots without saving open files), (2) Download without installing (not recommended by Microsoft), and (3) Don't even check for updates (really not recommended by Microsoft.. gives you a big Red Shield). Even though Microsoft prompts you on new installs, the "default" is still (1) most-secure/green, and not (2) kind-of-secure/yellow or (3) i'm-a-rebel/red.

      If you select the Download without updating option, the Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer flags the system as a "Potential Risk"-- the Microsoft way of saying "Tsk, tsk". Also, the system notifies you of updates by putting a little blue/green blob in the bottom right corner of the screen (oops, now a little yellow shield). Why aren't users notified of critical remotely-exploitable updates with, oh, an actual pop-up and/or sound? (not modal or pop-to-front, of course, which is pet-peeve #2)

      Microsoft made it their fault when they made the auto-reboot option, didn't highlight that it would cause data loss, and recommended it as the best and only secure option.

      The way system updates work in Windows is one of my biggest pet peeves as a Windows administrator, and one of my what-a-relief things about OS X.

      "Hey, let's install driver and kernel updates using the web browser!" -- Bill Gates

      --
      Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.
    22. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

      I've installed Windows dozen's of times, and have always had to manually configure that option. It wasn't an MS default.
      If it was preinstalled by your vendor, its your vendors fault.
      If it was the Domain Admin (as in another post), its the Ops folks' fault (or more likely their management's fault)

      The only way this becomes Microsoft's fault is if you extend fault to include the need to be patched in the first place. (Or having the ability to configure autoupdate in such a way that it doesn't bother 99% of folks out there)

      Note: I manage an environment with tens of thousands of Windows machines. Auto-update/install/reboot is turned on for most of them.

    23. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol!
      So you configure your email app to solve problems with the auto update?
      I love MS!

    24. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you select the Download without updating option, the Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer flags the system as a "Potential Risk"-- the Microsoft way of saying "Tsk, tsk".

      The day I worry about my computer's idea of propriety over my own is the day I hope someone shoots me in the fucking head, because I'm obviously already not using my brain.

      Also, the system notifies you of updates by putting a little blue/green blob in the bottom right corner of the screen (oops, now a little yellow shield). Why aren't users notified of critical remotely-exploitable updates with, oh, an actual pop-up and/or sound? (not modal or pop-to-front, of course, which is pet-peeve #2)

      Actually, a word balloon pops up saying that updates are ready for your computer. It's neither modal nor pop-to-front (it does appear in front of things, but it doesn't affect input.) You were saying?

      Microsoft made it their fault when they made the auto-reboot option, didn't highlight that it would cause data loss, and recommended it as the best and only secure option.

      Microsoft is not the one preventing people from thinking for themselves.

      If you turn off your brain, you deserve what you get. It's not like you have to be a computer expert to read and understand the options in the box.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    25. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by SonOfThor · · Score: 1

      You are mistaken. I set up my XP SP2 build to "download, but ask before installing" updates way back when I first installed the OS. A while back I was wondering why my computer apeared to have been rebooted while it was SUPPOSED TO BE busy downloading a game patch/update among other things. I logged in, and sure enough, I got a little mesage telling me that my computer was automatically rebooted and an update was instaleld! Well doesn't that just take the cake? I certainly didn't change any of my settings myself, as I was perfectly happy with installing and rebooting whenever _I_ felt like it. I suspect it was some other, previously installed update that was responsible for this new behaviour.. Now to figure out how to prevent this from EVER happening again. Note to MS: MY COMPUTER - NO TOUCHY!

    26. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by SonOfThor · · Score: 1

      I've begun using the voice of the comic book guy from the simpsons as my internal narrative voice for reading all of your posts, drinkypoo. It really rounds out the reading experience! I suggest everyone try it.

    27. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by dreamer-of-rules · · Score: 1

      The day I worry about my computer's idea of propriety over my own is the day I hope someone shoots me in the fucking head, because I'm obviously already not using my brain.

      Not everyone has the time you have to research and verify every system, registry, and application setting for security risks. Did you disable Fast Saves in Word the moment you installed it the first time? Did you modify the ACLs for the Windows folder? Disable remote registry access? Did you disable the Messenger service? Should you? Did you change the Macro Security levels in all the Office apps? Did you turn on DEP protection? What's the repercussions? Encrypt your files? Did you even think about it? Would you shoot your grandmother in the head when her computer gets infected with spyware? If you don't have the time to do the research, you have to trust the makers of the OS (someone) about the best ways to use their own damned product.

      Actually, a word balloon pops up saying that updates are ready for your computer. It's neither modal nor pop-to-front (it does appear in front of things, but it doesn't affect input.) You were saying?

      I had VNC connections to nearly a dozen Windows systems yesterday.. I saw the shield on some of them, but no popups. So if there are popups, they're hiding, useless, or inconsistent. When do they appear, and for how long?

      OS X has an actual update application. It checks for updates as scheduled. If it finds them, it stays open, and tells you that there's updates available without stealing the focus. It's obvious, not hidden in the system tray that, on Windows, defaults to auto-hiding icons after a while.

      Microsoft is not the one preventing people from thinking for themselves.

      Don't be a dolt. Microsoft designed the options, made recommendations, and set the defaults. They accepted responsibility. Can't you agree that Microsoft designed the update process poorly?

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    28. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1

      Well, that's fine - install your damn updates, but either do it without destroying my work or wait until I give you permission!
      (yes, I lost an email I was writing last night because of this and I'm still a bit sore...)


