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Ubuntu 8.04 Released

Nate2 writes "The Hardy Heron has taken flight: it's the second LTS (Long Term Support) release of the world's most popular distro. New features include the Wubi Windows installer and Firefox 3 beta 5. Grab a copy here, and check out Linux Format's overview of the release."

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  1. Started the download 20 minutes ago by Syncroswitch · · Score: 2, Informative

    I seem to be stuck at 98%....

    1. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And ladies and gentlemen, that is why I won't be be 'apt-get dist-upgrade' until next week. I swear, Ubuntu get's the world's worst slashdotting twice a year. I could download the alternate, but meh, I'm not that concerned. As a side rant, last week I installed the Kubuntu 8.04 Remix RC, and after two hours I retreated to 7.10. I have no doubt Ibex will be awesome, and I might even upgrade sooner to KDE4, but as of right now, it's not so good.

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    2. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thats why I got the beta a week ago ;) I was thinking ahead to this very day. Course when somethings didn't work right I was never sure if it was the code or if it was the OS. Speaking of if you get a java window that doesn't seem to display anything there is a bug with xgl. bug 48404

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    3. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by Syncroswitch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Torrents don't work at work...

    4. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by qualidafial · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I download the torrent and burn it to disc, can apt-get do a dist-upgrade from the DVD?

    5. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by archkittens · · Score: 3, Informative

      yes, you just need to set the CD up as a repository in the atp sources list. http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Adding_a_CD-ROM_or_DVD_repository

    6. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's it like when the world revolves around you? Do you get dizzy?

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      which is totally what she said
    7. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by ryanov · · Score: 4, Informative

      It gotten modded funny because it's really amusing how fucking stupid you are.

      Look at the download page: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php

      See the link to BitTorrent? Torrents are a sanctioned and encouraged method of download.

      Click the link and read. Educate yourself, Jackson.

    8. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by sholsinger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, except that the copyright holder, (Canonical LTD) is freely distributing their copyrighted works via torrents because it saves them money on bandwidth.

      The software they're releasing is being released as free and open source. The license strictly affords anyone the right to redistribute the software in any means. This includes torrents. And if I'm not mistaken I believe you also have the right to burn the ISO to a CDROM and charge money for that CDROM.

    9. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by MontytheMooch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Torrents don't work at work... Funny...neither do I...
    10. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by qualidafial · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just download the Alternate CD, burn, pop it in. This is a server installation, so it doesn't do anything when I "pop it in" other than mounting.

      Whatever happened to reading the release notes? I'm brand new to Ubuntu and Linux in general, so finding the release notes is a bit like finding the highway plans in the city building's 4th floor basement in a disused lavatory behind a locked door with a sign stating "beware of leopard." Eventually I found the release notes on ubuntu.com but it wasn't obvious where to find it, and it took some time just to navigate there due to the site being unreliable while it's getting the crap beaten out of it.

      I swear this is the last time during this upgrade cycle that I write anything to help people Given your bedside manner, I'd like that in writing.

      ..who haven't done their homework. I've been struggling to teach myself this shit for a long time, and despite trying very hard to learn on my own and use the available resources, I still get lost sometimes. So I ask questions from those who are likely to know. There's no need to be condescending.
    11. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The scary part is that the OP believes this. That means the *IAA actually has the general public believing that torrents are illegal. Here we have proof positive that there is a legal use, as every 6 months the net gets a huge kick in the teeth from LEGAL downloads, but the general public doesn't believe it. Unless we fix that we have lost the war, regardless of the facts.

    12. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by 2muchcoffeeman · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Kubuntu 8.04 Remix installs KDE 4, which is not ready for prime time.

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    13. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Informative
    14. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by qualidafial · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you post on Slashdot and run a server, so I assume you are interested in computers and capable of reading docs It's a hell of an extrapolation to assume that because I read slashdot and am interested in computers, that I would have the slightest idea where to look for the release notes, no matter how obvious that may seem to you.

      This is the, I dunno, 5th Ubuntu release I witness, and time after time people don't do the logical thing. I have spent countless hours on the mailing list to help them out, when all they would have needed to do is: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+8.04+release or, god beware, go to http://www.ubuntu.com/ and follow the release announcement. I was a newbie too, but I tried to do my homework before asking other people for help. It's called courtesy. I spend time helping folks on mailing lists too, but rather than berating them for not reading the docs, I just give them the URL they need. Sometimes folks just have a hard time finding what they're looking for and there's no need to bite their heads off.
    15. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by couchslug · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try the Ubuntu forums instead, or linuxquestions.org. Nice folks.

      Slashdot isn't really a place to get "help" unless you have a fireproof suit that needs testing while you are wearing it.

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    16. Re:Started the download 20 minutes ago by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 2, Funny

      Was it worth 3 replies to prove that you're a dickhole, or couldn't you just have kept it as part of your self-righteous, nerdling mystique and let us ponder the possibility of it?

  2. Anonymous Karmawhoring! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Anonymous Karmawhoring! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If everybody is getting their Linux on, who is manning the internet?!?!

    2. Re:Anonymous Karmawhoring! by dmcgk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Theo DeRaadt?

    3. Re:Anonymous Karmawhoring! by R3N3G4D3 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sweet, Pirate bay offers a pirated verison of Ubuntu? I'm in!

  3. Whats that sound I hear? by Aranykai · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its as if thousands of bittorrent peers suddenly started connecting at once.

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    If sharing a song makes you a pirate, what do I have to share to be a ninja?
    1. Re:Whats that sound I hear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it's the sound of UbuntuDupe firing up his keyboard to remind everyone how lousy his Ubuntu experience was.

