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Ultra-Orthodox Jews Rally For a More Kosher Internet
Hugh Pickens writes "Michael Grynbaum writes that 40,000 ultra-Orthodox Jewish men filed through the gates of Citi Field to discuss the dangers of the Internet. For the attendees, many of whom said they came at the instructions of their rabbis, it was a chance to hear about a moral topic considered gravely important in the Hasidic community: the potential problems that can stem from access to pornography and other explicit content on the uncensored, often incendiary Web. Schlomo Cohen, 24, said he came to Citi Field because the rally was a good way to remind his community to keep temptation at bay. 'Desires are out there,' said Cohen. 'We have to learn how to control ourselves.' The rally was sponsored by a rabbinical group, Ichud Hakehillos Letohar Hamachane, that is linked to a software company that sells Internet filtering software to Orthodox Jews. Those in attendance were handed fliers that advertised services like a 'kosher GPS App' for iPhone and Android phones, which helps users locate synagogues and kosher restaurants. 'No one here is a Luddite who denies the manifold benefits that technology has brought to mankind as a whole,' says Eytan Kobre, spokesman for the event. 'But at a certain point, a mature, thinking individual stops and says, "I've got to make a cost-benefit analysis [of] what ways it is enriching my life, [and] in what ways it is undermining it."'"
I've been on the internet since the early 90's and I don't ever recall even once being forced to go to a porn site (though I have been tricked into watching Rick Astley a couple of times). Unless you get some kind of phishing virus, no one is going to *force* anything on you. And if you're so weak that you can't control yourself, you may want to avoid the internet altogether. Anyway, if you really want the porn, I'm pretty sure you'll just find a way to bypass the filtering software this guy is hawking. If all that's standing between you being devout and becoming a porn-crazed sinner is some software, maybe it's time for you to reevaluate your faith.
Just keep in mind that the second you start talking about fucking with MY internet or MY ability to access porn (or anything else), then we're going to have a problem. And that goes whether it's a bible you're thumping, or a Koran, or the Talmud, etc. It's not our job to protect you from yourself, Sparky.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
It's pretty ridiculous that they're holding this rally about the dangers of the internet while simultaneously harboring child predators and ostracizing members of the community who report them to police.
It lets people find out things like this
'Desires are out there,' said Cohen. 'We have to learn how to control ourselves.'
Exactly. Just learn to control yourselves and stay away from porn sites. Treat them like you do pork. Or guys porking girls. Whatever, there's pork there.
Whoop-dee-doo. As long as they aren't pushing censorship on other people, everything's peachy.
Shlomo Cohen, 24, of Toronto, said he used the Internet for shopping, business and staying in touch with friends -- “Everyone needs e-mail,” he said.
You might say it's a powerful tool that isn't inherently good or evil, it can just magnify the abilities and desires of the user?
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Basically: "New technology befuddles and stymies religious folks who wonder why their deity(s) of choice didn't write out rules for said technologies X millennia ago (at least for deities that are said to be omniscient)."
As a former Catholic, I'm sort of glad that "thou shalt not play Diablo III for 12 hours on Sunday while occasionally watching free pornography" is no longer applied to me. Hard to shake the guilt that I'm enjoying so much while others deliberately stunt themselves though
My work here is dung.
"I've got to make a cost-benefit analysis [of] what ways it is enriching my life, [and] in what ways it is undermining it."'
Religion is undermining his life.
'Desires are out there,' said Cohen. 'We have to learn how to control ourselves.'
Why worry about internet pr0n when facebook, tv, shopping, and fattening foods are the exact same class of problem and more severe? Uncontrollable desires wasting lives, etc? I would have to look at a heck of a lot of pr0n to make up for watching TV for hours when I was a kid.
It seems to be a poorly prioritized concern. Once everyone is off FB, throws out their TV, skinny from a paleo/low carb diet, zeroed credit card and loan balances then it might be time to fret that someone out there might be having a good time and they've gotta stop it somehow.
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
These guys should prove they think of the children by sponsoring the OpenDNS project or something similar. Then their members could set up their PCs to have restricted access to the stuf they find likely to offend without having to go through all the porn in the world befor emaking a decision.
