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Apollo 14 Moonwalker Claims Aliens Exist
An anonymous reader writes "Former NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell — a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission — has stunningly claimed aliens exist. And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions — but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades. Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'"
I think he just had a case of the space madness.
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Well, maybe we look strange to them, too. Ever think of that?
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Will he be on Coast to Coast AM soon?
Dr. Mitchell has been saying this about aliens for many years now. He's always had a bit of a pseudo-scientific bent. During his Apollo 14 flight to the moon, he secretly conducted ESP experiments with friends back on Earth.
I've seen Moonwalker and I would definitely agree with this notion.
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If its as well covered up as he says it is, why did they let him talk? They're obviously allowing him to go public so he'll appear as a crackpot and give credibility to the opposing view.
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He's just mad that only Buzz gets any attention these days.
What was his source? He doesn't claim to have seen them himself, or anything according to TFA.
What's the value of information that you don't know?
'little people who look strange to us.'
Tom Cruise and the scientologists?
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back to Earth aboard Apollo 14, Mitchell had an epiphany while looking down on the earth from space. "The presence of divinity became almost palpable, and I knew that life in the universe was not just an accident based on random processes ... The knowledge came to me directly," here
Who would have thought that he'd go totally nuts one day.
To cover-up this conspiracy, the government will soon inject him with a secret drug to give him dementia. Those diabolical bastards... who stole my teeth??
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little people who look strange to us.
I for one welcome our new Danny DeVito overlords.
Seriously, I do.
In that case, I'll tell my wife that the new X-Files movie is a documentary.
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I for one welcome our new overlords and wish to extend a heart-felt greeting to Lord Xenu!
BTW, anyone who tries to prove me wrong that aliens haven't visited us is *CLEARLY* part of a government cover up. You may have fooled the world into thinking that Australia exists but you can't fool the world into thinking that aliens haven't visited us!
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He's 77. Obviously, he's senile.
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And they are out there right now...
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Just because you're famous doesn't mean you can't be a total crackpot. Its too bad this time its somebody more science-related.
We don't. Just like we don't know if there was ever really a flying spaghetti monster.
Besides. Since when do Conspiracy Theorist care if somebody who is telling them something is an insider or not?
People who refuse to believe we landed on the moon refuse to listen to insiders. It doesn't matter how many facts or how much proof you heap upon them. They still don't believe.
Only when it works to their advantage do they "believe" what an insider has to say.
People who believe aliens have been to earth don't believe insiders when they say it didn't happen and they claim that the insiders are covering everything up but when one insider says it happened all the believers point to it as ultimate proof because it's from "an insider".
Give me a break.
They choose when to believe and when not to believe depending on what best supports their Theory.
It's like arguing with a Religious person.
Why does it seem so many assume that this is something he have started believing now at this late age; and that is it connected to dementia?
Edgar Mitchell have been involved with fringe science for a long time, and have made statements proclamation his belief in UFOs for a long time. It is his belief; if he seen something to make him believe this I do not know. But to say that this is simply old age and senility is unkind and inaccurate.
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I find it impossible to believe that the government is capable of keeping conspiracies secret. They couldn't keep 5 guys breaking into the DNC office a secret (Watergate), but somehow they can orchestrate an elaborate conspiracy involving thousands of people over the course of 6 decades and not a single shred of credible evidence has been leaked. I'm sorry but deathbed confessions don't count.
How can anyone seriously believe this guy? First he claims that we've walked on the moon and now he's saying that aliens exist.
Back in the good old days people who leaked a big conspiracy disappeared. Ever since the first Kennedy assassination, the Powers That Be have discovered that the best way to deal with leaks is to just have more and more leaks and bury the truth in a million similar sounding lies.
Suppose Mitchell's right and there really is a big alien contact conspiracy that's being covered up? We've all seen so many photos of streetlights coming from crazy/misguided people that the best policy from the conspiracy's point of view would be to let him yammer on and throw out a lot of phony alien contact crap. They don't have to discredit him, we'd all do that for them.
All they need to do is keep him from getting at any legit relics storage so he can't go public with an alien tricorder or something that people can verify as ET in origin and the world will just think he's a loon.
That's the trouble with real earth-shaking truth, it sounds almost indistinguishable from lunacy. You gotta wonder if there is a percentage of our locked-away crazies who are telling us the truth and we're just too thick to see it.
