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Alabama Wages War Against the Perfect Weed

pickens writes "Dan Berry writes in the NY Times that the State of Alabama is spending millions of dollars in federal stimulus money to combat Cogongrass, a.k.a. the perfect weed, the killer weed, and the weed from another continent. A weed that 'evokes those old science-fiction movies in which clueless citizens ignore reports of an alien invasion.' Cogongrass (Imperata cylindrica) is considered one of the 10 worst weeds in the world. 'It can take over fields and forests, ruining crops, destroying native plants, upsetting the ecosystem,' writes Berry. 'It is very difficult to kill. It burns extremely hot. And its serrated leaves and grainy composition mean that animals with even the most indiscriminate palates — goats, for example — say no thanks.' Alabama's overall strategy is to draw a line across the state at Highway 80 and eradicate everything north of it; then, in phases, to try to control it to the south. But the weed is so resilient that you can't kill it with one application of herbicide, you have to return several months later and do it again. 'People think this is just a grass,' says forester Stephen Pecot. 'They don't understand that cogongrass can replace an entire ecosystem.' Left unchecked, Pecot says 'it could spread all the way to Michigan.'"

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  1. The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here in British Columbia we don't wage war on it, it's our #1 export.

    1. Re:The Perfect Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly... this weed needs to be crossbred with Cannibis immediately!

    2. Re:The Perfect Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly... this weed needs to be crossbred with Cannibis immediately!

      Actually, that's a great idea. It could shift a large part of the eradication effort to the federal budget, saving Alabama a fortune.

    3. Re:The perfect weed? by Cruciform · · Score: 3, Funny

      Out here on the opposite coast, another kind of weed is flourishing.
      Japanese Knotweed. The stuff grows insanely fast and spreads rhizomatically, so it's a bitch to kill.
      And the really sad thing is that when it's 8 feet tall and in blossom it must look like the catch of the day for the cops, because they keep flying over to check out the encroaching patch.

    4. Re:The perfect weed? by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call beasters the "Perfect Weed"

    5. Re:The perfect weed? by muckracer · · Score: 1

      > Here in British Columbia we don't wage war on it, it's our #1 export.

      Now imagine a hybrid...a joint venture so to speak between AL and BC.
      Northern Cogon anyone? :-)

    6. Re:The perfect weed? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      There is some of the real stuff growing along the roads out west too, but the THC content is so low that you would probably only get a headache, but if you pick it or go near it on a road side, then the cops will definitely arrest you. I also thought that BC only had the stuff for medical cases? You gotta wonder why just one guy would need tons of this stuff? Being from the south, I think I would rank kudzu above all. It is a useful plant though and maybe there could be a little more uses from it with some research. The ecosystem is a real bad deal. We have already lost the American chestnut to the Chinese chestnut and things like that, but to say "wooooo I really scared", no.

    7. Re:The perfect weed? by muckracer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Out here on the opposite coast, another kind of weed is flourishing.
      > Japanese Knotweed.

      True that. Have seen it take over miles and miles of banks on the Delaware
      river. Nothing else survives!
      AFAIK you have to cut it carefully and then actually burn it. This stuff will
      sprout even on a compost where you threw the cut-off plants. Any ideas to
      prevent regrowth at the original site...salt on the roots perhaps?

    8. Re:The perfect weed? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Japanese Knotweed. The stuff grows insanely fast and spreads rhizomatically, so it's a bitch to kill.

      I was going to post on this but you beat me to it. It's virtually impossible to kill. I've helped dig it up before and have discovered roots that exceed 20 feet in length. Nothing native to the Americas seems to be able to compete with it. It's a real PITA.

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    9. Re:The perfect weed? by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 1

      I live in Alabama and kudzu is awful. I tried kudzu jelly once in an Alabama History class in school and it was bitter and tasteless.

      Whoever came up with that idea was just trying too hard to find a good use. The stuff is hard to kill also. Basically have to burn it and keep burning it until you've gotten down to the root.

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    10. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The method that people seem to be pinning their hopes on in the UK is the introduction of an insect (Aphalara itadori) that feeds on the Knotweed and very little else. What could possibly go wrong?

    11. Re:The perfect weed? by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Informative

      Being from the south, I think I would rank kudzu above all.

      My goats will clean up kudzu like it's candy. Not only will they strip the leaves, you'll see them standing on their hind legs trying to drag the vines down out of the trees. They eat leaves, vines, stems, roots and all. Reminds of a casino buffet on seafood night. And because they have a 4 chambered stomach, the digestion process pretty much kills the seeds. I've never seen them spread it anyway. As a bonus, goats can handle the terrain kudzu seems to thrive in.

      If goats don't eat cogongrass, then that is some bad stuff. They can strip the leaves off blackberry bushes while avoiding the stickers, all they leave behind are stands of dead stalks. If it's that bad...that's a real problem.

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    12. Re:The perfect weed? by temojen · · Score: 1

      Here on Vancouver Island, Scotch Broom has pretty much the same properties as the Cogongrass. The Marijuana mostly grows indoors.

    13. Re:The perfect weed? by Hitman_Frost · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm... I'd better pre-order some gorillas now, before winter gets here.

    14. Re:The perfect weed? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      I wonder about that too, I wonder if there is some pest or animal that can control it? I wasn't aware that they eat kudzu as there are not that many goat farms around here, but those kudzu roots do live a long time.

      As for uses, maybe bio fuel, who knows, it may taste bad to us but might be made into feed for something else like goats. Goat feed, use #1.

    15. Re:The perfect weed? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And here in the deep south it is that damned Kudzu which was imported during the dustbowl and spread like the damned clap. Go to places like south AR and the stuff is practically spray painted onto everything. Trees, lampposts ,telephone poles, houses, you name it, Kudzu will envelop it.

      I wish Alabama luck, because if that crap is anything like the Kudzu here in AR, they are sure as hell gonna need it. I wonder in a death match between Kudzu and Cogongrass who would win?

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    16. Re:The perfect weed? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't forget the Chinese needle snakes.

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    17. Re:The perfect weed? by hedge49 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The United States is now home to some of the most unruly plants in the world, like Kudzu vine, which has caused farmers to abandon crops at first sight of the vines at field's edge. It can be seen sneaking across highways on the lightning wires over power lines, and creating strange sculptures of the barns, tractors, and forests it covers throughout the southeast. Florida has two of these plants, the Kajeput, and the Australian Pine (Aussies call it American Pine..Apparently, nobody wants it) Both of these trees were introduced by the US Army Corps of Engineers to perform some function ancillary to one or another of their endeavors, but now reviled as environmentally obnoxious in their ability to grow in any condition from standing water to alkali flat. Kajeput has the additional benefit of burning hot to its top (oily sap and leaves) thereby killing off the native palms that used to survive naturally occurring fires. Remember what Newton said, "Nature abhors a vacuum". And stuff like these plants, and some of the other, more mobile creatures that have apparently taken heart and moved on from their original, pest-opposed environments, are now enjoying the benefits of life with no natural opposition, except people.

    18. Re:The perfect weed? by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      How do they eat the blackberry leaves without getting pricked? I believe you, but it doesn't make sense, because those thorns are so tough, I think. Don't the goats bleed when coming in contact with the stuff?

    19. Re:The perfect weed? by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Kudzu makes decent forage. Kudzu hay typically has a 15-18% crude protein content and over 60% total digestible nutrient value, slightly lower on longer vines. Unfortunately it's hard to bale and store.

      Since it stores a lot of starch in the roots, they can regenerate for a long time. My goats will eat anything that doesn't break off in the ground, including the seed pods. If they're still around, kudzu won't be able to get started again. They'll eat any vines that start. That includes kudzu, but also wild grape vines, poison ivy, and just about anything else that grows on a vine.

      If we could cultivate the market for goat meat in the US, those vast areas overgrown by kudzu would immediately turn into potential grazing land. Of course, in an environmentally sensitive area, the goats would be almost as hard on native plants as the kudzu. So there are trade offs both ways. But since goat is a red meat with roughly the same caloric value and 1/2 the fat of skinless chicken, 50% lower fat than beef, and 1/3 the calories of pork you'd think we'd be eating more goat.

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    20. Re:The perfect weed? by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think that is the first time on slashdot I've seen someone refer to "my goats."

    21. Re:The perfect weed? by KingAlanI · · Score: 4, Funny

      http://magiccards.info/al/en/113.html Kudzu isn't all that hard to destroy - even http://magiccards.info/al/en/202.html will do the trick

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    22. Re:The perfect weed? by Tim4444 · · Score: 1

      Which weed, as they put it, are the Alabamans waging war on? The cogongrass or the environmentalists?

    23. Re:The perfect weed? by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope, they can pick off even tiny leaves off sticker bushes without getting stuck. There were places on the property that were stands of dead, stripped sticker stalks. A couple years ago you couldn't even see through those places. Their hide is tough so they don't have any trouble walking through the thickets. Their lips and tongues have amazing dexterity. They can pick individual pellets out of their grain bin while avoiding the moldy ones.

      I have a blog if you're interested. I'll try to get some video of them browsing to show how precise they can be, but it's hard because any time I'm out in the pasture they crowd around begging for cookies. If nothing else I'll try to take some pictures of the decimated blackberry bushes.

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    24. Re:The perfect weed? by Dravik · · Score: 1

      We have Kudzu all over the state as well.

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    25. Re:The perfect weed? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      It's harder to cook right, because of the low fat content, and an oddball willingness of a man to eat pigs (which seem smart like dogs to me) and not to eat just a dumb eating machine like a goat.

      There is lots of things you can get from a goat, or so I have heard, it's just real hard to put up with their temperament sometimes, and the smell, well I guess you could get used to that over time.

    26. Re:The perfect weed? by DigitalPasture · · Score: 1

      Kudzu would have been my top pick for a killer weed. I love gardening, but what a bastard plant. It can create a monoculture in a few years.

    27. Re:The perfect weed? by Ozlanthos · · Score: 1

      "There is some of the real stuff growing along the roads out west too, but the THC content is so low that you would probably only get a headache, but if you pick it or go near it on a road side, then the cops will definitely arrest you." Funny thing is, what you are talking about is "feral hemp" (left-overs from the 200 years that Hemp served as one of this country's most successful textiles) and when you hear about large "large grow-ops" being discovered and eradicated, 80% of the time, that is what they are pulling out of the ground!

      -Oz

    28. Re:The perfect weed? by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Under similar circumstances in Australia the CSIRO http://www.csiro.au/science/PestManagement.html , would investigate the weed species, find it's country of origin, find insects, bacteria or fungi that feed on it and then bring back samples under controlled conditions. These species would then be tested against Australian native plants and commercial species and those imported species that do not predate upon those would then be tested for survivability in the regions most affected by the weed species. Once the optimum control species are found they are released into the environment to control the weed species.

      Although this is by far the most cost effective method of control it often not very popular in capitalism first, last and everything in between countries as there is no opportunity for profit in the solution as it must be given away free, to spread on it's own. In the case of the US the USDA http://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/ is the likely agency that should be working on those problems on a federal basis. So rather than throwing away money on spraying and, spraying and, spraying, better to pursue the USDA and get them working on long term biological solutions, where it is all about saving money while saving the environment.

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    29. Re:The perfect weed? by yo_tuco · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've seen a goat eating a blackberry bush before. It ate everything - the stem, leaves and thorns. It must be that leather tongue. It cleaned out the whole blackberry patch.

    30. Re:The perfect weed? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And now scientists have located the genes responsible for THC potency and are trying to grow strains of hemp with almost zero THC content. If they can do it, maybe the US government will reverse their ridiculous policy about growing hemp for rope, clothing, paper, oil, and all the other wonderful products you can make from it. Seems pretty dumb that it was outlawed to begin with, but you can thank Randolph Hearst for that. He owned most of the US newspapers at the time, and also owned paper mills so he could make a killing from the ground up. He realized that hemp paper was stronger and cheaper than traditional wood pulp paper and started a FUD campaign against "the evil weed" and had the country convinced that minority ethnic groups were going to be raping white women in droves. It worked and now nobody can legally grow hemp here at all - even hemp that contains so little THC that you would need to smoke several ounces to feel a buzz. Now I just hope that the scientists will also figure out the flip side - how to make super concentrated amounts of THC in marijuana.

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    31. Re:The perfect weed? by LearnToSpell · · Score: 1

      I love goat, but I've never cooked it, and not sure I've even seen it for sale in a meat store (in the US). It'd probably turn into a mass-market corn-fed monstrosity anyway. Bleh.

