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Gadgets For a Budding Geek?

fprintf writes "As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like my 13-year-old son is following in my footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based toys. In the past he has been really interested in Lava Lamps, Newton's Cradle, and anything magnetic. It seems the knick-knacks that have generated the most interest were small and relatively inexpensive. For example, a small laser pointer keychain I bought him a couple of years ago still provides tons of entertainment. Yesterday I showed him ThinkGeek and he really liked the Levitron. I wanted to ask the Slashdot crowd what were some other really neat, interesting gadgets? Is there anything cool in the under-$50 range that you would like in your stocking this year?"

372 comments

  1. ThinkGeek?? by Zosden · · Score: 1, Informative

    I love getting things from ThinkGeek.com They have "toys" and stuff for all ages.

    1. Re:ThinkGeek?? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

      I love getting things from ThinkGeek.com They have "toys" and stuff for all ages.

      Yeah, he already said that. Better answers include:

      - Kids Electronics Lab
      - Eyeclops Microscope
      - Commodore 64
      - Lego Mindstorms

      Those are just a few toys that can be used educationally to learn about science, engineering, and math.

    2. Re:ThinkGeek?? by More_Cowbell · · Score: 1

      Couldn't agree more. I had the equivalent of these (slightly less evolved 18 years ago... aside form the C64, which was my second computer) back then and I loved them all. Off the top of my head, I would only add a decent chemistry set; although I hear they are becoming more and more limited in scope these days. Perhaps also model rockets - cheap enough and really fun.

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    3. Re:ThinkGeek?? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A more interesting approach would be to make sure that there is the "how does this work" question that arises.

      By not just having a cool gadget but also having something that has to be figured out how it works then that will tickle the mind and allow for bigger potentials.

      Electronic construction from discrete components (transistors, resistors, capacitors and a soldering iron) will be something that can really challenge the mind. A course in electronics is also good. There are special soldering technique courses, but that may come at a later stage.

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    4. Re:ThinkGeek?? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I second the mention of the electronics lab linked to there, I had one when I was a kid (it wasnt that one, it was one that was simpler with less components and I liked it. The springs and breadboard on that one make it simple to use and since its a breadboard, you can use any normal components that fit to expand it later on.

    5. Re:ThinkGeek?? by theaveng · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I liked that story about the Commodore 64, and the kid learning to write his first BASIC programs. Now he has a skill that is actually employable (whether you write BASIC, Fortran, C, or VHDL, it's all basically the same). He just needs to keep practicing.

      I learned programming on my own without my parents help. I was self-motivated; I don't know why? I guess I just wanted to see what images I could make the Commodore flash up on the screen. Eventually I lost interest in programming, and became more curious how the hardware actually work (how does a SID make sound?), and started devouring all the tech manuals I could find.

      The key I think is to instill that same self-motivation/self-learning process to the next generation; how to do that is a mystery. I suspect it requires an innate curiosity instilled from birth.

      TRIVIA:

      Voyagers 1 and 2 are still alive and in daily communication with NASA: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/profiles_dsn .html - Amazing! Who says old 70s tech is not useful? ;-)

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    6. Re:ThinkGeek?? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I would only add a decent chemistry set; although I hear they are becoming more and more limited in scope these days.

      I think the only way to get a decent chemistry set these days would be to make your own.

      Obligatory Max Headroom quote, for those of us old enough to remember the early '80s: "Ah, exprosions - very nice..."

    7. Re:ThinkGeek?? by sveiki_neliels · · Score: 1

      You know, in addition to a decent electronics lab, you could tack on a decent microcontroller. They are cheap and easy to program with USB JTAG. There are programs out there that you can use out of the box, I/O pins from the package can be used to drive components on a breadboard, and in the future there's the opportunity to program on a microcontroller, right down to a RISC assembly language.

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    8. Re:ThinkGeek?? by sveiki_neliels · · Score: 1

      (whether you write BASIC, Fortran, C, or VHDL, it's all basically the same)

      Okay, C & Fortran are procedural programming languages. BASIC... well, it is a programming language, too. But how does VHDL get into this list?

      Honestly, I'm currently a TA for a Computer Engineering second-year FPGA design course, and if there's one thing I've learned it is that there's probably not a whole lot worse ideas you can get into your head than to think that there's some sort of usable correlation between a programming language and an HDL.

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    9. Re:ThinkGeek?? by inKubus · · Score: 1

      Amazing Toys is a site I stumbled upon a long time ago that has a lot of cool stuff. Gigantic bubbles, water balloon slingshots, etc. Good service also.

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    10. Re:ThinkGeek?? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MSAK
      Arduino starter kit. Comes with an Arduino (ATMega168 made all novice-friendly), breadboard, LEDs, buttons, wires, resistors, and a book to tell you how it works.

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    11. Re:ThinkGeek?? by WhiteHorse-The+Origi · · Score: 1

      Oh that is so 90's. Get the kid some modern DIY kits. They have robots, cars, airplanes, linux, etc.

  2. "/."liza. by Ostracus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ""As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like my 13-year-old son is following in my footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based toys."

    Why do you hate to admit it?

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    1. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like my 13-year-old son is following in my footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based toys."

      It's better than having your son following in your footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based boys.

    2. Re: "/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Home chemistry kit....

      MAKE METH 24/7!!!

      Don't forget about the $$$$$!

    3. Re:"/."liza. by chartreuse · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why do you think he hates to admit it? /eliza

    4. Re:"/."liza. by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Why do you think he hates to admit it? /eliza

      Eliza: Oh, i think he hates to admit it.

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    5. Re:"/."liza. by kermit1221 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because he waited until his kid was 13 to teach him how to be a geek.

      My six year old is pissed I won't let him have his own soldering iron yet. I told him when he can get the spring-post and/or snap terminal circuits built right the first time, then he can solder stuff.

    6. Re:"/."liza. by Rei · · Score: 1

      Why do you hate to admit it?

      I'm sure at first he was elated, but eventually he grew concerned. He proved his genes were grade A, but what of when tables turn?

      "As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like my 13-year-old son is following in my footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based toys."

      Easy solution: Ship him to Singapore and sell his a** to Nike. "Stitch 'em tight!"

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    7. Re:"/."liza. by fractoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      And how does hate to admit it make you feel?

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    8. Re:"/."liza. by evanbd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't get circuits right the first time, even when I'm being paid to build them. That's what breadboards are for. You build it on the breadboard, go "huh, that's not right," fix it, and then transfer it to soldered perf board. You don't build with solder the first time. If you need it right the first time (because you're fabbing a PCB, for example) then there's hours worth of design review and double checking involved.

      If you're worried about letting the magic smoke out... well, you can do that just as easily on a breadboard or spring terminals. Besides, being overly paranoid about the magic smoke is bad for learning. Go buy 100 transistors from digikey ($6 for 2N3904 / 2N3906), a dozen op amps, a couple hundred assorted resistors, etc. Obviously you don't want to teach carelessness, but paranoia about $0.05 components isn't warranted either.

    9. Re:"/."liza. by Higaran · · Score: 1

      Because you don't want the kid to turn into Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

    10. Re:"/."liza. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 1

      > My six year old is pissed I won't let him have his own soldering iron yet.

      Why on earth not? If he picks it up by the wrong end, he'll yell and squeak, drop it soon enough, and never repeat the exercise.

      It's called learning from experience, and it's just so wrong that we seem hell-bent on stopping that form of learning, because it's by far and away the most effective way.

    11. Re:"/."liza. by bXTr · · Score: 1

      My six year old is pissed I won't let him have his own soldering iron yet.

      If and/or when you're ready to buy one, I would suggest the ColdHeat. They're apparently unavailable from their online store, but I bought one at Fry's a couple of weeks ago. YMMV.

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    12. Re:"/."liza. by citizen_senior · · Score: 0

      I hate to admit it but I have a theory about why he hates to admit it. However I'm going to be discrete about it. I think eliza has got something to do with it

    13. Re:"/."liza. by muridae · · Score: 1

      If and/or when you're ready to buy one, I would suggest the ColdHeat.

      Allow me to be the first to chime saying "That is an awful idea." The tip of the ColdHeat irons are huge, you aren't going to be able to solder any IC package with that. Maybe at 6 the GP's kid is just soldering transistors and resistors, but I doubt he will stay with just those. Second, because the tip of those irons is so large, and because it 'only turns on when there is metal touching' then it's probably pumping current from one side to the other. What happens to all that current if that large tip hits two pins on a transistor or IC? You guessed it, the electrons go through the chip. I hope, and only because magic smoke is so rare that we need to preserve all of it, that the electrons are going in a direction supported by the chip.?

      Go to a hardware store, and get a cheap iron with a couple different heat settings and a replaceable tip. Unless you expect the user to burn through the power cord on a regular basis, spend the few extra bucks for an iron that will actually solder.

    14. Re:"/."liza. by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      We were talking about you, not me.

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    15. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, a gay joke. How droll.

    16. Re:"/."liza. by aywwts4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know if it is really a learning experience, the knowledge that fire=bad doesn't help when you just aren't thinking about it.

      All you need is that split seccond of mixed signals in motor skills in your brain, to not switch from the note you just wrote with a pencil and the soldering iron you just picked up.

      I had to write right handed for a week.

      Though really, the main reason I would think of to keep a soldering iron of of a young kid's hand is not personal safety, but avoiding a house fire. That kind of wattage is a lot to entrust to a 6 year old. I think keeping them confined to battery power is a good idea at that stage.

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    17. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like my 13-year-old son is following in my footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based toys."

      It's better than having your son following in your footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based boys.

      why?

    18. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... Not necessarily.

    19. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're worried about letting the magic smoke out
      I think he's probably more worried about his six year old son burning the shit out of himself or his house.

    20. Re:"/."liza. by CheShACat · · Score: 4, Funny

      I had to write right handed for a week.
      How do you think I feel? I've been made to do it for 25 years!

    21. Re:"/."liza. by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      15W is a lot to entrust to a 6 year old? You really don't need a lot to solder some basic electronics together. A 15W iron can hardly cause any damage beyond melting.

    22. Re:"/."liza. by theaveng · · Score: 1

      I agree. I never touched a soldering iron until I was already in college (in my 20s), and it hasn't "stunted" my career. I don't see why a 6-year-old needs to be soldering. Give him a breadboard.

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    23. Re:"/."liza. by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Because he's worried that his son might have 'The Knack'

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw

      (Dilbert)

    24. Re:"/."liza. by lahvak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ehm, that's not funny!

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    25. Re:"/."liza. by DwySteve · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No it's not warranted to worry about a 5 cent component being destroy, but I *DO* worry about people putting them BACK IN THE PILE WITH THE WORKING COMPONENTS after they're destroyed. The component is worthless but the time I spend trying to figure out why my circuit isn't working when half the components I pulled out of the bin are busted IS.

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    26. Re:"/."liza. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      If you're able to use a breadboard to prototype your circuits, you're not building interesting stuff! 8-)

      Seriously, it's gotten to the point where RF and computer components are either all SMT, or are made using stripline techniques. It's almost impossible to prototype anything with UHF or higher frequencies on a breadboard because the layout and composition of the PCB begin to play a major role. Luckily manufacturers are beginning to bundle related circuits into RF building-blocks-on-chips so that the external connections are not operating at the RF freq which relieves some of the layout angst.

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    27. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's better than having your son following in your footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based boys.

      Why is that precisely?

    28. Re:"/."liza. by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a father of a 6 year old, that should not be a big concern.

      First, you can't do that much damage to the house with a soldering iron. Yes, you can burn your name into a piece of wood / wall / table / etc, but if you have a work room then it's not a big deal.

      Second, the parent should be working with the kid when learning and the child can wear gloves to reduce burns. Burning himself is something that he will quickly learn not to do. Yes, there will likely be some slight injury, but nothing that bad. Really, parents need to let the kids try stuff out in a relatively (but not completely) safe environment.

      It's like learning to skateboard or ride a bike. They are going to fall down and hurt themselves. So, get them some protective gear to prevent major injury, kiss the boo-boos, and get over it.

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    29. Re:"/."liza. by TerranFury · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's possible, I suppose, to start a fire with a current-limited 5V or 15V breadboard supply -- but I think it'd take some effort. I've never seen a serious fire happen. Worst case, a chip melts and leaves a scar on the breadboard -- not a problem. So really, I wouldn't worry about it. Riding a bicycle is more dangerous.

      And breadboards are great things. If his son wants to build something permanent or high frequency, then, sure, bring out the soldering iron. But I think that, as educational tools and as toys, breadboards put the emphasis on the right things -- tinkering, experimentation, and component reuse -- rather than fabrication, painstaking care, and permanence. I'm afraid that what happens all too often when electronics are approached from the second point of view is that the hobbyist treats doing an electronics project as (1) finding a schematic, and (2) building it. And while it's true that you learn things that way, I think that breadboards are better educational tools and better toys because they encourage experimentation and creativity more, and put the focus on the circuits rather than the fabrication thereof. The OP's son is more likely to come up with his own circuits on a breadboard than with a soldering iron in hand.

      The one tool that is wonderful in an electronics lab is an oscilloscope, and I imagine that trying to do a lot without one would get very frustrating very quickly. So we're not talking sub-$50 range. But if the OP himself is interested in hobbyist electronics, then perhaps he could think of some of the more expensive purchases as "the family's" rather than just as "toys" for his son, in the same way that my dad had a toolbox that I used.

      Mindstorms and such are also very cool. I kind of want a set myself. ;-)

      Finally, a message to the OP himself: Stuff for tinkering is better than "science-themed gadgets." Mindstorms, capsela, electronics kits, and the like (even a QBASIC interpreter) spur creativity and are actually fun to play with (or, they were for me). Whereas I think that gadgets that demonstrate a particular physical effect end up being short-lived novelties more than anything else. And above all, expose him to lots of things: Erector sets, musical instruments, athletic equipment. See what sticks, and encourage whatever he likes.

    30. Re:"/."liza. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Yes, there will likely be some slight injury, but nothing that bad.

      Damn right. I still have a nice 40-year-old scar on the middle pinkie of my right hand where I touched my dad's freshly-used masonry drill bit when I was 6 years old. I didn't complain at the time because I knew I had been stupid. No biggie.

