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Microsoft Pulls Vista SP1 Update
1shooter writes "news.com reports that Microsoft is withdrawing SP1 for Vista. Nick White, Microsoft product manager blogged 'We've heard a few reports about problems customers may be experiencing as a result of KB937287,' wrote White. 'Immediately after receiving reports of this error, we made the decision to temporarily suspend automatic distribution of the update to avoid further customer impact while we investigate possible causes.'"
>Nice White, Microsoft product manager...
...and videotape his unedited response?
Could some please inform Dave Chapelle of this person's name?
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C'mon guys, the e isn't anywhere near the k on the keyboard!
What happened to problems with KB938371? Their little Windows Update updater that paves the way for the SP1 update is causing big problems here where I work- I'm looking at 3 machines right now that it's refusing to install on.
If they imagine Vista to be a horrible cancer, and SP1 to be chemotheraphy, then this all seems better. Sure, it's going to make some sick and die, but for a few, it's going to be a cure for their problems. I say let it out and let people take their chances.
I saw this on the firehose last night and it confused me then, it should have been edited.
The problem is not SP1, but rather an update for Windows Update/installation that is being installed in anticipation of SP1 next month. It's a required upgrade to run SP1, but it is not SP1 itself.
Poor Microsoft...why can't they seem to get things right from the beginning? With all that money and power, they should be able to develope higher quality software. It just doesn't make sense why they wouldn't or can't.
What burns even more is that the MS Product Manager's real name is Nick. It was a typo.
An update that makes things worse from Microsoft? Who would have thunk it? L2QualityTest imo. At least they are pulling it before it gets any worse.
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KB943899 plays havoc with laptops with misconfigured AHCI devices as well. This isn't reduced performance or anything trival like that; we're talking about full blown "cannot find boot device" BSODs on reboot.
I had to turn off automatic updates to stop the update from installing.
Looks like a case of autocorrection by the MS Word spellcheck to me. ;-p
As regards the last Vista-SP1-related-problem article, I found this that mentions said problem and how to solve it, if anyone needs that.
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They're pulling the service pack because one of the pre-requisite patches you need to install before the service pack can even be applied is causing hard disk errors and requiring re-formats, although you can use the Vista CD to repair those errors, unless you paid for the downloadable version which doesn't come on a CD, and it only affects a minority of users in "unique circumstances" to begin with.
I love these guys.
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So there was a story about TechNet users wanting, and being denied, early access to SP1 -- apparently specifically so they could do battle testing. I don't know much about TechNet, but I'm guessing those are pretty much the most tech-savvy bundle of customers Microsoft can easily assemble. Why did Microsoft decide to skip the public beta phase with a bunch of expert customers with diverse operating environments and go straight to the world at large?
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Note the last paragraph of the article: `According to Microsoft's White: "This problem only affects a small number of customers in unique circumstances."'
I find this a rather incredulous claim considering that in my part-time job providing support to laptop users at my university I had two users with the problem on the same day within an hour of each other. Entirely different laptops, but both fixed with a system restore to before the updates.
of course, the quick fix will be SP1a temporary.
5 out of 6 times it performs as intended. Those are good odds, right?
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SP1 was waiting for me this morning. The installation took quite a while but it appears to have worked OK. This is for Vista Home Premium x64 (I needed 4GB+ RAM support). Maybe it'll be a little less unstable now. Vista had me seriously considering giving up video games so I could run Linux on my workstation instead (yes, I know about Cedega/Wine). Come on Epic, where's your UT3 Linux client...
Anyhow, either I just missed the cutoff or Microsoft hasn't really suspended SP1 distribution. I didn't RTFA.
It's NICK White, not NICE white. Typo in the /. write-up.
As long as no one at microsoft is riding dragons and turning up at Aslevjal, I'll not worry just yet
... I suppose that depends on how you define winning the game. :)
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That's what I hate about Microsoft products. The stupid program assumes you're stupid. The stupid program forces you to do things backwards.
