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Spam Is 30 Years Old

holy_calamity writes "New Scientist commemorates spam's 30th anniversary, a week from today. The first spam message — archived here — was sent to 393 users of ARPANET on May 2, 1978 by someone from computing pioneers DEC. They had to type in all the addresses by hand first."

148 comments

  1. One Thing That's Changed by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As you see below, the mail program would only accept 320 addresses. The rest overflowed into the body of the message. When they found some recipients had not gotten it, they re-sent the message to the rest of the recipients. According to Thuerk, they were unaware of the "address file" function in the mail program that would have enabled a mailing list. Unfortunately, one thing that's changed is that spammers have become far more sophisticated and clever. Sometimes I analyze a piece of spam that gets caught and when it's at my office's Exchange Inbox, funny things happen. Like I show up as the sender, receiver and subject of the message! Only when I inspect the e-mail do I find that they are using some sort of Exchange exploit to make it appear this way while the actual subject is--you guessed it--viagra (and no, my name is not Viagra)!

    In the spirit of the history of Spam, I think it also bears mentioning something I didn't see in the article: a Usenet phrase "Eternal September" which was September of 1993. An exponential growth of spam and gullible users ensured constant income for spammers and provided the initial hit of income for people like The Spam King (I won't even dignify him with printing his name). They've been chasing the dragon ever since at the expense of the hardware and software of the internet. And to think that if the spammers had missed that initial exposure of thousands of people willing to "increase what she prefers your size XXL no one will know you use works 100%" then we might not be in the situation we are today.

    Judges today should force spammers to work with law enforcement and security companies to figure out how to stop others before they even start. If not for an initial hit of funding, I doubt any spammer would continue.
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    My work here is dung.
    1. Re:One Thing That's Changed by Gotung · · Score: 3, Informative

      The "reply-to:" field is used by most email clients as the "Sender". You can fill out the reply-to with anything you want. No exploits needed.

    2. Re:One Thing That's Changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wake me up, when September ends.

      (With thanks to Green Day!)

      Mike

    3. Re:One Thing That's Changed by cjb658 · · Score: 2, Informative

      telnet your-smtp-server 25
      MAIL FROM: you@yourisp.com
      RCPT TO: you@yourisp.com
      DATA
      Buy V1AGRA!
      .

  2. Stallman --- by mingot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heh, nice pro spam message by RMS there.

    1. Re:Stallman --- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Yeah, I got a kick out of #4:

      4) Would a dating service for people on the net be "frowned upon" by DCA? I hope not. But even if it is, don't let that stop you from notifying me via net mail if you start one.
    2. Re:Stallman --- by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
      He knee-jerked for free speech (hard to believe, I know, coming from RMS), but he followed up with:

      Well, Geoff forwarded me a copy of the DEC message, and I eat my words. I sure would have minded it! Nobody should be allowed to send a message with a header that long, no matter what it is about.
      --
      No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
    3. Re:Stallman --- by prgrmr · · Score: 2, Funny

      4) Would a dating service for people on the net be "frowned upon" by DCA? I hope not. But even if it is, don't let that stop you from notifying me via net mail if you start one.

      Does this mean that we have RMS to thank for match.com and the like?

    4. Re:Stallman --- by gowen · · Score: 3, Funny

      I prefer the bit where he tries to get himself subscribed into the first internet dating service. MMMMMM classy.

      --
      Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
    5. Re:Stallman --- by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but he still has the same issue with it that countless Usenet posters have had about spam for years: stop making me page through 10 pages of headers just to read your garbage.

      It's interesting to note that he was in favor of advertising (dating sites especially!) so long as he didn't have to page through a bunch of headers to read the ad.

    6. Re:Stallman --- by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      If so, thanks, RMS. I've met some really nice women via online match-up sites. Unfortunately, they're all platonic friends... :-/

    7. Re:Stallman --- by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Informative

      Heh, nice pro spam message by RMS there. Of course the context was a little bit different in 1978 than it was more than a decade later when the Green Card Lawyers really kicked off the phenomenon.

      Kind of the like a neighborhood where just about everybody knows everybody and thus everyone is accountable for any antisocial behaviour on their part.

    8. Re:Stallman --- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If so, thanks, RMS. I've met some really nice women via online match-up sites. Unfortunately, they're all platonic friends... :-/ Have you told your parents that you're gay, yet?
    9. Re:Stallman --- by paroneayea · · Score: 1
      If you scrolled down like *one message* in that archive, you'd see that he took it back after he saw the message:

      Well, Geoff forwarded me a copy of the DEC message, and I eat my words. I sure would have minded it! Nobody should be allowed to send a message with a header that long, no matter what it is about. Forward this if you feel like it.
      Thus, he wasn't defending the spam, since having not seen the context, he didn't see in the way it was spammy. Once he saw the actual spamminess of the message, he agreed that it was awful and should not be allowed. Now, you could argue that he should have actually looked at the context first before stating an opinion. That would be a valid point, but it wasn't the one that you made.
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      http://mediagoblin.org/
  3. And in 30 years... by kevman42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the first time I've purposely clicked a link to view spam.

    1. Re:And in 30 years... by somersault · · Score: 1

      They should have redesigned email back then to be more secure..! Instead of just reprimanding the perpitrator. Imagine all the time, bandwidth, electrical power and computing power that has been wasted (well, not really the computing power part, it's not like the plebs who own the zombies would do anything useful with them anyways..) from spam mail and viruses.. *sniff*

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      which is totally what she said
    2. Re:And in 30 years... by ducatier · · Score: 5, Funny

      "on 2 may 78 digital equipment corporation (dec) sent out an arpanet message advertising their new computer systems. this was a flagrant violation of the use of arpanet as the network is to be used for official u.s. government business only. appropriate action is being taken to preclude its occurrence again."

      whew, glad they took action, such mis-uses could have gotten out of hand.

