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Star Wars Television Series Moving Forward

merg717 writes "George Lucas has confirmed that work has begun on a live-action Star Wars television series. This is the companion piece to the Clone Wars animated series, focusing on entirely new characters outside of the frame of the six movies. 'Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots" but wouldn't let any details slip about the true premise. The "extended universe" of "Star Wars" has come to life already in Lucas-sanctioned novels, comics and games that chronicle the history of the Jedi and tell the tales of bit players in the films, such as the bounty hunters from "The Empire Strikes Back."'"

178 comments

  1. Already Been Done by phobos13013 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Robot Chicken and Family Guy beat him to his own punch!

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    1. Re:Already Been Done by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      What the hell is an aluminum falcon?
      That was priceless.

      I'd include a link to the youtube video, so that those less informed could see it, like it, and maybe become fans of the show, but copyright holders have pulled it off youtube.
      I guess I could tell you about it.

      The Emperor, and his two business partners are sitting in his office, having a candid talk.
      Tellephone rings, it's Vader...

      Ahh, forget it... Just trust me, it's really funny.

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    2. Re:Already Been Done by Jamil+Karim · · Score: 1

      This is the clip you're looking for.

  2. Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by techpawn · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I'm subjected to another 20 minuets of wookies talking to each other as the ONLY dialog I swear to the FSM! I liked the clone wars animated series, but the TV holiday special still gives me horrible flashbacks.

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    1. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by Ngarrang · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lucas is pretty much denying that The Christmas Special even existed. But we, the fans of Star Wars, never forget.

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    2. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by techpawn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Lucas is pretty much denying that The Christmas Special even existed. But we, the fans of Star Wars, never forget.
      No matter how much therapy we get, we will never forget. Once it has been seen, it can not be unseen...
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    3. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by attributed+insanity · · Score: 3, Funny

      20 minuets of wookies
      I'm envisaging wookies dancing to stately music in 3/4 time. Thanks.
    4. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      Art Carney and Bea Arthur. Classic.

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    5. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by popeye44 · · Score: 1

      I have that Xmas special I found it somewhere. It's not dvd quality but it's very watchable.. Well at least as far as visually. As for watching the whole thing.. I'm not sure I could stomach it.

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    6. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by superslacker87 · · Score: 1

      I know I couldn't. Word of advice: don't eat spaghetti before watching. It's not very pleasant on its way back up.

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    7. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by rilister · · Score: 1

      Here's an even bigger continuity problem for you: how does Luke losing Chewbacca in a theater full of hand-puppets fit into the Canon?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMPdDa90pLY
      -maybe Lucas can pass Kermit off as a mutated Ewok?

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    8. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      it doesn't, but it does fit into Henson's canon as many of the creatures were designed or implemented by Jim Henson's creature shop. Kermit and Ms. Piggy spawned Yoda...

    9. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by pluther · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've got it too, on VHS.

      It's watchable if:
      1. You've got a good group together
      2. You're all drinking heavily.

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    10. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by j235 · · Score: 1

      Not easy being green, it is.

    11. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by AnotherHiggins · · Score: 1
      I think the proper phrasing in Yodese (Yodaese? Yodeese?) would be:

      Easy being green, it is not

    12. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by rgravina · · Score: 1

      I swear to the FSM!

      You swear to the Finite State Machine?
    13. Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! by Wyzardking · · Score: 1

      "You watched it! You can't un-watch it!"

  3. Merchandise by threaded · · Score: 1

    Merchandise - where the real money from the movie is made!

    Oh, and the sequels, and the repeat fees, and the spin offs ...

  4. Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by andphi · · Score: 1

    I really wish this weren't happening. Like Star Trek after Nemesis, the franchise needs to be given a rest on the big and small screens.

    After I, II, and III, I'm not at all excited by the prospects of Space Balls: The TV Show

    1. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...the franchise needs to be given a rest...
      Like many people in the "entertainment" world, George Lucas is a megalomaniac, and needs constant "action" to feel personally validated. At a certain point these guys didn't really need any more money, but a fate worse than being poor again would be to fade into the past. These people live exclusively in the Here and Now, the past is death.
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    2. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now now, let's not shoot this down before it even hits the air. I mean, who knows -- maybe the series will climax with a series finale where an army of ewoks break the fourth wall, leaping through television sets at Skywalker Ranch, hellbent on jamming a stake up George Lucas's ass and slow-roasting him on a spit. It could be great. Have faith, young Jedi.

      *sigh* Oh, who am I kidding. After the 'love story' between Anakin and Padme, it's clear what the real future of Star Wars is: Child Pornography.
      I expect Chris Hanson will have something to say about this.

    3. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by andphi · · Score: 1

      That's what drives me nuts. Homeboy had already secured his place in American culture and the history of filmmaking. Then he ran roughshod over his old stuff in the interests of money, a new vision, and the like. Once upon a time, he was a decent filmmaker. Now he's just a pseudo-spiritual windbag. If I hear about the mythical or historical underpinnings of Star Wars one more time, I'm going to gag. (The obvious exception to this being later editions of The Hero With a Thousand Faces)

    4. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by andphi · · Score: 1

      > maybe the series will climax with a series finale where an army of ewoks break the fourth
      > wall, leaping through television sets at Skywalker Ranch

      If only. It would be just enough like the end of Blazing Saddles to be really, really funny and circularly referential.

    5. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1
      >Like Star Trek after Nemesis, the franchise needs
      >to be given a rest on the big and small screens

      I'm generally perplexed by comments like these. If people think something 'needs a rest' then don't watch it. Lots of people drop shows when they think they've gone on too long. If you think Star Wars is 'done' then don't watch.

    6. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by andphi · · Score: 1

      When I say "needs a rest", I mean that further bad or mediocre iterations of the franchise are likely to damage the whole and make it less likely that a good iteration will be produced.

    7. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      No, this is bullshit. Look, I'll admit, I like the prequels. I don't understand how anyone can dislike them. But even so, new material in no way affects the quality of the originals. If you don't like the new stuff, just ignore it and move on! Seriously, the people who say "This new stuff is so bad it ruined the original stuff for me" are being idiots, because it's not that damn hard to just pretend that the new stuff doesn't exist. Case in point: I don't like how they killed off Major Kusanagi in the Ghost in the Shell movie, so I just watch the anime, and pretend the movies don't exist. Takes next to no effort on my part.

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    8. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by andphi · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that the new stuff makes the old stuff bad, I'm saying that if something new in the franchise turns out mediocre (or flops based on low expectations), then it lessens the chances that someone down the road will have the chance to do something interesting with the franchise.

      I'll put it this way about the prequels: If they had been mindless action flicks, I might not have have been disappointed. As another poster pointed out, the action scenes were generally good and entertaining.

      As an epic, however, the movies fall flat. The characters (with a few exceptions) aren't really that interesting. The movies never establish sympathy with the main character. If the whole series had been written around ObiWan (with Ewan MacGregor in the role) it might have been entirely different, but as it stands, little boy Anakin was cardboard and teenage Anakin was an angry, weepy bore. Of course, this is all just my opinion.

    9. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by Spellvexit · · Score: 2, Funny

      You obviously didn't read the article, because Lucas is thinking BIG, man!

      Quoth the maker: "They [the suits] are having a hard time," Lucas said. "They're saying, 'This doesn't fit into our little square boxes,' and I say, 'Well, yeah, but it's Star Wars. And Star Wars doesn't fit into that box.'"

      It's going to blow your mind. Think Jar-Jar Binks. Think midi-chlorians. Think greedy Chinese stereotype aliens! Think epic romances spanning multiple star systems! This is Star Wars we're talking about, and it's not taking any guff!