      TLDR: I know what you mean, happened to me and I did not even start the process!

      $deity, it is even worse than you think (though it was just me):

      Have an oracle db that was pushing toward 66 million records into what would be shy of 101 million records.

      After 2.5 weeks of insert statement running, had the update systray icon pop up and just clicked it and left the dialogue
      box "install/cancel" up w/o starting the process.

      Came back on Monday, logged in via RDC to a clean desktop (no SQL+ session, uh-oh) and green "updates applied, computer rebooted".

      Um, WTF? What is the fucking point of setting policies to prevent if the OS/Update service ignores them?

      Only saving grace was a new replacement box from the OEM that rhymes with hell that's > 3x's faster did the 100M record inserts
      in just over 2 days.

      Thank the $gods it was the backup machine, not the production server or the explosion would start on local listservs and gone
      on from there, like the last time I ran into stupidity/ineptitude like this I yelled loud enough and long enough to chance
      the corp policy of the previously mentioned OEM.
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    29. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Vista installs a patch, it tells you, then you can tell it when to reboot, otherwise it does it at some odd hour, when you don't use your machine (or I don't anyhow).

      If I leave my machine on overnight, there is a reason. Otherwise the computer is off. Windows update automatically rebooting the computer in the middle of the night has pissed me off more than once. My solution is to set the computer up to install the updates manually. Which works until I get another computer, or have to reinstall - and I forget about the default setting and get burned again.

    30. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by danomac · · Score: 1

      While having the PC reboot on its own is not exactly intended behaviour, there might be some ways around it.

      I don't know about personal PCs, but on a domain you can set WSUS to reboot the PCs at a programmed time after an update if needed - this way it won't shut off while you're in the middle of something. I've set a policy on our domain that PCs reboot after midnight following an update.

      I don't use Windows at home at all, so I can't just browse through Group Policy to see if it has something similar for machines not on a domain.

    31. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by QuietObserver · · Score: 1

      OS X has an actual update application. It checks for updates as scheduled. If it finds them, it stays open, and tells you that there's updates available without stealing the focus. It's obvious, not hidden in the system tray that, on Windows, defaults to auto-hiding icons after a while. Not to be particularly argumentative, but I have had a few problems with Software Update maintaining the schedule I have set it to; I checked my update settings just after reading this post, and found that the system hadn't checked for necessary software updates in nine days, despite the setting being clearly set to weekly; usually, my system uses a dial-up connection, as it does now, but two days ago, at the week mark in question, the system was connected to a broadband connection and should have been able to initialize the update, but didn't. Despite this, however, I will say that Software Update is very good, though it is imperfect. That said, I would also like to state that I agree with your opinion that OS X's update process is far superior to Window's Automatic Update. With the Windows update, I am never sure exactly what I'm updating as the descriptions are never particularly clear (they tell you a lot, but you have to know exactly what the issue is about to understand the descriptions), whereas with the Mac OS, the descriptions are short and to the point, requiring no prior knowledge of the issues involved. Secondly, the update process in Windows is almost completely hidden, where as on the Mac, I can monitor the entire process as needed. The Mac OS's options are also more flexible and reasonable than those in Windows -- my options allow me to always check manually, check automatically, but don't download anything, and check automatically and download whatever is necessary, but the system will never automatically install anything until I order it to do so. I agree with a number of posts which have stated that it is absolutely inexcusable for Windows to automatically install anything without first receiving explicit permission from the user, or to reboot without first asking the user's permission.

    32. Re:Cure the disease and lose the patient by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      It always amuses when Windows congratulates itself for screwing up. For example, when Windows XP bluescreens and reboots a dialog box is often displayed explaining that "Windows has recovered from a critical system error". I wouldn't consider rebooting to be any sort of recovery... it's more like throwing everything away and starting over!

  14. Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Medievalist · · Score: 5, Interesting
    People running Apache are starting to see this junk in their logs:

    GET /_vti_bin/owssvr.dll?UL=1&ACT=4&BUILD=2614&STRMVER =4&CAPREQ=0 HTTP/1.1
    GET /MSOffice/cltreq.asp?UL=1&ACT=4&BUILD=2614&STRMVER =4&CAPREQ=0 HTTP/1.1
    This noise gets spewed at websites by IE if you load the latest version of Microsoft Office and turn on the discussion bar "feature".

    You'd think sending these GETS to every single web site visited would be unnecessary (since IE can tell if it's connected to IIS, and only IIS is going to have cltreq.asp installed).

    I'm guessing they didn't fix that one?
    1. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're evil, but they're clever in their evilness. Might this be a way for them to shift the server equation more in their favour? By artificially increasing the workload on non-IIS servers, it negates their need to innovate competitively. "Sure, company X, Apache might be far more efficient, but the reality is that you have to buy twice as many servers to handle the extra workload they have to deal with, because IE is optimized to work with IIS. Therefore, IIS is more cost-effective for you."

    2. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd think sending these GETS to every single web site visited would be unnecessary (since IE can tell if it's connected to IIS, and only IIS is going to have cltreq.asp installed).

      Is there any reason someone with Chilisoft ASP couldn't implement the same functionality?

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Tom · · Score: 1

      As a server admin, I'd like to know if anyone has found a way to blast back, yet? Something to kill the discussion bar or at least overflow it with garbage? I'll take anything that makes these users realize the crap is broken.

      Please?

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    4. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by rthille · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just create a symlink to /dev/urandom

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    5. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      I just redirect anything with "MSIE" in the useragent to goatse.