      I get so tired of this insistence that everybody should wrap up their precious offspring in cotton-wool.

    31. Re:"/."liza. by evanbd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah... good discipline is important. The subtle failures are even more annoying. For example, the base-emitter junction of a normal NPN transistor (2N3904, 2N2222, etc) makes a fine zener diode for voltage regulation circuits. But, as soon as you do that, you've permanently degraded the hfe of the transistor. Debugging that is a right pain.

    32. Re:"/."liza. by evanbd · · Score: 2, Informative

      In which case you're not using spring terminals either...

      And yeah, I don't much like trying to prototype with SMT either. Fortunately, prototype PCBs aren't too expensive. I've recently been looking into Stencils Unlimited for their prototype SMT products. I especially like the idea of their toaster oven reflow controller. I haven't tried it yet, but I intend to soon.

    33. Re:"/."liza. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      The one tool that is wonderful in an electronics lab is an oscilloscope

      ...and another, equally essential (if the kid doesn't already have one) is a multimeter.

      Last time I looked, these were fairly affordable.

    34. Re:"/."liza. by wykell · · Score: 1

      Also, better than having your son following in your footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based goys. But that's neither here, nor there.

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    35. Re:"/."liza. by krgallagher · · Score: 1
      "It's better than having your son following in your footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based boys."

      Let's see...

      So in biology class, when everyone else was opening frogs, he'd be opening flys.

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    36. Re:"/."liza. by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      I agree. I know parents that that are so concerned about safety they wont let their kids use a hammer or screwdriver. I was always smacking and gouging my hands as a youngster. Mom kept plenty of band aids on hand. Eventually you learn what not to do. No big deal.

    37. Re:"/."liza. by Grismar · · Score: 1

      Oh great, gay-hate modded Score:5, Funny.

      Way to go /.

    38. Re:"/."liza. by Brian.Kirby · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nobody said anything about hating anyone. I also think the post was funny.

    39. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then give them a battery powered soldering iron -- no, not cold heat; I have one, and love it for what it's good for, but you're much better off with a regular iron and no cold heat, than cold heat and no regular. Best is to have both.

      Anyway, for under $20 you can pick up a battery-powered low-wattage soldering iron that's quite suitable for most little tinkering stuff with electronics and electrics. (And downright necessary for some stuff; low-watt soldering irons aren't an underpowered safety cop-out, but a tool he will need anyway.)

    40. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SnapCircuits has a nice updated take on this...
      Easy to connect, computer interface, components come with circuit designation on them even!
      http://www.amazon.com/Snap-Circuits-Extreme-Electronics-Kit/dp/B0002AHQWS

    41. Re:"/."liza. by bXTr · · Score: 1

      The tip of the ColdHeat irons are huge, you aren't going to be able to solder any IC package with that.

      The packaged tip is a bit large for electronics work, but there are narrower tips available for the gun that are more appropriate. My point was if you're afraid of setting either yourself or your house on fire, it's harder to do with a ColdHeat than with a regular soldering iron.

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    42. Re:"/."liza. by evanbd · · Score: 1

      Heh, I have a breadboard with an... unusual, shall we say... scar on it. I had a prototype load cell amplifier built on it, connected to a PIC logging the data. The application? Thrust measurement on a small solid-propellant rocket test stand. Well, the forward closure on the casing wasn't as sturdy as it needed to be. It let go, the rest of the casing launched skyward (testing aft end up), and the propellant grains came flying out the back. One of them landed on the breadboard. It didn't take too long to get there with the fire extinguisher, but it was long enough to get the breadboard rather toasty. Impressively, the breadboard and both ICs are still functional (though the IA shows signs of corrosion). It still gets pressed into service occasionally when I'm short one...

    43. Re:"/."liza. by chartreuse · · Score: 1

      We were talking about you, not me.

      Pitch perfect!

    44. Re:"/."liza. by shadwstalkr · · Score: 1

      Mindstorms, capsela, electronics kits, and the like (even a QBASIC interpreter) spur creativity and are actually fun to play with (or, they were for me). Whereas I think that gadgets that demonstrate a particular physical effect end up being short-lived novelties more than anything else.

      Best of all, with the construction type sets he can create his own gadgets to demonstrate physical phenomena. Teach him how to record what happens in a log book, and now he's doing real science.

    45. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cuz every dad wants their son to be tough and computer nerds most of the time aint tough

    46. Re:"/."liza. by WhiteHorse-The+Origi · · Score: 1

      And better than him being interested in crack or computer games.

    47. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allow me to paraphrase.

      "At least your son isn't gay (because that would be a bad thing)". See what I'm getting at?

    48. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like my 13-year-old son is following in my footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based toys."

      It's better than having your son following in your footsteps and preferring interesting, science-based boys.

      Gay baiting. Nice.

    49. Re:"/."liza. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally homophobic. Grow up.

    50. Re:"/."liza. by toyotabedzrock · · Score: 1

      I find certain gay humor funny, but this is a distasteful one. Your comment promotes the idea that a parent shouldn't be happy with there child if he or she is gay. Imagine if you where a gay child and had a father that said to you, at least your not gay. Children who are gay and have to grow up in that atmosphere often have problems with confidence and self worth. It can and has lead to suicide.

  3. Right in front of you by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As I write this the ad under this topic is for the Dungeons and Dragons Starter Set.

    I think that should settle it.

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    1. Re:Right in front of you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...When will young people learn that Dungeons & Dragons won't make you cool?..."

    2. Re:Right in front of you by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Forget D shop around town at hobby stores for used 1980/90's era Star Wars Roleplaying books from West End Games (the D6 system rules). Cheap, plenty of books, and slightly more socially acceptable to talk about in public. Also, if you're in the need for Fluff, there's tons of novels, and I hear four new movies (or was it three and a TV show turned into a theater movie?).

    3. Re:Right in front of you by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      I used to have sex all the time when I was a D&D player. For example, one time I was down in a dungeon and an Orc came on to me REAL strong. And another time our adventure group got together in the Red Dragon Inn, ordered some pints and talked about where to pillage next. Next thing you know, armor is flying off and the whole room turns into a heaving mass of flesh having sex and there wasn't even a pudding creature in sight! That was the famous Red Dragon Inn orgy. Bar wenches everywhere. Maybe your dungeon master taunted you with it before?

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    4. Re:Right in front of you by biovoid · · Score: 1

      When will young people learn that trying to be cool is a futile and ultimately pointless endeavour?

    5. Re:Right in front of you by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Actually, while returning from watching "Role Models" on Friday, I mentioned to my wife that it's a lot less "uncool" to be a geek/nerd today than it was while I was in high school......I guess I'm just ahead of the curve (again).

      Layne

    6. Re:Right in front of you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In their late teens and early 20s, in my experience.

  4. Condoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you hate to admit it, live in denial.

    1. Re:Condoms by Sobrique · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just watch you don't get your feet wet. What with it being a river and all.

  5. Re:Fist pr0st by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FAIL POST

  6. your son is very unfortunate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but i'm sure there are things that come with their own stockings for $50/hour

    1. Re:your son is very unfortunate by BluBrick · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, for $50 per hour, they only seem to come with their own stockings - and you probably don't want your 13 year old son to have the "extras" he's likely to get at that rate.

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    2. Re:your son is very unfortunate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not sure where you are, but where I am $50 an hour gets you a clean pretty young lady

    3. Re:your son is very unfortunate by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      Thailand must be lovely this time of year...

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      Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure everything I just said is completely wrong.
    4. Re:your son is very unfortunate by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      It's unfortunate that, at the time of this posting, the next comment below this one is a new thread with the title "Same thing but for 7 year olds"

      I nearly did a spit-take.

    5. Re:your son is very unfortunate by WhiteHorse-The+Origi · · Score: 1

      Loy Kratong Loy Kratong!

  7. Same thing but for 7 year olds by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is a cluster of 7 year old siblings and cousins in my family, both boys and girls. I'd love to start a subtopic here on Christmas geek gifts available for this age group. One example: my son is asking for a Rock Polisher.

    1. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is a cluster of 7 year old siblings and cousins in my family, both boys and girls. I'd love to start a subtopic here on Christmas geek gifts available for this age group. One example: my son is asking for a Rock Polisher.

      But is a beowulf cluster?

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    2. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Smauler · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why not get him a baseball mit and just throw rocks at him? Best of both worlds! (if he's any good)

    3. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why is a duck?

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    4. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by scottrocket · · Score: 3, Funny

      I begged my parents for a rock tumbler, when I was 11-12. Biggest mistake they ever made, as we were all not serenaded to sleep by that incessant rumbling, coming from the utility room. But I still have pretty much every rock I tumbled, & will never get rid of them - what are memories worth (and the discipline to add the grits when needed)?

    5. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you guys talking about?

    6. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by m_frankie_h · · Score: 0

      Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?

    7. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by jadin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Around ages 7-12 one of my cherished possessions was a small magnet with a super kick. It was a magnet from a junk-yard / recycling center presumably designed to test for metals. It was about the size of a AA battery, give or take, but the magnet in it was one of the strongest I've seen for it's size. What made it fun was things like making paper clips move around on top of my desk using the magnet underneath, the other kids in school would figure it out pretty quick but still found it cool. I can't say how many years I had it, but I never tired of it, until it was lost. I've since tried to find a replacement but haven't seen anything similar online.

      So that'd be my suggestion, an insanely strong magnet that fits in your pocket.

    8. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by CheShACat · · Score: 1

      Because they don't

    9. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by kliklik · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was probably a Neodymium or a Rare-earth magnet. The primary geek source are old hard drives, but there are many places to buy them online.

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    10. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Which is closer, New York or by Train?

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    11. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by rizole · · Score: 1
      Why is a duck?

      Because one of it's legs is exactly the same of course!

      Sheesh! It's not rocket surgery!

    12. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      One example: my son is asking for a Rock Polisher.

      I hope you have a garage.

    13. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by stinkydog · · Score: 1

      Take apart some bad hard drives. The magnet that moves the read/write head is a powerful "rare earth" type magnet. I usually put a zip tie through one of the holes so I can get it off of the fridge. They also look good stuck to the cube wall (I usually hang a floppy labeled Important Data for the humorous touch.)

      SD

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    14. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      A rock polisher is cool so long as the kid doesn't expect the process to be quick- takes awhile.

    15. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by edremy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out United Nuclear for insanely powerful magnets. Some of them are rather over the top in that they can break bones if you're not careful about moving them, but they also have lots of the small ones.

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    16. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by JustNilt · · Score: 1

      What you describe sounds like a cow magnet to me. I also had some as a kid and they were, indeed, very cool. I've always been fascinated at the thought of their intended use, though.

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    17. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Deagol · · Score: 1

      Alnico "cow magnets" are loads of fun. Not nearly as strong as the rare-earth kind (less prone to pinch), but much more durable (not brittle) and they're fun as hell to mess around with. I acquired a pair of these while in grade school (traded a cool pencil box for them) and had a blast with them... until I stuck them on the underside of something and forgot where they were.

    18. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rock Polishers take time to run. One week? 4 weeks?

      Back when I was a kid, I was disappointed...

    19. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      I think he's a little young for Klingon mating rituals.

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    20. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a rock polisher when i was about 10. Was fun, but I got bored and forgot about it until I was a teen. Then I used it to mill chemicals into suitable form for making home made bottle rockets...

      Just be sure to teach your son safety. :)

      I have a daughter due any day now, my wife and I both hope she doesn't end up being an overly girly girl. But I think with nerds as parents she won't be.

    21. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but what is the difference between one duck?

    22. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wow, a beowulf cluster joke that got a Score:5, Funny.

      Well done!

    23. Re:Same thing but for 7 year olds by Mex · · Score: 1

      Are there any health risks associated with super strong magnets? (Besides the obvious "metal knives constantly travel fast towards you" thing)

      I mean about cancer or something like that. Does it affect cells or something?

  8. Arduino by mishley · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seems to me like you can do an awful lot with the Arduino platform. I recommend buying from the Make guys, as you'll also see that they've published a book recently with the Arduino developers/creators that maybe your kid would like as a follow-on? They are only $30.00 and the only requirement is a computer to plug the thing into for programming. I'm asking my wife for one :-). For project examples: http://www.instructables.com/tag/?q=arduino&limit%3Atype%3Aid=on&type%3Aid=on&type%3Auser=on&type%3Acomment=on&type%3Agroup=on&type%3AforumTopic=on&sort=none

    1. Re:Arduino by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      What are the benefits/limitations of an Arduino versus an FPGA?

      I recently started messing around with FPGAs, and have found them fascinatingly versatile and easy to program.

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    2. Re:Arduino by Malekin · · Score: 1

      What are the benefits/limitations of an Arduino versus an FPGA?

      The Ardino is far less powerful and less flexible. On the other hand, it comes with nice tools and has a popular community. Community means a lot, as it means sample code and people who will help you if you've got questions.

      The comparison is a bit apples and oranges because the Arduino is a board with regulator and other bits, while an FPGA is just a chip. There are a range of FPGA boards designed for experimenters, but few come as cheap as you can get the Arduino.

      Your familiarity with the languages can be a factor - the Arduino can be programmed by anyone with an understanding of C. Starting to play with FPGAs will require you to learn Verilog (or VHDL) and that can be either a positive or negative to you. I personally found that HDL starts off easy but can quickly become pain as your designs get more complicated and you have to start hunting down odd timing glitches. After a year of projects, I'm back on the FPGA kool-ade, though, and am looking forward to some SDR projects when I scrape the money together for a USRP2.

      There's basically no Mac tools for FPGA work, if that's your platform of choice. You'll have to emulate / virtualise to use the FPGA tools.

      The FPGA IDEs from the two big vendors suck serious balls. I'd assume the tools from smaller vendors are worse. I haven't tried Altium's FPGA tools, though.

      There's also somewhat of a halfway option in the Parallax Propeller, which is a multi-core microcontroller.

