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Gmail Reveals the Names of All Users

ihatespam writes "Have you ever wanted to know the name of admin@gmail.com? Now you can. Through a bug in Google calendars the names of all registered Gmail accounts are now readily available. All you need to find out the names of any gmail address is a Google calendar account yourself. Depending on your view this ranges from a harmless "feature" to a rather serious privacy violation. According to some reports, spammers are already exploiting this "feature"/bug to send personalized spam messages."

438 comments

  1. This only punishes the foolish by vonPoonBurGer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I mean really... Does anyone with a lick of sense actually give their real name to a free web-based service?

    1. Re:This only punishes the foolish by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Funny

      This bug really doesn't affect me as my email address is my real name.

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    2. Re:This only punishes the foolish by thedullroar · · Score: 4, Funny

      oh noes! they can figure out my real name just by using google calendar and my email address (first.last@gmail.com)!?

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    3. Re:This only punishes the foolish by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I mean really... Does anyone with a lick of sense actually give their real name to a free web-based service?

      In short, yes. Ever since GMail was launched and people discovered that its way more convenient that Outlook/Yahoo/etc., there's been a steady conversion of addresses in my contact list to "@gmail.com". People are moving to GMail as their primary mail accounts -- I don't know if you've been listening since 1998, but "free web-based email" is now often much, much better than whatever your university/company offers.

      So yeah, this is a pretty big deal -- not so much for spammers, but as a privacy violation. You can't do a name lookup for an arbitrary e-mail address, and you shouldn't be able to do it for a GMail address. Someone should get an ass-kicking for this.

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    4. Re:This only punishes the foolish by The+Ancients · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I mean really... Does anyone with a lick of sense actually give their real name to a free web-based service?

      It's not about a 'lick of sense' as such - it's about knowledge of technology - specifically the internet, and a lack of education with regard to the internet. I know individuals with a hell of a lot of sense who would give their real names in such a situation.

      Just because you and I have a reasonable working knowledge of the ins and outs of the internet, it doesn't mean everyone else does.

    5. Re:This only punishes the foolish by poeidon1 · · Score: 1

      if people can give their addresses and telephone numbers, why not names!

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    6. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Shados · · Score: 4, Funny

      ahah! But now the spammers KNOW FOR SURE that there isn't an underscore/dash/whatever between your first and last name! You're so screwed!

    7. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Nightspirit · · Score: 1

      For some unknown reason a lot of small business owners, rather than paying 5.99/month for a domain name and email, use gmail/hotmail/aol.

    8. Re:This only punishes the foolish by drcagn · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming this also works for Google Apps customers who use the Premier version.

      That is a paid service.

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    9. Re:This only punishes the foolish by nbannerman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone should get an ass-kicking for this.

      Agreed. I'll certainly be asking for my money back...

    10. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Helios1182 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Exactly, now they will use my real name while trying to sell me discount prescription drugs and fake Rolexes.

    11. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gmail strips out punctuation. So email to First.Last@gmail.com goes to the same inbox as FirstLast@gmail.com

    12. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know individuals with a hell of a lot of sense who would give their real names in such a situation.

      So? Part of the reason for that is that full names in and of themselves are not really a security risk. I walk around all day in public with an ID badge that gives my first and last name. Big deal. Our names are our public identifiers.

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    13. Re:This only punishes the foolish by ShiNoKaze · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have that same combination on my luggage!!

    14. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost 1/4 of the personal contacts in my Outlook account are now fname.lname@gmail.com

    15. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go one further; does anyone with a lick of WEB SAVVY give their actual private details to a giant, multi-headed search engine with a reputation for being extra nosy and attempts to cache the world?

      It's great if you're looking for something, not so great if you're looking to keep online secrets.

      I'll stick with my tiny, anonymized 3rd party free web based (and solar hosted) email provider, thanks.

    16. Re:This only punishes the foolish by brainnolo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not? I know 3 people with my same first and last name (and my name isn't very common) so I'm pretty sure that by giving my real name I'm not actually giving anything.

      The email address is actually more of an identifier than your real name as 2 people cannot have the same email address.

      Now, if together with the real name, one can obtain your home address, then I'd be really concerned.

    17. Re:This only punishes the foolish by NickCatal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would they have such an unnecessary expense?

      I have no problem giving people my gmail account address for business-type-transactions because it is a hell of a lot easier to keep track of my conversations and actually get business done using gmail. When I do need a "professional" email address I usually just have it forwarded to my gmail account, again, because it is easier to keep my life organized that way.

      Not to mention how great gmail and Google Calendar Sync work on my BlackBerry.

      It has really become a first-rate application suite for just about every use.

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      -nick
    18. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Shados · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then they'll know what part is your first and last name regardless of capitalization! THIS IS HUGE!

    19. Re:This only punishes the foolish by hal9000(jr) · · Score: 4, Interesting

      for a small business owner, why not. I manage a few websites. Very, very small. Less than 20 people have write access. They wanted email. some users would use outlook or outlook express, others wanted a web mail front end. The email client the hosting service had was horrible so I hooked them up with a gmail hosted services. It works very, very nicely for them.

      there are some cases where Google is a good alternative to other options.

    20. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Zymergy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ditto.
      Since all names are really all about pretense, I set up mine on Gmail as "firstnamelastname@gmail.com" (Where 'firstname' and 'lastname' are my actual names.
      I think there are only eight or ten other people in the US with my same spelled the same anyway. Regardless, I think Gmail's spam filters have only let a couple of false negatives into my Inbox.
      *THIS* is why I use very different passwords for web mail as say, my banking or credit report service passwords, etc... If the password file were to be breached, I would only have one to change.
      I suggest a good password management app such as this one: http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/

    21. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, wait till Jonathan Lee Riches owns SCO. Google is next, unless they pay like a million trillion dollars over this!

    22. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly certain it does. I asked a friend and confirmed that I could get his information with his work address (using google apps).

    23. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Nasajin · · Score: 4, Funny

      What, your parents named you Quantum G?

    24. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

      It would take a lot of explaining to get my grandmother to understand why she's getting e-mails from some guy called Grimbleton (or any other pseudonym I use on a daily basis), signed with my name.

    25. Re:This only punishes the foolish by RevMike · · Score: 5, Funny

      So yeah, this is a pretty big deal -- not so much for spammers, but as a privacy violation. You can't do a name lookup for an arbitrary e-mail address, and you shouldn't be able to do it for a GMail address. Someone should get an ass-kicking for this.

      You know what else... Someone left a thick softcover book on my doorstep the other day that listed the names, addresses, and phone numbers of everyone in my region. Hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions. I called the police about this, but they seemed unconcerned.

    26. Re:This only punishes the foolish by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Regardless, I think Gmail's spam filters have only let a couple of false negatives into my Inbox.

      at least the filtering system in gmail doesn't make type I errors - I can deal with a few type II errors.

    27. Re:This only punishes the foolish by svank · · Score: 0

      Someone should get an ass-kicking for this.

      Agreed. I'll certainly be asking for my money back...

      That's funny at first, but Google does make ad money off your use of Gmail (unless you don't use the web interface). Perhaps you could demand that money?

    28. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Nightspirit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because it looks unprofessional (may be a pro or con depending on the business)
      ie mike@mikesauto.com versus mike34534@hotmail.com

      There is also the superficial sense of security. When I send email to Mike at his domain I'm pretty sure he is the only one reading it (although it very well could also be the isp, hosting domain, his sysadmin, and NSA). When I send email to hotmail or gmail, perhaps unfounded, I have the feeling that if they felt like it MS or google could be reading the emails and no-one would know it and/or a security breach could leak access to everyone's email.

    29. Re:This only punishes the foolish by CorporateSuit · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean Bob Marley, Elvis Presley, Jimi Hendrix, and Al Gore HAVEN'T come back from the dead and signed up for emails with Gmail thousands of times from thousands of different locations? -Registered Spammer

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    30. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's sure cooler than being named Ali G... Maybe that's his nerdless brother. The evil twin.

    31. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Damn! I was supposed to be logged in for that comment :-(

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    32. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Sparr0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      citation needed. seriously, what you describe would be a huge security/privacy hole, and I don't believe you.

    33. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Ads in gmail? Even legitimate users don't have those.

    34. Re:This only punishes the foolish by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      there's been a steady conversion of addresses in my contact list to "@gmail.com". People are moving to GMail as their primary mail accounts

      As have I - But that has no bearing on whether or not people give GMail their real names. I know I sure as hell didn't, despite using that account for a number of legitimate purposes, including professional contacts.

      And as a bonus, anyone foolish enough to spam me under a name I give to a random website actually helps my spam filtering, because I never give my real name. If someone sends "Petrov L. Aster" (as just one example I might use for my Slashdot handle) a notice that he has an inheritance from a Nigerian uncle, that message doesn't even make it to my "once a month quick look through non-whitelisted garbage" folder - it meets a hard blacklist and goes straight to /dev/null.

    35. Re:This only punishes the foolish by microbee · · Score: 1

      You are ignoring the SPAMMERS part.

      Spams with your real names in it are much more deceiving than say "Hello, abc123".

      I consider it a big privacy leak and security risk because it provides spammers a way to get MASS information easily and automatically.

    36. Re:This only punishes the foolish by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, that's inaccurate, this was debunked a while ago. I can't remember the link off the top of my head but it's not true.

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    37. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Arivia · · Score: 3, Funny

      Posting to clear moderation because I was brainless and didn't get the joke.

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    38. Re:This only punishes the foolish by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Someone left a thick softcover book on my doorstep the other day that listed the names, addresses, and phone numbers of everyone in my region. Hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions.

      Cute sarcasm, thanks. This, however, is more like a phonebook for cellphone numbers -- given that there's an expectation of privacy for your name when signing up for an e-mail address. I say expectation because it's almost certainly not legally covered, but still reasonable given current norms. So the GMail situation is more like AT&T revealing your full name to ANYONE if they call with your unlisted/cellphone number in hand and just say a secret word. Sure, the name/number linkage is on your business card too, but giving it out is YOUR choice and there's a reason you can't get the information by just calling AT&T (if you're not NSA,etc.).

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    39. Re:This only punishes the foolish by BlueParrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mean really... Does anyone with a lick of sense actually give their real name to a free web-based service?

      You do realise you give LOTS of mail servers WAY more private information every time you send or RECIEVE a non-encrypted e-mail, right? Mommy wrote you saying happy birthday and signed her message with her full name? Your employer, coworker or friends ever wrote you an e-mail ? Seriously, if you worry about google knowing your full name I think you should probably panic right about now given that everybody who has ever sent you an e-mail FROM gmail has given google a hell of a lot more info about you. Heck chances are that using just data stored by google it is possible to deduce the names of the majority of your coworkers, a good portion of your friends, where you live, a good number of your interests, as well as the birthday of your uncle.

      That people get worked up about things like google knowing their name tells you a whole lot about just how little they realise about what google knows.

    40. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Drakonik · · Score: 4, Informative

      False. For GMail, dots are invisible in regards to who receives the email. Emails sent to foobar@gmail.com and foo.bar@gmail.com and f.o.o.b.a.r@gmail.com all go to the same address. Messages sent to foo.bar@gmail.com don't go to bar@gmail.com.

    41. Re:This only punishes the foolish by mrbluze · · Score: 1

      Posting to clear moderation because I was brainless and didn't get the joke.

      Posting to thank you because I wish all moderators were as honest. OTOH also you were wise because you probably would have been down-metamoderated.

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    42. Re:This only punishes the foolish by pha7boy · · Score: 4, Informative

      you are incorrect. john.richards@gmail.com send mail to johnrichards@gmail.com not to richards@gmail.com. Stripping the punctuation means gmail ignores it, not kills off the first part.

      what you are talking about is using + in your email address: see here Google Blog

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    43. Re:This only punishes the foolish by 3vi1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, her parents named her Moon Unit. What kind of fucking name would "Quantum G" be?!?!

    44. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes your public mild mannered alter ego identity is public and meaningless without knowing what your superhero identity is!

    45. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Nasajin · · Score: 1

      Quantum G is the name of the parent post's author. That's what kind of fucking name "Quantum G" is.

    46. Re:This only punishes the foolish by srlapo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's just paranoia. Everyone with administrative/root access to the mail server could read them, not that they care what's in there usually. The fact that someone is paying for their mailbox or not has nothing to do with that. You are probably safer with the big names, at least they have established protocols and guidelines for privacy...
      Besides you can have your @yourdomain.com email with google too, for free. Ever heard of google apps? http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/index.html

    47. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well-designed password systems won't actually store it in a password file, but only a one-way hash of it.

    48. Re:This only punishes the foolish by c0ol · · Score: 1

      You can use gmail with a custom domain

    49. Re:This only punishes the foolish by shanen · · Score: 1

      How about confusing the issue by using multiple spam-trap email addresses. Of course the one that is based on your real name should be a spam trap, but you can also use real.name.nospam as a reverse psychology obfuscation (that also goes nowhere). Then you should also register real.name.nospam.really and really.my.real.name real.name.might.be.here@gmail.com so the spammers have to try the related permutations, too.

      Meanwhile, my actual email address is Mr_Mxyzptlk_esq, but with heavy obfuscation.

      (Just joking about the actual email address--but if you think I'm going to reveal it here, that would be really funny.)

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    50. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Honestly i use my Gmail account for lots of professional things, but scoff if someone uses a hotmail or AOL account. They're very different beasts to me.
      Gmail is a very good and tech savvy company, and their e-mail service is top-notch (built-in chat, conversational messaging, filters, easy management of multiple e-mail addresses). AOL is a horrible old company that has no innovation and screws its users, and their e-mail service is piss-poor. If someone sends me an e-mail from AOL, i know they have very low technical standards (because they are willing to put up with the simple features AOL provides, or aren't aware of what else is out there), and if they send one from Gmail, i know they are at least in some way ahead of the curve, or at the very least not behind it...
      In fact, i manage our website and server related stuff here at the office, and i have a nice e-mail address with our domain on it and everything, and all it does is go to my gmail (with an automatic tag and highlight saying it's work e-mail, and replies automatically set to reply from that address). Point being, gmail is BETTER than any domain-based mail service.
      -Taylor

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    51. Re:This only punishes the foolish by ThePengwin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait, the Rolexes are fake?!?!

    52. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing that he's Ali's younger brother.

    53. Re:This only punishes the foolish by billj04 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This actually is a security risk -- a lot of websites use your name as proof that their email is legitimate, and not originating from a phisher. For example, eBay's emails contain the following text at the top:

      eBay sent this message to FULL NAME (account)
      Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more.

      The "Learn more" link takes you to http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/name-userid-emails.html which explains

      Since people who send out spoof emails often don't have your first and last name as well as eBay User ID, receiving an email that contains this information should increase your confidence that the email was sent by eBay.

    54. Re:This only punishes the foolish by shanen · · Score: 1, Redundant

      I couldn't believe it, so I tested it--and Gmail evidently *DOES* ignore periods in the left side of the email address.

      However, I actually don't regard it as a privacy security hole, though it is an interesting feature with lots of implication. For one thing, it prevents people from using similar email addresses by shuffling periods around. It also means that I could register for various websites with multiple variations of my Gmail address...

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    55. Re:This only punishes the foolish by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      Spams with your real names in it are much more deceiving than say "Hello, abc123".

      Only to the painfully naive ... and while I know there are lots of painfully naive people out there on the internet I am seriously beginning to have a harder and harder time feeling any sense of pity for people who respond to spam or phish attempts - even if it happens to use your real name.

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    56. Re:This only punishes the foolish by 3vi1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whooosh.

    57. Re:This only punishes the foolish by digital_rich · · Score: 1

      Hi, my name's Gill... Gill Bates.

    58. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am aware of the period-ignoring feature, by which gmail treats Bob.Smith@ and Bo.bS.mith@ and BobSmith@ as the same person. That is not at issue. The parent claims that email sent to Bob.Smith@ is also delivered to [just] Smith@, which I believe to be false.