    2. Re:Whats that sound I hear? by WwWonka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its as if thousands of bittorrent peers suddenly started connecting at once.

      Comcast filters...engage.

    3. Re:Whats that sound I hear? by getto+man+d · · Score: 5, Funny

      These aren't the .ISOs you're looking for.

    4. Re:Whats that sound I hear? by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Funny

      UbuntuDupe, is that you? it's ok, really, you don't have to post anon just to make fun of yourself.

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      Modding Trolls +1 inciteful since 1999
    5. Re:Whats that sound I hear? by qualidafial · · Score: 5, Funny

      I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if thousands of apt-get repositories had cried out in pain, and were suddenly silenced.

  4. Kubuntu by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't forget Kubuntu!

    There are some of us who don't (or kan't) run Gnome...

    1. Re:Kubuntu by kernowyon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just to note that the Kubuntu 8.04 release is not an LTS one, because of the upcoming KDE4 apparently. So if Long Term Support is something you really need - and you want Kubuntu - then you are still going to be using 6.06 for a while yet.

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    2. Re:Kubuntu by M0pper · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those of you that can't run Gnome or KDE, don't forget Xubuntu! (http://www.xubuntu.org) This version of Ubuntu features XFCE as a desktop environment, which is more lightweight then the other two, while maintaining most functionality. Alternatively, you can just get XFCE next to your current desktop environment and set it up so that you can choose which environment you want to use for your session each time you log in. You could then, for example, use Gnome or KDE when your laptop is running from its adapter and use XFCE when running on battery power, to cut down the power usage.

    3. Re:Kubuntu by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 5, Funny

      (or kan't) run Gnome... Kant runs Gnome, as explained in his Critique Of Pure Usability.

      Kant uses BitTorrent because he asserts that one should download such that the protocol for one's download may scale to serve all downloaders simultaneously.

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    4. Re:Kubuntu by FromellaSlob · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope. KDE3 developer support will expire before three years, so neither version is LTS this time.

    5. Re:Kubuntu by wigginz · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was a die hard Kubuntu guy until I installed Hardy (Ubuntu) on a friend's laptop and wow, Gnome really impressed me with it's polish. KDE in Kubuntu seems so thrown together compared to Gnome. Makes sense too, Canonical only pays one Kubuntu developer, all their resources go to making polishing Gnome.

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    6. Re:Kubuntu by lazarusdishwasher · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you have both DEs installed there should be a button on the login screen that allows for you to choose a session type. I am at work and Slackware 12.0 using KDM as the login manager has a button called menu on the lower right side of the login box. IIRC my laptop at home running Kubuntu has a picture of a menu with no text. I also have the option once I am logged in to switch users which will spawn a new X session on vt8, which brings up the login manager, and I can switch between my two sessions by pressing ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8.

    7. Re:Kubuntu by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      yes you can swap. if you have both gnome and kde installed, there will be a menu item on the login screen where you can select the section type (kde or gnome).

      be adived that if you change the session type this way, your profile's scripts (i.e. .profile, .bash_rc, etc) may not be executed.

      the workaround is to create a file in your $HOME directory called .Xsession and put in there the command that starts your desired environment. for KDE it's "starkde". have no idea which command starts gnome.

      /i don't believe in gnomes. i run over them.

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    8. Re:Kubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...all their resources go to making polishing Gnome. Boy, I wish I got paid for polishing my Gnome.

      Sorry, the stage was set with all the Hairy Hardon references
    9. Re:Kubuntu by nahdude812 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, you can have KDE and Gnome both installed at the same time. sudo apt-get install kde-desktop. This'll change the bootup logo to be the Kubuntu version, but on the login screen you'll be able to choose your session, and choose KDE or Gnome depending on what you feel like getting into.

      I go back and forth every few months personally. I like the simplicity of Gnome, they make the features I want most easily available to me.

      But then I'll find some corner case which I simply can't do with Gnome (eg Gnome mis-detecting a file type and refusing to let you open it because the file contents don't match the extension), then I fire up KDE for a while, revel in the many, many options to tweak, dork around with those for a while before discovering this stuff actually gets in the way of my productivity when I'm not just tooling around, and end up going back to Gnome again.

      No matter what desktop I'm using, I end up using programs from the alternate environment. For example, I always use Kate as my text editor, Amarok as my media library, and Kopete as my IM client (all KDE apps).

    10. Re:Kubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      For those of you that can't run Gnome or KDE, don't forget Xubuntu! (http://www.xubuntu.org). For those of you who can't run XFCE, there's CP/M!
    11. Re:Kubuntu by kellyb9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      For those of us who can't run Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Xubuntu - don't forget about Window 3.1.

    12. Re:Kubuntu by Spliffster · · Score: 2, Informative

      i've been using KDE it since 0.7.

      All i can tell you is that kde sucks big hairy mokey balls ina networked (read Xwindow) envorinment. this is why i prefer gtk apps (read gnome).

      my experience doesn't include kde 4. but as far as i can tell kde makes a nice personal computer desktop but remote x really sucks with all the animations turned on by default (even for remote sessions ... argh).

      when i discovered gnome 2 and discovered that remote X doen't have to suck on remote sessions (windows) i dropped kde.

      ok KDE fanbois, time to mod me down. If you want a windows replacement KDe might be fine, if you want to use Xwindow powers .. good luck.

      Cheers,
      -S

    13. Re:Kubuntu by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe I'm the only one, but ITunes is a great music server, and I use it exclusively without ever having gone to ITunes Music Store. There is nothing about using ITunes that demands or requires DRM. ITMS does have most of it's music DRMed (or so I hear) but again this has nothing to do with ITunes the music player/organizer program.