    6. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by J0nne · · Score: 1

      Right, configure your website to crash the visitor's browser. That'll get you lots of visits...

    7. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by J0nne · · Score: 1

      perhaps adding a .htaccess rulz to redirect those requests to http://www.microsoft.com/ could satify your need to get back at MS for inventing that stupid feature... (bonus points if you link it to a huge image).

    8. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by JuliaNZ · · Score: 1

      People running Apache are starting to see this junk in their logs:

      Starting to see? That's been there for years. There's also something that MSN/Windows Messenger requests which contains the logged-on user's username (possibly only for users in a corporate environment). I just set my log analysis scripts to ignore all that junk. If you have a verbose 404 message on your server you could also trim it down to a minimal response for these requests if it's bothering you.

    9. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Why? What harm does it do? "Oh no! A 404 error! The world is ending!"

      If you don't like the feature, don't support it, don't sabotage it, just... don't use it. Why is that so hard for people?

    10. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Good paranoid rant, but in what way does this "increase the workload on non-IIS servers?" In anything, the IIS servers will have to do more work to answer these requests with actual data instead of just sending a 404 code. Next time think the paranoid rant through a bit more.

    11. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by VoltageX · · Score: 1

      Destroying more machines isn't the way to do it. Figuring out a way to send a "discussion" about how to turn this bar off would be better.

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    12. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by dcam · · Score: 1

      I get that with an IIS site I run. The thing that ticks me off is that there is no need for this stuff to be grabbed from all the sites in existence.

      Microsoft is just filling up people's log files (and in my case my mail accounts, since I get emails about 404 errors) with junk.

      How many sites out there actually have that stuff installed anyway?

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    13. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Just create a symlink to /dev/urandom

      If we ever have a WWIII, i hope it is *you*, Sir, that repopulates the earth.

    14. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Tom · · Score: 1

      Because I don't live in a "just ignore the 19456393562 nuissances they throw at you every day" world. You are welcome to live in one if you like, but I consider this essentially the same as spam.

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    15. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      In what way is it the same as spam? Do you consider EVERY response code from your web server as a personal message directed at you? That's ridiculous.

      Just ignore those requests on your web server and move on with your life. Why stress out over something so petty?

    16. Re:Did they fix the cltreq.asp query nonsense? by Tom · · Score: 1

      In what way is it the same as spam? It is unsolicited crap I don't want that I can not turn off.

      Just ignore those requests on your web server and move on with your life. Why stress out over something so petty? Funny, when spam was "invented" lots of people said the virtually same thing.

      I'll tell you why: Because it's a bad trend. It started with favicon. Why does every stupid browser try to access that file without having received the slightest hint as to whether exists or not? Now the toolbar thing. A few years down this road, your server logs (and bandwidth) will go largely to bogus requests for stuff that's not there and never will be.

      If they want additional "out of band" information to be passed, ad standard way to query for it and then only grab what the server offers. While that's still unnecessary requests (though you can put it into HTTP headers and ask only on the first page from a domain you access), it's one, standard way to do it, which statistics programs and maybe even apache's logfile routines, will quickly adapt to.

      But no, MS has to invent their own crap again, shitting all over everyone. I wouldn't complain if they'd only shit over themselves or their users, but no they don't, they always put the burden on others, just because.
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  15. dominant Internet Explorer.. my ass by gd23ka · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here, this is probably the article you had in mind:

    "Microsoft has just released seven dominance advisories -- all rated critical -- with dominance enhancements for at least 19 dominance threats affecting the world's premier and most popular Windows(R) operating system, the widely deployed superior Office productivity suite and the most dominant Internet Explorer browser. Six of the 19 dominance threats affect Microsoft's latest and most exciting offering, the Windows Vista Operating System. 'There are dominance enhancements for 7 different domination points that could otherwise lead to unplanned code execution in the most popular word processor of all times Word, the most powerful spreadsheet application Excel and of course spectacular Office. Users of Microsoft Exchange the kick-ass central hub of Information Technology are also urged to pay attention to all of the critical bulletins, which cover 4 different dominance features. A cumulative IE dominance update addresses six potentially cool features. There are the six that apply to the dominant IE 7 on the hugely popular Windows Vista Operating System. The last bulletin in this month's batch apples to the widely acclaimed CAPICOM (Cryptographic API Component Object Model) and could also put users at risk of complete system dominance violations.'"

    1. Re:dominant Internet Explorer.. my ass by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      WAY OT but you do not have valid contact info - the video in your sig is no longer on Youtube. Or at least not by that ID. I don't suppose you have a copy?

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    2. Re:dominant Internet Explorer.. my ass by gd23ka · · Score: 1

      Thanks for telling me, I just updated my sig. Youtube periodically deletes 911 truth videos and then somebody puts it back up. I can be reached at my user@yahoo.com email account, just substitute the string user with geltenfloor. If you want to learn more about this then go to then do go to these sites

      http://www.infowars.com/
      http://www.prisonplanet.com/
      http://www.informationliberation.com/

      Watch the movies Terrorstorm, Loose Change 2nd Edition, Police State 2000, 2003 on
      video.google.com (just search for them, you'll find them people make sure those
      docs are up). While you're at it also enter "Global Warming Swindle" in video.google.com

      Take care
      JG

  16. default browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I want to know is why they keep changing my default browser with updates. That really irks me and doesn't seem right. My computer had downloaded, installed, and rebooted updates last night for me to find an update message when I logged in. I open up firefox to do my morning necessities, and sure enough .. "is not your default browser, would you like to ..".