    59. Re:This only punishes the foolish by JensenDied · · Score: 1
      Now if only it was that easy for the public.

      "Can you tell us who committed this crime?"
      "It was that two-armed guy."

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    60. Re:This only punishes the foolish by zamboni1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

      There are two X's in Rolexx.

    61. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your email address is shanen@yahoo.com.

    62. Re:This only punishes the foolish by zamboni1138 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Posting to say that I moderated you Funny, then realized that "[I've] already posted something in this discussion."

    63. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Korbeau · · Score: 1

      He was making a joke about the daughter of Frank Zappa named "Moon Unit" Zappa, and I must agree I couldn't find a REAL-LIFE name weirder than this one on top of my head ;)

    64. Re:This only punishes the foolish by aldo.gs · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where 'firstname' and 'lastname' are my actual names.

      Damn! Some nasty name you got there! Perhaps I'll name my son 'firstname' too!

    65. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh man! So email can be sent to me at the.rapist@gmail.com or therapist@gmail.com?

    66. Re:This only punishes the foolish by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dweezil?

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    67. Re:This only punishes the foolish by antek9 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, and using the exploit referred to in the article, your real names will be revealed as Jekyll and Hyde, respectively.

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    68. Re:This only punishes the foolish by antek9 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Correct. Gmail explains it this way (try sending an e-mail to yourself, putting in some dots, and you'll of course receive it yourself, with a small link in the header next to the recipient address (appropriately named, 'yes, this is you'):

      Sometimes you may receive a message intended for someone whose address resembles yours but has a different number or placement of dots. For example, your address might be homerjsimpson@gmail.com, but the message was sent to a Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com. What's going on?

      Gmail allows only one registration for any given username. Once you sign up for a particular username, any dot or capitalization variations are made permanently unavailable for new registration. If you created yourusername@gmail.com, no one can ever register your.username@gmail.com, or Your.user.name@gmail.com. Furthermore, because Gmail doesn't recognize dots as characters within usernames, adding or removing dots from a Gmail address won't change the actual destination address. Messages sent to yourusername@gmail.com, your.username@gmail.com, and y.o.u.r.u.s.e.r.n.a.m.e@gmail.com are all delivered to your inbox, and only yours.

      If you're homerjsimpson@gmail.com, no one owns Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com, except for you. Sending mail to Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com is the same as sending mail to homerjsimpson@gmail.com, or even HOMERJSIMPSON@GMAIL.COM. If you're getting mail addressed to Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com, most likely someone was trying to send a message to Homer.J.Sampson@gmail.com, or Homer.J.Simpson1@gmail.com, and made a mistake. You might even get messages from mailing lists or website registrations because the intended recipient accidentally provided the wrong email address. In these cases, we suggest contacting the original sender or website when possible to alert them to the mistake.

      For security reasons, when you log in to Gmail, you must enter any dots that were originally defined as part of your username.

      Note: Google Apps recognizes dots. If you'd like to receive mail with a dot in your username, please ask your domain administrator to add the desired username as a nickname.

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    69. Re:This only punishes the foolish by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A better method for customizing your registered email address is to use "+" on the left side. "me+example.com@gmail.com" should be directed to "me@gmail.com" by their system. I say "should" simply because I've never tested the "+" feature with "."s in "it."
      "

      I"m sorry, I seem to have a quotation infesta""tion. The information"s correct, though.

    70. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Which is why I strip out the dot when registering to sites and the little filter that drops everything without the dots into my trash takes care of any resulting spam. :)

    71. Re:This only punishes the foolish by brusk · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll stick with my tiny, anonymized 3rd party free web based (and solar hosted) email provider, thanks.

      I'll stick to earth-based email providers, thank you very much. Though off-planet backups are helpful in case of catastrophe.

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    72. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Liath · · Score: 0

      They also do + addressing, mygmail+formname@gmail.com goes to mygmail@gmail.com but will give you an idea of who's giving out your email rather neatly. (ryan.2341+slashdot@gmail.com)

    73. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      How do people normally spell Zymergy?

    74. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      here

      Your address is similar but has more or fewer dots (.) or different capitalization.

                  Sometimes you may receive a message intended for someone whose address resembles yours but has a different number or placement of dots. For example, your address might be homerjsimpson@gmail.com, but the message was sent to a Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com. What's going on?

                  Gmail allows only one registration for any given username. Once you sign up for a particular username, any dot or capitalization variations are made permanently unavailable for new registration. If you created yourusername@gmail.com, no one can ever register your.username@gmail.com, or Your.user.name@gmail.com. Furthermore, because Gmail doesn't recognize dots as characters within usernames, adding or removing dots from a Gmail address won't change the actual destination address. Messages sent to yourusername@gmail.com, your.username@gmail.com, and y.o.u.r.u.s.e.r.n.a.m.e@gmail.com are all delivered to your inbox, and only yours.

                  If you're homerjsimpson@gmail.com, no one owns Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com, except for you. Sending mail to Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com is the same as sending mail to homerjsimpson@gmail.com, or even HOMERJSIMPSON@GMAIL.COM. If you're getting mail addressed to Homer.J.Simpson@gmail.com, most likely someone was trying to send a message to Homer.J.Sampson@gmail.com, or Homer.J.Simpson1@gmail.com, and made a mistake. You might even get messages from mailing lists or website registrations because the intended recipient accidentally provided the wrong email address. In these cases, we suggest contacting the original sender or website when possible to alert them to the mistake.

                  For security reasons, when you log in to Gmail, you must enter any dots that were originally defined as part of your username.

                  Note: Google Apps recognizes dots. If you'd like to receive mail with a dot in your username, please ask your domain administrator to add the desired username as a nickname.

    75. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And it will go to the owner of last@gmail.com too. There's a lot of accounts with simple names like richards@gmail.com or gonzales@gmail.com which get ALL e-mail sent to owners of a dotted mail, for example: juan.gonzales@gmail.com, john.richards@gmail.com.

      Is this unclear in some way? He is claiming that mail to first.last@gmail.com is delivered to last@gmail.com, which is hopefully and almost certainly false.

    76. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Sancho · · Score: 0

      From http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=616555&cid=24221601

      And it will go to the owner of last@gmail.com too. There's a lot of accounts with simple names like richards@gmail.com or gonzales@gmail.com which get ALL e-mail sent to owners of a dotted mail, for example: juan.gonzales@gmail.com, john.richards@gmail.com.

    77. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Zymergy · · Score: 1

      The proper spelling is "Zymurgy'": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zymurgy & http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zymurgy
      I am "Zymergy" on /. and a couple of other places... Unfortunately, that username is not my gmail login either, both were already taken...
      It just sounded so much better to me than "teetotaler" or "teetotaller" and it is nearly always on the last page of any good English dictionary... :)

    78. Re:This only punishes the foolish by New_Age_Reform_Act · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only the period, the "+" sign also gives you the variation:

      abcdef@gmail.com
      abcdef+1@gmail.com
      abcdef+2@gmail.com

      and so on.

      Note: This does NOT work in Facebook.

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    79. Re:This only punishes the foolish by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      I've already got it figured out, Thed Ellroar! No google hacking needed.

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    80. Re:This only punishes the foolish by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They also ignore anything after a + sign, so I use username+site@gmail.com to sign up for legit stuff where I think there's a chance of getting spammed in the future, if I do get spammed on that alias I write a rule to drop it to the floor and contact the company letting them know they now have zero chance of getting future business with me. The only problem is when a stupid validation script writer doesn't know how to read an RFC and claims the address is invalid. In that case they get my old excite address which is nothing but a spamhole. I guess I could use my google apps address, but it's too much of a pain to create a new user just for one site and I never read the catchall mailbox unless I know I'm missing an important email.

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    81. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

      And two O's in Roloxx. You know it's the real thing because the dial on the watch face goes up to eleven.

    82. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Victor+Antolini · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Citation is myself witnessing it, last time about 6 months ago. Google must have probably fixed it.

      I've received e-mails sent to vincenzo.myaccount@gmail.com, ornella.myaccount@gmail.com and many others. I DONT own those accounts, how could you explain that?

      I've got them right there on my inbox. And I personally know four people that saw the same thing. I've reported it to google two times in its time and so far I've received no reply.

    83. Re:This only punishes the foolish by timrichardson · · Score: 1

      Mr vonPoonBurGer, who are you to lecture?

    84. Re:This only punishes the foolish by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Funny

      mine goes to thirteen...

    85. Re:This only punishes the foolish by hdparm · · Score: 1

      Is that 'firstname' or 'surname'?

    86. Re:This only punishes the foolish by omeomi · · Score: 1

      This bug really doesn't affect me as my email address is my real name.

      Your real name is qg@biodome.org? Parents were hippies?

    87. Re:This only punishes the foolish by kayditty · · Score: 0

      It also seems like it would be a useful cautionary measure. There was a post above this one, wherein a quote from the GMail site was pasted, claiming that you must also log in with any dots you placed in your name during the sign-up process (naturally). You could, theoretically, strategically place a sequence of periods inside of your username to thwart off attempts at gaining access to your account. It doesn't stop all attacks, of course. Someone could just steal your session, as always (unless you use HTTPS for your GMail -- a wise decision!).

    88. Re:This only punishes the foolish by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      I can see the headline now: Americans confused by man with multiple email addresses.

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    89. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Matt+Edd · · Score: 1

      Zowie Bowie would take second place in my book.

    90. Re:This only punishes the foolish by johnw · · Score: 1

      Parent makes no such claim.

      Yes it does! For goodness sake go and read it instead of making a fool of yourself.

    91. Re:This only punishes the foolish by kayditty · · Score: 0

      By the way, someone can still steal your session, depending on how GMail handles them. I don't use GMail, so I don't know. But it would be a lot harder. Without HTTPS, someone can just steal your cookie (there are a variety of ways of doing so that don't necessarily allow for other exploits) and send it to their server. In a scenario where you're using a secure connection, however, an attacker would have to do something a bit more advanced, like XSRF of session ID brute forcing, both of which would be dependent upon a particularly small window of opportunity, and the latter of which would require computation sufficient enough to necessitate a much larger timeframe than is allowed by such a window.

    92. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Mjec · · Score: 1

      You can't do a name lookup for an arbitrary e-mail address, and you shouldn't be able to do it for a GMail address.

      Well, for a long time, you could. And for a whole bunch of organisations, you still can.

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    93. Re:This only punishes the foolish by vegiVamp · · Score: 0

      Plus-adressing isn't exactly a new idea, but it's nice that they've implemented it. Makes it easier to trace which bastard site has been selling my address :-)

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    94. Re:This only punishes the foolish by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check the message headers. Probably, the envelope recipient (SMTP RCPT To) was your account and the header "To:" was the address you don't own.

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    95. Re:This only punishes the foolish by PassiveAggressive · · Score: 1

      That's correct. Moreover, google will ignore whatever comes after a + sign, so email sent to firstlast+slashdot@gmail.com will be delivered to firstlast@gmail.com

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    96. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Message sent to foo+bar@gmail.com will go to foo@gmail.com though. I use this trick when I have to sign up for a website. I just use foo+[site name]@gmail.com and set up a new filter.

    97. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Hurga · · Score: 1

      Ever since GMail was launched and people discovered that its way more convenient that Outlook/Yahoo/etc., there's been a steady conversion of addresses in my contact list to "@gmail.com". People are moving to GMail as their primary mail accounts -- I don't know if you've been listening since 1998, but "free web-based email" is now often much, much better than whatever your university/company offers.

      That might get interesting soon, because I've already seen people starting to block GMail in their filters due to the amounts of spam originating from there. The spammers seem to be moving to GMail, too... it's definetely on top of what gets though my filters, well above the previous winner Yahoo.

      Hanno

    98. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Silas+is+back · · Score: 1

      That claim is bullshit like no other claim I've ever heard of regarding Google.

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    99. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Note however that quite a few broken sites mistakenly believe that the plus (+) sign isn't allowed in email addresses. Bit of a shame since it makes for a convenient sorting method, but a recurring problem.

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    100. Re:This only punishes the foolish by ReptileQc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually there is another feature of Gmail that was advertised through their blog. And it states that me+nospam@gmail.com is directed to me@gmail.com

      So basically all the characters after the + sign (including it) in the email address is stripped to determine to receiver. You will see that the email has been sent to me+nospam@gmail.com and then can filter on it. If used intelligently, it can tell you which site is selling your email address to other 3rd party companies.

    101. Re:This only punishes the foolish by AC-x · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Drifting OT but I've found that MD5 passwords are a great way to have unique passwords for a site, eg.

      md5("MySecretPassword-www.somesite.com")

      Means you can use 1 password for everything without revealing it to any sites

    102. Re:This only punishes the foolish by wembley+fraggle · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm going to name my kid 'lastname' instead.

    103. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 1

      So ... Rolexx's are female?

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    104. Re:This only punishes the foolish by egandalf · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I use it on resumes and for contract work. Somehow I think eGandalf_Is_The_Man@gmail.com would strike potential clients and employers as unprofessional.

      As long as it's my name and not something like may CC or SSN numbers, I can live with people knowing information that is already publicly available.

      --
      Those who have telepathy have no need to RTFA.
    105. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      This post's parent is devoid of a clue.

    106. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who with decent sense use's a free email service?

    107. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      You can't do a name lookup for an arbitrary e-mail address, and you shouldn't be able to do it for a GMail address. Someone should get an ass-kicking for this.

      Unless your using your own domain for email.

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    108. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      I don't care what my Email Address looks like, so sue me.

      I don't see the point in EVER changing my email address, it defeats the point of email if nobody knows your address.

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    109. Re:This only punishes the foolish by darthnoodles · · Score: 1

      That is a nice feature except half the sites treat the '+' as an invalid character in an e-mail address and reject the address during sign-up.

    110. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by domain-based mail service?

      I can't recall the last time I sent an email to an IP address.

      ~Dan
      Dan@127.0.0.1

      --
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    111. Re:This only punishes the foolish by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      I also like to do this when I need to sign up for a sight I don't completely trust. Problem is, the majority of sites have some sort of crappy field validation that doesn't allow a "+" in your email address.

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    112. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      ...online secrets.

      Now there's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one...

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      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    113. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1

      Bzzt.

      FUD.

      Mail sent to mya.ddress@gmail.com or my.address@gmail.com all go to myaddress@gmail.com.

      It's a feature allowing you to filter your email based on where you put the "." It doesn't go to anyone else.

      Example:

      Create a filter to filter everything sent to myad.dress@gmail.com to Junk.
      Sign up for all your webstuff using that addy.
      All spam sent to you from any of the websites you signed up for with that addy will be automatically filtered.

    114. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 2, Funny

      ....

      The category is Therapists. Not The Rapists, Mr. Connery.

    115. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bob+Smith@gmail.com would, however, be delivered to Smith@gmailcom (as would Bob Smith@gmail.com, if the user were to mistakenly add a space)

    116. Re:This only punishes the foolish by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      There are two X's in Rolexx.

      I like my watches XXX.

    117. Re:This only punishes the foolish by papna · · Score: 1

      Does anyone with a lick of sense actually give their real name to a free web-based service?

      Sure, plenty of us do! My name is Mike Graham. This isn't a secret. I tell people my name all the time. This full name is in my email addresses and plenty of other places.

      If I wanted privacy in the form of anonymity, I would not be using that name. And that's fine; that's my prerogative. But I'm not doing anything nonsensical when I use my real name for things.

    118. Re:This only punishes the foolish by mrdoogee · · Score: 1

      Mine goes to M

    119. Re:This only punishes the foolish by mrdoogee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well then I'll take The Penis Mightier for 500!

    120. Re:This only punishes the foolish by mrdoogee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Posting because I like waffles.

    121. Re:This only punishes the foolish by FlippyBoy · · Score: 1

      Here is Gmail's documentation describing this functionality (you may have to open the answer to question #1). For the most part, dots are ignored by Gmail. The only exceptions are that when you log in to Gmail you must enter any dots that were originally defined as part of your username and that Google Apps does recognize dots.