Discard the most unlikely alternative and you'll always find yourself statistically closer to the most likely one.
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Count on something less like Star Drek, Nth Contact and more like ID4, except for the part at the end where we survived (I doubt they would be running Windows on the mothership). I just don't see their presence staying secret for long.
As for Doctor Mitchell, I recommend adjusting the dosage on his meds.
Not to mention, I've met many people that believe weird things without being able to blame dementia/alzheimers/any diagnosed mental illness.
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I am so conflicted. In order to believe this support for one of my favorite conspiracy theories, I have to accept that this guy is credible. In order to accept he is credible, I have to ignore one of my other favorite conspiracy theories about the moon landing. Maybe this situation is presented to me as a test to see whether my brain is harvestable.
But he had a sense of humor so he should have used it, 'cause there was that lunar module there - a fixed camera, just fixed, not panning left or right, just stationary. So he could've been there saying, "Hi, people on the Moon. As you can see, the Sea of Tranquility here, there's the mountains in the distance, there's the Earth! There, you're looking back up at yourselves there. Over to my right, I can see a fucking monster! There's a monster behind me! ( screaming ) Oh no, help! Get off my leg!" Buzz Aldrin in a monster outfit ( growling ) Neil doing a close-up with... "He's got me, Houston. The monster's got me! He wants cash! He's got my hand up behind my back. I think he knows jiu-jitsu! He wants cash for the release of my life. Send a million... - two million dollars, leave it in a bag by the Sea of Tranquility. I don't know, the North Shore! What the fucking 'ell...?" Oh, it would have worked, wouldn't it?
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... with NASA for years. There has been lots written about it. Some, like the secret Egyptian ritualistic cult is bunk. A lot, like the amount of images that NASA has edited or deliberately taken at lower resolutions than the equipment was designed for or at really poor angles.
And if you read though the Apollo transcripts, there are some really bizarre comments that only make sense if you take them in the setting of discovering alien ruins or debris on the moon.
And if you look at the history of the UFOs and alleged government cover-ups, you see that the few that have broken their silence on the matter have effectively been death bed confessions. Others that have done so have just disappeared (i.e. Bob Lazar).
What I find strange, if there is no real cover-up of UFOs, then why has the government spent so much time and effort trying to sweep it under the rug, so to speak. There are documents out there, that have been released through the FOIA process that show how much time and effort has gone into it and how high it goes (I have seen documents from Eisenhower, Truman, and Kennedy on the subject). If there are truly no such thing as UFO's, then why address the issue at all?
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Keep in mind that Apollo astronauts weren't selected because they were good scientists. They were chosen because they were good pilots.
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You can listen to the actual interview here
Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now".
Oh dear god!
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How do all these aliens actually pull off the secrecy... amidst all these people that LUST for its exposure?
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Absolutely. Of course, if you're going to fall into the NASA conspiracy you want to be true, shouldn't you at least acknowledge the NASA consipracy you don't want to be true? Maybe?
Without lending credence to either conspiracy theory, one of the metrics you should use when judging the likelihood of a conspiracy being true is the number of individuals required to be complicit.
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This story comes up just as the new X-Files movie comes out. Coincidence? I think not.
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One of the most common reasons for not revealing the existence of aliens, is because the top leaders of the world are afraid that the population of earth will panic. I don't think that is the case, I think most people would say something like "yes, I knew there really were aliens". The only ones I think would panic is the religious nut-jobs, although you would think that the would be used to have their view of the world shattered at least once every hundred year or so.
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It seems far more likely to me that the government is covering up things they themselves do than the actions of aliens. Furthermore, why would an intelligent species meet with what I consider to be generally the most violent portion of supposedly civilized society, find reason to return, but not take stuff from us.
Unless all they want are our bees and ozone.
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Hmmm and the new movie is coming out soon - actually tomorrow. Coincidence? I think not. Trustno1.
Uh, no. It would be truly remarkable that alien life would have master traveling at the speed of light to get here. Otherwise it would take a journey of hundreds or thousands of years. What's next? Are you going to tell me that maybe these aliens have a life span of twenty thousand years and they just read a book on the way here? I don't think so. Alien life is more then plausible, it is all but assured. Space travel to far away solar systems is very, very unlikely.
