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martypantsROK writes "After nearly seven years of living abroad, I'm planning to return to the U.S. in early 2013. Last time I lived there, smart phones weren't out yet. Dropped calls were common, and poor reception (can you hear me now?) was an ad campaign. I'm used to South Korea's wicked speeds, both for internet and wireless networks, and I'm wondering what the Slashdot community believes to be best carrier in the U.S. Which is fastest? Which offers the best deal for lots of data? Nationwide roaming and coverage? Prices? Service?"

375 comments

  1. Is there one? by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's like asking what the best fast food restaurant is.

    1. Re:Is there one? by starworks5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      SmokeMobile - uses smoke signals instead of cell towers.

    2. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like asking what the best fast food restaurant is.

      Good point, although ironically none of them charge anywhere near fast food prices.

    3. Re:Is there one? by suso · · Score: 1

      Good point, although ironically none of them charge anywhere near fast food prices.

      Well, I will say this about US cell phone carriers I was happy to see how much the price of data plans have gone down in price last time I renewed. I think Verizon charges like $30/month for 2GB, which may seem insane, but compared with what they charged back when the whole ".002 cents fiasco" happened 6 years ago (About $209.71 per GB), $15/GB isn't as bad. Of course, its still quite far from what you might pay for overage at a web hosting company ($1/GB) or what you pay per GB with a OC-192 connection (maybe $0.008/GB).

    4. Re:Is there one? by Huge_UID · · Score: 1

      In-N-Out! :-)

    5. Re:Is there one? by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's like asking what the best fast food restaurant is.

      It used to be Wendy's, but they've done something to the bacon, and hiked up the prices. They've gone downhill quite a bit since Dave Thomas died.

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    6. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was recently in Zambia, and it was approximately $30/month for 1Gb data (total download + upload) for phone data or landline internet. It was quite a shock to me when I'd used up my month's internet data within 2 days loading photos to facebook and having several web pages send some streaming data. I wasn't prepared to be spending $15/day for the 2 months for internet.

    7. Re:Is there one? by paiute · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's like asking what the best fast food restaurant is.

      It used to be Wendy's, but they've done something to the bacon, and hiked up the prices. They've gone downhill quite a bit since Dave Thomas died.

      Dave Thomas dies. Their bacon changes taste. Oh, God, no!

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    8. Re:Is there one? by houstonbofh · · Score: 0

      Actually...

      That's like asking what the best fast food restaurant is the best one for steak.

      Stay in South Korea or you will find out how bad are cell phone coverage is.

    9. Re:Is there one? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I think Verizon charges like $30/month for 2GB, which may seem insane
      Yes, that is correct, their 2 GB plan is $30/month, but their unlimited plan, which they no longer offer is only $20/month.

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    10. Re:Is there one? by Genda · · Score: 2

      Yeah, stay away from the Wendy's Soylent Burgers... Their new add campaign focuses on "The familiar taste of Wendy's, just like someone you've always known???"

    11. Re:Is there one? by toejam13 · · Score: 2

      I have the unlimited data plan grandfathered on my account. It is $30 per month.

    12. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Been a really long time since I commented here on /.

      I'm an indirect agent for Verizon. I'll try not to be bias, but I'm putting that out there.

      Our old unlimited plans were also $30/month extra on your phone, I am not sure where the $20/month you mention comes from. The plan since the change away from unlimited was $30/mo for 2gb per phone. Those plans are no longer available for new service contracts.

      Recent share plans start as low as 300mb ($40/mo overall plan price + $40 smartphone), and once you hit the 2gb tier($60/mo plan price +$40 smartphone), its $10/month for every 2gb.

      So 10gb/month($100/mo) is $40/month higher than 2gb/month($60/mo).

      My personal experience and opinion, I DO prefer verizon. I've always had good coverage and network speeds, and I travel to visit family regularly.
      Tmobile is good in some markets, and very competitive with price, but has very limited genuine 4G coverage. (For example my dad is moving, and his new home will have no coverage for his long time carrier since he switched away from Sprint.)

      ATT is usually the slowest network with decent coverage, and I believe their pricing is similar to verizon.
      Sprint is OK, but again, limited market coverage. I like their pricing, but the way they do tiered unlimited is deceiving at times.

    13. Re:Is there one? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      It used to be Wendy's, but they've done something to the bacon, and hiked up the prices.

      In the last year or so, they have also done something to the hamburger they use.

      I used to like Wendy's - now I can't even stomach one of their burgers. They're easily the worst of any major chain.

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    14. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Culvers. Horrible analogy by the way!

    15. Re:Is there one? by msimm · · Score: 1

      Chipotle. Got that for you..

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    16. Re:Is there one? by ewoods · · Score: 1

      I had unlimited thru Verizon for $20/mo. Maybe it's a regional price.

    17. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how bad American spelling is!

    18. Re:Is there one? by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      You are right. I don't know of any fast food restaurants that offer all you can eat, 24 hours a day, for $80 per month.

    19. Re:Is there one? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yep, that too. Honestly, why is the poster wanting to come back to the US anyway? Just about everything is worse here than in SK, except maybe the constant worry about the NK starting another war, but considering how fast SK has improved that doesn't seem to have held anyone there back.

    20. Re:Is there one? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2

      That's like asking what the best fast food restaurant is.

      Wherever you are, it's always something local with only one outlet. Fourth and Sea or Fresh Freeze or Mom's Burger Bar or some such.

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    21. Re:Is there one? by erice · · Score: 1, Informative

      Tmobile is good in some markets, and very competitive with price, but has very limited genuine 4G coverage.

      If by "very limited" mean "they don't have any" then you're right. But then no-one else has LTE-Advanced either and that's only technology being called 4G that genuinely is.

    22. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I still hold a grudge with Verizon for my last dumb phone experiences. Limiting the number of text messages that can be stored on a phone to get more profit out of customers? It was about as ludicrous as charging money for text messaging to begin with.

      Oh, and the phone could play mp3's from an SD card, If you paid for it. Or modified it (guess what I did?).

      And then there's the entire getting on the internet by hitting the wrong button.

      Last but not least, there was the branding. If I remember correctly, the Verizon logo was on both sides of the phone. Then when I upgraded the firmware, they made it alternate with the text I had on the homescreen. "You're using Verizon, and we want to remind you how much we don't give a shit about you!" is what I thought they were communicating to me.

      It's been 3 years since I left, and I'm pretty content with that. AT&T is going to have to get really bad before I want to deal with Verizon again. Bunch of myopic assholes.

    23. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tmobile is good in some markets, and very competitive with price, but has very limited genuine 4G coverage.

      Verizon has terrible 4G coverage. Sure, you'll get 4G from your phone to your tower, which does offer some advantages, but many of their towers simply do not have adequate backhaul capacity to support advertised "4G speeds". AT&T has the advantage of already owning large fiber networks so their backhaul capacity tends to be a lot better, however they seem to be having troubles getting their towers onto 4G in many areas. It's kind of a "flip a coin" situation, to be honest.

      So to answer the original poster, I'll put it like this:
      It all depends on where you plan on going. If you're going to cover a lot of the US in your travels, especially in the more rural areas, then you need either AT&T or Verizon, as the other carriers simply don't have very good coverage (in many cases, they don't have any at all) outside the large metropolitan areas. Between the two, there's honestly not all that much difference if we're going to speak in broad, nation-wide terms. The differences are mostly regional- for example in one rural area AT&T will do much better, but drive a few hours and it's Verizon with the upper hand.
      If you're going to mostly be in the larger, denser population areas, or restricted to just the East or West coasts (for example), going with someone like Sprint or TMobile might not be a bad idea, but you'll need to look at the reviews, etc. from the specific area you'll be in.

    24. Re:Is there one? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      I have had many providers.

      Each had dead areas.

      Currently on sprint which has unlimited data and texts.
      I liked AT&T's rollover minutes.

      Best is to get friends with cell phones of the desired provider to go to areas you are going to call from a lot (like your work and house) and tell you how many bars they get there.

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    25. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recent share plans start as low as 300mb ($40/mo overall plan price + $40 smartphone), and once you hit the 2gb tier($60/mo plan price +$40 smartphone), its $10/month for every 2gb.

      So 10gb/month($100/mo) is $40/month higher than 2gb/month($60/mo).

      Those prices are fucking insane and there is no way that I'm paying for that over ANY kind of unlimited from Sprint. I don't give a shit about coverage. Those data prices are straight out of the 90's.

    26. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 Guys

    27. Re:Is there one? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      You can't just put that out there, and not tell us! What IS the best fast food restaurant?

    28. Re:Is there one? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      because Koreans are freaking idiots with zero common sense and even less logic. Honestly, I'd rather spend time with the idiots I know rather the clowns here. If all I had to worry about was internet/phone speeds, I'd stay, but there is life beyond the 'net

    29. Re:Is there one? by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      Thumbs up for In-N-Out, although I gotta give Five Guys a try since I've read this in the LA Times. Ever since I read this, the concept of fast-food being more desirable than a double-double is freaking me out. http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-five-guys-burger-mcdonalds-20120918,0,2348963.story

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    30. Re:Is there one? by Grimbleton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you go to Wendy's for anything but a spicy chicken sandwich you're doing it all wrong.

    31. Re:Is there one? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      because Koreans are freaking idiots with zero common sense and even less logic.

      Um, how long has it been since you've been to America? You do realize this is the home of Focus on the Family, the Creationist Museum, etc., don't you?

      Of course, things depend a lot on exactly where in the USA you're moving to, which I don't think you've revealed here. If you're trying to avoid total idiocy, you'll probably want to stay on the coasts.

      Also, if you're single, surely the prospects are better in Korea; all the women here are obese and have kids when they're teenagers.

    32. Re:Is there one? by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      Dave Thomas dies. Their bacon changes taste. Oh, God, no!

      Remember the hog shortage? I mean, with the price of meat what it is, when you get it, if you get it...

      Also bear in mind that the flavor varies from person to person.

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    33. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live on the east coast, so I'm quite familiar with Five Guys, and I recently had the chance to try In-N-Out. I'd been told it was the Five Guys of the west coast, but it's nowhere near as good as the real deal.

    34. Re:Is there one? by jacknifetoaswan · · Score: 1

      I've been to Five Guys a bunch of times, and they're shite. Greasy burger, no seasoning. Just not very good. If you want a great burger, try Cheeburger Cheeburger.

    35. Re:Is there one? by Fuzi719 · · Score: 1

      +1 to that response!

    36. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Zimbabwe Africa, EcoNet charges just $US6 per 100MB. That is $US18 per 300MB. But, speeds are slower. The phone, with 5 minutes airtime (applied to telephone and texting), is $US35. I would not be the first to notice that telecom costs in the US are far greater and provide far less than in other countries, developed and otherwise. In my personal opinion, that is one reason the US is so far behind telecom development in other nations.

    37. Re:Is there one? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Taco Bell.
      Cheap.
      Fast.
      Edible.
      Has real vegetables.

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    38. Re:Is there one? by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 2

      Disagree 100%. They used to be just like any other chain, with a slightly different flavor. Now their burgers are up there with "Casual Dining" burgers. Ever since they started the "Never Frozen" thing, their burger quality has skyrocketed.

    39. Re:Is there one? by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 1

      Disagree 100%... unless you LIKE the taste of fried frozen meat husks. They used to be just like any other chain, with a slightly different flavor. Since they started the "Never Frozen" thing, their burgers are up there with "Casual Dining" burgers. Their burger quality has skyrocketed and is easily the BEST of any fast food chain.

    40. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They switched to an applewood smoked bacon. I like it a lot more. I _hate_ their new fries. Those "homestyle" things suck ass.

    41. Re:Is there one? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      The closest I can figure out is Straight Talk.

      Pros:
      AT&T's network - superior coverage to T-Mobile or Sprint
      GSM - can use any unlocked phone that supports AT&T's UMTS frequency bands (nearly all international flagships do - this is NOT the case for T-Mobile's AWS band. Until recently the only phone not sold by T-Mo that supported this band was the HSPA+ Galaxy Nexus)
      Reasonably priced - $45/mo for unlimited voice and texts and 2GB data - No forced subsidy penalty for bringing your own device
      No contract

      Cons:
      No LTE, but AT&T's LTE deployment isn't too heavy anyway
      Their 2GB is advertised as "unlimited" but it's not. This really bothers me. That said, even if you treat it as a 2GB limit, it's a great plan in terms of pricing

      When my AT&T contract is up, I'm hopping over there.

      DO NOT go to Verizon - they're horrible in terms of software updates for their devices (even the Galaxy Nexus gets slow updates on VZW), and non-Verizon devices compatible with their network don't exist.

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    42. Re:Is there one? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      This probably explains a lot in regards to my recent frustrating dealings with Samsung Korea as a CyanogenMod maintainer.

      The US guys seem to want to do the right thing and are very intelligent - but the Koreans keep crippling them with illogical irrationality.

      For example, even though all of their international devices have unlocked bootloaders, the very first stage of their boot sequence is locked down. The end result is that while the CPU is capable of booting directly from USB even if the bootloader chain on flash is totally corrupt, no one outside of Samsung can do this.

      What does this mean? If the bootloaders on flash get corrupted, you need to solder JTAG wires to some pads on the board to recover it. Even Samsung's official updates always brick a few devices.

      Their justification for this - they want to prevent warranty claims due to bootloader corruption. DAFUQ? This lockdown does NOTHING AT ALL to prevent bootloader corruption (their official flashing tool will happily clobber the bootloader partition with zeros if you tell it to, no questions asked, no lockdown.), but it DOES prevent people from recovering from corruption. They have done something that increases warranty claims for their devices, and their justifcation is that they want to reduce warranty claims? DAFUQ?

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    43. Re:Is there one? by footNipple · · Score: 1

      Why haven't you moved to South Korea?

    44. Re:Is there one? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Are you people nuts? I pay $10/mo for 2GB unlimited from T-Mobile. After 2GB over 4G LTE, it drops me to Edge slow shit but I don't pay any more. If I want to get LTE forever I pay $30/mo, but honestly I use a couple hundred megs a month. I'd have the $5 200MB plan, but that one charges after you overrun.

    45. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just in case you don't know when you renew your contract it isn't grandfathered anymore.

    46. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded? That's your reasoning?

    47. Re:Is there one? by router · · Score: 3, Informative

      T-Mobile Monthly. 60$, 2GB 4G, unlimited slow after that. Unlimited text and voice. Spotty coverage for data, but sometimes blazing fast (SF bay area, LA, etc).

      Most importantly, no hassles! Pay. Works. Don't pay, doesn't work. No contract. No activation fees. No fee fees. OMFG awesome.

      You have to provide your own phone. Google Galaxy Nexus was my choice, but then I like the Google infrastructure.

      andy

    48. Re:Is there one? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Chipotle is crappy compared to Qdoba, but better than Taco Bell.

    49. Re:Is there one? by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Elevation Burger is way and ahead the best fast food burgers. Sadly there's only about a hundred of them so far. Happily one is near me.

      Secret is that they only use organic grass-fed free range beef. Once you taste it, everyone elses patties taste like crap by comparison.

    50. Re:Is there one? by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      Cellular spectrum is a far more precious resource than wired bandwidth, so I'd expect some cost differences.

    51. Re:Is there one? by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      We have a Five Guys in my city in Saskatchewan now, and it's pretty good, but I still get a double-double animal style from In-N-Out every time I get to San Diego.

    52. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sprint... limited market coverage"

      Sprint used to roam to Verizon networks (compatible technology, or some such). Did that change?

    53. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is like asking who the best political candidate is. In both scenarios, all you're really doing is picking the lesser of evils.

    54. Re:Is there one? by SkimTony · · Score: 1

      Be careful how you calculate things. Verizon's new "Share Everything" plans, which are not optional, charge you for data and then charge you per device. So if you have a $30/2GB plan, and you have one smartphone, you're looking at $70 for data. This, at least, is what the Verizon web site told me when I looked up plans this week.

    55. Re:Is there one? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Google Galaxy Nexus and Samsung Galaxy S3 are the top tier phones in the world right now. I get 450min for my $60/mo but I don't use nearly that much.

    56. Re:Is there one? by SkimTony · · Score: 1

      Five Guys is definitely a step up from the usual fast food junk, but it doesn't hold a candle to In-N-Out. Not even a little.

    57. Re:Is there one? by SkimTony · · Score: 1

      I always found Qdoba to be the greasiest of the Faux-Mex chains. I wonder if that was a local issue - the Qdoba closest to me closed about two years ago. They were also the cheapest (then Moe's, then Chipotle), but I never really liked their food.