    122. Re:This only punishes the foolish by pal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Forget the catchall mailbox. http://mailinator.com/ has a great system for disposable email addresses, with the caveat that you shouldn't use it if your personal information is on the line. But if you just need to give an email address to a site and get something in return that's not sensitive, it's fantastic.

    123. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This bug really doesn't affect me as my email address is my real name." Me too... For some reason, my parents named me Drag0nWarrior53...

    124. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dibs on experts.exchange@gmail.com, err, I mean expert.sex.change@gmail.com

    125. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Well, i meant for your own domain, my mistake. The parent was talking about paying for your own domain to use e-mail, but honestly i use gmail because it's better than the standard setup of outlook (or thunderbird) and your own domain. I've used groupwise too, and i still like gmail more. What else is there aside from web-based services like gmail, and programs like outlook or groupwise? Because of all those, i still think gmail is king.
      -Taylor

      --
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    126. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yet you are reluctant to reveal your real name here

    127. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can call me Master Bates!

    128. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Liquidrage · · Score: 1

      Great idea. And we can nickname him "fname".

    129. Re:This only punishes the foolish by gdog05 · · Score: 1

      This is just not true. I own last@gmail.com and I don't get a bunch of worthless ema....shit!

    130. Re:This only punishes the foolish by AtomicJake · · Score: 1

      You know what else... Someone left a thick softcover book on my doorstep the other day that listed the names, addresses, and phone numbers of everyone in my region. Hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions. I called the police about this, but they seemed unconcerned.

      Yep, and rightly so. If my name would appear in this softcover book, I would sue the publisher (I opted out in all contracts that my name and address could be published).

    131. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      I had a type I error. It was an offer of employment from a company I was negotiating with. They were quite annoyed that it took me a week to check my spam box and reply. Google almost cost me a 6 digit contract... grrr

    132. Re:This only punishes the foolish by dfn_deux · · Score: 2, Informative

      Both of these features are compliant with the RFC and are not uncommon, there is a reason the RFCs for email refer to the left hand side of the "@" as the "local part" since it is mostly up to the local mx to determine how to treat this portion.

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    133. Re:This only punishes the foolish by UMEngin · · Score: 0

      So why exactly are you posting anonymously if you are including your email address? Seems like a security gaff to me.

    134. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      I use my own domain for email and prefer my setup over that of gmail.

      The thing about using your own domain is that you are unrestricted with how you set things up and are never locked into your service provider.

      But if I did ever need a free email service then I would definatly go with gmail because it's better than most other setups, but my current setup is fine tuned to perfection where Im concerned.

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    135. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's cool.

      I certainly love gmail but i can understand why some people would prefer to have their own domain.

      My main point was simply that when talking about e-mail clients, lumping gmail in with the other free services, and then calling them all unprofessional, is something i very much disagree with.

      Something being free does not immediately make it unprofessional (umm... Linux?), but something being crappy or hokey does, and i consider AOL and hotmail to be crappy and hokey, and therefore unprofessional. Gmail, however, freaking rocks, and is a solid choice for anyone out there, businessperson or not, and i will always look positively on that choice.

      -Taylor

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    136. Re:This only punishes the foolish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try spam.la for throwaway email registration needs.

    137. Re:This only punishes the foolish by sco_is_for_babies · · Score: 1

      Oh man! So email can be sent to me at the.rapist@gmail.com or therapist@gmail.com?

      That explains the spam I get at The.Pen.Is.Mightier@gmail.com" And the day is mine!

  2. Ouf by Shados · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The person(s) responsible for this bug is going to have a nice and very uncomfy meeting with their supervisor very soon...

    1. Re:Ouf by game+kid · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...after which exercise balls (in lieu of the usual chair) will be thrown in a fit of unbridled anger (several tech websites will report a mysterious colorful stream of balls spilling out the Google offices).

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    2. Re:Ouf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't that bad. There was Rum! ;->

    3. Re:Ouf by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Funny

      The person(s) responsible for this bug is going to have a nice and very uncomfy meeting with their supervisor very soon...

      But who was responsible? Let the Ginquisition begin!

      Google has persistently pursued innovation and pushed the limits of existing technology to provide a fast, accurate and easy-to-use torture room that can be accessed from anywhere.

    4. Re:Ouf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that G-inquisition, or Gin-quisition? As one of them sounds much more fun than the other!

    5. Re:Ouf by Shados · · Score: 1

      SVN Blame to the rescue!

    6. Re:Ouf by Amisinthe · · Score: 1

      But who was responsible? Let the Ginquisition begin!

      Nobody expect the Google Inquisition!

    7. Re:Ouf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The person(s) responsible for this bug is going to have a nice and very uncomfy meeting with their supervisor very soon...

      I hope they do! because they are daft! whoever they are.

  3. Ut Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mine is registered under IP Freely. Hope that's not a real dude somewhere.

    1. Re:Ut Oh by Lazyrust · · Score: 2, Funny

      I always wondered who registered my email address. No wonder it seemed like so many people shared my name. - I.P. Freely

    2. Re:Ut Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Enough with the TCP/IP jokes already!

    3. Re:Ut Oh by whyloginwhysubscribe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have you considered a career with NASA?

    4. Re:Ut Oh by Lazyrust · · Score: 1

      I've thought about it, but it seems they want me to put too much of myself into my work.

  4. Is it really that big of a deal? by i'm+lost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I was worried about privacy with my gmail account, google wouldn't have my actual name to have the ability to give it out.

    1. Re:Is it really that big of a deal? by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 4, Informative

      If I was worried about privacy with my gmail account, google wouldn't have my actual name to have the ability to give it out.

      That's all well and good until you decide to start using actual Google services (Checkout, AdSense, AdWords, and the like). It's possible to do these things with a non-GMail email address, but you have to create a Google account anyway, so I'd venture to say most folks use their GMail address if they already have one.

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    2. Re:Is it really that big of a deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this day and age when giving a false name is supposedly theft of services and a FELONY ( http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/07/1824228&from=rss ), unfortunately maybe it is a big deal.

    3. Re:Is it really that big of a deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I was worried about privacy with my gmail account, google wouldn't have my actual name to have the ability to give it out.

      I have a google account for some webmastering tools. Freaked by the news I logged on to munge my name. Turns out, only my first name and last initial were present. So I changed my last initial. There is something to be said for paranoia consistently practiced.

    4. Re:Is it really that big of a deal? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Not to mention that my employers have started (without any process of considering implications whatsoever) started to use Google services for all their meeting arrangements, annual leave sheets, some internal email communications. I imagine some other places are doing the same. I wonder if it will get to the point where having your Google account suspended will be cause for a dismissal. At any rate, not everyone has the option of not using Google. I imagine the number of such people will increase.

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    5. Re:Is it really that big of a deal? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      I've found entering email address' into facebook to be quite effective.

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    6. Re:Is it really that big of a deal? by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      The way I see it, people are doing two things wrong.

      First, they're listing their actual names on the registration form for gmail when they could be using an alias, their initials, etc.

      Secondly, they're giving out their actual email address. Instead, people should be setting up single-use accounts at gmail by sending invites to themselves. The single-use account is then setup to forward mail to your main account where it can be tagged appropriately. You give out one of your single-use accounts to people and then if it starts receiving spam, you know who distributed your information and you can simply turn the account off by disabling the forwarding. I'm really surprised that single-use email addresses aren't built into these web-based email services.

    7. Re:Is it really that big of a deal? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that my employers have started (without any process of considering implications whatsoever) started to use Google services for all their meeting arrangements, annual leave sheets, some internal email communications. I imagine some other places are doing the same. I wonder if it will get to the point where having your Google account suspended will be cause for a dismissal. At any rate, not everyone has the option of not using Google. I imagine the number of such people will increase.

      I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem you're having. I use google apps for everything, and I often send private invites for editing my calendar and my documents to people without gmail addresses (and to people outside my google apps domain) -- and those invitees don't seem to have any problem using those tools. When I invite someone with a non-gmail address, I believe it just sends them a link with a long uuid, so they don't need to log in -- they just need to click on that link -- that's it.

  5. D'Oh by Atari400 · · Score: 5, Funny

    chunkylover53 is going to be most displeased.

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    1. Re:D'Oh by ChowRiit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fortunately for Homer Simpson, that's @aol.com

    2. Re:D'Oh by DeathGod321 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Microsoft didn't let people see the names of their users, Google did.

    3. Re:D'Oh by rice_web · · Score: 4, Funny

      Surely that's the first time it's been fortunate to be on AOL.

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    4. Re:D'Oh by Xemu · · Score: 1

      chunkylover53 is going to be most displeased.

      So will ManOfStyle...

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    5. Re:D'Oh by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Because we all know AOL would never release personal information!

      Oh, wait!

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  6. I can't believe Google would do this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Really, now everyone will know my name is John Smith? I am outraged and will see my lawyer immediately!

    -- john.smith@gmail.com

    1. Re:I can't believe Google would do this! by nexuspal · · Score: 1

      And, what you just admitted to, is a form of Electronic Fraud that is a Federal Felony... Nice huh ;-)

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    2. Re:I can't believe Google would do this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're assuming that he is not John Smith which he did not say. All he said is everyone will know his name is John Smith... Nice huh ;-)

    3. Re:I can't believe Google would do this! by nexuspal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm just sayin', you are right though, his name could be John Smith, but that would imply that his parents left a LOT to be desired. Nice retort huh ;-)

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    4. Re:I can't believe Google would do this! by liquidf · · Score: 1

      but this exploit still probably won't help sean penn...

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    5. Re:I can't believe Google would do this! by kramerd · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe google will have protection from lawsuit, since Gmail is still in Beta...

    6. Re:I can't believe Google would do this! by janrinok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only if he is an American..... The rest of us don't really care too much about other nation's laws.

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    7. Re:I can't believe Google would do this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we Americans don't care about other nation's laws, too.

  7. Why would anyone give Google honest information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With their track record of leaking information and giving it to whatever business asks them for it; why would anyone trust them with actual true information anymore?

  8. Is This Evil? by abirdman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But, does this constitute evil? So far so good. My gmail account is my real name anyway. I'll be looking out for the evil...

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    1. Re:Is This Evil? by Admodieus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this story was about a similar bug with Hotmail and Windows Live Calendar, yes it would.

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    2. Re:Is This Evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't feed the shills.

    3. Re:Is This Evil? by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, but it constitutes a serious bug. Evil usually requires intent. Stupidity, on the other hand, can be completely unintentional.

    4. Re:Is This Evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evil? No. But perhaps Google should change their motto to "do no stupid."

    5. Re:Is This Evil? by JackassJedi · · Score: 1

      It also seemed to me to be a good idea to pick my real name as my GMail account name, but then again with a name like "Milosz Derezynski" you're not exactly helping the memory of your friends

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    6. Re:Is This Evil? by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But, does this constitute evil? So far so good. My gmail account is my real name anyway. I'll be looking out for the evil...

      So if it doesn't affect you, then it is ok?

      I think you have defined for us what evil is and you are a shining example of it yourself...

    7. Re:Is This Evil? by LandDolphin · · Score: 2, Funny

      So if it doesn't affect you, then it is ok?

      About time you caught on

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    8. Re:Is This Evil? by mr_matticus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't buy that.

      An email account is an email account. Either the account name itself is some variation on your name or the email "name" text that mail clients show contains your name already. If you have a non-name-based email address that doesn't disclose your name in the "human readable" namespace, then chances are you didn't give them your real name when you signed up anyway.

      Sure, it's an unfortunate bug. Yes, the spam has potential to annoy--but it's spam; would you even notice a few more in the spam box? If you're the kind of person who emails others without disclosing your real name, why would you give your real name to the email provider? There is undoubtedly at least one person who has done so, however, and it sucks to be him right now, but I'd gladly take this bug over a more egregious one, even if I were that one affected guy.

      Unless I'm a spambot, I'm not going to sit down and type out random strings of words and numbers to find out the name data on some arbitrary addresses. Whether it's Hotmail or Yahoo or Gmail doesn't matter here.

    9. Re:Is This Evil? by dhavleak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure, it's an unfortunate bug. Yes, the spam has potential to annoy--but it's spam; would you even notice a few more in the spam box?

      It's more serious than that. Once the spammers know your name they can construct more personalized messages which has two implications:
      - Increased chance of success in a social engineering attack.
      - Better chance of fooling a spam filter.

      If you're the kind of person who emails others without disclosing your real name, why would you give your real name to the email provider?

      Spammers don't wait for you to email them. They buy lists of email addresses in bulk. For this particular vulnerability, they can even use a random generator and just keep track of the hits when adding appointments to the calendar.

      Unless I'm a spambot, I'm not going to sit down and type out random strings of words and numbers to find out the name data on some arbitrary addresses. Whether it's Hotmail or Yahoo or Gmail doesn't matter here.

      Assume you are a spambot then -- that's what TFA is about -- a security vulnerability in Gmail that spammers can take advantage of. Spammers are usually interested in creating spambots.

      I don't know where OP's question about "evilness" comes in. Google deserves the benefit of doubt (about this being an honest mistake) as long as they fix it, rather than issuing some BS reason not to.

    10. Re:Is This Evil? by brusk · · Score: 2, Funny

      A motto that, by its own grammar, violates itself? Brilliant!

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    11. Re:Is This Evil? by mr_matticus · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's more serious than that. Once the spammers know your name they can construct more personalized messages

      They can already do this (and do), based on the name of your email account and other sources. The presence or absence of your name on your email account is not going to make a significant difference in the accuracy of their bulk lists.

      Better chance of fooling a spam filter.

      Based on what? The presence or absence of a name amongst the text is not going to affect spam scoring.

      Spammers don't wait for you to email them. They buy lists of email addresses in bulk.

      No shit. This doesn't have anything to do with that.

      For this particular vulnerability, they can even use a random generator and just keep track of the hits when adding appointments to the calendar.

      To what end? A person not susceptible to a social engineering attack isn't going to become more so because the email suddenly contains their name. What would be the point of using a random generator, signing up for a Google account, and pounding the hell out of the calendar servers to extract real names, when they can just BUY lists of names and addresses?

      Adding your real name to a spam message isn't going to make it any more believable. There are already plenty of phishing emails that use real names/service user names. Either people have the sense to figure it out or they don't. I don't see any evidence of a great many people teetering on the edge of, "if only they had addressed me by name, I'd click on that link."

    12. Re:Is This Evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bird man and a land dolphin in cahoots over gmail? Well I'll be a monkey's uncle!

    13. Re:Is This Evil? by dhavleak · · Score: 1

      It's more serious than that. Once the spammers know your name they can construct more personalized messages

      They can already do this (and do), based on the name of your email account and other sources.

      So google should stop securing gmail because your email and name might already be in somebody's DB?

      Based on what? The presence or absence of a name amongst the text is not going to affect spam scoring.

      I admit I don't know enough about spam scoring algo's to debate this.

      Spammers don't wait for you to email them. They buy lists of email addresses in bulk.

      No shit. This doesn't have anything to do with that.

      If the spammer gets your gmail address from a DB or a generator, now they just need to use the calendar vuln. to get your name. So to keep your name out of the hands of spammers, if you have a gmail account, you would need to *become* the kind of person who emails others without disclosing their real name - i.e. you would have to not provide your real name in your gmail account settings. That was your question.

      Your whole point seems to be -- it isn't possible to keep the association between your email address and name private, so why bother? My point is, if you want to do it, you should be able to. Keeping your contact info and name secure is a reasonable expectation. Flaws elsewhere that reveal this don't excuse flaws in your email provider -- they too need to be fixed. Whatever you might think about a name not helping with social engineering attacks -- consider that emails from Nigerian princes are still thriving. Clearly somebody is falling prey to stuff like that. If that works, using names works too.

    14. Re:Is This Evil? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      "The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention. Now that IS irony!"