    Argh!

    1. Re:default browser by SEMW · · Score: 1

      Read the other comments; it's a bug in Firefox that makes it think it's not the default browser, when it actually is. This is easily verified by opening a URL or HTML file: it still opens in Firefox.

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  17. Why didn't they find these holes earlier? by 644bd346996 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, here's what's bugging me: 6 out of 19 holes are still present in Vista. That means that, in developing Vista, they removed at least 13 holes. My question: was that an accident? If those 13 holes were identified as critical vulnerabilities during Vista development and fixed, then they should have been patched in XP too. If they were accidentally fixed by more broad changes in Vista, then I guess you can see that as good, but it still calls into question MS's ability to audit code.

    On the other hand, if the rewritten portions of Vista removed 70% of the critical holes, that's pretty good. They might have been working on the right modules.

    1. Re:Why didn't they find these holes earlier? by MeBot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More likely they're just issues that were mitigated as a side effect of the overall increased security in Vista. That's why minimizing attack surfaces is good even if you don't know of any vulnerabilities (yet). You also see similar patterns in new vulnerabilities between 2000 and XP SP 2. So it wasn't an accident even though they weren't aware of the vulnerabilities at the time.

    2. Re:Why didn't they find these holes earlier? by PsychicX · · Score: 1

      Eh. Think back to the blog about the start menu->shut down menu thing that took a year to develop. Communication between groups in Windows is not very good, and so when the Vista guys fix a vulnerability there, the XP guys don't necessarily get the news. It's not exactly a redeeming point, I know, but I doubt there's anything malicious or intentional going on. Like most things, it's just disorganization and red tape.

    3. Re:Why didn't they find these holes earlier? by trifish · · Score: 1

      XP is 5.1. Vista is 6.0. No need for conspiracy theories. Massive architectural changes with security in mind from the very beginning of the desing process (which MS says was the case with Vista) should show its fruit. And it seems it has.

    4. Re:Why didn't they find these holes earlier? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Sometimes you can make a program more secure by using a newer compiler, or different compiler options.

    5. Re:Why didn't they find these holes earlier? by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1

      If you are talking about things like SSP, the time to enable that would have been with XP SP2. People shouldn't have to pay big bucks for a recompiled version of the same software.

    6. Re:Why didn't they find these holes earlier? by Samhain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if you read the about the patches you would notice that many of those 13 holes were with other products such as about 3 or 4 dealing with Office, some with Exchange, and some with windows DNS. These may or may not apply to Vista depending on what software you have installed on it.

      Although I really hope someone is not trying to run Exchange on Vista. *grins*

  18. When Linux starts doing this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have just been raped by our new improved IE7. Look out for more exciting features with IE 8

    >Switching to Firefox

    Wait...hang on..I may have something in the back
    Windows Incrediblizer patch for IE7.

    >Whatever...wait..Firefox is no longer default

    You have just been raped by our new improved and patched IE7. Look out for more exciting features with IE 8

    >Remove IE7

    Wait...wait...Deleting Firefox. Installing back orifice..

    >Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    1. Re:When Linux starts doing this: by ThePengwin · · Score: 1

      Well its not all bad news, at least we know back orrifice works as its supposed to :)

  19. Summary was incorrect by SEMW · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the summary was incorrect regarding Vista: at least one of the vulnerabilities in question ("Uninitialized Memory Corruption Vulnerability CVE-2007-0944") is not present in Vista, and contrary to the summary's implication, only two out of the Vista vulnerabilities (CVE-2007-0945 and CVE-2007-2221) are rated critical.

    Not, of course, that this excuses MS in any way (two is still two too many), but the summary was still rather misleading.

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    1. Re:Summary was incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the other two vulnerabilities you didn't list are rated as "Important" for IE 7 on Vista. And those vulnerabilities can lead to remote code execution on your machine. The only reason they aren't critical is probably because there hasn't been any exploit code released yet, or that vulnerabilities are just a little more difficult to exploit in order to carry off an attack. The summary isn't misleading. A lot of admins consider vulnerabilities where remote code execution is possible to be a "Critical" ones. Just because Microsoft doesn't rate a vulnerability critical now, doesn't mean that it won't be in the future.

  20. And now it won't go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So yesterday the little popup comes up and tells me there are updates to my (PHB's) Operating System available. I let it download & install them, and the final dialog box comes up: "You have successfully Updated Your (PHB's) Computer (YAAY!)"

    Now it won't go away. The popup comes back up after about 30 seconds to tell me there are updates available for my (PHB's) computer, I've run through the installation about a dozen times, now, and still, there's the little popup, telling me there's an update available for Internet Exploiter 6. (Which I _won't_ use, anyway. Of course I use Firefox.)

    So bye bye, automatic updates, since you're now borken enough to nag me to do something which I've already completed.

    M$hit#$^&*]!*^%R$^&*@

  21. Seconded by matt+me · · Score: 1

    Why does the author describe them as 'flaws' rather than bugs, or vulnerabilities if they concern security.

  22. "Clear" bias by freeweed · · Score: 1

    I think your current score (+4, Insightful) dispells the myth once and for all of some magic "Slashdot bias" that people continually complain about (and get modded up for). If anything, I'd say there's a clear bias on Slashdot IN FAVOUR OF Microsoft.