    32. Re:The perfect weed? by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1

      They can also eat conifer needles and branches, which I believe few other animals can, due to the resin content of the material. A neighbor has a big herd of goats, and all of his pine trees (indeed, all of his trees) are very neatly trimmed to the trunk at about the 1.5 meter level, which is about as tall as a goat standing on it's back legs. I agree with the parent poster - If a goat won't eat this stuff, it's gotta be pretty badass.

      But, if it burns hot, sounds like it might work well as a biofuel.

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    33. Re:The perfect weed? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Their lips and tongues have amazing dexterity.

      This explains so much about the rumors I've heard of backwater mountain areas.

    34. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goats are too cute.

    35. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out here on the opposite coast, another kind of weed is flourishing.

      Smoking a bit too much knotweed? The opposite coast from Alabama? Arctic Ocean? Hudson Bay? How's the surf?

    36. Re:The perfect weed? by ozbird · · Score: 1

      It's harder to cook right, because of the low fat content ...

      That's a selling point for wild goat in Australia: "a lean alternative to lamb." (I bought it because it's a feral pest.)

      It's best cooked low and slow with moisture. I'm trying Slow Cooker Goat "Bourguignon" tomorrow; goat curry is great, too.

    37. Re:The perfect weed? by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      I've seen a goat eating a blackberry

      That made me laugh until I finished the sentence. And I saw a goat eating an iPhone bush.

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    38. Re:The perfect weed? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      --(I bought it because it's a feral pest.)--

      Interesting, you have the docile lamb, and the hard to tame (to say the least) goat. People in the US will not eat it for some stupid reason that I fail to understand.

      The CongoBongo Grass or whatever it's called is said to be disliked by even goats. Goats also don't eat the roots of kudzu and from what I have heard unless you stop those you can't get rid of that either. Of course if you had goats cover the area for a long period of time, you want want that grass back. The biggest thing about that I haven't heard anyone mention is the fire hazard.

      Speaking of weeds and Australia. In Florida Eucalyptus is considered a weed or at least it was by us.

    39. Re:The perfect weed? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      They can strip the leaves off blackberry bushes while avoiding the stickers

      It's those goaty prehensile lips of theirs.

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    40. Re:The perfect weed? by Eccles · · Score: 1

      The only goat I've ever had seemed like it had a high proportion of bone, grisle, etc. for a given amount of goat meat. Is this typical or was it just a cheap cut?

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    41. Re:The perfect weed? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Saw an empty lot being cleared of trees and kudzu. They had to go down around 8' and pull out the main kudzu root that was over 10' long. Looked like a giant carrot made out of wood. Without that, woulda' had kudzu coming up through the parking lot and new building they were gonna' put in.

      Still, Chinese use some part of it as a medicine.

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    42. Re:The perfect weed? by oatworm · · Score: 1

      I found some goat at a Sak 'N Save in the shady part of town back in the day - since it was dirt cheap ($1/pound or thereabouts), I used it as a steady source of meat during college. The kicker is that it was also labeled in Spanish, so I think you have to go to ethnic stores to find it. That said, I'd say your assessment is spot on - it's definitely not something you're going to make a steak out of.

    43. Re:The perfect weed? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Goat is fantastic. More flavorful than beef and less 'gamey' than lamb. There's a place here in Richmond called 'The Jerk Pit' that does a mean curried goat.

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    44. Re:The perfect weed? by xgr3gx · · Score: 1

      Any way to use the awful weeds for creating biofuel, or textiles?
      Grows like crazy, grows anywhere. If it could be controlled, it would be great to harvest for useful stuff .

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    45. Re:The perfect weed? by Kartoffel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pound for pound, goats also produce milk more efficiently than dairy cattle. That reminds me, I've got some goat ribs in the freezer I've been meaning to cook up.

    46. Re:The perfect weed? by cowscows · · Score: 1

      I just spent about an hour reading your blog instead of working. It's very interesting and often amusing. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

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    47. Re:The perfect weed? by phatlipmojo · · Score: 1

      And it makes a delicious curry.
      Think I might go out for some goat tonight. Thanks for mentioning it.

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    48. Re:The perfect weed? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but many people who are lactose intolerant are able to have goat's milk/cheese without problems.

    49. Re:The perfect weed? by gunnk · · Score: 1

      For me in NC it's now Japanese Stiltgrass that's the big problem:

      http://www.nps.gov/plants/ALIEN/fact/mivi1.htm

      The deer don't eat it, so they've moved into suburbia and wrecked everyone's yard (and the occasional car). However, the deer do walk through it and spread the seeds. If you mow it, it flowers earlier and seeds. If you pull it, the disturbed ground gives the seeds an advantage. And the seeds? They can germinate up to five years after they're produced. About the only solution is to spray. Often. :-(

      When I was a kid the woodland floor was brown. Now broad areas are green.

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    50. Re:The perfect weed? by twakar · · Score: 1

      All this talk about his goats, and not a single goatse comment... are we losing our touch?

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    51. Re:The perfect weed? by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      Too bad you didn't get video of you vs the goat. I say you challenge the goat in a fight to the death.

    52. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also thought that BC only had the stuff for medical cases? You gotta wonder why just one guy would need tons of this stuff?

      He never said it was the #1 LEGAL export...

    53. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here.

    54. Re:The perfect weed? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Be sure to pull it before it seeds.

      Early and often.

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    55. Re:The perfect weed? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Get some goats, they eat kudzu roots and all.

      Cogongrass would win.

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    56. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I eat a lot of goat. Grew up in Africa and got the taste for it. Marinated and grilled, it is a really tasty meat. Tasty! Goes well with cold beer and fried plantains. God, makes me hungry just thinking about it...

    57. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a terrorist attack :O

    58. Re:The perfect weed? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the concrete and roller skates.

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    59. Re:The perfect weed? by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      The CSIRO does So Many excellent things (did you know you can sign up on one of their websites to be able to do free phone polling, they'll generate a website which will track the number of phone calls or texts to specific numbers they setup, all free), and yet they never got proper funding, and could probably do yet More really sweet stuff if we gave them a chance.

    60. Re:The perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure? I've seen "my goatse" here for quite some time.

    61. Re:The perfect weed? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      All this talk about his goats, and not a single goatse comment... are we losing our touch?

      Eh, too easy.

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    62. Re:The perfect weed? by adf92343414 · · Score: 1

      Great blog. One problem - your form handler is broken, so I couldn't post a question on the blog. I was wondering what state you were in, so that I could estimate the cost of keeping goats over the winter in northern VT.

    63. Re:The perfect weed? by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      I'll take a look at the form handler...which needed work anyway. Thanks for pointing that out.

      It depends on how long you have snow on the ground, if you have a barn, if you bail your own hay or buy it and if you buy it, square bales or round. Lot of variables. Rolled hay is cheaper than square bales but you have to keep the hay dry and the goats from climbing on it. And a tractor if you're going to move it very far. I could save a lot on feed costs by buying rolled corn in bulk instead of bags of 12% sweet feed. A grain bin would be a good investment if you're going to have more than 10 or 20.

      I generally don't bunk hay until well into November, until the fallen tree leaves either rot or the goats clean them up. The good news is around here (western, TN) is right about then the wild onion and cool weather weeds start coming up. They do love wild onion. You can tell when they've been eating it, they'll come up and give you a big onion burp. Woooo.

      If they have access to any kind of evergreens, they'll graze on those. But if you have pine stands, they'll kill smaller trees if you leave them out there. I've seen them browse pine leaves preferably, even when they have options. It's really weird to watch them. They'll ignore a certain type of plant for weeks, then one day they'll clean it all out and move on to something else.

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    64. Re:The perfect weed? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Aye, we hates teh knotweed. I once dug a bunch of roots up and left them in a covered trash can in an unheated metal building in the winter. The shoots grew 6' tall and pushed the lid off. I fought the stuff for six years on that property -- the former owner *planted* it because he thought it was bamboo.

    65. Re:The perfect weed? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Are these the folks who decided it was a nifty idea to import cane toads?

    66. Re:The perfect weed? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      They used to do far more but the Australian Neocons keep stripping it down each time they come into power, why, most heinous crime of all, they kept giving away the publicly funded technologies to the Australian public that funded it, instead of selling it for cents on the dollar to corrupt corporations who could then screw over the people that funded it with 1000 percent profit margins for decades.

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    67. Re:The perfect weed? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      No CSIRO is the department that was created to ensure stupid mistakes did no occur like that ever again. The were the response, to knee jerk quick fix capitalism. The Australian Bureau of Sugar Experimental Stations were the people who failed to undertake a proper scientific study, of course 1935 was a long time ago, so you can't be that harsh on them either. Really rather juvenile to try and blame the CSIRO scientists 0f 2009 for what happened over 70 years ago.

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    68. Re:The perfect weed? by sandGorgons · · Score: 1

      Goat is used interchangeably with mutton (sheep) in Indian cooking - as curries or (minced) as kebabs

      Try indian goat curries and save the planet !

    69. Re:The perfect weed? by 4phun · · Score: 1

      Two points

      GOAT

      Muslims and all people from the Caribbean eat goat, so Atlanta should be a great market for goat meat.

      KUDZU

      The Japanese dug down up to fifty feet to get Kudzu roots to live on after the two nuclear attacks. The kudzu roots survived the attack!

      I understand it is similar to eating potato, french fried kudzu anyone?

    70. Re:The perfect weed? by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      it's just real hard to put up with their temperament sometimes, and the smell

      Temperament I'll give you but there is hardly any smell, unless you run mature males in your herd. Most people don't for that very reason. When the boys are about 3 months old, they get a castration band and never develop that musky smell intact males get around breeding season. I used to run a billy in our herd and he was the only source of any noticeable odor, except for a slight ammonia smell in their rain shelter. Don't keep any intact males and you can have an odor free herd.

      and not to eat just a dumb eating machine like a goat.

      You definitely haven't been around goats if you think they're dumb. In many countries goats live indoors with the family and are house broken, just like dogs. Goats are alert, curious and very intelligent creatures. I'd put them close to the dogs on the intelligence scale, although they're clever in different ways.

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    71. Re:The perfect weed? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      --You definitely haven't been around goats if you think they're dumb. In many countries goats live indoors with the family and are house broken, just like dogs. Goats are alert, curious and very intelligent creatures. I'd put them close to the dogs on the intelligence scale, although they're clever in different ways.--

      We'll not much and I don't want to be. It's funny you mentioned this but I had an acquaintance that had one as a pet without the smell and so on. It did in fact smell less bad but it was still bad. Define: housebroke?

      That goat would do it's business outside, but was mean as crap especially if you turned your back. We'll I don't know if you would call it mean or clever or neither.

      In the summer here 1 guy I know has a herd and the stink could be smelled inside your car driving by with the windows up and the air on. So he must have had a male somewhere. That was worse.

      The other smell is there, but you are used to it and don't notice, but like you say I haven't been around them that much, but what time that I have maybe has formed a slanted opinion of the work involved in raising them as far as I would know.

    72. Re:The perfect weed? by emilper · · Score: 1

      cheap cut ...

    73. Re:The perfect weed? by emilper · · Score: 1

      nah, those trolls are vegan, won't even read about meat.

    74. Re:The perfect weed? by emilper · · Score: 1

      capitalism first

      ... I think the company that got the "war on weeds" contract is just a good example of corporate welfare ... from what I see from here http://www.cogongrass.org/ it "takes over" only the "ecosystems" from farm fields and "along highways, fences, and around water bodies", besides being able to survive in other sunny and well watered places. Does not seem at all to be a "end of the world as we know it" weed, just a normal grass that might bother farmers until a good enough herbicide is found.

      How about this is quite an exaggeration ? Goats don't touch it ? Then why "Young inflorescences and shoots may be eaten cooked, and the roots contain starch and sugars and are therefore easy to chew." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperata_cylindrica ) ? If humans can eat parts of it, then goats will have no problem.

      Serrated edges, silica embedded in the leaves ... how is different from other grasses ? How is it different from wheat, for example, or from maize (you can get nasty cuts from running in a maize field), or from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agropyron_repens, which is also "invasive in some parts of the world", has deep roots and rhizomes and was a bitch for crops for hundreds of years?

      Next autumn news: invasion of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_clover

    75. Re:The perfect weed? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Is there anything goats can't fix?

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  2. Kudzu by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nice.

    I'll have to plant some of that inbetween the patches of kudzu.

    Now I only need a face-eater and I'll finally have a respectable death-world themed garden.