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    15. Re:Is This Evil? by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      So google should stop securing gmail because your email and name might already be in somebody's DB?

      Of course not. They should fix the bug, but it is by no means a serious privacy breach, as you had indicated.

      f the spammer gets your gmail address from a DB or a generator, now they just need to use the calendar vuln. to get your name.

      Again, so what?

      So to keep your name out of the hands of spammers, if you have a gmail account, you would need to *become* the kind of person who emails others without disclosing their real name

      If you weren't that kind of person before, your name is already in the hands of spammers. There is no particular value in having a person's name.

      Your whole point seems to be -- it isn't possible to keep the association between your email address and name private, so why bother?

      No, it's not.

      My point is that either your name is associated with your email address or it's not. If it's not, they can't give out what they don't know. If it is, your name is already out there on a list somewhere that spammers can buy. There are, as I've already said, a few people who gave their names to Google but don't give it out in web forms with that email address, but they are so few in number that there's no value in a brute force/generator approach to retrieving their names from Google.

      Not only is that information a lot of work to obtain, but it's got almost no potential ROI. If you're careful not to give your name out with that address, you'd immediately be suspicious of an email arriving with your name on it--it actually makes phishing LESS likely to succeed.

      By all means, fix the bug, but only because it's a poor coding situation.

      consider that emails from Nigerian princes are still thriving. Clearly somebody is falling prey to stuff like that. If that works, using names works too.

      That's exactly the point. There is no set of people for whom "ooh, my name, it must be legit" is true.

      Either they're susceptible to phishing emails (of varying sophistication) or they're not responsive to them.

    16. Re:Is This Evil? by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      Evil definitely doesn't require intent.

      That said, this isn't evil. It's just an oversight.

    17. Re:Is This Evil? by Metorical · · Score: 1

      From my understanding of D&D it's not evil.

      For a change to evil you need both intent and action. It's not evil to think of breaking a window, it's not evil to accidentally break a window, it is evil to think about breaking a window and then break it. Make it a car window and we've also rolled the car analogy in to it ;)

    18. Re:Is This Evil? by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      Based on what? The presence or absence of a name amongst the text is not going to affect spam scoring.

      Oh, yes it will affect scoring, at least using a statistical (Bayesian) spam filter. In my Spambayes scoring database, my first and last names have high non-spam correlation number, while the string that is the first part of my email address (intials + lastname) has a distictly "spammy" correlation. These numbers are based on actual email received and used to train the filter. Which makes sense: lots of spam I get has a subject like "jsmith get y0ur r0lex here!", but few say "John Smith, your Google account has been suspended"

    19. Re:Is This Evil? by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 1

      > That's exactly the point. There is no set of people for whom "ooh, my name, it must be legit" is true.

      Actually, there are. And they are precisely some of the biggest phishing targets.

      Take eBay. In the past (their help pages are too labyrinthine for me to completely check out their current advice) eBay EXPLICITLY said to check for your real name in the greeting to separate genuine eBay emails from phishing. Others (including, I'm sad to say, some banks) followed this "expert" lead. Millions of slightly-savvier-than-average recipients use that rule today.

      Now it's too late for eBay to reliably advise people that use of their real name in the greetings is NOT a reliable test, because their (deliberately?) convoluted help pages are a poor way to update customers (who don't want to spend half an hour digging) and the phishers will be sending apparently authentic emails saying otherwise ("Check that your correct name is at the top of this message. Scammers will not have access to that information"). Since it's not their fault, They'll likely decide it's not their problem.

    20. Re:Is This Evil? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      What evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows...

      Every action is preceded by thought - ergo evil lurks in wait. That is why you shouldn't pay attention so much to what corporations and people say as much as examine what they do - then you will have a clearer picture of their intentions.

      Also, your example fails: what if I own the car? My intention is to break the glass, and I broke it. What of it (maybe I locked my keys in the car, or maybe I am sponsoring a 'car bash' - money collected going to charity)?

      Evil is the intention to hurt someone else (monetarily, physically, emotionally). There has to be at least a second actor in the play...

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      Lodragan Draoidh
      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    21. Re:Is This Evil? by DrLudicrous · · Score: 1

      I don't have a real name, you insensitive clod!

    22. Re:Is This Evil? by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are. And they are precisely some of the biggest phishing targets.

      Nonsense. If people need a tutorial to determine whether an email is a fake, the single change of your real name instead of your eBay ID is not going to make a difference.

      In the past (their help pages are too labyrinthine for me to completely check out their current advice) eBay EXPLICITLY said to check for your real name in the greeting to separate genuine eBay emails from phishing.

      That was one of the tips, absolutely, but by no means definitive. Phishing emails will almost always have one or two more significant flaws based on their help advice: either asking for things they have a policy not to request in email, or being nonspecific as to the nature of their inquiry. Both are far more significant. Furthermore, eBay's advice specifically states that "There may still be cases where spoof emails could contain your first and last name as well as eBay User ID, so seeing this information isn't a foolproof indicator that eBay sent an email".

      phishers will be sending apparently authentic emails saying otherwise

      They do that now with other information. It's not convincing.

  9. Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ by Darkness404 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Rule number 1 of shock site linking, don't tell people what the link is until after they click it.

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  10. Head in the clouds by gamanimatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is exactly why I remain leery of applications in the cloud. I've got a google account for work, and that's the only use it ever sees. And it's under real.name.company anyway, and has no other useful information associated with it.

    I try really, really hard not to leave to broad a trail online. Those databases just never die (except when they do, of course - but the timing is subject to Murphy's Law, so it's never in my favor).

    I'm gonna go hide in my cave now.

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    1. Re:Head in the clouds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly why I remain leery of applications in the cloud. I've got a google account for work, and that's the only use it ever sees. And it's under real.name.company anyway, and has no other useful information associated with it.

      Except for the cookie that you carry around for the rest of your browser session which associates that account with everything else that you do (through searches or AdSense).

    2. Re:Head in the clouds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I work the company emails use lastname.firstname@company.com
      I prefer to not use my real name and fortunately enough when I gave them a nickname (other known aliases field) when i applied they mistook it for my real name (in fact they thought it was part of my last name) so I'm one of few that has a falsely named email address.

    3. Re:Head in the clouds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your screen name, if deciphered by Gmail exploiters translates to:
      Gay man I'm a Tron.

      That's definitely something to keep private.

    4. Re:Head in the clouds by Z80xxc! · · Score: 1

      A similar solution, which I find works for me, is to have two gmail accounts. I use gmail as my primary email, stupid as that may be. The email address that I use for communicating with friends, business-related contacts, school-related contacts, and other people who already know my name. That email address is firstinitialsecondinitiallastname@gmail.com. Then I have my internet email address which I use for web accounts and people who I don't know/trust/care to give my real name to. It's pretty much random, in the same style as my /. username, and uses a pseudonym. Then I use POP to download the 2nd's email to the 1st's, and set it up so I can send mail from the 2nd's address using the 1st's account. So there I have all my mail in one easy to access location.

      As for a broad trail online... between various web forums, blogs, social networking sites, etc, I have a trail. Oh well... I tend to use my pseudonym address though, so my *actual* name doesn't appear all that much.

    5. Re:Head in the clouds by gamanimatron · · Score: 1

      Oh, crap. It's... it's all true. The silken web of lies and deceit can now be cast aside to reveal the fragile butterfly trapped within. I'm... I'm free. Free!

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    6. Re:Head in the clouds by EdIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is exactly why I remain leery of applications in the cloud

      I take that one tinfoiled hat step further. I remain absolutely untrusting (or trusting that the gravest possible negative outcome occurs 100% of the time) of every single company and government that I deal with.

      A company or governments interests with your information are never the same as your own. The way in which other entities will use this data to further their own goals is not always in your best interests. It does not have to be nefarious mind you, but it also is rarely something that you would agree with yourself. This is why "privacy policies" and laws exist, which is to govern the behavior of both parties in regards to the data they share between them. When you have dealings with a company or government, I would argue that a relationship is created with regards to that data as well as certain rights to it. Currently, the individual, is far less able to effectively control their information or enforce the laws, expectations, etc. pertaining to those relationships.

      The only solution to this is simple. The safety and proper use of your information is your responsibility and you cannot rely on ethics, morality, or the alleged existence of ethics and morality in government laws to protect you. You MUST take it by force.

      My own policy is simple - Only give an entity the absolute bare amount of information required to deliver the service and/or product that you require of them. With respect to Google and other websites, that means choosing an email address or user name that does not reveal too much information about you. The first letter of your first name followed by your last name, or something equivalent. In my case the name itself is completely fictitious. As for the rest of the profile information, absolutely nothing accurate is entered at all. Complete obsfucation.

      Security Questions? Just another password. Except a security question allows another level of difficulty by various questions that it may ask. Never actually tell a website what your pet dog's name was. IP Address? Use TOR. Google does not need to know your actual IP address of where you are to deliver you service.

      Information across other websites? It does not have to be the same. Take measures to prevent analysis of data across multiple domains as well.

      I have always recommended to people that they unwaveringly apply this rule to all dealings that they have. My own driver license does not have my real physical address of where I am sleeping tonight. Slashdot does not have the public IP address of where this post came from. My utilities do not have any accurate information on me other than the property address and a mailing address OR a social security number either.

      This may seem like an irrational over the top reaction and/or behavior.... but when somebody as big as Google screws up, at least my information is not out there by either negligence or malice.

      I can honestly say that if you were to try to analyze all the available databases containing information about me (corporate or government), it could not lead you to physically find me. You may be able to communicate with me, but it will be on my terms.

    7. Re:Head in the clouds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo! If you're going to feed the trolls. Feed them cake! Well done. :)

    8. Re:Head in the clouds by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      Yahoo Mail's premium email (Mail Plus) allows you to create as many email addresses as you want under your account, including throw-away addresses. You can colour-code the message entries according to email address to easily see which ones are not your primary account. I find it works very well.

      My main gripes with the system are sub-par spam catch rate (you may find false positives and false negatives regularly) and their email support (if you want to report spam catch rate issues) is absolutely horrendous. I think they read the first two words of your email before responding with a standard template response.

      YMMV

    9. Re:Head in the clouds by kvezach · · Score: 1

      Security Questions? Just another password. Except a security question allows another level of difficulty by various questions that it may ask. Never actually tell a website what your pet dog's name was. IP Address? Use TOR. Google does not need to know your actual IP address of where you are to deliver you service.

      I'd rather have Google knowing my IP address than the man-in-the-middle exit nodes knowing my username and password. Ah well, in utopia we'd have both using EKE... and IPsec everywhere.

    10. Re:Head in the clouds by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      quote youtube: "It seems that you have a google account, would you like to link it to your youtube account?". The real scary thing is that if they can see the overlap between gmail and youtube login at the same time/ip address, they have the link anyway.

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    11. Re:Head in the clouds by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      I use gmail as my primary email, stupid as that may be.

      Mind if I ask why it is stupid to use GMail as your primary e-mail?

      I use it as mine...never had any issues or troubles. I definitely don't think it's stupid. I can use it from anywhere, it's fast, its spam filters are good (unless you read the recently posted Slashdot article) and it has a great interface (IMO).

  11. Just how personal is this new spam by Pollardito · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean they're only sending spam to people who really need Cialis?

    1. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by LoonyMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not yet but soon, just wait for the medical data to be compromised in a similar way.

    2. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

      Penis enlargement? Mortgage re-fi? V!@gra? I always wondered.... HOW'D IT KNOW?!

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    3. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by c_sd_m · · Score: 5, Funny

      Any chance they could just do a dumb filter and exclude women with obviously female names? I'm really tired of getting spam about enlarging my [non-existent] penis, especially the more explicit ones. It would not 'give my partner more pleasure'.
      At least change the 'your' to 'his'. That might even get you more sales than sending it to the men.

    4. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by irtza · · Score: 1

      well at least that'll get rid of most of my spam... let me tell the spammers now what I would be interested in so they can find me the best deal in Russia, Canada and/or Nigeria.

      Personally, I would be much more concerned about the con artists... Could you imagine the lonely but uncharacteristically unsophisticated /. nerd who gets a message from a hot rich Nigerian princess trying to escape an arranged marriage and wants to meet you, but needs another account to use to get safely out of the country before she can empty her fathers bank accounts.... um... excuse me, but this is good material... I um... need to go email some people about something... umm... thats different and not a scam....

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    5. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      Spammer's Search: +"personal assistant" +motel

    6. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap, I thought they already did.

    7. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Any chance they could just do a dumb filter and exclude women with obviously female names? I'm really tired of getting spam about enlarging my [non-existent] penis, especially the more explicit ones. It would not 'give my partner more pleasure'.

      Spammers everywhere are rewriting their filters so that now you get offers of \/1A6R/\ for your partner if your name appears to be female, they're also adding a note about how women too can use the drug .... that should make it better for you, no!?

      "Worried your male associates lingam not as firm as it could be, ch33p |\/|EDs ..."

    8. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by that+IT+girl · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. For instance, I just received one from them saying "AMANDA could your Un1t be LARGER??"
      I don't have one at all, so obviously it could be larger. They obviously carefully selected me based on my needs. I feel so cared about! Thanks, Google!

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      20 DRINK COFFEE
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    9. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any chance they could just do a dumb filter and exclude women with obviously female names? I'm really tired of getting spam about enlarging my [non-existent] penis, especially the more explicit ones. It would not 'give my partner more pleasure'.

      Raawwrrr!

    10. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by that+IT+girl · · Score: 1

      Oooh, good call!

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      20 DRINK COFFEE
      30 GOTO 10
    11. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by Warhawke · · Score: 0

      So really those middle-school bullies were just trying to save me from spam when they kept calling me Nancy!

    12. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by BigGar' · · Score: 1

      Oh come on,
      There are no women reading slashdot.

      I just remember this about the internet:
      The men are men,
      the women are men and 13 year old girls are FBI agents.

      Words to live by.

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    13. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, a man called Belinda, say, may very well be worried about the size of his penis.

    14. Re:Just how personal is this new spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That actually sounds more like a useful service than anything else.

      *patiently awaits flamebait mods*

  12. Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps GP is just rick-rolling goatse fans? I sure ain't clicking to find out.

  13. Oh noes! by Taibhsear · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Now everyone will know my name is Bob Lablaw!
    Seriously, anyone that puts in their real name on a remotely accessible non-business account has some neurons not firing properly...

    1. Re:Oh noes! by pxc · · Score: 1

      Seriously, anyone that puts in their real name on a remotely accessible non-business account has some neurons not firing properly...

      You mean the neurons that make me care if somebody knows my name?

    2. Re:Oh noes! by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      No I mean the neurons that say, "You know self, anyone that I gave my personal email address to should already know my name..."

  14. No problems here. by phxhawke · · Score: 1

    It doesn't give names for emails that I put in unless I've received one already. Maybe it's already been fixed or has a limited scope?

  15. I don't mind by shaunol · · Score: 1

    My gmail email address is about as cryptic as my slashdot username.

  16. IMAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I think the reason for this is that most of the small business internet services, i.e. Verizon, Comcast, only provide POP email accounts. Gmail supports IMAP and a lot of people want to be able to use their email from multiple locations and have it sync up.

    1. Re:IMAP by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, Gmail only recently got IMAP support, maybe 6 months ago. I was frustrated for a long time that it never came sooner...
      -Taylor

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  17. Oh that tears it. by aztektum · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is horrible. This is an outrage! I'm writing Google a letter telling them how awful this is an how they need to work on the Q/A. I mean my GMail address *IS* my full name, but I'm not going to let that fact stop me from acting like an emotionally charged idiot!

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    1. Re:Oh that tears it. by FilterMapReduce · · Score: 1

      I'm writing Google a letter telling them how awful this is an how they need to work on the Q/A.

      Don't forget to sign it.

    2. Re:Oh that tears it. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      And its in the form of firstname.lastname@gmail.com right?

    3. Re:Oh that tears it. by douglaid · · Score: 1

      For the current position, here is the referenced address: http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/1113 Seems to be partly patched??