    3. Re:Arduino by virgil_disgr4ce · · Score: 1

      I'll wholeheartedly second the Arduino -- and not just because I'm an ITP grad student ;) I don't know what a good age range for it is, but is has the major advantages of teaching a wide range of concepts -- electricity, electronics, sensors, programming, computer communication / serial, etc etc etc., and the immediate positive feedback of "It works!" When you can hook up a potentiometer to a Processing sketch over serial and see the instant gratification of a graphic moving on-screen, it really encourages you to go further and further. I would have LOVED to have something like that as a kid! :D

    4. Re:Arduino by AndyboyH · · Score: 1

      And I'll third it.

      I got a freeduino (arduino clone) because I used to be into electronics at high school, and now ten years on, I can't remember which side of a LED symbol is positive and which is negative.

      I originally got it for a camera intervalvometer project, but my camera make requires more modding than I'm prepared to do to it to get it to work nicely. So instead, I've played with the arduino a lot. I made a sketch to scroll text on a nice LCD display shield I got on ebay. A week ago I got an ethernet shield, so I'm going to play with it on the network. Yesterday a 8x8 RGB LED matrix arrived that I'm going to have a lot of fun soldering up and playing with, and today I ordered a whole host of other stuff for it.
      It's so versatile, I'm even thinking of asking work to buy one so we can display the bug status of builds in a very visible way.

      It's cheap, clean, and fun to play around with, and the voltages it uses aren't liable to kill you/your son. But having made code and circuits that takes some commands on a PC to something in the real world blink, or move, or change is far cooler (imho) than any code I've ever written for web/apps. (ymmv)

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    5. Re:Arduino by sveiki_neliels · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Arduino (and microcontroller platforms in general) and FPGAs are completely different paradigms. Though many FPGAs come with pre-configured soft processors, programming an FPGA comes down to defining a hardware level description of a design. It's all fun and games when you play with schematic design, but without Verilog or VHDL, it is a complete waste. There are decent experimentation systems that have a plethora of features, but the second-year Computer Engineering students I TA have more than enough trouble using FPGAs for simple tasks (even with usable pre-designed IP cores).

      I think effectively using a microcontroller would be better suited to this age group. There are definitely levels of complexity you can add as time goes on. Many tools can allow almost drag-and-drop programmability for these devices, you will be able to use C, and when you want to learn more about processors, experience with a decent RISC assembly language will be useful if your son decides to pursue computer-related work later on in life. Combining the microcontroller with an electronics kit means even more uses it can be put to, and is a lot more fun.

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    6. Re:Arduino by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      Fourth it ;-)

      I have a real Arduino (used in my Drum Master project), as well as a couple of RBBB's, which are basically Arduino clones which fit on a breadboard - see http://moderndevice.com/RBBB_revB.shtml for details / ordering. Both Arduino and the various clones come highly recommended by me. (No association to Modern Device company, other than being a very happy customer).

      While I'm sure that FPGA's and other things can be more powerful, the simplicity and ease of use of Arduino and its IDE make it worthwhile for beginners, such as myself.

      Cheers

  9. How about a hydrogen powered RC car? by engravee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just looking at this tonight: Horizon fuel cell's hydrogen r/c car kit and retrofit for larger models... http://www.horizonfuelcell.com/store/h2go.htm As a kid I loved building my own R/C cars, this would have been amazing to have!

  10. ThinkGeek's marketing emails by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't want to say the s-word, but after I bought something from ThinkGeek, they started sending me marketing emails. I don't recall being presented with a choice about whether to opt in or out of marketing emails when I made the purchase. It was UCE (unsolicited commercial email), but you could argue that I had already established a commercial relationship with them. All I can say is that personally, if I buy from an online retailer and then they send me ads via email, my personal decision is not to do business with that retailer again. One very practical reason is that once they send me ads, I'm going to blacklist them in my email filter, and that would make it difficult to do business again. I'm not accusing ThinkGeek of being evil criminals with handlebar moustaches or anything, but it's just like any other business -- if I don't find it pleasant to buy from them, then they've lost my business.

    1. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up!

      I hate it when businesses do that. Sometimes they then go on to complain about how their newsletters are constantly being rejected as spam. Boohoo. Cry me a river.

      It's insulting and inept for companies to assume that just because I bought their widget I want to hear about everything, or anything, else they have to offer. It ticks me off every time one of those messages arrives, and every one reinforces my distaste for the company.

      For companies considering pissing people off with opt-out mailing, or no choice mailings, or with tiny hidden checkboxes on order forms asking me if "I'd like not to opt in to not opting out of not receiving a stream of marketing drivel," I'd like to point out two things: a) the Internet is big enough that you can be trivially replaced by another vendor; and b) go crawl under a rock and die.

    2. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, there's a little checkbox where you can disable emails about other products. I've bought plenty of things from ThinkGeek and I have never gotten an 'UCE'. Is pointing-and-clicking really that hard?

    3. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Opt-out sucks and well run companies rarely resort to using it.

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    4. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by amirulbahr · · Score: 1
      Is it so bad if a business that you have chosen to buy from in the past will try to maintain a relationship with you? I mean, seriously, you get a lot more real spam. Surely a fortnightly or monthly newsletter containing something that might mildly interest you is only a very minor inconvenience at worst.

      I agree that they should have an opt in or out at the time of initial contact.

    5. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by rm999 · · Score: 1

      More importantly, how was your buying experience with them? It takes me about 10 seconds to opt out of an e-mail list (and I would trust them to actually remove me if I asked), but speed of delivery, price, and quality of service actually make a difference to me.

      They have a pretty average rating here: http://www.resellerratings.com/store/ThinkGeek

    6. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd just like to add that I've been a customer of ThinkGeek's for over five years, and I have never received any unsolicited email from them.

    7. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 1

      ...asking me if "I'd like not to opt in to not opting out of not receiving a stream of marketing drivel,"

      That's easy. Whatever state the checkbox was in to begin with, is the one you don't want.

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    8. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by gnapster · · Score: 1

      Be that as it may, bcrowell says, "I don't recall being presented with a choice about whether to opt in or out of marketing emails when I made the purchase." Either he missed the check box or the AC doesn't know what they are talking about. Opt-out is far better than not providing an option.

    9. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by LMacG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IIRC, you can't make a purchase without setting up an account. On the account setup page is a pretty clear description of their hatred of spam, a link to their privacy policy, and a drop down box in which you can select whether or not you want the newsletter. They lose some points for having it default to YES, but it's not like they tried to hide it either.

      And if you're creating an account on any website without checking carefully for defaulted opt-ins, then you have to turn in your geek card.

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    10. Re:ThinkGeek's marketing emails by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      I regularly (monthly?) receive snail mail from them after buying a product from them. About 25 pages ready for the trash can. Only problem is, I never remember opting in or out of mailing lists. Some sign-ups require you to opt in (tieing it into their "I have read..."), and because of those I normally expect junk mail (especially e-mail).

      Businesses need a clue that they piss off more customers than they "make".

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  11. nothing teaches physics... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...like a rifle.

    seriously. it's how I learned that kinetic energy varies directly to 1/2 the mass and to the square of the velocity.

    and how rabbits deal with sucking chest wounds and uncompensated hypovolemic shock.

    dealing with sights and optics taught me about angles in degrees and minutes-of-angle and how they work with customay measurements and created triangles of horizontal trajectories. (there's mils for the same thing in metric).

    dealing with virticle trajectory taught me about objects falling toward the center of the earth at 1/2 gravity x (time squared) no matter how fast they are going. and how quadrant is measured to compensate for various co-efficient's of drag and velocities/grains of bullets.

    plus all the responsibility, maintenance, cleaning, and stuff. it was probably the best thing I got at 13. it sparked my interest in science and showed me how physics and math is integral in EVERYTHING you do.

    1. Re:nothing teaches physics... by MostAwesomeDude · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice nick. :3

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    2. Re:nothing teaches physics... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 3, Funny
      +5 funny???

      I'm totally serious.

    3. Re:nothing teaches physics... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well... see... um... you do go by the name "Ghandi"... ?

    4. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dealing with virticle trajectory

      Too bad nobody bought you a rifle with a spellchecker.

    5. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Verteiron · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, he goes by Ghandi 2. As in, no more Mr. Passive Resistance.

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    6. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He goes by "Gandhi", you fucking illiterate.

    7. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next Week on U-62

      Ghandi 2

    8. Re:nothing teaches physics... by SuperElectric · · Score: 1

      I think "gandhi_2" is a reference to the part in UHF showing a trailer for "Gandhi 2", where Ghandi goes around kicking over tables and shooting off machine guns. "No More Passive Resistance!"

    9. Re:nothing teaches physics... by nitin.sahai · · Score: 0

      sorry for nitpicking but it's Gandhi not Ghandi.

    10. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ghandi advocated the right to own guns.

    11. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame you were too busy shootin' to learn any spellin' there, Cletus.

    12. Re:nothing teaches physics... by kqc7011 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then get them started in reloading. Lots more science.

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    13. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Informative

      I second the rifle motion. I'm still amazed at the differential equations that are involved with external ballistics. Did you know that scientists have yet to develop 'closed form' equations for bullet flight? They have excellent approximations, but the formulas rely on empirical measurements of the bullet flight to derive so-called 'ballistic coefficients' for different velocity subranges for each bullet weight and shape. Sierra Bullets has a wonderful section of the equations of flight in their reloading manual that they have released on the web. I recommend it highly to anyone with a mathematics background - check out the 4th edition information starting with section 6.0

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    14. Re:nothing teaches physics... by viridari · · Score: 1

      +1

      Once kids show a certain maturity level to be able to follow the rules and understand when it's time to be serious and not goof around, it's time to teach them how to shoot a gun.

      Just get one now before the new president is sworn in and takes them all away like he tried to do in Illinois.

    15. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      math is integral

      HA!

    16. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      He's back. And this time, he's mad. No more Mr. passive resistance.

    17. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I shot a rifle often as a kid and didn't learn anything nerdy like you two. I guess because electronics were always more my thing. One thing I did learn is safety. It drive me nuts when the actors playing cops on TV mishandle a gun. I remember one show where a guy hands over his gun and badge. He just sets the loaded gun on the desk pointed at his supervisor's chest and the supervisor doesn't seem to even notice.

    18. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's one bad motha you DON'T want to mess with!

    19. Re:nothing teaches physics... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. Safety is clearly lesson #0 when I invite anyone over to shoot. I don't care how long they've been shooting - they get firearm safety 101 from me (and learn my range rules) or they don't shoot at my place.

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  12. How about building/deconstructing? by dacut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As much as I like ThinkGeek, their selection is limited to gadgets. I found that assembling and -- to my parents dismay -- disassembling things are what really grabbed my interest.

    I would take a look at the various kits from American Science & Surplus. There are a number of other sites (e.g., Carl's Electronics) which have even more kits, but I haven't ordered from them so I can't say whether they're worthwhile or not. (These days, most of my toys come from DigiKey, and not in kit form.)

    1. Re:How about building/deconstructing? by evanbd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously. The most interesting thing isn't the gadgets, it's the parts with which to make gadgets. You canget a couple hundred resistors and transistors, some op amps, a few buttons, LEDs, a microcontroller or five, and a breadboard and not go much over the $50 budget.

    2. Re:How about building/deconstructing? by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, build something with a 555.

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    3. Re:How about building/deconstructing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with dacut about this. A true gadget geek enjoys the discovery of how it works more than just the gadget itself. I would recommend a stirling engine kit. You can find a few online for $50 or less. I would also like to suggest a microscope or possibly a Theremin kit.

    4. Re:How about building/deconstructing? by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      I'll second AS&S and Digi-Key both. Digi-Key was founded by a ham radio kit builder (Dr. Stordahl is still active in the hobby, in fact) and even though they're a huge company now, their customer service is still great, even for hobbyists.

      The Levitron, by the way, was fun for about 10 minutes. That was 10 minutes after the hour of fiddling with it to make it work, and before I got tired of having to constantly readjust it to KEEP it working.

      My own son is almost 13, and he's gotten a lot of use out of his Lego Mindstorms kit. Lately he's been into pure software, though - he's gotten pretty good at Scratch, and I'm working on getting him to make the transition to Java. Not my favorite language, but it seems to be the best option for the sort of stuff he wants to do.

    5. Re:How about building/deconstructing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dangerous thing about American Science and Surplus is that they are local for me, and going in there with my kids is truly an adventure. They (like me many years ago) want just about everyhting even when you don't really know what it is. It's not quite as wild and wooly as years ago, but there are still some items that no one there knows what they are. They also used to have a bin by the door with freebies. go sciplus.com

  13. Geomag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's not cheap, but these are pretty intense toys. You learn a lot about magnetics, geometry, structure, and much much more. By far the best toy I've ever seen. You need a lot of them. Good for all ages. And much stronger and safer than the inferior knockoff brands (like Magnetix).

    Don't get all the random panels and stuff; just balls and rods.

    You'll be amazed by what some people have built from these things. How tall a tower can you build? How long of an unsupported span? Etc.

    1. Re:Geomag by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      The link?

  14. United nuclear by bgalehouse · · Score: 5, Informative

    Assuming sufficient and sufficiently geeky parental involvement, there are lots of cool things from United Nuclear. http://www.unitednuclear.com/

    A collection of the smaller magnets and some ferrofluid are a pretty good combination. Ferrofluid has aproximatly the same danger and potential for mess as old engine oil, so depending on the kid you might need to supervise it. A variety of magnets also add variety to a ROMP set. http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp?eid=EID02&pn=3082172

    You might also try throwing some mechanical puzzles at him. One that I particularly like can be found at http://stores.brilliantpuzzles.com/-strse-212/Internal-Combustion-Metal-Puzzle/Detail.bok but there are many.

    1. Re:United nuclear by suggsjc · · Score: 1

      there are lots of cool things from United Nuclear

      Give the gift that keeps on giving...radiation poisoning.

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  15. helicopter by PineGreen · · Score: 1

    Buy him one of those $30 helicopters with 3 channels. It is quite clever to really understand what make it spin one way or another, the role of trimmer and conservation of angular momentum. Be prepared to waste lots of money on batteries, though.