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    10. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Oh, ok, I must've misread. My bad.

      For the record, I really did find the prequels interesting. The plot of the original movies is, in my opinion, incredibly boring and cliche, what saves them is their great setting, and great action scenes. In the prequels, on the other hand, there was a story I could actually really get into, and wrap myself around: the slow descent of someone who was innocent and good into evil. It really caught me. Of course, the amazing battle scenes didn't hurt either.

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    11. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like many people in the "entertainment" world, George Lucas is a megalomaniac, and needs constant "action" to feel personally validated.

      Or he could be an artist who's not willing to retire and stop creating the second he got enough money to spend the rest of his days in comfort. Or he could be mindlessly greedy. Or he could just be bored. Or whatever.

      Calling someone a "megalomaniac" just because they keep on coming up with plans well within their capability to implement is hardly justified.

      At a certain point these guys didn't really need any more money, but a fate worse than being poor again would be to fade into the past.

      Creating things can be a very fullfilling pasttime. If your financial future is secured, why not seek such fullfillment ? It doesn't imply mental problems, you know.

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    12. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by andphi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No problem.

      I can see your points. The core of the story is an interesting one: as you said, the slow descent into evil (via initially non-evil motives). It's a story I myself have thought about telling, though as horror fantasy rather than science fantasy. It's the details of execution that bug the hell out of me, so much so that I find it hard to get past them to appreciate the central story. Some people relate to Tolkien and LoTR the way I relate to the prequels. I love LoTR and see mostly flaws and squandered potential in PM, AotC, and RotS.

    13. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by j_snare · · Score: 1

      Like Star Trek before Nemesis, the franchise needs to be given a rest on the big and small screens.

      There. Fixed that for you.

    14. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by Bud+Dickman · · Score: 1

      "I mean that further bad or mediocre iterations of the franchise are likely to damage the whole and make it less likely that a good iteration will be produced."
      A much bigger factor in that is whether or not copyright law is reformed. Luke Skywalker and Mickey Mouse should both be public domain at this point in time.
    15. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by tcc3 · · Score: 1

      Like Star Trek before Insurrection...

      I fixed it for both of you.

    16. Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really wish this weren't happening. Like Star Trek after Wrath of Khan; the franchise need to be put to down while it was still good.

      There, I fixed it for you.

  5. Robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots"
    Considering the way Lucas directs actors, I would say that most of the Star Wars movies have been about the lives of robots.

    1. Re:Robots by tesmar · · Score: 0

      Except for the guy who liked to wear a lot of gold and the short guy who cursed a lot.

    2. Re:Robots by blindd0t · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'll cast the Robot Ghost of Christmas Past? In case you don't know who that is, it's the one that really likes watermelon.

    3. Re:Robots by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except for the guy who liked to wear a lot of gold and the short guy who cursed a lot.

      Mr T. and Tattoo were in Star Wars? Man, I picked the wrong week to stop huffing glue.

  6. A Spinoff is already planned. by CleverScreenName · · Score: 1

    Star Wars: The Gungan Chronicles.

    Sadly, you know George is already planning this.

    Bring Back Billy Dee!

    1. Re:A Spinoff is already planned. by Chris+whatever · · Score: 1

      Ouch! a gungan star wars series now that would suck ass and i mean you would hear the suction, it would be tangible and you would feel it too.

  7. Great! by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More marketing opportunities for LucasFilm! More toys! More action figures! More breakfast cereals!

    People who think this was about things like "artistic vision" or "extended storytelling possibilities" probably like Jar-Jar Binks as well.

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    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Merchandising! Where the REAL money from the movie is made!

    2. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meesa do not know why do people hate jarjar so much

    3. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will only care if I get Star Wars the Flamethrower. (I am pretty sure slashdotters will get that one.)

  8. You left out the most important one: by Enlarged+to+Show+Tex · · Score: 1

    Syndication. Unless, of course, this is what you meant when you said 'repeat fees'...

    However, I can't see this one lasting long enough to reach syndication, because it looks to me to be a thinly veiled attempt to see how much revenue Lucas can milk out of the Star Wars franchise.

    1. Re:You left out the most important one: by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      He is producing 100 episodes each so it already qualifies for syndication.
      He is producing which also means that he is funding so there is no studio (other than his own) to place an order of 13 episodes to test the audience for future episodes.

      Even if no one watches it, there will be 100 episodes in the can produced.

      In the case of the Clone Wars, last I checked, 80ish episodes were finished. I imagine that 100 hours were storyboarded and the cuts for the episodes will come from that.
      I suspect that the live action will be slightly different as different directors will be involved. I imagine that a director will probably get a 1 to 6 hour segment and episodes cut from that.

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    2. Re:You left out the most important one: by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      If he edits later, does that mean he shoots first? /ducks for cover

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    3. Re:You left out the most important one: by rootofevil · · Score: 1

      no, han shoots first.

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    4. Re:You left out the most important one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greedo shot first, mothafucka!

    5. Re:You left out the most important one: by StalinsNotDead · · Score: 1

      Neither shoot. They now have walkie-talkies and talk out their differences.

      Oh wait. Wrong guy.

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    6. Re:You left out the most important one: by mink · · Score: 1
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  9. Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by DrXym · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Young Indiana Jones used horrible contrivances to get Indy to meet various famous historical figures. Expect any Star Wars TV series to do the same with characters from the movies. Oh and lots of phony CGI.

    1. Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      As opposed to real CGI?

    2. Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least it is not going to be the Adventures of Young Luke Skywalker.

    3. Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course not. That would be silly. It's going to follow a young Chewbacca; his awkward years. The humiliating defeat and associated downfall that drove him out of the Wookie Chess Club. The evening of the horrible swirlie at the hands of the lacrosse team. His attempts to prove himself by hand-building R2D2. And that pinnacle moment in his life when he joins the gun club and picks up his first bowcaster.

    4. Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      And perhaps the truth will finally come out

      "Rah row row row rooh roww!
      (Anakin, I am your father!)

      "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

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    5. Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by DrXym · · Score: 1
      At least it is not going to be the Adventures of Young Luke Skywalker.

      There's that at least. But if Young Indiana Jones is anything to go by, you can virtually guarantee that every episode will see the plot tangentially involve some recognizable character from the movies. An episode set on Tatooine is bound to see the main character "bump into" Shmi / Luke / Uncle Owen / Jabba or whoever. depending on the timeline.

      Rinse and repeat for every damned episode until you get sick of it.

    6. Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by halber_mensch · · Score: 1

      Young Indiana Jones used horrible contrivances to get Indy to meet various famous historical figures. Expect any Star Wars TV series to do the same with characters from the movies. Oh and lots of phony CGI.

      I knew you were going to say that. I have ESPN.

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    7. Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos by pluther · · Score: 1
      Yay!

      Because, you know, we just didn't get to see enough of Wookie home life in the Star Wars Holiday Special!

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  10. Cosmic Wars Ranch by bakamaki · · Score: 0

    "Here have some Jim-Jam cereal. It's just Alphabits with extra J's.

    1. Re:Cosmic Wars Ranch by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      I don't know what happened to Aplhabits cereal but it sucks now. It used to be a good puffed cereal but it tastes like cardboard now.

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    2. Re:Cosmic Wars Ranch by Pete+LaGrange · · Score: 1

      Your taste buds grew up.

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    3. Re:Cosmic Wars Ranch by bakamaki · · Score: 1

      I would agree that it's quality has declined. And if no one got my Simpsons joke than they really need to be cool about it.

  11. I can't help but be excited by janson0 · · Score: 1

    Despite all the controversy about the prequels, as one who is working on his 65th Star Wars novel, I can't help but be excited about more Star Wars at any time :) Hopefully, they learned some good lessons from the prequels. Maybe...