    3. Re:And in 30 years... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds like the plot for a decent little time travel story. Guy travels thirty years back, and writes an innocuous reply to an advertisement for a DEC server. "Hey, everybody, it suddenly occurs to me that there are absolutely NO mechanisms in SMTP to authenticate sender, recipient, blah blah blah. Sure, it's not a problem now, but hey, who knows where this ARPANET thing's going to go...."

      --
      Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
    4. Re:And in 30 years... by ArAgost · · Score: 1

      ...then everybody starts laughing, no one cares or takes any countermeasure, and in 30 years we'll have the same amounts of spam. But his actions in the past caused us to end up in a different present, where Macs have a 90% market share, Windows is struggling to get to the common user, and Linux is for those hip eye-candy lovers people who love making movies and use their wePod.

    5. Re:And in 30 years... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Or even worse. Instead of macs we could be using.. Amiga's.... *shutter*

      --

      Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

    6. Re:And in 30 years... by somersault · · Score: 1

      Oi! I love Amigas *shakes fist* and stop taking photos of us

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      which is totally what she said
  4. Wasted chance by ccguy · · Score: 4, Funny

    A 2020 WILL BE THERE FOR YOU TO VIEW
    Apparently the original recipients(tm) had a chance to meet the very first spammer and have physical access to him and his product and wasted the chance.
    1. Re:Wasted chance by somersault · · Score: 1

      They should have gone and shouted a conversation with him until he promised to stop using all caps.

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      which is totally what she said
    2. Re:Wasted chance by eln · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh come on, the only people on the ARPAnet back in 1978 were the nerdiest of the nerds. What were they going to do, throw their pocket protectors at the guy?

      For reference, the people complaining about the spam on that page are her, him, and also this guy

      I'm sure the DEC guy was quaking in his boots.

    3. Re:Wasted chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At which point the spammer shouted "WE HAVE MORE THAN 6-BIT CHARACTER SET TERMS FOR OUR VOICES HERE BITCHES".

      Whereas when sending the message, they might not have...1978 after all.

    4. Re:Wasted chance by DrWhizBang · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... her, him, and also this guy

      No wonder they are looking to set up an online dating service :-D

      --
      Schrodinger's cat is either dead or really pissed off...
    5. Re:Wasted chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eln, to put it mildy, nicely done research with the pics

    6. Re:Wasted chance by Nullav · · Score: 1

      And how do you think they climbed to the top of the pale crowd of nerds, each of them protected by starched white shirts of armor and wielding deadly laser pointers, to get the title of 'nerdiest of the nerds'? That requires work.
      They could have simply choked him from afar with the combined might of their neckbeards.

      --
      I just read Slashdot for the articles.
    7. Re:Wasted chance by Miseph · · Score: 1

      Yeah, especially Jake.

      --
      Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
    8. Re:Wasted chance by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      They should have cut off his head and stuck it on a pike as a warning to the next 10 generations that some email come with too high a price. We could all look up into his lifeless eyes and wave.. like this..."

      --

      Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

  5. The more things change, the more they stay the sam by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love the fact that the message starts with a buffer overflow.

    --
    No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
  6. Fail! by aliquis · · Score: 5, Funny

    "APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN."

    So, uhm, they failed?

    ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
    ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
    ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
    ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
    ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.

    1. Re:Fail! by jheath314 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Some other choice quotes from the discussion prompted by that first spam:

      THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN. Great! Now we'll never have to worry about this issue ever again.

      There are many companies in the U.S. and abroad that would like to have access to the Arpanet. Naturally all of them cannot have this access. Naturally... there are still areas of the Sahara without internet access, right? Right?

      I shudder to think about it, but I can envision junk mail being sent to people who implement Dialnet, and no way it could be prevented or stopped. I guess the ultimate solution is the command in your mail reading subsystem which deletes an unwanted message. Hey, it works for Strong Bad.

      And now, for the win:

      The amount of harm done by any of the cited "unfair" things the net has been used for is clearly very small. ... By the suggested reasoning, we should always follow the political views that we don't believe in, and especially those of terrorists, in anticipation of their attempts to impose them on us. Good to see that spam had its defenders back in the day. Does bringing up terrorism count as a Godwin nowadays?
      --
      Procrastination Man strikes again!
  7. That was vaguely disappointing... by bluemonq · · Score: 4, Funny

    I half-expected to see a message more along the lines of, "Xp4nd y0ur R4m, d3creeese ur l4tency".

    1. Re:That was vaguely disappointing... by EvilNTUser · · Score: 1

      Sorry dude, I for one want to increase my latency!

      Interesting business plan, though. I don't think that niche has ever been exploited before. Do you want some venture capital?

      --
      My Sig: SEGV
    2. Re:That was vaguely disappointing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is going into my signature today.

  8. Happy birthday Spam! by ohzero · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks for making people focus less on sending me physical junk mail. The development of a spam filter which automatically rubs it in feces and sends it back to the originator wasn't going so well. The robots were the hard part. Stupid robots.

    --
    -- http://www.criticalassets.com
    1. Re:Happy birthday Spam! by SterlingSylver · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the initial robots would sometimes mistake their owners for spam, so when they went to rub the spam in feces...well...it was a precurser to 2001

    2. Re:Happy birthday Spam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physical junk mail does have some value though - about 0.04â/kg.