    1. Re:helicopter by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      I have a couple of those helicopters, and my $50-60 investment in a universal (AAA,AA,C,D & 9v) Ni-Cd/Ni-MH smart charger plus 20 AA NiMH (weight doesn't matter in the remotes, and the onboard battery is a LiPo) has been WELL worth it. Especially now that I have built up a stock of rechargeables of every battery type. But the AA's alone are multipurpose enough to be totally worth the investment.

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    2. Re:helicopter by TheBig1 · · Score: 1
      Slightly off topic - what charger are you using? I am looking for a good smart charger, but am finding it hard to find a good model from all the junk out there.

      Some of my requirements are:
      • Separate channels for each battery (some of my devices use 3 batteries, which cannot be charged in a charger with two batteries per channel).
      • Smart charging, preferably using dT/dt method or something equivalent

      Nice to have features are:

      • Manual amperage settings (default to low power slow charge, but can boost higher if you need the batteries finished quickly)
      • 9v charging
      • Battery Conditioning (charge / discarge cycles; apparently can give new life to old batteries, if the marketing can be believed).

      The closest I have seen so far seems to be the LaCrosse BC-900, with favourable reviews, but any other suggestions would be most welcome.

      Cheers

  16. The Stick by icyandunapproachable · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It's very open-ended, all-natural, the perfect price -- there aren't any rules or instructions for its use," said Christopher Bensch, the museum's curator of collections. I'm willing to bet that a greener toy doesn't exist.

  17. Make Magazine by xhamulnazgul · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I was that age, which was about 10 years ago, I built my first computer. I was also tinkering with the infamous 'bread board' circuit test beds and random resistors and chips that I could get my hands on.

    I would have loved to have a subscription to something so amazing as the Make Magazine at that time. It has some amazing bits in it about almost anything that I could ever have wanted to do or make. Besides that, it would have allowed me to find out about some crazier things to do in your own kitchen or garage to make something fun long before I would have played with it at school or college.

    All in all, I can't recommend Make Magazine highly enough.

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    1. Re:Make Magazine by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

      i second this motion. Make Magazine is a great idea. Also take a look at Maker's Shed (it's their store) for some neat purchases as well.

    2. Re:Make Magazine by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      I'll third that, if you want to give him something "now" there are volumes available with annual four issue bundles. At thirteen, any good reading material the covers a variety of subjects (above kid stuff) is a good present (to let him/her 'taste' different things to figure out what they like...) yeah, Make is excellent for hardware, though not for software as much. An old PC w/Linux along with one of those Linux Bible books may be good way to let them try out various software concepts.

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  18. Lego Mindstorms by Cyko_01 · · Score: 4, Informative

    it is a great way to get creative and it teaches basic programming skills

    1. Re:Lego Mindstorms by Fourpole · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll second this. It will run you more than 50 bucks but for a geeky toy it is pretty hard to beat. Making your own original machines can be challenging enough that you can get involved in helping out too.

    2. Re:Lego Mindstorms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is relevant, because obviously just like the kids that try to learn basic programming with Mindstorm, you also had little or no previous programming experience?

  19. Overly complicated? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 0, Troll

    A 13 year old boy... it doesn't matter if he is geeking or not, 13 year old is THE perfect age for some good wholesome porn.

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    1. Re:Overly complicated? by rob1980 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but half the fun of obtaining porn at the age of 13 is doing it behind your parents' backs. Getting it in your Christmas stocking takes the fun out of it!

    2. Re:Overly complicated? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nothing takes the fun out of porn.

    3. Re:Overly complicated? by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it also might be illegal.

    4. Re:Overly complicated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good old KIRT Cobain. Shame he offed himself, really.

    5. Re:Overly complicated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If really is illegal then I weep for America.

      Get out of my fucking business, you damn religious nuts.

  20. The classics... by cgenman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Model rockets are still pretty amazing, and pretty cheap. Just keep the engines until you're ready to use them. I would have killed for a radio controlled helicopter as a kid, and they're darned affordable these days.

    For video games, Mindrover is still a programming and logic classic.

    1. Re:The classics... by Wakkow · · Score: 1

      Model rockets are awesome.  Just check your local laws to see if they're allowed.  I'm in Southern California and it's hard to launch them legally.  Although, if it's not legal and you still want to try, just be sure to find a safe place to launch.

      Also, the parent mentioned keeping the engines until ready to use them.  I was into model rockets around that age and though I was tempted to launch one on the ground by itself, I wasn't stupid enough to try.  Hopefully your kid is mature enough to think the same.

    2. Re:The classics... by shadowturtle · · Score: 1

      I agree about the model rockets. I spent a ton of time as a kid with them. It was relatively simple, but it was still fun to build one from a kit then shoot it off. I never bought it, but there was even one that went up a little bit then dropped an egg from that height.

    3. Re:The classics... by interiot · · Score: 2, Informative

      RC planes are cheaper than helicopters, and simpler too. You get to play with servos and RF, and once you get the thing up in the air, you learn about control surfaces and stalling real quick. Plus, they've got the power-to-weight to do things helicopters can't do (if you have enough time to practice).

    4. Re:The classics... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Plus, they've got the power-to-weight to do things helicopters can't do

      Guess you've never seen Alan Szabo. A big RC helicopter has a pretty high power to weight ratio. Yeah, so does a foamie, but that's to be expected when it weighs almost nothing in the first place. I'll give you that they are a hell of a lot cheaper, not just in set-up, but also when it comes to crashes and maintenance, not to mention safer, which makes a foamie a much better choice as a way to get into the RC aircraft world.

    5. Re:The classics... by crsemery · · Score: 1

      For younger kids, you may want to consider a hydrogen rocket (http://www.ehobbies.com/est1876.html?utm_source=est1876&utm_medium=shopping%2Bengine&utm_campaign=froogle). Less expensive than hobbie rocket engine replacement, a bit less dangerous (especially if you have younger kids) and fuels some great discussions about power and energy (pun intended :P).

    6. Re:The classics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My parents got me a couple of rockets for Christmas when I was 13. I put them together and then they never got around to taking me to actually fire them anywhere. Don't forget to follow through with whatever you do.

    7. Re:The classics... by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      We have one. It is a very cool toy that works well.

  21. Toolbox and Building Materials by foo+fighter · · Score: 1

    This is super-super easy. I'm trying to avoid ad-hominem attacks on your geekiness.

    Electronics Kit.

    or

    Chemistry Kit.

    or

    Toolbox full of basic carpentry and mechanic hand-tools.

    Plus cold-hard cash for materials and an equivalent donation to his college fund if you are a relative and not the parents.

    A college-level physics, chemistry, or engineering 101 type book could be inspirational too.

    Don't forget lots and lots and lots of one-on-one time working together. Best gift my parents ever gave me.

    Since you are a geek, and I'm lazy, I'll let you do the googling instead of linking to specific kits and advice.

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  22. a couple of ideas..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -A USB key for his p0rn (you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he will discover it).

    -get all the relatives to buy various pieces of Lego Mindstorm for him

    -RF scanner (hours of entertainment to keep him away from p0rn)

    -$50 gift card for MicroCenter/Frys, let him get what he wants.

  23. Despite the increase in technical toys in the US, by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

    the very best mechanical- and engineering-oriented building sets are still Fischer Technik (sometimes spelled here with no space). Made in Germany for decades, and still being made with new kits updated all the time, Herr Fischer designed the best engineering building blocks on the market today. They are still being made, and are often used by universities for mechanical and computer engineering projects.

    These kits make Lego Technics and Erector building sets -- even the new ones -- look like, well, child's play. But they are not cheap.

    You can often find used Fischer Technik kits on ebay, some of them 30 years old, for sale at a good price. Even at 30, if they are not abused they are quite usable. (I know, because I bought some and use them.) Unlike some other building sets, there is no shortage of replacement or add-on parts.

    There are sets that go from basic building, like bridges and little toy push cars, to electric motors and pneumatic controls (compressor, air tank, air pistons, etc.!), R/C vehicles, and all the way up to computer control with feedback. The main direct-buy sites in the U.S. are: http://www.fischertechnik.com/ and http://www.studica.com/Fischertechnik/ but don't forget to look on eBay.

    You will not be disappointed by the quality.

    AND... you might also enjoy this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw

  24. Build his own by dyingtolive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know if Radio Shack still sells them, but back in the day before they started pushing cell phones, they were an electronics store, and sold howto booklets and kits for building relatively simple hobbiest electronics. I remember my dad got me one that showed how to build an infrared transmitter/decoder. I won my eighth grade science fair with it showing that it was possible to transmit radio signal through infrared light and convert it back to audio. I think the hillbillies in the town I grew up in might have thought me to be a wizard Anyway, back to the point. It was one of the cooler things I'd ever gotten as far as gadgets come, because it required me to understand how it worked. Simpler projects (if you don't think a 13 year old should be soldering) might include a roll your own AM radio.

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    1. Re:Build his own by dacut · · Score: 1

      Radio Shack isn't the same anymore. I did spend a fair amount of time there in the 80s, getting the bits together to put together crystal radios and the like. Sadly, many of their stores don't even carry the supplies to build a crystal radio any longer; it's all consumer throw away gadgets now. (Yes, I'm getting old, and you kids better get off my lawn... :-)

      You can order some of those kits from their catalog, but you might as well go with AS&S or another webstore. They're usually cheaper and have a bigger selection.

  25. my stuff by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was a kid I enjoyed the Radio Shack electronics kits. I have not seen them recently, but they can be built rather easily with a piece of thin plywood and a bunch of nuts and bolts, plus the actual electronics which can be culled from scrap equipment. There are ample schematics on the web for building anything from simple radios to logic gates to metal detectors. Once they've been prototyped on the kit they can be built for a few dollars worth.

    If you want to go the programming route, there are a few cheap boards out there. They're not very powerful, but good enough to run Linux, serve web pages, control lights, etc.. At 13 he's old enough to learn programming too :D

  26. Electronics kits by plover · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I was a kid I loved my 50-in-One Electronics Kit from Rat Shack. They still make some kits: Electronics Learning Lab although I don't know if a 13-year-old would care as much as a 10-year-old.

    Here's their kit category: http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032398

    I see they have one that also includes a Basic Stamp. Or maybe it would better complement an Arduino.

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    1. Re:Electronics kits by j_kenpo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm 30, and I still love my 300 in 1 Electronics Kit I bought from Radio shack like 10 years ago. Bought it because it had a breadboard with basic power inputs so I could use it on other prototypes and easy to assemble external pieces like switches. Been using it again recently to build schematics I find off of various sites online. They have more basic kits that have snap in components. Don't know about these kids, but I would have loved one of those at 13 since I was already soldering and wire wrapping basic circuits.

    2. Re:Electronics kits by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      The old 150 in 1 kit from the 1970's had a great feature. If you lift out the paperboard carrier that the electronics and springs are mounted on, you find that there's a space underneath the board which is just big enough to hide a couple Hustler magazines. My parents found all my other pron, but they never found the ones I hid in there. Damn I loved that electronics kit.

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    3. Re:Electronics kits by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I had one of those! The one in the wooden box, right? I'd love to get hold of the manual. Mine disappeared. Somewhere between the 50-in-one and the 200-in-One black "attache case" kit they stopped really explaining how the circuits worked. Back then I was too young to know (or care) what forward biassing a transister meant, but now...

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    4. Re:Electronics kits by runstopwire · · Score: 1

      They're still made by Ramsey Electronics (www.ramseyelectronics.com). Look under Learning Kits.

    5. Re:Electronics kits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those radio shack kits are as valuable for their instruction booklets as they are for the actual kit. I learned everything I needed to know about digital ciruits from the booklet that came with that 50-in-One kit.

  27. Cheap magnets by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you have a ton of old hard drives laying around, break out the torx drivers and extract the magnets. The mirror-like surface of the platter is interesting, too.

  28. RC aircraft by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    Physics, electronics, aerodynamics, all rolled into one.

    or all the parts to build something from scitoys.com.

    or, a basic set of hand tools, and the proper dad instruction on how to use them and build things.

    My son, at age 9, found the plans for a basic platform hovercraft online.
    "Ok, dude...here's the circular saw and a tape measure, let's go".

  29. Does anyone even read the post these days? by spoco2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bloody hell, do people actually READ the post before commenting? First someone posted a $150 item when he CLEARLY asked for sub $50 ones, and now this! A suggestion for a laser pointer where he said "For example, a small laser pointer keychain I bought him a couple of years ago still provides tons of entertainment. "

    *sigh*

    1. Re:Does anyone even read the post these days? by biovoid · · Score: 1

      For example, a small laser pointer keychain I bought him a couple of years ago still provides tons of entertainment.

      Buy him a mirror. Then he'll be endlessly entertained just by trying to feel his way around.

    2. Re:Does anyone even read the post these days? by RichiH · · Score: 1

      Maybe the suggestion was to get a bigger laser pointer? ;)

    3. Re:Does anyone even read the post these days? by Syberz · · Score: 1

      Bloody hell, do people actually READ the post before commenting?

      Hmmm... you must be new here.

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    4. Re:Does anyone even read the post these days? by spoco2 · · Score: 1

      I knew people didn't read the article, but at least the summary... come on!

  30. I should add by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    that the fischertechnik.com website is not exactly friendly to navigate. Try "products" under "Site Contents", then the subcategories in the bar along the top.

  31. Personal experience... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The way that you have described your child is about how I would have been described as a young lad. Since you asked...

    I was given an erector set, had my parents understood, my use of it would have called for additions to it, but we didn't do things like that much back then. I have found that Lego technic and Mindstorms/robotics sets would have totally caught my attention back then.

    In lieu of those, the old Radio Shack electronics experiments kits were 1000s of hours of fun. I did not then fully understand how a radio transmitter worked, but I did understand that it was possible to make one, they were not magic, and the components were not expensive nor complex things. A rudimentary understanding of logic and electronics formed then. It's all like a puzzle. Puzzle solving has rules so all you need to know is the rules and get some practice.

    I was also the kid that took everything apart as soon as I got it so I would understand how it worked.

    Looking back, anything that helps your kid understand how stuff works is probably a really good bet. Much of what I worked with allowed me to discover things about mechanical motions, electronics, physics, and math... even though I did not understand that is what I was doing at the time.