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  23. So you have a reason for being bias. But you are.. by MMInterface · · Score: 1

    Your not really making a point about bias. Everything you said can be true and you could still be biased against the company. All your really stating is the reason you are biased against Microsoft. A more honest answer would be; we think our bias is justified, instead of; they suck, what bias??? In all likelyhood you know your biased but you think making a good point against MS will convince biased readers that any other point you make is true. There's not necessarily anything wrong with being bias against MS. But it is silly for people to pretend they aren't when its so obvious. Now let me tell the dumbest MS joke I can think of so I can get kudos.

  24. No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by sid0 · · Score: 1

    Indeed, none of the flaws were in Vista itself. If I'm reading the bulletin correctly, all of the flaws were in IE7, which was developed quite independently of Vista.

    1. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by aichpvee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm calling bullshit. Microsoft has been saying for 10 years that IE is INSEPARABLE from Windows. Any flaw in IE is a flaw in Windows. Because either you believe Microsoft or you stop your cheerleading and admit that Bill Gates and all the other execs at Microsoft are liars and that the feds should have broken the company up into a hundred little Microsofts.

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    2. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by sid0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm calling bullshit.

      On what? That IE7 was developed independently of Vista?

      Of course it was developed independently. It was released long before Vista was.

      Microsoft has been saying for 10 years that IE is INSEPARABLE from Windows.

      They are correct in a sense.

      While IE can be removed from Windows XP (I'm not sure about Vista) using XPlite, doing so breaks a lot of other things in Windows (help files etc). Trust me, I've tried it.

      Any flaw in IE is a flaw in Windows.

      I can see the argument for it, although I'll disagree. When I say "Vista" I mean the kernel + the subsystems (graphics, audio, network etc) + the security layer (UAC, digital signatures). The internet browser bundled with the OS -- especially when it is made available for another couple of OSes, and the development team is not part of the Vista development team -- doesn't count as part of the OS.

      Plus, you have the choice of browser. You do not have the choice of subsystem or kernel.

      The help files are non-essential stuff, so you can technically use Vista or XP without ever seeing IE. I cannot say the same for the other things.

    3. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by ad0gg · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can't seperate IE from windows. It will break the windows help system which uses the IE renderer. It will break apps that depend on the IE engine(about boxes use this a lot with HTML/ActiveX that hooks into application). Removing IE Engine from windows would be like removing konqueror(really the KHTML engine) from KDE.

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    4. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      So obviously you can swap out the graphical interface (for another gui or just cli) on windows and still have a functioning system? Please! It isn't anything like taking Konqueror out of KDE.

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    5. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by eat+here_get+gas · · Score: 1

      "Plus, you have the choice of browser. You do not have the choice of subsystem or kernel." I think you need to amend that to "limited choice". I ditched IE a long time ago, and use FireFox instead. Yet try to go to a M$ site in FF, it doesn't happen. My multiple web-based (and being web-based, I should be able to use any browser)hotmail accounts, ain't happening either. Not only that, access to my router (linksys) is prohibited if I use FF. And even making FF my "default" browser doesn't garauntee that that is the browser that appears when I click certain links. That type of "embedding" has led me to believe that IE IS Windows.

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    6. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by MarcoG42 · · Score: 1

      i don't have any problem connecting to my router (linksys) with FF; in windows or in linux.

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    7. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by ad0gg · · Score: 1

      Umm what happens when programs you're dependent on are written to use the KDE api?

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    8. Re: No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by eat+here_get+gas · · Score: 1

      even now I attempted to log in via FF, and all I get is Google...guess I'm just 'tarded!

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    9. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by thelawal · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but it seems you are having config issues with FF. I am able to use hotmail just fine from Firefox 2.0. Also how are you going to blame MS for something that Cisco did? Oh well.

    10. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can still run Linux without them. This isn't true on windows. Troll harder in the future.

    11. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by ad0gg · · Score: 1

      Learn to read. No where do i mention linux.

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    12. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by VolciMaster · · Score: 1
      I routinely access my linksys (and, previously, other brands) in firefox, and never had an issue

      what are you doing that makes it not work in FF?

    13. Re:No flaws in Vista itself, all 6 in IE7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      broken the company up into a hundred little Microsofts

      Wouldn't that make each one 10 nanosofts?

  25. Black Tuesday... by moogoogaipan · · Score: 1

    One of our developers updated these patches and I am currently rebuilding his box everything from scratch. His system went on a chkdsk after the updates and eventually, BSOD. p!$$3d

  26. Is this news? by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Six of the 19 vulnerabilities affect Windows Vista"
    So ??? How is this relevant to anyone ? Nobody uses Vista !

    1. Re:Is this news? by eraser.cpp · · Score: 1

      I do.

    2. Re:Is this news? by benjcurry · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry. ;)

  27. Gates had to dare them didn't he... by Phu5ion · · Score: 1
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  28. Vista uses UDF as default CD writer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi Over on Groklaw, the article http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200704220 83715451 describes a possible attempt to lock-in users when using the inbuilt Vista burning software. It appears that the inbuilt default is to use a version of UDF file system rather than mastering software and the author cited claims that it is yet another lock-in attempt by Microsoft. In the WIkipedia article "Criticism of Windows Vista" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Windows_ Vista, there is an attempt by Microsoft fans to rubbish this fact.

  29. Protected Mode? by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if the 6 Vista vulnerabilities are stopped by protected mode(UAC)? I'm curious if protected mode is working as designed, and the KB article doesn't make a note of this.