    14. Re:Kubuntu by wishmechaos · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or you can just use aptitude, which keeps track of that stuff. If you've installed kubuntu-desktop with aptitude, then it's just a simple 'aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop'.

  5. Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm not the kind to diss a distro over most things, but does it actually ship with a beta web browser? (Or is that just an option the user can add?) There's a few things F3B5 just doesn't quite do yet (mostly relating to extensions). I wouldn't want it to be my only choice available via the package manager, or anything.

    (Note that I don't use Ubuntu or plan to use it any time in the very near future, so I really have no idea how easy it'd be to swap things out.)

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    1. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 5, Informative

      AFAIK, since this is a LTS (Long Term Support) release, they went with the beta Firefox so there wouldn't be major shocks when Mozilla stopped updating 2.x and Ubuntu updated everyone to 3.

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      "I think an etch-a-sketch with an ethernet port would beat IE7 in web standards compliance."
    2. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by tolan-b · · Score: 2, Informative

      As usual with Ubuntu they seem happy to ship whatever state it's in on the official launch date.

      I'm not trolling here, I'm running Hardy myself, but for a supposedly 'hardy' long term support release it's still pretty buggy for me. Sound in Flash stopped working yesterday (for plenty of other people too by the look of the bug on launchpad), I have to re-enter my WPA password every time I boot, and font hinting isn't working for gnome-terminal and KDE based apps.

      Hohum...

    3. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by snl2587 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This would be why I usually wait a month or so before I upgrade to the newest version of Ubuntu. I expect open-source stuff to have bugs but they fix most of them; it just takes little time. For now I'm hanging on to Gutsy until the rush dies down.

      As for the WPA password...did you check the Keyring settings? Chances are that a config file was modified, switching the default save setting...if I had to guess.

    4. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by Burpmaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Firefox 2 is in the software repository, so it's easy to install. Look either in Synaptic or in add/remove programs.

    5. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by cronot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That, and I think FF3b5 is already more stable than FF2 is, aside from the numerous performance and footprint improvements.

      There's the issue with extensions, yes. But there are few extensions at this point that doesn't have a FF3 compatible version, even if in beta. In my case, the ones that doesn't, I was able to replace with another extension that does the same thing, or better. In my case:

      • - Duplicate Tab => Tab Clicking options
      • - All-in-one Gestures (seems abandoned, btw) => Mouse Gestures Redox
      • - Firebug 1.0 => Firebug 1.1b12
      • - Foxmarks (they supposedly have a beta version that works in FF3, but it's only open to a select group of beta-testers - wtf?) => Mozilla Weave (it isn't as smooth, but it works)

      Also, there are a couple of extensions I've just remove since FF3 has the features I've used these extensions for natively.

    6. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by tolan-b · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nah it's storing *something* but it seems to be the password in hex form which it's then applying as though it were ASCII or latin1 or whatever they use for passphrases.

      Thanks for the suggestion though.

    7. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by asac · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... or sudo apt-get install firefox-2

    8. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      Ubuntu 8.04 includes Firefox 3.0 beta 5. This was felt to be the best option despite its pre-release status, in light of the extended support lifetime of Ubuntu 8.04 and the importance and complexity of Firefox security updates. Further release candidates and the final release may be considered for post-release updates.


      Release Notes.
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    9. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by superslacker87 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sudo apt-get remove firefox && sudo apt-get install firefox-2

      Not that difficult.

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      I run Ubuntu skinned to look like a Mac on a PC. Go figure.
    10. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Informative

      "As usual with Ubuntu they seem happy to ship whatever state it's in on the official launch date."

      Sure that's why we had 6.06. Oh. Wait!

      They got ff3b5 in because it's good enough. I have been using it for a couple weeks and I can vouch for it. As for unusable parts, they did not include the KDE4 environment because it is, as of right now, very shaky.

    11. Re:Firefox 3 Beta 5? Really? by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Funny

      but for a supposedly 'hardy' long term support release it's still pretty buggy for me. Sound in Flash stopped working yesterday

      some people would consider that to be a bonus...

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  6. I can't understand Firefox3 beta5 by MistrBlank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's beta. It's also widely unsupported right now and doesn't work with several plug-ins I love to use. I do like some of the built in features of it, and use it on several of my systems, but I don't see it as belonging in an OS Release.

    1. Re:I can't understand Firefox3 beta5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a Long Term Support release, obviously they didn't want to have to support Firefox 2 for another 5 years.

    2. Re:I can't understand Firefox3 beta5 by tolan-b · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They'll release 3 final to the repositories when it's released and probably reroll the installer CD I'd have thought.

      They could really do with a bit more flexibility on their launch dates though.

    3. Re:I can't understand Firefox3 beta5 by Tikkun · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ubuntu releases based on a schedule (1 major release every 6 months, 1 release with long term support every 2 years), not when software is completely "ready". The merits of this can be argued by better geeks than I (I'll continue to use 7.10 on my desktop for a month, but 8.04 is going on my lappy pronto).

      If you need completely stable software you should use another distro (Debian comes to mind) or wait a month or two.