    3. Re:Happy birthday Spam! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Actually I do have a note on my door saying I don't want any advertisement, which work for most stuff.

      But it seems like the pizza and kebab restaurant owners kids can't read, or those notes are only valid for the regular mail, in any case I get their ads anyway.

      So I've typed "no ads and no kebab flyers either" but I still get them.

      Each time I get them I actually think for myself: I should drag it in poo and go back and return it telling them that if they are going to give me that shit I'll return mine.

      But so far I have never done it. Some day ..

  9. It's a shame by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Funny

    that we can't get today's spammers to manually type in every address too. That might cut down on spam a bit.

    1. Re:It's a shame by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      that we can't get today's spammers to manually type in every address too. That might cut down on spam a bit.

      Combine that with cutting off the hands of spammers, and I think you'd be onto something. :-P

      Cheers
      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    2. Re:It's a shame by Dekker3D · · Score: 1

      i like your logic. after all, they -are- stealing bandwidth from more useful internet services. stealing.. thieves... cutting off hands... it all makes sense :)

  10. usenet spam - greencard lawyers by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was sometime in the early 1990s when some lawyers posted a message to every usenet newsgroup advertising a greencard service. I dont think they did it by hand, but automated script.

    Usenet hasnt fared too well lately. Soem Chinese guy piosts tens of thousands of messages a day trying to sell direct factory output. Changes the posting address in every messsage so normal filters have problems.

    I think the younger crowd has long moved over to special interest groups on social netowrking sites.

    1. Re:usenet spam - greencard lawyers by Intron · · Score: 4, Informative

      The script was written in perl, of course.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_&_Siegel

      The article has notes about their numerous ethical lapses also.

      --
      Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
    2. Re:usenet spam - greencard lawyers by Neil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Canter and Siegel. I still remember firing up trn that morning, coming across the same off-topic message in group after group, and realizing that someone had used a newsgroups list in conjunction with a perl script or something to post the same advert to every USENET group in existence.

      The mechanism was obvious as soon as you saw the results, but it seemed so obviously wrong and inappropriate "why would anyone *do* that!". The beginning of the end of the golden age ...

    3. Re:usenet spam - greencard lawyers by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I remember thinking, "What the fuck do these idiots think they're doing?". And then the floodgates were opened and the crap became ubiquitous...

    4. Re:usenet spam - greencard lawyers by justrob · · Score: 1

      I remember this well.

      It was the first piece of spam I'd ever seen and I was so livid I called them and gave them a piece of my mind. Yes, they had a real phone number in the posting.

      I had a shell account with Netcom at the time and the users were so ticked off we started a private Usenet group on the Netcom servers so we could moan and bitch about Canter & Siegel.

  11. Serves 'em Right by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 1
    "They had to type in all the addresses by hand first."

    I think they should each be made to eat a 30 year old can of SPAM(TM) for what they unknowingly started.

    --
    Invenio via vel creo
    1. Re:Serves 'em Right by wattrlz · · Score: 1

      How about a can for each recipient they have spammed? Spam's like twinkies. It doesn't go bad until after you open it, but if you had to eat 400 or so cans of the stuff you'd probably die, or at least puke a lot.

  12. Mr. Watson, come here, I want to sell you a DEC by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is spam's "Mr. Watson, come here, I want to see you." It's so special, it brings a tear to my eye.

    They forgot to include a remove link though. WTF?

    1. Re:Mr. Watson, come here, I want to sell you a DEC by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Though in the case of Spam, I'm surprised it wasn't "Mr. Watson, come here, did you kn0w that you can get h0m3 r3f!n@nCINg for less then 6% APR, no questions asked?"

      Or, "Mr. Watson, come here, do you want a G1@nt C0ck like me, if so, buy this pill."

      Or, "Mr. Watson, come here, you great uncle from Nigeria just died and you stand to inherit a fortune!"

  13. Notify him about a dating service everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And he couldn't get laid, even then !

  14. 30 Years On... by Pete+Slash+Work · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And RMS is STILL a whinging windbag.... Some things never change!

  15. RMS: If we outlaw spam the terrorists have won! by Brownstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    RMS truly is a visionary.

    1. Re:RMS: If we outlaw spam the terrorists have won! by moosesocks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      3) It has just been suggested that we impose someone's standards on us because otherwise he MIGHT do so. Well, if you feel that those standards are right and necessary, go right ahead and support them. But if you disagree with them, as I do, why hand your opponents the victory on a silver platter? By the suggested reasoning, we should always follow the political views that we don't believe in, and especially those of terrorists, in anticipation of their attempts to impose them on us. If those who think that the job offers are bad are going to try to prevent them, then those of us who think they are unrepugnant should uphold our views. Besides, I doubt that anyone can successfully force a site from outside to impose censorship, if the people there don't fundamentally agree with the desirability of it.


      This was written in 1978.

      For some reason, I really can't get that to settle in, and as much as I hate to call RMS a "visionary", that comment might as well have been written last week...

      The fact that RMS and his supporters "won" this side of the debate may very well have played a significant role in shaping the events of the past 15 years.
      --
      -- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
    2. Re:RMS: If we outlaw spam the terrorists have won! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason some people have such an aversion to the 'terrorists will win' argument is because, deep down, they know it's TRUE. In other words, Suck it, libs.

      And shouts out to my homie RMS for inventing such a killer argument, lo so many years ago.

  16. Look who's 70 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those wondering, the original spam (nee Hormel spiced ham) turned 70 last year.

    1. Re:Look who's 70 by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 2, Funny

      For those wondering, the original spam (nee Hormel spiced ham) turned 70 last year.

      That explains the taste ...