    1. Re:I can't help but be excited by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      Despite all the controversy about the prequels, as one who is working on his 65th Star Wars novel, I can't help but be excited about more Star Wars at any time :) Hopefully, they learned some good lessons from the prequels. Maybe... How do you do it? Seriously? I wrote letters to imams asking them to declare fatwas against Kevin J. Anderson for what he did to Star Wars. I picked up "I, Jedi" a few years back because I enjoyed Michael Stackpole's work on FASA books. It wasn't awful, it just wasn't good. I remembered the original Thrawn series as being quite good but I read those in high school. I haven't gone back to reread them for fear of finding out I just had poor taste back then.

      The problem with the Star Wars books is that they're twaddle. If they use original trilogy characters, they can't have anything interesting happen due to fear of damaging continuity. They're as bad as Star Trek novels that way. If the Wars novels go with author-created characters, everything still ends up sucking, bland, and uninteresting. There's no life to the stories, no spark, no reason to care.

      So how is it that you can find joy in them? Is this some sort of zen thing?
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    2. Re:I can't help but be excited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the novels are in the "EXPANDED" universe. They don't take place during the movie time frames, atleast most of them. With the Legacy series we are generations past the original movies. I am sure there are some confinements on what can be done with the characters, but these are the continuity. They killed Chewy for crying out loud. There all long gone and dead in the Legacy Comic series. Its completely different than this TV Series.

      It is also very possible to bring out new characters in the SW universe that are not the main characters from the film and have people care about them. Thrawn, Talon Karrde, Bane, Mara Jade, etc etc etc... From the Kotor games, and the Sith comics that took place thousands of years before A New Hope. SW is not about Luke Skywalker and Han Solo. Its much bigger and full of great characters if you took the time to get into it.

  12. Acting by Pentalon · · Score: 1

    By robots, he means high-quality, live-action actors under Lucas's direction, right?

    1. Re:Acting by x3rc3s · · Score: 2, Funny

      These are not the droids you are looking for.

  13. It's not all crap by PlatyPaul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As was briefly touched on in TFS, the stories of the bounty hunters from ESB actually make for an interesting read. Skip all of the "Expanded" crap, and take a look here:

    Tales of the Bounty Hunters
    ISBN-10: 0553568167
    ISBN-13: 978-0553568165

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    1. Re:It's not all crap by LameAssTheMity · · Score: 1
      By far, I think that the tale of IG-88 was my favorite.

      I wouldn't pass up the entire extended universe though, the Yuuzhan Vong invasion was pretty good.

    2. Re:It's not all crap by Mayhem178 · · Score: 1

      Tales of the Bounty Hunters was one of the worst Star Wars novels, right down there with Planet of Twilight and Crystal Star. In fact, most of the "Tales of the " books were so-so at best. I'm sorry, but when you make Boba Fett out to be a wussy chump, you lose my interest entirely. And the IG-88/Death Star thing? Completely and utterly retarded. Just reading that story completely ruins the flavor of RotJ; so I prefer to pretend that I never read it.

      As for the rest of the Star Wars novels, couldn't love them more. I don't know where you got this "Expanded crap" sentiment; I'm guessing that TotBH is one of the few, if not only, Star Wars novels you've read. The vast majority of the novels are great.

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    3. Re:It's not all crap by beckerist · · Score: 1

      So wait, does that mean that Mark Hamill is still out of a job?

    4. Re:It's not all crap by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, Hamill is still working. Among his roles, he's been the voice of the Joker in the DC Animated Universe since "Batman - The Animated Series." He has been outstanding in that role.

    5. Re:It's not all crap by tcc3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah lets not judge too harshly. Say what you will about "Expanded Universe" they don't live down to the infamy of the movie prequels.

    6. Re:It's not all crap by Enahs · · Score: 1

      Meh. That's a pretty mediocre collection. Aside from Zahn's Thrawn series (which would make an awesome film trilogy, but would put Lucas's offerings to shame) there's not that much in the extended universe that really offers much. Then again, we're talking about Star Wars, so it's frickin' awesome. I realize the second part sounds sarcastic (it's not) and that I sound like I'm contradicting myself, so rather than untangle the cognitive dissonance I just caused, I'll click 'Submit.'

      Kidding! If you want to continue the bounty hunters adventures, the Bounty Hunter Wars series has its moments. Wish Jeter had gone for a story line more about the Kuat drive yards, because there's obviously a talent there more for courtly intrigue than for action. And let's face it, Boba Fett demands someone who can write action.

      P.S. Anyone remember how, before Attack of the Clones came out, a story board was leaked that featured the Jango Fett/Obi-Wan fight on Camino, and loads of fans dismissed it as fake, some even going as far as to say it was 'too boring' to be real? Well...does that give anyone pause about Lucas's joking comment about the series being about droids? C'mon, Lucas, you already dumped a crappy droid cartoon on my generation. Don't do it to us again. Please, no R2/3P0 buddy series. Please, for the love of GOD and all that is HOLY, do NOT do that to us again.

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  14. "No Luke" FTW by Interl0per · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not that I don't love the iconic characters from the OT, but this is exactly what I've been hoping to see in live action. If Star Wars Revelations is any indication, these kinds of stories could be done on a modest budget with talented and under utilized actors that could elicit the fan response of a Han Solo -ish character while staying low-key enough to allow viewers to be swept up into the absolutely huge and mysterious setting. I think it would be an absolute blast to throw some of the Empire's more obscure minions into the spotlight as a foil to some rebellious or independent spacers on the fringe (a la "Firefly"), similar to some of the plots in the old animated "Star Wars: Droids" from the 80s.

    1. Re:"No Luke" FTW by tim_darklighter · · Score: 1

      Or go the route of TIE Fighter (the game) and tell a story from an Imperial soldier's/officer's point of view. That would be much more interesting than another rebel story. After all, not everyone employed by the Empire could have been pure evil. They did have custodial staff on the Death Star right? ;)

    2. Re:"No Luke" FTW by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      these kinds of stories could be done on a modest budget with talented and under utilized actors
      And what are the chances that this is the path George Lucas will take? GEORGE LUCAS? Exacly.
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    3. Re:"No Luke" FTW by bryguy5 · · Score: 1

      Of course you would need to go a comedy route. Kind of a Red Dwarf anti-adventure. As bad as the last installments have been making it intentionally laughable would be a wise move (Lego Star Wars, Chad Vader -- all the good stuff is comedy). The Imperial Janitor Squad having to contatly clean up all the mess of blown up storm troopers and chocked to death officers along with some imperial beaurocrat.

      I don't really expect George Lucas would make fun of his franchise or allow someone else to do it with official baking from his Studio.

    4. Re:"No Luke" FTW by sYn+pHrEAk · · Score: 1
    5. Re:"No Luke" FTW by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "They did have custodial staff on the Death Star right? ;)"

      You should go rent "Clerks" and spare us the agony of someone posting the conversation the lead characters had about all the contractors working on the Death Star :-)

  15. Oblig Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Pray that I do not alter it further." - George Lucas

  16. Cry some more by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cue the whining! Oh no, Lucas is making a TV series I don't have to watch, and wouldn't have to pay any extra money for if I do watch it!

    Whatever. What is with everyone thinking Lucas should never do anything Star Wars again because it won't be as good as the originals? So he isn't going to top his early work, so what? I'm sure it will still be better than most the other crap I'd normally watch. Personally, I think some of the other works have had great plots. In some cases, poor execution, but the good far outweighed the bad.

    1. Re:Cry some more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think the prequels are better than the 'crap' you normally watch, your standards must be incredibly low....