    4. Re:I can't understand Firefox3 beta5 by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The merits of this can be argued by better geeks than I Just my 2c, I like (fairly) fixed release points, the question is rather how bleeding edge you accept submissions to be. Before Ubuntu I used Debian, and found it fairly frustrating because certain packages would hold back releases so long that other packages would be replaced which again generated new blocking bugs etc. It's much better to ship what's release-ready now even if it's 3 months old than always wait for that package that's "almost" ready. Ubuntu is a little trigger-happy on including the bleeding edge but at least they stick to their release schedule.
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  7. Re:Slooow! by desmondhaynes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its as if the whole world is at it! And I chose the most obscure download site! :) Guess everyone did that! :( -- TechWatch Ok, got the whole file. Give you a tip. Go to the ones where people are sleeping - I chose .tw enjoy. I am going to be busy now! :) Will send some screenshots soon! TechWatch
  8. Torrent-only mirror by rmullen · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Boston University Linux Users Group is providing a .torrent-only mirror that should be able to be easily reached regardless of traffic. It's often difficult to fight through the hordes around the other servers just to get a torrent file, so we felt this would be convenient. We also have a copy of the MD5SUMS if you need it.

    ftp://lug.bu.edu/pub/distro/ubuntu/

    Contains the alternate, desktop, and server torrents for both i386 and amd64.

    Hope this helps.

  9. Great release unfortunately no Abiword 2.6 by splict · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am very happy that there has been another LTS release (and on my birthday)! I've been running the beta and it has been very stable other than than the firefox alpha (which seems to work fine on my debian lenny box).

    I am dissapointed that abiword 2.6 didn't make the cut, though. It is a great release, however the timing of things didn't work out. You can get some context on what happened at one of the developer's blog and the bug report. Seems there was a little tension involved. Also, here are the release notes for Abiword.

    Being an LTS release, I wonder if they can get it backported? I don't think that usually happens with that drastic of an upgrade - is it just security updates that get backported? However, the Abiword team will not be supporting 2.4.x for the next 3 years so I hope that something along those lines is possible.

    Oh well, off to compiling it myself. :)

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a yo-yo.-Enoch Root
    1. Re:Great release unfortunately no Abiword 2.6 by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Happy Birthday!

  10. Fast Mirror (2 gbps net connection) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://193.147.168.122/ubuntu/

    Please, always check MD5SUMS

  11. Dealing with various issues during upgrade by tmgtmgtmg · · Score: 2, Informative
    I didn't have such a great experience upgrading.

    My video card didn't work, sound didn't work, and, apparently, I use stale software with has been deprecated.

    Either way, here's a review of my adventures:

    http://thomer.com/howtos/hardy_heron.html

    Here's a summary of the woes described on that web page:

    1) to get nvidia to work for a GeForce 8600 GTS (and in my case TwinView, for two displays), you need to download a beta driver straight from nvidia,

    2) to get sound to work you need to run a completely undocumented /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset,

    3) Firefox 3 (beta) is cool and all, but it does not support various plugins so I downgraded to firefox-2, and

    4) xmms, which is ugly but worked just fine, has been deprecated and its replacement, audacious segfaults and freezes.

    5) I got annoyed by trackerd hosing my disk and my CPU, so I removed it.

    Hope this helps.

    1. Re:Dealing with various issues during upgrade by crimsun · · Score: 2, Informative

      This bug is due to a long-standing state mismatch with mixer element strings changing between alsa-{kernel,driver} releases.

      For 8.10, we're considering a GUI (if not automated) method to deal with it.

  12. You can also get it shipped by old_skul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Instead of doing the bittorrent dance, I started having the disc shipped to me. You can order whatever you need from https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ - they do a great job of getting the discs shipped, free of charge, in a lot less time than what they indicate on the site.

    I ask for 25 discs at a time, put a pile of them on my desk at work, and they're gone in a week. Here, have a Linux, it's free.

    1. Re:You can also get it shipped by dumeinst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hope you donate to the project in this case

    2. Re:You can also get it shipped by caluml · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *That's* the answer to get Linux on the desktop (and lots of work for people who can support Linux). Flood the nations with free Linux CDs - AOL style!
      Make out it's a time limited free offer - and that it's usually £129!

    3. Re:You can also get it shipped by pebs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Instead of doing the bittorrent dance, I started having the disc shipped to me.

      Physical media that isn't rewritable is a waste. For installing new VM's with Ubuntu, I don't even need to burn a disc, I just need an ISO file. For existing Ubuntu installations I just upgrade. For installing when I absolutely need physical media, burn a CD-RW (probably erasing an old version I had on the disk).

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    4. Re:You can also get it shipped by zuggy40 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMO it's still not fast enough for those of us that must have the latest, greatest stable version of Ubuntu. However, the shipit disks are a great way to prove that Linux and Ubuntu is professional quality. A burned CD looks illegal, a printed CD in a nice case looks like something worth whatever the cost, then when you tell them it's free, their sold.

  13. Re:Slashdotted. by AlecLyons · · Score: 4, Informative

    wasn't slashdot this time, the things just wildly popular.

  14. I Want My First Personal Linux Machine by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm running XP at home. I've got two large hard drives, not in a RAID. Were I to download this Ubuntu release, would it be easy to set up dual-booting? What's the best way to do that, assuming I don't want to upset by Windows install in any way? Would I need to use FAT32 on a drive to make it visible to both OSs? Is there a robust method to at least read NTFS in Linux? Would it make sense to install on a USB memory stick or an external hard drive?

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    1. Re:I Want My First Personal Linux Machine by tomtomtom777 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm running XP at home. I've got two large hard drives, not in a RAID. Were I to download this Ubuntu release, would it be easy to set up dual-booting? What's the best way to do that, assuming I don't want to upset by Windows install in any way? Would I need to use FAT32 on a drive to make it visible to both OSs? Is there a robust method to at least read NTFS in Linux? Would it make sense to install on a USB memory stick or an external hard drive?

      NTFS read/write access has stable for a long time. No need for FAT32.

      You don't need an external harddisk or usb-stick. Ubuntu won't disturb Windows.