If you are saying that you need filtering or censoring software, then you are saying you can't trust yourself to follow your beliefs. If you really do believe in what you are being taught, then it should be incredibly simple for you to avoid tempting content on the internet. "We have to control ourselves" one guy says. If you need these programs, then you obviously aren't controlling yourself. Your religious beliefs are your responsibility. If you can't handle it or control yourself, then maybe you need to look at why you can't.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
New technology and innovation always presents a threat for major religions because intellectual freedom obtained outside of their control has always represented a threat.
I say that as a practicing Jew and completely understanding the hypocrisy of the statement. I've always had time reconciling the two sides of my mind when it comes to this.
"It's not stealing if you don't get caught!"
'Desires are out there,' said Cohen. 'We have to learn how to control ourselves.'
Then do it. Learn to control yourself and leave the internet alone.
The internet does not need to be made "more kosher" for you.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
I will celebrate and embrace their efforts by eating a Cheeseburger with bacon and fried shrimps served on a sheet from a porn magazine featuring a shaved one.
Just keep in mind that the second you start talking about fucking with MY internet
Jews do not generally go around telling non-Jews what to do with their personal lives. If you take a look at the Talmud, there are sections that deal with how Jews should live when they are surrounded by non-Jews; the Talmud was written at a time when non-Jews were pagans whose rituals would be disgusting by modern standards, but the Talmud only commands Jews to stay away from pagan temples and to be careful about letting pagans become to "familiar" with a Jew's animals, and some regulations about wines and eating utensils that might be used by pagans. Note that the Talmud does not command Jews to stop pagans from practicing their religions or to judge them for their rituals. As long as you are not bringing your laptop full of pornography into an ultra-orthodox community, they really do not care what you are doing or what sort of information is on your computer network.
Palm trees and 8
... of the immaturity of mankind as a whole in the 21st century.
You may get a popup stating that there is some available bacon right in your local neighborhood, but will it turn out to be just an ugly fat chick.
You have been warned.
They are nothing more than a mid 17th century cult that survived.
They treat their women like shit.
They refuse to buy "non-kosher" soap, which is really expensive so they bathe irregularlly
They are really nasty and disrespectful to outsiders. They've been known to attack outsiders depending on locale.
They use legal tricks to avoid paying taxes, like making all of their houses, "places of worship", which defund local services.
They've been known to settle scores with eachother with violence.
In Brooklyn there was a major scam where the Rabbis were telling people NOT to go to the cops with child molestation cases. The Rabbi bought out the district attorney. http://www.topix.net/city/brooklyn-ny/2012/05/da-denies-hes-soft-on-pedophiles-in-orthodox-jewish-brooklyn
They are not diffrent than the crazies of any other reliegon and its time the outside world recognize them as such, and its time the mainstream jewish community stops coddling this cult. At very least they need to stop telling the outside world especially the internet how fucked up we are. They are far worse than any of us.
Remember back in the mid-1980s when we were all concerned with sexual lyrics in rock music? We sure fixed that one, eh? Remember when that show "The A-Team" was considered too violent for TV and we all marched to end the violence? How'd that one turn out?
Remember when we launched the "War on Drugs," and now as a result you can't get drugs anywhere at all and all the dealers and producers are out of work?
Good luck with the latest challenge. I'm sure it will be a huge success.
If this were Usenet, I'd killfile the lot of you.
It isn't just porn. The charedi(ultra-orthodox) are having serious troubles with people leaving the fold due to simply learning about things on the internet, like evolution and the age of the Earth. Many of them don't become outright atheists or agnostics but instead transition to being some form of Modern Orthodox, or Yeshivish. But for most of the ultra-Orthodox population that's about as close to as bad as completely abandoning the religion. In some respects it is worse, because when they stay some form of Orthodox, it is a lot harder to get friends and families to shun a person who leaves, which means the person now becomes an influx of new ideas into the community. It also doesn't help the charedim, that there are organizations like Footsteps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footsteps_(organization) specifically geared to getting people to leave the fold.