    58. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The network coverage at this point is almost negligible between carriers. Unless you're using a very localized carrier like Boost Mobile or MetroPCS, you shouldn't have too many issues on any of the networks. I know from my own experience that Verizon isn't all it's cracked up to be. Half the time my phone has little to no service, and lately it has been dropping calls in more places than ever. My phone regularly shows that I have full or nearly full service... until I actually try to use it. Then it drops to next to nothing, or just doesn't work as advertised. I don't live in some remote part of the country either. I'm just over an hour outside of NYC. A few months ago I was out with friends in an area where we both had full service. My friend has an iPhone on the AT&T network, and I have a Droid 2 Global on Verizon. I tried to show her a video on youtube, but my phone kept buffering to the point where the video was unwatchable. 2 or 3 seconds of video followed by a minute or so of buffering. She then tried to load it on her phone, and it loaded and started playing immediately without any lag! And this is not the first time I have seen things like that. 4G is not all it's cracked up to be either. Unless you're in a densely populated area, you'll be lucky to get 4G coverage, and your phones battery life will plummet trying to connect.

      I have already spoken to Verizon many many times about various issues, and after being a customer for almost 13 years, I will be cancelling in a couple months at the end of this contract. My plan is to get an unlocked GSM phone (possibly Galaxy Nexus) and a sim card through straight talk wireless. For $45/month I will have unlimited everything running on either AT&T or TMobile's network (I can choose which one I want a sim card for). There is no 4G support, but it does support HSPA+ which seems more than fast enough for surfing the web or downloading apps (and is noticeably faster than verizon's 3G service). Verizon's pricing is getting more expensive for less "stuff" as well. I get a 20% access discount through work, but at $45/month with straight talk, I will still be paying HALF of what I pay to Verizon, getting the same coverage, faster data speeds, unlimited voice and text....

      Even though my current smart phone has a GSM slot, I have discovered (though this was never disclosed to me at any point by Verizon), that the phone is blocked from connecting to any carriers in the US, and can only be used overseas... So ultimately the phone is a complete piece of garbage after my verizon contract is done. Well done Verizon...

    59. Re:Is there one? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it's Texas-Mexican border food, not Mexican proper, so you really can't claim it's faux-Mexican. You can make claims on how well it emulates food culture close to but north of the big river.

      Also, to be fair, most 'Mexican' food here is shitty because it's not greasy. Look at a jar of salsa one day, do you see lard? How much lard do you think went into your Mission tortillas? Guess what? Mexicans use a lot of lard. That's pork, in case you didn't know.

      We need more lard in our pseudo-Mexican food so we can have authentic pseudo-Mexican food.

    60. Re:Is there one? by gonzo_ks · · Score: 1

      Still glad to be grandfathered in on the unlimited data!

    61. Re:Is there one? by DrEnter · · Score: 1

      If you will live anywhere south of Virginia and east of Nevada, swap AT&T for Verizon in this description (all the way down to the finally "is usually slowest" comment). Even the prices are similar.

    62. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would like to mention the chili is pretty tasty– and it's low fat and high fiber too.

    63. Re:Is there one? by Kookus · · Score: 1

      Spicy chicken nuggets!

    64. Re:Is there one? by Cyberherbalist · · Score: 1

      Amen to that! Their fries are far better than anyone elses, though.

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    65. Re:Is there one? by jacknifetoaswan · · Score: 1

      We don't have In-N-Out on the east coast. It makes me sad. At least we have Sonic.

    66. Re:Is there one? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Also, if you're single, surely the prospects are better in Korea; all the women here are obese and have kids when they're teenagers.

      You must live in Mississippi, home to the world's largest collection of morbidly obese people. Everywhere else, one in three is fat and most women wait until they're almost 30.

    67. Re:Is there one? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I have the unlimited data plan grandfathered on my account. It is $30 per month.
      Mine may have been cheaper because I had an old Alltel account, or it may be because I am on a family plan. But it was definitely $20 a month. They said that in order to make a change on my account I would have to pay $10 more for the 2GB plan instead of the unlimited account I am on now. I don't think paying an additional $10 a month is worth having 2/infinity amount of the service.

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    68. Re:Is there one? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Taco Bell.

      Rude employees, restaraunt stinks like urine thanks to the soap they use (McDonald's had the same problem 20 years ago), barely edible, you can get an excellent Burrito from La Bamba that not only is delicious, but authentic Mexican for cheaper, s...l...o...w... service -- last time I was there I waited half an hour in line.

      How much Taco Bell stock do you own, fellow? If you're high up in their organization you might want to do something about the ones in Springfield, IL, because they suck in every way a restaraunt can suck.

      Taco Bell makes McDonald's look like a real restaraunt... and that's really BAD.

    69. Re:Is there one? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I live in Arizona. It's not much better than Mississippi. And I don't think most of the Southern and midwest states are much better.

      One in three is fat and most wait until they're 30? You must live someplace like northern California to say that. That place is **not** typical for the country.

    70. Re:Is there one? by Cramer · · Score: 1

      The network coverage at this point is almost negligible between carriers.

      This is untrue -- unless you mean they all suck in some way. Your experience is highly dependant on the specific phone in use, the carrier, and the exact square foot of earth on which you're standing.

    71. Re:Is there one? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure which chain you're talking about because Wendy's has always had "Fresh, Never Frozen" burgers. It's just that within the past year or two, since they switched from the Big Bacon Classic to the Baconator as their premium burger, the flavour has plummetted and so has the bang for the buck.

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    72. Re:Is there one? by steveg · · Score: 1

      Unless you keep your old contract and buy your new phone outright.

      And then you have to keep in mind that they will give you unlimited data, but will throttle everything over some threshhold so it really isn't that unlimited after all.

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    73. Re:Is there one? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      I'm telling you - logic has no place in this country. I could give you example after example of things, but trying to get them to see logic is a headbanging

    74. Re:Is there one? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      Been 7 seven years, but I read the news. I understand that American is politically jacked up and women are fat. But I got me one of them slim, sexy Korean wives, so I won't be needing one of your fat American girls :)

    75. Re:Is there one? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      Yup. But getting opinions of real users rather than trying to sift through the marketing BS from the carriers is much more fun

    76. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, I am.

      With love,
        AC

    77. Re:Is there one? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The middle of Illinois. Few young people are fat, but we have our share of fatasses. I guessed Mississippi because a recent study/survey showed that they had the highest obesity rate in the country.

    78. Re:Is there one? by DeBaas · · Score: 1

      Wow, first this thread goes on and on about which fast food restaurant everyone prefers, then people complain about the obese women.

      I just love this about Slashdot :-)

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    79. Re:Is there one? by cusco · · Score: 1

      Started the 'never frozen' thing? I worked at Wendys in 1981 and it was all fresh hamburger even then.

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    80. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, after lots of research, I went with the:
      T-Mobile Monthly 30$ plan.
      4GB 4g data, unlimited slow after that.
      Unlimited texts and 100 minutes talk.
      http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/monthly-4g-plans

      The only hassle is that it's not easily described how to sign up for the deal.

    81. Re:Is there one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They started the 'never frozen' thing back in 1969 when Dave opened the 1st Wendys.

    82. Re:Is there one? by company+suckup · · Score: 0

      Must be a franchisee thing because around here (Peoria, IL.) Taco Bell's have without question the friendliest staff I've ever seen. The food is good although I don't go to TB looking for authentic cuisine.

  2. Verizon by djwyldeone · · Score: 1, Informative

    Depends on your location. Verizon has been the strongest as far as signal and speed form my experience.

    1. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      From what I can tell, in terms of speed and signal reliability this guy is correct. However, in terms of reasonable pricing, I would try one of the pre-paid plans (Boost, Tmobile, StraightTalk). I'm on Tmobile's $30 / month plan that only has 100 minutes but has unlimited text and data (2 or 5 gigs at HSPA+ then down to edge. HSPA+ is short of 4g LTE speed but still quite fast). I circumvent the minutes limit by routing calls through Google Voice, and while to set that up was a hassle, I'm very much enjoying my $30/month bill for all the data capabilities I've been allotted.

    2. Re:Verizon by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Verizon doesn't work at my house but AT&T does and Boost mobile did, at least until they upgraded their tower when that stopped working too. Now I'm stuck with AT&T but the service, particularly the 4G is great. Not at all what I expected.

    3. Re:Verizon by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Depends on your location.

      This.

      Verizon has been the strongest as far as signal and speed form my experience.

      It's the exact opposite in southern (don't know about northern) Louisiana.

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    4. Re:Verizon by narcc · · Score: 4, Informative

      It depends on where you live. Verizon has more than a few completely dead spots where I live, and virtually no signal at my workplace, so they're completely out of the running.

      The wife is on Sprint, which is worse than useless here as well -- she'll be switching to a different provider in January.

      I'm on AT&T now. I haven't found a spot that it doesn't work locally, and I haven't noticed any issues while traveling.

      Of course, YMMV.

    5. Re:Verizon by kerashi · · Score: 1

      Where I live (Northeast Arkansas) AT&T coverage is pretty spotty. Verizon is much better, though there's a big dead zone right on the AR/MO border. Once you cross into Southeast Missouri, Verizon coverage starts getting spotty. I'm with Verizon because my AT&T phone wouldn't ring when I was at home. Took the phone back within 2 days and got out of contract. AT&T still tried to bill me $640 early termination fee, though, took over an hour on the phone to sort THAT out.

    6. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you say, depends on where you are. When I moved, (a) couldn't get a signal at my house, (b) they couldn't give me a local number, and (c) they still wouldn't let me out of my contract.

    7. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh have you been to most places? I'd say it's impossible to claim that either Verizon or AT&T are better in most places and pretty useless. My home town is somehow known as a Verizon is better area. Probably because their headquarters is nearby and they have signal around the high school, but AT&T is the only one with signal at/around my house. I would say that they're about equal in this area, but where you actually plan on using your device makes a huge difference. Trying to generalize which one has better coverage is useless, he needs to figure out where he'll be living/working and talk to people in that area.

    8. Re:Verizon by DeusExCalamus · · Score: 1

      Depends on your location.

      This.

      Verizon has been the strongest as far as signal and speed form my experience.

      It's the exact opposite in southern (don't know about northern) Louisiana.

      Lafayette region here, no problems with signal...voice/3g/4g all work fine.

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    9. Re:Verizon by markzip · · Score: 3, Informative

      +1 to this
      (Assuming you are going to be spending the majority of your time in an urban area)
      Get an unlocked Galaxy Nexus (or whatever the next Nexus is) and use it on the Straight Talk T Mobile service.
      Here's a pretty comprehensive guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646755 Plus, here's another vote for T-Mobile's customer service.

    10. Re:Verizon by Orphaze · · Score: 1

      Uhh have you been to most places? I'd say it's impossible to claim that either Verizon or AT&T are better in most places and pretty useless.

      No, but I have been to many different cities across the US, often traveling with others not all on Verizon, and found my coverage to generally be superior than competing networks. And as I already mentioned, this becomes doubly apparent as soon as you get outside of a major city, where the difference often means Verizon==coverage, and anything else == nothing. (Let me be clear though that I don't want to be a shill for Verizon - they are an evil company with absurd pricing, but you can't argue with their coverage.)

      where you actually plan on using your device makes a huge difference. Trying to generalize which one has better coverage is useless, he needs to figure out where he'll be living/working and talk to people in that area.

      The OP asked for the best provider in the US, not the best provider for his parent's house corner bedroom in Appleton, Wisconsin. This suggests that he does not yet know where he will end up, or may be traveling across the US, and thus be in need of a good all-around-carrier. You most certainly can generalize that.

    11. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must, and I do mean MUST, always use your phone in the centers of major cities. Go to the edge of a city and you'll be lucky to get one bar, dropped calls are the norm, and "can you repeat that" is your catch phrase. I will never use AT&T again once my contract is up. They should be class-action lawsuited to oblivion.

    12. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As others have made clear, you won't have many options as it depends on your location and which of the four Big Telecom -- AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon -- has a lock on that area. America, an alleged bastion of Free Market competition, by federal mandate gives those four monopoly status and collusion power to unilaterally set pricing. There's plenty of smaller, local services but they have to negotiate contracts with Big Telecom. I'm with service called Credo because I prefer their stance on social issues but they work off the Sprint network.
      Wireless services are becoming real popular but Big Telecom makes sure their lobbyists in D.C. have plenty of cash and hookers on hand to influence our 'public servants' in Congress to make any significant breakthroughs giving the American public more and better options.
      Look into a service like Ting if you want to avoid the typical 2-yr vendor lock-in contracts and fair price plans, but again, it's location dependent.

    13. Re:Verizon by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Interesting. The sections of New Orleans + suburbs that my wife and I frequent, plus the areas of Hammond and rural Tangipahoa that we travel to are all weak.

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    14. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I circumvent the minutes limit by routing calls through Google Voice, and while to set that up was a hassle, I'm very much enjoying my $30/month bill for all the data capabilities I've been allotted.

      I'm on the same $30 plan as well (with the same Google Voice setup) but I'm afraid to inform you that Google Voice is not VoIP - your cell minutes are still being used. When someone calls your Google Voice number, Google simply routes the call to your Tmobile number. Same for outgoing calls - the Google Voice app transparently has your Google Voice number call the intended recipient and then calls you to create a conference call. Check your minute statements. Also, if you have auto pay set up, they'll auto deduct $30 when you hit 0 minutes instead of waiting for the 30 days to be up.

      As for the hassle... I'm not sure what issue you ran into. You just have to click next a few times.

    15. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on your location.

      This.

      Verizon has been the strongest as far as signal and speed form my experience.

      It's the exact opposite in southern (don't know about northern) Louisiana.

      Hammond area here. Before AT&T offered any decent Android phones, I decided to try Verizon for a month because I really did NOT want an iPhone but a smartphone would really come in handy for work. Picked up an HTC Incredible and... well, long story short, I loved the phone... but I had NO service on it at home (I live a little outside of town). My old AT&T phone continued to have anywhere from 2 to 4 bars in the same locations. Verizon was fine everywhere else I went, but having no service at home was obviously a deal breaker.

    16. Re:Verizon by sayno2quat · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure when GP mentioned it was a hassle to set up, they were referring to setting up Google Voice so it was VOIP. This can be done with GrooVeIP (android app) or using any number of SIP apps with a SIP proxy server. It can be done so that Google Voice uses zero minutes and only data.

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    17. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The $30/month plan you highlighted is really the bee's knees (I'm on the same plan). Aside from the great value, something that wasn't highlighted is the billing difference between pre-paid and post-paid plans. In a post-paid plan, in the US at least, a $30/month plan will end up costing the subscriber $40/month or more after relevant taxes and fees. With a pre-paid plan, with T-Mobile at least, the final bill is $30. Exactly $30, never more, never less. That is the way billing in general should be: predictable.

    18. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, excellent. I did not know that. I just purchased GrooVeIP and I'll give it a try tonight. Thanks!

    19. Re:Verizon by Corporate+Gadfly · · Score: 1

      I'm on the same $30 plan as well (with the same Google Voice setup) but I'm afraid to inform you that Google Voice is not VoIP - your cell minutes are still being used. When someone calls your Google Voice number, Google simply routes the call to your Tmobile number. Same for outgoing calls - the Google Voice app transparently has your Google Voice number call the intended recipient and then calls you to create a conference call. Check your minute statements. Also, if you have auto pay set up, they'll auto deduct $30 when you hit 0 minutes instead of waiting for the 30 days to be up.

      As for the hassle... I'm not sure what issue you ran into. You just have to click next a few times.

      You can use Talkatone for making calls via Google Voice using XMPP. I don't have a data plan at all and am almost always near a known WiFi access point. So, I keep that app on all the time and can receive incoming as well as outgoing calls over my GV phone number.

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    20. Re:Verizon by ericcc65 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure when GP mentioned it was a hassle to set up, they were referring to setting up Google Voice so it was VOIP. This can be done with GrooVeIP (android app) or using any number of SIP apps with a SIP proxy server. It can be done so that Google Voice uses zero minutes and only data.

      Is that on WiFi only or does it use the native data capability of the phone to route calls over the data link?

    21. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on the Virgin mobile $35/month unlimited data and 300 minutes. I'm in Portland Oregon and get pretty good coverage hooking up to 4G (not LTE) most of the time.

    22. Re:Verizon by sayno2quat · · Score: 1

      It can use Wifi and cellular data. I think the free version of GrooVeIP might restrict the ability to use the program over cell data, but I know the paid version can do this. And SIP programs work over cellular data as well.