  18. Security Bugs in Beta Software by Knowzy · · Score: 1

    Google's practice of leaving software in beta for years gives them an excuse if you lose your data, etc when the software fails. However, revealing the names millions of (GMail) users who weren't even using the application (Calendar) with the security flaw sounds like a nightmare for Google.

    Good thing GMail is still in beta too after, what, 4 years?

    1. Re:Security Bugs in Beta Software by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      Not being in Beta didn't prevent Hotmail from changing their retention policies for free accounts without emailing the primary accounts used to open them...

      (Back in the day you could let your hotmail account go out of date, then re-establish it - and bingo - all your saved email was there waiting for you. To re-establish it you had to have access to the primary external mail account to get the reset password - so no issue with an outsider re-establishing and getting access to your email. Then they changed the policy and wiped all your saved emails when your account went out of date. You could still re-establish it, but everything was missing. Interestingly this policy change happened immediately after they were acquired by MS.)

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  19. Using a fake name online may become illegal... by RudeIota · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean really... Does anyone with a lick of sense actually give their real name to a free web-based service?

    I have difficulty believing the title of my reply will become true. I'd like to believe no one will ever let this happen, but here's a recent Slashdot post that raises some alarm:

    "The access to MySpace was unauthorized because using a fake name violated the terms of service. The information from a "protected computer" was the profiles of other MySpace users. If this is found to be a valid interpretation of the law, it's really quite frightening. If you violate the Terms of Service of a website, you can be charged with hacking. That's an astounding concept. Does this mean that everyone who uses Bugmenot could be prosecuted? Also, this isn't a minor crime, it's a felony punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment per count. In Drew's case she was charged with three counts for accessing MySpace on three different occasions."

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    1. Re:Using a fake name online may become illegal... by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      How many people are posting to ./ with their real name?

      My real name isn't Dan541 or Anonymous Coward

      I'm screwed.

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  20. Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ by Darkness404 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hmmm... That could be true. I didn't click it of course....

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  21. But My Full Name.. by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ..is already in the email address.

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  22. anonymous.coward@gmail.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now everyone knows that my first name is Anonymous and my last name is Coward. I'm screwed. The Church of Scientology will finally find me.

  23. Just last week at work... by gillbates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was called a heretic for suggesting that "Google does not know all..."

    Guess I owe some folks an apology...

    Really, did anyone not see this coming? The company advertised that they read your email.

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    1. Re:Just last week at work... by maxume · · Score: 1

      This looks like they were sloppy, but for the 1/2 of slashdot that apparently uses their full name as their email address, the immediate consequences are nil.

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    2. Re:Just last week at work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, did anyone not see this coming? The company advertised that they read your email.

      What on earth do you think is happening here? They know your name because they ask you for it when you sign up. Not because they've been snooping through your email. And you are free to lie. And the name you provide is sent with all outgoing emails, just like with, well, every other email service under the sun.

      The only new thing here is that Google inadvertently disclose this name to anybody who knows your email address. If you think this is a problem caused by Google snooping through your email, you are delusional and really need to do something about that chip on your shoulder.

    3. Re:Just last week at work... by GrayNimic · · Score: 1

      Really, did anyone not see this coming? The company advertised that they read your email.

      What email company doesn't do automated parsing of incoming emails? While it's generally just spam filters/training or censor-filters (for some corporate environs), how is that really any different from using it to query AdWords when you view the message? It seems less invasive than learning spam filters, since all the gmail AdWords affect is that particular call-up of the mail message, while with teaching spam filters my mail can forever impact the way the system works.

    4. Re:Just last week at work... by Dash+Hash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're talking about the ads displayed alongside your emails, Google never said they read the emails, just that their systems scan the emails for key words to make the ads relevant. That is quite a bit different from reading the actual email.

      That being said, I still feel it is a bit too questionable, and a bit too close to actually reading them, so I generally only use the gmail address for non-important tasks.

      Even so, bringing up the whole "Google reads your email!" line this late into the game is either a very bad troll, or just somebody trying to ride the wave of being over-emotional (or funny, but that is unlikely, I think).

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    5. Re:Just last week at work... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Huh, what does reading mail to bring up text ads have to do with this?

      This is revealing account information, not revealing mail content. In that case, I'd see your point.

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    6. Re:Just last week at work... by Evro · · Score: 1

      Do you work at Google?

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  24. Moron bug by Anti+Globalism · · Score: 2, Informative

    This seems to be rather a moron bug than anything else. They can have my fake alias name. What I worry about is rather how they treat the content of what's being sent and received.

  25. Getting them already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started getting these spams today with my actual name. Very annoying since it made me give a second look. I dunno why I even gave my real name for a spam/junk e-mail account. I won't do it again.

  26. Bugs are to be expected... by elnico · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a good thing they caught this in beta, before it affects a large number of people!

    1. Re:Bugs are to be expected... by belg4mit · · Score: 1, Informative
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    2. Re:Bugs are to be expected... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millions of users, years in the works, better than any other web based email service and yet it is still in beta... I guess this is so they can have an excuse when things like this happen. Maybe M$ can take a pointer or two from this and put Vista back into beta.

  27. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  28. Finally Sean Penn will have justice by John+Meacham · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:Finally Sean Penn will have justice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried this, however they fixed it. Did anyone do it in time?

    2. Re:Finally Sean Penn will have justice by vikstar · · Score: 1

      I wonder if anyone has named there newborn baby after making sure the name is available on gmail and registering it.... maybe in america.

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    3. Re:Finally Sean Penn will have justice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The arrogance he must have to think he is the only person on this planet to have the name Sean Penn.

  29. The *real* security risk... by Peet42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...is that this will allow Phishing scams aimed at GMail users to *seem* so much more plausible.

    What? You expected humour?

    1. Re:The *real* security risk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Only humor.

    2. Re:The *real* security risk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fail. "humour" is correct in most parts of the world. American Arrogance Aside. Its a global village now. Get used to it.

  30. This ain't no big deal. by suck_burners_rice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that my Gmail email address is my real first and last name, separated by a period, I don't think it's a big deal that my real name will be revealed through the calendar. I don't care. There are a million of me out there anyway. I've Googled my own name before and found that I'm several professors, an artist, a few musicians, a business owner or two, and a bunch of other things. I didn't find myself in there even after wading through about 300 results. So this ain't an issue. But if your name is Rumpelstiltskin DiScrewdio, then you're screwed because there's only one of you out there.

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    1. Re:This ain't no big deal. by PaganRitual · · Score: 1

      The name's Charles. Charles McFuckelstein.

      My friends call me Chuckles.

    2. Re:This ain't no big deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My gmail address is my real first and last name, separated by a period.

      I am the only person in the world with the name.

  31. Free Publicity vs Privacy by tobiah · · Score: 1

    I don't get the big deal about contact information privacy. Most of the time I'm trying publicize that information, both for business and social purposes. I figure if I ever get famous enough to not handle the attention, I'll be able to afford a personal secretary.
    I want businesses to try and sell me things I want, when I want it. When I'm looking for work, it should come to me. Legislators should just read my mind and enact the laws I support. I'm happy for the world to track my movements and hustle to give me what I want before I know I want it.

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  32. Serious FERPA Violation by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Families Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 allows a student at a university to require the university to not release their name to anyone. For example, if you check for my name at my school's phonebook, you'll find I'm not listed. If you call my registrar's office and ask for information on me, they'll tell you that they don't have a student by my name. You see, it's against the law for them to even confirm that I'm a student.

    Since many schools have outsourced their email systems to Gmail, anyone can generate a full roster of student names through this trick. This could obviously result in many violations of FERPA.

    1. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have thought that was a problem for the University, not Google...

    2. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by base3 · · Score: 1

      Interesting, but I'll wager that you cannot find one school that has actually been sanctioned by the U.S. Department of Education for violating FERPA. And there is no private cause of action, so the student cannot bring suit against the school in federal court. FERPA sound scary, and universities pretend it is, but it has no teeth.

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    3. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If what you say is true, Ohio State and many other universities have been violating this rule for many years. Just go to their website and hit "Find People." I would find it hard to hold Google accountable when the universities themselves so readily provide the information.

    4. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since many schools have outsourced their email systems to Gmail, anyone can generate a full roster of student names through this trick. This could obviously result in many violations of FERPA.

      How are the Gmail usernames or real names to be connected with any school? Have you uncovered a different exploit that shows what Gmail accounts are school related (and to specific schools)? Does Gmail even record this information?

      In view of the act you are describing, it would make sense that the scools are just telling students to get a Gmail account, since any bulk direct contact with Gmail by the institution would mean that at least Gmail is aware of who is a student at that institution, thusly putting the school in violation.

    5. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by thisissilly · · Score: 1

      If Ohio State is anything like my school, you can opt out of the "Find People" just by requesting to be removed.

    6. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 1

      FERPA only applies if you ask for it. If you don't request anonymity, you don't get it.

    7. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Peyna · · Score: 1

      FERPA only applies to educational institutions. If an educational institution violates FERPA, they can lose federal funding (has not happened to a single school yet). I fail to see how this in any way at all violates FERPA.

      For comparison, it'd be like you telling your friend you have a headache and then claiming a HIPAA violation when he tells your other friends.

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    8. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but google isn't a university.

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    9. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FERPA actually does not prevent universities from releasing what the law refers to as "directory" information, such as your name, address, etc. Your university may have stricter regulations (for example, the college I work for does not allow us to give information about student's financial aid to their parents without a release form, even though the FERPA specifically has an exception for all children claimed as dependents on tax forms--information I can easily verify, as I have access to their tax forms). The extent to which you can opt-out of directory information is somewhat debatable.

    10. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 1

      http://www.osu.edu/findpeople.php

      "Information on how to opt-out of the "Find People" service:
      Students: Send email to Registrar (registrar@osu.edu)"

    11. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by teaganc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is not true; universities are not prohibited from telling people that [your name] is a student there, or graduated from there at such a time with such a degree. This is how employers can check to see if you are lying about your degree. This is called "directory information," and is not protected by the FERPA. Also, your parents? If they claim you as a dependent, they too are exempt from any FERPA restrictions.

    12. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh...Does your school put a blank beside of your phone number? To send an invitation they have your email address. They can contact you....Doh!!!!

    13. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by lauterm · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's only partially correct. A school can release directory information, including name, and dates of attendance unless the student opts out. http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html

      I wouldn't want other students out there thinking that they are automatically protected. They do have to actually DO something to have directory information protected under FERPA.

    14. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by RobinH · · Score: 1

      That's interesting.

      Years ago a friend of my (then) girlfriend forwarded an email she got from some modelling agency, addressed to her using her first name (first name happened to be Jennifer), and she wondered how the agency got her university email address. I noticed that the original email was sent to about 30 or so email addresses, all from the same university domain name, and all starting with "J". I went to the university in question's web site, to the student directory, and found that you couldn't get a list of all students, you couldn't search by gender, and you couldn't just enter the first initial and get all students starting with that initial, but you could search by last or even first name. Of course Jennifer is one of the most common female names in our generation, and if you searched for Jennifer, you got the exact list of email addresses in the original email.

      So I suppose, some enterprising marketer at the modelling agency realized a good way to send targetted email to women in their early 20's who may be a little desperate for money is to search for common female names in the university directory, and spam them.

      So I certainly hope the university stopped that practice.

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    15. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to know the email address in order to find out the owner's name. So, no, you couldn't really create a roster.

      Add to that the fact that most uni/college/school/work addresses contain the person's name anyway, I think you may be making a mountain out of a molehill.

    16. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by s2k2vidguy · · Score: 1

      Contractors are bound by FERPA because they are acting as agents of the university. If contractors were not bound by nondisclosure, it would be impermissible for schools to release the information to them. Thus, contractors must be considered to be agents of the university for this to not violate FERPA.

    17. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by aug24 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but who actually expected a law named after a farting noise to be taken seriously..?

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    18. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by TeraCo · · Score: 1

      Google wouldn't be accountable in any case, it would be the people that decided 'hey, lets use google for this legally sensitive data'.

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    19. Re:Serious FERPA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens when you graduate or leave the school otherwise? Is the university still obligated to keep your secrets? If I don't want anyone to see that I had several Ds and had to retake several classes in order to finally graduate after seven years...

  33. Testing this by LM741N · · Score: 2, Funny

    So how do I go about testing this on myself? (as 100 posts reply with my real name.... Scrooge McDuck)

  34. Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok...so I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious. I mean christ, I give out my full name a dozen times a day to people I don't know. "Hello, we have a circuit down and need to open a ticket." "Hello, I have a few questions about your product." and damned near every other statement you might make when calling another company is almost IMMEDIATELY followed by "Can I have your name please?" Of course this is after they answer the phone "Hello, my name is..."? Now granted they don't always use their last name if they are just phone jockeys, but almost anyone worth anything in terms of sales/technical/etc reps will give you their full name, email address, phone number, etc.

    In other news, purchasing cigarettes and alcohol require you to disclose your first and last name when you show your ID! Even worse, there are rumors that every time you make a purchase using anything other than cash you have to disclose your first and last name. This isn't a privacy issue, maybe a privacy irritation, but certainly not anything to get in a ruffle about. It isn't like names are even really unique identifiers. Now if it revealed birthdays or SSNs or credit card numbers or something then I would understand.

    Course, maybe there is something here I am ignoring. Do the people getting in a ruffle about this freak out when someone of the opposite sex asks their name? "Oh my god they are trying to invade my privacy!" Generally it is considered "normal" to give them your name so they have something to call you other than "freak" or "uberhax4234".

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    1. Re:Privacy... by pla · · Score: 1

      Ok...so I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious.

      So then, do you prefer we call you "db", or "Mr. 32"?

    2. Re:Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 0

      Hmm...I have used db for a long while, so Mr. 32 actually sounds kind of neat.

      I'm not saying using aliases = nefarious. Or even not always revealing your name = nefarious. I am saying that crying foul when someone pulls the mask off rather than "Heh, got me I guess" is likely to be a bit more suspect.

      Mind you, I also loathe the "if you have nothing to hide" crap. But, if you are staging a revolution or something and need to remain hidden, I think you deserve to fail for being dumb enough to trust a public entity with that information in the first place.

      As far as the spam factor...I can't read Russian so doesn't matter if those ones use my name. Then the endless stream of stock offers and penis pills are also easily ignored regardless of the use of my name. I mean hell...only people dumb enough to go for the spam in the first place are going to read that and say "Well he knows my name! p3n1s3xt3nd3r11921@viagra.com.huangchi.cn must be legit!"

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    3. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok...so I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious.

      It's an issue for people trying to hide their identity from something nefarious. A corrupt government, a corrupt official, a criminal or criminal group, a persecutive society -- say Egypt, which imprisons, tortures, and executes homosexuals --, or say someone who is going up against a cult like Scientology.

      It's not difficult to think of examples at all. It's hard to take you seriously. Do you live in a Jam Handy 1950s film ideal of America? Do you know nothing at all about persecution and corruption? How have you managed this?

      All your examples of presenting your own name are by choice, and where you get something in return. It's different if anyone anywhere can demand to know your name. Take a walk down the street - not a nice street - and consider that about everyone you meet. You'd give out your real name to those strangers? Without them telling you why or identifying themselves?

      As for "but almost anyone worth anything in terms of sales/technical/etc reps will give you their full name, email address, phone number, etc.", that's just further crap. You have no idea if they have given you their own true name, the email address is a business one, and the phone number is a business one. Etc, indeed.

    4. Re:Privacy... by LEMONedIScream · · Score: 1

      Ok...so I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious.

      Really? It sounds like you're saying "if you've got nothing to hide, then there shouldn't be a problem." Do you really mean this? It's a scary line of thought really...

    5. Re:Privacy... by dedazo · · Score: 1

      So only those hiding something have anything to fear.

      Hmmm, where have I heard that before...

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    6. Re:Privacy... by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 1

      I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious.