Incidentally, it seems that people commenting on this article are slightly confused about terminology. Chassidic or hassidic is not a synonym for ultra-orthodox. The Chassidim are a specific movement founded around 1800 that have specific belief sets and communal organizations where each sect centers around a Rabbinic dynastic that leads that sect. Chassidim are essentially a subset of ultra-orthodox. The more general term for ultra-orthodox as whole is "charedi" (or in the plural "charedim"), although in some contexts that term is used to mean ultra-orthodox who aren't chassidic.
'We have to learn how to control ourselves.' The rally was sponsored by a rabbinical group, Ichud Hakehillos Letohar Hamachane, that is linked to a software company that sells Internet filtering software to Orthodox Jews
...Aaaaaand, the irony meter explodes with a massive "whooosh!"
Hey, guys - Leave my porn alone and go choke on a bacon cheeseburger, 'kay? The internet? Not yours!
Actually they should do like their Kitchens. Have a separate "kosher kitchen. Separate Kosher-Net. They can maintain it and both parties will be happy.
some sort of markup language designed to enable my mother to harass me about the seder and keeping kosher my packets for the sabbath. I'll have to reformat regularly a portion of my disk after passover as it will be riddled with gallons of leftover streits and manischewitz wines.
new versions of the 3.x kernel can also be expected to deprecate /dev/random in favor of four additional devices
/dev/nun
/dev/gimel
/dev/hei
/dev/shin
Good people go to bed earlier.
If anyone or anything has something to fear from the unprecedented freedom of information sharing that the Internet represents, it is religion and the religious. I've got ten bucks that says their filtering software, which turns the Internet into a "kosher" environment, also blocks dissenting points of view by denying access to known religious blogs.
It's obvious to all believers that humans are weak and cannot help themselves. In addition all enlightened know that satan is only waiting for the opportunity to pounce and swoop you away into the dark abyss of sin, eternal condemnation and instant gratification.
From Wikipedia:
Satan (Hebrew: ha-Satan), "the opposer",[1] is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible.[2] In Christianity the title became a personal name, and "Satan" changed from an accuser appointed by God to test men's faith to the chief of the rebellious fallen angels ("the devil" in Christianity, "Shaitan" in Arabic, the term used by Arab Christians and Muslims).[3] In Islam, a shayn is any evil creature, whether human, animal or spirit. With the definite article, the Shayn is Iblis, the Devil.
All the lame bacon memes will send them into conniptions.
Religion is belief,and as such nothing more than the opinion of the believer, and we all know what they say about opinions. You cannot legislate, dictate or control the moral compass of mankind. They can sit around and talk about it all day, but they will never get any further than where they started. As the previous poster mentioned however, I do find it rather ironic that the convention was sponsored by a software company, clearly in an attempt to promote their product. I guess money is a bigger motivator than morality.
is that so hard to create a jewdns.org, and configure your religion members dns?
"The rally in Citi Field on Sunday was sponsored by a rabbinical group, Ichud Hakehillos Letohar Hamachane, that is linked to a software company that sells Internet filtering software to Orthodox Jews. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-hold-rally-on-internet-at-citi-field.html?_r=1
How conVEEENient.
Slightly disreputable, albeit gregarious
Yup, the ultra-orthodox really hate the Internet:
http://www.chabad.org/
This conference is about deciding what sort of rules should be applied to the Internet within the ultra-orthodox community, not banning the Internet all together. As for the issue of child molestation, yes, it is a problem within the community; and guess what? There are Jews standing outside of the conference protesting its purpose and demanding that the issue of child molestation be addressed first. So much for hating the Internet.
You know what the worst thing you can do is? Point fingers at the ultra-orthodox and scream about child molestation, since that is exactly what they are afraid of happening if people speak about it outside of their community -- you are basically validating what they are saying to themselves when they keep it a secret. How about we take the rational approach and just bring child molesters to court, where they can be tried and sentenced like anyone else, without shouting about how they are Jewish?
Palm trees and 8
So I disagree with you. I don't think this is anything to do with Judaism, which in general terms has been a pretty benign religion whose core beliefs have given a huge push to literacy, science, and social progress, and everything to do with testosterone-addled knuckle-draggers who tend to form extremist groups. The desire for "purity" ( to prevent the members from finding out that other people don't agree with them) is common among them, so this development isn't surprising.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
My rabbi spoke with me about this last week. The internet is really affecting the religious communities- it's causing a large number of families are getting torn apart. And it's not just porn, men aren't supposed to look at woman or even smell one's perfume. It's a really bad thing if an attractive woman in an ad is popping up on their screen.