    Magnets, magnifying glasses, telescopes, and some guidance to understand them faster than just playing around and waiting for school will teach him is the best bet.

    In this day and age, you might want to let him help you put a computer together, explaining what he is curious about. No time like the present to start him off on that path.

    Basically, everything has an explanation. Explain everything he asks about. I remember at the age of 5 asking why traffic lights had shades over them, then answering my question before he could tell me. For anyone that is inquisitive, explanations are as good as anything else can be, especially if you follow up with tools and toys that help him to build on that knowledge.

    I've seen toys that allow you to build things like a double helix strand of DNA etc. but without explanation they are puzzles without rules, and those are no good as you can't understand how to play the game.

    There is nothing stopping a child from designing a hybrid engine except knowledge and practice. I find that the Lego robotics kits mixed with technic parts allows you to experience hands-on a lot of mechanical systems, and how they produce motions. Not to sell Lego strongly but there are lots of opportunities there. You can build working engines, cranes, there are even ackerman steering parts. They have a lot of specialty parts that give you a lot of room to play and learn. There is eBay and bricklink for finding parts without having to buy whole sets, so support for continued use/learning is good.

    If you can explain magnetism to him, you're probably going to be a very good teacher. That one is tough for people at any age. There is invisible stuff that just works... it's like magic.

    1. Re:Personal experience... by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      Damn, forgot to mention, Google for Lego robot and you can see some of what is possible. There are Lego robotic systems that actually solve Rubik's cube, a full sized pinball game, functioning legal mail stamping maching and tons of others. There are tons of inventive Lego artists using the Mindstorms/robotics kits to build huge awesome things. If you like things that do nothing, but do it well with class, try searching for the Great Ball Contraption. It will give you ideas on how you can build mechanisms with Lego. The Robotics sets are programmable, with the GUI type programming, or you can roll your own with NotQuiteC (NQC) or the Java variants etc. Lots of wiggle room on all sides of it.

    2. Re:Personal experience... by SpacePunk · · Score: 1

      Erector sets were fantastic back in the day. I still have mine, all those sharp edges made me carefull around stuff made of metal that had sharp edges.

  32. The mind boggles. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    We don't ask that you read the articles but what kind of drooling idiot can't even get to the end of the summary before being overwhelmed by a feverish desire to post something, anything, on Slashdot ?

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  33. Warning: NSFW link! by _merlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just clicked that link at work! You could have warned me at least!

    1. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sry

    2. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I just clicked that link at work! You could have warned me at least!

      Please clean out your desk.

      -The Management

    3. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by foo+fighter · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It wouldn't have been funny if he'd have warned you.

      What are you doing on /. if you work policies are that strict?

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    4. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by foo+fighter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about a subscription to Make or Craft, backed by your commitment of time and money towards a project per issue?

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    5. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by centuren · · Score: 1, Funny

      In my time in the work place, messages signed "The Management" (even when there is only 2 managers) have always been present. It's never been a firing, more like "clean up in the kitchen area, we're not your mom. - The Management." I was always quick to point to my job description, which was countered by coy threats of re-evaluating my job description (with no follow up). "The Management" looms, even if only with good intent.

      That said, no link on /. is ever safe to follow, duh. Or did you miss this part of Internet history?

    6. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. What about the thinkgeek links are NSFW? The fact that they have stuff to buy on them? I'm not seeing any kind of inappropriate material on them. Maybe you got an unlucky ad?

    7. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 1

      Gah, I am a fool. Sorry, I didn't realize that post was a response to a hidden -1 post. Sometimes I am happy I browse as 0+, sometimes I end up confused for no reason.

    8. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by sveiki_neliels · · Score: 1

      Great idea. I don't know much about Craft, but Make always has a good breadth of ideas ranging in complexity and use. It's also a good tool for teaching the adaptability of technology and sustainability. Just don't tell them that part. As subscriptions are not monthly, committing to a project per issue is not onerous.

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    9. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by mikedeanklein · · Score: 1

      I think they were referring to a "Slave Leia" starwars poster on thinkgeek's home page.

    10. Re:Warning: NSFW link! by Nesman64 · · Score: 1

      Click the "Parent" button on the post that complains about NSFW link. It takes you to the post that he's replying to.

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  34. Levitating Globe by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    On the same theme as the Levitron is the Levitating Globes. Small ones are $40.

    1. Re:Levitating Globe by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 1

      A little more, but so much cooler. Levitating Globe

  35. Seek medical attention by Rix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Budding is not a natural process, even for the loneliest geek.

  36. Cool Science Stuff by Phat_Tony · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Mirage optical illusion is pretty amazing. I have it, and a Levitron, and while they're both really amazing for a while, there's not a lot of stuff to keep doing with them.

    Those electronics kits from Radio Shack and other places with the resistors, diodes, etc and little springs and wires to use for breadboarding are pretty cool and educational. If he actually digs into those, it's pretty cheap to buy a real breadboard and a power supply and a bunch of real components and he can start making real stuff. If he graduates beyond the lessons in the book that comes with the electronics kit, pick him up a copy of Horowitz and Hill's The Art of Electronics, and let him get started with real stuff.

    I think they're over your price range, but Lego Mindstorms are great.

    You can always get him started with elementary computer programming. If "real" languages seem too challenging, HyperCard is great for starting programming, especially since pretty soon you start to find stuff you want to do but can't, and then find out that HyperTalk is a real programming language that you can start adding in piecemeal to your project, gradually learning programming.

    If there are local scout troops, building and racing Pinewood Derby cars can be great if you get serious about going for either style or speed.

    A basic model rocketry kit can be fun. It's cool to see it launch.

    There are lots of cool science related toys/kits/gadgets here.

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    1. Re:Cool Science Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hypercard?? Which decade does this post come from? There may be good replacements for hypercard available now but hypercard itself is long dead.

  37. Warhammer 40k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get him Chaos space marines and let him assemble, and paint them, and read the chapters.

    He will be better off for it!

    Blood for the blood god!

  38. Board Games by CubeDude213 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know board games don't leap to mind, but check out some of the recent German games.

    (I assume you can google these. Trust me, it's worth it)

    Settlers of Catan
    Carcassonne
    Ticket to Ride (extra points for spotting the mistake in the game)
    Puerto Rico
    San Juan


    Yes, these are just games, but they also aren't the garden variety he-with-the-best-luck-wins type of games. Settlers, a little bit, but the rest are intense strategy games. You may not be learning math or physics, but there's just as much value in reading people, long-term planning and anticipating others' actions. Sure, these aren't as tangible, but they're also real-world skills.

    I know you've already been through ThinkGeek, but the Cuboro marble sets, if they still have them, continue to fascinate me.

    Oh, and magnets. Magnets rock.

    One more thing: Old cameras. If he likes to take stuff apart and put it back together, plus learn about optics and light, buy him an old film camera. Look up Canon AE-1 on eBay. Add in a few cheap lens and he'll be able to dissect the camera and examine all the lenses, mirrors, gears and everything. Easily under $50.

    1. Re:Board Games by RichiH · · Score: 1

      Owning all of these except Ticket to Ride, I suggest you don't buy Settlers. It may have started the whole thing, but it's younger siblings are simply better. Especially Puerto Rico & San Juan as they are made in a way that will ensure all people will play all the time. With Settlers, you can have extended waiting periods.

      If you are going to get just two, get Carcassonne (best of the lot) and San Juan (vastly different game mechanics, uses only playing cards so it's highly portable & mobile).

      But as we are talking a 13 yo, I suggest you also look at Niagara ( http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/13308 ) along with the expansion and Ubongo http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/16986 .
      You probably want to modify the rules of Niagara to disallow stealing (try both with and without and you will know why). And you don't want to show the kid the Ubongo Extreme! variant with the hexagons any time soon.

      Mentioning Cluedo, Risk & Trivial Pursuit for completeness.

    2. Re:Board Games by RichiH · · Score: 1

      Oh and if you look at the docs of Puerto Rico & San Juan, you know what _good_ docs look like. Small, concise, only one corner case which is not covered explicitly (but implicitly). And they put PDFs on their website so you can print out new buildings for Puerto Rico instead of selling you an expansion. How cool is that?

    3. Re:Board Games by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Look up Canon AE-1 on eBay. Add in a few cheap lens and he'll be able to dissect the camera and examine all the lenses, mirrors, gears and everything. Easily under $50.

      *shudder*
      Please don't. Those cameras rock, and are already rare enough. Anyways, they're semi-automatics. If you have to have a child take apart a real camera to teach them optics, use a mechanical one.
      Preferably one that's useless for taking real pictures and don't have any collector's value.

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  39. Try Gizmodo.com by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Tons of geek toys at Gizmodo.com. I'll have one of each.

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  40. An expensive broken machine, plus a screwdriver! by gustep12 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I enjoyed two particular things a lot. The first one was any kind of experimentation kit, i.e. for building simple electronic circuits, or a chemistry experimentation set, etc.

    However, the other thing that was really a lot of fun and very instructional is being given something valuable that just happens to be broken - but hey, I could fix it after I learned enough about how it works! A good example might be an video projector (be careful with the high voltage and temperature), a cleaning robot that broke down, or any other high tech gadget that cost a fortune yesterday but is only modestly valuable now.

    Another suggestion that's cool is to wire up your pet, i.e. with the CAT-CAM (battery operated mini digital camera that snaps one photo every minute and documents where your cat roams), or maybe GPS tracking for your cat or dog. The hardware to do this should be quite cheap now, i.e. just buy a small battery-operated GPS logger on ebay.

    Last suggestion: Go to Fry's and buy the toy you would like most, then give it to your kid.

  41. tesla coil by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

    Nothing says love like using an enormous amount of electricity to wirelessly light a flourescent bulb

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  42. KOSMOS Web Shop by gustep12 · · Score: 1
    This is my favorite:

    http://www.kosmos-shop.de/Shop/Kosmos/index.cfm

    - Chemistry
    - Electronics
    - Physics
    - Microscopy
    - Crystal Growth

    Sadly, they all are a bit expensive.

  43. Microscope? Logic board? by shbazjinkens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A microscope was my most beloved science toy when I was young. The low cost ones aren't lab-grade, but they work.

    At age 13, the kid is starting to get old enough to do more than just play with gizmos - maybe it's time to start making them? I was building radio-shack springboard circuits when I was younger than that. Maybe an Arduino board would be appropriate - nobody has to know how to program to use it because there are lots of projects online, but it's a great way to get started tinkering with a hands-on implementation of code! I have a boarduino from Lady Ada. It's only about $25, that should leave you some extra $$ to spend on a breadboard, wire and maybe some other parts.

  44. Diamagnetic Levitation by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 1
  45. Simple... by Commander+Doofus · · Score: 3, Informative

    just consult this.

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  46. This is a bit expensive but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not build a reprap (http://www.reprap.org) as a joint project? It's a 3d printer that can print 60% of its own parts. Version 2.0 Mendel will also print metal as well as plastic and will be capable of printing circuit boards. I'm sure it's a more interesting project than a lot of the little electronics kits but putting it together will teach a lot more than those kits as well.

  47. Electric Guitar by Kallahan · · Score: 1

    I know it breaks the budget, but an electric guitar and amp is a dream for geeks. You can build most effects pedals as they are not all that complicated, there's the music element, the chicks, the drugs. plus you get to rock out. Honestly I learned as much about electronics from playing guitar and building effects pedals as I did building robots in FIRST Robotics competitions. http://www.smallbearelec.com/home.html has all the appropriate links.

    1. Re:Electric Guitar by fprintf · · Score: 1

      I play the guitar and he has expressed interest in learning that also... though only when I put it on full distortion and suggest he run the pick up and down the wound strings. Regardless, some of his interest in cool toys is a benefit to me - I get to look at the stuff that I want!

      So, to that end, the link you shared is awesome. I just wasted 15 minutes looking through it, and it appears that building a few stompboxes may be in our future. Neither of us knows soldering or electronics that well, so it will be an interesting learning experience!

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  48. I want one of those *points* by hack++slash · · Score: 1

    If UKers are looking for similar ideas, http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/ has a myriad of sciency toys, and stupid stuff you know is completely stupid but you still want it anyway.

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  49. It's not like the old days by SpacePunk · · Score: 1

    I'd like to say a Mr. Wizard Chemistry Set, but those are impossible to find, and I'm not giving up mine.

    I was looking at the science toys locally, and I'd be embarrassed(sp) to hand one to a kid. It's no fun if you don't risk injury.

  50. Re:Fist pr0st by poopdeville · · Score: 1

    Get him a book on Haskell and tell him to get his ass in gear.

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  51. So many ideas... by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Informative

    How about:
    - A subscription to Make magazine
    - A chemistry kit
    - A Velleman Electronics kit (he could build a pong game or whatever else catches his interest)
    - A robot kit from Parallax.com
    - Build a crystal radio with him. Even cooler, build one out of household junk.
    - A Digicomp mechanical computer.

    Heck, rather than me writing a long list, you should visit the DIY section on my site It should give you a few dozen good ideas. Just be sure to drop me a line if you actually build an ALTAIR 8800, tube amplifier or homebuilt ultralight, though.

    1. Re:So many ideas... by fprintf · · Score: 1

      Argh, your link is blocked from work. Dangit Websense! Thanks for the suggestions, will definitely check it out...

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    2. Re:So many ideas... by bioradmeister · · Score: 1

      Dude, use tor.

  52. Books by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Cucko's Egg

    The Dangerous Book for Boys

    There are multiple types of geekery, best to satisfy the possibilities.

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  53. ThinkGeek Newsletter by arhhook · · Score: 1

    I actually received this email today http://www.thinkgeek.com/geek-kids/?cpg=81H from ThinkGeek and it looks like it could be aimed directly at you.

  54. Arduino, breadboard and a soldering iron... by enomar · · Score: 1

    Stop coddling the boy. Give him some real tools to play with. An arduino, breadboard and a soldering iron should do the trick.

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  55. Drinking bird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The drinking bird has always amused me for hours on end, and I do have ADD.