    2. Re:Look who's 70 by mverley · · Score: 1

      For those wondering, the original spam (nee Hormel spiced ham) turned 70 last year. Not coincidentally, it then followed up that accomplishment by turning 71 this year.
  17. I love this bit... by fm6 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ON 2 MAY 78 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) SENT OUT AN ARPANET MESSAGE ADVERTISING THEIR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN.

    IN ENFORCEMENT OF THIS POLICY DCA IS DEPENDENT ON THE ARPANET SPONSORS, AND HOST AND TIP LIAISONS. IT IS IMPERATIVE YOU INFORM YOUR USERS AND CONTRACTORS WHO ARE PROVIDED ARPANET ACCESS THE MEANING OF THIS POLICY.

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

    MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR

    CHIEF, ARPANET MANAGEMENT BRANCH, DCA Did Major Czahor have a 6-bit terminal, or was he just indulging in the traditional military fondness for capital letters? But what's really funny is that he doesn't care about the spamming as such, he just wants to remind everybody that the network was for "U.S. Government Business Only". Which is laughable, since unofficial use of ARPANET was rampant, especially in 1978. That's how Zork got developed, with its authors writing it in pieces and using feedback from the ARPANET community to improve the game. There was also an excellent database of limericks; a friend with ARPANET access was good enough to print it out for me, but I've long since lost it. Anybody seen it online? For that matter, is there a PDP-10 emulator somewhere running the original Zork? Not the Fortran port (which never had the complete game) the original MDL version.
    1. Re:I love this bit... by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Teach me how to get around lame lameness filter complaining about "YELLING".

      --
      I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
    2. Re:I love this bit... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      A certain percentage of your message has to be mixed case. I think it's about 50%.

    3. Re:I love this bit... by sootman · · Score: 1

      THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN.
      Dear Sir,

      Your post advocates a

      ( ) technical (x) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

      approach to fighting spam...

      OK, now to get around the lameness filter, I need to post some non-caps. Old joke:
      User: How do I view this email attachment?
      Sysadmin: You uudecode it.
      User: I I I decode it?
      --
      Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
    4. Re:I love this bit... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Slashdot have a human moderation system and somehow the developer(s) of the forum think that they can do a better job in code when humans do to decide what is right or wrong? I hate all kind of filters on what I type, stuff like warning/banning on "bad words" and similair aswell.

      I showed how I feelt at http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=534516&cid=23199342 ;D

      Yeah, that kind of manner are way better than occasional caps! Or not.

    5. Re:I love this bit... by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      was he just indulging in the traditional military fondness for capital letters?

      The closest thing to programmers and detail-obsessed, white collar tech software workers before computers came along were draftsmen (your heritage) and we used to write in all caps because *everything* we carefully inked-out on treated, bleached mammoth skin was important. I don't mean to boast, but I did one of the first revisions on the drawings for the original trebuchet. Mariano was quite pissed when I erased flaming turds as the projectile.

  18. Two out of three by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, no more DEC-20, no more Dunfey's, but we still have spam.

  19. It's not true by nyzapatista · · Score: 1

    The vikings ate SPAM almost a millennium ago.

  20. Poor poor lonely RMS... by arkham6 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It looks like RMS was looking for love back then too!

    10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,2250;000000000001
    Mail-from: MIT-AI rcvd at 7-MAY-78 2316-PDT
    Date: 8 MAY 1978 0213-EDT
    From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman)
    Subject: MSGGROUP# 697 Some Thoughts about advertising
    To: stefferud at USC-ISI
    Redistributed-To: [ISI]<MsgGroup>Mailing.List;154:
    Redistributed-By: STEFFERUD (connected to MSGGROUP)
    Redistributed-Date: 8 MAY 1978

    ---EDIT--

    4) Would a dating service for people on the net be "frowned upon" by DCA? I hope not. But even if it is, don't let that stop you from notifying me via net mail if you start one.

    1. Re:Poor poor lonely RMS... by AndyST · · Score: 3, Informative

      It looks like RMS was looking for love back then too! well... http://www.stallman.org/extra/personal.html
    2. Re:Poor poor lonely RMS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From his main page at www.stallman.org:

      "(...) please email it to rms at gnu dot orgy minus the y."

      I think he's looking for love in places you can't (or won't) even imagine.

  21. SPAM! by prxp · · Score: 4, Funny
    Well... I tried to make a joke here, repeating the word SPAM a lot, but I got cought by slashdot's SPAM filter:

    Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition. But I didn't dive up! Thus, I have figured out a way to beat the system, here it goes:

    while echo "SPAM!"; do echo "SPAM!"; done

    So for much for a SPAM filter, slashdot!
    1. Re:SPAM! by zx-15 · · Score: 1

      There's no point in typing 'echo "SPAM!" twice.

      while :; do echo "SPAM"; done

    2. Re:SPAM! by prxp · · Score: 1

      It was intended to be a wordplay, if you read it in english (and not in bash), you'll realize. Thanks for the tip anyway. []'s

  22. IT WAS 1978 by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    It's entirely possible that he really did have only a 6 bit character set. It was 1978, after all.

    ...laura

    1. Re:IT WAS 1978 by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, by 1978 6-bit terminals were pretty rare, at least in the computer labs I frequented. There were no longer any significant 6-bit networks, so the only reason to have a six-bit terminal was if your terminal was a electromechanical teleprinter, because mechanisms that could print the entire 7-bit ASCII character set were more expensive than those that couldn't. And by 1978, electronic terminals were beginning to replace teleprinters. This was the period in which Bill Joy used an ADM3a to write vi — the fact that vi/vim still uses h, j, k, & l for cursor motion reflects the fact that the ADM3a had arrows on those keys (its cursor motion sequences were the corresponding Control characters)

      But it doesn't surprise me that ARPA was still using 6-bit teleprinters. I can't give a logical reason, there's just something very military about it. Major Czahor probably didn't even enter the message himself; he would have dictated it to a Signals Clerk. Quaint term, that.