    2. Re:Cry some more by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well done lightsaber duals? Check.

      Cool looking robots fighting? Check.

      Chase scene through asteroid field? Check.

      Space battles? Check.

      Wookies fighting robots? Check.

      Yoda decapitating whatever is in his way? Check.

      Excellent CGI? Check.

      So there was some weak lines in it and Jar Jar was poor comic relief. Still way better than most movies.

    3. Re:Cry some more by andphi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Enormous Plot Holes? (The Jedi are mysterious, subtle, mystical monks in 4, 5, 6, and 1 and target practice in 2 and 3.)

      Inverse Ninja Effect? (Two Sith vs hundreds of Jedi.)

      One and Two Dimensional Characters?

      Insipid Romance?

      Huge CGI sets which swallow the cast?

    4. Re:Cry some more by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whatever. What is with everyone thinking Lucas should never do anything Star Wars again because it won't be as good as the originals?
      you haven't seen his later movies have you?
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    5. Re:Cry some more by eviloverlordx · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Every time George Lucas or Star Wars comes up, you can just sense the impending flamage like a disturbance in the Force. These people seem to think that the original trilogy was some sort of exercise in great film making. Sorry, it just wasn't. It was the same whiz-bang special effects fest that the prequel trilogy is, simply with older SFX tech. They just need to get over themselves.

      For the record: Star Wars was the first movie that I ever saw in a theater back in '77. I've seen both the OT and PT more times than I can remember.

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    6. Re:Cry some more by Spellvexit · · Score: 1

      Another poster also said that the new material shouldn't have any detrimental effect on the older stuff, and that should be true. It's just that, true fans do want to see more Star Wars material, and some of the unnecessary revisionist choices in the prequels felt rather insulting. Darth Vader made C-3P0 as a kid? Being able to wield the force is due to cooties in your bloodstream? Sacrilege!

      I thought the clone wars cartoons were fairly cool despite their simplicity, for the very fact that they introduced new characters and didn't dwell on pointless cameos. Is it really necessary that Boba Fett was the father to every clone out there AND tussled with Obi-Wan -- AND has requested his own personal clone so that he can catch Han Solo? That's not imagination, it's contrivance. When does it become visionary inspiration drawn from the rich tapestry of the Star Wars universe rather than drivel shoehorned into the plot in order to cling desperately to pre-existing characters?

      Why does the fate of the universe pivot around a dozen or so guys?

      By all means, make new material. And when I say new, I mean no more R2-D2, man!

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    7. Re:Cry some more by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      the problem is that the myth evolved quite nicely in the 25 years up to the prequels... the Lucas shot the whole feel of the series down with the new movies. Considering much of what was in books, comics, games, etc was approved/influenced by Lucas directly fans expected more from the "official" films.

    8. Re:Cry some more by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "What is with everyone thinking Lucas should never do anything Star Wars again because it won't be as good as the originals?"

      Not as good as the originals? If the prequels were 3/4ths as good as the originals there'd be far less negativity towards the franchise.

      What is with Star Wars prequel fans not getting the complaints about the films even though they've been talked to death since 99? "Annakin accidently got into a ship, accidently took off, accidently joined the battle, and accidently destroyed the Trade Federation's capital ship. My hero!"

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    9. Re:Cry some more by Rai · · Score: 1

      Agreed. True fans will appreciate the new material even if they don't think it's as good as the original stuff. Fanboy-purists will never be happy with anything outside the original trilogy...never! Luckily, I think the good folks at LucasFilm have long since realized this and learned to ignore their whining.

    10. Re:Cry some more by ednopantz · · Score: 1

      If you think the prequels are better than the 'crap' you normally watch, your standards must be incredibly low....

      DING!! DING!! DING!!

    11. Re:Cry some more by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 1

      Is it really necessary that Boba Fett was the father to every clone out there AND tussled with Obi-Wan

      First of all, Jango Fett is the father of all the clones. Boba is a clone of Jango. Second of all, Obi Wan is on the Jedi Counsel. There are millions of clones being ordered in their name mysteriously at a time when Jedi are concerned of a large plot brewing. It would make sense that he, or at least another counsel member, would go investigate. Jango Fett is already wanted by the Jedi for an attempted assassination. So it would also make sense that there would be a confrontation between them. Also, I didn't hear any mention of Jango wanting a clone for the purpose of catching Han Solo. Just that he wanted an pure clone, not modified to be more docile. Which would explain why the clones sucked in comparison.

      The whole point of the prequels was to give the backstory to the characters in the original. I don't see how you could logically NOT focus so much on them. Since in the originals, the fate of the universe rested in the hands of a few, why would it not during their backstory?

      The original made it a point that the droids R2D2 and 3CPO had a history with Obi Wan, so they made a logical tie in.

    12. Re:Cry some more by fatlaces · · Score: 1

      Light saber duels were ultra lame. In the originals the sword fighting was more aggressive and samurai-like. The new movies it was just watching the fencing, and gymnastics of the olympics pasted together with CGI, with some ballet tossed in.

      The original series was about Luke coming of age and being a man and then about confronting his own evil. The new movies were just nonsense action with anakin turning to the dark side without any inner struggle or thought of his personal morals of jedi code.

      low quality, boring, and generic.

    13. Re:Cry some more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These things do not a good movie make.

    14. Re:Cry some more by oatworm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Enormous Plot Holes? (The Jedi are mysterious, subtle, mystical monks in 4, 5, 6, and 1 and target practice in 2 and 3.) It's not like Episodes 4-6 were light on the plot holes, either. "Empire" is almost completely isolated from Episode 4 - suddenly, Leia goes from cute girl that Luke kisses to being his sister while Vader goes from being a completely mysterious bad guy that has some relation with Obi-Wan and killed Luke's father to being Luke's father. Oh, and, apparently, the Empire has enough resources lying around to not only ward off an insurrection but build a second moon-sized Death Star? Perhaps if they just spent the money on doubling their Star Destroyers, they wouldn't need to keep fighting the Rebellion off with big, highly destructive targets.

      Inverse Ninja Effect? (Two Sith vs hundreds of Jedi.) In the prequels, the Sith were the Ninjas. They won, remember? That was the entire point - they came from seemingly nowhere and completely overwhelemed the forces of good, in much the same way that the forces of good did that to them in Episodes 4-6.

      One and Two Dimensional Characters? At least Boba Fett got a dimension this time around. Han Solo wasn't terribly well developed, either, if you stop and think about it. He's a swashbuckler with heart of gold; that's about it. Luke and Darth Vader were probably the only characters fleshed out beyond a "Write a short paragraph about the character" point, which makes sense since they were the focal characters.

      Insipid Romance? At least nobody kissed their sister this time around. The only reason the Han-Leia romance was even remotely bearable is that Harrison Ford is really, really good at what he does. Besides, how insipid are most romances in the real world, anyways?

      Huge CGI sets which swallow the cast? Umm... Lucas basically invented CGI to pull off the original trilogy. By the standards of the time, the original trilogy had an overwhelming amount of special effects, too.

      Look, don't get me wrong - I'm not a huge fan of the prequels, either. The problem with prequels, especially with ones with as much time between the original movies and the prequels, is that it's very difficult to make it look like the past is really the "past". If you don't get what I'm taking about, compare the polish of your average "Enterprise" episode with TOS. When you're dealing with sci-fi, you can't really do that. Besides, I'm not sure the prequels were all that necessary. But, that's just my take.
    15. Re:Cry some more by ddrichardson · · Score: 1

      You know, like most Slashdot readers I grew up with Star Wars and really didn't think much to the three new films.