    1. Re:Kudzu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not unless the garden is taken care of by a windows-powered killer bot.

    2. Re:Kudzu by aitala · · Score: 1

      Well the real question is which is going to win out, Kudzu, cogongrass, or crown vetch....

      Dr. E

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    3. Re:Kudzu by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      In my experience, other successional species generally have a good shot at breaking through crown vetch and establishing a new plant community.

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    4. Re:Kudzu by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      Three weeds enter, one weed leaves.

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  3. Killing is so 1940's by noundi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mutate it to bring forth a strain which is tasty, and make those genes dominant. In 50 years time the goats will come around.

    Alternatively mutate goats to have no sense of taste.

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    1. Re:Killing is so 1940's by MjDelves · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mutate it to bring forth a strain which is tasty, and make those genes dominant. In 50 years time the goats will come around. Alternatively mutate goats to have no sense of taste.

      ..... but then it won't spread so fast cos it's busy being eaten, and so unmutated strain will outcompete it leaving you back at square one.... Anything that is so undiscriminating about what it eats will probably eat everything else, posing another problem.

    2. Re:Killing is so 1940's by noundi · · Score: 2

      Mutate it to bring forth a strain which is tasty, and make those genes dominant. In 50 years time the goats will come around. Alternatively mutate goats to have no sense of taste.

      ..... but then it won't spread so fast cos it's busy being eaten, and so unmutated strain will outcompete it leaving you back at square one.... Anything that is so undiscriminating about what it eats will probably eat everything else, posing another problem.

      If it was evolution, yes, but one could simply "spread the seeds."

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    3. Re:Killing is so 1940's by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Genetic alteration to make inedible things food (oh, sorry, got that backwards -- make food inedible) is so 1970s.

      We've got to figure out how to turn this stuff into biodiesel.

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    4. Re:Killing is so 1940's by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 1

      If it was evolution, yes, but one could simply "spread the seeds."

      Exactly. Spread the seeds for the weak strain, and then kill off the strong strain so that the seeds can grow without competition, and before long the strong strain will have been completely eliminated!

    5. Re:Killing is so 1940's by lubricated · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not how it works. Just because the gene is dominant, doesn't mean that it will spread.

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    6. Re:Killing is so 1940's by noundi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Genetic alteration to make inedible things food (oh, sorry, got that backwards -- make food inedible) is so 1970s.

      We've got to figure out how to turn this stuff into biodiesel.

      Ah but you didn't let me finish. Here, let me explain by using this simple profit flow chart:

      1. Mutate weed to create new and tasty weed, with dominant genes.
      2. Spread it and wait until all bases are belong to them.
      3. Commence operation goat rollout.
      4. Turn goat into biodiesel.
      5. Profit!

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    7. Re:Killing is so 1940's by noundi · · Score: 1

      That's not how it works. Just because the gene is dominant, doesn't mean that it will spread.

      [whisper]It was a joke. Try to enjoy it.[/whisper]

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    8. Re:Killing is so 1940's by lubricated · · Score: 1

      it was way too sophisticated for me.

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    9. Re:Killing is so 1940's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah but you didn't let me finish.

      What? Did he reach over and hit "Preview", "Submit" before you were done typing your post? Oh my...

    10. Re:Killing is so 1940's by svtdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So basically, all we need to do is go into our local music store, and get a list of everyone who's bought the latest Brittany Spears CD, or look into the DMV records for everyone who's ever owned, say, a Pontiac Aztec, or a Scion xB, or go out and buy a few seasons of What Not to Wear on DVD and look up the participants, and go on a door-knocking campaign.

      "Excuse me sir/ma'am: can we get a sample of your DNA? We're collecting specimens to breed a goat that has no taste, and clearly, your genes would be of use to us."

    11. Re:Killing is so 1940's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cellulosic Ethanol

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol

    12. Re:Killing is so 1940's by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Why not engineer it to be infertile after a generation, much like that monsanto corn. Pollinate wild strains with the modified pollen, and crowd out the native stuff. Next season you'll have much less wild type plant to combat.

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    13. Re:Killing is so 1940's by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We've got to figure out how to turn this stuff into biodiesel.

      And while were at it, let's rename this weed to Tiberium.

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    14. Re:Killing is so 1940's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say kill it with fire!

    15. Re:Killing is so 1940's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really think seedlings are going to be able to compete with established plants?

    16. Re:Killing is so 1940's by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, we don't hate you for that. We're not ALL bourgeois Sartre reading bohemians. ta ha ha, I say!

      (note: Previous sentence may or may not make sense. Too lazy to look up various B-words)

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  4. Disappointed by celibate+for+life · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had an entirely different thing in mind when I read "the perfect weed".

    1. Re:Disappointed by ElephanTS · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah right me too! Nothing about the smokability and I RTFA!!

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    2. Re:Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      yeah about that, i think it would be cheaper to make a breed that IS smokable have them crosspolenize, and in a few years it will be gone :)

    3. Re:Disappointed by plams · · Score: 1, Informative

      I reached the Wikipedia article on Imperata cylindrica, saw the "Weed problems" section and thought, "..slang is usually rejected by the sta... oooohhh, that kind of weed!"

    4. Re:Disappointed by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had an entirely different thing in mind when I read "the perfect weed".

      Don't worry, they've been waging a decades-long war against that one too. Maybe they'll have more success against this one...

    5. Re:Disappointed by laughing_badger · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Man, that is flagrant false advertising!" :)

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    6. Re:Disappointed by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      But therein lies the solution. Get Monsanto to genetically modify pollen from the plant to include huge quantities of THC. Release pollen into the wild. As the THC levels in the plants rise, tell the stoners that pot may be illegal but this stuff isn't even on the radar. Inform Frito-Lay to ramp up production. Then I guess I'll just stick a few ???'s in here and declare profit!

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    7. Re:Disappointed by eulernet · · Score: 1

      I read "Obama Wages War Against the Perfect Weed".

    8. Re:Disappointed by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      But therein lies the solution. Get Monsanto to genetically modify pollen from the plant to include huge quantities of THC. Release pollen into the wild. As the THC levels in the plants rise, tell the stoners that pot may be illegal but this stuff isn't even on the radar. Inform Frito-Lay to ramp up production. Then I guess I'll just stick a few ???'s in here and declare profit!

      In this case, the ??? is for Monsanto to sue stoners under DMCA for smoking unlicensed GM super-weed.

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    9. Re:Disappointed by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Hell, brew up a strain that holds THC and I'll spread it in my neighbourhood, so I can then volunteer to help cleaning it up.

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    10. Re:Disappointed by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      No, just schwag.

    11. Re:Disappointed by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      yeah about that, i think it would be cheaper to make a breed that IS smokable have them crosspolenize, and in a few years it will be gone :)

      Once you splice in those genes & they become dominant, just book the Grateful Dead & Willie Nelson to a series of concerts in the area.

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    12. Re:Disappointed by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      But therein lies the solution. Get Monsanto to genetically modify pollen from the plant to include huge quantities of THC. Release pollen into the wild. As the THC levels in the plants rise, tell the stoners that pot may be illegal but this stuff isn't even on the radar. Inform Frito-Lay to ramp up production. Then I guess I'll just stick a few ???'s in here and declare profit!

      In this case, the ??? is for Monsanto to sue stoners under DMCA for smoking unlicensed GM super-weed.

      Better yet, invest in Frito-Lay & 7-11's.

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    13. Re:Disappointed by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Obama seeks this universe's ultimate cup of coffee! Black!!

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    14. Re:Disappointed by Omestes · · Score: 1

      A Ziltoid reference, really?

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  5. The Perfect Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, can one smoke it?

  6. Perfect crime/terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Genetically engineer a variante of that grass that is resistant to herbicides and infest your "favorite" competitor's/enemy's fields.

    Criminials and terrorists these days are all about the quick short term damages. Nobody thinks about long term, sustainable damage these days. *sigh* Amateurs!

    1. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody thinks about long term, sustainable damage these days.

      Don't fear, the US government has your interests at heart on the war against we the people.

    2. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you'll end up in the same situation. What, do you think the invasive grass will simply stop at your neighbor's borders?

    3. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm fairly confident that it'll take some time for it to cross the American-Afghan border ;-).

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    4. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by phoenix321 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Grass meet vehicle undercarriage, boots, wheels etc. Equipment, meet grass.

      If there's any soldier from Alabama over there in Afghanistan - and I bet there's more than one or two, I guess - then the weed will already be there.

      Afghanistan is still busy eradicating several other pests, so that weed is not on the priority list yet. After all, it helps against soil erosion, is pretty durable and could make Afghanistan look much greener than today. Maybe it's not so bad when the current status is naked soil everywhere beyond the horizon...

    5. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Dur, if the weed was as contagious as you claim then it would be all over the USA already. So obviously it's not. Hence your point is moot.

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    6. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Don't even think of this. In the first half of 1950s, East Europe took for granted that the invasion of Leptinotarsa decemlineata that took place at that time was the evil work of American imperialists and their agents, even though there certainly was no positive proof of that. On the Internet, there is a scan of a cute public notice from that time signed by a "Regional Commisioner for Erradicating the American Beetle". There were even educational books for the kids, which were a little less cute.

      So if you say things like this, when the crops fail in North Korea due to some strange weed next time, for all you know, the next day a North Korean nuke might land on the top of your head. ;-)

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    7. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by sqldr · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm ahead of you there. A couple of years ago, I photoshopped the words "OH HAI" on a picture of a kitten, and now we're already seeing the results of my work.. the complete destruction of the entire English language is already nigh.

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    8. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Genetically engineer a variante of that grass that is resistant to herbicides and infest your "favorite" competitor's/enemy's fields.

      And then take your enemy to court for violating your patent

    9. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      I be hidingz in ur bedroom
      I bringz baseball bat to ur face

    10. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by Entropius · · Score: 1

      Alabama has an incredibly friendly climate to things like this. It's never snowbound in winter, and average annual rainfall is 52 inches.

    11. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I flew over Afghanistan in 1999 before all the present trouble started, and what I wondered afterwards is what the people there actually eat. The only sign of green was in the river valleys, the hill and mountain areas looked as bare as the moon. Of course, at maybe 35,000 feet I would probably only be seeing a swathe of countryside maybe 20 or 30 miles wide, so maybe there was some incredibly geen stuff just over the horizon, but I didn't get that impression. For comparison, I have also flown over a route that took me over Salt Lake City and on to LA...lots of desert there, but Afghanistan looked bleaker.

      So maybe something that would grow there would be a welcome change!

    12. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by emilper · · Score: 1

      The "Colorado bugs" ... used to be a big issue, but it's no longer true; they're still here, munching on potato leaves and sometimes nibbling at tomato or eggplant leaves, but there are pesticides that are just right for them ... no need to get town folk out in the fields to collect them, like it was done in the '50s. Even some birds got to like their taste ... the pheasants if I remember well.

    13. Re:Perfect crime/terrorism by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      I think it probably is. It's may just not overgrowing all ecosystems at the same speed, maybe not at all.

  7. fuel source candidate by La+Gris · · Score: 3, Funny

    If it can be processed as fuel and ever spread to Michigan.. "Hey GM, fuel comes to you!"

    Alternatively, an army of junk weed smoker could eradicate it better than goats.

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    1. Re:fuel source candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me fail English? That's unpossible!

    2. Re:fuel source candidate by tkg · · Score: 1

      The article states that it "burns extremely hot". It seems that one could mow it, dry it and pelletize it for use as a fuel in pellet stoves at the very least. Better than cutting down trees for fuel. I wonder what the BTU density is?

  8. Turn in into advantage ! by Gori · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it is that resilient and fast growing, you will not be able to control it anyhow. Many, many examples of invasive species throughout the world show this. So, just learn how to harvest it and make biodiesel/biogas/electricity out of it. No intensive agriculture, ferilizers or herbicides needed. Plus, this might piss off the corn/ethanol lobby enough to actually start taking action against the grass. Ether way, we win. Oh yeah, biodiversity losses, but that is shafted anyway...

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    1. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No intensive agriculture, ferilizers or herbicides needed.

      So basically you are proposing something that will be stopped by Monsanto and their ilk, before it leaves the planning stage. Right now they use herbicides from Monsanto. That's how lobbyists want it to be.

    2. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by digitalhermit · · Score: 5, Funny

      I understand that there is a species of lizard that feasts on this grass. Maybe that is an option.

    3. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by jimicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I understand that there is a species of lizard that feasts on this grass. Maybe that is an option.