    2. Re:IT WAS 1978 by Undead+NDR · · Score: 1

      This was the period in which Bill Joy used an ADM3a to write vi -- the fact that vi/vim still uses h, j, k, & l for cursor motion reflects the fact that the ADM3a had arrows on those keys

      It also had the ESC key near the "Q", which must have made vi much more comfortable to use than it is on today's keyboards.

  23. Thanks spam for a good paying job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Thank you spam for providing me with a relatively high paying job for the past five years.

    If it were not for spam I'd still be doing maintainance on crufty old Fortran applications.

  24. DECSYSTEM-2020 by us7892 · · Score: 1

    Ahhh yes, the "DECSYSTEM-2020". Brings back fond memories...

    1. Re:DECSYSTEM-2020 by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder what one of those babies goes for nowadays. It might be a neat addition to my collection...

      ...wait, a 30-year-old spam just WORKED on me. Fucksocks!

  25. Stallman Wants a Date! by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn AC, you beat me to it. That comment alone made the whole thing worth reading. I was reading along, not really paying attention to who was who, but I got to that line and thought, 'okay, who is THIS yutz?' So I scrolled back and lo-and-behold! It's Stallman.

    Someone should make a Richard Lolman pic, "I'm in yer ARPAnet, begging for dates." Or "Online Dating: yer doin' it wrong." Or even "I can has girlfriend?"

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    1. Re:Stallman Wants a Date! by real+gumby · · Score: 1

      Someone should make a Richard Lolman pic, "I'm in yer ARPAnet, begging for dates." Nobody would recognize him. He had very short hair. He didn't start growing the beard/long hair until '84 or '85 and I must say it still looks out of place to me.

      In those days he used to wear an "Impeach God" button to parties. I don't know if it helped attract dates. But given his current stature that would surely be...bizarre. Or should I say, "bizarrer".
  26. USENET IS DEAD, NETCRAFT CONFIMRS IT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just couldn't resist.

  27. Named after a Python script by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Man: You sit here, dear.
    Wife: All right.
    Man: Morning!
    Waitress: Morning!
    Man: Well, what've you got?
    Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;
    Vikings: Spam spam spam spam...
    Waitress: ...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam...
    Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
    Waitress: ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
    Wife: Have you got anything without spam?
    Waitress: Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    Wife: I don't want ANY spam!
    Man: Why can't she have egg bacon spam and sausage?
    Wife: THAT'S got spam in it!
    Man: Hasn't got as much spam in it as spam egg sausage and spam, has it?
    Vikings: Spam spam spam spam... (Crescendo through next few lines...)
    Wife: Could you do the egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam then?
    Waitress: Urgghh!
    Wife: What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like spam!
    Vikings: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
    Waitress: Shut up!
    Vikings: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
    Waitress: Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam.
    Wife: I don't like spam!
    Man: Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your spam. I love it. I'm having spam spam spam spam spam spam spam beaked beans spam spam spam and spam!
    Vikings: Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
    Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.
    Man: Well could I have her spam instead of the baked beans then?
    Waitress: You mean spam spam spam spam spam spam... (but it is too late and the Vikings drown her words)
    Vikings: (Singing elaborately...) Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam!

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    1. Re:Named after a Python script by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 1

      Debug code before posting it, that python script doesn't run.

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    2. Re:Named after a Python script by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      It's the Microsoft version. Unfortunately it's closed source so we'll have to wait for the patch.

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    3. Re:Named after a Python script by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      That is a dead Python script, breft of life.

  28. That were sweet old times by mapkinase · · Score: 1, Interesting
    .. when spam was fought against by military.

    ON 2 MAY 78 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) SENT OUT AN ARPANET MESSAGE ADVERTISING THEIR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN.

    IN ENFORCEMENT OF THIS POLICY DCA IS DEPENDENT ON THE ARPANET SPONSORS, AND HOST AND TIP LIAISONS. IT IS IMPERATIVE YOU INFORM YOUR USERS AND CONTRACTORS WHO ARE PROVIDED ARPANET ACCESS THE MEANING OF THIS POLICY.

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

    MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR


    PS. to the slashscript: that's a quote, stupid, it's not "yelling", dumb idiot, it's 1978. Everybody was "YELLING" at that time.

    PPS. Sorry, guys, just skip this part. This is for the noble sake of quoting the original content IN ORIGINAL FORM.

    History

    "Idiot" was originally created to refer to "layman, person lacking professional skill", "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning".[6][7] Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), such as the Athenian democracy, was considered dishonorable. "Idiots" were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term "idiot" shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment-individuals who are "stupid". In modern English usage, the terms "idiot" and "idiocy" describe an extreme folly or stupidity, its symptoms (foolish or stupid utterance or deed). In psychology, it is a historical term for the state or condition now called profound mental retardation.[8]

    Disability

    In 19th and early 20th century medicine and psychology, an "idiot" was a person with a very severe mental retardation or a very low IQ level, as a sufferer of cretinism, defining idiots as people whose IQ were below 20 (with a standard deviation of 16);

    In current medical classification, these people are now said to have profound mental retardation, and the word "idiot" is no longer used as a scientific term.