Microsoft seems to design for the developmentally disabled, and does a bad job of even that. And they can't seem to learn from their horrible mistakes. Did they learn from Clippy? Hell no, now they have the stupid dog on their XP search. If you tell the damned thing to gho away it comes back the next time you do a search. Yeah, I could probably google for a hack to fix it but damn it, I shouldn't have to.
Linux never does that shit to me.
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
I was about to install SP1 tonight, after downloading it from MSDN. Does this mean I should hold off, or does it only affect people who were going to get it over Windows Update? The write-up seems a bit unclear.
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You can tell it off without a hack. There's an option in the search to get rid of the dog, and it doesn't come back. Anyway, they did away with it completely in Vista IIRC
(Full disclosure: my primary machine is an Ubuntu box)
"I think an etch-a-sketch with an ethernet port would beat IE7 in web standards compliance."
'Let me rephrase this: the ugliest, most user-unfriendly OS out there is managed by a guy named "Nice".'
More irony. IIRC*, Vista's default theme is black?
"Nice White, manager of a mean, black product, recently stated that.. "
*Mercifully, I do not encounter Vista machines very often
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Hey, WinXP was trash until SP2. Win2k had registery corruption-caused bluescreens until SP3. WIndows ME....well...nevermind that one.
:)
So its always been that way
"Yeah, I could probably google for a hack to fix it but damn it, I shouldn't have to.
Linux never does that shit to me."
So true. I've been using Lx since approximately Mandrake 5.1 (ask your dad), and have never had to, um, google up a fix for anything. Nope. Not once. Except of course 3-5 times a week.
NB: it's well worth it to me.
My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love
SP1 was waiting for me this morning as well. I haven't yet installed it though. I have Ultimate 64. For me, stability has never been a concern and I am running an overclocked e8400 with 8gb of RAM. The system is very smooth. I haven't had any problems running games.. and the few games that I have run in DX10 are pretty nice looking compared to their DX9 versions. If you read the rhetoric on Slashdot you'll think Vista is a complete failure. I decided to try Vista for this new build, despite reading this rhetoric, because I knew that a great majority of the Slashdot posters who post about a Microsoft product have not in fact used the product. Slashdot readers are actually more herdlike and less independent than one might think.
I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
The whole point of a monopoly is that it renders both quality and price substantially less important to the ability to sell product.
Consequentially, it makes devoting resources to QA less justifiable in a profit-maximizing firm.
At least it's doing something right, then!
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not Vista! this story. As others have already pointed out SP1 hasn't been pulled at all. Now you've wasted your time reading this rant about made up stories wasting my time.
It's Hell.
We're trying to bash Microsoft here. Stop being so damned reasonable!
That's completely true and I 100% agree, but you have to consider how utterly computer illiterate so many people are to understand why Microsoft products are so dominant. Many people are stupid when it comes to computers.
Oh, and you can turn Clippy off.
Vista doesn't even have the dumb thing.
you can use the Vista CD to repair those errors, unless you paid for the downloadable version which doesn't come on a CD
Some poster way up the page linked to a fix for those without a CD. Here's the short version:
Anyone "savvy" enough to install Windows over the tubes should know about safe mode, the most enduring feature from Windows 95. ^.^
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Well, at least you guys are consistant when it comes to reporting MS stuff. Terrible as always.
MS is not pulling SP1. In fact as of this morning it is available to many through windows update.
KB937287 is not SP1, but a prerequisite patch that a handful of users have had issues with installing. This is the patch that the actual article is refering to.
SP1 pre-upgrade service patch install patch service upgrade install patch doesn't work. So what? Who cares? Operating systems and (ick) code are so ... 80s.
This is the new millenium; this is the new Microsoft. How are ad revenues? What's our advertising market share? We are gonna f***ing kill Google!!