      And the introduce Chinese Needle Snakes when you're overrun with lizards, yes?

    4. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Didn't TFS say that this weed burns unusually hot? Sounds perfect for a fuel source.

    5. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Gori · · Score: 3, Informative

      That has been tried a number of times, and each time ended in a epic fail. For a case study, talk to any Aussie about Rabbits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia or about the cane toad see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad

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    6. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by don_carnage · · Score: 1

      But then we'll need something to eat the lizards!

    7. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      And the introduce Chinese Needle Snakes when you're overrun with lizards, yes?

      And when you're overrun with Chinese Needle Snakes, introduce more Chinese fast food restaurants.

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    8. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by arielCo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thing is, it does a lot more damage than the dreaded corn plantations:

      ECOLOGICAL THREAT Cogon grass can invade and overtake disturbed ecosystems, forming a dense mat of thatch and leaves that makes it nearly impossible for other plants to coexist. Large infestations of cogon grass can alter the normal fire regime of a fire-driven ecosystem by causing more frequent and intense fires that injure or destroy native plants. Cogon grass displaces a large variety of native plant species used by native animals (e.g., insects, mammals, and birds) as forage, host plants and shelter. Some ground-nesting species have also been known to be displaced due to the dense cover that cogon grass creates.

      Also, it won't just stay together in a patch but it reaches out. WP dixit:

      It spreads both through small seeds, which are easily carried by the wind, and rhizomes which can be transported by tilling equipment and in soil transport.

      Nasty thing.

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    9. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or goats or horses or camels or rats or or or...

      Maybe Australia should return the favour - Kangaroos in Kansas, Emus in Iowa

    10. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by jimicus · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, you introduce gorillas. They thrive on snake meat.

    11. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by mpe · · Score: 1

      If it is that resilient and fast growing, you will not be able to control it anyhow. Many, many examples of invasive species throughout the world show this. So, just learn how to harvest it and make biodiesel/biogas/electricity out of it.

      It apparently burns even when green. So using it to fuel a powerstation is the most obvious use.
      BR> No intensive agriculture, ferilizers or herbicides needed.

      Considering how much herbicide is needed to kill it it's only a matter of time before resistance evolves.

    12. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by slinks · · Score: 0

      But then we'll need something to eat the lizards!

      then we get snake eating gorillas and let winter take care of the rest!

    13. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      OK, OK, the China fast foods come after the gorillas...

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    14. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Fotherington · · Score: 3, Informative

      Looking at the Wikipedia article, both your examples involve vertebrates, which are definitely a bad idea (it also mentions the introduction of mongooses to Hawaii). Biological pest control using e.g. insects, or fungi targetting the undesirable species can work very effectively if research is put in to make sure that the native species won't be affected.

    15. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens to the Gorillas when winter comes?

    16. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Wild+Wizard · · Score: 1

      That has been tried a number of times, and each time ended in a epic fail. For a case study, talk to any Aussie about Rabbits or about the cane toad

      The irony here is this is a native grass in Australia and as such a protected species.

      This will teach the Americans a lesson for sending us bullfrogs.

    17. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by mbcrui · · Score: 2, Interesting
    18. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      Wild rabbits were introduced into Australia by an English toff to provide anglophilic sport, not as a bio-control measure. "The introduction of a few rabbits could do little harm and might provide a touch of home, in addition to a spot of hunting."

      Australia has had a number of successes in biological control of introduced pests. The obsession with cane-toads is due to the lack of examples of that kind of failure.

      The real failure of bio-control in Australia is our lack of follow through. Take RCV, for example. It dramatically reduced rabbit numbers, but we didn't follow it with a dedicated "extinction" program. We only introduce a follow-up when the pest develops resistance to the last control.

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    19. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, no, you see, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

    20. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by SimonGhent · · Score: 1

      What happens to the Gorillas when winter comes?

      They turn into brass monkeys.

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    21. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by SimonGhent · · Score: 1

      forming a dense mat of thatch

      Nobody want to see that.

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    22. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by kauttapiste · · Score: 1

      Which makes it all the easier for the chinese fast food places to utilize the gorillas! Just like pulling them straight out of a freezer, brilliant!

    23. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by BudVVeezer · · Score: 1

      It's also been tried many times and succeeded, as just about any entomologist can point out.

    24. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That funky monkey?

    25. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by sp0tter · · Score: 1

      I understand that there is a species of lizard that feasts on this grass. Maybe that is an option.

      And the introduce Chinese Needle Snakes when you're overrun with lizards, yes?

      following the in their foot steps, we unleash wave after wave of gorilla to exterminate the snakes...

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    26. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BUT IT GIVES PEOPLE JOBS!

    27. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has been tried a number of times, and each time ended in a epic fail. For a case study, talk to any Aussie about Rabbits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia or about the cane toad see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad

      Were either of those as bad as the introduction of Australians er, em, crime oriented British expats to Australia?

    28. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Humans have a history of destroying environments. The was a show about the US 1930s dust bowl on last week, and I was surprised to find that it was caused by humans.

      Certain grasses had evolved to be highly resistant to drought, and those plants' roots held the soil. The area was massively tilled and planted with wheat and other crops, which was all good until a drought hit. With none of the native drought resistant grasses holding the soil down, it simply blew away. Worse, the airborn dirt itself changed weather patterns and exacerbated the problem. Much of the area is still desert.

    29. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

      Intergalactic?

    30. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Kartoffel · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points I'd give this whole thread +1, Reductio ad Simpsonum

    31. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      Just as with foxes ("they'll keep the rabbit numbers down surely, and not eat all those native species who aren't used to hiding from them") and cane toads ("surely this ground-based creature without a bug-catching tongue will be able to catch and eat insects which live at the top of the stalks"), British Scientists (or at least the politicians/administrators who made such decisions, with or withour scientists) have a Lot to answer for in Australia. Altough the introduction of Camels wasn't Such a bad idea, we're now exporting them to the Middle East. The feral horses, water buffalo, cats (which grow to larger sizes, eat Anything, are Damn good at hiding, and have spread to literally every place possible in the country), foxes, rabbits, cane toads, lantana (a horribly fast-growing spiky weed), privet (a hedge-bush which went Wild), have all had horrible impacts on Australia.

    32. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by 4phun · · Score: 1



      <quote><p>And the introduce Chinese Needle Snakes when you're overrun with lizards, yes?</p></quote>

      <p>And when you're overrun with Chinese Needle Snakes, introduce more Chinese fast food restaurants.</p></quote>

      And then you will be overrun with Chinese!

    33. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could also look at the Prickly Pear in Australia. It became an extraordinarily invasive weed that spread devastatingly fast and wiped out tens of thousands of square miles of land.

      A moth whose larvae eat it was introduced in a desperate attempt to control the rate of spread and it worked so well that it virtually eradicated the infestations and is regarded as both the best example of an invasive species and biological control.

    34. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      (Oops, bit late, I haven't been online...)

      None of your examples are biological control. Even foxes were introduced as sport, not to control the rabbits. The others are similarly introduced pests, intended for farming/gardening/pets. Australia has a pretty good record for biological controls (cane toads notwithstanding), but while the biologists get their stuff right, there tends to be a lack of political will to finish the job.

      The same is probably true for global vaccination programs. We get close to eliminating something, then back off the last step. (Smallpox being the counter-example)

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    35. Re:Turn in into advantage ! by sjames · · Score: 1

      Kudzu was a "miracle solution" to soil erosion...

  9. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by milosoftware · · Score: 4, Funny

    Having seen goats chewing happily on pieces of clothing and other garbage, mutating goats to have no sense of taste sounds to me like mutating rabbits to have long ears. (I was planning to write something slightly different but less suited for small children and Americans here.)

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  10. Combatting Congress by RivenAleem · · Score: 2, Funny

    I totally read this as

    "Congress, a.k.a. the perfect weed"

    1. Re:Combatting Congress by selven · · Score: 1

      Cogongrass is the opposite of... prongrass?

    2. Re:Combatting Congress by Caue · · Score: 1

      or pr0ngrass?

    3. Re:Combatting Congress by selven · · Score: 1

      That was... the whole point of my comment.

    4. Re:Combatting Congress by Caue · · Score: 1

      your are... absolutelly correct.

      I ended up just making it more "4chan" (as if that was a good thing)

  11. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having seen goats chewing happily on pieces of clothing and other garbage, mutating goats to have no sense of taste sounds to me like mutating rabbits to have long ears. (I was planning to write something slightly different but less suited for small children and Americans here.)

    I... don't get it.

  12. Perhaps Useful? Biomass to fuel? by assemblerex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can this voracious weed perhaps be turned into biofuel? It seems to grow fast, and almost anywhere.
    Why not grind it up and compost it to make methane or something.

    1. Re:Perhaps Useful? Biomass to fuel? by tokul · · Score: 1

      Can this voracious weed perhaps be turned into biofuel?

      I am not biofuel engineer, but I think you can't efficiently turn any plant into fuel. If plant does not pack big amounts of carbohydrates, you might lose more energy than you get.

  13. Japanese Knot Weed by buggy_throwback · · Score: 5, Informative

    We have the same problem in the UK with Japanese Knot Weed. Nothing eats it, it can respawn from the smallest cutting. So you can't burn it, you can't throw it away, you can only poison it. And each stem has to be done individually, and the process needs to be repeated two or three times to kill the bloody thing. They're talking about introducing some japanese insects that feed on it, but then what's to say they wont prefer strawberries or wheat or something else?

    1. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Its payback for all the blackberry homesick poms planted in Australia.

    2. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by Rigrig · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, eventually the gorillas simply freeze to death when wintertime rolls around.

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    3. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that there's another non-native invasive foreign specimen which has taken over Oz. And quite a few of you chose to go *jogging* in a dust storm. Hopefully Darwin will win again in this situation.

    4. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by dayjn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Four years ago, I did battle with Japanese Knot Weed in the back garden of a house we rented in Cambridge. I tried to kill it for two years by digging it up and applying weed killer. It was very resilient, but I was winning the battle before we left that house. This was a small area looked after by a pretty determined individual (me), I can't imagine what it would take to get rid of it from the the huge areas it occupies such as the valleys around Cardiff.

    5. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Why is jogging in a dust storm the best way of meeting people in Australia?

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    6. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by yabastaaa · · Score: 1

      Actually, we can eat it - when it's young and bright red, cut it and boil it like it's rhubarb. Not sure if it tastes good though!

      Also, it can be landfilled, but only in special sites, by appropriately-certified waste processors, where it'll be wrapped in several layers of thick plastic and buried more than seven metres underground. Any other means of disposal leaves you liable to be prosecuted for spreading a dangerous/controlled substance.

    7. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      it can respawn...

      I think that's enough video games for you.

    8. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just put Torchwood on the case; they'll take care of in.

    9. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a study I saw going on in Australia some years ago. There was some foreign weed, and CSIRO scientists were testing to see which native species the bugs that feed on it in it's native habitat would also like.

      It was quite an exhaustive study, because we all remember the cane toad. I saw it on Catalyst, so it's probably still siting in the archives somewhere.

    10. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      I give up, why?

    11. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Nuke the entire site from orbit.

      It's the only way to be sure.

    12. Re:Japanese Knot Weed by dayjn · · Score: 1

      Ha, I hope you're joking. Sad thing is that nukes probably wouldn't even do the job, it has spread so far and is so tough to kill.

  14. What's that you say? by unitron · · Score: 1

    The State of Alabama is spending millions of dollars in federal stimulus money to combat Congress?

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    1. Re:What's that you say? by machine321 · · Score: 1

      That hasn't happened since the '60s!

  15. strategy. by Mysund · · Score: 1

    The highway 80 strategy sounds good.

    But to make it evenmore successfull, imagine what the combination of the highway 80 accessabillity, and a "scientific report" that states that the smoke from burning the plant, contains hallucinogens, would do to the plant...

  16. Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by Atreide · · Score: 0

    In Evolution terms
    biologic systems fight for survival and propagation
    at this game
    that weed definitively is a winner
    which can also be problematic
    for earth overwhole winner : man.

    but don't panic
    Monsanto and its friends will
    surely find some genetic magic
    to kill that weed
    ooh by the way
    you'll have to pay
    not only to kill
    but also
    to protect from its return.

    finally
    genetic business is
    probably the Evolution winner...

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    1. Re:Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BURMA SHAVE

    2. Re:Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 1

      Nah, Monsanto will just patent the plant and then sue the states with the weed

    3. Re:Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by Hyler · · Score: 1

      your poem doesn't
      rhyme and isn't a five-se
      ven-five haiku either eh

      Don't use the return key so much and use the shift key and punctuation some more.