And to all these knee-jerkers, there is no desire to censor or change "your" internet. This is a community of people looking for a way to accept an amazing product into their lives without threatening it. They are well within their rights to have this conference as it is really a serious topic for them...People have different ways of life than you
"Orthodox Jews don't rape nine-year olds" - just read this article to see how wrong you are:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/29/brooklyn-orthodox-jews-child-abuse-cover-up-feature/
I'm not Jewish, but the author having been a conservative rabbi tells me they're probably fairly accurate portrayals. Take Asher Lev, for the religion to cause such strife and try to snuff out a young man's natural talent, you have to wonder if the religion is a net benefit to society. I know the story is fiction, but it is supposedly set within a realistic portrayal of a Hasidic community. On the other hand, you probably have this conflict within the conservative branch of any religion. This brings me to the quesiton, is religion in general a net benefit?
But I figure in the end, at least they're not bombing anybody. They're welcome to do what they want in their communities as long as they're not violating anybody's civil rights or demanding we change to accommodate their beliefs. Same for conservative Muslims here.
I always find it slightly bizarre, for instance, that in the UK the British Government tends to listen to the Orthodox Chief Rabbi whereas, if asked for the name of a typical rabbi, far more people would remember the Reform rabbi Lionel Blue.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
the only logically and morally defensible position on rights and freedoms is that of the individual
when people act as a group with a command and control structure and talk about rights and freedoms, the subject ceases to be valid because the command and control structure of organized religion, in the process of imposing edicts on its members, is breaking the rights and freedoms of the individual
you can only talk about rights and freedoms of the individual. "religious freedom" in this context is an oxymoron because "religious freedom" is really just about imposing on the rights of freedoms of individuals born into a religion and unable to choose for themselves
you have to talk about rights and freedoms from the point of view of the individual. all other perspectives are not logically coherent point of views to take and therefore are false and immoral
society is only able to maintain true freedom when organized religion ceases to think it has the right to impose its will on others. as long as it does, it is an enemy of rights and freedoms. you should be able to worship your god as you choose, convert to any religion you want, as an individual. the organized religion has no right to dictate your choices, as an individual. or it is a force of authoritarianism and oppression
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Replace "Internet" with "religion" and "pornography" with "dogma" and you've found the real detriment to society.
Don't look at the shit which offends you. If necessary don't use the internet at all. I myself manage to go my entire time on the internet without viewing stuff which does not interest me by the simple expedient of not searching for it. If by chance I find myself at looking at something does not interest me, I browse somewhere else which does.
"ultra-Orthodox" (which is kind of a derogatory term anyway) are Haredim, not Hesedim which are a different Orthodox denomination
GAS THE KIKES
RACE WAR NOW
Lubavitch and Satmar are not "Ultra" Orthodox. They're Orthodox. Charedi are 'ultra' Orthodox and don't use the net at all. This is one of those NYT smears against the Jewish community that's become their stock in trade. According to the NYT anyone who isn't a Buddhist Vegan Gay Interracial handicapped black Muslim lesbian anarchist is a 'ultra ultra ultra extremist fundamentalist religious millenarian nutcase.
I think we are safe from Muslim terrorists for a while at least. 40,000 Jews in one place and not even a bomb threat?
I have to wonder what we would be saying if it was 40,000 Muslims meeting there for the same topic? Flip through the variations of religions and apply that mental exercise of "what if?" Rastafarians make for an amusing mental image, as do several others. When I ponder which group would be the scariest in regards to tampering with our Internet freedoms, it boils down to Muslims and "Fundy Christians" with the later winning by a nose.
Religious perspectives of the Internet, they all vary, but frankly I like to remain suspicious of all of them. People inherently seem to get big wild ideas about the Internet, politicians and religious people especially and these groups tend to intermingle at a disgusting rate.
Take the Red Pill.