    United States law

    The California Penal Code Section 26 states that "Idiots" are one of six types of people who are not capable of committing crimes.[9]

    In several states, "idiots" do not have the right to vote:

            * Arkansas Article III, Section 5[10]
            * Iowa Article II, section 5[11]
            * Kentucky Section 145[12]
            * Mississippi Article 12, Section 241[13]
            * New Jersey (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 6)[14]

            A resolution was passed by the State Legislature in January 2007 to remove "idiot or insane", and to add the qualifying phrase "who has been adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction to lack the capacity to understand the act of voting." As the resolution put it succintly, "This proposed amendment to the Constitution shall be submitted to the people at the next general election occurring more than three months after the final agreement. This constitutional amendment shall become part of the New Jersey Constitution upon approval by the voters." [15] The amendment passed the referendum on November 6, 2007. Hence, "New Jersey" is now crossed out in this list. [16]

            * New Mexico Article VII, section 1[17]
            * Ohio (Article V, Section 6)[18]

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    1. Re:That were sweet old times by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Funny

      .. when spam was fought against by military.
      At least Jimmy Carter didn't have the audacity to make a speech about the war on spam while standing in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner after this bold email was sent.
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    2. Re:That were sweet old times by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Methinks in that case much more audacity was required.

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  29. Oh I forgot by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Speaking of spam, there are all kinds of spam. There's what some humorless dweebs call comment spam, and then of course I must try to sell you some of this stuff.

    Then of course there's Spam, SPAM, and S.P.A.M..

    CLICK HERE FOR FREE!! pr0n

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    1. Re:Oh I forgot by prxp · · Score: 1

      Speaking of spam, there are all kinds of spam. There's what some humorless dweebs call comment spam, and then of course I must try to sell you some of this stuff.

      Then of course there's Spam, SPAM, and S.P.A.M..

      CLICK HERE FOR FREE!! pr0n The "Free Porn" link doesn't work, can you please repost it?
    2. Re:Oh I forgot by sm62704 · · Score: 1
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  30. Better definaition of Spam, Older than 30. by Prisoner's+Dilemma · · Score: 1

    While it is very common to only refer to electronic messages as spam, it would seem that a more general definition would put Spam much older.

    Spam should be defined to include ANY unsolicited proactive message. For instance, I consider it spam when some telemarketing company has a computer call my cell phone and play a recorded advertisement (despite being on the DNC list). For that matter, it's also spam when a person telemarketer wastes my time, trying to sell something.

    Aside from unsolicited phone calls, how much junk mail do you receive. Think how many trees are killed, and how much fuel is burnt transporting, and how much energy was used, producing junk mail which goes into the trash after trying to sort out important mail.

    As for estimating an actual age, who knows.

  31. Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by notthepainter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use of the word "spam" to describe unwanted electronic correspondence.

    See http://tinyurl.com/4jg5w4 (the url is a tinyurl that links to a google groups posting)

    And yes, I'm the one who said that back then, and no, I didn't think I was doing anything big, it just seemed, well, obvious at the time.

    Paul Czarnecki Cezanne

    1. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipedia disagrees, mentioning its apparently widespread prior use on USENET:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic)#History

      Oh, and get back to work. Fred Siff is watching.

    2. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by notthepainter · · Score: 2, Informative

      notice the lack of documentation to the claims. I didn't do the research on this, someone I didn't know. I had a friend point out the posting to me.

      Popular thought is that the MUDers were using the term in 1985, but alas, google hasn't archived all those MUD logs.

      Hence my careful use of the word "documented"

      Maybe I should edit the wikipedia page!

      And yes, I've been in correspondence with Brad Templeton, he also disputes my claim. But, I do have the google archive to back me up. If only I had been oblique in my reference.

    3. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEVER click on tinyurl links! you simply do NOT know where they're going, and this could damage your computer, or worse, land you in jail!

    4. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (the url is a tinyurl that links to a google groups posting) Yeah, right. Pull the other one, goat-boy.

      Seriously, though, why not just post the full link? It's not like it would not automatically wrap. Or you could just use an anchor tag. Probably faster and simpler, too.
    5. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by notthepainter · · Score: 1

      ok, here's the full link ahref=http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin/msg/483c12f48d13225e?output=gplrel=url2html-26238http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin/msg/483c12f48d13225e?output=gpl>

    6. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by notthepainter · · Score: 2, Informative

      arghhh.... lets try this again. http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/msg/b7ce97a77276e16f I've not put it in an URL since that doesn't seem to work.

    7. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by thepotoo · · Score: 2, Informative
      I agree; and I tracked down the original for you to click on.

      http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin/msg/483c12f48d13225e?output=gpl

      Slashdot should block *.tinyurl.com and that yahoo scripts place, as well as prevent AC's from posting live links.

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    8. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by btempleton · · Score: 1

      No, I saw this post in my research, but it's your signature, not a use of the term in a context. What is needed is to find some evidence that people treated it as a use of the term in this context, or as coining effort or that it moved the term from MUDs to USENET. My searches did not turn up any uses of the word that appear to derive from this one.

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    9. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by DriedClexler · · Score: 0

      How does "Spam, spam, spam, Usenet, and spam" constitute "using spam to mean unwanted e-correspondence"? It's not clear what the term "spam" means in that context.

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    10. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by prxp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I beg to differ a little bit. Let's take a look at this signature:

      "Paul Czarnecki -- Spam, spam, spam, Usenet, and spam"

      I might be wrong, but it is my interpretation that this is a parody that states that most of the messages this poor guy used to get in his mail box were crap with some occasional usenet messages in between. That's not only a use of the term (as we do today) within a context, but also a clear evidence of the link between Hormel SPAM and Electronic SPAM (stated by most as the possible, but not yet proved, origin of the term).
      Of course it always will be a matter of interpretation, but for me this sounds like a use of the term SPAM as we use it today and the author of the text clearly states the original meaning of the text as being the same we imply for Electronic SPAM. Since it is a matter of interpretation, why not providing the full story and let the public decide? I think this is a valid information that has encyclopedic and historical value.