  30. That's the thing about revolution: it revolves! by symbolset · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you work for the New AT&T then?

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    1. Re:That's the thing about revolution: it revolves! by dodobh · · Score: 1

      Or the government.

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  31. Only One of the Vista Bugs was "Critical" by ThinkFr33ly · · Score: 4, Informative

    Only 1 of the 6 bugs that affected Vista was rated "critical". (Critical is typically reserved for bugs that could allow somebody to remotely take over the machine.)

    In the case of the one bug that was rated critical, the rating was dependent on several mitigating factors, including that the user running as full admin with UAC turned off. (Obviously not the default configuration.)

    Only in that scenario could the machine be compromised, and even then the successful execution of exploit code was unlikely thanks to ASLR and various other security measures. It was far more likely to simply cause a browser crash.

    Considering Vista has been out since November of last year, its security record so far as been extremely impressive.

    1. Re:Only One of the Vista Bugs was "Critical" by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

      including that the user running as full admin with UAC turned off. (Obviously not the default configuration.)

      Not the default? In which parallel universe?

      admin is still the only functional account, and UAC is so annoying everyone I know turns it off almost immediately (just like the telletubies theme is the first to go on XP).

  32. You sir, are a genius. (n/t) by symbolset · · Score: 1

    This space intentionally left blank.

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  33. Which is more of a threat? by thedbtree · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't mean to troll and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about a bias, but I tend to think of Microsoft vulnerabilities and patches to be more important than the Linux counterpart.

    It's not my intention to imply Linux has fewer security bugs/holes/etc, because I haven't done any research in that regard.

    What I am saying is that Microsoft dominates the market; so therefore a Microsoft vulnerability and patch are more newsworthy in than a more obscure piece of software, in my book. I'm not talking about "quality" of a vulnerability in terms of criticality, I'm talking about the quantity of systems around the globe that will be affected by articles said 19 "flaws".

    Once again, no research here, I realize there are probably many more *nix systems out there than I realize, but if I walk down my street and ask every neighbor what they're running, I can almost assure the majority are running Windows.

  34. Self correcting problems by symbolset · · Score: 1

    With this kind of bait their browser will eventually find the kind of fish it's trolling for: sharks.

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  35. Has anyone ever graphed... by Dracos · · Score: 1

    ...The number of Windows/Office/Exchange/Outlook/IE/whatever vulnerabilities/patches over time?

    That seems the only way to prove or disprove the "this is the most secure version ever" claims that always accompany an upgrade.

    1. Re:Has anyone ever graphed... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      ...The number of Windows/Office/Exchange/Outlook/IE/whatever vulnerabilities/patches over time?

      The Magic 8-Ball is as good as any source on this.

  36. What ?!? by cheros · · Score: 1
    Now that IE7 is patched, it's much more secure than Firefox could ever be.


    And you base that assessment on what, exactly? Can't be historic trends AFAIK.

    There is principly no evidence either way.

    = Ch =

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    1. Re:What ?!? by Kandenshi · · Score: 1
      I draw your attention to:

      Then I adjusted my thinking to Microsoft's point of view and tried to figure it out.
    2. Re:What ?!? by cheros · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see, that's what you meant. I appreciate the effort, now go and have a beer to recover :-).

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  37. Who was the moron on yesterday by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    that claimed Vista had no bugs rated Critical?

    Tell me again how Microsoft security has improved...

    Suckers.

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  38. yeah by game+kid · · Score: 1

    It's clearly calling the world's body of Street Fighter fans a batch of fruits.

    See, when one spells CAPCOM that way, they're obviously looking for trouble.

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  39. There's still time to join an abusive monopoly! by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    You have listed my fondest dream: To be part of an abusive monopoly that replaced the abusive monopoly that I hated when I was a young college student....*sigh*

    You could still get in on the ground floor -- I hear Google is hiring.

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  40. Mod parent down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is silly. Things can have hard dependencies on each other without being the same thing. IE7 can run on Windows XP as well as Windows Vista, hence IE7 and Vista are not the same thing. IE7 may be required for various parts of the Vista shell to work, but that doesn't mean that they aren't separate code bases built by separate teams. My server product may require SQL Server, but that doesn't mean that a bug in SQL Server is a bug in my product.

  41. System restart by D+H+NG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've had it up to here with Microsoft's automatic restart after a system update. Last night somebody was sending me a 1 GB file via Skype. It was halfway done when I went to bed. In the morning, my computer had restarted. All the transferred data was lost. As soon as I get my wireless card working in Ubuntu, I'm gonna wean off Windows forever.

    1. Re:System restart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh. Because you couldn't ever... turn it off.

    2. Re:System restart by oheso · · Score: 1

      The system restart is a bitch, and it happens with the server versions, too. Which is why I set my machines to download the updates and notify me. Then I can apply the patches at my leisure. Another alternative is to simply have the machine notify you when updates are available.

    3. Re:System restart by CommanderIsm · · Score: 1

      PixelDust must work for microshit for years the microshit corporation have been ripping you 'dozy' windoze users blind - and yet you the 'dozy' people have forced clinton and the war criminal bush onto us all - so in fact you 'dozy' people have caused it all to happen = so when it all goes wrong you have only your 'dozy' headed selves to blame you are lax - fat - dozy and indolent lets hope the chinese get you soon

  42. This is newsworthy? by pauk_11 · · Score: 1

    Even for Slashdot this is getting pretty annoying. Wow, a security hole in a multimedia oriented OS with millions of lines of code that is target #1 for virus makers and hackers. No way!