I've been on the internet since the early 90's and I don't ever recall even once being forced to go to a porn site (though I have been tricked into watching Rick Astley a couple of times).
If a Rickroll is the worst you've seen, consider yourself very lucky not to have been tricked into seeing Goatse or Tubgirl (both NSFW).
goatse.cx tubgirl.com lemonparty.com ...
Sometimes the whole "Kosher" process kinda irks me in the sense that many of the most commonly consumed foods have been "made Kosher" with special branding and tiny little symbols on the labels which seem innocent and harmless enough, but those markings COST MONEY. The cost, of course, results in higher prices for things which do not affect the majority of people.
So let's take a page from the "Halal" playbook and let them buy their stuff from Kosher stores instead of effectively taxing everything we eat. Seems reasonable -- you need something different, go ahead... get your something different, but don't make the rest of us pay for it.
That said, what does it have to do with the original topic?
PLENTY!
I don't want some minority interest stepping in with things that will ultimately change and harm the internet. If they want something "sanitized" great! There's an app for that! It's called a VPN. You just connect to a regular public internet connection and then from there, log into a VPN which routes all traffic through a "Kosher-net." Now you're cleansed without affecting the rest of the planet.
When small groups force their changes on the world, it invariably harms the world in some way.
Don't let your 9 year old girl stray too close to the border fence or the guards will shoot at her for target practice. Don't protest the knocking down of homes because they'll run you over with a bulldozer. Don't try to bring aid to Gaza because they'll send troops into international waters and kill 8. Don't send UN monitors to a border that they're invading because they'll bomb it killing everyone inside the monitoring post. Don't even get me started on the UN School bombing where they killed all those civilians.
You may be blind to what Israel is up to, but the rest of the world isn't.
And anyone who supports that country is as bad as they are.
The rally was sponsored by a rabbinical group, Ichud Hakehillos Letohar Hamachane, that is linked to a software company that sells Internet filtering software to Orthodox Jews.
So this is like one of those AV popups: "Your computer may be infected. Click here to download our software."
Have gnu, will travel.
Ugh...I googled porn and got a religious article...I specifically trained my filter to blacklist all religious articles!
Try controlling yourselves for once, take some personal responsibility especially since your community is known for shunning members that turn in pedophiles.
Google it.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
I am sick to death of other people's religious and other beliefs trying to come out and demand the rest of the world change for them.
No wonder why society is all screwed up right now.
If you don't like something on the internet, stay the hell away from it, or don't use it. Don't start preaching to me how I should conform to your beliefs.
I sure as hell don't go spreading my spiritual beliefs all in your face and demanding everyone else think like me as a result.
try this, do a google search and simply type in the words "who runs the porn industry". now, did you happen to notice who is overwhelmingly credited here? if these jews are so concerned about "the potential problems that can stem from access to pornography" then maybe they need to stop flooding the market with their own filth. unfortunately that would mean an impact on many of their bank accounts and when it comes to a choice between money and loyalty to God take a wild guess as to whos taking a big ol back seat.
It's pretty bloody refreshing that you have a group that has a set of social values, that are getting together to logically discuss a way that they and their families can access the useful but wild'n'wooly Internet in a way that fits with their precepts, doctrines, and social values.... ...and doesn't make even a whisper about controlling OTHER PEOPLES' access.
That's absolutely wonderful.
I sincerely wish more people in this country would follow their lead and build their lives comfortably along their own beliefs but leave the REST of us ALONE.
You don't want porn? Fine. Don't watch porn. Build your ironclad access controls high and mighty to keep that out - just don't step up and say that the REST OF US can't watch porn either. Then you've crossed a line.
Really, this holds true outside of religious issues too. Want to help the homeless? Fine, pay more taxes, volunteer your time, whatever - just quit insisting on taking more of my paycheck to pay for your moral compunction.
-Styopa
Sorry, but while these orthodox Jews number in the thousands, a very tiny any ineffectual minority of Jews, the number of Muslims who interpret their religion to think these barbaric practices are fine number in the tens of millions at least. Looking at the laws in Muslim-governed countries, I bet that a majority of Muslims support punishment for apostates, something absolutely contrary to the Western concept of human rights when it comes to freedom of religion.