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    4. Re:Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burma shave.

    5. Re:Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      He was typing that from a VIC-20, you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by bronney · · Score: 1

      you made a mistake

      "ven-five haiku either eh"

      isn't five you noob

        ^_^

    7. Re:Hello Darwin, Hi Monsanto by Atreide · · Score: 1

      2 years ago
      a study on reading
      have shown cutting sentences
      is much more efficient

      this was published on /.
      but i lost the article

      btw this is no poem

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  17. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by RuBLed · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's like mutating your usual Ford and GM SUV to have more low-fuel indicator lights.

  18. Nuke it from orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the only way to be sure.

  19. Sounds a lot like Kudzu by mbone · · Score: 4, Informative

    This sounds a lot like Kudzu - another plant brought over from Japan.

    From TFA "For a while, government officials encouraged the use of cogongrass as a forage crop and as a way to stem soil erosion."

    We did that with Kudzu too. What's with these agricultural guys promoting alien species they clearly know nothing about ?

    Although, if nothing wants to eat it, why promote it as a forage crop ? That does suggest that some animal must like it. There must be some reason why the South of Japan is not one mass of Kudzu and cogongrass.

    1. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by juggledean · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can eat kudzu leaves as salad or boiled greens. Goats will eat it as well.

    2. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There must be some reason why the South of Japan is not one mass of Kudzu and cogongrass.

      Both kudzu and cogongrass grow wildly from the northern tip to the southern end of Japan. (I live near the northern tip.) Find an open field, and there's cogongrass. It used to be used for the roofs of houses, so you needed lots and lots of it, which was quite convenient. Right now it just grows wild in whatever unattended plot there is. Mostly along rivers.

      I think the difference is that there are other species that fight for space. A lot of Japanese weeds spread through root systems. As a result, there's a bit of a balance, which is lacking in the South U.S. Just don't try introducing ANOTHER alien species to try and achieve balance, it will just lead to other problems that disturb the ecosystem. We've got plenty of that too. A European bumble bee brought to pollinate tomatoes has gone wild and is now crowding out the native type, American cray fish are crowding out natives in certain areas (I say just eat 'em!), and so on so forth...

    3. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by Tom · · Score: 2, Funny

      There must be some reason why the South of Japan is not one mass of Kudzu and cogongrass.

      The reason is called "evolution". If you have it around long enough, animals will adapt to eat it. If nothing else works, they will during the first starvation period.

      If you introduce it to a new ecosystem, you have to wait for a few ten-thousand years or so before that happens. Clearly, the governor is not a patient man.

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    4. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

      There must be some reason why the South of Japan is not one mass of Kudzu and cogongrass.

      There's a reason but I don't think you're gonna like it.

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    5. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just don't try introducing ANOTHER alien species to try and achieve balance, it will just lead to other problems that disturb the ecosystem

      I'm not sure what this "balance" thing is that people keep on talking about. It's as if they believe that ecosystems without humans are in some kind of stable equilibrium, which is bizarre and counter-factual. Not only do new species show up now and then without human intervention, environmental conditions change, and species-interactions occur, that prevent anything remotely resembling stability beyond the very basic level required for the moderately long-term persistance of life.

      It is certainly the case that any analysis of ecosystems that assumes general equilibrium as a starting point is going to miss almost everything important, like the pre-Darwinian gradualists who didn't understand that sudden, violent change was an important driver of geologic history.

      From a human, economic, point of view this weed is a pain. From nature's point of view--assuming it had one--this weed is a success, and the more rapidly it extends its range the more successful it will be. If you value ecosystemic "balance" then you should be rooting for the weed (as it were) because the sooner humans stop interfering with its spread the sooner a new quasi-equilibrium will be established. If, on the other hand, you are simply a conservative, and value the world as it is because that is the world you know, you should say so and argue on that basis, and not impute your conservative beliefs to some equilibrium principle that is false to fact.

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    6. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Maine is dealing with the same issue in our lakes with Eurasian Milfoil. Once it establishes in a lake or slow-moving stream, it's pretty much over unless you put a LOT of work into ripping it out and a lot of nasty chemicals into controlling it.

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    7. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by mbone · · Score: 1

      That's what I dislike about politicians - they are never willing to wait a few ten-thousand years or so for results !

    8. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by archangel9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quick! The ecosystem is out of balance! Humans, as a non-interfering species that have nothing to do with the current conditions of our existing ecosystem need to save it!

    9. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      There must be some reason why the South of Japan is not one mass of Kudzu and cogongrass.

      There is - the South of Japan is (relatively) cool and very mountainous. It's harder for plant to get a toehold and harder for them to spread widely. Meanwhile, the American South is warm and relatively flat - a virtual microwave oven for plant growth.

    10. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by FiloEleven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You raise a good point--that ecosystems are not static--but you're overlooking the amount of drastic change that can be introduced by humans. "Stable" is not "static" and need not be followed by "equilibrium." There are such things as "stable growth" and "stable markets," both of which imply some level of change.

      New species do colonize ecosystems without human intervention, but their introduction is generally gradual, through slow geographical expansion which results in their introduction to ecosystems related to the original. What we have here is much more akin to the sudden, violent change you mentioned, and that kind of change is the biggest threat to our species.

      If you value ecosystems' stability, you should be fighting the weed tooth and nail because to allow it to expand will quite possibly result in a violent change to the ecosystem that is bad for us. Saying, "Well it's already here, best to stop fighting it so it'll stabilize into a new ecosystem" is akin to saying, "Well, yes, we know we're causing climate change, but we should just go full steam ahead so the planet gets used to its new atmosphere."

    11. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by samkass · · Score: 1

      While you're correct that invasive species have always managed to travel without human help, humanity has accelerated the pace far beyond what could have been achieved through the natural distribution mechanism of these species. Jumping large bodies of water is possible but unlikely to happen very often. Upstream is usually slower than downstream. Existing forestation blocks light for new ground species. Wildfires clear out some species more than others, and stopping them upsets a balance there.

      Basically, yes, species invade. But humanity is turning the planet into a big melting pot, and homogeneity isn't very healthy from either a Darwinian point of view or for humanity in particular.

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    12. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by Tom · · Score: 1

      Which, of course, is a good argument for extending election periods... ;-)

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    13. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by radtea · · Score: 1

      If you value ecosystems' stability, you should be fighting the weed tooth and nail because to allow it to expand will quite possibly result in a violent change to the ecosystem that is bad for us

      I quite agree with this, and I think your response to my remarks is cogent. I was objecting to the almost mystical invocation of "balance" as a seemingly sacred property of ecosystems, whereas it really is nothing but a crude pragmatic concern over human economic interests.

      As a human with economic interests I'm all for having crude pragmatic concerns with them, but I'm not in favour of dressing up those crude pragmatic concerns in the cloak of "ecosystem balance" as if that was somehow a categorical good on all timescales.

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    14. Re:Sounds a lot like Kudzu by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      And the roots make an excellent form of tofu.

  20. Welcome to Michigan by retech · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank god something living is willing to move back into Michigan. There is hope to save this state!

    1. Re:Welcome to Michigan by Stele · · Score: 1

      Pecot says 'it could spread all the way to Michigan'

      Face it, Michigan is doomed. Good thing I live in Wisconsin.

    2. Re:Welcome to Michigan by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      "Left unchecked, Pecot says 'it could spread all the way to Michigan.'" ...where its heretofore unchecked growth will be stymied by crushing unemployment, deteriorating highways, crippling corruption in and around Detroit, and the disheartening realization that July is the only month out of the year that has never had a recorded snowfall.

      Failing that, we can always deploy Vernors against the weed. Nothing outside of Michigan can handle the pure sweet taste of eleven pounds of ginger crammed into a 20oz bottle. If things get bad we could also turn to Faygo.

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  21. green fuel by confused+one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aren't we supposed to all be about green energy these days? Pay someone to collect it. Shred and compress it into fuel pellets. Burn it to make heat or electricity.

    1. Re:green fuel by confused+one · · Score: 1

      You mean the CO2 that the grass pulled out of the atmosphere as it grew, in the first place?

    2. Re:green fuel by SBrach · · Score: 1

      Burning oil is releasing carbon that was sequestered millions of years ago. Burning this weed is releasing carbon that was taken out of the air a month ago. Killing it and letting it decompose would achieve the same results. Also, TFS states that it needs to be burned to be destroyed anyway.

    3. Re:green fuel by Caue · · Score: 1

      the equation is not 1=1 now is it?

    4. Re:green fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it is, where do you think the plant comes from?

    5. Re:green fuel by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

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    6. Re:green fuel by Caue · · Score: 1
      the equation is not 1=1 since the plant breath and the incomplete combustion seen on the powerplants.

      of course all the energy is there, but how much do we obtain and how much do we waste? that's the question.

    7. Re:green fuel by Shatrat · · Score: 2, Funny

      of course all the energy is there, but how much do we obtain and how much do we waste? that's the question.

      No, it wasn't.
      You brought up carbon emissions, which is by definition 1:1 since it is neither created or destroyed in a purely chemical process.
      Stop being wrong on the Internet.

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    8. Re:green fuel by Caue · · Score: 1

      i'm pretty damn sure I was talking about the whole process. unless you are a highschooler who still oversees air resistance in your physics classes, you should too.

    9. Re:green fuel by confused+one · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. Nothing is. Such is life under the laws of physics. In fact I'd expect there to be considerable energy expended just in the gathering and processing of the biomatter. But, if you look at the the post to which I replied, there seemed to be an assumption that burning the grass released CO2 and this was somehow worse than burning fossil fuels. I see they've been modded to -1 now; so, you might not have seen that.

      This is considered a invasive plant species, which needs to be controlled or eliminated. I was suggesting that instead of spraying herbicide on it, which has an energy cost in terms of raw materials, manufacturing and distribution, that you gather it and try to get some benefit out of the process by using it as fuel.

    10. Re:green fuel by confused+one · · Score: 1

      I agree with you 100%. However it's possible to use this as a way to sequester the carbon by burying it. Having said that, since you're travelling around to spray this stuff with herbicide... You might as well save the resources that went into making the herbicide, gather the weed "crop", and try to extract some benefit out of it by using it as a fuel or fuel supplement. That way you might offset some of the energy expended going to the site(s) in the first place.

    11. Re:green fuel by Green+Light · · Score: 1

      Stop being wrong on the Internets

      There, I fixed that for you

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    12. Re:green fuel by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Good idea, let's talk about the whole process;

      Step 1: Grass grows, absorbs x tons of CO2
      Step 2: Grass is harvested, energy usage reulting in y tons of CO2
      Step 3: Grass is burned, releasing (x-z) tons of CO2 back into the atmosphere, and producing m*z tons of ash.
      Step 4: ???
      Step 5: Profit!

      Ash is often used in the production of cement, which slowly releases CO2 over several years, so eventually x+y tons of CO2 are released back into the atmosphere. Assuming that z is greater than y, we've sequestered some carbon for some time. If not we've released y tons of carbon, so the question becomes whether or not y is greater or lesser than the amount of carbon released burning coal etc. to get the same amount of energy.

      YMMV

    13. Re:green fuel by Caue · · Score: 1

      Step 1: Grass grows, absorbs x tons of CO2 and thru breathing already emits some CO2

      Step 2: Grass is harvested, energy usage reulting in y tons of CO2

      Step 3: Grass is burned in a furnace, most often incompletely, releasing (x-z) tons of CO2 back into the atmosphere, and producing m*z tons of ash.

      Step 4: ???

      Step 5: Profit!

      Biological-based ash is used experimentally in the production of cement - most of the cement produced in the world is made of blast furnace slag, fly ash, volcanic ash, sources that already produce high quantities of ash. I really know very little about cement, but I know that are many industries today that already produce all the ash needed. So it's a solution looking for a problem.

      really, if burning weeds was really a clean energy process, don't you figure someone smarter than us would be rich and famous by now?

      so we agree, after all. the whole point is the ratio between CO2 emited and the energy output. but we botrh agree that the ratio between the grass growth and the CO2 emited is NOT 1:1.

    14. Re:green fuel by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      so we agree, after all. the whole point is the ratio between CO2 emited and the energy output. but we botrh agree that the ratio between the grass growth and the CO2 emited is NOT 1:1.

      Yes, but I thought your snarky reply needed some clarification. By burning something you can only release as much CO2 as it absorbed when it grew, which was the basis for the original discussion.