So much for the ol', "I'm just gonna wait until the first service pack irons out all the major bugs," people eh? That sure turned out well :P
Really?
...
'My Computer' -> 'Help' menu item -> 'About Windows'
Says it is Version 6.0
Jeez... I know its traditional slashdot etiquette to not RTFA, but at least read the summary.
In an effort to conform with internet communication standards, please note that the above comment is 100% biased opinion
I, too, have 8GB of RAM in my home desktop, but only 2GB in my home laptop. Both run Vista quite well. Why 8GB? Tons and tons of VMware virtual machines running all the time for testing. I doubt that the original poster was implying that Vista requires 8GB of RAM!
Windows 3.1x calc: 3.11 - 3.10 = 0.00
I couldn't visit the website in your sig to find out what your beef is
Try:
http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
Thanks for letting me know about the spelling error.
I assume that you're also against affirmative action for non-rednecks.
I am just making a comparison. Whether its a good thing or not is another topic.
Table-ized A.I.
So, it sucked to begin with (sucked resources, power, etc.) and then the fix makes it worse?
Is Microsoft officially a government entity now?
"Teach a man to build a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life."
And slashdot needs to pull this headline. SP1 is not being withdrawn from release next March.
Actually, I just received a technet flash today that announces availability of Vista SP1 for all Technet subscribers, which is different from "news" featured earlier here.
Also worth mentioning is that in the TN flash was a link to Russinovich's blog on the way Vista RTM and SP1 handles file copy operations (http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=8345230)
If you want to know about this sort of stuff, find a source other than slashdot. MS's newsletters are more accurate for chrissake.
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"""More irony. IIRC*, Vista's default theme is black?"""
Well actually, it's black when the window is full screen some other pastel transparent color when not for the windows and iirc black for the taskbar.
I only remember it because i remember saying what the fuck after noticing something weird and then realizing the window just changed colors because i maximised it
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Wow, not only is KB937287 not SP1 and SP1 is not being pulled KB937287 hasn't been pulled either, or is at least currently on windows update. I just ran Windows update on my Dad's PC and KB937287 just installed. So to recap.
SP1 isn't being pulled.
KB937287 isn't SP1 and is a prereq for installing SP1 via Windows Update.
As of Feb 21 1PM EST KB937287 is still available through Windows Update.
As of Feb 21 11AM EST SP1, at least for 64bit versions of Vista, is available through Windows Update.
So, this Article and Slashdot summary is wrong in every meaningful way.
I use a dvorak keyboard, you insensitive clod!
I always wonder why they initial it with "KB"? Does that mean kick butt? Or should they really be "BK"?
I woke up to SP1 on my Vista Ultimate 64 desktop as well...I instantly checked my laptop (which is running 32 bit Vista), but it was not installed there. It seems they are only giving it to the 64 bit people.
;-)). Anyway, my point is: with the price of RAM now, who gives a shit? I just bought 4GB of PC-6400 RAM for my new laptop, and it only cost $90 . So what's the big deal?
But to all the people bitching about the "ridiculous" amount of RAM the Vista "needs", what is your problem? Vista runs great with 2 GB of RAM. Sure, in my desktop PC I have 4 gigs...but that's just the type of person I am. I would have just as much if I was running XP...(well, only 3 gigs I guess
Vista is too complicated, and Vista support people, like the parent poster above, don't make it any easier (I know you tried, Rary).
I am sticking to my Windows ME.
>Come on Epic, where's your UT3 Linux client...
Cowering in fear ov being spawnraped by Splash Damage's Quake Wars Linux client.
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But since "you started it"; validate your info. MS dropped the WGA+IE7 requirement last fall.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/05/0444205
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I've seen the option to get rid of the dog, but the next time I search, the damned thing's back. But wow, Buy Vista! Now without the stupid search dog!
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
Hate to point this out but Microsoft's average user is stupid. They need to make that assumption. They didn't get where they are assuming the user was smart, or cared. Hey, maybe that's Linux's problem - we assume the user has half a brain.