I'm Jewish and even I think this is ridiculous.
If you don't like the internet, keep off it! No one is making you use it...
Same concept applies to strip clubs, casinos, etc...
Where's anti-semitism, borderline or otherwise?! It's just not there! Dude - you're not doing anyone any favours jumping up and down with the anti-semitism bullshit - save it for an occasion when it's actually true because if you don't, all you do is devalue the term and that's probably not a good idea. And really - the NYT is *vaguely* middle left, hardly the extreme left you imply. By international standards it's still pretty right-wing. And they're really not in the business of "smearing" the Jewish community - that's just conspiracy theory nuts.
There is WHAT on the sinternet?!
Privacy is terrorism.
So they whine just like every other Abrahamic cult.
If someone is passing you on the right, you are an asshole for driving in the wrong lane.
Your claim that these practices are universal to Islam is pure bullshit.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The Manifold benefits?? . 'No one here is a Luddite who denies the manifold benefits that technology has brought to mankind as a whole,' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_manifold
There Can Be Only One...
The sooner humans realize this, the better the world will be.
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
As I understand it, he was a pretty serious psychopath as measured by today's standards. This is pretty well documented in the Bible, an important source of Christian/Jewish belief.
Btw, dont google for "crimes of moses" the first link just scar'd me for life.
Not true. Different Islamic groups follow different sets of Hadith, and don't attribute the same importance to all of them either. There's no agreement on which ones should be followed, or even trusted at all, much less how they should be interpreted. In Christian terms, they're Deuterocanonical or Apocrypha.
Add to that there's the whole school of Quranism, which completely rejects all Hadith and holds the Quran as the only canonical text.
I didn't think so.
I said, truthfully, that tens of millions of Muslims at a minimum agree with these practices. That these practices are institutionalized in countries representing hundreds of millions of Muslims, this is a good bet.
I also said most Muslims probably agree with some punishment for what we consider an exercise of human rights. This is also likey true, since almost all Muslim-run countries impose some sort of punishment for exercising freedom of religion or freedom of speech when it runs counter to the rules of Islam.
To state that these practices are limited to a very tiny minority as Muslim apologists are fond of saying is just as wrong as saying these practices are universal.
On Saturdays, Orthodox Jews are not supposed to use anything electrical - not drive cars, not run computers, not use their hair dryers, etc. So runs the belief. Of course, how many actually observe that - be it in the US or Israel - is an open question.
Im sorry (ok so Im not sorry really at all) but religious people should not be able to get to have a say in anything involving the internet, entertainment, government, media, censorship, the enviornment, politics or state/federal policies. Ever.
Just hoping that one day it will be illegal to brainwash your kid in one religion and allow them to make up their own mind...
All religion is bad, being religious *can* be good..... Maybe for the exception of buddism...
Only way current beliefs stay alive is the indoctrination that is done on kids that don't know any better..
"If there are things like an officially safe AdBlock/filter that accords to strict Jewish definitions of porn ..."
I guess girls with pigtails are out then?
Okay, there is way too many religions in this world, and we know not all of them can be right. (IMO, none of them are right, all man made bullshit)
So it's time to stick all the religious people together and let them fight it out. To the death.
Whatever religion ends up with the only survivors, will be the Dominant religion that everyone else can then ignore.
Because I find it offensive that all these "religious" groups want shit special for them. Life isn't good enough for them, so they try to make it worse for others.
Be seeing you...
What people see as Taliban extremism (the maltreatment of women and the utter lack of religious toleration) are Wahabi practices, not Pashtun. (Yes, yes, I know, calling it Wahabi is an oversimplification...but Saudi Islam is a mixture of Wahabi theology and nomadic Arab culture.) The fact that a majority of the Taliban are ethnically Pashtun is irrelevant; a majority of the British National Party are British, and follow many British cultural practices such as drinking beer, but the British people as a whole are far from being neo-Nazis.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Why do you need to meet in a football stadium to figure out that watching too much pornography on the Internet might be bad for your marriage?
god damn these jewish freaks need to to go jump of a cliff.
...if the rest of us watch porn from sunset on Friday night until the stars come out on Saturday night?