      Suppose I start a blog about how much I hate [BushCo|Obama|innocent animals in ANWR]. I give out my GMail address for anonymous comments, because Google does a great job at filtering all the spam. I have no problem doing this, and why should I? Random members of the public who come across my blog and are incensed by my opinions have no idea who MotherFarkingShiznit@gmail.com really is, and don't have any way to screw up my life aside from making snarky comments on my blog.

      Suddenly, everyone who knows my GMail address can find my real name? That's a pretty big fucking deal.

      It isn't like names are even really unique identifiers.

      Perhaps that's true if your name is John Smith or Li Chan. However, there exists one and only one of me.

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    7. Re:Privacy... by 22_9_3_11_25 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many people set up an email account to use with an online dating site. 12% of recently married or engaged couples met online. People use a nickname or screen name with an email account to hide their identity and weed out potential dates and then only give their real name out if they were actually going to meet someone in person for a date. That is not a nefarious purpose but it is a big privacy concern, especially if you are female. I am surprised with all the comments no one has mentioned online stalking or harassment.

    8. Re:Privacy... by bjourne · · Score: 1

      So what is your real name then, Mr db32? If you can't understand why people use pseudonyms and why they want to separate their internet personas from their IRL ones, then I don't understand why you feel that you need to "hide" behind one.

    9. Re:Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 1

      Then, simply put, you are being stupid for assuming that Google would ever protect your privacy in that regard in the first place. Your name was never hidden in the first place, you gave it to Google. That giant repository of information, the holder of logs forever, the search behemoth. Not exactly a smart idea to give your name to an information dealer if you want to remain hidden.

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    10. Re:Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 1

      More accurately "If you have something to hide you probably shouldn't be telling Google your name and its pretty stupid to be upset that your name was revealed after giving it to a public entity". I mean really...have you not been watching the news since, oh..., the dawn of the internet? Personal information being mishandled by every damned company and website imaginable. Oh but we have the big friendly government to help protect us from that with their big scary laws right? Well that worked out just peachy now didn't it, especially after the government started demanding that very information from all of these companies.

      In a nutshell, if you didn't want your name to be revealed, you probably shouldn't be telling them your name in the first place. Just like if you don't want the cashier at McDonalds to know your name you pay cash. This is hardly a new concept and it frightens me to think that people suddenly believe that the internet somehow makes this all different and we should trust these companies to hold that information. Shit, Pizza Hut has been working with law enforcement for ages helping them track down addresses and whatnot, long before the internet became part of the picture.

      Hell...we can't even trust government agencies not to lose laptops full of full personal information, not just first/last names. I'm not saying Google doesn't have a problem on their hands that they owe it to their customers to fix. I'm just saying its pretty stupid to hold the notion that Google has any real responsibility in protecting your personal information if you are concerned about it getting out.

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    11. Re:Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 1

      In order for you to pronounce it correctly I would have to split your tongue and pull it through your nostrils. Seems db32 is easier.

      In all seriousness, I said nothing about why people use pseudonyms or why they want to separate their internet personas from their RL ones. My argument is that it is monumentally stupid to give Google that tie between your RL and internet lives if you don't want that connection to be made. Regardless of some misplaced expectation of privacy.

      If you really wanted to keep it separate you wouldn't create those ties in the first place, let alone trust a third party in holding them. See, on the internet you can have lots of personas, some of which are tied to you, others may not be, and it is trivial to create new ones.

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    12. Re:Privacy... by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then, simply put, you are being stupid for assuming that Google would ever protect your privacy in that regard in the first place.

      Bullshit, as Google explicitly told me when I signed up that I was required to provide accurate personal information, and that they would protect it. The following two sections are excerpted from the Google Terms of Service, presented when creating a new GMail account (emphasis mine)

      5.1 In order to access certain Services, you may be required to provide information about yourself (such as identification or contact details) as part of the registration process for the Service, or as part of your continued use of the Services. You agree that any registration information you give to Google will always be accurate, correct and up to date.

      7.1 For information about Google's data protection practices, please read Google's privacy policy at http://www.google.com/privacy.html. This policy explains how Google treats your personal information, and protects your privacy, when you use the Services.

      So I followed their link over to the Google Privacy Policy, Last modified: October 14, 2005. Under "Information Sharing," my personal information may be shared by Google in the following scenarios (emphasis and braced comments mine)

      Google only shares personal information with other companies or individuals outside of Google in the following limited circumstances:

      We have your consent [nope]. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information.

      We provide such information to our subsidiaries [nope], affiliated companies [nope] or other trusted businesses or persons [nope] for the purpose of processing personal information on our behalf [nope]. We require that these parties agree to process such information based on our instructions and in compliance with this Policy [nope] and any other appropriate confidentiality and security measures [nope].

      We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy any applicable law [nope], regulation [nope], legal process [nope] or enforceable governmental request [nope], (b) enforce applicable Terms of Service [nope], including investigation of potential violations thereof [nope], (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues [nope], or (d) protect against imminent harm to the rights, property or safety of Google [nope], its users [nope] or the public [nope] as required or permitted by law.

      If Google becomes involved in a merger, acquisition, or any form of sale of some or all of its assets, we will provide notice before personal information is transferred and becomes subject to a different privacy policy. [none of this applies]

      We may share with third parties certain pieces of aggregated, non-personal [nope] information, such as the number of users who searched for a particular term, for example, or how many users clicked on a particular advertisement. Such information does not identify you individually.

      Assuming that I held up my end of the bargain and provided Google with my "accurate, correct and up to date" information, I expect them to hold up their end of the bargain, as well.

      --
      "BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
    13. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Ok...so I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious.

      Like speaking out against their governments, perhaps? Blowing the whistle on corruption in their workplaces? Or just wanting to talk to their friends without their mommas or bosses tracking down everything they say on the Internet?

      Hoo-eee Bob. However did that get modded "insightful"?

    14. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is pretty stupid to give them your real name for your Bush-hating blog though. If you plan to actually, you know, respond to your emails, whatever you put for your real name will be on them, right in the From header.

      I used to have a Neocon-hating website myself, where my anonymity was somewhat important, and first name was half of my domain name, last name was the other half. If you don't want your name attached to something, don't give it in the first place. And create a different account for each part of your life so that Google searches are not used to find you.

      On the other hand, I find this bug to be somewhat of a problem, and people should demand Google fix it. Any information a company says will remain private should always remain private.

    15. Re:Privacy... by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is pretty stupid to give them your real name for your Bush-hating blog though. If you plan to actually, you know, respond to your emails, whatever you put for your real name will be on them, right in the From header.

      You can change what appears in the From header at any time. Login to GMail and go to Settings > Accounts > Send Mail As > Edit Info. However, changing your name there does not change the name that appears when someone uses the Calendar exploit against you. It will show whatever first and last name you entered when you first registered for your GMail account.

      --
      "BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
    16. Re:Privacy... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      It's an issue for people trying to hide their identity from something nefarious. A corrupt government, a corrupt official, a criminal or criminal group, a persecutive society -- say Egypt, which imprisons, tortures, and executes homosexuals --, or say someone who is going up against a cult like Scientology.

      If I would need to email something that would make any of the above unhappy, I would use a email account that doesn't contain my real name anywhere. It's not that hard to come up with a fake name. e.g. Charles Umswallow, Pieter Enis, Veronica Agina, Eric Rotic, Frank Ucker, ...

    17. Re:Privacy... by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In other news, purchasing cigarettes and alcohol require you to disclose your first and last name when you show your ID! Even worse, there are rumors that every time you make a purchase using anything other than cash you have to disclose your first and last name.

      Perhaps in the US, but here in the UK you don't have to show ID to buy alcohol or tobacco unless you look like you might be under age. Even that's a relatively recent thing - 16 years ago I had no problem buying alcohol at 16 and 17 (age limit is 18 here - yes, I looked older than my age, but not that much older).

      Additionally for the last couple of years paying by card has meant putting it in a card reader, the member of staff dealing with the transaction doesn't even have to see the card, let alone your name.

      I'm not arguing that this bug is some horrible privacy violation. I'm just pointing out that people in different countries have different expectations regarding privacy, and Google provides a global service.

    18. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey bud, have you heard about spam-cans ? Create a mail account with a pseudonym for all your website-registration purposes... Now thanks to this, the spammers that get your "fake" mail address can figure out your real name anyway. Then they can figure out your real mail address (think surname.name@gmail.com, quite an easy one). Spiffy huh? Now you're spammed and you've got one *personnal* account that's not worth shit.

      On the internet, the more you hide your identity to commercial entities, the less spam you get.

    19. Re:Privacy... by psnyder · · Score: 1
      You're right that this probably won't have huge consequences.

      Course, maybe there is something here I am ignoring.

      In all of the examples you gave, you are intentionally giving your information to an individual or group by your choice. You can be the judge of the respectability of who you give it to. You are in control of who gets the information. If they add fine print to something you sign but don't read, that's your fault. If they turn around and allow access to your information to someone else without your consent (which is what happened here), that's theirs. Their action taken without your consent has the possibility to cause you harm.

      We are ultimately in charge of who gets our information. No one else has that right. Namely because, stupid dissemination of seemingly insignificant information can and has caused harm.

    20. Re:Privacy... by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

      "Ok...so I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious."

      Or something unpopular. Or something illegal which shouldn't be. Or something frowned upon by the powers that be which shouldn't be. "You have nothing to hide unless you've done something wrong" only works when those with the power to punish you are unquestionably morally in the right, which is never the case.

      Or if you simply don't want to see unscrupulous marketing and datamining operations improved.

      'damned near every other statement you might make when calling another company is almost IMMEDIATELY followed by "Can I have your name please?"'

      Unless they need to look up an account under my name, they don't get my name. They don't need it, and I don't know how they'll use it.

      "but almost anyone worth anything in terms of sales/technical/etc reps will give you their full name, email address, phone number, etc."

      Their personal email address or phone number? Really? Have you seen that Seinfeld? "Oh, I'm a little busy now, but I'd like to call you about this offer at my leisure, can I please have your home phone number?" Click.

      "In other news, purchasing cigarettes and alcohol require you to disclose your first and last name when you show your ID!"

      Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's right.

      "It isn't like names are even really unique identifiers."

      No, but activities and names combined can be. Suppose you anonymously leak information about a company or organization dumping hazardous waste into the drinking water supply. If you're not that keen with technology, you stand to be outed. This can lead to all sorts of consequences that you really don't deserve, up to and including harm to your person, depending on the nature of your leak and the nature of the offender you're reportingâ"and for that matter, up to and including finding means to silence you and continue whatever offense it is that you're leaking. You know, for example.

      "Now if it revealed birthdays or SSNs or credit card numbers or something then I would understand."

      Why birthdays and not names?

      'Generally it is considered "normal" to give them your name so they have something to call you'

      No, generally it's considered "normal" to give your name or any other personal information only when you volunteer it or are asked and consent to the exchange of information.

    21. Re:Privacy... by Swizec · · Score: 1

      Some people however have a unique combination of name and surname, if not the world then at least their country. For those revealing this information can be a security risk no?

    22. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, so you give away your name to many people daily. Would you also give it to the following guys:

      - Hello, I am advertising online pharmacies, viagra, penis enlargement, and various scam. Would you give me your first and last name, please?

      - Hi, my name is jack, I'm a sex offender and really like your daughter. Would you give me your first and last name?

      - Hello Sir, I collect names and addresses and sell them to various companies. I don't know what these companies are doing with them. Would you give me your first and last name?

    23. Re:Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 1

      You really are kind of deluded aren't you? How is Google revealing your first/last name through a screwup considerably different than revealing it through handing it directly to the government that asks, or company that sues? One involves a technical fuckup, the others involve "justified" revelations. But the point here is that you wanted to keep said identity hidden, so its your own damned fault for giving it to them if you wanted to keep it hidden.

      Oh but their privacy agreement! The government will protect me from them violating the law! RIIIIIGHT. Especially in the case that you bring up (being critical of the government) and what I view as probably the most important reason to hide your identity. Let me see if I track you correctly. Google made an agreement and is arguably bound by law. The law is written and enforced by the government. The government is the group you are criticizing in this example. How fucking stupid is that now? Ultimately this still is passing the buck trying to say company X or government Y is required to help you hide your identity from everyone EXCEPT THEM. I don't know where this twisted ass notion of "it's the governments job to protect us from(insert everything under the sun)". Its that same "but the government will protect me" crap that has lead us into the shithole situation where we might NEED to hide our identities for real.

      Seriously, this is the same kind of argument that the numbnuts government official used when he stood up and said we need to change the definition of privacy. So that the government and businesses can have access to all our personal information and we trust them to manage it. Fuck that... The ONLY...I repeat ONLY... person you can trust with your personal information is yourself. If you don't want it tied to some action, then it is YOUR responsibilty to manage that disconnection. Why on God's green earth you would trust a 3rd party with that is beyond me.

      --
      The only change I can believe in is what I find in my couch cushions.
    24. Re:Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 1

      Here in lies the problem. These people chose to give it to Google. If they wanted that information protected they wouldn't have given it to a 3rd party in the first place. All the people who cry about the privacy statement should be slapped quite soundly. The government writes and enforces the laws that give power to said contracts...and unless you have spent the last 8 years under a rock everyone should know how meaningless that is these days when the government demands that information. Government demanding that information also includes judges forcing them to reveal it to other 3rd parties (Viacom vs Google anyone?). So...now what if Viacom got the names and leaked them? There might be some protection, but you sure as hell didn't have any kind of privacy agreement with them now did you?

      As stated previously...I think Google needs to fix this and apologize. I think the people crying foul over this should be slapped soundly for being idiots about it all.

      --
      The only change I can believe in is what I find in my couch cushions.
    25. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok...so I only see this as an issue for people trying to hide their identity for something nefarious. I mean christ, I give out my full name a dozen times a day to people I don't know. "Hello, we have a circuit down and need to open a ticket." "Hello, I have a few questions about your product." and damned near every other statement you might make when calling another company is almost IMMEDIATELY followed by "Can I have your name please?" Of course this is after they answer the phone "Hello, my name is..."? Now granted they don't always use their last name if they are just phone jockeys, but almost anyone worth anything in terms of sales/technical/etc reps will give you their full name, email address, phone number, etc.

      In other news, purchasing cigarettes and alcohol require you to disclose your first and last name when you show your ID! Even worse, there are rumors that every time you make a purchase using anything other than cash you have to disclose your first and last name. This isn't a privacy issue, maybe a privacy irritation, but certainly not anything to get in a ruffle about. It isn't like names are even really unique identifiers. Now if it revealed birthdays or SSNs or credit card numbers or something then I would understand.

      Course, maybe there is something here I am ignoring. Do the people getting in a ruffle about this freak out when someone of the opposite sex asks their name? "Oh my god they are trying to invade my privacy!" Generally it is considered "normal" to give them your name so they have something to call you other than "freak" or "uberhax4234".

      I think you've entirely missed the point.

    26. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People do not only hide there identity for something nefarious, there are other reasons for that as well. But then it is quite stupid to actully give google your real name in the first place.

      Anyway, that is all beside the point. The bottom line is that in all you examples you choose to reveal your real name. With gmail you specifically choose not to reveal your real name but it does it anyway.

      That is bad, anyway you look at it.

      AC, because I can.

    27. Re:Privacy... by Q2Serpent · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between giving out your name willingly to a few people you deal with, and having it automatically associated with your email address for anyone who knows where to look.

      Think of it this way: if a criminal asked you for your name, would you give it to them? What if they asked you your address and phone number too?

    28. Re:Privacy... by psnyder · · Score: 1

      If they wanted that information protected they wouldn't have given it to a 3rd party in the first place.

      In order to live in a society, it is necessary to give your information to 3rd party businesses. (ie: Credit cards, cell phones, your address so furniture can be shipped, etc.)