OK, so you believe him? You believe there are aliens. Right?
I'd be happy to join you if you provide proof of that. Incontrovertible proof. In the era of pervasive digital imaging, someone must have that, somewhere. Surely? Maybe it's just a coincidence that the number of "quality" UFO sightings dropped dramatically after the 70s. Yeah. So let's see it. Because otherwise you're asking me to have faith. And quite frankly, at that point the "ufologist" starts to sound suspiciously like a Jehova's Witness.
I'm ready to believe the truth is out there. Just show me proof.
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Being in space or not does NOT lend any extra credibility to any claim. If you think he's credible on this, then fine, but "ZOMG he's been to the MOON!!11" doesn't make him an expert on extraterrestrial life and government cover-ups. Even if it did, it's still only a statement. Without any evidence to back it up, it has no real value.
Mitchell has been into fringe (or pseudo, take your pick) science for a long time now, and believes in things like remote healing, ESP, as well. Should we start to believe in that as well?
I get paid by NASA too, and frankly, I'd be more worried someone there would fake evidence that there IS life in space in order to get a bigger slice of the declining NASA science budget (which is getting cut 20% this year if GWB gets his way).
That's not true. Many astronauts claim to have witnessed UFOs either in space or while flying military aircraft. Some examples: Gordon Cooper; Donald Slayton; Robert White; Joseph Walker; and both Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman witnessed an object while in orbit together.
Perhaps they're all wrong. Or conspiracy theorists. Or just plain nuts. But if they're all nuts, then they shouldn't be called "flight-ready" now should they?
Gordon Cooper (Mercury 9 & Gemini 5) has also made similar claims. I seem to recall hearing such claims also made by other astronauts, as well as engineers etc..
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As Michael Shermer has observed, "smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." A humble reminder that you can have a degree in aeronautical engineering, a doctorate in aeronautics and astronautics, and also walk on the fucking moon, and still have totally pseudoscientific, non-evidence-based views about the world just because you personally want them to be true.
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You sound so... sincere.
The reason that logical, rational people dismiss alien contact is there simply isn't any evidence that is bulletproof.
It's FAR, FAR more likely that people:
1) play hoaxes on the public
2) misremember or misinterpret natural events
3) hallucinate due to drugs/alcohol or mental illness
4) lie for attention
You're right, though, to a certain degree. As we accumulate more and more anecdotal evidence, we SHOULD keep our eyes and ears open. But we must also remember that we're very fallible creatures, so we shouldn't accept any evidence unless it is truly convincing.
So far, no truly convincing evidence has been found.
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Unless they had the interstellar equivalent of a flat tire, why would they stop here? Certainly not to learn anything from us - about us, perhaps; but any race capable of overcoming the obstacle that is interstellar space would hardly be interested in our coal/oil/uranium fired technologies.
I don't know... ask an archaeologist if they would like to have a time machine to observe ancient civilizations directly. I would imagine that in a galaxy even fairly dense with sentient life, finding one right on the dawn of a industrial/atomic/information age would be a pretty rare thing and would be something hypothetical alien xenoarchaeologists would really want to observe.
I said nothing of the sort. He claims to have witnessed a briefing on the subject. I do know that he has said this. I wasn't present at that briefing and do not know what happened there or what was said.
And to the slashdot editors: the time limits on posting make it *impossible* to hold a debate on /. now. Most sucky.
Creativity in science is RARE; furthermore, science is loaded with stories about great discoveries by people who were ridiculed for testing theories (often thoughtlessly) dismissed by others.
It is unscientific to criticize a scientist for personally performing their own experiments and not simply trusting the prevailing opinion (especially in a weak area like ESP which has elements of psychology; therefore, it tests the boundaries of science itself which is best suited for rigid subjects.)
A bad scientist is only one who can not properly do experiments or falsifies results. Possibly one could argue that it is bad practice to apply science to subjects where its effectiveness is minimal to non-existent (surely, you'd agree existing religions are one of the worse places for its application?)
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I couldn't agree more. These people stating with such certainty that there is no such thing as extraterrestrial life are nuts. My view is that people who seriously believe we are alone in the universe just don't understand the numbers.
You "unbelievers" do know how many stars there are in the universe, don't you? It's around 10^21. Do you have any comprehension at all of what kind of a number that is?