      However, you need a reliable connection, and a fast one as well. The 3G I get from Virgin Mobile is not very good, so I disabled calling over 3G. It's usable in a pinch (like it is at the end of the monthly cycle and I've used up all my minutes), but it usually has a large delay (sometimes a second or more).

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    23. Re:Verizon by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Definitely depends on where you'll be living and where you anticipate traveling. I was very happy with Alltel as they have the best coverage in rural NM and AZ and very good partnering agreements with others, but they got swallowed up by Verizon so that's now my vendor. Where I live, it's Verizon or AT&T, and it ain't gonna be AT&T.

      I understand our area may be upgraded to 4G LTE by the end of next year.

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  3. Curious about Ting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    TIng is a new provider running on Sprint's network. They have a really interesting a-la-carte plan, reasonable rates. No iPhone. Anyone tried it yet? Considering a switch from Verizon, which is just Far Too Expensive and Corporate for my taste.

    1. Re:Curious about Ting by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      Seems like Ting is only a better deal than Virgin Mobile (which also runs on Sprint) if you select a fairly limited plan. Still, that could be good for light users.

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    2. Re:Curious about Ting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ting is awesome, if you're going to keep your cell phone usage under control.

    3. Re:Curious about Ting by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Page Plus is a VZW counterpart; depending on how you use it is actually cheaper. My plan is $80 for 1850-2000 minutes for up to 365 days (the variable is the $0.50/mo charge against the $80, so if you stretch it out 12 months you 'lose' 150 4-cent minutes).

      Since it is VZW network, coverage is what you expect from VZW & I have been very happy with their service - especially since you can get a local dealer to work with and call a guy (during business hours) who answers his cell phone to assist if you need something (I can still call the toll-free number as well). I can't get that with the major carriers, nor 154 min/mo for $6.67/mo tax-included - great for those of us anti-socials on /.

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    4. Re:Curious about Ting by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Don't the providers that piggie back like Boost and Virgin not do roaming? I'm currently on Sprint and took a trip to the Southwest last year. Sprint didn't have coverage but I had full bars out in the middle of no where roaming on Verizon. I would have been screwed if I couldn't roam.

    5. Re:Curious about Ting by ipxodi · · Score: 1

      I switched to Ting in August.
      The "catch" is that you pay retail for the phone. (not subsidized by two year agreements like on most carriers.) You can stop Ting anytime with no penalty. Even "suspend" your account if you don't need it for a while.

      So I paid $240 for A Galaxy S2.
      With 2 days left till my bill, I have used 101 minutes, sent 287 txts and used 60Mb of data -- so unless I suddenly make 400 minutes of calls, send 700 texts or download 40Mb of data, my bill will be $23.
      (Yes, I'm a light user -- and I tend to do most of my surfing/downloading when I've got wi-fi)

      I've calculated that when I switch over my wife and daughter too, I will be saving $100+ per month over AT&T. Even with paying full-price on the phones, it'll pay for itself in about 6 months.

      The bad thing is that Sprint is not a great choice outside of major metros. Up here in New England, I'm roaming pretty frequently -- no cost for voice on that, but Ting doesn't "roam" data, so access to wi-fi becomes more necessary.

      Overall, for $100/month savings, I'm willing to put up with a little aggravation when it comes to signal coverage.

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    6. Re:Curious about Ting by Boba001 · · Score: 1

      I've been a Ting customer since March (right after they came out of their beta period) and I would recommend them as long as you have good Sprint coverage in your area and can afford paying for your phone(s) up front. They've had some growing pains (mostly related to their device selection) but are a very straightforward company in regards to billing, support, etc. If you check out their blog and support forums, you can see responses from the company regarding their pricing philosophy (only pay for your usage, no free minute/rollover/unlimited gimmicks), pro-phone hacking (threads regarding rooting phones they offer), future device lineup, LTE rollout plans, iPhone plans, etc.

      My monthly bill comes out to about $30 (after taxes) for 2 HTC smartphones using 100MB of data, 1,000 text messages and 500 minutes.

      Feel free to use my referral link to get $25 off a device. :)

      https://zdc121s16.ting.com/

    7. Re:Curious about Ting by Boba001 · · Score: 1

      Ting can roam to Verizon for voice/text only, no data.

    8. Re:Curious about Ting by Boba001 · · Score: 1

      I switched from Virgin Mobile to Ting because of the better device selection, multiple phones/lines per account, and the ability to roam to the Verizon network if needed (not very often).

  4. Here's one place to look and one I was considering by be99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.opensignalmaps.com - Great for telling you coverage of the various phone providers. If you're going for sprint, try www.ting.com (I don't work for them) - but that said, they seem to be the most sane in terms of billing.

  5. Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 0

    Verizon touts it has great coverage, but they dropped my calls maybe 50% of the time, no exaggeration. I couldn't cancel because they had me in a contract. I even was going on a first date with a pretty girl, but she wanted me to pick her up instead of meet at the place. She called me, I asked who it was, and then the phone dropped. I thought she hung up on me. She thought I hung up on her. Then she didn't want to talk to me again.

    I eventually cancelled Verizon and went to Google Voice with a smart phone, and wifi. Turns out Google Voice isn't good though because it didn't have good enough call quality and often you couldn't understand what the person was saying. This was a land line "solution" anyway.

    Last Christmas, my mom bought me a trak phone from Walmart and I haven't had a dropped call I remember. Verizon dropped hundreds of calls, but the Trak Phone dropped close to 0! Also Trak Phones are maybe 1/3 to 1/10 as expensive depending on your minutes use.

    Now if you need a data plan for a smart phone so you basically have a mobile computer, I can't help you sir.

    1. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      I have the same experience. Switched from AT&T to Verizon, and I get a lot more dropped calls with Verizon. The myth that Verizon is better is just that.

    2. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never had a dropped call on Verizon...must depend on your region.

    3. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by iamnobody2 · · Score: 2

      if you're a heavy user tracfone is magnitudes more expensive then pretty much any plan with any company.

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    4. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      That's the point though. Coverage varies greatly depending on location. Verizon and AT&T seem to work most anywhere but from my experience I've never been anywhere Verizon worked and AT&T didn't although I have seen places AT&T worked and Verizon didn't. Not very many though but my house is one of them.

    5. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

      Well consider yourself lucky then. I told the company 50% of my calls drop making it next to impossible to talk to anyone, and they didn't offer me ANYTHING. They just offered to upgrade my plan for more minutes greedily. You'd think the company would have let me exit the contract since their service was grossly faulty. It didn't matter where I was or how many bars I had, I'd drop calls all day long. So I had bad experience with their cell phone coverage, and bad experience with their customer support.

    6. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by msauve · · Score: 1

      Coverage quality depends on location, and therefore how much you travel. You do know that Tracfone doesn't have their own network, and uses the Verizon network for some of their phones/locations, right? Tracfone seems to favor T-Mobile and Sprint, neither of which have very good coverage outside of metro areas.

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    7. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by loosescrews · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This has more to do with GSM vs CDMA. There was an article on Slashdot recently about how CDMA has "won" the protocol war because it can handle more simultaneous connections. What wasn't mentioned is that the main difference is that GSM tries to keep all current connections regardless of signal strength, while CDMA drops the poor signal calls if the tower is near capacity and a handset with a strong signal call is attempting place a call. As a consumer, I went for GSM. In the U.S., this means AT&T or T-Mobile, or a MVNO like Trak Phone or SIMple Mobile. I also like the GSM device selection better.

      LTE may be changing this, though.

      It is interesting to see which countries went with CDMA over GSM. As far as I know, only the U.S., China and Mexico use CDMA.

    8. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is Verizon's network is designed around dropping low priority calls. Do you think because I was on a low minutes plan that they rated me less of a customer and this is why I was dropped non stop?

    9. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low signal quality != low priority.

    10. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Not only the simultaneous connections (due to orthogonal signaling) but also due to its longer range and higher capacity in general. GSM being TDMA has a strict limit of 20 per tower and bandwidth usage is far less efficient.

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    11. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's pretty much switched in places like Nevada. I worked out of an office in Reno not too long ago and part of my job involved going to a lot of towns all over the northern part of the state (and eastern california, too), and management, to be helpful, decided to get everyone cellular modem thingies...and went with AT&T. Which only really worked in Reno (and Carson City, to be fair). It was a huge head-desky moment, especially as we told them a bunch of times that AT&T did not get reception most of the places we were going. But apparently AT&T had a better deal. Except then they were paying money for something no one was using.

    12. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by GoatCheez · · Score: 1

      I've never had a dropped call with Verizon. Are you sure it wasn't your phone that had the issue?

    13. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by GoatCheez · · Score: 1

      I think it's because you had a phone that had bad reception. I've never had a dropped call on Verizon networks. My experiences are mostly limited to the east coast of the US.

    14. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by _merlin · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, he's talking out his arse. For one, his talk about CDMA use is nonsense - Korea, Japan and Vietnam all use US-style CDMA, and Australia did for a while before dropping it. The most widespread 3G system is W-CDMA (called UMTS when it's run at 2.1GHz), so all the world is using a form of CDMA.

      On the technical front, he's talking crap, too. The way CDMA works is that everyone on a channel transmits on the same frequency at the same time, but everyone's signal is scrambled using a different permutation of the "convolution code". This means that to each user, every other user's signal appears as noise. The scrambling needs to be precisely synchronised for this to work properly, hence the need for high-accuracy, (typically GPS-derived) time in base stations. It also means that adding more users to a channel just degrades the signal for everyone and gradually reduces the effective coverage area of the base. This is sold as an advantage, as you don't need as many bases to get coverage of the same size area if users are sparse.

      The complication comes in when you have a nearby mobile and a more remote mobile: assuming they have the same transmission power capability, if both transmit as full power, the nearby mobile's signal, appearing as noise when the base is trying to decode the remote mobile's signal, will totally swamp it. The base has to actively manage the transmit power of all mobile stations so that each one is transmitting at the lowest power at which it can receive a reliable signal. This is a complicated optimisation problem that uses lots of CPU power in the base station. It sends literally hundreds of transmit power management messages each second to each mobile. W-CDMA, with wide 5MHz channels, also gives the base station freedom to assign different size parts of the code tree to different mobiles, allowing bandwidth and reliability to be traded off on yet another level.

      The reason you can get dropouts is that a bad decision by the base, or a badly behaved mobile that's closer to the base than you can cause the base to lose your signal. Also, excessive users on the channel (i.e. network operator not building enough base stations for number of users) will tend to cause the people with marginal signal to lose their connection.

      By comparison, in a TDMA system (like GSM, iDEN or TETRA) each active mobile is assigned a timeslot, and they only transmit/receive in their allocated timeslot. Once you have a timeslot (making a call or establishing a CSD connection), it's yours until you give it up as long as you'e in the cell. If there are too many active users in the cell, you can't get a timeslot and therefore can't make a call. GPRS/EDGE packet data uses dynamically allocated timeslots that are assigned for brief periods - just long enough to send/receive a few packets at a time. There's also the issue of control channel capacity - control channels are used for call establishment sequences, SMS, cell broadcast packet timeslot negotiation, and authentication/keep-alive traffic. Control channels are a limited resource that can be over-utilised by having too many users, too many data connections, or too much SMS traffic.

      Sounds simpler, right? Well, it isn't quite so easy. Remember the speed of radio wave propagation isn't infinite? If everyone was the same distance from the base, getting the timeslots to line up would be easy, but as they aren't the more distant a mobile is from the base, the earlier they have to transmit, so that the signal arrives at the right moment as seen by the base ("timing advance"). If this isn't managed correctly, received signals will overlap and corrupt each other, particularly if the signal from one (presumably closer) mobile is far stronger than the signal from another (presumably more distant) mobile. There's also a limit to how much timing advance a base can manage, meaning that under ideal signal propagation conditions there will be a distance lockout point where you will be cut off abruptly (IIRC it's typically configured for 15km, 35km or 50km for GSM, depending on user density and cell layout - it loses some capacity when configured for longer lockout distances).

      Anyway, it's not that either system is designed to drop your call, they just have different trade-offs.

    15. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "GSM being TDMA has a strict limit of 20 per tower"

      Citation please, or stuff it in your memory slot. I see T-Mobile towers around Phoenix that are being hit by way more than 20 user simultanously.

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    16. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trak phone doesn't have their own network...it's likely that you're on verizon some of the time when you're using that thing.

    17. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      Plus many towers have as many as three sectors, so that triples capacity right there.

      Capacity is based on how small an area the sector is covering and how much spectrum the carrier has allocated to the cellsite.

    18. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your major correction to the GP is that calls are not *intentionally* dropped, they just drop when there are too many users. Sound the same to moi. I'll stay clear of Verizon from now on. Thanks!

    19. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Staying away from Verizon won't help unless you actually manage to stay on 2G GSM the whole time. If you're on 3G, you're on some form of CDMA and will have to deal with these issues.

    20. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most widespread 3G system is W-CDMA (called UMTS when it's run at 2.1GHz), so all the world is using a form of CDMA.

      Nope. W-CDMA is not based on CDMA.

      CDMA actually has two meanings:

      It's a frequency modulation (code division multiple access).
      It's also a wireless standard that uses that modulation (also known as cdmaOne, formally: IS-95).

      W-CDMA uses the frequency modulation but it is not based on the mobile phone standard. On the contrary, W-CDMA shares many architectural features with GSM and is specified by the same group (3GPP).

    21. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I meant per channel, whereas CDMA doesn't have a definable limit.

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    22. Re:Verizon is #1 in dropped calls by kobaz · · Score: 1

      Not only the simultaneous connections (due to orthogonal signaling) but also due to its longer range and higher capacity in general. GSM being TDMA has a strict limit of 20 per tower and bandwidth usage is far less efficient.

      Haha, what are you smoking? TDMA is a method of communication, just like HTTP is a communication method (albeit a higher layer), and has nothing to do with speed.

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tdma

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  6. They all suck by Flounder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just accept that and find the plan that best suits your needs.

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    1. Re:They all suck by c0lo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just accept that and find the plan that best suits your needs.

      To put it in other way: if "wicked internet/mobile speeds" are essential for your life style, consider postponing your return to US...

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    2. Re:They all suck by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      from the discussions so far, coming back to the US is going to be one helluva let down in the technology department. (sigh)

    3. Re:They all suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or consider getting a *lot* of access points for a mesh and using VOIP for calls. Your neighbors would love you.

    4. Re:They all suck by SkimTony · · Score: 1

      That is correct. My estimate is about 2-3 years behind SoKo and Japan, in terms of mobile phone technology.

  7. T-Mobile for service. by Nethead · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best customer service you'll get is T-Mobile. Not the best coverage if you are outside of a metro area but they have fantastic UMA (WiFi calling) support. Their plans are as good or better than others.

    Just getting reasonable people on the phone for support is what has kept me happy for 7 years.

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    1. Re:T-Mobile for service. by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used T-Mobile for years, and was very happy with them in major metropolitan areas. I had to switch to Verizon when I moved to a rural area, and I hate them. We now have T-Mobile coverage here, so once the next batch of Nexus phones are announced, I'm switching back.

      IME you can't beat the customer service from T-Mobile. Verizon's has been less than great and their prices are through the roof.

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    2. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Macrat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Very true.

      Want to turn over your wallet for high monthly charges? Chose AT&T, Verizon and Sprint.

      T-Mobile is the only real choice.

    3. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best customer service you'll get is T-Mobile. Not the best coverage if you are outside of a metro area but they have fantastic UMA (WiFi calling) support. Their plans are as good or better than others.

      Just getting reasonable people on the phone for support is what has kept me happy for 7 years.

      Agreed

    4. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, i have 5GB/pm,100 minutes (overage at 10c/min), and unlimited text for $30/pm. it's an internet only deal, but its there. Works great in NYC, sucks in PA (no roaming ), but affordable (especially compared to Verizon/AT&T at $80-$130/pm).

    5. Re:T-Mobile for service. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Agreed, i have 5GB/pm,100 minutes (overage at 10c/min), and unlimited text for $30/pm. it's an internet only deal, but its there.

      I just signed up for this same plan. It's a great deal - 100 minutes of talk a month is 5x what I normally use anyway. AND the 5GB cap just means you get dropped to EDGE speeds for the rest of the month if you use more than 5GB of data.

      Really, the main drawback with T-Mobile is coverage. On the west coast they do pretty well; but from what I've heard they are seriously behind the further east you go.

      The other problem with T-Mobile is their 3G service is on an unusual frequency - but they're reallocating spectrum to address this (thanks, AT&T!). However if you want to keep using an existing phone, you should know that for now you're going to be at EDGE speeds much of the time. I know that's a deal-breaker for some people, but for me it usually doesn't matter much.