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stoked a volatile debate about refugees and migrant workers from Africa, warning that “illegal infiltrators flooding the country” were threatening the security and identity of the Jewish state. “If we don’t stop their entry, the problem that currently stands at 60 000 could grow to 600 000, and that threatens our existence as a Jewish and democratic state,” Netanyahu said at Sunday’s Cabinet meeting. “This phenomenon is very grave and threatens the social fabric of society, our national security and our national identity.”"
http://mg.co.za/article/2012-05-21-israel-on-african-immigrants
Try to say that in New York...
They should be focused on their bronze age science fiction book instead like all good religious idiots.
...as long as nothing but fundamental religious bullshit is filtered!
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."
6. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
10. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
11. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
13. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
14. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
15. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
16. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
17. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
18. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
19. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
20. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
21. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
22. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
23. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
24. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
25. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
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Source http://www.waylanderskeep.com/2009/12/jewish-talmud-quotes/
You can see what Jews actually think of you all above. Yes, non-jews are Goy/Goyim and Gentiles from above, and their beliefs are quoted straight from their own belief systems. Think about that.
Dear Schlomo Cohen,
If you don't want wanking, please don't do it. You have the right to (not) do.
If you don't want to see boobies, porn or any of that, please don't do it. You have the right to (not) do.
If you want your own religious Internet, please make one for yourself, make it kosher, so no other people touch it who belong (or not) to other religious groups.
I am an atheist, I want to be happily masturbating while looking at 3D boobies on-line. Just because I do not like soccer I don't want to ban it. Just because I do not enjoy other males' assholes I don't want to eliminate gays. I am also not enjoying looking at people covered with shit, but if that makes someone happy, then I strongly believe that there should be people covered with shit, having wild sex with each other if they do it by their own will.
Understood? Other people might not agree with your views, religious or else. Put it into your head somehow. You do not have to use the Internet.
These Ultra-Orthodox do not represent the mainstream Orthodox Judaism. There are many completely observant Jews who see the internet as a very helpful advancement---among many things it allows for more Jews to reconnect with their religion. Chabad (one group of the guys you see wearing black hats and suits) even has a very functional helpful website!
I as an observant Jew fully value the internet, and along with most of you would get very agitated/angry were anyone to start messing with my internet freedoms, simply because once some things are filtered, it can lead to others being filtered (not because I want to watch porn).
Therefore I ask that the whole observant Jewish Community please not be judged by what some very-very right wing people decide to publicize. I (again being an observant Jew) feel that the internet should always remain "free".
Just keep off the porn sites. Nobody's MAKING you go there, you schmucks.
Keep your trotters off the web.
MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
For the frum, there is something infinitely worse than porn, Yoshke.
Hahahahahaha! Oh, you were serious? Let me laugh even harder!
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
The Muslims never conquered North Africa, Persia, Arabia, the Middle East and much of Europe and Asia without regard of tribal, linguistic or religious differences. Basic fact, regardless of history, Islam is currently a religion living in centuries past as practiced by the majority that needs to get with the times. If it refuses, it needs to be walled off so its centuries-old barbaric ideas don't infect modern thinking. If it refuses to be walled, any leakage of those elements must be met with severe penalties wherever it is found. Contain it, let it advance, wither or destroy itself, but do not let it influence our societies.
But, no, we have the UN accepting the Muslim resolution to condemn "defamation" of Islam (read: "telling the truth"). This was submitted as "defamation of Islam," then changed to "defamation of religions," but in reality it is treated as defamation of Islam, rooting out anywhere a Muslim may be insulted by someone saying something they don't like. Islam is the only religion singled-out for protection, and it condemns anything that could incite violence, which means anything Muslims don't like, even a simple cartoon.
The Muslims even got the Dutch government to try one of their own politicians for the crime of "hate speech" for speaking his opinion of Islam. This is very, very wrong. The message instead should be "Don't like freedom of speech? Then get the fuck out! Go back to where it means 'freedom of speech that I agree with.'"