      But the strange thing is, that my kids all think the new films are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I can't help but wonder if in 10 or 15 years they are going to be telling their kids that Star Wars VII, VIII and IX were an abomination and they should really watch the "original" I, II and III.

      I guess maybe it's a product of age and the way we feel about such a strong part of our childhoods.

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    16. Re:Cry some more by andphi · · Score: 1

      > At least Boba Fett got a dimension this time around. Han Solo wasn't terribly well developed,
      > either, if you stop and think about it. He's a swashbuckler with heart of gold; that's about it.
      > Luke and Darth Vader were probably the only characters fleshed out beyond a "Write a short
      > paragraph about the character" point, which makes sense since they were the focal characters.

      I disagree. In the un-mucked-with originals, the first thing we see Han do is commit murder. Granted that he's got a blaster pointed at his face and is likely to be killed by Jabba if he goes quietly, so it's sort of, kind of self-defense, but it's still murder. He changes significantly over the course of the movies.

      > Umm... Lucas basically invented CGI to pull off the original trilogy. By the standards of the time, > the original trilogy had an overwhelming amount of special effects, too.

      I have to concede most of your points, I think, including the point about comparisons and nostalgia.

  17. Well I hope its good, but not holding my breath! by olddotter · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As a long time Star Wars fan, I was badly disappointed with the prequels. I'd like this to be good, but I'll watch it with low expectations.

  18. Will this be a SitCom? by erroneus · · Score: 1

    I have to wonder 'cause I know it's not a "reality show"... at least I hope not. "Who wants to be a Jedi?" would be a snazzy title though...

    1. Re:Will this be a SitCom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think you can use the Force?

  19. Battlestar Galactica by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Battlestar Galactica has proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget these days.

    Unfortunately for Lucasarts, anything they're likely to produce probably won't turn out half as good as Battlestar - which is kind of ironic considering that the original Battlestar Galactica really began as a Star Wars ripoff (or at least was discounted as such by critics at the time).

    Really, though, BSG really beat the Star Wars prequel at their own game - the vintage tech and mannerisms give the Battlestar Galactica universe the old-school, 'epic' feel that the original SW trilogy had and the prequels lacked.

    The kid in me really wants to see some Star Wars in the flavor of the original trilogy, though. Perhaps being constrained to a TV budget will actually help it meet that end - real props instead of 100% CGI backgrounds and 50% CGI characters; plot-and-character-driven instead of flashy lightsaber battles, etc.

    1. Re:Battlestar Galactica by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Battlestar Galactica has proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget these days
      Firefly too; Man I wish that show hadn't been canceled.
    2. Re:Battlestar Galactica by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Battlestar Galactica has proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget these days. Visually, I'll have to agree with you. The whole bit about having to use wired phones and paper printouts on computers is a bit silly but the overall look of the show is polished and competent. The space CGI is breathtaking. The actors also managed to portray themselves and deliver lines with convincing aplomb. But, and this is key, BSG demonstrates that you still need writers and a frickin' plan to avoid going off into stupid land. As has already been demonstrated, the Cylons did not have a plan because the writers themselves never knew what it was. You don't start writing a murder mystery without having already worked the crime out in your head so you can lay the proper clues leading up to the killer. Work without a plan and you wind up with surprise Cylon sleeper agents listening to Bob Dylan on their toaster ipods.

      Unfortunately for Lucasarts, anything they're likely to produce probably won't turn out half as good as Battlestar - which is kind of ironic considering that the original Battlestar Galactica really began as a Star Wars ripoff (or at least was discounted as such by critics at the time). That's the funny thing. The best stories come when one or more people say "Damnit, I've got a tale that needs to be told. Who do I have to beat over the head to make this happen?" The worst stories tend to happen when a suit says "It's about time to crank another one off, I want some money." Sometimes the suit can find someone with a story worth telling and put them in charge but not often. The suits don't care.

      Really, though, BSG really beat the Star Wars prequel at their own game - the vintage tech and mannerisms give the Battlestar Galactica universe the old-school, 'epic' feel that the original SW trilogy had and the prequels lacked. The worst kind of writing is where characters feel like they're jerked along through a plot because of what's written on paper. The best kind of writing lets you feel like everything has already happened for real, true and human reasons and the writer is just letting you in on what happened, recording it as it occurred. The same goes for directing. The nuTrilogy looked like unconvincing cheesy greenscreen because it was unconvincing cheesy greenscreen and the actors just couldn't sell it as anything but. Compare this with actors in a theater who can convince you anything is happening when standing on a frickin' stage. It's not a failure or limitation of the craft, it's a failure of the director to make the magic happen.

      The kid in me really wants to see some Star Wars in the flavor of the original trilogy, though. Perhaps being constrained to a TV budget will actually help it meet that end - real props instead of 100% CGI backgrounds and 50% CGI characters; plot-and-character-driven instead of flashy lightsaber battles, etc. The only thing that could save a new Star Wars project is if you could get someone with a big brassy set of balls in charge, like a Joss or a JMS, give them the budget and authority to make it happen, stand back and let them go to work. But that's not going to happen. What you're going to get is a Lucas or a that idiot from Paramount whose name I'm blocking out who ran Trek into the ground after Rodenberry died, you'll just get some talentless hack or minion of Satan like Uwe Boll involved and it will turn into another festering, rotting, diseased pile of sludge with the Star Wars label affixed to it like an olive on a toothpick poking out of the top of a turd sandwich. Bon appetit, bitches.
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    3. Re:Battlestar Galactica by andyh3930 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason why Firefly and BSG works so well is that the episodes are character driven first, great plots second and cemented with FX. You get to know them, hate them, love them, feel for them, with Firefly who wouldn't would to travel aboard Serenity. Joss wrote them as people you'd meet down the street, Star Wars and the Trek canon, its all to black and white goodies and baddies, life ain't like that. Picard trolls around the galaxy with his shiny Starship that can blow nearly anything out of the black, so they can afford their Prime Directive and when they can't they, the writers use some Dues Ex Machina to get round the problem. Thats turns boring real soon. In BSG and Firefly you have to fight, fight or die. It becomes interesting, right and wrong are shades of grey and you might think that some of the things the 'good' characters do are wrong and the 'bad' characters good. Mal shot First!! (Shiny)

    4. Re:Battlestar Galactica by just_forget_it · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of the reason people prefer TOS to the TNG-era series. Kirk regularly went against the high-minded principles of the Federation. He was a swash-buckling rebel while Picard, Janeway, and--to a much smaller extent--Sisko were all straight-laced robots that couldn't wait to quote Federation laws and uphold Federation principles at every possible opportunity. Granted, they did go against orders once in a while, but it was always a big deal and they always made the same speech to their bridge crew ("I'm about to violate a direct order from Starfleet Command, does anyone object?" -- as if anyone ever does, then the logical robot and/or Vulcan will inevitably say something out-of-character). Kirk didn't have time for principles and speeches to the bridge crew, he was about getting things done.

      Firefly and BSG definitely brought out that "real life" feeling that Sci-Fi TV DESPERATELY needs. I'd personally love to see a gritty, real-life version of Star Trek. I had hoped that's what Enterprise would offer, but instead it was the same old crap with a smaller, uglier bridge.

    5. Re:Battlestar Galactica by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      So, if Star Wars DOES become as good as BSG & as Firefly, then can we say that Star Wars ripped THEM off? Ironic, turnabout. The original BSG was not nearly as good as the current BSG, nor as Star Wars, as some would say. Now, we get to see if the NEW Star Wars series/prequel/whatever will be worse than the original BSG or Star Wars. I just can't see Star Wars making people laugh, cry, alternately root for the bad guy/good guy, reflect/ponder and TOUCH, resonate with the human psyche nearly as nicely as "BSG retold" does. At least, it can't for me.