      The government writes and enforces the laws that give power to said contracts...and unless you have spent the last 8 years under a rock everyone should know how meaningless that is these days when the government demands that information. Government demanding that information also includes judges forcing them to reveal it to other 3rd parties (Viacom vs Google anyone?).

      The government has the ability to govern. This includes a balance of liberties of both personal and what is good for the public. (ie: The personal freedom to kill and steal is inhibited for the good of society.) Our freedom to give out other people's information is also curbed because it can infringe on their freedom to live a peaceful, safe life.

      The government has various powers. The judicial has the ability to obtain and use certain information in court cases if they deem there is just cause (ie: Viacom vs Google). Viacom does not have the right to use that information outside of court.

      The way our government is designed, there are checks and balances. The judicial branch has to enforce the laws the legislative makes. If the legislative makes a law saying the courts cannot get our information this way, they have to abide by it. We are the ones that elect the legislative branch. If there is a big enough push from the public to change this law, we have the power to raise awareness and elect lawmakers who coincide with our views.

      It is a slow process, but it was designed so that each branch has powers with checks and balances that ultimately lead to the us, the public to change what we don't like.

      I have not read Google's privacy policy, and chances are that it is worded to actually allow for slip-ups like this. In that case, we are the ones that agreed to it (whether we read it or not) and are ultimately responsible for how our information is disseminated. If it is not included in the privacy policy, Google broke the law. A law that the judicial branch enforces, that the legislative branch makes, and that we are responsible for, because we elect the legislative branch.

      If you'd like to change the law to allow names to not be considered personal information, or if you'd like to change how personal information can be used, please raise awareness, write to congressmen, and try to get congressmen elected that agree with you.

      But complaining about how people react when laws are broken and asking them to be quiet about it will only create a more lax society, and allow more cases of government officials using & abusing power because it goes uncontested. I don't believe this is your intention.

    29. Re:Privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok , db32 (862117) ...

    30. Re:Privacy... by db32 · · Score: 1

      You don't need to give your personal information out to many people at all. You don't need a credit card. You don't need a cell phone. You don't need a gmail account. I even agree that companies are held to these laws for good reason. But if you are really trying to stay private then its your own stupid fault for handing that information out in the first place. To be honest I'm not entirely sure that google would have a hard time convincing any court that since the only thing revealed were first/last names that it does not constitute a breech of privacy. I get this big book tossed on my doorstep every so often. Inside the book is the names, addresses, and phone numbers of most of the people in a reasonably large area where I live. The notion that we are somehow granted a right to anonymous email through a 3rd party is laughable. I would even argue that we do have the right ot anonymous communication, but to argue that some 3rd party has to enable that for us is insane.

      My point is...the people that are getting up in arms about this are reactionary kneejerk responders that haven't really stopped to think much other than "Oh my God, the glorious Google might be revealing my name to people!" In fact...in EVERY response I have read it has been a hypothetical "Well what if I was doing this..." in regard to having names revealed.

      Also, by all means, continue on about your "checks and balances" things. Great reading if you pick up a history book and all, but if you bother to pick up a newspaper you will quickly realize how flimsy that really is these days. So let me revise this for you. We elect the legislative branch, the elected leaders write the laws the lobbyists paid for, the executive either vetoes it or issues signing statements to rewrite the law to be what they want, the judicial rules on the law, and the legislative and executive ignore any rulings they don't like. And as I pointed out before, the biggest privacy violation as of late has been the government demanding search records, phone records, etc. Our response through our elected leaders was to say that we don't care if the phone companies have been doing illegal things and that 3 days for FISA to decide is not enough, we want them to be able to wiretap without a warrant for 30-90 days.

      --
      The only change I can believe in is what I find in my couch cushions.
  35. OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly - your name isn't a secret...

    and if you're trying to hide your identity and you put your real first / last name into a free service, you're a moron.

    1. Re:OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by mrbluze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly - your name isn't a secret...

      It is to people who don't know it.

      --
      Do it yourself, because no one else will do it yourself. [beta blockade 10-17 Feb]
    2. Re:OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Realtors have their names (and often their picture and an email address) posted at every street corner and they're real happy about it. Become a realtor and privacy issues are no longer a concern. I'm pretty sure they're also using their real names, without a period at that.
      Since I'm not one yet I'm cowardly being anonymous.

    3. Re:OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 0

      "Since I'm not one yet"

      Yeah realty! theres a career with a future!

      just think of the chicks!

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      -
    4. Re:OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since due to this bug everbody knows it, it is no longer a secret.

      No problem here, move along!

    5. Re:OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Honestly - your name isn't a secret...

      It's a secret to everybody!

    6. Re:OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by IncarnadineConor · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute...

      Rumpelstiltskin!!!

    7. Re:OMG ... first names... then what? Last names? by MagdJTK · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that's how secrets work... I can't quote any of Twelfth Night, but the work sure isn't a secret.

  36. Keep kissing Google's ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet we'd see a totally different reaction if it was hotmail. you suck.

  37. No pity for the ignorant by tobiah · · Score: 1

    And I've little tolerance for those who cannot own their actions.

    --
    "The ability to delude yourself may be an important survival tool" - Jane Wagner -
    1. Re:No pity for the ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have little tolerance for everyone less intelligent than I am, and statistically it's very likely that you come into this group. In an ideal world, people below me but who clearly think above their station would be swiftly eliminated.

      See how it goes?

  38. Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This goes well beyond the scope of SPAM. Once they match your real name with your e-mail, they can start finding out what you do online, what sites/forums you visit, etc (Google knows everything).

    I'm much more worried about ID thieves finding out about my life than about getting personalized spam.

    1. Re:Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by archkittens · · Score: 3, Insightful

      my solution to that is to act schizophrenic on almost every website i visit. any ID thief who tries to profile me just wont get anything they can wrap their tiny criminal minds around, other than perhaps the desire to . your best bet is to have a healthy separation between your life on the internet and your real life.

    2. Re:Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by Zymergy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good Point, Sir.
      But... What if were to tell you that my real Gmail address is "ToddDavis@gmail.com" AND I AM Protected With "LifeLock"!!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuom4j3-dGY

    3. Re:Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Your best bet is to have a healthy separation between your life on the internet and your real life.

      Yup - and that's why I keep a separate e-mail account for each of my different online aliases. The problem is, not everybody is as paranoid as I am.

    4. Re:Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by archkittens · · Score: 1

      The problem is, not everybody is as paranoid as I am.

      paranoia not required, just some basic common sense. we seem to lose that a lot lately, with the fast pace of things. before I hit submit on anything, I take a moment to slow down and consider the effect my click will have on my life. then I generally do it anyways, as i'm not into that illegal mess.

    5. Re:Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      I don't say this much, but that's stupid.

      If someone was going to stalk you through forums and such, your real name is near useless. It's your fake username that will leave the Google trail-- which they presumably already know if they're trying to stalk you.

    6. Re:Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by l0cust · · Score: 1

      .. you need to get laid or something.

      --
      Politicians and Pedophiles: Two groups of exploitive bastards who are most dangerous when they're thinking of children.
    7. Re:Spam doesn't worry me, it's privacy. by archkittens · · Score: 1

      .. you need to get laid or something.

      another excellent reason to keep real and internet lives separate. the more time you spend telling others to get laid on the internet, the less time you can spend eating your own dogfood.

  39. Don't tell me I'm the first one to try it! Please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't tell me that I'm the first person on ./ to know that the REAL NAME of admin@gmail.com is "smart ass"!

    And to think I'm only posting as A.C.! Oh the shame!

  40. But now we can at least learn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we can learn who took our favourite login names! http://www.horribleville.com/d/20060121.html

  41. it's BETA by passthesalt · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Google should give top billing to the word "Beta" in the Gmail logo. It may deter people who will expect too much. It's free. It's in a testing phase (4 years so far). Quit bitching.

    1. Re:it's BETA by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Man, the word 'Beta' is becoming like patents in terms of length.

      If only Microsoft had released Vista Beta instead we'd have no reason to complain!

      --
      "I only speak the truth"
      Karma: null(Mostly affected by an unassigned variable)
    2. Re:it's BETA by pha7boy · · Score: 1

      so what you're saying is we should all stop having any expectations from anything anyone does as long as they place the word beta next to their product. thanks.

      --
      -- All this knowledge is giving me a raging brainer.
    3. Re:it's BETA by passthesalt · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Funny coincidence, but I was a Vista Beta tester. I downloaded the .iso, burnt the DVD and got the install key. But then I read the license agreement. I saw the part where it would quit after a few months, and I would need to buy the full version. I decided not to do the install. MAYBE that happened with EVERY tester. Since nobody was testing, they got no bug reports, so then they released it assuming it was perfect. Vista works, it just doesn't work very well.

    4. Re:it's BETA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to be a Master Beta tester to get Vista for free, so you should have qualified!

    5. Re:it's BETA by passthesalt · · Score: 1

      Just don't expect perfection from something that is in the testing phase. Read the license agreement and terms of service.

  42. Real info? by pyrote · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really, I wonder how many times people have used bugs like this to steal an identity, only to find that it's all fake info anyhow.

    Personally, every few years, I Re-invent someone... Use a fake(completely fake, not false) identity for everything from Cellphones to gmail.

    I google my real name, nothing, google my 'fake' like 20 pages. My 'fake' identity is WAY more famous than I am... I'm kinda jealous.

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    THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!!! eventually.
    1. Re:Real info? by pha7boy · · Score: 1

      I'll start rickrolling my email. that will teach spamers.

      --
      -- All this knowledge is giving me a raging brainer.
  43. phishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see this being a problem when someone doesn't know any better and "We use your real name in our emails" is commonly used as an indicator of a valid email vs a phishing attempt on several widely used and spammed websites. (Citibank, Ebay, Paypal...)

    It might be easy for a human to google your real name from your email address, but not worth the effort if you're talking about huge lists of email addresses (unless they make it easy for your bot to retrieve that data for you).

  44. filter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got one of those emails, it got filtered by the spam filter.

  45. Dammit. by crunchly · · Score: 1

    Now everyone will know that I have nothing going on every Friday and Saturday night for the foreseeable future...

  46. With great power comes great responsibility by shanen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Frankly, Google seems to be gathering excessive power and not doing so well on the responsibility part. In general, they have become far too helpful to spammers, so I suggested a way that Google could be much less helpful to the spammers--but there is no evidence they are interested in it. Does their understanding of evil somehow exempt the spammers?

    On the general privacy thing, Too many companies are collecting too much of our personal data--and then treating it like their corporate property. I deeply resent it, but at least it isn't anything special about Google. Or maybe it is, insofar as Google is especially skilled at using information, and therefore poses the greater threat for potential abuse... What I want it a privacy option to store my personal information on *MY* computer, and they can ask when they want to look at it--and they had better ask nicely, too. (Actually, I want an automated system of user-controlled privacy preferences to handle most of this...)

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  47. MySpace by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Amusingly, I slashdotted that MySpace logs you in via http://secure.myspace.com/ and Slashdot doesn't care to point out that MySpace likes waving around plaintext copies of the same log-in name (i.e. e-mail address) and password you use for Paypal and gMail. (You think MySpace users use a bunch of different e-mail addy's or passwords?)

    1. Re:MySpace by urban_warrior · · Score: 1

      actually i use myspace, registered with a fake email and as for passwords.... I randomly generate passwords by driving down the freeway and writing down licence plate numbers, every new service i sign up for gets for a password a string of 1 to 5 license plate numbers randomly selected from my list depending on how long the service will let me make my password, no password is used twice

  48. Only effects idiots... by raehl · · Score: 1

    ...the #1 rule about creating an anonymous email account is don't use your real name. That's why I sign up for all of my anonymous email accounts using the name Edward Kramer.

    1. Re:Only effects idiots... by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      That's why I sign up for all of my anonymous email accounts using the name Edward Kramer

      I am an Edward Kramer you insensitive clod!

      --
      If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
    2. Re:Only effects idiots... by thedullroar · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Only effects idiots... by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      I am an insensitive clod you insensitive clod!

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  49. How to cause spammers pain: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Enter your name as the following:

    '); DROP TABLE addresses --

  50. Evite has the same feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the big deal. Evite has the exact same feature / bug. It is very convenient if you can see someone's name for the people you invited. If you didn't want your name seen, why did you provide it to google in the first place? Why didn't you sign up with fake name when creating gmail account?

  51. Spammers have clearly known about this for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try setting up an account with a fake name you use only there. See what happens to your spam box.

  52. I'll be treated like a real human! by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

    Or perhaps does it mean I'll finally get "P3n1s Shr1nk1ng" pill advertisements? I'm tired of girls only loving me for my 4 lb. penis. :(

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  53. Maybe its time... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    .. for us to stop hiding behind a fake names and reveal our true identity. What we have to hide, after all?

    To give the example, i will do that myself: my real name is George W. Bush, and my main Slashdot account is CmdrTaco.

  54. Bug report for this was filed months ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My gf came across this issue months ago and had her friend who works for google file a bug report. Looks like they haven't acted on it yet.

  55. Nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice, slashdot.
    Publish it here so people can exploit it.
    -_-

  56. What's the big deal? by cashman73 · · Score: 1
    Seriously, I think subby is making mountains out of molehills here,... I mean, first of all, in order to see someone's name, you've got to (a) know their email address and (b) invite them to join a calendar that you set up, which also clues this person in to the fact that you've got their email address. So it's not like you're really snooping here, nor are you able to get a full list of everyone's names and email addresses.

    Besides, so what if someone knows your real name. My real name is in my effing gmail address anyway. Your real name is not "private" information, like a social security number or a telephone number. If you don't ever want anyone to know your real name, that I'd suggest a better strategy -- STAY OFF THE INTERNET! You'll make life better for you, and me.

  57. There Is No "View" -- Outright Incompetence by JonSimons · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The summary states, "Depending on your view this ranges from a harmless 'feature' to a rather serious privacy violation."

    There is no view, this is absolutely an outright product of incompetence, oversight, and cluelessness. This is definitely a bug, even if Google touts it as a feature. We've seen this before, with Google calendar appointments/conference call numbers made publicy accessible via incompetence.

    Inexcusable.

  58. Gaping security hole reveals same info I send out by pugugly · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was like, really concerned for a minute. I thought spammers had managed to access something *important* or something.

    So, this is about someone that already knows my email address accessing the "name" that I show on every email I send out?

    To quote "The Whole Nine Yards" -
    *Oh* *My* *Gawd*!

    Pug

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  59. That's why my gmail address... by rivaldufus · · Score: 4, Funny

    is just my Social Security number.

  60. The Operative Word is Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I've never been all that impressed with shared calendars or those that are stored online, having always believed that these were inherently less than secure, especially when the word 'free' precedes the description. At least use a service you pay for if you're all that interested in online email collaboration and shared calendar management.

  61. Yeah, but when I paid them $10,000 for advertising by patio11 · · Score: 1

    I expected them to be at least as competent at Microsoft at NOT giving out my details to anybody who asked.

    This would explain why my personal and small business Gmail accounts (the second is technically Google apps, and paid for) have suddenly started to see a bunch of spam including my name, which is not guessable from the email address. And, bugger me further, I have emails with my name in them whitelisted.

  62. Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A little late don't you think?

    Fail!

  63. I'm with you - meh by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Anonymous accounts are for anonymous business. Named accounts are for real business. Somewhere in between are marginal personal accounts where you keep a persistent persona and leave a trail of cookies for the inquisitive to follow. As grandpa used to say, "in a strange town never give your right name".

    I've had my real name open on one gmail account for years, and you can find it all over the web. Gmail is not Hotmail or Windows Live Mail or whatever they call it this year. To send me this "spam" you have to get through Google's email filter, and it's very good. I don't get any spam directed or not in my gmail inbox that I didn't sign up for. On my domains where I use a catchall box I get several thousand spam a day but I don't care -- the RFC says you have to have an account, not that you read the mail.