Now this is not to say that a modern, Westernized Muslim can't be a great person. I know a few. But that's the kick, they've shed the baggage that those in most Muslim countries still adhere to. Sure, they're personally more conservative than most, just like these Jews, but that affects only themselves. You won't find them demanding Sharia courts to have the parallel religious and civil systems found in the more modern (yet still backwards) Muslim countries so they can violate the rights of women with misogynistic proceedings. Sorry, at least in the US, Sharia is anathema to constitutional rights.
You do realize that's a recently made-up term that is essentially equal to a plutocracy? This probably came about because a few of the smarter leftists realized that the real political term "corporatism" so often bandied about is not restricted to the evil for-profit corporations as they would like, but instead involves any group of people incorporated together as a special interest petitioning the government to address their issues. This means the rich and powerful unions, the ACLU, ACORN, NAACP, GLAD, the Black Panthers, Planned Parenthood, Greenpeace, blacks, Hispanics, the DNC, and the Occupy movement are also included in the definition of a corporation. Can't cast corporate influence as evil when your side is in it just as much as the other one. And, yes, the US is going quite close to corporatism as corporations (all types) send their lobbyists to Washington, wielding a lot of influence, leaving individual voters with little influence except the ballot.
Only they use RFC 1149.
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
Ultra-Orthodox Jews will be Ultra-Orthodox Jews.
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
It explains why jews get kicked nation to nation thru history then. Any father with daughters alone and a set of balls would kick them out of his country in a heartbeat, if not worse. That's the one that bothered me most of a despicable lot which you clearly do not deny exist in the jews own talmud. For a breed of humanity that prides itself on and breeds for intelligence, talk about a stupid move writing down beliefs that would get the rest of humanity down on you like a ton of bricks.
You are apparently a troll. by Morty (32057) on Tuesday May 22, @09:25AM (#40075621)
1st, see subject-line above: Says it all. You also avoid my question(s):
Question: Are you jewish, Mr. Mortimer?
Question: Are you trying to say not a single one of those quotes is real then??
(If so, so much for 'jewish intelligence' then, because you having to resort to an illogical ad hominem attack proves that "it ain't all that" as far as intelligence in debate at this point, as well as you avoiding direct questions too!)
Morty, face it: You do not have the intelligence to get out of this trap, because your own words do you in (just as the jews laws and rules from the talmud do to them vs the rest of the human race).
I will leave off with this site about the quotes, which goes into detail on each one.by Morty (32057) on Tuesday May 22, @08:45AM (#40075239)
See your own words quote from earlier here below, in regards to that statement, Mortimer. It does your source in completely as more deceit:
A person can claim to be anything online. Whoever posted this list is wrong. This is not a list of Jewish beliefs. by Morty (32057) on Tuesday May 22, @08:45AM (#40075239)
Which easily nullifies your attempts at the quote from you above it, which only makes sense, considering more than Libbre David from the Jew Talmud says "jews must lie about anything in the talmud" in essence.
Any reasonable third party reading what I wrote would understand it. So I will not bother explaining again. by Morty (32057) on Tuesday May 22, @09:25AM (#40075621)
No, you're evading questions, and obviously you're all out of aces and your own words do you in above as to your refuting what comes from the jews own talmud. Just as the talmud's written words do to the jews themselves. Talk about stupid.
A person can claim to be anything online. Whoever posted this list is wrong. This is not a list of Jewish beliefs. by Morty (32057) on Tuesday May 22, @08:45AM (#40075239)
In the quote of ur own words I used where u tried to say the source wasn't legit and not actual quotes from the talmud (and you didn't deny they all don't exist either, a dead giveaway).
As far as naysayers of that list of jew talmud beliefs saying it's ok to murder, rob, rape, steal and otherwise deceive and abuse non-jews? See above. There's also multiple sources from it (the jew talmud) that say jews will pull any trick possible to lie about what's written here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2864315&cid=40069393
You're not even good at trying "reverse psychology" for a defense.
Everybody intend to use any new tool/technology to protect their own/group interests.
Casteism
LOL
Can anyone think of a better way to hawk your product to a community than getting them all together at the urging of their spiritual leaders and then to talk about how your product can protect them from all of the evil out there?
I wonder if any of the Rabbis had stock in the company?
I wonder if punctuation is worthwhile?
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
I'm always amused of the fact that Tubgirls pussy is censored :D
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.