      (I once walked out on Star Wars, the one in 1999, in SF, on Geary and 3rd area, and people were gasping, shocked that anyone would. Heads actually TURNED in our direction. Well, it was my then-girlfriend, and these ASSHOLES (group of 4 or 5 ppl) had a wet seat between them, and I OFFERED to take the wet seat, just so I could sit next to my girlfriend, and they snickered, the kind of males they were, jeered as if they were not going to let this couple enjoy being side-by-side. (It was a FULL house, and seemed only 3 seats were empty-- the wet one and two separated seats separated by these jerks...)

      I was hurt, and it felt undignified. She was hurt, too, considering it was he first year to the US (from China) and expected BETTER of such hard-core, devoted, seemingly-nice fans of an iconic American fi... movie. So, I nodded askingly and we joined up and left. I felt a sense of sadness and gratification to WALK OUT in only 10 minutes. It was the most sad walk-out, even tho I was there for HER, not for myself (I am a Trek/BST/Crusade/etc fan), and I still have not seen that issue of Star wars.)

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    6. Re:Battlestar Galactica by initialE · · Score: 1

      Getting things. Done. While! Getting. Laid. Who wouldn't?

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    7. Re:Battlestar Galactica by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well sometimes some No-Names Officers walk out... I think they come back the next seasons as Admirals or Star Ship Captains. Sure you saved the Universe but they guy who didn't follow illegal orders seemed to get promoted.

      On a Side-Note Janeway got promoted to Admiral pretty Darn Quick considering the fact that She wasn't around for a couple Major Wars. I guess that what happens if you can create hi-technology that would take teams of engineers back home years to accomplish in one hour with a trained Secuirty Officer, a pilot, a holographic doctor, a field trained engineer with a bad temper, and a geek.

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    8. Re:Battlestar Galactica by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      >>The only thing that could save a new Star Wars project is if you could get someone with a big brassy set of balls in charge...

      I don't know if they need to be big and brassy; I think just someone other than Lucas would go a long way. The Clone Wars time period would have a lot of potential for a series, but it would need to be a real drama, not kid-friendly, merchandising machine crap that you know Lucas will do.

      It would even be interesting to give different directors a few episodes each to do their own story arc.

    9. Re:Battlestar Galactica by Jedi+Holocron · · Score: 1

      Battlestar Galactica has proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget these days.

      Babylon 5, more accurately, had proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget long before the current Battlestar Galactica.
    10. Re:Battlestar Galactica by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      On the topic of DS9:

      There's a military coup at one point. On Earth. Sisko defies orders repeatedly, holds an Admiral at gunpoint (phaserpoint?), and the Defiant engages another starfleet ship in combat, damages it, and (IIRC) kills some of the crew in the process.

      A secret and very much illegal organization is found to be operating with apparent approval of the super-high-ups in Starfleet, doing all kinds of mean and nasty things.

      Pick a random episode from the series, and you've got better than even odds that if it deals with Starfleet in any significant way, the portrayal will be fairly negative.

      The Trek world comes out looking nearly dystopic by the end of that series. The only things I can think of in TNG that come close (and aren't attributable to mind-control aliens or some shit like that) are Riker's history with that one captain whose crew mutinied and got killed when they tried to use that phase-through-matter device, and the peace treaty with Cardassia (which is much, much more fleshed out in DS9). Voyager barely deals with Starfleet at all, obviously, and TOS is so wildly different from the other series that I don't really get how it can be held in the same continuity without some serious cognitive dissonance.

      Kirk breaks rules because failing to do so would be morally indefensible, generally. Same with Picard for the most part.

      Sisko breaks rules because Starfleet is a tremendously flawed organization with all of the same problems one would expect from a present-day government. Definitely the least "sanitized" of the series.

      IMO, DS9 came the closest of any Trek to offering what you talk about as far as grittiness and a more realistic-feeling universe, which is why it's my favorite. BSG, of course, has nailed that kind of "feel" in a way that no other series I can think of ever has.

      As for Star Wars, a lot of my complaints about the new movies had to do with how different all of the tech seemed from the old trilogy. Say what you will about the models, those damned Star Destroyers and X-Wings looked like you could rub your hand along the hull and feel cold metal. Not so with the CGI crap. They had a solid, practical, and used feeling that Lucasarts failed to replicate in the prequels, which boggles my mind since the authors and artists of the extended universe had come up with enough new vehicles to fill SEVERAL movies, and 9/10 times those designs looked like they belonged in the Star Wars universe. I can't think of a single thing from the Prequels about which I can make the same statement. WTF happened?

    11. Re:Battlestar Galactica by deadtree9 · · Score: 1

      The thing to remember here is Lucas OWNS ILM. That means he can give himself a HUGE discount on the special effects, effectively being able to do things other TV producers could only dream of.

      Now whether or not that's a good thing........

    12. Re:Battlestar Galactica by F1re · · Score: 1

      In space yes, but the cgi of buildings was horrible!

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    13. Re:Battlestar Galactica by psychicninja · · Score: 1

      Parent post clearly and concisely illustrates the need for a +1,000,000,000 Insightful moderation option.

    14. Re:Battlestar Galactica by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      I don't know if they need to be big and brassy; I think just someone other than Lucas would go a long way. The Clone Wars time period would have a lot of potential for a series, but it would need to be a real drama, not kid-friendly, merchandising machine crap that you know Lucas will do. On the face of it, a droid army sounds like a terrifying concept. We're talking skynet and terminator here, a horrific force to unleash against a peaceful world. And instead we got cute little dipstick-bots. If one of those things shot me, I'd be offended. It's astounding how a bad director and a bad vision can completely suck the life out of a story that should be riveting.
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    15. Re:Battlestar Galactica by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      Kirk regularly went against the high-minded principles of the Federation. He was a swash-buckling rebel while Picard, Janeway, and--to a much smaller extent--Sisko were all straight-laced robots that couldn't wait to quote Federation laws and uphold Federation principles at every possible opportunity.

      Show me one place where Kirk violates the Federation's principles. Sure, he violates regulations, but it's almost always to uphold some high-minded principle (loyalty to your best friend, etc.) Then watch perhaps the greatest of all DS9 episodes, "In The Pale Moonlight", where Sisko outright betrays the principles of the Federation and adopts the methods of one of Star Trek's "villainous" races, simply because he needed to.

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  20. Uh oh.... by Sneftel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots" but wouldn't let any details slip about the true premise

    Ten years ago, I would have assumed he was kidding.
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  21. Another Oblig Quote by myawn · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I've got a bad feeling about this"

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  22. Thanks, George! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

    Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we've just lost our happy memories, but what we've seen speaks for itself. The Star Wars universe has apparently been taken over -- 'conquered' if you will -- by a master race of lucky pseudo-talented hacks. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether the leader George will consume the captive audience or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping him; the hack will soon be here.

    And I, for one, welcome our childhood-destroying overlords. I'd like to remind George that as a trusted member of the geekdom, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in his underground mass merchandising caves.

    --
    Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
  23. In Imperial Mos Eisley... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Han Solo Shoots first >_

  24. George please, just stop. by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 1

    There is nothing funny down this road. No good can come of this. Let's the franchise become a classic by doing no more in it instead of raping it to death over and over and over.

    And over.