       

      really, if burning weeds was really a clean energy process, don't you figure someone smarter than us would be rich and famous by now

      Don't put yourself down like that, if everyone thought that way we'd never do anything new.

  22. Burns very hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why not use it as a fuel then?

  23. Why Kill It by red90tsi · · Score: 0

    One man's grass is another mans treasure.

  24. Energy crops for green fuel by captainpanic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a number of hints that say that we're dealing with a great energy-crop:

    1. It burns extremely hot (yay)
    2. It grows fast (good)
    3. It certainly won't require herbicides (meaning it's "biological").

    We just need some biologists to turn this stuff into fuel (ethanol)... alternatively, it can be pelletized.

    1. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by confused+one · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't waste energy turning it into ethanol. Just pelletize it and burn it in a power plant (perhaps as a supplement to an existing coal fired plant). Higher efficiency that way.

    2. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by mayko · · Score: 1

      Worse yet, its vegetative density means that burning cogongrass can send temperatures soaring to more than 840ÂF at heights of up to five feet.

      This is from a .pdf on the site linked in the summary. Sounds like it definitely has some energy potential.

    3. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 1

      In my native British Columbia, a number of companies are developing pellet energy as a way to use the branches and brush left over from logging. This sounds like a pretty good match for that technology.

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    4. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the same thing. look at the potential benefits. except after this monsanto will introduce a genetically altered one that cross pollinates and and you have to buy seeds from them because your crops go sterile after a year.

    5. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Total biomass is going to be very small though, because that's how these things stay alive better than others. Better roots and less needs.

    6. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      We just need some biologists to turn this stuff into fuel (ethanol)... alternatively, it can be pelletized.

      Or, run it through a methane digester and run a small generator off the gas, making local electricity.

      Gotta love those off the grid solutions...

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    7. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by Caue · · Score: 1

      what about the sugar necessary? does it have it?

    8. Re:Energy crops for green fuel by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      It also naturally grows fairly thick and 3m high. W/ genetic engineering I'm sure we could get the stuff 2stories tall.

  25. The amazing stuff about this is... by zanderz · · Score: 2, Funny

    The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt, that night, on this stuff.

  26. The basis is sound. by El+Jynx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think they're barking up the wrong tree; controlling the weed seems like an expensive pasttime. Instead, I'd combat it genetically:
    - start building up cultures of the weed, test the characteristics of different strains (go for ones that are more susceptible to infections, aphids, lower burn temperatures, less serrated edges, etc), breed these together, and create a weaker strain; distribute that across infested regions to weaken the weed.
    - start building up cultures of creatures that can (potentially) see the weed as a source of dinner, breed these to make them more voracious, and ultimately spread them at the same time that the weakened next generation of the weed from step 1 takes hold. This should ensure a successful startup of the weed killer.

    This way you can change it from a curse into a blessing for the bugs, and from there on for many sections of the food chain. Bugs are the plankton of the land. You might even be able to apply such evolutionary abuse to many different scenario's: bullfrogs in australia, or the heaping of plastic particles in the Pacific by breeding plankton, for example. An this way, you're following a perfectly natural course; you're just helping it along a little by speeding the implementation of a counterbalance.

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    1. Re:The basis is sound. by digitig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think they're barking up the wrong tree; controlling the weed seems like an expensive pasttime. Instead, I'd combat it genetically: - start building up cultures of the weed, test the characteristics of different strains (go for ones that are more susceptible to infections, aphids, lower burn temperatures, less serrated edges, etc), breed these together, and create a weaker strain; distribute that across infested regions to weaken the weed.

      Surely natural selection would just mean that the weaker versions of the weed would be selected against and so their genes would be eliminated from the gene pool again, leaving just the toughest varieties?

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    2. Re:The basis is sound. by El+Jynx · · Score: 1

      The trick is to get the current - probably very strong - strain mixed with weaker ones, so that for the short term at least, it's weakened enough that the bugs can get a grip. After that, evolution will indeed kick in and the best plant or bug will win. The trick is to give that first generation an extra boost.

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    3. Re:The basis is sound. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All great in theory - if you've ever mowed down a stand of Cogon grass, you'd realize that you're talking about an approach that might take millenia to achieve - it's classic alien invader: good for nothing in the local ecosystem (and therefore lacking predators) it pushes out everything else as it spreads unchecked.

    4. Re:The basis is sound. by oldhack · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bugs are the plankton of the land.

      Bugs are also bugs of the land. Does your algorithm ends with gorillas dying off in the winter?

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    5. Re:The basis is sound. by El+Jynx · · Score: 1

      Won't take that long. Since it's an alien invader, look at the control mechanisms at place in its homeland and go from there. You could probably even transplant a foreign bug's "eat that plant" gene(s) to a local bug to give that one the desire to nibble the foreign plant. Or maybe use a fungus, I don't know. Just ensure that whatever is added can be used by the rest of the food chain. Yes, it might cost millions, but then, so do 1000 people chopping plants up all day.

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    6. Re:The basis is sound. by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      cane toads, rabbits and blowflies in australia

      Fixed that for you. And yes, biological measures have been tried with some success.

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    7. Re:The basis is sound. by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think what we need here is a good car analogy.

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    8. Re:The basis is sound. by El+Jynx · · Score: 1

      I don't follow that. What do the gorilla's - or other large species - have to do with it, except that there's likely to be more other creatures around for them to eat as the bug explosion reverbrates down the food chain?

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    9. Re:The basis is sound. by es330td · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ummm...No. Not even close. The weakened ones will get killed off by disease and bugs and will leave only the strong ones. The only way this could work would be to somehow give the weak plant DNA some kind of advantage in the fertilization process and it would have to be 100%. This is how natural selection works and will proceed just like drug resistant diseases. We use anti-biotics against diseases and kill the ones that are susceptible, leaving only the ones that aren't to reproduce. The "fit to survive" survive and the remaining strain is that much stronger.

    10. Re:The basis is sound. by Kagura · · Score: 1

      I don't follow that. What do the gorilla's - or other large species - have to do with it, except that there's likely to be more other creatures around for them to eat as the bug explosion reverbrates down the food chain?

      That's the beauty of his plan. The girls die off in the wintertime.

    11. Re:The basis is sound. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      " It burns extremely hot. " Harvest it and use it for fuel. free heat in the winter

    12. Re:The basis is sound. by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      That might be true if natural selection could account for outside interference. If we're there to make sure the "weak" variety remains dominant, whether or not it could on its own, then natural selection no longer applies - at that point, it's more like "unnatural" selection.

    13. Re:The basis is sound. by digitig · · Score: 1

      I think that's just confusing terminology, from a time when humans considered themselves over and above nature. As far as evolution is concerned, the fact that we like to put weedkiller on something (or not) is exactly the same type of selective pressure as the fact that particular bugs like to eat it (or not). Nature is blind to whether it's us or the bugs doing it.

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    14. Re:The basis is sound. by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it might cost millions, but then, so do 1000 people chopping plants up all day.

      New idea for prison chain gangs?

      Judge: You are sentenced to clear 1 mile of route 123 of cogongrass. Your sentence will end when the grass is eradicated from that section of road.

      Convict: Great I just got a life sentence of hard labor.

    15. Re:The basis is sound. by operagost · · Score: 1

      Mmmm... snake meat.

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    16. Re:The basis is sound. by funkspiel · · Score: 1

      Stop calling me Shirley.

    17. Re:The basis is sound. by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      Stop calling me Shirley.

      Then perhaps you could explain it better. And, I just wanted to wish you good luck. We're all counting on you.

  27. Thanks for visiting! by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    Nope. This is a business trip of sorts. It's just coming back to deliver the death blow; after that it's out quicker than a fat kid in dodge ball.

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  28. To be sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuke it from space, it's the only way to be sure.... it's only Alabama.

  29. from roadtrip..... by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    yea...same here...for some reason, I thought of that one scene from one of the Road Trip movies...where the nerd develops the "perfect weed" that is undetectable....etc.

    1. Re:from roadtrip..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea...same here...for some reason, I thought of that one scene from one of the Road Trip movies...where the nerd develops the "perfect weed" that is undetectable....etc.

      You just admitted watching Road Trip, now you're a pariah.

  30. Schedule it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just make it a Schedule 1 offense to posses or grow it?

  31. Smokable? by realsilly · · Score: 1

    I would bet that if it was smokable in a manner that would get one high that there would be no problem keeping it under control. People would harvest it for the sheer delight of it. But then we'd have a million more grow farms all over the place. ..... mmmm, i'm hungry now....

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  32. Burns extremely hot? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If it burns extremely hot, it's not a "weed" -- it's potentially "the perfect biofuel."

    Really, what's the problem here? A sustainable biofuel crop that produces heat very efficiently, and grows rapidly? Isn't that exactly what the greendroids have been looking for all this time?

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    1. Re:Burns extremely hot? by NewWorldDan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is that we need liquid biofuels. Ethanol production is just not going to happen. The first step in production is fermentation and that wastes 40% of your source energy. Then purification requires a lot of energy. At least with biodiesel, all you're doing is splitting off a glycerol molecule. But then, what do you do with all that glycerol? Back to point, ethanol - not very useful. Let's see if Monsanto can bio-engineer this thing to grow big oily pods.

  33. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Spazztastic · · Score: 0

    (I was planning to write something slightly different but less suited for small children and Americans here.)

    Not all of us are looking to censor vulgar speech or freak out at the sight of a bare chested woman. Most of us actually are quite foul mouthed, and being on this website and even reading the comments probably means that the most of us aren't easily offended.

    Also, fuck you.

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  34. arsenal by Aradorn · · Score: 1

    Couple hundred gallons of arsenal will do the job nicely... http://www.cdms.net/LabelsMsds/LMDefault.aspx?pd=70&t=1,2,3,4

  35. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like mutating your usual Ford and GM SUV to have more low-fuel indicator lights.

    I... am even more confused.

  36. kudzu is mo' better by stonewallred · · Score: 1

    Kudzu would put this crap to shame. You can burn and spray and kudzu still comes back.

  37. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Selivanow · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's OK. It is obvious that you are a product of the public school system.

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  38. ULAAAA by EdZ · · Score: 1

    All three will eventually be consumed by the Red Weed anyway.

  39. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by corbettw · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who the fuck are you calling "foul mouthed", you cock-sucking sonofabitch?!

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  40. It'd be more interesting by CmdrPorno · · Score: 1

    If they were spending millions in Federal money to combat Congress.

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    1. Re:It'd be more interesting by Entropius · · Score: 1

      It's not federal money, but this joker spent a great deal of money on, basically, being batshit insane. Oh, and also unconstitutional.

    2. Re:It'd be more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moore served as company commander of his MP unit and was known to be very strict (to the point of earning a reputation as "being a stickler for constant salutes and regulation haircuts in the midst of war")[4]), earning him the derogatory nickname "Captain America." His role earned him several enemies, and he so feared being fragged that he recalls in his autobiography sleeping on sandbags to avoid a grenade or bomb being tossed under his cot.

      Wow, sounds like a great guy...

  41. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Shakrai · · Score: 1

    The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

    That's an awesome sig, just so you know :)

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  42. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Runaway1956 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "Not all of us are looking to censor vulgar speech or freak out at the sight of a bare chested woman. Most of us actually are quite foul mouthed, and being on this website and even reading the comments probably means that the most of us aren't easily offended.

    Also, fuck you, BITCH!"

    FTFY

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  43. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by NoStrings · · Score: 1
    This thread reminds me of one of my favourite movie quotes (from "A Fish Called Wanda"):

    Archie: How very interesting. You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?
    Otto: You're the vulgarian, you fuck.

  44. Maybe they meant. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    Perhaps what they meant is that it's not easy to burn, because you need to maintain a very high heat to get it to burn at all? Not sure, just guessing here.

    Anyhow, even if it does burn well, as you posit, it still wouldn't make a great biofuel . . . if it's such an ecological threat that it'll spread from the Gulf of Mexico to Canada, eradicating pretty much all other plant life, how do you contain it where you *want* it to grow (as a biofuel crop) without wiping everything else out, causing mass starvation, possible extinctions of lots of types of plants, and then the animals that depend upon those other plants as fuel?

    This sounds more like a biological weapon - drop this stuff in the Opium Poppy fields in Afghanistan lol.

    1. Re:Maybe they meant. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds more like a biological weapon - drop this stuff in the Opium Poppy fields in Afghanistan lol.