  43. Good question... dunno. by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    You could serve the .dll easily enough... somebody will be serving up BackOrifice in an identically named .dll sometime soon, I'd imagine...

    As for duplicating the functions, you might be able to do it with Apache::ASP or something similar, but you'd have to do some reverse engineering and hope it didn't do any inherently evil ActiveX tricks. Might be more effort than it's worth, given that there are already plenty of discussion board systems that don't require downloading .dll objects on the fly.

  44. The IE 6 SP1 patch fails by macraig · · Score: 1

    The patch for IE 6 SP1 fails, but it does so quietly: keeps reappearing in the update list even after it's allegedly been installed. My only recourse was to finally disable and ignore that update to keep it from reappearing. This is the second time this has happened with an IE 6 SP1 update.

    1. Re:The IE 6 SP1 patch fails by SEMW · · Score: 1

      Why on Earth are you still running IE6 on a production machine? The fact that more than one of the vulnerabilities in TFA apply to IE6 only, not IE7, should be reason enough to upgrade.

      If you need it installed to test websites with it, why not have it installed in a virtual machine?

      If it's just that you just prefer the interface of IE6 to IE7, both Opera and Firefox can be configured & skinned to work exactly like IE6.

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    2. Re:The IE 6 SP1 patch fails by macraig · · Score: 1

      I don't use IE6 on a regular basis, it's a fallback and for testing. Firefox is the standard. It's not a 'production' machine, it's a 'personal' machine. Regardless, I'd like to have IE patched for all known vulnerabilities, but this stupid bug is preventing me from patching IE6 and I will not upgrade the OS just to get a new version of IE. Upgrading to Vista will never be an option.

    3. Re:The IE 6 SP1 patch fails by SEMW · · Score: 1

      You don't need to upgrade to Vista to get IE7, you can download it from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/geti tnow.mspx. If you use Firefox rather than IE6 and so have no particular reason (interface etc.) to want to use IE6, that's even more reason to drop it in favour of 7: since MS, in their Infinite Wisdom, tied IE so tightly into various parts of Windows, security holes in IE can and do affect other parts of the OS (as the rendering engine in the help system, many common email apps, etc.). IE6 is pretty much a liability (see: TFA) -- if usually you use firefox, there's no reason to have it lurking on your system longer than necessary.

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    4. Re:The IE 6 SP1 patch fails by macraig · · Score: 1

      IE 7 requires Windows XP as a minimum requirement. I'm using Windows 2000 (the result of an earlier protest of Windows XP on the day of its release). I'm stuck with IE6 until I'm ready to migrate back to Linux, unless I decide to waste money on an eBay copy of XP in the meantime... which ain't likely to happen because the reason for my original protest of it is still valid.

      I find it hypocritical that so many people, especially Slashdotters, who loudly bitched and whined about the 'evil' activation scheme in Windows XP have in fact wound up using it anyway. I hate people whose ethics fly out the "Windows" at the first hint of inconvenience.

      Thanks for trying, but I've already been-there-done-this.

    5. Re:The IE 6 SP1 patch fails by SEMW · · Score: 1

      Apologies; I didn't realise that IE7 required XP.

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  45. Oblig.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bravo!! This shows how dedicated they are to they're customers by finding and patching security exploits on a monthly basis, wait, did you say Microsoft? I meant to say, this shows how inept they are, how little they care for their customers, etc.

  46. IE7 is NOT the dominant browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article submitter needs some reality check. Today IE7 (which is lucky to get 7 critical patch on Vista) is not by any stretch of mind the dominant browser. IE7's use, today, is dwarfed by both IE6 and Firefox.

    1. Re:IE7 is NOT the dominant browser by Goffee71 · · Score: 0
      Do any of the fixes solve the real problems that real users have with Vista?

      They would be:

      Discs don't burn properly

      Programs don't shut down properly

      Drivers don't work properly

      OS still isn't properly secure against common attacks

      Never mind this obscure crap they keep fixing, starting with the basics would be nice - read blog for the litany of duffness that is Vista!

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    2. Re:IE7 is NOT the dominant browser by SEMW · · Score: 1

      Today IE7 (which is lucky to get 7 critical patch on Vista) How did you get 7?! The summary states 6. The Technet article gives 5 in total, only 4 of which affect Vista.

      I've heard of inflation, but this is ridiculous.

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  47. Do The Fixes Apply to Windows 98? by littlewink · · Score: 1

    'Cuz that's all the Windows I got!8-))

    1. Re:Do The Fixes Apply to Windows 98? by SEMW · · Score: 1

      You'll be pleased to know that the number of unpatched vulnerabilities for Windows 98/ME is now so large that a few more will make practically no difference.

      If your 98 box is connected to the interwebz, do yourself a favour and upgrade; if it's too old for even XP, try something lightweight and Linuxy like Fluxbuntu or DSL.

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  48. 'nother patch for iPod by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=514

    According to a knowledge base article (#936824) posted yesterday on Microsoft's Help and Support Web site, Vista's Eject command doesn't work with properly with a connected iPod and can cause data corruption (see Techmeme discussion):
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    To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  49. Use a real email program... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This wouldn't happen if you were using a good email program. If you're writing an important long email you need a least a local and a network backup... GMail, for example, automagically saves a copy of the email you're writing in the "drafts" folder every 30 seconds or so.

    GMail also handles gracefully the 2GB+ of emails I've got... Something I couldn't manage to have Outlook do reliably.