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    6. Re:T-Mobile for service. by aetherspoon · · Score: 1

      The current Galaxy Nexus and several other phones handle both AT&T and T-Mobile's 3G frequencies. You are right, however, in that a lot of phones won't.

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    7. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T-Mobile is notorious for not returning initial deposits when your contract is up.
      I called every other week a total of 4 times and each time they assured me that my refund check was either in route or would be resent. I had to complain to the BBB to finally get my refund and it took me 4 months total. I spent almost two hours on hold and being transfered trying to get my phone unlocked.

    8. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, no kIdding. If you're going to buy all three it's going to get pricey.

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    9. Re:T-Mobile for service. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I just signed up for this same plan. It's a great deal - 100 minutes of talk a month is 5x what I normally use anyway. AND the 5GB cap just means you get dropped to EDGE speeds for the rest of the month if you use more than 5GB of data.

      Recently T-Mobile re-added unlimited Data plans. They've finally gotten my attention, I'm tempted to switch.

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    10. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Nethead · · Score: 1

      WTF are you talking about? I never paid and 'initial deposit.'

      I've even had them drop a phone from my plan eight months early with no charge just because I have been a customer for so long. Every time I've need to change my plan due to life/work changes, they have been most helpful in finding the cheapest way to do it. You won't get better customer service from any other provider.

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    11. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I agree. Of all the evils, T-Mobile is the least. If you aren't planning on going out into deep rural areas T-Mobile should always treat you right. That said, why the hell would you want to leave South Korea for the crap communication we have State side?

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    12. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Fjandr · · Score: 2

      I've got to second this. When they dropped their no-contract plans (which were $10-$20 cheaper a month than the same contract plan) and I needed to switch, they gave me a $100 credit because I was annoyed at having to renew a contract despite never getting a subsidized phone from them. They'll also unlock any phone they sell after 90 days, free of charge.

    13. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happily, they didn't get bought by AT&T. It would have ruined a good provider.

    14. Re:T-Mobile for service. by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or MetroPCS. I've been MetroPCS customers for years since I got tired of Verizon's (over)pricing games. Coverage is actually pretty good (in Nevada/California) the price is excellent, unlimited EVERYTHING for $50.

      No, I have no affiliation other than being a happy customer. Customer service is almost non-existent, but we've never felt the need for it because it just works and the bill is (ahem) flat rate.

      Also, contracts are month to month and if you are too late, your phone just stops working. When you pay the bill your phone starts working within an hour or so. There is no collections department.

      IMHO, this is cellular done right.

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    15. Re:T-Mobile for service. by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Deposit? I've been a TMO customer for 7 years, never a deposit. They've unlocked phones for me no hassle, actually listened to me rant about dropped calls in specific locations, and are now working their way through finding the rogue tower in North Phoenix that is EDGE, just EDGE, no matter how hard I try to get HSDPA+ out of it. They do try.

      My unlimited voice/txt/2GB data plan is $85/mo taxes and all. Last month I got to 1.87GB in a month by resetting my phone twice and reloading apps etc over 3G. UMTS or HSDPA+ run from 4-12MB down and 1-8MB up, depending on time of day and location. Coverage is less than most other carriers, so check carefully, and if possible have a subscriber over to your crib for dinner and drinks. And ask around your work how TMO users are doing.

      My wife's AT&T iPhone plan is 700 mins/unl text/3GB data for about $109 taxes and all. Just enough difference that it;s annoying. She gets emails when data gets to 75% or so telling her to spend more money. The Apple tax is noticeable.

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    16. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I reject your view of T-Mobile and substitute my own.
        Tmobile inflated my bill by 242% and thought I wouldn’t notice

      http://news.nucleusdevelopment.com/2012/09/11/t-mobile-inflated-my-bill-by-242-and-thought-i-wouldnt-notice/

    17. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, contracts are month to month and if you are too late, your phone just stops working. When you pay the bill your phone starts working within an hour or so. There is no collections department.

      IMHO, this is cellular done right.

      Note that T-mobile offers a similar structure. I'm on such a plan from 2006 or so, with the bare minimum voice minutes, no SMS (i.e. none included -- 0.15c each, IIRC) for $30/month, but all-you-can-eat data was $9.99 at the time. And I've still got more-or-less unlimited data (sometimes they throttle it after 7GB, sometimes not -- ran over 30GB one month), for forty-something a month.

      New customers can't get that $10 data anymore, of course, but they seem to respect the deal even though it's only month-to-month and they could jack rates up at any time, to match new subscribers. So whatever deal you do get, through T-mobile or metroPCS (which they're buying) should be good as long as you keep it...

    18. Re:T-Mobile for service. by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      because Koreans are idiots. And family is in the US. If all I cared about was phone and internet, I'd never leave. This place rocks technically, but socially it's a backwards 3rd world country

    19. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far T-Mobile has been awesome for me. I've got an Android, and I only use the cell phone for emergencies (e.g. wife needs me to pick up the kids, car breaks down), and I'm pretty much always near wifi. I just pay $10 every 90 days, and it's awesome for $3.33/month. If I go on a vacation or something and want data and tethering, I can turn data on and pay $2/day, then turn it off when I get back. I haven't heard of any other US carriers that will let you do that with a smart-phone.

    20. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sprint is the cheapest if you were smart enough to get a Sprint SERO plan while you could.

    21. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People with poor credit need to pay a deposit, this is true for anything. I don't know what this guy did to his credit score, but we probably deserved it.

    22. Re:T-Mobile for service. by n7ytd · · Score: 1

      IME you can't beat the customer service from T-Mobile. Verizon's has been less than great and their prices are through the roof.

      That was my experience, too, until I went pre-paid with T-Mobile. The price difference between pre- and post-paid plans with them boggles the mind. Our family had two phones on a post-paid family plan, SMS and voice only. We switched to two separate prepaid plans for the phones, and everything went downhill customer service-wise.
      I assume that dialing customer service from a pre-paid phone goes to a different call center than the post-paid accounts.

    23. Re:T-Mobile for service. by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      My basic rule of thumb: When choosing between major providers that seem to offer roughly equal services at roughly equal prices, go with the third- or fourth-largest competitor.

      The reason is that the smaller competitor is in a position where it really has to entice customers to switch to them and stay there. The larger competitor, on the other hand, is mostly in the position of milking its advantage for as long as it can. In the case of really small players, you can also take advantage of the fact that you're more important to their business than their business is to you.

      If the formerly smaller player becomes the dominant player at the expense of one of its competitors, that's your sign to switch again.

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    24. Re:T-Mobile for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You DO realize MetroPCS was just approved for a merger with TMo, right?

  8. Stay in Korea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you want to deal with the screwed up telecom issues on top of the politics here?

    1. Re:Stay in Korea... by martypantsROK · · Score: 0

      because socially it's worse here - they're dorks and have no common sense. And family is in the USA

  9. True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typically the most expensive, too, though, from what I've noticed.

    Considering the choices, I'd still have to say Verizon is the best, though.

    1. Re:True by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      I never understand this. Because whenever I compare plans between Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint. They're usually within $10.

      Right now I'm looking at $160 for Verizon, or $150 for AT&T/Sprint.

    2. Re:True by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      I would have to agree. It also doesn't hurt that you can tether on their network for free, and there's really not a whole hell of a lot they can do about it.

    3. Re:True by Albanach · · Score: 1

      Seriously, you spend $150+ a month for a cell phone or is that for your entire family?

    4. Re:True by XaXXon · · Score: 1

      The killer feature for me, though.. is talk and data simultaneous on an iphone.. only at&t can do that so far.

      Not sure about tmobile, but no lte makes that kinda stinky.

    5. Re:True by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      Seriously, you spend $150+ a month for a cell phone or is that for your entire family?

      $168/month with Verizon. Two smartphones, grandfathered into the $30/month unlimited data (for a little bit longer at least). Dumb phone for my elderly mother. So between data and family share, that's $80/month. Add in the unlimited text and other crap, that's $100/moneth. So $68/month for the base plan plus taxes and bullshit fees and junk. Yeah it sucks, but who's better? Is it worth $5/month or so for the hassle?

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    6. Re:True by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But Sprint has unlimited data.

      It's a seriously stupid Ask Slashdot. Unless you state where you will be living, how often you will travel and where, how you use your service, and what your priorities are, no one can answer. Different carriers would be better for two different families living in the same city depending on a whole bunch of factors.

    7. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends. It's like saying which city has the best water, when they're all on the same river. Some of those cities may be on river water, and some residents may have their own wells. Water is water, but some cities over-chlorinate the water to the point that water from the faucet smells like going to the public pool.

      That said, Wireless providers offer "best" service where they are least congested, so not in downtown cores, mostly the areas right outside the cores, but not into the rural routes. Basically the area 3 miles from the core will have the best service. Doesn't matter what the carrier is. Some cities may have LTE offered by Verizon, some may have it offered by AT&T, all the other carriers are stuck on 3G networks.

      And Verizon, from a technological POV, worse because they have to support their pre-LTE CDMA network. If you want a phone that you can use anywhere, don't buy a Verizon phone. If you want a phone that you're only going to use in the US, by all means pick up Verizon.

      AT&T (or any GSM carrier, like T-mobile)'s phones will work anywhere worldwide, but not on LTE. US LTE is different for both Verizon and AT&T, and is alos different from every other carrier. Fragmentation.

      If you only use an iPhone, by all means get the Verizon model, for some reason this model is more world-wide LTE useable than the AT&T model. It seems odd as to why this is.

    8. Re:True by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

      But who talks on their phone any more? Really? You do?

      I still do but not nearly enough to get in the way of whatever else I want to do with my Sprint phone. It's a bullet point issue ("our product is better, neener neener!") that's virtually a non-issue in actual use.

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    9. Re:True by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      The killer feature for me, though.. is talk and data simultaneous on an iphone.. only at&t can do that so far.

      Every carrier should be able to do this with the iPhone 5, since it is 4G.

    10. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prepare to be disappointed in the US cellphone experience vs your current location. Pricing is relatively killer. If you are moving to an area with Sprint coverage, then that's got unlimited data, something you may be used to. Some areas have 4G LTE at present, some don't.

    11. Re:True by martypantsROK · · Score: 2

      because I don't know that yet - wherever the jobs are is where I'll be. Most likely Silicon Valley, but I'm not limiting my choices. Got a job for a mobile app developer? I'm there.

    12. Re:True by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I pay $210/month, but I got 6 lines, unlimited minutes, nation wide roaming, best coverage in the mid-west(I get 4-5 bars where many AT&T/Verizon get no service), unlimited text/pic/video messaging, insurance on every line, and wife has a 2.5GB data plan with $10/1GB overage, and all non-smart phones cost $0.01 every 18 months.

    13. Re:True by confusedwiseman · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true. If you have 4G (the original) coverage with Sprint, you can connect to that for data and talk on the phone at the same time. I'm not certain what functionality exists in this regard with the new LTE they are rolling out.

    14. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can answer it partly though. We can truly say, "prepare to be disappointed." In the US the mobile phone carriers all suck. They either have decent plans but not a lot of coverage or they are draconian control freaks (verizon), or they have something else wrong with them. For example, with Verizon, the Galaxy Nexus android phone just started to get Jelly Bean this week. The same supposed Nexus phone on ATT got it a couple of months ago. They are all bad - you just have to either pick your poison or not have a mobile phone.

    15. Re:True by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Compare T-Mobile value plans and buy your phone directly instead of through the provider. Saves a chunk of change ($20/mo * 24mo per phone, really). Unlimited data on T-Mobile is $30/mo, but profile your actual data use. For my single line use, I get $10/mo 2GB plan (overflows into unlimited free low-speed Edge data) and don't use nearly that; I also noticed the Facebook app eats bandwidth (it eats battery faster than the charger supplies it, too), so I use the Facebook Messenger app but not the full Facebook app.

      It may be worth the switch, but it also may be doable to switch away from unlimited data and into something cheaper. Currently I've used 103MB this cycle (since Sep 21), 64.26MB of that is Mint.com (which is heavy), 15MB is Web browser (Facebook, including uploads), 13MB is Google Play Store (app updates), 5.56MB is Gmail, 1.12MB is news and weather.

      Notably, when I am home I'm connected to Wifi, so I don't use data between 9pm and 7am. In total roughly 50% of my bandwidth is through Wifi, more if you bulk-load Kindle or bring down from Amazon Cloud Player to the device itself when around Wifi (apparently Amazon MP3 now stores in Cloud Player but lets you copy from Cloud Player to the current device without DRM, instead of being an either-or solution). I'll bring an album or a single book down on 4G LTE, but if I'm syncing my library or several albums of music I'll do that at home ahead of time.

    16. Re:True by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? I couldn't do that on my Motorola Cliq with Android 1.4, but I found out recently that my Galaxy Nexus will continue downloading from Wifi or 4G LTE while taking a cell phone call.

    17. Re:True by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      I hope the questions you ask at job interviews are better thought out. Location was just one of many important factors that you left out.

    18. Re:True by Michael+Meissner · · Score: 1

      I would have to agree. It also doesn't hurt that you can tether on their network for free, and there's really not a whole hell of a lot they can do about it.

      If you are talking about t-mobile, that used to be true with my LG Optimus T phone (and various Nokia non-smartphones before that), but I just upgraded to a Galaxy S II, and they now hit me with a $5/month tethering fee.

    19. Re:True by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Or to put your paragraph into simpler words: All of the carriers suck badly.

      That is what happens when there is no serious competition. They all cut as many corners as possible to inflate their stock price by a few pennies. No matter which carrier you choose, you will have high prices, pathetic customer service (even if the actual rep is nice), and crappy coverage/dropped calls (except in certain areas with certain carriers).

      All shit.

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    20. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have version and the droid commando and I have looked stuff up on the internet and been on the phone at the same time. I live near ABQ and have traveled back and forth to Florida and version has the best coverage that I can find. The biggest problem I have found for dead spots is the phone not the provider on version.

    21. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Simultaneous voice (CDMA) and data (LTE) on Verizon/Sprint requires separate antennas. And Apple, in their idiotic fetish to make things as thin as possible, at the expense of useful features, declined to include that extra antenna. The Android phones that support simultaneous voice and data on Verizon & Sprint all have the necessary extra antenna to do it.

      http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/13/verizon-iphone-5-will-not-offer-simultaneous-voice-and-data/

    22. Re:True by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      I don't use much data and that is definitely something I am thinking about when I get a new plan. Part of the reason is if I do anything data-heavy with my phone, I do it at home over wifi. My wife is worse since she is always streaming stuff at work. I'm about to make her get her own account and deal with it, too much drama about "needing" to stream stuff 8 hours a day at work.

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    23. Re:True by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's two smartphones + data plan and a 24% work discount.

      Scary ain't it?

    24. Re:True by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      2720mb (so I'm using about 2G-5GB a month, plus my wife's usage)

    25. Re:True by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yeah starts not being worth it once you get to the $20 for 10GB plans. Still, $30 unlimited on T-Mobile vs $30 2GB + pay money for overrun on Verizon (and on T-Mobile it's $10 2GB + slow shit after 2GB at no extra charge, WTF Verizon)

    26. Re:True by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      If she has an android phone, tell her to get Amazon MP3 and transfer all her shit from Amazon Cloud Player to the SD card or internal storage. Then she doesn't need to stream. Also why can't she stream from her work PC?

    27. Re:True by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      She streams talk radio and other live broadcasts where downloading MP3s isn't an option. Since she MUST listen to it live or she will shrivel up and die. Also, she is a federal government employee so her computer is locked down worse than a teenage girl when Pedobear is in the neighborhood.

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    28. Re:True by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Seriously, if she has signal, she can stream talk radio from ... I don't know, RADIO?

      Your wife sounds like a psycho. Anyone addicted to talk radio inevitably becomes a liberal asstard freak or a neocon asstard freak. Addiction to politics causes, besides extreme assholism, high levels of stress leading to sickness and heart problems. As the damage increases from prolonged exposure, symptoms such as all-your-friends-are-morons and get-new-friend-that-agree-with-you appear, eventually leading to advanced cases of divorce-your-husband-because-he-licks-Obama's-asshole-but-he's-still-not-as-liberal-as-you-are and a severe case of all-your-friends-are-assholes.

      You should stage an intervention before she divorces you and indoctrinates your kids. Or worse, runs your cell phone bill up.

    29. Re:True by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      Seriously, if she has signal, she can stream talk radio from ... I don't know, RADIO?

      Apparently not in the cement and steel canyon of downtown. Trust me, I've had to hear all about it and nod along, wishing some football or something would come along to rescue me.