      Well considering the terrain and soil types it's known to grow in (see the end of the first paragraph under weed problems it probably would work. Of course the real reason that the Afghanistanians grow opium poppies is because it's a lucrative cash crop, and many depend on it for their livelihood. So while congongrass might crowd-out opium poppies, it would exacerbate the problems with poverty in the region. A better solution would be to find a cash crop that can be grown in Afghanistain that has legal uses and can be sold for similar amounts as the opium poppies.

    2. Re:Maybe they meant. . . by Entropius · · Score: 1

      Opium poppies, perhaps.

      Where do you think morphine (and some other opiates) come from? Growing poppies for medical use would be a great industry for the Afghans, but for political reasons we're not allowing them to do that.

    3. Re:Maybe they meant. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      I suppose I should add that I wasn't being serious about the Afghanistan thing. You are correct - while destroying their poppies with this weed would 'solve' the Opium problem, it would make things much worse, I'm pretty sure. It just seemed like too good a line to pass up.

  45. burning by zogger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Doesn't even need to be pelletized. They have outside furnaces now that are designed to take big round bales. And I imagine any coal burning plant has the means to take the stuff in bulk as well. But then harvesting it and moving it around would just spread the seeds further.

    With that said, there probably isn't any chemical control that would work, although that monsanto "terminator" gene tech might. Still risky though.

    Invasive species are a PITA, I am always having to deal with them here. For example I have gradually started turning tide on multiflora rose, after five years of a lot of effort, spraying, mowing and physically yanking the big clumps out by the roots with chains and the tractor. They get to be like freeking little trees almost. One interesting thing I found out though, this rose also attracts another invasive species, Japanese beetles, that munch on it. So sometimes I get a good "twofer" opportunity for eradication.

    I haven't seen that cogongrass yet on the property, but IF I do, I'll make it a point to nail that stuff daily if that is what it takes.

    1. Re:burning by Kartoffel · · Score: 1

      Nail it with what? Glyphosate (Roundup) will get the job done, but it takes out _everything_ and is toxic to fish and amphibians.

      If cogongrass starts choking out a crop in the middle of growing season, you can't really nuke it. Likewise, infestations in wetlands or near ponds would be tricky.

  46. The thing about invasive weeds is that they tend to outperform native plants in temperate climates where sun, rain, and nutrients are scarce. However, their native climates are often semi-tropical like Japan, and they get easily choked out by other plants that are better at taking advantage of abundant rain and nutrients.

    To take another example, dandelions are an invasive species in North America, where they choke out native grasses and garden plants. But in Japan, where they are native (or have existed for a very long time), they are a somewhat uncommon sight, as other local plants tend to crowd them out after the spring rains.

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  47. That is OK by aepervius · · Score: 1

    we then introduce gorilla, which will eat the lizard. The gorilla won't bwe a problem, they will die in winter. /I watch too much simpson.

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  48. It will eventually stop on its own... by kLaNk · · Score: 2, Funny

    'it could spread all the way to Michigan.'

    But frankly it will probably stop at the Michigan border. Even this weed has its limits...

  49. Run for your lives! by vorlich · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well we can chalk this up alongside: The termite colony in England that will soon devour the East Coast, the English Wallaby colony, The devouring rhododendron of Wales, the German Racoon Colony, and lets not forget all those other weeds busy clogging up the waterways of Europe nor the somewhat rampant (and delicious baked in a pie) American Grey Squirrel locked in a Star Wars type war with the Rebel Alliance of Red Squirrels - also in the UK.

    Then there's the Florida Pythons (not a new comedy team), South American Fire ants and First Amongst Equals the Cane Toad in Oz.

    However I do believe the English landed Gentry managed to finish off the last member of the Coypu Colony (sort of giant hamster) but have had no success with the now wild and thoroughly naturalised Mink which is doing an "Alien" along the clogged up waterways ripping everything with a heartbeat to shreds as it advances further and further North.

    Thanks in most part to: Stupidity, Cack Science, well-meaning Animal Libbers, Globalisation and the simple fellow who thought it would be a great idea to have those charming racoons climbing in and out of German wheelie bins (a sort of Euro-dumpster)

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    1. Re:Run for your lives! by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Cane Toad in Oz

      Just put a pair of red shoes on it and it'll be back in Kansas in no time.

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  50. Do you mind if I play through? by Overzeetop · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wonder how much text you have to add to avoid the filters...

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  51. SEED MARS! by starglider29a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Send a zillion seeds and drop them on Mars. Wait. Within years, the planet will be green. Oxygen abundant. Then we can burn half of it, and turn up the heat in the greenhouse~

    1. Re:SEED MARS! by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      As tough as this plant is, I think it still needs oxygen to grow in the first place.

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    2. Re:SEED MARS! by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      I take it back, it should grow quite effectively assuming it can get enough sun.

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    3. Re:SEED MARS! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I applaud your proper use of punctuation.

      Well done.

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  52. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

    Ignore the americans, everyone else does.

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  53. Ice-Nine by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    The solution is clearly ice-nine.

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  54. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by martas · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of things that taste worse than clothing. In fact, haven't you seen all those little kids sucking and chewing on their shirts all the time? Wait a minute, I'm getting a HUGE clue... I know how to solve Alabama's problem!

    * runs to his study to draw a plan on the walls *

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  55. An appropriate misreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems strangely appropriate that I misread the name of "the perfect weed" as Congress.

  56. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Aklyon · · Score: 1

    Ahhh! Car Analogy!

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  57. Oh, not *that* weed? by axl917 · · Score: 1

    /interest in topic plummets.

  58. Killer weed by jschmitz · · Score: 0

    Hmm when I first read that phrase I was thinking something else LOL

  59. simpsons reference to invasive species by acomj · · Score: 4, Informative

    its a simpsons reference when new lizards are introduced

    From Wikipedia:
    Since the town considered the pigeons to be a nuisance, they are delighted with the fact that the lizards have eaten all the pigeons. As a result, Bart is thanked and honored by Mayor Quimby with a loganberry scented candle. Lisa worries that the town will now become infested by lizards rather than the pigeons, but Skinner assures her that they will send in Chinese Needle Snakes, then snake-eating gorillas, and then "winter will take care of the rest."

  60. New home owner... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Being a new home owner, I have to say I am starting to realize the effects of weeds on my lawn. I had lived in a condo before, and now I see how much work it is to keep that nasty stuff off my lawn. Another thing too, is that if you live enar a field that is unkept by the city, that has immense foliage of weeds growing, then all that pollen comes into your yard, you are fighting a losing battle.

    I am getting myself astro turf everywhere, and getting rid of my lawn mower...!

  61. wait what by donthem · · Score: 0, Troll

    All i read was, "blah blah blah, multiple application of herbicide all over Alabama, blah blah blah cancer"

  62. Here, fixed the summary for you by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 5, Funny

    "... the State of Alabama is spending millions of dollars in federal stimulus money to combat Congress, a.k.a. the perfect weed, the killer weed, and the weed from another continent. A weed that 'evokes those old science-fiction movies in which clueless citizens ignore reports of an alien invasion.'

    Congress (Imperialista corruptivus) is considered one of the 10 worst weeds in the world. 'It can take over farms and factories, ruining cops, destroying Native Americans, upsetting the economic system,' writes Berry. 'It is very difficult to kill.' But the weed is so resilient that you can't kill it with one election, you have to return two years later and do it again. Left unchecked, Pecot says 'it could spread all the way to Europe.'"

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    1. Re:Here, fixed the summary for you by chowdahhead · · Score: 1

      'd like to spread this over eastern Connecticut with the hope of wiping out the tax-evading Mashantuckets and Mohegans. Sovereign my ass...

  63. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by mcgrew · · Score: 0

    I don't use foul language, I don't drink, and I'm respectful of women. Now get me a fucking beer, bitch!

  64. It's everywhere. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just love the Wikipedia page on this stuff. It's pretty clinical and detached, until you get to the bottom and see where it's listed as a 'native' species:

    Categories: Poaceae | Invasive plant species | Flora of the Canary Islands | Flora of Algeria | Flora of Egypt | Flora of Morocco | Flora of Ethiopia | Flora of Kenya | Flora of Tanzania | Flora of Uganda | Flora of Burundi | Flora of Cameroon | Flora of Gabon | Flora of Rwanda | Flora of Benin | Flora of Burkina Faso | Flora of Ghana | Flora of Guinea | Flora of Liberia | Flora of Mali | Flora of Nigeria | Flora of Senegal | Flora of Sierra Leone | Flora of Togo | Flora of Malawi | Flora of Mozambique | Flora of Zambia | Flora of Zimbabwe | Flora of Botswana | Flora of Lesotho | Flora of Namibia | Flora of South Africa | Flora of Swaziland | Flora of Oman | Flora of Yemen | Flora of Afghanistan | Flora of Cyprus | Flora of Iran | Flora of Iraq | Flora of Israel | Flora of Turkey | Flora of Armenia | Flora of Azerbaijan | Flora of Georgia (country) | Flora of Russia | Flora of China | Flora of Japan | Flora of Korea | Flora of Bhutan | Grasses of India | Flora of Nepal | Flora of Pakistan | Flora of Sri Lanka | Flora of Cambodia | Flora of Laos | Flora of Burma | Flora of Thailand | Flora of Vietnam | Flora of Indonesia | Flora of Malaysia | Flora of Papua New Guinea | Flora of the Philippines | Poales of Australia | Flora of Queensland | Flora of Victoria (Australia) | Flora of Tasmania | Angiosperms of Western Australia | Flora of South Australia | Flora of the Northern Territory | Flora of Greece | Flora of Italy | Flora of France | Flora of Portugal | Flora of Spain

    I, for one, welcome our silica-edged (!) sawtooth grass overlords.

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  65. Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing can survive in Michigan, see graph

    http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST260000&tdim=true

  66. No One EVER Learns... by agorist_apostle · · Score: 1

    When I was working on a biology degree, the big topic du jour was Chinese honeysuckle and how it was taking over large sections of American forests, choking out native species, etc. It had the advantage of being able to start growing earlier in the spring and remain green later in the fall than most other plants (driving through Ohio, you'll see it as all the green stuff growing on hillsides along highways). It was originally introduced to help stop erosion but eventually grew out of control, just like this stuff apparently was introduced for the same reason. All the morons in the state highway departments don't seem to understand that the reasons a plant is good for erosion control is because it grows quickly and has no natural brakes on its growth and spread, unlike native species that are "balanced" with the environment. I suppose eventually you'll see an equilibrium reached, but it'll be a shame to see all the native species go extinct because of introduction of non-native species.

  67. I live in Alabama by dorpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the spread of Cogongrass means fewer bugs to annoy us, fewer trees to topple over and kill people, fewer birds who block vents with their nests, fewer deer to ruin cars, I don't think any locals would care. We have too much nature as it is. Alabama turns into a black river of roaches at night, a yellow fog of meat bees during the day, a green carpet of fallen leaves and trees during storms. Every shoe, dark corner in the house is inhabited by aggressive scorpions who come at us. Our walkway is a highway for the local population of leprosy-carrying armadillos. We keep our house very clean, and all food (including crackers) is immediately put in the refrigerator, but every morning, we wake up to a mass grave of dead beetles on the pesticide-treated carpet. Birds have figured out how to break into vent grills and build nests inside. We avoid the woods because the grass carries a black fog of disease-carrying ticks. If you think I'm making this up, you haven't lived here. We live in Alabama's biggest city, and in the countryside it's worse. Every rainstorm means the roads turn into an obstacle course of fallen trees, and it's extremely dangerous. A lot of cows, horses, boars, armadillos, dogs, deer, and other animals threaten drivers. Street lights that work are scarce, so at night everything becomes as dark as a cave. Driving is considered a man's job in the countryside.

    Environmentalism is valued by people who live in big cities, for whom forests appear to be a scarce resource.

    1. Re:I live in Alabama by Entropius · · Score: 2, Informative

      I lived in Alabama (Huntsville) for over 20 years, and it's not as bad as you describe. Sure, stuff grows well there, but it's not as though you can't use the roads because of the deer and you can't open your doors for fear of roaches and yellowjackets.

      The only real threatening endemic species is rednecks.