    11. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by notthepainter · · Score: 1

      No argument there. It is certainly, in my mind, what I meant. I do wish I hadn't been so obscure, but that is the downside to being clever, one sometimes isn't always understood. Clearly my first use didn't take off, like many obvious things, many people discover it independently.

      I think I still have 14 of my 15 minutes left.

    12. Re:Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use by btempleton · · Score: 1

      Well, I always read this as just a slight modification of the Monty Python line, which is something of the form "Spam, spam, spam, sausage and spam." In this case the waitress is describing what they have. The sausage is the one good thing amid the spam -- that's the opposite of how you are taking this sig in your modern context.

      However, what I really want to see to include this message as a source is some indication that somebody took the signature to mean, "oh, he wants to call junk messages spam." I did not find that in my prior searches. It certainly doesn't say it in the message -- it's just a sig -- so we need to see some reaction if we're going to interpret this as playing a role in the coining of the term. Lots of people used the word "spam" in messages in the old days. There were even sites with spam in their hostname. What matters is people being inspired to the new meaning of the term. I am interested in all documentation any can find on that beyond what I have found.

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  32. Not much has changed by Noexit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    30 years later one crap message to a list can still generate dozens of messages bitching about the extra traffic and waste of resources.

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  33. Another 30th Anniversay Coming Soon! by jayveekay · · Score: 1

    Lowercase letters that we now take for granted.

  34. Real Spam is 70 years old by Dretep · · Score: 1

    This title is misleading. Spam is actually 70 years old, going on 71; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(food)

  35. Al Gore? by funk1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

    How come Al Gore isn't on this list? Interesting...

    1. Re:Al Gore? by daeley · · Score: 2, Funny

      Coincidentally, it's also the 30th anniversary of that joke. :P

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  36. No birthday yet. Story is not what it appears. by dynamo · · Score: 1

    If the first message were sent out on April 25, 1978, then it would be the birthday now. This story is posted a week early.
    In this form, the story I'm responding to is just advertising the upcoming birthday of spam - thus it is meta-spam.

  37. A conversation with my children by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 3, Funny
    Q: Daddy, how old are you?

    A: Older than spam, kiddo.

    Q: ooooooooh

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  38. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  39. nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice. Apparently this means I've never known a world without spam. ;-(

  40. I feel left out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was there, but the list seems to start with D and my name starts with C, so I didn't get the spam. I did hear about it, but it wasn't all that big a deal.

    Those who weren't around in 1978 seem to be unaware that ALL WE HAD WERE DUMB GLASS TTYS THAT ONLY SENT CAPS. If you don't know what a TTY is you might want to look it up...

  41. They called out some major industries by lbgator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's kind of neat to read TFA - they mentioned many things which ARPAnet wasn't intended for but would eventually become profit centers on the internet: dating services, job finding services, advertising, and general announcements (births in this instance). In this one discussion of what the network should and shouldn't be for they called out some of the major industries to come.

  42. I realized spam was overkill... by xtracto · · Score: 2, Funny

    I realized spam was overkill when I received a letter (real, dead tree letter) from some USA company wanting to sell me penis enlargement products at my home address... ... in a forsaken city in Mexico. Really, how much did it cost for them to send me such letters?

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    1. Re:I realized spam was overkill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, how much did it cost for them to send me such letters? Asl AOL.
  43. Spam Is 30 Years Old by Tarlus · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe the meat product sold in cans often is, too.

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  44. Don't give it undeserved respect. by DescData · · Score: 1

    >>Nevertheless, the email was a portent of things to come. Today, spam makes up 80 to 90% of all emails sent - around 120 billion messages per day - and is a multi-billion dollar industry.>>

    Steel and textiles, those are industry. The waste e-mail activity is not an industry.

    What we should be doing is shuting it down.

  45. Action by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1
    "Appropriate action is being taken to preclude its occurrence again"

    If only!

  46. Eerie similarity to Viagra spam of today by Cut'n+Paste · · Score: 1

    Just look at the language:

    "A new low-end member" and promises of an "upward extension".

  47. But it would have been.... by ScienceDada · · Score: 1

    It would have been for Viagra (had it been invented 24 years earlier).

  48. Never used VMS by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    Guess you never used VMS apparently...

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    1. Re:Never used VMS by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Guess you never used VMS apparently... Well, no, I haven't. But you made me curious, so I went and looked it up. VMS, like many OSs from that period, assumed that the user might not have access to lower case, and ignored case in things like the command line and file names. But that's also true of DOS/Windows command line and file systems.

      It's true that the docs gave commands in all caps, but that's just a doc convention — one still followed by Windows documentation. Open a command line window and type "help".

      And of course none of this prevents somebody with a mixed-case keyboard sending mixed-case email.

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    2. Re:Never used VMS by BluBrick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, no, I haven't. But you made me curious, so I went and looked it up. VMS, like many OSs from that period, assumed that the user might not have access to lower case, and ignored case in things like the command line and file names. But that's also true of DOS/Windows command line and file systems.

      As recently as SunOS 4.2, if capslock was on during login, getty and login assumed no access to lower case. The resulting session would be case-insensitive, and presented in uppercase. ISTR though, that real uppercase was indicated by a preceding backslash.
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    3. Re:Never used VMS by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I had completely forgotten about that "feature" (which was common to all Unixes at one time) but you're correct. I guess they had a lot of cheap 6-bit terminals at Bell Labs in 1969.