      Just download, burn and boot the live cd, then click the install icon. Ubuntu will guide you smoothly into making some space and dual-booting.

      Don't Panic

    2. Re:I Want My First Personal Linux Machine by atlastiamborn · · Score: 3, Informative

      The easiest way would probably be to use Wubi, which installs the ubuntu system as an application inside your Windows install (or something like that, haven't tried it myself as I don't have Windows installed).

      If you choose to install ubuntu on another drive and dual boot your ubuntu install should be perfectly capable at reading your NTFS partitions (helped a friend back up his stufs from a borked XP install just last weekend, worked great), I'm not sure about writing to NTFS partitions though, but it might work.

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    3. Re:I Want My First Personal Linux Machine by wintermute000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most modern distros will overwrite the XP bootloader with GRUB the linux bootloader. However GRUB will detect windows and present it as a boot option so its pretty much seamless.

      To prepare, use partition manager in windows to free up some space on one of your drives, then install linux in the free space. As above GRUB will detect windows partition seamlessly.

      If you ever want to revert to windows bootloader, just boot off the XP disk, go into recovery console and type a command which I can't remember but googling will reveal it very quickly (its something like fixmbr).

      NTFS is fine with a driver called ntfs-3g, may not be out of the box but it is usually easily obtainable via an update. In Ubuntu it will be a one-line command to install, same as installing anything (you will love this about linux) as long as you have an internet connection. There will be a general 'install X package' commmand, from memory in ubuntu its 'sudo apt-get XXX'.

      However this will only install the driver, you will probably have to manually mount the windows partition via either the mount command or editing your fstab which is the file linux uses to determine what file systems to mount.

      Personally if its ur first go I would install linux on a spare box to have a tinker first. I went down this path for a year before I was game enough to muck with my 'production' desktop.

      The critical thing is to have another working computer with the internet available so you can look up instructions on the fly whilst you're in linux in case you can't get something to work in linux that also kills your web browsing. Once you have google at your disposal, your issues (barring bad-luck hardware incompatibilities) are all solvable and someone out there will have solved it already and posted a solution for you, often with cut-and-paste commands to follow.

      Have fun, and don't get discouraged - remember it took you however many years to learn what you know about windows, and for the first few weeks it will feel like learning how to walk again. Remember: most of what you know about PCs is actually what you know about WINDOWS, so don't be surprised when things are done differently in linux (on the upside it generally makes perfect sense). But in the long run it will pay off. The great thing is that in linux everything is controlled via human readable text files, no registry hunting required, even if you don't know anything about X you can tell a lot from the config files and tonnes of issues can be solved by a simple and obvious parameter change.

      Disclaimer: above is general linux advice from a Fedora user, I do not use ubuntu so your mileage may vary.

    4. Re:I Want My First Personal Linux Machine by TobascoKid · · Score: 4, Informative

      In 8.04, you can use the Windows based installer (Wubi) instead.

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    5. Re:I Want My First Personal Linux Machine by xtracto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll give you an example of why not:

      Right now, in your Linux machine, open a terminal window and install that program to create music with music sheet and then play it. Something similar to GuitarPro.

      So, what will you do? first, you have to know how do you *install* things (the command to install??? aptget? apt-get? apt_get? or aptitude or optitude?? mmm lets tray install? or was it depackg? or dpkag? or rpminstall? or yam? or yem?

      After you find one of those commands who do not return "bash: auptda-get: command not found" you have to guess what is the sub-command (or parameter) that will actually install whatever you want to install... mmm lets try dpkg install... o shit no luck, dpkg get mmmm dpkg add??

      Well, you know that there are some stuff called man pages which tell you some information. mmmm lets see "man..."

      What manual page do you want?

      Oh crap, what page number i should use for the installation of programs?
      and so on and so on...

      until you know that apt-get install will install your program... but you have one problem
      "apt-get install guitar program" just tells you that there is no program called guitar program so, what is your program called?? how do you know your what is your program called...

      aah well. That is only for installing a program. Imagin trying to do some more complex tasks.

      The fact that you think it is very easy to use the command line is because you already know what to type. The probelm with the command line is that when you *do not* know what to type you have 256^n (number of keys ^ number of letters to type) different possibilities to try.

      Whereas in a GUI you either have checkboxes or lists or whatever (unless you use one of those open source frontends that, when you go to the configuration screen, they just give you a blank text box asking you to input the parameters... shit, WHAT PARAMETERS?)

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  15. Curious about Ubuntu by UberHoser · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well more than curious. It looks pretty slick.

    And I am really not asking to be flamed here, but can someone tell me why I might want to move from Windows to Ubuntu? Either for home (World of Warcraft has to run on it) or from work?

    (Puts on asbestos boxers)

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    1. Re:Curious about Ubuntu by jemtallon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the obvious reason you might want it is because it's cheaper - both in being free software and generally being able to run on cheaper hardware. Beyond that, though, it's all just personal preference.

      Five years ago, I'd have recommended that you only move to Linux if you like to occasionally tinker with your computer. Or maybe if you like to occasionally remap things to be more productive or write your own scripts and bots. Regardless, in the years past, Linux was fun mostly because you got to look under the hood and play with it.

      Ubuntu has done a good job of abstracting that in recent years, though. For the most part, it should be about as easy a change moving from Windows to Ubuntu as it would be in moving to a Mac or, from what I've seen, XP to Vista. That tinkering aspect is still lurking just beneath the surface, though. 99% of everything you want to do will be possible in easy point-and-click style. But be prepared when you download some old third-party software that isn't in the standard repositories that you may be expected to open up a terminal window and run some "make" commands or something in order to install it. That's just where Linux culture was pre-Ubuntu and still is for many.