    2. Re:I live in Alabama by dorpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With the recent torrential rains we've had, we do check the door before opening, since there is about a 50% chance of seeing a roach or yellowjacket outside the door. The other night, my relative's porch was overrun with palmettos, we couldn't count them all. Their roof awning is abuzz with the sounds of dozens of carpenter bees drilling holes. Every time I come back from my relative's house on top of a mountain at night, it turns into an odyssey of mysterious blobs of kudzu, and cat faces, coyote faces that flash in and out of peripheral vision. I've experienced spatial disorientation before, when I travelled to the arctic and faraway mountains looked close; you can experience them in Alabama with the kudzu blobs. Earlier in the summer, we went shooting in the woods and man, everyone was covered in ticks. The red clay soil was rock-hard, so I found an ant hill of soft ground to plant the target sign. The place turned into a geyser of black ants. Recently, we saw a white coyote the size of a fawn just walking down the street in broad daylight. They are supposed to be nocturnal and afraid of people.

      I've been in downtown Birmingham after 5pm, when it turns into a ghost town. I had to stay there late once when my car broke down. Every car that drove by stared at me, marvelling at the sight of human life. There was an abandoned car showroom with a forest of tall trees growing indoors. When the tow truck took me away, I saw a pack of dogs trot into the building.

    3. Re:I live in Alabama by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an interesting place. :)

      Recently, we saw a white coyote the size of a fawn just walking down the street in broad daylight. They are supposed to be nocturnal and afraid of people.

      Nothing abnormal about that; I see that pretty commonly in coyote territory. Coyotes aren't actually nocturnal, and while they tend to avoid contact with humans, they are pretty well adapted to living near them. Those lone coyotes you see on the side of the road are probably scouts for the rest of the pack who are a safe distance away.

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    4. Re:I live in Alabama by tachyonflow · · Score: 1

      I lived in Birmingham back in '96. It always seemed to me that there were some forms of nature that were actually *more* dense in the big city than in the smaller rural towns -- like roaches. At least, in the corner of Southside that I lived in. It's sad to hear that downtown still becomes a ghost town after 5pm.

      I got a kick out of your colorful description of nature constantly encroaching on man. I felt the same way when I was growing up in the South. Feel free to visit Colorado sometime; I've found it to be radically different. Being outside is actually enjoyable here.

    5. Re:I live in Alabama by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      "You may drive out nature with a pitchfork, yet she'll be constantly running back." -- Horace

  68. Biomass for Electricity? by Ngarrang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Grows anywhere? Doesn't need to be watered or fertilized? Sounds like a possible biomass for electricity production to me, and a cheap one. Maybe this plant could also be used to hinder desertification.

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  69. Ah, crap! by zmollusc · · Score: 3, Funny

    It never rains but it pours :-(
    Not only do we have the oil fields drying up so alternative fuels are needed to run power stations but now we have this useless, oily, hot-burning plant that grows like crazy anywhere and nobody knows how to get rid of it.

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  70. Goat meat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Mexican stores carry goat meat ...they call it Chivo. Also find a Jamaican restaurant and try some goat curry

  71. Maybe I'm too Tired by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

    "Dan Berry writes in the NY Times that the State of Alabama is spending millions of dollars in federal stimulus money to combat Cogongrass, a.k.a. the perfect weed, the killer weed, and the weed from another continent. A weed that 'evokes those old science-fiction movies in which clueless citizens ignore reports of an alien invasion.'

    Wow. At first I read "...spending millions of dollars in federal stimulus money to combat Congress..." and I thought, it's about time somebody fought Congress! Those guys really do seem like weeds.

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  72. Alabama State Fighting Against Evolution by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Funny

    Isn't this just typical of the American South and Bible Belt?

    Here we have a very visible proof of evolution in action (one species moving into a new area and out competing everything else), and what does the Alabama state government do? They try to eradicate that proof in a foolish attempt to show that an intelligently designed ecosystem is better, especially when it's helped by God's chosen: man.

    I say to the silent majority of Americans who aren't buying into intelligent design, that you should rise up and fight this atrocity. Go out there and plant Cogongrass in your nears gardens, parks, forests and wildlife areas! Viva la Evolutión!

    </joke>

  73. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by redcaboodle · · Score: 1

    Having seen goats chewing happily on pieces of clothing and other garbage, mutating goats to have no sense of taste sounds to me like mutating rabbits to have long ears. (I was planning to write something slightly different but less suited for small children and Americans here.)

    I... don't get it.

    Of course not - you're on Slashdot.

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  74. Japanese Stiltgrass by spgass · · Score: 1

    Here in Virginia, Japanese Stiltgrass is becoming a major problem. I believe it is an annual that can be controlled by cutting before it goes to seed in September.

  75. Re:We need nukes by jamstar7 · · Score: 1
    Heh.

    I, for one, welcome our glowing radioactive plant overlords.

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  76. Absolutes destroy reason by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure what this "balance" thing is that people keep on talking about. It's as if they believe that ecosystems without humans are in some kind of stable equilibrium, which is bizarre and counter-factual. Not only do new species show up now and then without human intervention, environmental conditions change, and species-interactions occur, that prevent anything remotely resembling stability beyond the very basic level required for the moderately long-term persistance of life.

    And it seems that you believe that because absolute statism is impossible, all changes are equal.

    No there's no such thing as "balance" as some kind of permanent thing. Yes ecosystems change without human intervention. But when stated as such absolutes, these statements are essentially meaningless. You are quite deliberately not drawing a distinction between the mountains eventually eroding, and them being bulldozed into the ocean in a week.

    If you don't take a literal absolutist definition of "balance" as "statism", then it's obvious that there is a balance in our ecosystems. Yes they change, borders between ecosystems move, species adapt, yet these things all happen together, maintaining over time a balance despite change. Because they aren't mutually exclusive opposites in the real world of shades of gray. The whole reason why these introduced plants are a problem is because they didn't evolve here. Thus their impact in this ecosystem clearly differs from that of any organism that did evolve here, or with their impact in the ecosystem they did evolve in.

    That is the kind of balance we're talking about. Not an absolutist balance, but the natural kind where species co-evolve. No you can't maintain anything like this over the long term in the face of ice ages and other geologic/climate changes, no you can't prevent any species from ever being introduced to an environment where it did not evolve and has a disruptive effect, but that's fine, nobody is saying we must. But there's a reason the last major extinction event occurred after humans arrived, with millennia of relative stability before even in the face of advancing or retreating glaciers.

    So just because change is inevitable, that does not mean we humans should not try, nor be concerned with, avoiding being the instrument of rapid and destructive change. That's a foolish, irresponsible view which is what absolutism always is.

    If you value ecosystemic "balance" then you should be rooting for the weed (as it were) because the sooner humans stop interfering with its spread the sooner a new quasi-equilibrium will be established.

    Ridiculous, as the shortest path to "quasi-equilibrium" is to return to the one that the introduction of this weed by humans disturbed. Introduce an invasive species, then don't "interfere" with it -- this is exactly the kind of thing this strawman-based absolutist "logic" leads to.

    If, on the other hand, you are simply a conservative, and value the world as it is because that is the world you know, you should say so and argue on that basis, and not impute your conservative beliefs to some equilibrium principle that is false to fact.

    Oh please. If you can't see any consequences to destroying the ecosystems that evolved on this continent in the blink of an eye beyond economic inconvenience and sentimentality, then you have no business lecturing others as if you understand the issues here.

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    1. Re:Absolutes destroy reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to quote properly. Also, tl;dr.

      Wall of text crits you for 50 damage.
      You have been killed by Wall of text.

    2. Re:Absolutes destroy reason by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Learn to quote properly. Also, tl;dr.

      Wall of text crits you for 50 damage.
      You have been killed by Wall of text.

      Excellent!

      Flawless victory!

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  77. How to kill the perfect weed? by ascari · · Score: 1

    I got it! Let's draw a line across the state at Highway 80! That oughta take care of it! Only in Alabama...

  78. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by the_womble · · Score: 1

    It is obvious that you are a product of the public school system.

    Is that public school in the British or American sense?

  79. Your ass is grass! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    > " 'They don't understand that cogongrass can replace an entire ecosystem.'
    > Left unchecked, Pecot says 'it could spread all the way to Michigan.'"

    where it will be stopped at the border, killed by the trampling feet of people moving out of that sorry state.

    I can say that since I live here.

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  80. Re:mutate goats to have no sense of taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently, in private schools they give out the inside scoop on humor and pop culture all day, so that you'll never need to be left out of a joke for the rest of your life.

    Forgive we poor public school graduates for letting all that learning get in our way.

  81. thought for the day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the great ZuZu didn't want us to eat people, why did He make them out of meat?

  82. spot spray by zogger · · Score: 1

    That's it, all you can do now, when and if you see it. If it takes out pasture to the side, or row crops to the side, you still have to do that. And ya, sprays are toxic, but there's a few really nasty things growing out there that could seriously bork the food supply, so it's a tradeoff, and sometimes there are areas where that sort of spray is the only credible solution.

        The option of letting it grow unchecked is really the worse of several evils now, and it could go from just being sucky to a catastrophe. Do some googling and look for images, and see what it does unchecked, it creeps into forests even and crowds stuff out, let alone open areas. I've been hip to this stuff for some time now, that's why I keep an eyeball out for it, even when I am driving around, because if I see it, and I don't care who's property it is, I'll sure as hell report it to the extension service.

      When *nothing* will eat the thing, including goats, and it can spread underground, along with billions of teeny tiny seeds that can be blown around or carried around, and it chokes everything else out eventually, that makes it a grade A emergency and drastic measures will have to be used to eradicate it.

    One of the most effective ways to deal with an out of control forest fire is to burn a backfire. Sometimes you just have to sacrifice for the larger good.

        Ya, it sucks and I don't like using it myself, but it's the only cheap* thing we got to do that chore with now.

    * for some values of cheap. It's still real expensive, but since it fell out of patent you can save a few bucks.

    The next potentially less sucky approach would be that "terminator gene" thing I mentioned, which I think is dangerous as all get out to introduce into food crops, and I am totally against the production of such a plant or seed there, but might be useful as an alternative to control species like this.

        Just like (well, it would be kinda sorta) one of the more effective ways they have found to control nasty insects (example, med fruit fly) is to introduce billions of sterile males in the targeted infested area, instead of toxic spraying everything.

    1. Re:spot spray by Kartoffel · · Score: 1

      Well I'm certainly keeping an eye out for cogongrass now. My home is right on the edge between an infested county and a clear one.

      The kudzu and fire ants are bad enough! What's next, Chinese needle snakes?

  83. Birmingham AL is up there with Decater IL by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    The shit holiest cities in the USA list.

    They each have a unique smell (even worse then Cincinnati.)

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  84. Never mind the grass, what truck does he drive? by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mr. Lovett puts on his cap and heads out to his 2006 pickup, which has 188,000 miles on it

    To save you looking at the slideshow, yes, of course it's a Toyota.

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  85. Good luck. by pclminion · · Score: 1

    $6 million? That's only $1 of funds for every 5.6 acres of land area. The idea that you could make any sort of impact with only $6 million is ludicrous, and just goes to show the complete ignorance of the public about "large" numbers. $6 billion would probably be closer to what you'd need.

  86. Eco-bots to the rescue! by Eclipse-now · · Score: 1

    OK, if ever we needed Moore's law to hit AI and create smart eco-bots that could get out there and harvest all these weeds, now seems to be it. Imagine ecosystems managed and assisted by smart, solar powered ecobots of various shapes, sizes, and functionality. What else could they do? Harvest the weeds and drag them to local biochar plants, generating biochar and fuel? Harvest Australian outback camels, freezing the meat and then shipping the meat to poorer African nations? (For some reason that one sounds a bit non-pc... not sure what camel meat tastes like.) Collect all the plastic in the North Pacific Gyre on automated solar powered ships? It seems that for the sake of our ecosystems we really need to create various autonomous robots for these mundane, repetitive, constant jobs, because I can't see which nation will really devote the money for people to do them....

  87. dala nang pinoy yan by zorkdork · · Score: 0

    palagay ko lang dala nang pinoy yan dyan, useful yan cogon

  88. Weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmm... that's interesting. In the Philippines, cogongrass is not really a problem. It is being harvested and used as roofing for beach cottages or even shall houses. Though from my personal experience I haven't seen one that have really caused that much damage to the ecosystem. I haven't seen the extent on the case of Alabama though but I hope it would be manageable.

  89. The Cogongrass website is interesting by thered2001 · · Score: 1

    There's an aerial photo section which is kind of creepy. It depicts outbreaks of the stuff which occur as circles dotting the landscape. It really does resemble an alien invasion. cogongrass.org

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  90. And yet by danwesnor · · Score: 1

    On the upside, we're hoping it will kill off the kudzu.

  91. Perfect weed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was halfway through the article before I realized they were talking about a real weed and not smokeable Pot.