      In the late 70s, I was working in a university computer lab supporting Unix. Every couple of days, I'd have to explain to somebody why their input was all caps.

      Strange that Sun took so long to disable this feature. Even their workstations were as far away from 6-bit teleprinters as you can get.

    4. Re:Never used VMS by hughk · · Score: 1

      The VAX was announced around that year. Other than the DEC-10 and 20, Digital had a number of smaller systems based around the PDP-11. The principle user devices had lower case capability, but unlike Unix most systems were case blind for input commands. This helped a lot for people using ASR-33 teletype machines.

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  49. Kind of ironic by Pluvius · · Score: 1

    From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman)

    If I had a job to offer, I would offer it to my friends first. Is this "evil"?


    Interesting how someone who is so strongly against giving access to source code only to specific, trusted people has no problem with giving access to employment only to specific, trusted people.

    Rob

  50. spam, not Spam by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    TFA is about the first unsolicited commercial email. That became the definition of email that came to be called "spam" well after the first reference to the Monty Python sketch, which was brought up to describe massively multiple posts of advertising to usenet. It says at http://www.templetons.com/brad/spamterm.html that Joel Furr was first to call it spam, but I seem to remember someone else stating that it reminded them of "a Monty Python sketch -- spam, spam, spam, spam."

    BTW, the Hormel people never had a problem with the use of the term. In part because it was free PR, but also because they were gracious good humored about it. They went as far as to offer their own selected graphic of a spam can that could be used as a link to their pages. The idea as floated to them was to have their permission to produce a 2-link bar that said "This is Spam" [Hormel link] "and this is spam" [link to page with definition of problematic usenet and email traffic]. I can confidently state their being gracious and good natured because I was the one that suggested the links idea to them, requested the graphic of their choice, and talked with them about their reactions to use of the term. In this respect, the second of the "Cultural References" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(Monty_Python) is incorrect, though the History section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) gets it right.

    They later reacted a little differently when people insisted on using the capitalized name in their own software and anti-spam sites (such as Spam Arrest) and couldn't see their way clear to use the more generic, lower case term. People criticized them for doing so without bothering to consider that they were forced by trademark law to protect their mark (the capitalized word) no matter how much they disliked doing so, lest they lose trademark status. Sadly, few seem to remember that Hormel asked nicely at first that the lower case be used unless referring to their product. The assertion by Spam Arrest that "No company can claim trademark rights on a generic term" is wrong: a term when trademarked before it comes into common use (trademark status being awarded 40 years prior to this "common use") remains a trademark as long as the owner acts to (at least attempt to) prevent its use as a generic term. Such action kept "xerox" and "kleenex" from becoming an accepted generic terms for photocopying and facial tissue, while failure to do so allowed "aspirin" and "heroin" to become generic terms despite starting as brand names, both originally owned by Bayer AG. As a German company it was unable to protect the marks against generic use in the US, particularly during WW II. Although Hormel lost the court cases that resulted, they acted with a "reasonable attempt" to protect the ownership of the mark, and so didn't lose it.

    BTW, TFA is not a novel article. CNET published one on its 25th anniversary in 2003. In that respect, TFA is repeated public posting of commercial (or at least commercially supported) information. TFA fits the original definition of spam. In any case, New Scientist loses points for copying the idea for the article.

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  51. Solved! by cmacb · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows that Bill gates "solved" spam years ago...

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/256579_software23.asp

  52. Setting an example... by fremean · · Score: 1

    We should have made an example of the first spammer 30 years ago and strung him up by the giblets to a tree or something. Perhaps that would have helped scared people straight.

  53. Appropriate action... by notnAP · · Score: 1
    ...is being taked to preclude its occurrence again.

    whew. I'm glad they nipped that in the bud.

  54. Bah by Haoie · · Score: 1

    You'd swear 30 years would've killed spam off. But it just gets worse and worse.

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  55. Photo of Major Raymond Czahor by mr_majestyk · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Photo of Major Raymond Czahor by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Please. The dude was a standard Pentagon bureaucrat whose notion of fixing a problem was to fire off a stern memo. He doesn't deserve uberwarrior status.

  56. typed in by hand... by Tolkien · · Score: 1

    The first spam message was sent to 393 users of ARPANET on May 2 1978 by someone from computing pioneers DEC. They had to type in all the addresses by hand first. Considering the pain in the arse that woulda been, I think he earned the right to not be shunned for his message being the first spam. Heh.
  57. That guy was patient by mcwolfzhang · · Score: 1

    I'm really curious about how many hours he spent to send all the emails, considering the low speed of ARPANET

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  58. No, it's not by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    I don't think I've ever seen one that does that, and it shouldn't. However it's just as trivial to change the "From:" field. There's no provision in the SMTP protocol to validate this, or anything else for that matter.

  59. Funny spam by crossmr · · Score: 1

    I'm happy to say I've never clicked on the stuff, but one particular message will always have a special place. The subject was for "antitank viagra" I wasn't sure exactly what it was, but I felt maybe the military should be researching it.

  60. What? by clint999 · · Score: 0

    How about a can for each recipient they have spammed? Spam's like twinkies. It doesn't go bad until after you open it, but if you had to eat 400 or so cans of the stuff you'd probably die, or at least puke a lot.

  61. Technically it's 60 years old by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    I keep getting emails from 2038.

  62. Actually... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    He didn't care that it was an advertisement. He cared that it violated netiquette standards for message formatting.

    Big difference. Spamming itself wasn't the issue.

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