The chance of us, out of the countless trillions of star systems in the universe and over billions of years, somehow being the only place to develop any form of intelligent life is so remote I can't take it seriously. Of course other systems have intelligent life. It's as statistically certain as the sun coming up tomorrow. Probably a few orders of magnitude more so.
People talk about fools who "believe" in aliens but they're believers in a much more unlikely scenario, IMO. I don't know why this insistence that we're "alone" is so common - some relic of Christian "we are god's favourites" or something, maybe.
We haven't even made it to the nearest star, FFS. Who knows what is out there. We certainly don't and anyone who claims to - or claims to know what is NOT out there - is talking out their ass.
Not that I give this astronaut much credence, of course. Why would an advanced alien species bother with earth? Believing that they do without any solid evidence to back it up is just another kind of "humans are important" wishful thinking, IMO.
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Also, a relative of mine told me that around 1969 or 70 or so at night she and a friend were on the porch talking. A light source came down, low/tree-top, over the street, quietly. It was NOT like any aircraft or hobby toys of the time. It seemed to be observing them, or just hanging around, then it abruptly left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning perhaps?
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This isn't crackpottery. It's most probably an ongoing NASA hoax. Especially the smart techie and science people like to do that kind of stuff. And they *do* do that kind of stuff. It's also aparently a good way of venting some of the pressure when working on complex problems. My parents both worked for NASA, so did my grandpa. My dad worked on the Space Shuttle Radar systems as an electronics engineer and my grandpa as an electronics engineer with Grumman on the Lunar Lander. My mother protocolled some of the Apollo missions recorded radio transmission and she can remember NASA astronauts describing artificial structures on the back side of the moon during a mission. And no, she is not senile or a crackpot. She actually still one of the smartest, brightest and educated people I know. And she's closing in on 70.
Now other than this artificial structure thing actually being true, it is more probable that the astronauts and engineers have this little meme going on for a few decades now. Appling Rackhams Razor this is most probably the case. It would be interesting to know if it was Apollo 14 she protocolled. The timeframe (early 70ies) would fit.
I've got two options: "Truth" and "Traditional NASA Family Meme/Hoax". Most of my money and all my pocket cash is on option two. ... Allthough, you never know.
The NASA and contracter teams involved are probably pissing their pants laughing every time this kind of stuff makes it into the broad media.
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Actually, it does. That' how it works, see? There might be a pink elephant on top of the Eiffel tower (a small one, that hides whenever someone looks directly at it - or maybe even an invisible pink elephant!). But if it does exist, its existence is so flimsy, so irrelevant, and has such a small impact on the rest of reality, that it's not worth taking into account.
When something that is as actively sought as "little gray men in flying saucers" is supported by exactly zero evidence, it's pretty safe to say that it doesn't exist.
If you read my post, I wrote that there is a high probability of alien life. Just not alien humanoid life, visiting the Earth. We would have noticed it (where by "we" I mean sane people, with cameras and radars and telescopes).
Over 10 people filmed the airplanes hitting the towers on 9/11, and they weren't actively looking for airplanes hitting skyscrapers. There are thousands of people looking through telescopes, analysing data from radars and just recording video of the sky. Many of them are actually actively looking for alien spaceships and little gray men visiting the Earth. Grand total of evidence? Zero.
When something is the subject of so much observation, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It's not proof, of course, but you can't really prove anything, outside the domain of pure maths. Everything else can, at best, be "undisproved".
Oh come on. Do you really believe humanity, as of 2008, has discovered every secret of science there is? We have reached the universal pinnacle of transportation technology? Nothing we can't do right now, today, is possible, full stop end of story?
Give me a break. Our current technology does not even scratch the surface. 99% of our transportation is still powered by burning oil, for christ's sake!
Think how far humankind has come in the last 1000 years. Now imagine where we might be in another 1000. And another. And another. And another few million.
Do you really think that 1 million AD humans don't know a thing or two about the structure of spacetime that we don't? You sound like a medieval knight telling me, with absolute certainty, that humans will never fly because we are heavier than air.
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As others have noted, plenty of astronauts have views that don't seem consistent with their backgrounds. For example, Jim Irwin's (Apollo 15, 8th human on the Moon) post-NASA life was focused in large part on trying to find Noah's Ark. The fact is: 1) smart people aren't immune to having views inconsistent with basic logic or common sense; and 2) many astronauts are not trained as scientists.