      That being said, I think Ubuntu is quite a bit more fun than Windows. All of the free software helps a bunch at work as I don't have to fight for money to buy new things all the time. There's also all of the eye-candy that you get with Compiz - some of which is just good for bewildering your friends (ie: raining desktop) but some of which is very useful for productivity (ie: desktop cube.)

      Another good side to Ubuntu is the community. When you have a problem, run a quick Google search for it and you're likely to find a few forums where it's already being discussed. For the most part, the RTFM style of Linux "help" has abated in recent years and most people are happy to help where they can.

      So in the end, it depends greatly on your personal preferences and what you expect from your OS. It also depends on what you expect for support and how much you're willing to do yourself when something breaks. If you've got a little time to play with it, Linux can be a lot of fun. If all you want from an OS is that it "just work" out of the box and you don't care what it does as long as it runs Office and gets you to Facebook... well Linux still might work but you're less likely to enjoy it.

    2. Re:Curious about Ubuntu by zoward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where to start? Let's see:

      - It's free.

      - I can reinstall it, move it new hardware, run it on multiple boxes without having to get on the phone and beg someone for an additional license.

      - Most of the applications I use daily come with the base install of Ubuntu (office apps, web browser, IM client, etc).

      - When they don't, I can easily download and install full-scale robust applications safely from the internet in seconds.

      - updating to the latest versions of software after reinstalling from disc can be done in one pass rather than having to launch an updater multiple times (eg, Windows Update).

      - all of the software on the entire machine can be updated from one source all at once. No need to go to separate company websites and log in for updates.

      - WoW runs fine under Ubuntu with WINE. I've been running it that way for a couple of years now.

      - Since it can connect to a Microsoft VPN and run a remote desktop client, I can use Ubuntu at home to take over my Windows desktop at work, so I can work from home using Ubuntu.

      - Privilege separation, combined with the fact that Ubuntu is not targeted by malware makers, makes it more secure to run than Windows. No need to pay ransom to Norton or McAfee to be safe on teh intraweb either.

      - Ubuntu at this point seems to require about half the memory footprint of Vista. YMMV.

      Since I don't run any very specific software that requires Windows, I can't imagine why I would want to.

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    3. Re:Curious about Ubuntu by Wylfing · · Score: 2, Informative

      The main reason why I think people should give Linux (esp. Ubuntu or Fedora) a try is that once you get used to doing things the "Linux way" you start to realize how much it sucked to be using Windows. It's hard to quantify...I've been using Linux on my work and home desktops since 2001, and using Windows now feels clunky, clumsy, and irritating. Maybe a lot of it has to do with how you train your brain to work around all the horrible quirky behavior of Windows, and once you're away from it awhile you notice how awful it really is.

      And by the way, World of Warcraft runs just fine.

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  16. Features by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Informative

    So from the review there are several new features here that might be of use:

    • - Wubi - for improved installation experience.
    • - Compiz - now enabled by default, for some eye candy as well as an expose clone and nicer application selection using tab.
    • - Vinagre - a new, built in VNC client that uses zeroconf for local auto-discovery. (Man I hope this works with OS X's implementation.)
    • - Brasero - CD/DVD burning application.

    So it sounds like a couple of useful new features and probably more the review did not cover. opefully I'll give it a test run tonight.

  17. No, Hairy Hadron. by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, it's Hairy Hadron, which is actually a new kind of subatomic particle predicted by stringy-hair theory. It's the particle that makes hippies and geeks smell the way they do. It can also give you telapathetic powers. People will know you're pathetic before you even walk into the room.

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    1. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by Slashidiot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hairy Hardon? C'mon, be serious, this is slashdot!

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    2. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by RayMarron · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought the codename for that release was "patchouli".

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    3. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Man, fucking patchouli. The only substance known to man that can make BO smell WORSE. It's like it highlights the BO, circles it and draws little arrows pointing to it, just in case you missed it.

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    4. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought the codename for that release was "patchouli". Gesundheit!
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    5. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Funny

      You totally miss the point.

      You wear the patchouli. Some women go "Ewh, gross!". Some like it.

      The ones that like it will still have sex with you when you just came off a marathon coding session and haven't had a shower in a while.

      Those are the ones you want to go out with.

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    6. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's what chain smoking is for...

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    7. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someone gave me a tube of hemp-based, patchouli-scented skin lotion once. Thanks. Not only do I have still dry skin, but now I smell like a freakin' hippie from 20 yards away. I couldn't even walk into a coffee shop without someone inviting me to recite poetry.

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    8. Re:No, Hairy Hadron. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, she's all right. Drags her teeth a bit though...

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  18. I upgraded by Blice · · Score: 4, Informative

    I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04;

    I like the new compiz-fusion plugins it includes.
    Includes 3d windows for the cube (Where the windows stick off of the walls), this new "Shelf" plugin, that makes it able to shrink the size of windows to a thumbnail where you can dock them to the side of your desktop or wherever. They also have an "Error notification" plugin which is neat- Gives you an alert whenever any program has an error, and you can specify how serious an error has to be before it notifies you. The notification is just a little popup on your notification area.

    In the new Gnome, I really really like the new VNC client. It has a "bookmark" section to the side, and it has tabs. Tabs for VNC! I love it. The other really useful thing it has is a "VNC scanner", which scans computers on the domain for VNC ports to connect to, and gives you a nice list. Besides that, there isn't really much else great about the new Gnome- They try to keep things "simple" (A.K.A., not much customization to be done.)

    I've had a couple problems so far with Ubuntu 8.04, though. The first noticeable problem was that only one window on my desktop had a border. I.E, if I switched from one window to another, the window I switched to would lose it's border and title bar, and the new window would get borders and a title bar. I fixed this by installing Xgl, apparently I didn't have it.