      Your wife sounds like a psycho. Anyone addicted to talk radio inevitably becomes a liberal asstard freak or a neocon asstard freak.

      Not really a psycho, she doesn't listen to the political talk radio. She's addicted to Rover's Morning Glory. I find it boring and stupid, but she likes it. She finds video games boring and stupid, but I like it. So we each have our thing. Meh.

      Or worse, runs your cell phone bill up.

      This is why, if you read up a few posts, I mentioned that she might need her own cell phone plan while I'll keep my elderly mother on mine and just have one data plan for me and my mom's dumb phone with voice only.

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  10. It depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For most cities, Verizon is the fastest network. It also costs a bit more than average. They are discontinuing unlimited data, so you'll have to plan for that or get a family plan.

    Sprint's prepaid (Virgin/Boost/Other re-sellers) is the cheapest for unlimited data and has pretty cheap voice. ~40 unlimited everything. But the network is pretty slow. Great if you buy your own android phone and plan to use it as a GPS in the car.

    T-Mobile is for those who need good 3G or OK 4G speeds, but don't want to spend too much money. They go for about $50 all in (prepaid). Coverage is not as wide as the other 3 brands, but depending on the city is often the best combination of speed/price. Great if you want to watch TV episodes on your phone and you don't travel coast to coast often.

    AT&T is like Verizon, but just slower. I only use it because my company gives it to me for free on my office phone.

    But remember that none of this might work as you expect if you go post-paid. A $40 plan with Sprint will turn into a $90 plan with an iPhone on contract or a $60 pre-paid with AT&T will become a $110 plan on AT&T.

  11. Depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where will you primarily be using your cell phone? City? Rural? Northeast? West? etc.
    Do you plan on using a lot of minutes? Texts? Data?

    The best provider, coverage wise across the US is probably Verizon. Verizon also has the largest LTE network currently, but they also happen to be one of the most expensive.
    If you live in a city, don't use a lot of minutes, and rarely travel to very rural areas, I'd probably suggest T-Mobile's $30/mo prepaid plan (100mins, Unlimited texts & data 3g/"4g"). Of course, you have to buy your phone. And if you buy an unlocked phone with radios that work with AT&T as well, you leave yourself the option of easily switching carriers.

  12. There isn't one. by IVI4573R · · Score: 2

    They are all terrible in one way or another. In the end it's going to be who sucks the least.

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    1. Re:There isn't one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are all terrible in one way or another. In the end it's going to be who sucks the least.

      From cell plans to politicians, seems to be the mantra these days.

    2. Re:There isn't one. by PurplePhase · · Score: 1

      No, in the end it is going to be you paying through the nose for shit service/coverage/device(s), changing as often as you can (or as you pay for to get out of previous contracts) with no ability to actually choose a carrier that meets your needs and can deliver the phone you want with the reliability you deserve.

      1) Someone should make a phone THAT IS A PHONE and not have a fucking OS that can't timeslice quarters of a football game. It would be nice if it could handle an incoming and outgoing text at the same time without crashing, too. Oh, AND MAYBE A PHONECALL, Y'THINK?!

      1b) And if the phone has a browser: THAT IT ACTUALLY BROWSES with mobile pages that come up in 5 seconds OR LESS!

      2) Someone should make a carrier has plans WHICH COST HOW MUCH VALUE THEY PROVIDE rather than what all current US Carriers pull with disallowing or charging for just about everything under the sun.

      3) Some government body should DISALLOW CONTRACTS by these companies, or at least have them cancellable without fees if the customer lodges a complaint against the company. Yes, I said it.

      Just... just fix the fucking system, PLEASE!

    3. Re:There isn't one. by IVI4573R · · Score: 1

      Well with politicians there is always at least the option of a write in, so you can really pick who is best for the job. He/She may not win, but that's not the point.

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  13. SimpleMobile!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why hasn't anyone mentioned these guys?

  14. Phonescoop by Gresyth · · Score: 0

    http://www.phonescoop.com/ Great site for comparing phones and carriers. We used it a lot when I worked customer service for various carriers.

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  15. To Quote Princess Bride: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Get used to disappointment."

    1. Re:To Quote Princess Bride: by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      No more rhymes! I MEAN it!

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    2. Re:To Quote Princess Bride: by niftydude · · Score: 1

      Anybody want a peanut?

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  16. What do you mean by "best"? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you do not specify your requirements, you cannot expect to get answers with appropriate solutions.

    1. Re:What do you mean by "best"? by Idbar · · Score: 1

      I think AT&T is the best. I'm yet to see another carrier that misses more calls and drops more calls. I think the excel at that. They also have an accurate system to send you text messages reminding you, you're not on the most expensive data plan, as you consume your economy one, with the bloated devices they sell.

  17. Least Worst Cell Phone Carrier In the US? by pitchpipe · · Score: 1, Funny

    After nearly seven years of living anal free, I'm planning to be anally raped in early 2013. Last time I was anally raped, giant spiked dildoes weren't out yet. Small penises were common, and good lube was an ad campaign. I'm used to South Korea's very small penises, both with lube and without, and I'm wondering what the Slashdot community believes to be the least worst anal raper in the U.S. Which is quickest? Which offers the least pain and lots of lube? Nationwide reaming and coverage (condom)? Sizes? Service?

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    1. Re:Least Worst Cell Phone Carrier In the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I had a bunch of accounts with mod points so I could give this post +funny, informative, insightful, and underrated. Alas, all I have to offer is this tribute from an A/C

    2. Re:Least Worst Cell Phone Carrier In the US? by Grayhand · · Score: 0

      After nearly seven years of living anal free, I'm planning to be anally raped in early 2013. Last time I was anally raped, giant spiked dildoes weren't out yet. Small penises were common, and good lube was an ad campaign. I'm used to South Korea's very small penises, both with lube and without, and I'm wondering what the Slashdot community believes to be the least worst anal raper in the U.S. Which is quickest? Which offers the least pain and lots of lube? Nationwide reaming and coverage (condom)? Sizes? Service?

      Sprint promises 12" and struggles to prove 3". AT&T offers sandpaper condoms for quality and loss of erections. Verizon's 6" to 8" services provide the best all round and come standard with lube. Cricket won't ask you for commitments and offers passable service for under 5" if you can deal with that. T-Mobile talks big and they are willing to try harder than most but expect to be disappointed. Other than Verizon don't expect much in the size AKA coverage department. Sprint like most of the competition can provide a strong 8" to 12" if you are standing under a tower but outside of town expect flaccid city and no lube for miles.

    3. Re:Least Worst Cell Phone Carrier In the US? by SilverJets · · Score: 0, Troll

      Tobias Funke, M.D.
      Analrapist

    4. Re:Least Worst Cell Phone Carrier In the US? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

      After nearly seven years of living anal free

      Seven years without an anus ... you must be seriously backed up.

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    5. Re:Least Worst Cell Phone Carrier In the US? by dwye · · Score: 1

      After nearly seven years of living anal free

      Seven years without an anus ... you must be seriously backed up.

      Colostemy bags. Don't leave home without them.

  18. They all suck.... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    ...the harder part is finding out which one sucks just a little less at any particular point.

  19. NOT AT&T by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

    I'm that one guy who manages to get pretty good reception through AT&T where I live. I regularly make 2+ hour phone calls that do not get dropped. I don't have missed calls or SMS's that never arrive. On that note, I'm actually fairly happy with them. But in terms of service... UGH.

    Twice this year I've had issues that required that I have a chat with them. Both were issues that could easily have been resolved via e-mail, and both ended up with a lengthy email exchange AND time on the phone. I don't meant that these were complex issues that required escalation or anything like that, I mean I had to send emails to the tune of: "Could you please READ WHAT I WROTE?" They have dumbasses answering questions and, frankly, their policies aren't designed to avoid issues. Really, they want you to go into overages. I suspect their service is so bad so that the next time you call to challenge an overage, you sit there and have a conversation with yourself about whether or not it's even worth the time. Of course, I really cannot prove that.

    I've had a terrible time with AT&T this year, I just wanted to give you a heads up on that. (... and I just wanted to rant because I'm still pissed off at them.)

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    1. Re:NOT AT&T by spauldo · · Score: 1

      I had two numbers on AT&T - one phone and one data. For data I had a cell modem card that was 3G capable.

      One day, my data card screws up on me and won't connect anymore. I get weird light patterns on it. Oh well, time for a new data card, I think. So, I stop at an AT&T store to look into upgrades.

      Turns out, I still had the "unlimited" plan, and had racked up 20GB of data. I knew there was no way I used that much data - for one, my laptop is usually hibernating in the sleeper of my truck. I figured maybe the card went jittery like NICs sometimes do. So AT&T cut me off. OK, fine, upgrade the plan to a 5GB plan, sign a new contract, and give me a new device.

      Except... for daring to "download" too much, they cut me off for a month. Nothing could change that. Even getting a new plan wouldn't remove the block. They were punishing me.

      I don't pay people to punish me (I'm not into that), so now I pay $20 less per month for 5GB plan with Verizon. Other than the stupid MiFi device being a piece of crap, I've had better coverage and better signal almost everywhere I go. Plus, when I talk to Verizon tech support, people actually seem to be helpful, which was certainly not the case with AT&T. I'm thinking of switching my phone over when the contract on it is up.

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  20. impossible question. No ideal carrier exists here. by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Informative

    Verizon has ubiquitous buildouts of outdated wireless infrastructure. They can service a text message or a voice call almost anywhere in the US. They also charge 70+ a month for basic service, and have technological limitations on surfing while talking. I hear their customer service is legendary in the "eldritch horror" category.

    ATT has the best GSM tech buildout in the US, but is SERIOUSLY oversold. They engage in abusive market tactics, pathologically insist the problem isn't from overselling, and have customer service horrible enough that even verizon could appear desirable. Theoretically can surf and talk simultaneously, but charge extra for the priviledge of tethering, drop calls horribly, and have spotty data coverage.

    Sprint-Nextel has a fairly stable network of comparatively subpar network technologies servicing cheaper prepaid type devices and feature phones. Cheap and ubiquitous, but data is a farce, IIRC.

    T-Mo has very limited buildout, is not loved by the parent company (deutch telecom), and struggles in the telecom marketplace. Despite this, has fairly nice customer service, offers incentives for patronage of their users, and are trying to improve coverage maps and network tech. Currently involved in a fairly ambitious LTE 4G buildout. Reasonably inexpensive; no contract unlimited talk, text, and 2gb 4G data for 60/mo. (Not the fastest though. 5300kbps down, 1200kbps up last I measured in my area.) Spotty coverage. Claim to fame is wifi calling and free teathering.

    To me, the ideal carrier could only be born from strongly enforced neutrality laws allowing cheap sublicense of spectrum and infrastructure, with a dual technology, quad-band handset, able to leverage verizon's CDMA network as a fallback, and full GSM operation on both ATT and T-Mo spectrum. Such a company could never exist in the USA under prevailing conditions, which do not foster true innovative service offerings, but rather collusion based pricing hegemonies.

    That's about the schtick of it as far as I know.

    I actually like T-Mo, despite the weak coverage areas. I recently got a nice promotional offer from them recently for being a long term customer. (They offered the next tier service at my current tier price for 12 months, which greatly increased my dl cap at 4G speed.)

    As far as I know, ATT and verizon bend over backwards to make you lose old plans they think aren't profitable, and force you to spend money. (I can revert to my previous level of service very painlessly with T-Mo after the promotion ends.)

    If you are spoiled by south korean telecom, you be mortified by the horrible state of american telecom.

  21. Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon is the best service money can but. That said, it's also the most expensive

  22. No Love by deerpig · · Score: 1

    The mobile phone system is terrible in the States. It's expensive, you get charged for receiving and sending calls, 3G is bad, and 4G is spotty at best.
    I get better mobile service out here were I live in Vientiene, Laos and Phnom Penh Cambodia! My parents in boston complain about how expensive it is to call me, but it's as cheap for me to call the States as it is to make a local call.

    That said, when I do have to go to the States I use a T-mobile prepaid and maintain a Google-Voice number in between.

    I suggest you rethink moving back to the States.

    Mobile phones will be the least of your disappointments.

  23. Ting for low end w/ data usage by FFOMelchior · · Score: 1

    Can't vouch for quality since I haven't tried many providers... but it is super affordable. Their usage is tiered, but they'll automatically move you without any penalty to whatever tier you use for that month, even if you use a lower tier. Yes, that means if you're on a 500 MB plan and you use less than than 100 MB, they'll charge you for the 100 MB for that month. How crazy is that?

    My cell phone bill went down $15 switching from a voice + text w/ AT&T to voice + text + data with Ting. Only downside is that the phones aren't subsided, so I paid $200 for mine. But obviously the prices are still going to work in my favor in the long run, especially since I'm not a phone hopper and can easily see myself keeping this one for 3-4 years.

    https://ting.com/

    1. Re:Ting for low end w/ data usage by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Happy ting user, they have announced byod so most print phones will be able to be moved over soon. They also charge about cost for the phones and have some good deals like a 70 buck decent smartphone. It's sprints network and there is no data roaming for the downside.

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  24. competition by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

    Competition is very tight between the main companies (sprint, t-mobile, AT&T) which means prices are comparable. It comes down to which has the features you want, with the most reliability and lowest price.

    If you don't know, the United States does cell phone service differently than many other places. Here, you generally have your phone subsidized by buying a contract and that phone is then locked to the carrier, whereas (if I understand it correctly) in Europe you go buy a phone at full price then choose whatever carrier you want and pay monthly.

  25. Check the maps by Zibodiz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check the coverage maps, then get an MVNO that operates off the towers of whoever has the best coverage. Straight Talk offers phones on all 4 major networks, for significantly lower monthly costs and no contracts. Boost and Cricket have pretty good prices too. In my area, the only national carrier with decent coverage is Verizon, but I'm sure that changes for the Eastern Seaboard.

    1. Re:Check the maps by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      Sounds like good advice. How do I do that? I've never owned a cellphone before. SimplyMobile seems cheap, but how do I know if I get coverage?

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    2. Re:Check the maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like good advice. How do I do that? I've never owned a cellphone before. SimplyMobile seems cheap, but how do I know if I get coverage?

      Simple mobile is an MVNO on T-mobile, they are currently owned by tracphone, which also owns StraightTalk and Net10.
      Simply mobile is the same coverage as Tmobile monthy,. the non-contract service from t-mobile. You won't roam on ATT like you could with a Tmobile contract,

    3. Re:Check the maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dropped the contracts, bought a Galaxy Nexus straight from Google, and went pre-paid and never looked back. I am paying $45 a month for Straight Talk right now for unlimited talk/text and "unlimited" data (2 gb at full speed, then its throttled after that). My coverage and data speed is the same as I would have on AT&T. I am not locked into any specific MVNO provider. I can switch to T-Mobile's network if I like. If I travel internationally, I can buy a local SIM and pop it in. I can switch providers at any time without fear of a cancellation fee. Freedom.

    4. Re:Check the maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded...

      We use Straight talk, and at least in my market:
      - if you buy a phone from them and just want a "dumbphone" (feature phone, whatever) you'll be on Verizon. 1000/min, 1000txt/pic messages for a month, $30. If you want unlimited its $45.
      - if you buy a *smartphone* from them, it'll be sprint...unlimited voice/data only, but its still $45 a month.
      - if you bring in an unlocked GSM SIM card phone, it'll be AT&T (still $45 a month unlimited)...I've heard you can also choose T-mobile as your straighttalk network, but I didn't have the option of getting a T-mob sim card (not sure if its possible)...perhaps the phone is actually using both T-mob and AT&T networks since they are both GSM.

      Anyway, I use the dumb phone $30 plan. My wife bought an unlocked iphone 4s ($550) but saves over $40 a month over the *cheapest* AT&T/Verizon/Sprint plan, so she'll basically pay for the phone within a year, and won't be locked into any contract.

      Full disclosure, straighttalk customer service is low quality. I think they're call center may be from Mexico...not sure, definitely some difficulty understanding me. However, I've been able to make it work with minimal time with them, so it works. Also, if you want to use an unlocked iphone with straighttalk, google "straight talk iphone mms" (there are some issues if you need to send pic messages natively through the network, data generally can be found to work, apple will walk you through it)

  26. TMobile is only good in a city by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I live 10 miles outside a city of 150,000 people and I drop calls on TMobile on a regular basis. Their map claims I should get two bars at home, some times I get none at all. In fact, their map of this area is one huge lie as I can tell you exactly where there are huge dead zones that they claim to be 1-2 bar zones, and I have confirmed this with several different phones on their network.