Someone on slashdot recommended a good book which debunks these myths and tries to explain why people believe them. It also argues why science is important in our society and the risks of having people making decisions without truly understanding the issues at hand. Unfortunately, there are people in politics for example believing in UFOs, satanism, intelligent design, etc etc. There is nothing more healthy for a society than a good dose of skepticism. The book is called "The Demon-haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" by Carl Sagan.
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All thr problems with ID4, and people keep talking about the one thing that was plausible as if it couldn't happen.
I think after 60 years of studying their technology we might have learned a thing or two.
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Although improbable, there has to be a first civilization in our galaxy, and maybe we are the most advanced life form in our galaxy so far. Regarding the age of the universe, it is possible, because the matter of the solar system had to go through 2 or 3 supernovae before having enough high period elements, and it took the universe about 5 billion years alone to create us since our planet was created, which is more than a third of the age of the universe.
This leaves us with a number of possibilities:
- we are the first
- intelligent life is very rare or very fragile and volatile in our universe
- the guy is right and they are already here and among us (maybe they are criminals hiding on a primitive planet)
- interstellar distances are simply to big to be overcome, or no one wants to pay for the energy
- evil alien predators are already on their way to blow us out of the sky before we become serious competitors
- we live in a zoo and are just being watched
- everything is just a big illusion, and our reality is only virtual
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Oh really now.
Does anyone here find this all that surprising?
The odds are other life does exist, get over it.
Not only that, I bet they are better than we are, absolutely laugh at our television broadcasts of our "top" scientists BY DECREE, telling us that the distances between blah blah blah and that is totally impossible to cross such distances....blah blah blah....
Really lets put this in perspective.
In less than 120 years, we went from Orville and Co, to the moon.
Our basic understanding of the very structure of the universe and the forces and materials of things go together is infantile at best.
I mean, we have no concept of what gravity is, although we know enough to describe it and how it acts on objects.
We have no clue about the various types of materials the universe is made out of or their properties. I mean dark energy, matter etc have practically just been discovered for example.
Now take a sentient being other than humans, and instead of 150 years to figure out how to travel in space, give them say an extra million years. Even, dare I say a BILLION years of time.
Point is, you no longer have just ET's, you have gods with a small g walking around up there.
If we can do this rate of advance in just 150 years, imagine what ET's could have done with a billion years.
What is possible would be pretty much fantasy to us.
If there are ET's and Earth is not a rare occurrence, they must be all over the place.
I bet we are just the ants in their backyards. :-)
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PS: I hope there is something better than humans out there. We suck.
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Odd story... Is there a movie coming out that is sort of based on the story...
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This is the whole point isn't it. The old 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' (Sagan, boy, I miss him).
At the least, he needs to give details that could be either verified or corroborated in some way. Just saying 'we have them' and 'Roswell is real' does not do anybody any good. If he claims that he has knowledge of something like their anatomy, he should tell us exactly how he knows that their anatomy is like that.
Specific events could be something along the lines of "Col. Green from Special Command gave us a brief on this day prior to liftoff. The brief covered X. Also present were astronauts Y and Z." Being briefed on aliens, or viewing aliens, or some similar event would leave such an indelible mark in his memory that he should be able to tell you everything about the event. I remember where I was when I saw the Challenger explode. I remember where I was on 9/11. If I was briefed on aliens, I'd remember it so well I could reproduce it almost verbatim. Absent this sort of information, I call bullshit.
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You're absolutely right. It works the other way around too. If I saw a really hot female alien I'd want to probe her every hole too. And sci-fi is full of really hot alien chicks! If we get something like Spielberg's ET though, that's a different story. There's no hole there worth probing. But hey, his flat head and small height would probably make him perfect to hold the TV remote. No probing required.
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In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe.
Of course NASA isn't involved in that. INS division 6 handles extra-terrestrial contact.