    As for googling your own name, that's why you buy yourfirstlast.com if you can. That way when people are looking for you the first couple hits point to your personal site and you can direct them to your more insightful contributions to the contemporary dialog. If you're in IT the absence of a web footprint is as damning as mugshot on The Smoking Gun or linking your FaceBook to your MySpace to your HotOrNot to your drunken Fark.com ramblings.

    Some people care. I suppose it's ok for them to care. They think they've been compromised in some way, but I don't care really. I think they're doing it wrong, I think Google did this wrong, but it takes both of them to fail for anything bad to happen so it's not Evil, just sad.

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  64. Hmmm... by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    However, there exists one and only one of me.

    I wouldn't be so sure of that. I've run into many people in my time who were "Motherfucking Shit"s.

  65. Just google being google by Vampyre_Dark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've used about every service that they have had, and this is pretty much how everything they do works. You don't opt in for anything, you have to figure out how to eventually opt out.

    You fumble through the options screen and finally find the right combination of checkboxes that doesn't throw your name out there, and let everyone see everything by default.

    "Hey guess what users, we added this nice option that lets everyone see your real name, address, and link to a picture of your house on google maps. Don't worry, it's been already enabled for your convenience!"

  66. Gore by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Al Gore isn't dead, he's just resting!

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    1. Re:Gore by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

      It is an inconvenient truth.

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  67. The invite recipient gets your real name too by Ezza · · Score: 1

    Just tried it and it still works.

    What is interesting is that the recipent of the invite gets to see YOUR real name in the invite email! So if you are silly enough to "investigate" the real name of someone using your normal gmail account, they get to see your real name.

    Karma? :-)

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  68. Big woop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crap, so this means that my email made from my social security number is in danger.
    Who cares! With no private info associated with email addresses there's nothing to worry about.
    So unless you requested it, you can still delete that email about Viagra.

  69. Surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've all tried getting an email address only to be told its already taken.
    Knowing that, any spammer could just as easily pick names at random and still end up correct at least a quarter of the time.
    The thought is, if the info is important to you don't put it on the internet, even if its google.
    However this thought is based on logic and common sense, concepts not used by most people now days.

  70. Oh I'm so screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now every time I see a "Hi Xcalkjgalkjagkhgh Bakxtz!" spam message I'm going to have to read it. Afterall, they addressed ME about their viagra. It would be rude to ignore them.

  71. Easy How To: by Raven737 · · Score: 3, Informative

    just create any calender entry (single click on an empty field) with just the gmail address in the main 'What:' field, select 'don't send' and open it up (double click)... there you see the full user name of the gmail account.
    Not sure why the article makes it so complicated...

    So the admin@gmail.com guy is named 'smart ass'... poor fellow ;)

  72. That explains something by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I have a gmail account which I don't use (at all) yet. Really puzzled me when some spam landed in it since I haven't quoted that address *anywhere*. This happened a couple of weeks ago. The *only* way spammers could get the address is if it leaked directly from Google. So what other stuff is being leaked buggily or sold on the side by maverick employees of Google eh?

    Andy

    1. Re:That explains something by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      No. That is not the only way.

      Spammers also just start randomly generated combination of names and numbers and sending mass amounts of e-mail out.

      Haven't you ever seen an e-mail come through that has this in the CC field...

      blah1@gmail.com, blah2@gmail.com, blah3@gmail.com

      etc...

      It's not Google releasing your info. That's the *last* thing they'd want to do it. It would really mess up their business.

    2. Re:That explains something by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Or if they guessed it randomly. Guessing a random name @gmail.com is going to have pretty good chances of success at this point.

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  73. A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to find by Shirotae · · Score: 3, Informative

    You may have been given a book that does name->phone-number lookups for those who have not chosen to opt out but I believe that it is very much harder to get access to the inverse function that does phone-number->name lookups. I suspect that it varies by jurisdiction but I believe that in some places at least, people can be in serious trouble for giving access to the database that performs that function to those who do not have the proper authorization.

    Those who are familiar with security will know the concept of work-factor. You can reverse lookup with a phone book but if all you have is a printed copy it is a lot of work. The cost of doing that work is the deterrent. Modern technology has made it easier, but it is still costly. The idea is to adjust the cost/benefit ratio so that an attack is not worthwhile.

    The concern for the revealing of names from addresses is that it makes it cheaper for confidence tricksters to deliver some plausible message that will trick people into giving them some of their money. If the average cost of creating the plausible message becomes less than the expected return then the level of scamming will increase. Those of us not taken in by the tricksters will still suffer from increased level of junk so it is in all our interests to take this kind of thing seriously.

  74. Grrrr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wondered why I started getting a few emails in my Gmail inbox that were spam. This hasn't really happened before in the 3-4 years I've had the account. It usually picks up on it and just puts it straight in the "Spam" catagory.

    I've got Google Apps managing the Email part of my domain name. Nice to know my information is secure.

    God damn it.

  75. Re:Why would anyone give Google honest information by risk+one · · Score: 2, Funny

    [citation needed]

  76. I'm scared/ afraid by cyberzephyr · · Score: 1

    Hey, If i wanted all of that out there i would have given it to them. Thanks for the heads up.

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  77. good thing that google does no evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this happened to hotmail, it would be tagged haha and everybody would be Microsoft-bashing.

    Just saying.

  78. so what ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i don't even care if they use my name in spam messages, gmail spam filter rocks, it's gonna end in spam box anyway :)

  79. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get that people are afraid of what people will find now that their REAL name is out.
    Using a fake name on gmail is just stupid.

    I use my real name on stuff like gmail and a fake name on porn sites. Why the fuck would you ever do the reverse???

  80. I'm perplexed by this - horrible news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first reaction: This is a very serious bug - how could they have missed this in QA? Seriously, making all names available, it's just so incredibly stupid that one must fight oneself not to imbue malice because the amount of incompetence required simply boggles the mind.

    My second reaction: Okay, they have just broken the law. I hope the state will take them to court, even though I don't expect that to actually happen.

    My third reaction: They already pass everyone's info around to pretty much all dubious authorities who ask nicely. This time it's incompetence rather than malice, whatever.

    My fourth reaction: The amount of Google apologists on Slashdot is absolutely incomprehensible. If any other company had done this, not a good word would be spoken.

  81. OT gmail in my history by Sark666 · · Score: 1

    OT, but good as time as any to mention, in my history I see individual email threads from gmail with the subject listed. If someone sits at my computer, I don't necessarily want others to see the topics of my email. This happens even using https throughout the session. Is there a way to prevent this?

    1. Re:OT gmail in my history by argent · · Score: 1

      Clear your history, religiously, or... even better... lock your computer, religiously. If you're concerned about this, there's probably other things in your browser history (or elsewhere in your computer) that you might not want to share.

  82. I reported this on slashdot months ago by bramp · · Score: 1

    I reported this to Google back in March, and then again in April. Neither times did I get a reply, so I tried posting it to bugtrap, that got no reply, so I posted it on my blog and on Slashdot. My comment on slashdot was voted down out of existence.... now the news is on the front page of Slashdot... grrr!

  83. Grow up, lemming by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, grow up. Even if this particular one doesn't affect you, it does show the kind of privacy problems that google has _again_. And it seems to be perfect illustration of what a few Google deffecters were ranting about recently.

    Depending on what of their services you use, Google usually has a lot more data about you than your name. E.g., your searches, the news/mailing-lists you're subscribed to, your credit card number if you use their payment processor, possibly your medical history, etc. Heck, it even has the contents of your emails. Now that's something to worry about.

    Now also bear in mind that a lot of that information has the potential to be worse than it really is, if taken out of context. E.g., if you're a Muslim and searched for "AK-47 tactics", I can assure you that the nice guys from the government won't think of Counter-Strike first. And I hope you don't mind waterboarding if you search for a map that involves placing a bomb at a refinery, and used the wrong wording. It's the same guys who tried to data-mine grocery purchases to find terrorists, i.e., anyone who orders arab kinda food.

    So, yes, stop acting like an emotionally charged idiot. I know that some people get a boner out of defending Google, but grow up. They do have a recurring QA problem, and they do store all data about everyone they can get their hands on. (See their fighting the EU to keep everyone's search data for ever.) Yes, maybe this time it doesn't affect you, but it illustrates a broader problem they have. Unless they start taking QA and privacy seriously, it's only a matter of time before they leak something a lot more sensitive.

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  84. That would be great.... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    But many websites don't accept + as a valid character for names in email addresses.

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  85. Looks unprofessional? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    I could not give a rat ass about an email address as a means to judge how professional somebody is.

    People judging based on that will deserve any pains as consequence of their misjudgements.

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  86. And Google wants my medical record...? by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    That's a laugh...

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  87. I could give less a shit by anarkavre · · Score: 1

    My gmail username is just my first and middle initial followed by my full last name. As to exploiting it for spam, which fills up quickly. I am smart enough to know legit emails from spam and most of it ends up filtered to Spam. I just use the link that deletes all spam messages. Sure it can be annoying, but at least they have it delete all spam in Spam that has been there for more than 30 days. I particularly like the ads for the various meals that you can make with spam.

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    1. Re:I could give less a shit by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      My gmail username is just my first and middle initial followed by my full last name. As to exploiting it for spam, which fills up quickly, I am smart enough to know legit emails from spam and most of it ends up filtered to Spam. I just use the link that deletes all spam messages. Sure it can be annoying, but at least they have it delete all spam in Spam that has been there for more than 30 days. I particularly like the ads for the various meals that you can make with spam.

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    2. Re:I could give less a shit by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      After overlooking my posts after I submitted them, I couldn't help but post the obligatory "Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam!"

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  88. I'm so terrified... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Of someone knowing my name.. horrible. terrible. That's why I have a very highly-obfuscated email address: eric.hidle@gmail.com, which is a combination of my first and last names, separated by a period!

    Nobody will ever figure that one out without exploiting some "bug"

  89. Great AntiSpam Opportunity!! by morgauo · · Score: 1

    So... use a fake name... then.. set a filter that filters anything with that name in it. Hopefully ALL the spammers start using this!

  90. Don't use your real name then by deadlocked · · Score: 1

    You don't *really* have to use your real name when signing up with gmail.

  91. Nom de Querty by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    That's why people should pick a Nom de Querty. If it's ever traced to your iRL name, pick a new name and delete all the old accounts. Or better yet, use a different name on every site. Harder to remember, but more secure.

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  92. Re:Why would anyone give Google honest information by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    This is slashdot. Google can do no wrong. They do no evil. They have so much brain power and are so hip and cutting-edge.

    For example: If you were to post this article and replace Gmail with Microsoft's Hotmail it would be the end of the world and slashdoters would be rising up in the cafeteria to stab them with their plastic forks.

    As it is, they make witty comments about how they don't care anyways.. because Google is good. Google is great. Google is benevolent and all knowing.

  93. Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    Don't worry Im sure the noob will learn.

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  94. Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well it is still in beta, after all. These sort of things are bound to turn up in beta software.

  95. Wait... Google was supposed to be private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doh! How silly of me to think that a free e-mail account where my missives are data-mined for targeted advertisings might not be in every way private!

  96. So's mine. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wondered why all the spam was suddenly titled, "Hey Satanic!" and "Dear Mr. Puppy"

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  97. This was reported more than two months ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I reported this to Google more than two months ago while working on a Shared Google Document. I noticed as soon as I put a (gmail) e-mail in to share the document, I was able to see the other parties name. Google knew about it two months ago and they didn't seem to care. Let's see how they change once it's "public knowledge"....

  98. Re:Why would anyone give Google honest information by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    If you were to post this article and replace Gmail with Microsoft's Hotmail it would be the end of the world and slashdoters would be rising up in the cafeteria to stab them with their plastic forks.

    That should read 'plastic spork' -- or better yet Spork of the Gods!

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  99. Re:A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to f by Phairdon · · Score: 1

    Who cares if it's hard to do a reverse phone number look-up in a physical book? That doesn't matter because there are dozens of websites that do this for you in seconds! Everybody can access the internet now. Physical phone books are meaningless now.

    Go to www.google.com and type your home phone number into the search box. Google will list your name, your address, and show a map on google maps satellite view of your house.

  100. Re:Why would anyone give Google honest information by Spatial · · Score: 1
  101. Re:A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to f by Shirotae · · Score: 1

    Go to www.google.com and type your home phone number into the search box. Google will list your name, your address, and show a map on google maps satellite view of your house.

    I just tried it for several variations of my home and work phone numbers - when quoted as a phrase with any of the usual variants of spaces, national or international prefix - no results found. With the parts of the numbers separately, lots of irrelevant stuff.

    I tried looking for a site that does reverse phone lookup - one I found identified the city and the map it showed had an arrow pointing to a major road in the city centre. The location is about 15 minutes drive from where I live and that radius covers a lot of houses. Other sites that claimed to find anybody's details from a phone number either came up with nothing or in one case, something on the wrong continent!

    I also tried a Google search for my name and the phrase "phone number" - several results (but not the majority) were pages that correctly found some of my online presence, but there was no telephone number to be found there. Searches for my name (just surname) and last part of the phone number also came up either empty or with a few irrelevant random pages.

    There is a lot of data out there on the web and Google does a good job of finding things but it seems that my phone number is not out there and certainly not associated with my name.

    I do not have a Google or gMail account; no plans to get one either.

  102. not quite true by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1

    anyone who registered for their account prior to fixing the . bug can receive both their mail and the mail of the non-period named one. E.g. I'm first.last@gmail.com but firstlast@gmail.com already existed when I signed up. Ignorant to the . rule, I signed up as first.last and it let me. Of course, now I get a fair amt of his email and vice versa. I'm never gonna give it up. He has hot friends who send him photographs.

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  103. But you have to know the email first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This only works if you know someone's email. You have to have that to send the invite. As long as there isn't a large list of gmail addresses, you won't be able to get a large list of the associated names. I don't see what the big deal is.

    Also, if you don't want someone to find the name associated with your address, don't give it to Google to be associated with the gmail address.

    Quit whining.

  104. Re:A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to f by brady8 · · Score: 1

    Our phone company here gives out both books, and has for years. Number -> Name and Name -> Number. This is would be rural Alberta, FYI.

  105. Re:A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to f by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

    Not all databases are indexed by google. Have you gone through any effort to mark your phone number as unlisted? I'ld say post it here...but that would probably be a bad idea; unless you want to find out if a phone number can get /.'ed

    USA? Try: http://www.anywho.com/rl.html

  106. Re:A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to f by Phairdon · · Score: 1

    Let me clarify:

    If you live in the US and have a listed phone number, google will find it.
    I have shown this to over 24 people and it worked for all of them. I don't know why it doesn't for you. Are you unlisted?
    Google and whitepages.com has been 100% successful for any number I type in (and these numbers are listed in the phone book).

    Of course, the smart idea is to make your number unlisted.

  107. I use a funny email address, you insensitive clod! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I've used emails with my slashdot username in them in resumes. Some people made fun of me, but I figure if they can't accept my wacky email address, they definitely don't want me working with them, and I definitely don't want to work there. I got my current job with such an email address, and the HR manager even made fun of my email address at the interview, but it's worked out okay so far.

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  108. Re:A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to f by Shirotae · · Score: 1

    Well that may explain it. I am not in the USA, the phone at my home is what you call unlisted and the phone account is in my wife's name.

    The impression I get is that people outside the USA, especially in the EU, have a higher expectation of privacy and the protection of personal data by companies to which it has been given. Companies such as Google that operate internationally need to take that into account.

  109. That's the funny thing about free e-mail services. by hoppo · · Score: 1

    You get what you pay for.

  110. Re:A reverse lookup phone book is much harder to f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can find directories to look-up names and addresses from phone numbers in most public libraries and online directories as well, so it's harder in that they don't leave the info at your doorstep but the tools to easily perform such a lookup are widely available except in the cases of cell phones and unlisted numbers.

  111. Yeah? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The person(s) responsible for this bug is going to have a nice and very uncomfy meeting with their supervisor very soon...

    I thought Google had an engineering culture. The correct meeting consists of, "how soon can we get this fixed?"

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