  56. Stick with the classics by Schemat1c · · Score: 2, Informative

    For a young geek nothing inspires more than:

    - BB gun
    - can of gasoline
    - old plastic models
    - illegal fireworks
    - magnifying glass
    - bag of army men
    - hot wheels
    - pile of bricks

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    1. Re:Stick with the classics by SnatchMan · · Score: 1

      And a dirt pile to go along with it. You just summarized my childhood!

  57. Geeky board games by StudMuffin · · Score: 1

    http://brainstationtoys.com/product/robo-rally-by-avalon-hill

    This is total, geeky fun (and you can enjoy it, too!)

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  58. How about a sandbox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Debian-based cross-development sandbox for a $50 USB key-sized Linux system, that is...

    http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6221127663.html

  59. Difficult under $50, and how old is he? by syousef · · Score: 2, Informative

    You might also be able to pick up a pair of cheap binocs for under $50. 7x50s are great for astronomy. The optics won't be anything to write home about and there will be some purple fringing but I have bought usable binocs for under $50. (Note: DO NOT buy a cheap department store telescope. I have seen some nasty nasty rubbish for $50).

    You might be able to buy a cheap camera, but it'll be rubbish.

    Good gadgets seem to start at around $200. At that price, you can look at a radio scanner, a GPS...something of that nature.. Also you haven't told us how old your son is.

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  60. projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the best way to learn is to find a subject he is interested in, and foster it. being a 22 year old CS major, the most fondest memory i have is learning linux with my dad. but my favorite project was hacking my first xbox. i would have been unable to do it without my dads knowlege or my personal drive (and my parents xmas money). my point is, try to get him a project that he will want to do and will still let him learn. id recommend a projct taht he can "hack" cause it will teach him real engineering skills.

  61. Gandhi II - He's back and he knows how to party! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm guessing the username is a UHF reference.

  62. A solid pocket knife by Brianwa · · Score: 4, Informative

    If he doesn't have one yet. Preferably one with a proper locking blade.

    1. Re:A solid pocket knife by gknoy · · Score: 1

      I'll second the need for a good locking blade. I did enough dumb things with my pocketknives when I was younger, and had several close on my fingers. Clearly, you ALSO want to teach them "Don't Do Dumb Stuff", but a locking blade will help limit the accident potential. And, teach them how to keep a knife SHARP -- a sharp knife is less dangerous than a dull one.

  63. How about by foo+fighter · · Score: 1

    How about a subscription to Make or Craft, backed by your commitment of time and money towards a project per issue?

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  64. USB Microscope by nilbog · · Score: 1

    I've seen some pretty bad ass USB microscopes that plug right into your computer and give you a better view then any of the stuff they had when I was growing up. Thinkgeek has one that is perhaps a little bit out of your price range but there are more basic ones available for cheaper.

    This is something interesting for all types of sciencey stuff. Check out the effects of magnets at a microscopic level, etc.

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  65. Robot kits. by Sebastien_Bailard · · Score: 1

    ~$200, but a Vex robot kit http://www.robotshop.ca/vexplorer-vexblue.html A vex robot or lego mindstorms kit is cheap when you factor in how many hours he'll use it and what he'll learn from it. The arduino boards mentioned above are also a good suggestion, but for books I'd start him out on Forrest Mims' electronics books and get a copy of Paul Scherz's "Electronics for Inventors" 2nd Ed. Horowitz and Hill's "The Art of Electronics" is a bit advanced for him.

  66. Let him split atoms by nilbog · · Score: 1

    United Nuclear has all sorts of fun little thing like this spinthariscope that let's you watch atom splitting. http://unitednuclear.com/spinthariscope.htm

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  67. Crystal Radio or other small circuits by jsimon12 · · Score: 1

    Get him into some of the simple circuits he can build. A crystal radio is always a good one to start with. Either that or a simple shortwave setup. Then move on to some BEAM robots or other cool DIY kits.

  68. Toys I enjoyed by rebot777 · · Score: 1

    When I saw this article I immediately realized I played with all of the toys you listed as a child. Some other toys in the same vein I enjoys as kid are:

    -Illusion mirrors

    -Plasma ball

    -Juggling sticks

    -Juggling (takes more time and patience)

  69. Microcontroller kit, LCD, and some guidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a microcontroller kit with an LCD screen, breadboard (no soldering), and a C compiler? That's what they've got over at NerdKits, supported by a detailed instructional guide. Probably could use some parental assistance too. :-)

  70. Gyroscope by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember waking up from (then fashionable) tonsil surgery to be given a pull-string gyroscope, over which I went batshit.

  71. scitoys.com books and/or materials by steveha · · Score: 3, Informative

    This web site is perfect for inquisitive teens:

    http://scitoys.com/

    It's crazy cool. He shows you how to make your own working spectroscope with a box, a CD, two razor blades, and some tape!

    The guy who put up that site has written some actual paper books, so you could give one or more of those. Or, just order some magnets and diffraction gratings and such for building the gadgets, from the catalog:

    https://www.scitoyscatalog.com/

    I really wish I could have had access to that web site when I was 13. Oh, well... at least I have access now!

    steveha

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    1. Re:scitoys.com books and/or materials by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      My son made the gauss rifle from that site for a school science project. It was very cool.

  72. Make Magazine subscription by tomacorp · · Score: 1
    I suggest a subscription to Make Magazine.

    Science in Make is ambient - it doesn't hit you over the head.

    My attempt to encourage science is the Open Source Hardware <Shameless-plug> High-Speed Photography Kit Version 4</Shameless-plug>

    It's nothing you can't build yourself.

  73. rocks and gyroscope by plouf11 · · Score: 1

    Try the GYROSCOPE, this is a neat gadget, it cost 10$-20$ in any science shop, planetarium. Also, you may try rocks, all kinds of rocks, ferrite, etc. These do not cost much.

  74. check out the helicopter precision flying... by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

    That helicopter video clip was incredible. Thanks for posting the link.

    Seth

    1. Re:check out the helicopter precision flying... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Check out the stick movements required:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3nNiUStTE0&feature=related

      The RC plane one was good too though - since it kind of went with the music.

      I haven't found a video of a heli competition where you had to sync with music (i've heard of it though - but far fewer people can do heli stunts in time to music than just do heli stunts alone ).

      There certainly are some things a "3D" RC heli can do that would be harder for an RC plane to do.

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  75. DIY ideas... by tempest69 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Pegboard... fantastic for horizontal mount holes.
    2. Dowels--- that fit in the pegs..
    3. magnets-- get a 25 or 50 pack of small magnets (consider a few with dowel sized holes).
    4. mirrors-- minature... harvest a disco ball.
    5. string--
    6. DC motors.. the dinky cheap kind that come in cheap toys.
    7. prisms.. small is fine.. get geometric shapes triangles-- squares.
    8. cheap speakers.. harvest a junk clock radio or 8.
    9. glue
    10 small springs.

    Anyway.. with the laser in hand you can do a bunch of stuff with this setup.. Laser-> mirror mounted on spring mounted on speaker will make a neat wall pattern.. then try without spring.
    Make a magnet spring-- shock absorber by repelling magnets down a dowel..
    Recombine laser light after splitting it with a prism.
    Cover the dowels with slurpee straws. and make a pully system.
    This rig is expandable, cheap, and involving enough that I'd play with it..

    Storm

    1. Re:DIY ideas... by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Buy him an electronic basics manual, a protoboard and a multimeter and provide any components he would need to build his on toys.

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    2. Re:DIY ideas... by pubjames · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. Good ideas. I think I might get some of that for myself...

    3. Re:DIY ideas... by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

      Recombine laser light after splitting it with a prism.

      Aren't most lasers monochromatic?

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    4. Re:DIY ideas... by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

      Oh splitting the beam, not the color. Disregard that.

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  76. The name sucks... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 1

    But based on the videos http://www.theneocube.com/ is an interesting option.

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  77. Re: Puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got that cube-ish puzzle one Xmas. After some study and fiddling, disassembled it in 5 moves. Hadn't paid enough attention the first time so I had difficulty reassembling it, and consulted the included destructions (*shame*). Discovered it's supposed to be done in about 12 moves, but the clever assembler in the (probably) Chinese factory had discovered how to git-r-dun quicker.

    "Clever girl..."

  78. Wiimotes by jonaskoelker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm probably not one of the first million people to come up with this idea, but a wiimote can be used as a hook to get the target audience interested (if they like it, of course).

    • There's the infrared camera. You can use that to teach about light and the visible vs. invisible spectrum. If you have a good lens, or a glass of water, you can bend the light of some infrared source and go into optics.
    • There's the speaker, which lets you talk about sound waves. If it ever gets done and I publish it, look out for "wiitones", a program that lets you generate sinus tones with frequencies controlled by pointing the wiimote. Or write one yourself (I recommend SDL for audio: it's simple and portable).
    • It runs on batteries. You can talk about electricity and the chemistry of batteries.
    • There's a circuit board with some logic. That lets you talk about higher abstraction level electronics, and the engineering wisdom of abstraction.
    • There's the accelerometer. That lets you talk about acceleration and Newtonian mechanics. It also lets you talk about how one might build an accelerometer. I think I heard that using conductive springs and measuring the some electric property works. You can talk about springs here if you like.
    • It does communication via bluetooth. That lets you talk about radio, and how it's similar to and different from light.
    • You can drop it and see that it holds together. Then drop it from a taller height and see that it breaks. Talk about the physics behind it [kinetic energy enters into it].
    • If you have two wiimotes and want to find the breaking height of a wiimote on a discrete axis with only one of them breaking, you can talk about dynamic programming.

    And you can bring home the point that there's a lot of science made manifest in the engineering around us all the time.

  79. INEXPENSIVE by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

    What I have been waiting for is a dirt cheap (and safe of course) Tesla coil. I don't honestly know what the absolute minimum one could be built for is but everytime I've researched it, it was out of my budget. Has anyone a story or low low price strategy they want to share?

    1. Re:INEXPENSIVE by Dimitrii · · Score: 1

      For a small one look for a violet wand, an old quack medical device that is a mini handheld tesla coil. They are still being made for "sensation enthusiasts" so most sites that sell them are very NSFW. Prices are all over the place, but can be cheap at rummage sales and flea markets. The older/cheaper ones had a wax core and would overheat with extended use the newer designs can run for very long times.

      For building: look up plans and scrounge. Or go the route we went through and get your company to sponsor you for the fall festival haunted house.

       

  80. Altimeter by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Informative

    In addition: explain how one can build an altimeter from an accelerometer of a known mass by using Newton's laws of gravity. Explain that the wiimote is too coarse-grained to measure the difference between ocean level and the peak of mount everest.

    If I remember my calculations right, it might juuuust be feasible to measure the difference between the deepest ocean and the tallest mountain (here on earth, of course), but you need a very steady hand to pick up the difference. It'll be lost in noise.

  81. Grand-illusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a lot of cool stuff at grand-illusions.com.

  82. Unwarranted leap by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    It's fascinating how the folks replying here leap from 'interested in simple toys' to 'means he should be given complex construction project sets'.

    "Interested in toys" != "interested in being a geek" and decidely != "is interested in complex things bearing no relationship beyond geek street cred to what he has so far demonstrated interest in".

    1. Re:Unwarranted leap by try_anything · · Score: 1

      Simple means different things to different people. What's simpler, a robotics kit or a Sony AIBO?

      To one kind of kid, the AIBO is obviously simpler. It's already put together! And it works! What could be simpler than that?

      To another kind of kid, the robotics kit is simple. You can understand how it works! You can build your own working gadgets!

      To the second kind of kid, the AIBO is intimidating and disheartening. What hope is there of understanding it? Can you even take it apart and put it back together without breaking it? The message is: This is for professionals. Sit through another fifteen years of school and then maybe you'll get to be one of the experts who builds toys, but for now just push the buttons and be entertained.

    2. Re:Unwarranted leap by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Handwaving horseshit having precisely nothing to do with what I posted.

    3. Re:Unwarranted leap by try_anything · · Score: 1

      Sure it does. The kid gets a kick out of observing and interacting with simple physical phenomena. That's the kind of pleasure that a construction kit offers. A construction kit only seems complex if you think the only way to have fun with it is to build something complex and impressive. If he likes the Levitron, then he'll like playing with basic mechanical pieces (levers, pulleys, gears, batteries, lights, switches) and connecting them together in simple ways.

      I.e., by showing an interest in the simple toys mentioned in the summary, the kid has showed he will enjoy playing with a construction set regardless of whether he actually manages to construct a steampunk twitter client out of it.

  83. Drop him in the deep end right from the start... by Shivinski · · Score: 1

    ...buy him some time on the LHC for christmas

  84. Re:Despite the increase in technical toys in the U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yay for fischertechnik!
    I've got most of the sets and could cover my whole floor in this stuff while searching for parts.
    really one of the best building sets ever.

  85. Broken Junk, seriously by wolf12886 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Drive around to a couple of thrift stores or garage sales and pick up a couple interesting appliances he can take apart, give the boy a box of nuts and bolts and some tools and let him go to town.

    YMMV, but when I was that age, returning home to find a new appliance on my workbench was like a tiny Christmas.

  86. take stuff apart - learn from the experts! by mikeselectricstuff · · Score: 2, Informative

    Buy a set of small tools ( including all the 'security' type screwdriver bits), and get a load of dead consumer electronics from friends & neighbours etc. and encourage him to take stuff apart, figure out how it works, try to fix stuff etc. A subscription to Make magazine would also be good.

  87. Foreign Exotic by CaptainOfSpray · · Score: 1

    London Science Museum shop http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/shoponline.aspx
    May be unusual stuff, may be stuff you can get near you, but if Dad got it sent From Abroad...
    Of such things is Street Cred made.

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  88. He'll find his own way. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I heard this great story from a friend of mine; his grandfather sent him a tool box filled with broken clocks. That's it. Best gift ever!

    As a kid, I had lots of internal drive; I was into model rockets and building my own toys and even a full-size R2 robot. But the basic foundation which allowed this was my Dad having introduced me to do-it-yourselfmanship. Give your son tools. Heck, set up a work shop in the house, and build things yourself; kids emulate, and plus you'll have fun. My father would re-model rooms and build walls and decks and all kinds of cool stuff. He was really good at it, too, and he'd explain what he was doing while doing it if I asked.