    The situation has been this way for 7+ years now. Now as an added bonus sometimes when I am at home, if the call isn't dropped I get a delayed echo of my own voice in my ear. Not easy to deal with, when I am expecting to hear the other person and I'm hearing myself as well. I've also had several times where I can hear the other person, but suddenly and without warning they can no longer hear me.

    Numerous times I have reported this to TMobile and never have they fixed it.

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  27. My Favorite So Far Is T-Mobile by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    Where I live, having AT&T is actually worse than having no service at all. It sets an unreasonable expectation that someone might actually be able to talk to you in a phone call. I'm sure that this is specific to where I live (Which is like... some sort of telecommunications black hole) and that they probably suck less elsewhere.

    Sprint actually has an OK signal here, but I could never get their fucking self-service web page to let me log in. There are a couple of places in town where you get no signal with Sprint. This includes pretty much everywhere I work. Also no 4g coverage in my town from Sprint.

    Never tried Verizon, I've heard too many things about them from their customers and ex-customers.

    T-Mobile does have some gaps in coverage, but they actually do have 4G here. And I can actually use their web site for paying bills, managing auto-pay and stuff like that. AND, I can get coverage with them with their Android smart phone anywhere that I can log into wifi, and that includes pretty much everywhere there's a gap in their coverage in town. It seems like it automagically switches over to VOIP whenever it gets an internet connection, and that's pretty hot, if you ask me. Their customer service is also the least likely to make me want to spork my own eyeballs out rather than talk to them. I seem to recall that last time was almost a... pleasant... experience. If you can believe that.

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  28. This is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    really just bait for the paid commenters right?

  29. Customer Service by inkrypted · · Score: 1

    One other thing to consider is customer service. I switched to Sprint from Verizon and love it. No dropped calls for me and customer service is top notch. Got their home phone service for $20 bucks a month to keep from going over minites cause alot of my family still have landlines. Mobile to mobile is free night and weekends. (7PM) are free. I truely have unlimited data even if I am roaming. So I highly recommend Sprint.

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  30. Are you an idiot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're moving from South Korea to the United States? Voluntarily?

    If that's the case, you're too stupid to use a cell phone.

  31. verizon vs t-mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    They are exact opposites among 4 major carriers, each is best on its own accord:

    Verizon - best coverage, fastest internet, but uses CDMA so cannot use phone abroad, they charge arm and leg for everything, including $30/mo for SMS (tmobile offers it for free), they will happily cripple your phone for no reason, and generally many people try to stay away from it.

    T-Mobile - best prices on contract, GSM network, allows to bring your own phone and gives a monthly discount if you do. Was the first carrier to offer Android. Good coverage in populated areas, adequate coverage elsewhere. They do allow to unlock phone you bought with the plan but if you travel, then buy unlocked phone elsewhere then get their discounted contract.

  32. Where you live is what you get. by glebovitz · · Score: 1

    I can't speak for the entire U.S. It seems that carriers focus on different regions of the country. I traveled quite a bit over the past 7 years and here is my experience.

    I have the best coverage with Verizon. Speeds were consistent and good. In the New England area, I get 4 or 5 bars where ever I go.

    In New England, AT&T just sucks. It sucks on speed and coverage. Drive two miles of the freeway in New Hampshire or Vermont, and signals are spotty. In the metro Boston area, I can't drive 5 miles on the freeway without dropping calls a few times. There was an AT&T billboard in Brighton (part of Boston) that said "More bar in more areas" I think they were describing the taverns and not their coverage.

    Sprint was really good in New England. I had a plan that would allow me to roam on the Verizon network outside of Boston. I don't know if they still do that, but I always have coverage. In the 7 years of using a Sprint phone, I never experience a dropped call on my commute from the North West suburbs (Burlington) into Brookline (4 miles from Downtown).

    I was getting free phones from Nokia and Microsoft and none of them got more than 2G data speeds on T-Mobile. I understand they offer 3G in the 800Mhz band. None of my phones could use the 3G. If you buy one of their special phones, it works. From what I understand they are rolling out HSPA on more frequencies and are also building out their 4G LTE network.

  33. T-mobile by mrsam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Buy an unlocked GSM phone, and activate it on T-mobile. Or, keep the one you have, if it can handle US frequencies.

    Of the four national US carries (small regional carriers typically piggy-back on the big nationals), only AT&T and T-mobile are GSM. Verizon and Sprint use CDMA.

    Over ten years ago I dropped AT&T after their network became too saturated, and became pretty much unusable. From what I hear, things haven't changed.

    Verizon and AT&T have the largest network and best, fastest coverages; but if you're moving to a large, populated, city, T-mobile's coverage will probably be as best as the bigger guys. Out in less-populated areas, far away from the civilization, Verizon's going to be only game in town; sometimes it's AT&T.

    Sprint falls somewhere in the middle between Verizon/AT&T, and T-mobile, who is the smallest, but I think they're the most friendly to people who prefer to use their own, unlocked phone, and have very low tolerance for US cell carrier B.S. They even used to have discounted plans for people who bring their own unlocked phones, but I don't think they do that anymore. They do have "pre-paid" plans, which seem to be a bit cheaper.

    There's no such thing as an unlocked CDMA phone, so with Verizon or Sprint you have to buy one from them, when you buy service. Verizon is notorious for feature-castrating their phones. It's been my experience that "Bluetooth" on Verizon's castrated phones only means a wireless headphone. That's it. No bluetooth file transfer/browsing, no other Bluetooth profiles. If you want to load your own MP3 ringtone, you can only get them on the phone by buying them from Verizon. Sometimes, I heard a rumor that some Verizon phones let you configure an MP3 ringtone that you've transferred over USB, but, it's been my experience that the UI on Verizon's phones do not let you select an uploaded/copied ringtone.

    I've been happy on T-mobile for the last ~10 years. They don't care what phone I use, I just pop in a SIM, and off I go. I finally decided to get a data plan as a back-up for my wired broadband, since I telecommute. Set it up, then twiddled a bit with my phone, and had it set up tethering without any issues. From what I heard, if you want to tether with the bigger carriers, you're likely end up getting charged extra, on top of paying for the data. Utter bullshit. From what I've heard, they've been getting bitch-slapped recently, on that account, because, supposedly they're not allowed to do that anymore, as a condition for buying some recently-auctioned wireless spectrum. Whatever, I don't care.

    As far as prices go, the differences between the carriers are pretty much negligible. The only other thing is: T-mobile, themselves, does not sell Iphones; but if you get an unlocked GSM one, shouldn't be too difficult to activate it. Verizon and AT&T are the primary carriers of Iphone in the US. I think Sprint might be selling them too, though.

    1. Re:T-Mobile by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't really care about customer service, but I've been a pretty happy T-Mobile customer since the Voicestream days.

      They probably have the cheapest plans, and will probably be the most familiar service for international folks... what with using SIM cards and allowing you to use unlocked phones and such. If you already have a quad-band "international" phone, this may be your best bet with finding a phone you can use elsewhere in the world (but do your research... there seem to be some caveats when it comes to max data speed).

      Also, don't shy away with buying an unlocked smartphone from Craigslist. You can get lots of equipment like that for pretty cheap, and T-mobile has cheaper monthly rates without a 1-2yr contract that you would have to sign up for when subsidizing a phone purchase through them... though you might have to dig a bit to get to those cheaper plans.

      Another side benefit is if you pay for the Android data plan, you could probably get away with tethering Android tablets at no extra charge. They recently started detecting PC browsers and redirecting you to a tethering upsell if you try to tether a laptop, though.

      Coverage is great in metropolitan areas and along most interstate corridors. If you want better coverage, then pay out the nose for a Verizon phone... I've had these for work... so I didn't really care about having a locked-down phone as long as I wasn't paying for it.

    2. Re:T-mobile by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      It's been my experience that "Bluetooth" on Verizon's castrated phones only means a wireless headphone. That's it. No bluetooth file transfer/browsing, no other Bluetooth profiles.

      It may have changed, but this is exactly why I left Verizon ~10 years ago and vowed I'd never return. I took great satisfaction in writing them a letter telling them exactly that, although I doubt anyone of importance ever read it.

      I've since been with T-Mobile, then AT&T prepaid, now T-Mobile prepaid.

      Of the three, T-Mobile has the best customer service... but I still wouldn't call it great service; just not-as-bad-as-the-other-guys service. Their support people genuinely try to be helpful, which wasn't my experience with either AT&T or Verizon. But when I've had to call support, in the end there's still too much "I'm sorry but I can't help with that - you need to talk to yyyyy".

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    3. Re:T-mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out in less-populated areas, far away from the civilization, Verizon's going to be only game in town; sometimes it's AT&T.

      In a big chunk of the midwest, AT&T wins, because they recently bought out Centennial, a magnificent regional GSM carrier who did rural buildout right.

    4. Re:T-Mobile by funkify · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you buy an unlocked phone for T-Mobile, best make sure it uses both the 1700Mhz and 2100Mhz bands. Otherwise, you'll be limited to 2G speeds. GSMArena's phone finder tool can help you find handsets that meet this criteria.

    5. Re:T-mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you buy your own unlocked phone, note the supported frequencies if you want high speed data.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart

    6. Re:T-mobile by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Been very happy with T-Mobile, especially with the new value bring-your-own-phone plans (you can buy them from TMo, but at not terribly attractive prices). I'm paying $100/mo for four lines, two with 2GB data (and it just goes to 2G over that - no overage fees), two with unlimited voice, two with 500min voice each, all with unlimited SMS.

      Sure, you have to pay retail for the phones, but if you do the math you're at least breaking even if you buy flagship phones on all four lines every two years, and you can spend more/less without penalty, and you can buy any unlocked GSM phone you want without penalty.

      The only catch is that if you have to watch out for the bands if you want 3G+, but that is true of any of the carriers.

  34. Verizon... AT&T... T-Mobile -- it depends! by Kurt+Granroth · · Score: 2

    Each of the three major carriers are good is some ways and terrible in others. It all depends on what your priorities are.

    Verizon has the best overall coverage US-wide. I've been to many areas that didn't have AT&T or T-Mobile coverage but have never found a place that didn't have Verizon coverage. That's about it.

    AT&T has the fastest data speeds in most of the areas that it does cover (3G or LTE). Also, you can use data and voice at the same time on all of their smartphones right now. They are also less expensive than Verizon in most cases. Coverage is worse, though.

    T-Mobile has ultra-low prices and the best customer service. Worst coverage and slow data speeds, though.

    Oh, and there's Sprint. No idea if they will even be around this time next year.

    I've been with all four. I'm with AT&T right now since I don't need Verizon's roaming coverage and would rather pay less and have faster speeds now.

    1. Re:Verizon... AT&T... T-Mobile -- it depends! by ppp0 · · Score: 1

      You really should give Sprint more credit than you do. Sprint has 56 million customers (and adding) while T-Mobile has 33 million (and not growing).
      Sprint is currently in the process of upgrading their entire network (look up Network Vision) which will benefit coverage, 3G speeds and also blanket their entire footprint with LTE by the end of 2013. Sprint's customer service is tied for best with Verizon. Stock is up 130% this year. They are not going away any time soon.

    2. Re:Verizon... AT&T... T-Mobile -- it depends! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verizon has the best overall coverage US-wide. I've been to many areas that didn't have AT&T or T-Mobile coverage but have never found a place that didn't have Verizon coverage. That's about it.

      West Virginia. If you live in the mountains, go with AT&T. I don't recall why, but they had great coverage in comparison to Verizon.

  35. Re:impossible question. No ideal carrier exists he by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

    As far as I know, ATT and verizon bend over backwards to make you lose old plans they think aren't profitable, and force you to spend money.

    As far as I know about Verizon trying to make you spend money is only recent - I've been with them for ~10 years. If you are an old fart with Verizon like me, you have to give up your unlimited data UNLESS you buy your new phone outright at full price. Now I normally don't use a ton of data, but if they want to play games I can start tethering and guzzling bandwidth when I get my new phone.....

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  36. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ObBetteridge'sLawofHeadlines

  37. Verizon, Hands Down by matthaak · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's much discussion of coverage and speed. Where I live, near Chicago, Verizon can't be beat. But the bigger thing for me is that their Customer Service is very good. I could not believe when I got my iPhone 5 a couple of days ago and had trouble activating it, I called Verizon and was speaking with a good english speaker in less than a minute. This was with millions of people getting the iPhone 5 (probably a good portion of them on Verizon.) My wife just had to call their tech support because her 4S wasn't getting on 3G. Again, she was speaking to someone within less than a minute who was knowledgable. Ironically, as I write this, it turns out the 3G network is down. But Verizon outages like this are very rare and in this day in age of complete crap support and idiot agents, I'd almost rather have a day of outage every year supported by decent people than only an hour supported by morons.

    1. Re:Verizon, Hands Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verizon user here in Houston, TX. So far (and I mean that until popularity wipes it out) is that my iPhone5 gets smokin fast cell speeds. I ran the Speedtest.net app from my phone and got 12Mbps down, 9Mbps up with a latency of 53ms.

    2. Re:Verizon, Hands Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's much discussion of coverage and speed. Where I live, near Chicago, Verizon can't be beat. But the bigger thing for me is that their Customer Service is very good. I could not believe when I got my iPhone 5 a couple of days ago and had trouble activating it, I called Verizon and was speaking with a good english speaker in less than a minute. This was with millions of people getting the iPhone 5 (probably a good portion of them on Verizon.) My wife just had to call their tech support because her 4S wasn't getting on 3G. Again, she was speaking to someone within less than a minute who was knowledgable. Ironically, as I write this, it turns out the 3G network is down. But Verizon outages like this are very rare and in this day in age of complete crap support and idiot agents, I'd almost rather have a day of outage every year supported by decent people than only an hour supported by morons.

      That is really surprising. My experience has been that Verizon customer support is the worst of all the major phone companies. They took over 3 weeks to port my number to them from another carrier. And it took them hours to activate the phone in the first place in the Verizon store where I bought it. Recently, I bought my wife a phone and switched to the shared data plan. However, they billed me for both the individual and the shared data plan. So, I called them and they claimed to fix it. A month later I got my next bill and they didn't fix it. I called them again, and they claimed to fix it again. We will see when I get next month's bill...

      Oh. And don't even get me started on the extra $5/month for not publishing your number...

  38. Virgin Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you're on a budget, you can get good reception (so long as you stay in a city), unlimited 4G data, text and 300 minutes for $35 a month with no contract, about half what other carriers charge. Customer service is moronic, and you do have to buy a phone which will set you back a few bucks but you'll get it back within a few months.

    1. Re:Virgin Mobile by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you are staying in a city then a budget carrier like Virgin Mobile will be best in terms of price and service. I'm still paying $25/month, and I never have any reception problems in or around my city. When I go hiking in the woods I get no reception, but that is not a problem for me. Of course, if you need to have the latest, greatest phone and the best coverage outside of cities, then Virgin Mobile is a terrible choice. Unsurprisingly, it depends on your budget and your needs.

  39. thats a hard choice by Nocturnal+Deviant · · Score: 1

    price =/= service or quality of service...

    sprint and at&t have the most coverage but the shittiest service

    Verizon has the best service and ok coverage

    T-mobile is middling

    as is all the secondary carriers see: cricket, boost, tracphone, virgin mobile etc.

    Personally I use Virgin mobile. I modified my settings so I have sprint level priority since it runs off sprint servers.

    Verizon is the most expensive but has the fastest data.

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  40. Verizon is good for me, but maybe not for you by GoatCheez · · Score: 1

    I pay too much for my cellphone bill, but I've found Verizon to have the best coverage and speed. Don't expect good customer service from any of them. They all are horrible. I was lucky to get grandfathered into real unlimited data with Verizon though, and even was able to keep it through and upgrade from 3G to 4G (Droid 2 to Droid 4). Sprint is really good if you can keep your travels into their coverage area. AT&T seems to be just mediocre overall, so it's really not bad, but it's not exactly good either. If you stay within the city and don't ever go anywhere, there's lots of services like MetroPCS that are SUPER cheap, however I can't vouch for their speed or quality as I don't know anyone that has used it for a smartphone.

  41. Depends on where you live by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Verizon has the best service (in terms of quality) in cities. But in the west at least, AT&T seems like they have better coverage outside cities than Verizon... I just switched to Verizon, and I have better luck making calls at my house but venturing up into the mountains of Colorado I lose signal in places where AT&T was somewhat there (mountains are pretty rough on cell phone signal though).

    Out east I think Verizon is supposed to be better everywhere.