    For that matter of course you may as well decide to use an OS on which you decide when it reboots.

  50. Vista patches by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Informative

    The vista patches are all just to disable the one-click activation hacks that are circulating.

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  51. Did they get this one? by Metasquares · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, entering (5+1=) into (only) the Vista calculator was enough to crash it. Not exactly critical, but I wonder whether they've fixed it by now. I did report it.

  52. fun with symlinks by kybred · · Score: 1

    Just create a symlink to /dev/urandom

    I worked with a guy who's .plan file was a symlink to /dev/zero. I guess he didn't want to be finger-ed by anybody.

  53. Oops. by QuietObserver · · Score: 1
    Sorry about the jumbled paragraph; allow me to repost my comments:

    OS X has an actual update application. It checks for updates as scheduled. If it finds them, it stays open, and tells you that there's updates available without stealing the focus. It's obvious, not hidden in the system tray that, on Windows, defaults to auto-hiding icons after a while.

    Not to be particularly argumentative, but I have had a few problems with Software Update maintaining the schedule I have set it to; I checked my update settings just after reading this post, and found that the system hadn't checked for necessary software updates in nine days, despite the setting being clearly set to weekly; usually, my system uses a dial-up connection, as it does now, but two days ago, at the week mark in question, the system was connected to a broadband connection and should have been able to initialize the update, but didn't. Despite this, however, I will say that Software Update is very good, though it is imperfect.

    That said, I would also like to state that I agree with your opinion that OS X's update process is far superior to Window's Automatic Update. With the Windows update, I am never sure exactly what I'm updating as the descriptions are never particularly clear (they tell you a lot, but you have to know exactly what the issue is about to understand the descriptions), whereas with the Mac OS, the descriptions are short and to the point, requiring no prior knowledge of the issues involved. Secondly, the update process in Windows is almost completely hidden, where as on the Mac, I can monitor the entire process as needed. The Mac OS's options are also more flexible and reasonable than those in Windows -- my options allow me to always check manually, check automatically, but don't download anything, and check automatically and download whatever is necessary, but the system will never automatically install anything until I order it to do so. I agree with a number of posts which have stated that it is absolutely inexcusable for Windows to automatically install anything without first receiving explicit permission from the user, or to reboot without first asking the user's permission.

  54. Linux is for n00bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing gayer than Linux is Linus Torvaldi or whatever his gay name is. Linus... rofl.

  55. Linux patches are less expensive than Windows ones by Nurgled · · Score: 1

    I maintain a mixed Linux and Windows network. The Linux boxes run Debian. There are quite often updates to install from the Debian security repository, and there are quite often patches from Windows Update. However, when I update the Debian boxes, I've only ever once needed to reboot the system and that was due to a kernel upgrade. I sometimes need to restart individual services, but this is much faster than a full system reboot.

    Microsoft makes matters worse by lumping several fixes together into one patch. When I'm installing Debian updates, I can see what's being patched and thus what I need to restart to load the new version of the code. With Windows, all I see is "After you install this update, you may need to restart your computer." May need to restart?

    The practical effect of this is that the updates to the Windows systems are more disruptive than the updates to the Debian systems. With the Debian systems, I can tell what the impact will be before I commit myself to installing the updates, and usually only a small part of the overall service of the system is disrupted. With Windows, invariably a full system restart is needed so I must always run them outside of office hours, which eats into my spare time and costs my company money. Most Debian updates are done without the users even noticing, because I can tell before I run them that none of the services they depend on will be impacted.

    It is the fact that Windows updates are far more disruptive and annoying than GNU/Linux updates that causes Windows' updates to get a lot more press.

  56. Slow news day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on guys, is it really news every time Microsoft patches a new security flaw in Windows? When are we going to see the weekly Slashdot articles about the Linux security patches?

    https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2007-0338.html
    http://support.novell.com/linux/psdb/bydate.html
    http://www.debian.org/security/
    http://www.slackware.com/security/list.php?l=slack ware-security&y=2007

  57. Mod Parent Up! by SEMW · · Score: 1
    Parent's blog post has a reply from Microsoft about the issue which explains what's happened -- to wit:

    Thanks for providing the information on the updates you installed before experiencing the Firefox default browser prompt. We did a thorough investigation and have tracked down the cause of the issue. Before I explain the actual cause, I do want to let you know that we also determined that at no time did Firefox ever stop being the default browser on the machine. It mistakenly thought it was no longer the default and prompted users, but every entry point that triggered the default browser would still launch Firefox.

    This issue is actually the result of a change in Firefox (added in Firefox v 2.0.0.2) and how it responds to Office changing a Windows registry key during the updating process. Whenever Office updates, it also verifies that many supporting registry keys are set to expected values (this is the same action that occurs when you use the Detect and Repair functionality in Office). The modification of registry keys during updating has happened throughout the lifecycle of Office 2003, and the Outlook Junk Email Filter delivered via Microsoft Update this month triggered this issue simply because it was the first update of Office since Firefox 2.0.0.2 became available, not because this specific update did anything differently.

    On the basis of your report, the Office team has worked with Mozilla and believe theyve arrived at an answer that will address the issue. The Mozilla folks have told us that the change will be in an upcoming version of Firefox, and it is tracked in this bug report on the Mozilla site. Thanks again for bringing this to our attention. Your blog was the trigger of the investigation and were all glad we were able to find the solution so quickly."

    Gary Schare

    Director, Internet Explorer Product Management at Microsoft
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