    Pre-packaged science toys are neat, and I went through a few of them, but they also stream-line a kid's awareness; make them think that knowledge comes in shrink-wrapped, consumer packaging. Pre-packaged reality is for the sheep, and it teaches a subtle lesson in dependence on the system rather than giving them the confidence to work, literally, outside the box in the real world.

    One of the ways my father got my mind ticking was when I started pining for a pinball machine, clearly well beyond my pocket allowance budget. My dad said, "Well, heck. Let's build one."

    So we did. And it was lame. --My Dad thought pinball was about trying to launch marbles into little holes. We did build a cool wooden table which was the right shape using a jig-saw, and he came up with a neat spring-loaded plunger, but I wanted electronic bumpers and blinking lights and such. So on my own steam, I visited electronic parts stores in search of various bits and pieces to create my vision. I learned about basic electronics and how to rectify AC current by bugging the shop owners with lots of newbie questions, etc. It led to a half-assed pinball machine, but it was still pretty cool for my age, and I learned a ton. --But none of that would have been possible if my Dad hadn't taught me how to use a soldering iron and power tools. He had given me the confidence to know that humans are smart and that with an inventive mind, you can do almost anything.

    If I were you, I'd take your son to public science fairs and rocketry clubs and robotics clubs and whatnot. Stuff to fire the imagination. Also be sure to introduce him to the wonderful world of surplus electronic parts stores.

    But above all. . .

    Tools.

    Buy tools and show him how they work, how to respect them. Build a decent work bench. Set it up with a good, solid vice. Lead by example. Build some awesome projects around the house, and make getting the tools a part of the game. In short, be an empowered geek. While pre-packaged stuff is fine sometimes, never let it dominate. Don't let other people do it for you if you can avoid it, because building stuff yourself is half the fun. This attitude will help your son in life in ways you can't even imagine!

    -FL

  89. Radiometer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try a Crookes Radiometer. I got one for about $15 at the planetarium in Chicago.

  90. Slashvertisement or a guerilla marketing. by lxs · · Score: 1

    How else do you explain this post on the same day I get a mail from Thinkgeek on the opening of their little geek section (or whatever they call it)

    So the geeks are growing up and reproducing now? Sheesh I remember when they couldn't get a date to save their lives. (I still can't but I shan't bore you with the details)

  91. Gakken Otona no Kagaku kits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.verycoolthings.com/ has these great science kits from Japan. Made by Gakken, the instructions are (mostly) in Japanese (a few of the ones I bought have downloadable English instructions, but not all), BUT they are well-illustrated and usually very easy to follow. Plus most of the kits are around $30 (before shipping, which is a flat $6.99).

    http://www.verycoolthings.com/vct/Neo_getpage.cgi?search=kagaku+magazine&page=listtype
    (you can also just search on Gakken for more results, including some expensive ones like a metal Stirling engine and some electronic blocks kits)

    One caveat: While this site has better prices than the few other US sites that carry these kits, beware that the ones marked 'ships in 30 days' have taken more like 2-3 months to arrive (for me, at least). I've gotten the '12-day' ones I ordered within 2 weeks without problem.

    ALSO, they have Totoro desk calendars from Studio Ghibli, one of which I couldn't resist buying. Not scientific, just cute. :)

  92. Re:"/."liza. cold soldering iron by gruntled · · Score: 3, Informative

    Have you looked at a cold soldering iron? I find it a little annoying to work with, but I keep one in my woodshop, because one thing you don't want to have in a room filled with wood shavings is something with a temperature of over 500 degrees that takes more than a second to cool down. Might be just the thing for child. ThinkGeek stocks them.

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/giftsunder20/69d3/

  93. Interesting Site by whones · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the FanSee. It's a very cool product (no paronomasia intended). I guess though it being winter and all, it's probably not at the top of anyone's list right now. The manufacturer, Fascinations Toys & Gifts, has a bunch of other cool stuff. Anyway, I purchased a few things off InnovaToys about a week ago for some gifts because they carry all the Fascinations products. InnovaToys has a lot of really interesting stuff though they don't have a very large selection. I purchased the following product from them and plan to return for some of my Christmas shopping:

    FanSee
    AntWorks
    Levitron AG
    Faucet Light
    Clocky Alarm Clock

    Also, I'd have to say I was impressed by the InnovaToys customer service. I needed my shipment to ship out to one of 2 different addresses depending on the day it was suppose to arrive at my door, so I requested someone to contact me. Anyway, I was surprised when the guy in the warehouse called me up to confirm the address he was shipping to. Great support in my opinion! Don't think you can get that from most companies.

    Scott

    1. Re:Interesting Site by hanwu · · Score: 1

      I ordered something from InnovaToys about a month ago. One thing I like is they have ZERO spam. Most companies I order from are soon added to my blacklist because of all ad spam I get. They also carry a good selection of gifts and quick turnaround time. InnovaToys has got my vote!!

  94. Availability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been drooling over Thinkgeek's toys since i have first discovered the site a couple of years ago. The problem from my point of reference in space is that i can't order anything from them since they do not deliver in Romania. Now does anyone know of any site that is like the aforementioned one that does deliver to other countries except USA? ( including Romania ? )

  95. USB Powered Plasma globes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USB Powered Plasma Globes!

  96. Some more things: by TuaAmin13 · · Score: 1

    I know when I was growing up I had a chemistry set from the discovery channel store. It was a fold out set with pipets, a small beaker, some non-toxic chemicals for the included experiment manual, and some other stuff. This appears to be close to what I had, but sans fold-out case: http://shopping.discovery.com/product-60266.html?endecaSID=11D909851918

    Another thing I had for a while was a magic kit. It was a large box with assorted tricks. My parents got it from Costco. While I'm not sure if your son likes magic, Costco/Sams Club/BJ's Warehouse has a bunch of seasonal toys that may be up his alley.

  97. Geomag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You said "anything magnetic", so how about a big box of Geomag? You know, magnets and steel balls, you can put together in lots of ways. Like building a truncated icosahedron. Or a levitating bridge, connected only at one end (to keep it in place with north poles over north poles and south over south), and using magnetic repulsion to keep the other end up.

  98. You'd be suprised.... by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

    Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.


    Mohandas Gandhi

    Ghandi used non-violence against the British because the Brits were basically moral people, and the strategy was clearly successful.

    He knew quite well that non-violence was an unwise strategy in many real circumstances.

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    1. Re:You'd be suprised.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look for Harry Turtledove's (?) story, "The Last Article".

      After the Nazi's won the war in Europe, they worked their way east. When they conquered India, Gandhi tried his campaign of non-violent resistance. Needless to say, things worked out differently.

  99. Rovio by mraiser · · Score: 1

    I dunno about thirteen or seven years olds, but I'm middle-aged and I want a Rovio!

    1. Re:Rovio by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      rovio looks cool. Kind of like controlling your own mars lander.

  100. Grand Illusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a lot of unique nerdy toys at this site:
    http://www.grand-illusions.com/

    Some expensive, but quite a few under $50. A whole magnet section just for your son!

  101. wire wrap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't get circuits right the first time, even when I'm being paid to build them. That's what breadboards are for.

    Can anyone think of a good reason why wire wrap seems to have become so unpopular / less popular?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_wrap

    1. Re:wire wrap by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      Because it's a PITA to do, and leads to incredibly messy, hard to follow, and prone to wires-getting-caught-on-anything-and-ripping-off boards like those pictured in the wikipedia article.

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  102. Can't remember the price, but... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...I saw I microscope with LCD screen that was pretty neat. I got a small microscope for Christmas when I was about eight years old, and I used if for years. This thing was a lot smaller and more portable, and looked like it would be perfect for a hike.

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  103. Plasma Mug! by sado196 · · Score: 1

    If he likes lava lamps and lights, the plasma mug is a winner. Here's a link to a review for one. http://youbentmywookie.com/columns/cubicle-columns/the-plasma-mug-868 You can get that off of Think Geek. I think its in the $20 - $30 range so its a great stocking stuffer. Enjoy! And welcome your kid to the Geek Army for me!

  104. If he already got his laser pointer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. then all he needs right now is a shark.

  105. Let's Be Honest About Being 13... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was thirteen, my favorite toy was gasoline. Yes, just plain old gasoline... and some tennis balls... and glass containers... and some old bedsheets or towels... and a can of Off insect repellent... and a Bic lighter.

    Just some simple petrol-based toys for simple rural fun, and, no, I was not a budding Ted Kazinski (or however you spell his name).

  106. Go by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

    Go [http://www.usgo.org]

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  107. Pallet Load of stuff under $50 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having learned more from scrap parts obtained from dumpster diving behind the telephone company, I'd recommend a cheap pallet of surplus computer parts from places such as propertyroom.com. I got three working nice panasonic cf-48s for $50 with one good battery and hard drive, so two backups for parts/experimentations.

    They have pallets of towers and servers that regularly go for less than $5.00, if you are close to the sites and can pickup the pallet load.

    Of course the will all be past tense, since nobody knows about this, but hay, this the season!

  108. Wire wrap? Dynamic Impedance by lenski · · Score: 1

    Wire wrap worked about a thousand years ago, when we could build semi-credible systems operating at or below 10 MHz. (An example is my homebuilt, wire-wrapped Z-80 on an STD-bus sized board...)

    Since then, edge rates have become quick enough that physical design is a priority in all but the slowest of modern designs.

    PCI for example, uses additive reflection of signals due to the intentionally unterminated bus.

    Of course for PIC, 8051 family or similar low speed systems, wire-wrap would be perfectly fine.

  109. Re:Propeller by lahvak · · Score: 1

    I was just looking at the propeller kit in a mint box at thinkgeek last night. I was thinking about getting it for my daughter, but now I think I may look at arduino first.

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  110. Re:Despite the increase in technical toys in the U by neumayr · · Score: 1

    Wow, this site sucks. Try the english section of the german site.

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  111. why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you hate to admit it? Oh,you're incapable of writing your own introductory sentence. I get it.

  112. the easiest way (it worked for me) by Ingcuervo · · Score: 1

    My father never thought that I would become a geek when he gave to me some little cars and stuff, the point was that I started to dissasemble them and started to create awful monsters and weird motion devices, just give him standar toys, screwdrivers and lock them alone for a couple hours, you will be surprised!!!!

  113. Build a Jacobs Ladder. Its way cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    build a jacobs ladder.
    Its the thing in frankenstein movies that sparks.
    All you need is a furnace transformer.
    Probably $50 ebay.
    Way cool, pretty safe.
    -jim

  114. Flashlights and magnets by Sandor+at+the+Zoo · · Score: 1

    Those are my two favorite types of toys.
    For magnets, I like K&J Magnetics.
    For flashlights, I've ordered but not yet received some seriously bright small flashlights from Fenix.
    Lasers are a subclass of flashlights to me, and you already have that covered.

  115. Buy him some nifty kits! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Velleman makes some really cool DIY kits for cheap. Pick him up a couple of kits, a soldering iron, and some solder.

    I know as a kid I would have really loved building my own clock, or metal detector, or LED chaser.

    Oh, who am I fooling. I would love building that stuff today, too. Maybe I'll have to stuff my own stocking this year.

  116. Re:Despite the increase in technical toys in the U by idlemachine · · Score: 1

    The main direct-buy sites in the U.S. are: http://www.fischertechnik.com/

    The goggles! They do nothing!

    You will not be disappointed by the quality.

    Mostly from the diminished expectations induced by that site.

  117. Billiards? by frission · · Score: 1

    You could teach him to play pool. If you search online for "physics of pool" or something similar, you'll see a lot of different papers on how it should work. It's fun to play, and you can definitely see quick improvement after a little while (I personally enjoyed seeing progress when I was a kid).

    Also, it doesn't fit in your stocking, but it could be good quality time to spend together somewhere.

    The trick would now be to find a place to play pool that ISN'T a bar. Growing up, my local arcade had video games, putt-putt, and pool...I don't think there's too many places like that anymore :(

  118. Edmund Scientifics by josquin9 · · Score: 1

    scientificsonline.com

    I always get educational toys for my nieces and nephews here, from drinking birds (classic) to light-sensitive robot kits. This year their getting brew-you-own root beer, a working electric engine kit, hand boilers . . . the trouble is limiting it. There are plenty of things not to expensive.

    1. Re:Edmund Scientifics by slash_fossils · · Score: 1

      I just ordered their free catalog. I remember, as a kid, looking through that catalog, wishing I could get the static generator or solar furnace.

    2. Re:Edmund Scientifics by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      Edmund is a great source. When I was a teenager (>50 years ago) I bought quite a few interesting scientific gadgets from them. They were a treasure trove of goodies, and many enjoyable hours spent poring over the listings. Back then, they had a lot of war surplus stuff, like tank prisms, which made it extra cool. They used to specialize more in optics. Now they seem to have a separate optics division.

  119. Make him a nerd, not a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about having him build a 6" dobsonian telescope?
    Simple plans and parts can be had at prices to fit your budget. He learns something, uses his hands, and has a useful tool when done. Win, win, win. - j

  120. GP2X by ohxten · · Score: 1

    How about a GP2X?

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  121. Graphing calculator by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    I know this is beyond your target budget, but that was about the age that I purchased my first graphing calculator. It was a simple TI-83 or similar, but I read the manual from cover to cover and tried to learn to exploit every macro, graphing, solving, and programming feature it had... something that would have been next to impossible on, say, a full-blown PC with mathematics software. I spent a lot of time playing with it on the bus or in class trying to get it to do interesting things, and while I didn't end up an excellent assembly programmer or anything, it really did help me think about and grasp a lot of the calculus, physics, and algebra I had to tackle later on, and made a lot of tedious homework a snap as I programmed a small library of simple functions to do stuff for various classes.

  122. A great gadget/toy by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Get the Dynaflex Powerball that glows and has a counter. that'll provide great entertainment as your child tried to beat his prior best RPM.

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  123. what my father should have gotten me by viridari · · Score: 1

    How about studying for a ham radio license together?