    One thing that Verizon actually does seem to do though that is important, is to upgrade equipment more often than AT&T did.

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    1. Re:Depends on where you live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > One thing that Verizon actually does seem to do though that is important, is to upgrade equipment more often than AT&T did.

      I don't know about that. In my area on AT&T we've gone from GPRS, to EDGE, to 3G, to HSDPA, to HSPA+, with some parts of the city on LTE now. . Verizon did a solid rollout of EVDO early on, but has been sitting on that network for a long time (we don't have LTE yet). It's to a point where Verizon's 3G is nearly useless in my area. AT&T never seems to be the top theoretical performer, and their 3G rollout was pretty rough in terms of dropped calls, but they seem to do gradual upgrades to keep up with demand.

      Verizon is the darling child of tech articles because of their aggressive LTE rollout, but from my perspective, LTE a necessity for Verizon. AT&T's HSPA+ network is still acceptable for most of my mobile needs.

      I have both Verizon (iPad) and AT&T (iPhone). The grandfathered mobile plan I have with AT&T is too good to give up (Verizon would have forced me to change plans had I tried to upgrade to an iPhone 5, I was able to keep it with AT&T). Verizon's LTE is great where it's available, though.

  42. I Gave Up by tobiah · · Score: 1

    I've gone to a smartphone run as a wifi-only SIP VOIP phone, it works where there is wifi (many places) and costs nothing. Cellular service in the U.S. is hopeless.

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    1. Re:I Gave Up by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      I've thought about that. I need to learn more about sip and voip and the discussions above (there is NO clear answer) confirm that the USA phone market is seriously crap. Good sip voip sites to learn, get s/w?

  43. You really should go back by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    If you call it "living abroad" and are all into smart phones, then you really belong over there.

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  44. JD Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Check out JD Power. They rank the carriers region by region. Here in the northeast they give the nod to Verizon.

  45. Re:impossible question. No ideal carrier exists he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon is the one that DOESN'T have a problem with using voice and data at the same time. You're thinking of AT&T.

  46. Flamebait by hobarrera · · Score: 1

    Why can't I mod this article/story flamebait?

    1. Re:Flamebait by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      because it's an honest question. I just want to know what service is decent these days - apparently, they all suck

  47. Ask what the best beer in Germany or Belgium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its kinda of a loaded question there are a bunch of factors. I use to be w/ Tmobile (from Voicestream) then switched to Verizon. Yes verizon has the best signal for me. I use to travel for a living so it worked out extremely well. ZERO issues in any city except this one unusual building which zapped ALL my signal. Aside from that yes verizon is more expensive but if u can find a work discount out there you can get a nice discount which brings the prices down to earth (I have 21%). I have friends w/ TMo and they have an occasional issue w/ losing high speed HSPA+ but hey its life. WIth my new Galaxy S3 I do drop from LTE to 3G once in awhile. Way less dropped calls. When I had issues w/ my old Treo 700p i must of went through 5 replacements, no questions asked via verizon, then went to a blackberry 8830 which i had for 2 years then to a Droid 1 for 2yrs 9 months and now a Galaxy S3. I'd say check out the area where you are moving to, whats your budget, family plan, kind of phone you want.

    Like my oroginal subject: Whats the best beer in germany or belgium... the answer is: LOTS!!!! So it all depends on what kind of beer you want, high alcohol content, light vs dark, hoppy vs non-hoppy,etc..

    Good Luck!

  48. Verizon... by ThermalRunaway · · Score: 1

    I have had ATT for a while and found it particularly frustrating. The "4G" is unreliable and even if you have several bars you can have zero data throughput. I travel frequently to LA and Florida and had poor service both places. Last LA trip we had a biz dinner at a place near the beach and I had no service, my buddy had full Verizon LTE.

    Switched the iPhone 5 about a week ago and went to Verizon and its insanely better. LTE feels about as fast as WiFi at home, and actually faster than some hotel WiFis. I was back in LA the last few days and had great service in areas I had zero on ATT. Would deff recommend Verizon, eps with an LTE phone.

    Other cool note: VZ lets you tether free, ATT makes you pay additional.

  49. T-mobile no iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to use an iphone then t-mobile is out (for now). Verizon's CDMA tech sucks but if you go iphone with them then your handset is gsm unlocked. Also their LTE is faster. Att is just plain expensive and their iphone supports less frequencies - so worse roaming overseas. T-mobile offers a bunch of plans for handsets that are unlocked and seems to be the most progressive- although you will be in roaming in most places. It's almost a toss up.

  50. What? by DuranDuran · · Score: 1

    OP, what are you hoping to get from this Ask Slashdot that you couldn't get from doing your own research? What next, "how do I fix my computer?".

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    1. Re:What? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      have you read the carrier's crap? It's gibberish - especially considering the YMMV aspect of coverage, as confirmed by the numerous my area sucks/rocks but this area rocks/sucks for carrier xyz. Just getting the word from the user,s not the lies from the providers

  51. Coverage map for many carriers by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 1

    Sensorly.com provides coverage maps from user-generated data. I don't know how good the quality of the data is, but it allows you to compare many different carriers and avoids relying on the carriers themselves.

  52. Sprint = Unlimited Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was an AT&T customer from Nov 2003 to July 2011. (Note: I started as a Cingular customer and got acquired.)

    When the time finally came that I wanted an Android, there was only one carrier in the market with unlimited data; Sprint.
    So I switched to Sprint, and I've been very happy.

    I'm pretty much the ideal unlimited data customer. The customer who doesn't even approach the cap of the other providers, but is willing to pay for unlimited data to avoid the hassle of tracking data usage.
    It's too bad AT&T discontinued their unlimited plans, I would have been happy to give the money to them.

  53. Smaller companies cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and in some cases better: for instance, T-mobile offers free Wifi calling, in and out of the country.

  54. Re:Here's one place to look and one I was consider by fermion · · Score: 2
    I would also recommend http://www.antennasearch.com/. A while back I bought a device from Sprint, but could get no good reception. I checked this site and saw that though towers were nearby none were near enough to actually provide a good signal. Though they claim to have a 30 day return policy, I got a lot of grief even though I showed that the device was useless to me.

    The US is a big place, and even within relatively small geographical areas there can be a lot of variation. Look at where you are going to be, and look at who has the towers and the coverage. There are even areas where cricket has a decent score.

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  55. Verizon by Orphaze · · Score: 2

    If you define best as in most reliable coverage, the answer tends to be Verizon regardless of the city in question. This is doubly true as soon as you get into more rural areas, but it's worthwhile in the city as well. (ie, Slightly less likelihood of losing signal in elevators, inside buildings, etc.. than AT&T or T-mobile. Call quality also tends to be better, with less distortions and other weirdness in my experience.)

    For what it's worth, I've also found Verizon's support to be quite good. I'm not sure why all the vitriolic posts about them; every time I've needed them (maybe 4-5 times over the past half decade?), their support has been prompt and helpful, even for weird things like playing musical chairs with phones in an account while simultaneously preserving all upgrade/contract dates. It is also all US-based, and has great hours well into the evening. What more do you want, especially in this day and age of overseas, outsourced support from India that you can barely understand?

    Verizon knows they are the best though, and thus rapes your wallet in every conceivable way as a result. If money is your bottom line, don't even look at them. Go with T-mobile or even AT&T. If however you want the best coverage and quality of service, Verizon is the way to go in most places.

  56. ask people who live in the area your moving too.. by issicus · · Score: 1

    i think nation wide verizon probably has the best coverage , or so they say.

  57. Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    $30 a month buys 300 minutes, unlimited texting, and unlimited 3g/4g (throttled after 2.5 gigs)

    1. Re:Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $35 / mo, actually.

    2. Re:Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      $30 a month buys 300 minutes, unlimited texting, and unlimited 3g/4g (throttled after 2.5 gigs)

      if you buy a optimus v there is a glitch that will allow you to get the old $25/mo 300 anywhere/anytime minutes, unlim text, unlim 3g data, tethering too.

      also i pay no taxes buying airtime direct from callingmart.com

      i am not affiliated with either...the glitch for vmobile grand father plan is on slickdeals.net.

      $25/mo gets you browseable internet and pretty decent coverage for most areas

    3. Re:Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the iPhone plan on Virgin is $30/mo. The rest of the smartphones are $35/mo.

      http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phone-plans/beyond-talk-plans/overview/

    4. Re:Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 1

      It's $35 a month minus $5 a month if you sign up for auto pay. I should have spelled that out

    5. Re:Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a decent smart phone (Android, Blackberry, or iphone) the cost is 35/mo.
      After tax in my areas (Lynchburg, VA) the cost is $37.25/mo. You have to buy the phone out of pocket though.

      My wife has the unlimited everything and it's 55/mo then after tax 58.25/mo.

      With Virgin or Boost you are on the Sprint network but you get NO roaming.
      If you leave Sprint service area you just have no service.
      Works for us, but best to try in your location first.
      3g speeds are better than my crap verizon dsl at home. 2.5gb / mo though means I can't just tether and need to DSL at home also.

    6. Re:Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, and i forgot. Boost is just like 5/month more at first, but you can get the plans that reduce $5 after each 6 months until they are -$15/mo... so better but Boost seems to have pulled out of our area. Can't get phones shipped here and stores aren't carrying them.

    7. Re:Virgin Mobile is looking interesting in the USA by prestonmichaelh · · Score: 1

      $30 a month buys 300 minutes, unlimited texting, and unlimited 3g/4g (throttled after 2.5 gigs)

      I'm a Virgin Mobile customer, so a few clarifications:

      • The $30 a month is only with auto-pay with an iPhone. All other phones are $35 (unless you are grandfathered in or use the current YMMV glitch of switching an older phone to the $25 per month plan)
      • They currently only have 1 4g phone, the HTC Evo V. 4G isn't actually throttled at all, but it uses Sprints older Wi-Max network, so expect speeds around 2-4 Mbps and spotty 4G coverage depending on where you live. All other phones (including the iPhones) are 3G only

      All that said, I switched from AT&T to VM a while back and couldn't be happier. They speeds are slower and data coverage is worse than any of the major 4, but I pay half what I did before for my service, so it is worth it to me.

      Also, in general, if you are going to be in a major city and want the best coverage (regardless of cost) go Verizon. If you are in a more remote area, and want the best coverage, go AT&T.

  58. Verizon, but maybe ATT is catching up? by m6ack · · Score: 1

    I worked in field applications in my previous job -- I lived by my cell phone & I was all over the place always, and 100% connectivity was paramount for me... I would also often need to do conference calls while travelling the highway. I tried a couple of carriers, and then tried Verizon. A few things I could tell you about Verizon:

    0) Incomparable coverage -- I almost always had coverage everywhere across the country.

    1) Rarely dropped any call... only intermittently driving I-5 across Camp Penalton.

    2) I worked many times in an RF SHIELDED building, and I got calls ringing through the shielding.

    So, for me there was no comparison. It cost more, but my butt was on the line with my connectivity, and I had to have that service -- and I have the service to this day.

    Recently though, I had to go to take my dog to a remote area above Temecula in California to shelter my Dog for a trip. I could get coverage (bars) there, but I could not connect a call through. The lady running the kennel said that ATT was the only provider that worked there... So... for remote areas, maybe ATT is catching up? I've heard stories that ATT coverage is not so great everywhere, but at least in this one place it was the only option.

  59. Re:impossible question. No ideal carrier exists he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I happen to be here commenting for the first time in ages, as a verizon indirect agent, I would like to point out that a basic phone with basic service (700 minutes, no texting) can be had for $40/month. Old plans may be 70/mo, and I sometimes see some inexperienced or lazy agents offering the basic smart phone package(data included) with a basic phone service(non data device).... but I try not to put anyone on a 70/mo plan unless they believe its right for them.

    I do have my qualms with a lot of things from every carrier including my own, but I personally like Tmobile and Verizon the most. Verizon has more coverage in most areas I travel, and Tmobile I feel has the best service and pricing in localized areas where they get good coverage..

  60. Service by vovin · · Score: 1

    Bring your phone from korea. It will work on ATT. Get a pre-paid straight talk SIM but do NOT use over 2GB of data/mo. They have a very lame hard limit grrr.
    If you have a penta-band (Galaxy Nexus is the only I know off hand) then the T-Mo options for a data lopsided plan is fine if you don't take voice calls (100 min/mo is designed to be too little, of course). But the 5GB of data is sweet, esp since it just gets throttled to edge if you pass it.
    If you feel the need to overpay for your phone on a lame contract then pick any of the big 4. They all suck for the price the charge.

    FYI: At $25/mo is break even for unlimited service in CONUS. If you pay anything more you should expect *something* right?

    1. Re:Service by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      tried that last time I was in the states - ATT couldn't figure out to work their own cash registers, much less how to make my Korean phone work on their network. Truly sad and most frustrating. T-Mobile could make it work, but Korean phones (at least Samsung) are hard-coded to use Korean servers. Another truly sucky moment on discover of where the packets were going.

    2. Re:Service by vovin · · Score: 1

      You just have to fix your APN (Access Point Name).

      On Android phones go to: Settings | More ... | Mobile Networks | Access Point Names

      It's in the Straight talk FAQ for their apn (the use ATT network OR T-mobile network you have to pick when you buy the SIM).
      See the att.mvno APN

      The ATT APN is pretty easy to find.
      The PTA is for people with the LTE SIMs
      The wap.cingular is for people with 3G SIMs
      The ATT stores do not have "technical" people in my experience. The sell ATT phones pre-configured for ATT SIMs and that is what they know.

    3. Re:Service by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      Did that. Had it configured. But my Samsung Galaxy was still sending packets to Korea

  61. I can tell you which the worst one is... by bennomatic · · Score: 2

    All of them.

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  62. I've been using AT&T for years. by tpstigers · · Score: 1

    Mainly because it was Cingular when I started there, and they haven't yet pissed me off enough to bother going through the effort of switching. I am unable to tell you about the nuts and bolts of my plan because it really just doesn't interest me and I'm too lazy to open another tab and track down the details. This is what I know of it, though:

    - I can't comment about dropped calls, simply because I hardly ever use the thing as an actual phone. On the rare occasion that I do use it as a phone, I push a few buttons and it connects me to other people. Then I talk to them. Usually briefly.

    - When I want to know where I am, my device locates me quite accurately on a map. A map, in fact, that is a remarkably useful thing by itself.

    - If I wish to take part in the Internet, my device connects me to it. The connection is adequate. It is certainly not as lively as I prefer, but I never expect much from any connection away from my own desk. And I'm really not all that interested in taking part in the Internet when I'm away from my desk, anyway.

    - My device takes decent photos and video. This is a key feature in my life. As a father of a 6-year-old, I cannot overstate the value of always having a camera and video camera in my pocket.

    - My device is also quite good at keeping boredom at bay. It can carry around a ridiculous amount of video games, movies, music and books.

    - It's also useful for keeping track of my life.

    - And there's a meaninglessly large amount of apps for the thing. The actual number is meaningless because I will never even look at more than a tiny fraction of them.

    Come to think of it, it's a rather remarkable device. And it costs about the same as my cable.

  63. Re:Here's one place to look and one I was consider by Maow · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd add www.coveragemapper.com and www.cellmapper.net to the list although I'm not sure how complete their coverage maps are for USA; pretty good for Canada.

    I checked out opensignal.com (formerly opensignalmaps.com) and was disappointed in the countries & cities they had maps for.

  64. What a loaded question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That answer really depends on your perspective as to what's the best, why, and what your local market is. There really isn't a good answer.

    Of the Major Carriers:
    1) Sprint has to have the most consumer friendly plans and business practices, but falls short on network technology, and a plethora of other factors.
    2) AT&T has the best network technology, with an extensive 42mbps DCHSPA+ network, backed by a small but growing LTE network, which happens to sport better speeds than Verizon. Simultaneous voice and data in most of the country, like all GSM carriers make it solidly well rounded, and it's signal quality is actually pretty good if you live in the Southeast in particular. Where they fall short: they continuously find new ways to be anti-consumer and general lead the industry in the worst way possible.
    3) Verizon has the best overall network coverage, especially if you live in the west region. They also have pretty solid customer service, but if you have a billing issue -- forget about it. They also have the most extensive LTE coverage, but it's also already getting congested. Still, if you gotta have it, they're a pretty decent provider overall. Just be prepared to pay through the nose. Their new plans are NOT friendly for the single person, or large family, but for a family of 2-3 with quite a few devices and fairly hefty usage, they work out pretty well.
    4) T-Mobile is well known for quality customer service. Also, using GSM technology makes for a fast FauxG network and flexibility. Sadly, they are SEVERELY impeded by lack of spectrum, marketshare, and network buildout which make them operate as a weird stop gap between the regional carriers like Cricket and C-Spire and more major players, like Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint. They, like Sprint, also operate fairly consumer friendly plans and are the only major carrier not to cave to warrantless wiretap requests from the FBI during the Bush administration (if you should care about such things)

    What it all boils down to is: how much do you travel, what are you willing to spend, who has the best coverage in the areas you most frequent, what sorts of anti-consumer policies are you willing to live with, and what sacrifices are you willing to make? There really isn't a perfect answer for everyone. As for me, I go with Verizon on my LTE iPad, and AT&T on my cell phone, which gives me a diversity of coverage options, and the best network technology for things like conference calls, simultaneous voice and data and general network things that you take for granted until you have to live with one of the CDMA carriers. Anyway -- hope that helps. Kind of.