    The other issue is these odd black dots.. They consist of maybe four pixels making a block. There's about 10 of them in a row on my screen, even when I do the cube and other things, they stay on top of everything. Even in my log in window. I have no idea what's causing it.

    And, finally, my sound isn't working now. But I see a lot of people are having this problem.

    Oh, and one more con- The "Unlock" button for network manager is really annoying. I'm not sure why it was needed, maybe someone can enlighten me?

  19. New Icon by somegeekynick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot should start using Ubuntu's symbol instead of Debian's. Oh and, I'm downloading via the torrent right now.

  20. Synergy users beware by bdigit · · Score: 2, Informative

    This bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226 causes synergy to sputter along unless its started under sudo or you recompiled your kernel with a different scheduler enabled.

  21. Magnet URL is for i386 iso is below by Danathar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, the tracker is overloaded, but that's why we have DHT!

    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:PKBGTUMADMQD7FXO7PLIZPGWQBLPRTEE

  22. Very Impressed by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been running Hardy right up from Alpha 2 until the RC. It's a quality release. Only issue I've had so far is that the sound on my laptop (Vostro 1700, uses Intel HDA) is almost impossible to hear unless the sound is up all the way. I've read a few things to try and get it fixed, but that's not too high priority right now.

    The installation is clean, it did a fantastic job auto-detecting my 3D hardware and setting up Compiz on both laptop and desktop (Intel X3100 and GeForce FX5500 respectively), and it's easy enough for grandma to use.

    Kudos to the Ubuntu team.

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  23. Re:Slooow! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give you a tip. Go to the ones where people are sleeping

    This is Linux, not Windows. Try to download from someplace where it's noon.

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  24. wubi by johnwbyrd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some quick notes on wubi, since this is Slashdot and it's probably the neatest part of the new release. Wubi has existed for a while but this is the first ubuntu that includes it as part of the distro.

    Wubi permits you to install and dork around with ubuntu from within Windows. It has a comfy GUI front-end that creates a virtual partition within a Windows file, sets up the boot manager, downloads Ubuntu and installs it within the virtual partition. Ubuntu then boots and mounts the virtual partition within the Win32 file system. The installed Ubuntu can see the old Win32 file system and optionally read and write it. Windows sees the virtual partitions as a couple large files. And Wubi avoids making any partition changes to the target disk. All pretty cool actually, and significantly lowers the barriers to test-driving Ubuntu. See http://wubi-installer.org/ .

  25. And the 64k question... by Raxxon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does it still have buggy sound support for the sound hardware on the eeePC? I was rather annoyed by it for the last beta release and I can't really see them having fixed it in such a short time which is sad as it otherwise ran quite well...

  26. Re:But KDE 3.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because Kde4.0.3 isn't even a beta-quality replacement for KDE 3.5 yet. Kontact isn't ported yet, Konqueror has SSL issues, and Plasma and xrandr don't get along.

    Now I'm not knocking KDE, 4.0 was always intended to be a stable release of the LIBRARIES, not the apps. But that means it's still not ready for end-users yet.

    Presumably Firefox is in better shape than this.

  27. Re:Slooow! by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is Linux, not Windows. Don't pretend there's some sort of fire when there isn't one.

    It won't kill you, or cause you machine to become part of some botnet, just because you
    upgraded a week or two later...

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  28. 4 Different DVD ISOs? by EmagGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the tracker, I see four DVD ISOs each for x86 and x64 with the same name and different hashes, and slightly different sizes. Anyone know what gives?

  29. What's new in the server edition? by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's new in the server edition? All the articles I've seen so far are desktop-centric.

  30. Question: by Pojut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone here with a D-Link wireless PCI card have any networking issues with this release? I know that when the previous one came out, I was having some issues getting Ubuntu to recognize my wireless card... WDA-2320, if I'm remembering correctly.

  31. Has anyone tried a dist-upgrade? by octaene · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see lots of replies about ISO mirrors and download sites, but has anyone tried to perform a distribution upgrade from 7.10 yet? Any news on that? I assumed I'd give that a shot maybe tomorrow when server loads aren't quite as busy...

    1. Re:Has anyone tried a dist-upgrade? by qualidafial · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe I'm doing something wrong but apt-get dist-upgrade on my server says there's nothing to upgrade. Maybe that's normal for a server without X installed.

    2. Re:Has anyone tried a dist-upgrade? by AlzaF · · Score: 2, Informative

      I did a dist-upgrade a few days ago and everything works fine apart from mucking up the screen resolution (everything looks so big). As it took 500+Mb to download, for the sake of an extra couple of hundred meg, you can download the ISO and have a CD for backup.

    3. Re:Has anyone tried a dist-upgrade? by isorox · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've just installed a 710 server through apt-cacher. It went fine. I then tried installing 300k of debs I'd not used before and it crawled. That was using gb.ubuntu

      I dont recommend it.

    4. Re:Has anyone tried a dist-upgrade? by nahpets77 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I did it 3 days ago using adept as recommended:

      $ kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"

      The upgrade completed without any problems

  32. Any word on PS3 yet? by HiVizDiver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This seems to indicate that it WON'T work, but that information is a month old. Anyone have a better experience?

  33. IS there a configuration... by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That would, say, let me run ubuntu off of a live CD on a Windows machine but still be able store some stuff on the Windows machine? Like, if I have a company notebook, and I want to run Linux on the train, could I do that... without putting Linux on it?

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    1. Re:IS there a configuration... by SeePage87 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, and there's two ways to do it.