  124. His "13 year-old son"...yeah right by suggsjc · · Score: 1

    I'm skeptical about the article (even though I didn't read it). I think somebody just sold their company and is now attempting to go back and re-geek-out their own childhood. They are just soliciting all of the ideas and fun things other /.'ers did when they were little and are going to make a massive Fry's run. (Hint to all non-millionaire /. readers, buy stock in Fry's)

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see another story in about 6 months detailing the largest technik/lego/rare earth magnet/ landing platform for a RC helicopter that is controlled by a Commodore64 connected to a breadboard and a 300 in one Radio Shack Electronics set. This structure will have BB gun turrets as well as a special "chamber" designed specifically for playing Dungeons and Dragons.

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  125. Pocket Geiger Counter by airship · · Score: 1

    I really like the pocket-sized Russian Geiger counter I bought off the eBays a couple of years back for under $50. It gives off a reassuring click anytime you come near anything remotely radioactive. It even clicks when hit by stray cosmic rays. Here's a current auction for one like mine:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-RADIATION-DOSIMETER-DRSB-01-Geiger-Counter_W0QQitemZ310098505503

    Of course, you'll also need something radioactive to detect. I suggest a bit of uranium from United Nuclear:

    http://www.unitednuclear.com/

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  126. The City Dump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a child, I got lot's of old TV's and radios from the town dump to use as parts for my childhood electronics hobby.

    Or, go on craigslist and put in an ad:

    Wanted: Old TV's and radios. Budding scientist badly needs raw materials. We will come and pick them up from you. Call . . . . .

    Cleara

  127. Missed one. by kcdoodle · · Score: 1

    Try www.physlink.com (for physics geeks)

    Their shopping link is actually www.xump.com, lots of small experiments and gadgets, would be good for grade school and high school teachers.

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  128. Wow what's wrong with real stuff? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Get him a decent DMM a soldering iron and a couple of kits.

    a cheap arduino kit and a breadboard and a few fun parts are a GREAT start.

    you can get a decent DMM at harbor freight for $29.00. Ardunio kits are $17.00 and a cheapie breadboard is under $10.00

    all these toys recommended up there simply would insult a 13 year old geek.

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  129. I'd suggest Make Magazine by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 1

    When I was younger, I think I did a lot more pleasure reading than my peers. I'd give any budding geek a subscription to Make Magazine. It's a quarterly, but there's a lot of neat info packed into each issue that run through a spectrum if interests. http://makezine.com/

    BTM

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  130. Magnet sets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a link I found recently to a couple of magnet sets that look like they might be a lot of fun:

    NeoCube and CyberCube Neodymium Magnet Sets review

    Both the NeoCube and CyberCube sets are under $50, and there are videos online you can check out to see the sort of things you can do with them...

  131. Re:"/."liza. cold soldering iron by Big+Boss · · Score: 1

    I use them for wires and such, but I've read that using them on sensitive electronic parts is bad. The tips are also quite large compared to even a cheap Radio Shack iron.

    For a 6 year old, breadboards are fine. The kid probably wants to use it because he sees daddy using it and it looks interesting. I learned to solder at about 8 though, so it's not like it's impossible. :)

  132. Think Geek is nothing compared to AS&S by number6x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a youth, all of my snow shoveling and lawn mowing money was spent at The American Science Center on Northwest Highway in Chicago.

    It now has a new location and name, American Science and Surplus. This store has all of the pre-packaged gadgety gizmos the commercial science stores have, plus surplus electronic and mechanical equipment to use in more creative projects.

    It was the fault of this store that I ended up majoring in Physics. I know many other kids that ended up being engineers and scientists because of the projects that this store supplied the hardware to make. Chemistry, Physics, Biology, electronics, mechanical; whatever your interest this place has the material you need to explore it!

  133. Microcontrollers.... by Big+Boss · · Score: 1

    If the kid is interested in computers, micros are awesome. Audrino is great. PIC based systems are fun too. The UBW is a great little USB board that is very easy to use. And you don't need a programming device to use it. A breadboard and a basic microcontroller board with a bag of misc components would be great fun for a kid with an interest in such subjects. :)

    Soldering, well, no time like the present to learn. Get a ratshack 15W iron, some solder and some simple perfboards and such. Practice on junk components to get the hang of it, and off he goes.

  134. Re:Microscope? Logic board? by rho · · Score: 1

    Second the microscope. Even the el cheapos encourage exploration.

    A whole collection of observation instruments would be good: microscope, good hand-held magnifying glass, good pair of binoculars, and a decent telescope.

    Oh, and a nice notebook to keep notes in. I love the one with squared pages.

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  135. Re:Despite the increase in technical toys in the U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah those are great. From that and the Hostess cupcakes I realize now how much mom loved me.

    I still have my kit from the 70's, pre-Lego Technics. Even the motor and power supply still works.

    The other day got them out and fulfilled my childhood aspiration of figuring out how to mechanically interface FischerTechnik with Lego. I'm expecting the rest of my life to be downhill.

  136. Two suggestions by plcurechax · · Score: 1

    The Atmel AVR Butterfly is a $20 microcontroller on a board intended to be an introduction to AVR microcontrollers or microcontrollers in general. Low cost of entry, plenty of real world I/O (temp sensor, LCD, speaker, light sensor, ADC) and easy to program (free tool-chain, including gcc C compiler). Available from Digi-Key or Mouser online.

    Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry Experiments from O'Reilly and Make-zine. Check out the author's associate website, HomeChemLab including their small but friendly and supportive forum.

    Finally, for free, teach the lessons that freedom comes with the price of responsibility, and that knowledge and understanding are powerful (physics jokes aside) tools. Also honesty and integrity, include admitting to making mistakes and being unsure are valuable currency for building a reputation that can lead to being trusted (and respected). And that it is okay to be curiosity (though sometimes some tact is also needed). -- My parent's tolerance and patience were important factors in developing my good "geekiness" qualities, so I encourage an environment that is supportive not punitive about failure (mistakes).

    "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein

  137. Junk Computer and a *nix OS by emidln · · Score: 1

    I had a copy of FreeBSD and Caldera OpenLinux at 13 and a junk computer. Combined with misc breadboards, power supplys, and a myriad of wires and electronics parts I've been entertaining myself ever since (10ish years later). I would say a junk computer or two and maybe a good guide for installing/using a free *nix.

  138. I'd recommend by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    An official Red Ryder two hundred shot carbine action Range Model air rifle with a compass and a thing which tells time built right into the stock.

  139. To be a contrarian.... by try_anything · · Score: 1

    Other people have answered the "gadget" part of the question better than I can, so I'll pretend I'm a good Slashdotter who didn't read the summary carefully.

    1. Fiddling around with things doesn't get you very far without learning the theoretical tools to help you reason about the systems you build. The kid needs math and physics books! Books that teach theory through problems are lots of fun. Some of these are disguised as puzzle books or problem books, but a straight-up problem book (with no theory or exposition) would be too frustrating on its own. All my favorites are sitting neglected on the bookshelves at my parent's house, so unfortunately I can't recommend any.

    2. Pop science is pretty good for kids, because it can actually be challenging and educational. (I'm not a big fan of pop science for adults; it's deceptively gratifying.) He'll find those on his own if you just let him loose in a good bookstore.

    3. If the kid is a budding geek, you might as well give him a head start on the things he'll find challenging, as well as the things that will come easily to him. You know, how to deal with slippery stuff that can't be defined and figured out, such as people, emotions, and poorly defined ideas like "honesty" and "democracy." For that you just need to give him some toys that aren't fun to use alone (such as sports gear) and some unsupervised time with other kids.

  140. Re: Puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It didn't look like this did it?

  141. Snap Circuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snap Circuits may be a good primer for electronics. The parts are relatively durable and, though not as flexible as a breadboard, offer more structured control of the circuits. It is closer to putting together a puzzle than electrical engineering.

  142. Bug Labs' BUG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open source gadget construction kit.

    http://buglabs.net/

    from the site:

    BUG is a collection of easy-to-use electronic modules that snap together to build any gadget you can imagine. Each BUGmodule represents a specific gadget function (ex: a camera, a keyboard, a video output, etc.). You decide which functions to include and BUG takes care of the rest, letting you try out different combinations quickly and easily. With BUG and the integrated programming environment/online community (BUGnet), anyone can build, program and share innovative devices and applications. We don't define the final products - you do.

  143. Re:Microscope? Logic board? by LordNimon · · Score: 1

    But not too cheap. Don't buy anything under $50.

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  144. Girls by danheretic · · Score: 1

    I wanted to ask the Slashdot crowd what were some other really neat, interesting gadgets?

    Girls. Girls are really, really interesting gadgets, especially to a young teenage boy.

    I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet.

    I wanted to ask the Slashdot crowd

    Oh wait, that explains it.

  145. toys for geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't vouch for it yet, but what I'm buying myself for the holidays is
    model stirling engine;
    http://www.stirlingengine.com/ecommerce/product.tcl?product_id=87
    It's 49$ (3 for 100$) not including the coffee mug or ice. The better model will run on hand heat.

    A runnerup choice was the ultimate dreidel or top that will spin for
    http://www.quirkle.com/top/index.htm

  146. French book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A long time ago I read (or at least viewed) some very nice french books called "Tom Tit", probably dating to the first decades of the 1900's. They had all sorts of geeky experiments you could do with household items: egg shells, bottles, cups, cork stoppers, saucers, straws. Very, very entertaining and instructive. Days on end working out and designing new experiments.

    The less elaborate a contraption is, the more field is left for imagination. And consequently, the most fun.

    There must be some updated books of the style. Edmund Scientific had some of these, and a lot of geeky stuff, more scientific than ThinkGeek.

  147. Remember to shop around by blogan · · Score: 1

    If you find something at Thinkgeek, you might be able to find it for $15 less at Amazon or some other retailer.

  148. This board should keep him busy for some time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was 13 I would have loved to get one of these.

    I thought about buying it for my cousin, but she is still way too young.

  149. Easy by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Some cans, lighter fluid, duct tape, and a potato.

    Leave them alone for 30 minutes. If they don't have a potato gun when you return, you probably don't have a geek.

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  150. Mixed Nuts by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

    It's not the religious nuts. It's the "think of the children" nuts.

  151. Kites! by pseudy · · Score: 1
    I would like some under $50 kites, or some dowels, tape, a roll of tyvek, and a book of kite plans.

    When I was a kid I loved my radio shack 50-in-one kit, my chemistry set, my bicycle, and kites. Kites are what I'm mostly still playing with today. You can do a lot of experimenting with kites for cheap.

    My brother and I built what was for us a huge kite from trash bags and fiberglass poles from bicycle flags. We built a wind-powered ferry to tow Stinkor and Man-E-Faces up the kite line and drop them with parachutes.

    Older kids might be more interested in something like kite aerial photography. You can definetly build a kite and rig for this with disposable cameras for under $50.

  152. Stirling Engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A great gadget is the Stirling Engine Kit (http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/9e84/) from ThinkGeek. This type of engine runs on heat differences. Once assembled, this engine will run equally well on either a hot cup of coffee or a cold bowl of ice. Itâ(TM)s a great learning tool.

  153. A sledgehammer by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

    My son, the 10-year-old budding geologist, found a sledgehammer while we were visiting a friend's newly-constructed house. It had apparently been left in the recesses of the backyard by the contractors. My son asked if he could keep it, and my friend gave it to him.

    Now, I'm well aware that a 10-year-old and a sledgehammer sound like a pretty stupid idea. I actually expected that the sledgehammer would just go into the bottom of my toolbox and get forgotten.

    No such luck, I'm afraid.

    I now have a 10-year-old boy with his own personal sledgehammer. Hours and hours of enjoyment, but so far no problems. He only gets access to it when I am around, and he wears safety goggles when using it. He uses it to break open rocks to look for fossils.

    Sigh. So far, the wife has not killed me.

  154. Circuits for younger kids; magnets by Lefty_Juggler · · Score: 1

    A toy call "Snap Circuits" is for younger kids, kind of a cross between tinker toys and a electric circuit kit. The pieces just snap together. Amazon says ages 8 and up, but I think you could go several years younger. My son had a blast with super-strong rare earth magnets, as well.

  155. Re:Fist pr0st by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

    you meant "on gear", right?

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  156. STM32 Primer (STM Circle) by ET3D · · Score: 1

    Check this out. I think I'd have loved that at 13 (had a Sinclair ZX81 at that age), and it's very appealing even today, though I don't think I'll have the time to play with it seriously, so haven't bought it. There's a site for this (mentioned on that page) with extra games and apps with source code.

  157. Re:Despite the increase in technical toys in the U by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Actually, the German site pretty much sucks, too. Not as badly as the US site... the loud sucking sound is at least bearable... but in my opinion as a professional web developer, the German site is not much better. There is more information available, and more pictures, but the site design and navigation are terrible, and so are the pictures.

  158. Gifts for the Geek Kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gifts for the Geek Kid:

    Magnets: A good source for large bar magnets is your local vet, one that does large animal work. Feed a cow a bar magnet, and it grabs the bits of bailing wire that seem to find their way into feed. They are heavy enough they stay in the cows first stomach.

    Lee Valley Tools (www.leevalley.com) has rare earth magnets in various sizes.

    Get a cheap magnetic compass to go with it.

    Gyroscope. Gyroscopes are counter intuitive. The small ones are fun. Get a pair of stunt pegs and you can turn a spare bicycle front wheel into a large gyroscope.

    Hand lens or loupe.

    Digital magnifier. Celestron makes a 20-100 power hand held magnifier with a USB connection. There's another company that sells one that has an onboard screen, and accepts a USB stick for field use -- 100-400 power. it was featured on a "Naked Scientist" podcast, but I can't find which one --

    Good field guides to the local birds, bogs, bugs, and boulders.

    An iPOD set up on his computer with a bunch of subscriptions to some of the cool science podcasts.

    Subscription to Discover, and Popular Science.

    An evening a month at the public library. Not everything is on the internet.

  159. Re:Despite the increase in technical toys in the U by neumayr · · Score: 1

    Right you are. Also from the perspective of someone who does no web developing at all.
    Still, as you said, better than the US site.

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