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ask your dad
My dad's 76 years old and never used a computer in his life. My first computer was a Timex/Sinclair 1000 I bought when I was about 30, around the time the IBM PC came out.
I've been using Mandrake/iva since eight point something, and yes I've googled, and asked slashdotters, but that's the price of Linux. If I can't get decent documentation and ease of use, what's the point in spending all that money?
DOS came on one floppy, and its manual was an inch and a half thick. Windows comes on a CD and its manual (if you can call it that) is about thirty pages IIRC.
If I bought Mandriva at a store (If I could I would but I can't find it for sale anywhere) I wouldn't expect to google for a fix then, either. If it wasn't in a manual I'd call their tech support, and bitch about the shitty manual while I was on the line with them.
All software sucks, all software has always sucked, but it shouldn't. Maybe sometime in the future it won't.
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I second that. SP1 installed 5 minutes ago. It took approximately 15 minutes, while step 3 hung up on 0%, it jumped to 40%. If you rebooted your comp during this it's your own fault if it endlessly reboots when it clearly says "don't power off of your computer." Running Vista Home Premium x64, E6750 OCd to 3.0GHz, 4GB RAM
True that! I like to think of the slashdot crowd as the "anti-herd". We're still a herd, just in another direction. When it comes down to it, I think a lot of it comes from a "root for your team" type thought pattern. Although on average, slashdot users do have much more rounded OS experience than the general Windows using populace, so make sure to set your expectations appropriately between the two.
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
No, I expect a general purpose OS to cater to the ignorant. Everybody is ignorant about more things than they're knowledgeable about. The difference between ignorant and stupid is ignorance is curable, stupidity isn't.
When I say they cater to the stupid, I mean the mentally disabled. They should cater to the ignorant person of average intelligence and expect the mentally handicapped to have someone help them to use it. They have different versions; Professional, Home, etc, why can't they write them for the average Joe (who is by no means stupid, ignorant though he may be) and have a "Vista Special Edition" for the mentally deficient?
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
Gee.
Gosh.
What a surprise.
My brother just bought a Vista machine after I specifically told him *not* to buy Vista, but to get an XP machine instead. Of course he insisted he HAS to have the newest thing (never mind that new often equals buggy). But does he listen to his engineer brother's expertise??? No because he's a truck driver, and of course a truck driver knows better than an engineer, because truck drivers use computers all the time, and.....
Ahem.
Anyway. I swear his vista machine with 3 gigahertz processor runs *slower* than my 0.4 gigahertz laptop with Windows 98!
Win98 > Vista in speed?
Sad. Vista's a kludge.
I'll stick with XP thank you.
XP is not perfect, but runs a lot faster than Vista ever will. So Vista's Service Pack 1 caused problems for users? Gee. Shocking.
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For a couple of months two years ago, I was troubled by a noise that my XP laptop would make.... sometimes. Shuuck-Shuuck. Like a slow camera shutter.
I searched my system and google in vain of finding what this was.
Then one day I had the search window open and sitting on top of the desktop and I looked at it at just the right time. There was the answer.
The f-----g dog scratches his ear.
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I thought the author of the FUD would have been kdawson but it turns out to be Malda! What's the point of editors if they don't even bother to check the facts, read the stories etc?
I handle IT for a civil engineering firm, and we've been loading our new machines with Vista. For the curious, I've built all the machines myself in house, and we've had virtually no problems so far (aside from initially experimenting with 64 bit, our Autodesk programs wouldn't run properly in 64 bit). However, on the most recent machine, we decided to try SP1 to see how it worked with our software. I loaded the machine on the 10th, and KB937287 came out on the 12th. When we loaded the machine on the 10th, it worked perfectly, just like all the others we've loaded with Vista, with slight performance improvements in some areas (mostly file operations like copying and saving). However, after KB937287 installed, Autodesk Civil 3D 2008 would crash with unhandled exception fatal errors every time it started. I uninstalled all the new updates (wasn't sure which one it was at the time), uninstalled SP1, and all was well. Then, the update server reinstalled KB937287 (other non-SP1 Vista machines had installed it just fine, so I assumed it would work). The fatal errors started right back up. Apparently, the SP1 uninstall doesn't quite work as advertised, so now I have to come in over the weekend to reload the machine.