Anyways, am I the only one that found it odd that in each sentence he specifically state that NASA wasn't involved? He didn't say that the US government doesn't track or cover up such things. This leaves it open to any other group or department. The spokesperson did not flat out say NASA has not encountered any evidence of extra-terrestrial life forms visiting Earth. The closest thing he said is "we do not share his opinions on the issue." If I was wearing my tin-foil hat, I would say it is odd that in every other sentence he was very precise in stating that 'NASA' does not handle a particular activity or procedure, but in the last statement he is not as precise and says, "...we do not share his opinions on this issue." The word "we" could refer to different groups or sub-departments. What opinions are they referring to? If they are referring to the belief that they have visited several times, I would have to say that several is not a quantitative term and what I see as several, others would view as "many" or "a few." That is a difference in opinion. Oh well... maybe I should just take off my tinfoil hat now.
Oh come on, if aliens really existed, how could the government keep it secret? Surely someone would get the word out that they exist. Oh, wait .....
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
A coverup? A massive worldwide coverup? C'mon. Is there anyone really believing that governments are capable of it? Do you remember stories about Word documents with metadata that revealed more than intented? Governments aren't capable of covering much simpler things, let alone UFOs.
Let me post that list again of people who would really like to TESTIFY UNDER OATH before Congress:
(and risk 15 years in jail if lying!). Mitchell is in good company with people who have very solid track records!
The world is more than ready to hear the truth once and for all so that we come put an end to these perpetuating dichotomies between 'believers' and 'skeptics'.
We don't need all the military, sensitive details and stuff: just a YES or NO, what they look like and their intentions.
Source: http://www.disclosureproject.org/aboutexecsumm.htm
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Testimony that Explains the Secrecy
Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command; Lt. Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.); "Dr. B"; Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps; Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.); Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official; Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer; Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army; Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative; A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee; Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police; Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force; Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee; Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official; Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer; Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness; Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force; Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert; Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer; Astronaut Edgar Mitchell; John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations; Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller; Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician; Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot; Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot; Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller; Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force; Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy; James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications
Witness Testimony Overview
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell: May 1998; Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000
Radar and Pilot Cases
FAA Division Chief John Callahan; Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.); Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force; Commander Graham Bethune: US Navy (ret.); Mr. Enrique Kolbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller; Dr. Richard Haines; Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy; Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot; Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.); Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.); Captain Massimo Poggi; Lt. Bob Walker: US Army; Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army
SAC/Nuke
Captain Robert Salas; Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force; Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.); Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.); Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy; Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency; Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force; Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force
Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders
Astronaut Gordon Cooper; Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command; Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.); Dr. Carol Rosin; âoeDr. B.â; Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps; Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force; Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense; Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense; Security Officer Larry Warren: United States Air Force; Captain Lori Rehfeldt; Sergeant Clifford Stone: United States Army; Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force; Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/NRO Operative (ret.); Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor; Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.); Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force
(ret.); Mr. Don Johnson; A.H.: Boeing Aerospace, December 2000; British Police Officer Alan Godfrey; Mr. Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official; Sergeant Karl Wolfe: US Air Force; Donna Hare: Former NASA Employee; Mr. John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.); Mr. Harland Bentley: US Army; Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer, ; Dr. Alfred Webre: Senior Policy Analyst Stanford Research
Most geeks I know or have read on Slashdot agree that Lucas turned completely evil and greedy when he did the prequels, and think he basically ruined Star Wars.
Many geeks also agree that The Empire Strikes Back was easily the best SW movie of all, and the main reason for that was because Lucas DIDN'T write it. Lucas is an imaginative guy, and great with special effects, alien worlds and beings, etc., but he completely sucks at writing a decent story or especially dialog.
I think there's an upper boundary to technology, called the Laws of Physics, which may be refined, clarified, but won't be broken outright.
True but we don't know all the Laws of Physics yet so how can we say categorically that something is impossible? If you look at String Theory then they have models which just about break every concept we hold dear: that it is not to say that any of these bizarre models are correct but if you can come up with a theory which allows you to break things like Lorentz and unitarity in a manner not yet contradicted by experiment I don't think that you can be too certain what may eventually be possible!
'little people who look strange to us.' Sure they are little, look peculiar, speak funny. But we must acknowledge that their technology and civilisation is many millenia ahead of ours. And - I love their cuisine, especially the sushi!
I might buy the sock to hanger conversion, with trivial alien intervention or a little black sock module in the dryer, but I just don't see how they can possibly get back up on the closet rod after the transformation. BTW, I'm an unwavering post-transformationalist, so don't even start the argument that they migrate to the closet rods as pre-hanger, sock pupae. The fossil evidence doesn't bear that out.
Invenio via vel creo