  25. Color me "who the fuck cares anymore" by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not going to say George Lucas raped my childhood. That's hyperbolic and silly. What he did was run a very fun series straight into the ground. As a kid I was "yay, Star Wars!" As a teen I was still "yay, nostalgia!" Right up until the CGI-addled re-release I as "yay, I could watch these movies once a year and never get bored." Then Phantom Menace came out. "Huh, that was Star Wars?" By ROTS I'm "Meh, Star Wars." Watching the movies once a year around Christmastime was a family tradition. Well, I'll pick up the DVD version of the untouched original trilogy -- used, so Lucas doesn't make any more money, but that'll be my last Star Wars purchase. The expanded universe is boring, the games are uninspired, the "property" is being treated like a "franchise" and I just can't work up a shit to give about it.

    Firefly was like the new Star Wars, a wild west space opera. That's the kind of wit and energy that should be brought to a new Star Wars project and it's just something we're not going to see. Lord of the Rings is now my big epic trilogy to watch over the holidays.

    --
    Kwisatz Haderach
    Sell the spice to CHOAM
    This Mahdi took Shaddam's Throne
    1. Re:Color me "who the fuck cares anymore" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Lord of the Rings is now my big epic trilogy to watch over the holidays."

      Ah, yes...the walking movie.

  26. the only star wars thing I'm waiting for is. . . by rev_sanchez · · Score: 1

    Knights of the Old Republic 3. Don't tie the story to the first two and add a few more bells and whistles and I'm happy.

    --
    If you didn't come to party don't bother knocking on my door. Prince '1999'
  27. A word of advice to Lucas... by Bullfish · · Score: 1

    What made the original Star Trek was the fact they had some of the best science fiction writers of the day doing stories for the series. The later series began using a team of staff writers and their incestuous and gratuitous ideas ultimately killed the franchise. A series like Star Wars can work, as the Star Wars universe is so large, but it has to have good stories. Soliciting from a number of writers from the upper ends of the sci-fi writing community would be great. A stable of hacks, not so good...

    1. Re:A word of advice to Lucas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure some big name sci-fi writers would jump at the chance to play in a Star Wars sandbox but why not use this as an opportunity to bring back the old Star Trek system of fan submissions? Once you get past the mountains of horrible fanfic this might be a way to find some new talent.

    2. Re:A word of advice to Lucas... by Ubergrendle · · Score: 1

      I'm sure some big name sci-fi writers would jump at the chance to play in a Star Wars sandbox but why not use this as an opportunity to bring back the old Star Trek system of fan submissions? Once you get past the mountains of horrible fanfic this might be a way to find some new talent.

      No, they wouldn't. Because Star Wars is, at best, Space Opera and at worst, bad Space Fantasy. Its not about the technology, or about characters, or about plot, it does nothing to explore man's role in the universe. Its a backdrop to have cool sword battles, weird looking aliens, and epic storylines. You apply just a tad bit too much logic to the star wars universe, and it goes 'poof!' up in smoke.

      Most sci-fi writers now wouldn't even touch Star Trek with a 10' pole. There's frankly very little 'good' sci-fi out in media today, BSG being one exception and Firefly is the defunct alternative.

      --
      John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
  28. This is a good thing by geekoid · · Score: 1

    If it sucks, don't watch it, but at least there is a chance it will be good. What would be wrong with a good sci-fi show?

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  29. Looks like he's chosen the cast already by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots" Starring Hayden Christensen.

  30. What are you talking about? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Did he stick a shrimp fork up your nose and poke your brain until you forgot about your childhood?

    Did he use some sort of ray to change your memories?

    Are you stupid?

    I have great memories of going to the thater to watch star wars many, many time. I had many fantastic conversation as a boy about star wars.

    No matter what stink turd Lucas lays, he can't take those memories away.

    And on a more specific note: He won't make you watch it.

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    1. Re:What are you talking about? by sykodoc · · Score: 1

      Please just keep the shrimp forks you keep borrowing, okay? thanks.

      --
      "Our enemies will talk themselves to death and we will bury them in their own confusion!"
    2. Re:What are you talking about? by absoluteflatness · · Score: 1

      When the post you're replying to is just partially-relevant words substituted into lines from "The Simpsons", I think it can be safely ignored, or treated as a poor attempt at comedy.

      Slightly better than just "I, for one, welcome our new blank overlords", but not by enough.

  31. CSI: Tattooine by erroneus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Look sir, Droids!"

    1. Re:CSI: Tattooine by gotem · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Forget it, something tells me these are not the droids we are looking for"

    2. Re:CSI: Tattooine by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      [Standing next to the sandcrawler]

      [Removes sunglasses]

      "Drive by, Tattoine style"

      "YEAAAHHHHHHH!!!"

  32. I'll just wait and see. by Amazetbm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Instead of ranting, I'll reserve my judgment until I see what they've developed. The animated series looks like it could be half-way decent. But then again, that was only a trailer.

    --
    He who laughs last...probably didn't get the joke.
  33. The Right Solution by TheRhino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    McCallum is interviewing writers for the live-action series. Here's a tip for you, Rick: Stop the interviews. Hire Timothy Zahn as the head writer. Then hire any combination of Michael Stackpole, A.C. Crispin, Kevin Anderson, and Kristine Kathryn Rusch as his staff. There. Done. Let Lucas cast the vision, but leave the rest up to Zahn and his team. And for the director, get Joss Whedon. Seriously. I can't stress this enough. He would do it exactly right.

    1. Re:The Right Solution by San-LC · · Score: 3, Funny

      Kevin Anderson? Really? You DO know he wrote Darksaber, right? And made Palpatine rise from the dead? And made a new Death Star? Good lord, if we had KJA writing for a TV show, it might as well be called "The Young and the Alliance." We'd have Admirals having amnesia every few hours and random people coming back from the dead to try and TAKE OVER THE GALAXY. Space Soap Opera, Ahoy!

    2. Re:The Right Solution by jjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You actually want Kevin Anderson to leave his poop trailings all over a Star Wars TV show? His rape of the Dune universe wasn't sufficient?

      Well, after the first three I suppose the whole property can't be any more degraded...

      --
      Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
    3. Re:The Right Solution by MicktheMech · · Score: 1

      And for the director, get Joss Whedon. Seriously. I can't stress this enough. He would do it exactly right.

      Because Joss Whedon has such a great record extending venerable series. Granted, he was a writer in that case.
    4. Re:The Right Solution by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      Beats the hell out of Rusch's crap. She'd be the first one off the list, were I editing it. KJA would be second.

      The others can stay. Zahn, Stackpole, and Crispin have all shown that they are better at writing stories set in the SW universe than Lucas is, by far.

    5. Re:The Right Solution by ross.w · · Score: 1

      Strongly agree with this. Timothy Zahn's novels are the best in the set bar none. If George Lucas had used him to write Episodes 1-3 they would have been far better.

      --
      If my call is important, why am I talking to a recording?
  34. The True Premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Squeeze every last penny out of the Star Wars saga until we all hate it.

    I'm sure whatever over-CGI'ed 30-minute glorified toy commercial that follows will make the Star Wars Holiday Special look like Academy Award material.

  35. Re:the only star wars thing I'm waiting for is. . by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    I must agree. KOTOR 1 was a FAR more intriguing and interesting story than anything shown in the prequels.

    Of course, there were some bad ones in that bunch too. Remember the old Jedi Knight? (aka Dark Forces 2) That was the first game I ever saw rendered on a 3d accelerated system (3dfx Voodoo, and it rocked at the time). Gameplay wasn't bad, but man the story was stupid. This guy, who looks like 30-ish, just finds a lightsaber, and through some video recordings of an old buddy he learns to be an extremely powerful Jedi. It's like a friggen Jedi home study course from ITT Tech! Now, even before the new series kinda established that Jedi training is EXTREMELY intensive and a kid at about 8 years old was considered too far gone to start training, this game still seemed incredibly stupid in that regard.