The funny thing is, I have 64-bit Vista Ultimate at home, and I already installed SP1 on it before installing KB937287, and it is working fine. Of course, I haven't tried C3D on it, but no problems for me so far.
...Mandrake 5.1.... I've told you kids a hundred times, "GET OFF MY PORCH!"
It is not "Windows Vista". It's a "Windows Update" patch that is a pre-requisite. But it's not SP1.
Sheesh. People can write anythng to make their point. Even if it's not true.
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It's a sad state of affairs when your service pack needs a service pack. What ever happened to quality control?!?
First, I DID check the checkbox. The dog trotted off into the horizon. The next time I opened search up, there he was. I've heard that one definition of insanity is expecting different results from the same action, so it seemed pointless to click that box again.
Second, I'm not usinhg a dvorak keyboard. g and h are right next to each other, and I have fat fingers.
Third, sorry about your having to be the guy who animated that dog and getting grief from me and other slashdotters about it but honestly, it sucks.
Fourth, who said I was smart?
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I don't get it. Steve must hate us. I read about our mother company's products first here no /. than on the internal mail -.-
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"I'm looking at 3 machines right now that it's refusing to install on."
Who says we have to wait for SkyNet? The age of intelligent machines has begun!
8gb of ram? finally we know what the true specs of Vista are!
'Course, $300 would be a small price to pay to get a working copy of XP to make the machine actually worthwhile, but for some strange reason no one seems to want to sell XP any more, almost like the manufacturer is bullying them...
newegg claim to have it in stock and quite cheap too even for full retail.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16837116195
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
WTF? This morning my Windows update pushed KB936330, "Windows Vista Service Pack 1 for x64-based systems". Was this a mistake, or has SP1 for Vista-64 been released to the public?
how come this post isn't modded +1 Funny? I coulda sworn this was a joke. 8 gigs!
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
It's over 9000!!!!111oneone
Try the classic search registry key. http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/1067/
Does that mean demolish or get the firemen out?
Saying 3-5 in a month is exaggeration, but saying 3-5 in a week is just over doing it.
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It has been downloaded automatically and OS asked me to install it.
After 5-minute contemplation, I hit YES button.
~30 minutes later everything was installed and my system is fine.
I have to see any difference yet.
So far it's the same as before (great, in my case).
My rig is admittedly modern:
Eight 3.16 GHz cores (2 x Quad Penryn Xeons).
24 GB RAM.
Quadro FX4600.
Two 10K RPM Raptors in RAID-0.
I never had any complains for Vista with this PC.
Actually (gasp!)I like it better then my previous XP-x64 and my home SUSE 10.0 (yes, the next to 9.3 one).
Everything flies and spins INCREDIBLY smoothly.
Interestingly enough, my notebook's Vista-32 says no updates so far.
I guess MS applied breaks for x32 version only.
What chipset on the motherboard? I couldn't get Vista Ultimate x64 to work with 4GB of ram on an Intel DP965LT motherboard (obviously with a 965 chipset). I'd love to know the magic.
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Maybe it would have been more obvious if he licked his balls instead.
I think he wanted to, but couldn't find them, much like every other windows search.
I have 24 gigs, so what?
"news.com reports that Microsoft is withdrawing Vista" would have been nice.
Ah, no, Vista is blue. You can change the color of the window borders, but everything else stays blue. This awful baby blue. Everywhere. And you can't change it. Ugh. Someone please save me from the blue.
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