      The first way would be to set up a persistent directory on your windows partition. I think that just amounts to a folder in c: or called casper-rw or something. You should look up "ubuntu persistence" on google to get better instruction

      The second method is new to Hardy, and it would involve using Wubi to install Ubuntu without formatting your drive or changing the partitions. My understanding is it creates a disk image file on your windows partition that ubuntu can boot from and save files, etc, to. I guess it's supposed to be just as good as regular install, with just a little less resilience to hard shutdowns. I'm not sure what it does to the bootloader, so you might want to look into that before your wreck anything

      I haven't done either, exactly, though I did do the first making a bootable pendrive with persistence. Hope that helps.

  34. legality, legality... by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, yeah, except that: isn't it kind of ILLEGAL to download copyrighted stuff via torrents?
    Is...was....err....was that a joke?

    That could be either a joke or someone who is just underinformed. Being as torrents get the most attention (in the mainstream, at least) for illegal traffic, it shouldn't surprise anyone to encounter people who actually believe that all torrent traffic is illegal.

    And of course, there are copyrights involved with Ubuntu Linux. However most of them are more than a little bit more permissive than those on "Enter Sandman".
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  35. It locks up my laptop solid..... by stonewolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    I started testing 8.04 at alpha 3 and have tested every version since. I am sad to say that that every version I have tested locks up solid after 5 to 10 minutes. The bug has been filed and is being experience by quite a few people on a lot of different hardware.

    I have put 7.10 back on my laptop and I will not be updating to 8.04 until the lock up bug is reported as being fixed.

    Of course, it is working just fine on a lot of other hardware... So, do your self a favor and burn a live CD and test it for a few hours before you do the final upgrade and do a very careful and complete back up before you upgrade.

    This is the first time I have had *any* problems with stability of an Ubuntu release and I have been using it for several years now and I have tested a lot of alpha and beta releases. I hope this is the last time I have any trouble with an Ubuntu release.

    Stonewolf

  36. Re:Terrible. People should know about this! by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not 20 -minutes- before the official announcement was made, anyone asking whether or not the ISO on the main page was indeed the final release (which it was) was banned. Anyone who posted a link to the ISO, the .torrent, or even the MD5SUM of any of the files was banned. This is because the files could potentially be modified at any time before the official release announcement. If you download a .iso file an hour before the official release, and that file gets replaced half an hour later because of some problem with the disc image, you're basically screwed.
  37. Ubuntu Studio by De+Lemming · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone here experience with this one? I'd like to give it a try.

    Ubuntu Studio is "a multimedia creation flavor of Ubuntu." It includes applications for audio and video creation and for graphic work. It also has the Linux kernel optimized for low latency.

    http://ubuntustudio.org/
    Download (not accessible at the moment):
    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/hardy/release
    Torrent mirror:
    MD5: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Hardy-Torrents/MD5SUMS
    i386: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Hardy-Torrents/ubuntustudio-8.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
    AMD64: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Hardy-Torrents/ubuntustudio-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent

    1. Re:Ubuntu Studio by servodave · · Score: 2, Informative

      I set this up on an older machine as a "free" alternative to $600 Adobe video suite. This was for someone at work who needed to do simple editing and converting. It works pretty well for him to scan in videos from a $28 firewire card and convert to a dv stream. It's a nice package, and the audio syths that come with it are a fun way to waste an hour or more.

      The theme is nice if you are into that look. Me, not so much, but the guy at work seems to enjoy bagging about how slick this looks. He also likes to tell everyone how easy it was for him to "setup". (By setup, he means change the default screen display font.)

      Whatever--the install was probably just about as easy as changing the font--Ubuntu found all the hardware on the stock dell machine. That's more than I can say for Windows on the same hardware. (Broadcom network.)

      I'm thrilled he has ditched Outlook and Internet Exploder for default browsing and is using Thunderbird to check his email on that computer. The Windows Vista machine officially issued to him is sitting there untouched for about three months in sleep mode. The clincher for him was after I installed the killer combination of: Automatix/Wine/Office 2003/IE6.0 (via IEs4Linux.)

      I've since burned a few copies of standard 7.10 desktop .ISO for people in the office. At least 2 of the DVD's I burned are confirmed to be installed by coworkers (or their kids) into "old" machines they had laying around their house. Keeping in mind that these "old junk" computers are nicer than my "new" one.

      On my setup at home, I did grab some of the video editing tools included in ubuntu studio (cinepaint and the nonlinear video editor that I'm too lazy to click on Applications right now to get the name of.) Along with the above mentioned killer combo, these are installed into Ubuntu 7.10 and work very well.

      Oh dear God--when did I become a Linux fanboy?

  38. NEW? by 800DeadCCs · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hell, I just upgraded to 7.04 last week.
    Seriously.

    (Box had been un-networked for 8 months).
    I'll wait a month or so; never install day 0... wait until a few more zeros are in the number.

  39. Tip for upgrading unusual X setups by SEMW · · Score: 2, Informative

    One tip: if you use any kind of even slightly unusual X setup (such as dual monitors with Xinerama), back up your old xorg.conf and generate a fresh one with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" before you upgrade. When you've upgraded, use new X.org 7.3 tools like xrandr to do whatever it is you're aiming for.

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  40. Wubi! by PastaAnta · · Score: 2, Funny

    "There is a new installation option for Windows users. Wubi allows users to install and uninstall Ubuntu like any other Windows application."

    So now I can install Ubuntu with Wine?

  41. Re:The world's most popular distribution? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how many library of congresses worth of people use Ubuntu? How many football fields the CDs Ubuntu has sent out could they cover? How many people are there in the library of congress at any one time? A hundred?