    --
    "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
  36. Look, I understand the nerd love of Star Wars... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

    But how much more are we going to milk this stuff?

    Let it die, let new sci-fi pave the way. The problem is we have such hardcore lovers that want Star Wars EVERYTHING that we miss out on what could be really great stuff.

    Case in point: Firefly.

    That's a series I would have loved to see continue.

    --
    The price is always right if someone else is paying.
  37. done in 97 thanks to Troops by tyroneking · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. Re:done in 97 thanks to Troops by VampBoy · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, I was just thinking that and all the other fan-made Star Wars films.

      Perhaps if they did something akin to Troops ala Rouge Squadron or the 181st Imperial Fighter Group, they could do some nice CG battles.

      --
      the cake is a lie
    2. Re:done in 97 thanks to Troops by tyroneking · · Score: 1

      Remember the Gangsta Rap? So cool...

  38. I'd have to give the opposite advice by vecctor · · Score: 1

    I think people should read everything BUT the NJO (Yuuzhan Vong) series of books. I stopped reading after the first few of those.

    The Zhan Trilogy, the Corellian Trilogy, the Jedi Academy Trilogy and the X-Wing series are where it is at.

    --
    Why, yes I have been touched by His noodly appendage. And I plan to sue.
    1. Re:I'd have to give the opposite advice by quest(answer)ion · · Score: 1

      don't hate me for this, because i know exactly how bad the NJO series could be at times, but i suggest you pick them up again--selectively. much of NJO was terrible, but if you read the novels by a few of the authors, like Karen Traviss, Michael A. Stackpole, and Timothy Zahn, those authors manage to do interesting things with characters, at least, in the much later SW books.

      the star wars EU may be just a huge fan-fiction community with a Lucas stamp of approval, but there are some gems to be had even in books written long after the proverbial shark has been jumped and the proverbial horse beaten to death.

      --
      /. is what happens when geeks talk. get used to it.
  39. Again 4 -5- 6 -1-2-3 by F4_W_weasel · · Score: 1

    Look, this one is easy to bet, he will tell the story backwards, no it is not in flashback, it is really backwards...
    So watch the last episode, on the pilot show...

  40. Star Wars sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except for the original trilogy

    1. Re:Star Wars sucks by neminem · · Score: 1

      Also anything written by Zahn.

  41. jar jar dies in first episode by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Guaranteed highest rated show on TV if jar-jar dies an appallingly brutal death in the first 5 minutes.

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    stuff |
    1. Re:jar jar dies in first episode by markbt73 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I heard it was going to be about Jar-Jar solving murders. In a little gray trench coat.

      "Meesa just want to know one more ting..."

      --
      "Oh boy! Are we going to try something dangerous?"
  42. Knights of the Old Republic by ni1s · · Score: 1

    I know a lot of us Star Wars fans don't have time to play games now a days, but if you do, pick up a copy of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, and maybe the sequel, Sith Lords. These games have the best story, characters and immersiveness to ever hit the Star Wars scene past the original triology. As a bouns, they even play nice with Wine. It sure brought me back!

    1. Re:Knights of the Old Republic by tinmanbt · · Score: 1

      I agree, those games had awesome stories, especially the first one. After I played through it, I definitely thought the story blew away Episodes I, II, and III. The second one, Sith Lords, was a little more convoluted but still good.

  43. TV? by doublefrost · · Score: 2, Funny

    There aren't the TV shows you're looking for.

  44. And in retrospect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait a minute, this news is so old it's already retro.

  45. Torrent! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Informative

    http [colon] [slash] [slash] thepiratebay [dot] org [slash] tor [slash] 3264309 [slash] The_Star_Wars_Holiday_Special

    Warning: Not for the faint-hearted. Users who disliked goatse, be warned.

  46. Re:Look, I understand the nerd love of Star Wars.. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    But how much more are we going to milk this stuff?

    That stuff isn't milk anymore. It slowly degenerated into the following stages: butter, requesón, cheese, rotten cheese, fungus breeding ground, komodo dragon saliva, chemically unstable methane generator, mad-cow disease pryons, zombifying biological agent, and finally, George Lucas' brain cells' chemicals.

  47. Another Holiday Special, please! by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I would like, nay DEMAND, another Christmas special. I want to see Chewbacca trimming the tree and Jar Jar Binks pulling Santa's Landspeeder followed by a Storm Trooper chorus of holiday favorites.

    --
    It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  48. Robot Chicken by korbin_dallas · · Score: 1

    Hey George,

    Get Seth Green to help ya out there, his star wars stuff is funny sh!t.
    The Family Guy spoof was even better.

    --
    They Live, We Sleep
  49. I have a bad feeling about this... by bankman · · Score: 1

    For some strange reason, Lucas is still trying to milk this cow and very likely pissing off the sagas fans in the process. Though I have to admit, there is still hope as long as he doesn't decide to write or direct.

    --
    I feel so sig.
  50. NO SINGING! by Mr.+BS · · Score: 1

    As long as it doesn't have a frackin' holiday episode, I'm cool with this!

  51. Hans? by Main+Gauche · · Score: 1

    hansshotfirst (tagging beta)

    Even the names aren't sacred anymore!

  52. Different Universes. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The most recent trilogy happens in a parallel universe, OK? Obi Wan's age and Luke's age do not align in both universes. Vader's age has the same problem, though it's hard to know for sure because of Dark Side aging effects. For these two movie trilogies to be in the same universe, Obiwan has to have aged about 100 years ("surely he must be dead by now", plus his appearance, and Jedi longevity) in the amount of time Luke ages 16. I'm simply unwilling to accept that baby Luke and Leia were put into hibernation to make the two line up.

    Happy now?

    --
    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  53. If you're going to be obligatory... by oatworm · · Score: 1

    You might as well do it right.

    "It's a trap!"

  54. Not even the worst Holiday Special THAT YEAR.. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    You guys are suffering from nerd-centric tunnel vision - and you are "bad TV" amateurs. I was warned about the Star Wars Holiday Special by a colleague who loaned me the tape. All sort of dire warnings about 'can't unwatch it', worst show ever, etc.

    Granted, it was horrible. But not only was it not the worst show ever, nor the worst holiday special ever, it wasn't even the worst holiday show in 1978! That high honor goes to Christmas at Disney World (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283286/), a 1978 Christmas special starring *mimes* Shields and Yarnell, for Christ's sake! If I ever develop a brain tumor I will look back to that fateful day. Wookies named "Itchy" (presumably) droning on about Life Day can't possibly compare to a hour of a mime variety show.

    And there are far worse TV shows than mime Christmas shows. You probably haven't heard of a little show called "It's a Dog's Life" - that in many markets was cancelled *at the first commercial break*.

    Brett
  55. all the games are boring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    totally agree with you but i find the games are often a chance for some real story telling. republic commando, kotor anyone?

  56. Just Say No by Magdalene · · Score: 1

    My god

    He is like some horrible cancer. He has gotten so huge and meglomaniacal everyone is afraid to censure him. From editing his bad film choices to just saying NO to his really horrible ideas. He is like some huge and warty scab encrusted cyst with teeth and hair.

    He is becoming an embarrassment to his own company. From his lack of chin to his vaguely disguised racist leanings in his films.

    when will it stop? When will someone stand up to him and just say No George, its just a stupid idea.

    --
    -Magdalene --"there are 10 types of people in the world, those who read binary, and those who don't"
  57. Hans shot first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this, a German edition?

  58. Why? by jmdc · · Score: 1

    Empire was the best, it even has the words I need to express myself right now: HAN: I feel terrible. LEIA: Why are they doing this?