  65. It's obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple.

  66. Shop coverage locally by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    You left in 2005 or so and there were no smart phones? I bought my first in 1998, and it wasn't even that novel, though it was WindowsCE (nothing makes you wince like WinCE). I used VoiceStream and had no problems with calls or speed. The biggest problem was having to pay for Opera Mobile at the time.

    But as my subject says, coverage is a local issue. Some are great on one part of town, and horrible on another. So asking the world about what to get when you move to the US is like asking which gas station chain has the best prices in the USA.

  67. How about US Cellular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been a US Cellular subscriber since 2005 and have had no issues, and unlike some plans and carriers, ALL incoming calls, ALL mobile to mobile is free, nights and weekends start at 7 pm and unlimited every kind of messaging for pretty cheap. I only have 450 minutes a month to use, but with free incoming everything and free nights and weekends starting at 7 pm, I end up not even using all of that a month. I also pay for a small data plan with it and US Cellular has the Belief Project which is a loyalty program where by simply being a customer and paying your bill on time you can earn upgrades faster.

  68. All Companys are Crap and All Plans Stink by utkonos · · Score: 1

    Mobile companies and networks in the US are out to milk as much money as possible from their customers. Creating a good product or network is the least of their concerns.

  69. You're used to what? by cstec · · Score: 1

    You're used to the "wicked speeds" and are looking for coverage compared to South Korea? Try some perspective first. Detroit has parking lots bigger than South Korea, and my personal backyard network would probably qualify as a MAN.

    Kidding, mostly. But before you cop an attitude about dropped calls and poor reception, you might consider that you're using your experience in a nation the size of one of our urban areas and then asking for that in North America.

    For the sarcasm impaired, here's a graphic. And yes, it probably could be argued that Detroit IS a parking lot the size of South Korea. Just with no DMZ. (Well, or all DMZ. Depends on how you want to call it.) http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/KR

    1. Re:You're used to what? by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll bite. New Jersey has a similar population density as S. Korea. Why doesn't it have similarly favorable cell phone and internet speeds and prices?

    2. Re:You're used to what? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      Dude - chill! No attitude, just plain facts of what the phone ecosystem was like then in the US and what I have here in Korea. Of course it's easier to wire and wireless a place with a population density 200x of the US in a space the size of Indiana. That's not the point. The point is, I'm moving back. What should I look into? Thankfully, Detroit won't be one of them.

    3. Re:You're used to what? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      not even close. NJ has a population of 8 million. S Korea is above 50 million. They also have only two carriers, so they have less squabbling over networks and who pays who when someone uses a tower from carrier a or b. The govt invested heavily in technology and internet and wireless is big - that's just different from the US where corporations have to invest in things themselves.

    4. Re:You're used to what? by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      You might want to re-read the post you replied to (and its parent). As I wrote, it's all about population density, not absolute population; even on the scale of New Jesey, population density determines how much profit you can make out of the investment of building a cell phone tower
      South Korea: 487 per square kilometer ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea )
      New Jersey: 459 per square kilometer ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density )
      Looks pretty close to me...

      As for the rest of your post, I was arguing that population density cannot be used as an excuse for the shabby service in the more urbanized parts of the US. You're corroborating my argument by giving reasons for the difference other than population density. Yes, government investments probably play a big role. I don't agree with your "2 carriers" argument, though. I'm more thinking in the lines of: they have 2 carriers that effectively compete and innovate, while the US has a few big carriers that have a (spoken or unspoken) agreement to take it easy on technology and price wars and just drain the wallets of a customer base that is being dissuaded form looking for alternatives with sponsored simlocked phones and 2-year contracts. One can get away with a lot if one owns the FCC...

    5. Re:You're used to what? by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

      And about 66% of Korea's land mass is uninhabitable because it's too mountainous. Straight sq. km to sq. km doesn't mean much. I knew what you meant. And still think you have no idea of the difference in population density we have here, but I mean no offence by that. It's just thick with people, everywhere you go. They even make Jesus on the cross put his arms down to make room for more people. :)

    6. Re:You're used to what? by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      I give you that; S. Korea may indeed not be the best possible basis for comparison. But there are much more thinly populated countries that do have space (I'm thinking Scandinavia) and are said to have good and affordable cell phone and internet service (at least in the populated areas).

  70. Sorry. by raehl · · Score: 1

    MetroPCS is about to be T-Mobile, so not really a separate option.

  71. Need a SIM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work on Android, so I need a phone that can take a SIM card, because I change my phone only slightly less often that I change my underware. In the US that means AT&T or T-Mobile. So it's T-Mobile.

  72. AT&T for now... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    I'm grandfathered in on their unlimited data plan and share 400 minutes and 1000 texts with a second line. Unlimited mobile to mobile too. Throw in a 20% discount from a former employer and we're paying about $115/mo including taxes. I travel a lot and the coverage is excellent all over the country. The other day I compared plans with Verizon. They came in at $160/mo (before taxes!!!) and that was sharing 5GB of data, not unlimited. Way too expensive. Plus, they don't use SIM cards so you can't use one of their phones anywhere overseas. Not a big fan of VZ. Sprint and Tmobile come in at about what I'm paying now. The contract-free providers are not much cheaper although it's tempting. I'd like to be able to use the same phone I have now if I switch to contract-free but it seems they want you to buy another phone. For now, I'll probably just stick with AT&T. They all kind of suck but the service is good so no real incentive to change yet.

  73. AT&T by oldhack · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let me simplify this.

    Go with t-mobile.

    T-mobile coverage sucks where you live? Well, then you're stuck with Verizon (or whoever else is around).

    What about AT&T you ask? Let me tell you. If you're a person who never had to deal with AT&T, you're one lucky lifeform. I'm not so lucky. I pay twice the AT&T advertised rate to the monopoly cable ISP for my home just so that I won't have to deal with AT&T.

    Sprint, I don't know about.

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    1. Re:AT&T by Krojack · · Score: 1

      I pay twice the AT&T advertised rate to the monopoly cable ISP for my home just so that I won't have to deal with AT&T.

      I'm doing the same. I won't get near AT&T.

      Also I have Verizon and have always had good service.

      P.S. If you're good with computers, get a phone you can root. You won't be disappointed once you're able to remove all the bloatware from it.

    2. Re:AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. If you have an international phone, it will work with t-mobile. ATT, despite using GSM, uses funky spectrum for 3G so you will be stuck at 2G speeds with them unless your phone specifically supports ATT.

      Besides ATT will ream you. My local phone company (roaming after 50 miles out of town, but amazingly low prices-- in the $20s for reasonable voice+text service and free incoming calls) was bought out by ATT. I was on way to hospital for major surgery, so went with path of least resistance, and let ATT take over my service. I had ATT for one month. They tried to bill me over $150 I got them to admit that price was complete B.S., but the bill was still $96 for that one month.

      Been with t-mobile since. $30/mo prepaid 1500 minutes / 1500 texts in any combination. They also have an unlimited data + unlimited texting with a small voice quota for $30/mo they will sell to new customers. Combined with skype for an additional $3/mo for unlimited calling to US and Canadian phones, you get unlimited everything for $33/mo. Never tried skype over 2/3G since I have so little data with my plan, but I use this setup with my home wifi instead of a landline for those long conf calls with work, and voice quality is usually quite good.

      No personal experience with the others.

    3. Re:AT&T by CTU · · Score: 1

      Guess I was lucky to not have any trouble with ATT, but back then i had a dumb phone and did not really text.

    4. Re:AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMEN. AT&T was one of the few carriers available 15 years ago with strong enough signal. I work for an organization that is statewide and hands down, after going through three or four other, cheaper providers, Verizon provides the best coverage and there are still spots that are "radio free" for now.

  74. Re:impossible question. No ideal carrier exists he by irving47 · · Score: 1

    No, I'm sorry, but that is wrong. I tested it the other night.. My friend set up tethering on his verizon phone and I started streaming video via his wi-fi. Phone #3 calls in to the tethering phone, and data drops 100% so the phone can ring.

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  75. They all suck. by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

    Take your pick: Choose whichever one fucks you over the least. And that's the tough part, because no matter what you're bound to get fucked over from multiple directions no matter what carrier you choose. And when you sign a contract, you basically sign yourself to get fucked over for two years straight with no way out of it. If you try to weasel your way out of a contract, you'll get fucked hardcore with an early termination fee.

    Good luck...

  76. Pay attention to ROAMING options by evilviper · · Score: 1

    The big two are Verizon and AT&T. They're also the most expensive, and it's generally not necessary to buy service DIRECTLY from them.

    If you're in AT&T's service area, and want service with them, sign-up with T-Mobile. You'll want to make sure you get a dual-band phone, but you'll be able to roam onto AT&T's GSM.

    Verizon generally has the best coverage, and is the most expensive. If you want service with them, sign-up with Sprint... Sprint is cheaper, and allows you free roaming onto Verizon's network whenever needed. Sprint is also nice in that they advertise that they have no caps/limits on their data plans, but you should expect slow-down / congestion using data on their network during peak times...

    The only reason you might NOT want to use this strategy, is if you want extra fast and super reliable data service. I, personally, don't care... I've got fast WiFi access at home, work, and when visiting family and all my friends. So that pretty much leaves streaming Pandora and others to my car stereo while driving down the freeways.

    On Sprint's network, I haven't had my streaming audio stop mid-stream (yet) but I wouldn't expect video streaming such as youtube to be smooth, whereas Verizon's deeper network is faster, and more consistently so. Plus, Sprint is in a bad spot, transitioning it's 4G service from WiMax to LTE. Of course Verizon and AT&T's LTE networks are both pretty patchy yet, so I recommend just being content with 3G (and WiFi) for the next couple years.

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    1. Re:Pay attention to ROAMING options by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      I agree with this method, in fact as a current Virgin Mobile customer, recently I was looking into alternatives that would give me better coverage in certain places out of town (rural areas). I found out that like you said, Verizon is ridiculously expensive, but I was told that they're pretty much all that works in those areas. Sprint is high too, but maybe ten or twenty bucks less, and theoretically it uses the same Sprint towers that my VM phone does... but the fact that they allow roaming on Verizon towers at no extra cost is nice. That would basically do it for me.

      Problem is, I walked in and asked if there was any way to eliminate the "unlimited" data and texting and get more... you know, talk time. It is a motherfucking phone, after all, and I have Wi-Fi access almost everywhere I go except for on the road, and I'm even paying for my own home Internet connection. They said they can turn off data completely, but one, I would still have to pay for it (WTF?!) and two, it's all-or-nothing, meaning that for those few times I do want to get online (for example, at a store), I can't. As for text messaging, they can't drop that to, say, 75 or even 150 messages per month either.

      Which would leave me stuck with unlimited Web that I don't need (on my current phone, I leave Wi-Fi on practically all the time and keep the data network connection off--it's one of the biggest improvements in Internet speed and battery life I've made on this thing...), as well as unlimited text messaging that I again don't need, because I use Google Voice almost exclusively for that. Tack on the two-year contract, and I decided that I'll just keep on looking. I might just get Sprint at a later time, but I don't feel like getting fucked over by paying all this "unlimited" shit that I don't need, while at the same time not getting the minutes I want. All this... because I want an Android-based phone, and they seem to think that just because you get a "smartphone" they can force all this extra shit down your throat and gouge you on minutes.

    2. Re:Pay attention to ROAMING options by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Ting is the provider you are looking for. It runs on Sprint network, but allows you to roam on Verizon for Voice and Text. Nothing is unlimited, you choose a plan for text, voice and data separately. You can punch in your usage details and see what it will cost you per month, and switch when the time is right for you.

    3. Re:Pay attention to ROAMING options by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      I gave the company's site a quick glance. Wow... that seems pretty impressive. I've never heard of them before... I'm not sure if I want to risk them just yet, hopefully they get bigger and develop a good reputation while keeping true to what they provide now. It's tempting, but I'm not sure I want to rick switching to them, they go out of business, and I get the possibility of losing my number. I will seriously consider them at some point, thanks for mentioning them.

    4. Re:Pay attention to ROAMING options by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Just so you know, they recently started supporting Bring You Own Device (only from Sprint (not VM or other Sprint MVNOs, though)). That is another option you want to consider, if you do move to them in the future.

    5. Re:Pay attention to ROAMING options by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I did some further reading on the company after my previous reply and came across some articles about that. Sounds great, and looking at their prices I was honestly tempted to find out more. But... I have an Optimus V (Virgin Mobile), so it looks like I will have to wait anyway unless I get a new phone. I do like the fact that they basically just sell Sprint phones that have no further locks in place to prevent the owner from using other providers, and their selection of phones is nice. They don't seem to allow data roaming, so if that's ever a requirement a phone could easily be switched to a Sprint plan--but from the sounds of it, that's the only reason I could imagine wanting to do such a thing.

      Honestly, at the very least, I can imagine buying my next phone from these guys. I'd rather pay it outright at the very least, and preferably have a lower monthly phone service charge. I laughed at their phone number (1-855-TING-FTW) but at the same time it made me wonder if they could be trusted. It turns out that, reading some of the employee's responses to customers and potential customers, these guys are no joke... and further proving that is that they're a part of Tucows. So, my initial leeriness about them because they're so new may not even be so big of a deal after all.

      It looks like this company really does have some good things in plan to offer. I'm actually anxious to see how they turn out and will probably try their service out at some point. Really, the more I read--both articles about them, and forum posts and blog entries directly from employees of the company--the more they really seem to blow away literally every other cell phone service provide in practically every way. With all the research I've done on all the other providers, I'm actually shocked. It really seems like a "too good to be true" scheme... yet, it seems like it is legitimately true. Amazing, and thanks again for the suggestion.

    6. Re:Pay attention to ROAMING options by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Another option for you might be Republic Wireless. They're $19/mo, and in areas where Sprint's coverage leaves something to be desired, you just need to find an open WiFi AP and you're set.

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  77. The best cell phone carrier? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    I've found the pocket to be ideal to carry my cell phone. It has just the right size, and I've got it with me all the time.

    SCNR

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  78. Depends where you live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Carriers won't tell you if you'll get good coverage.

    I live in a Verizon dead zone, and with Sprint I get 4-5 bars while on my wife's Verizon phone she gets 0-1. We haven't switched to the family plan because I need coverage at home, and she swears Verizon is better - even though Verizon drops calls ALL of the time.

    Sprint is unlimited, and has the best customer service. Verizon is very expensive, is limited, with terrible customer service - but will work in more areas.

    I'd go with Sprint if it is available.

  79. Re:Here's one place to look and one I was consider by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

    Cheers to Maow, fermion and be99 - best info so far

  80. STRAIGHT TALK by deadweight · · Score: 1

    http://www.straighttalk.com/ Get the AT&T network SIM - pay $45/month - use your own phone. I got this for my son and so far it has worked fine. It is supposed to be unlimited, but as usual that really means about 2 GB/month. NO contract. You can drop it anytime. I have both AT&T and Verizon phones now (work and home) and honestly they each have an area where the other one works better. Sprint and T-Mobile are not good out in the countryside.

    1. Re:STRAIGHT TALK by tangelogee · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you want to support Wal-Mart - but that's another story altogether. Also, it's just TracFone rebranded.

    2. Re:STRAIGHT TALK by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I had no interaction at all with WalMart. Does Walmart own Straight Talk? Not that I care really. Also they are NOT only Trac-Phones. You can use ANY phone you want to that takes their SIM card. The SIM card I got is on AT&T. They resell AT&T bandwidth.

    3. Re:STRAIGHT TALK by tangelogee · · Score: 1

      Take a look at their website: http://www.straighttalk.com/ it says "only available at Wal-Mart, and at the bottom it says "StraightTalk is a registered Trademark of TracFone Wireless."

    4. Re:STRAIGHT TALK by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I ordered my SIM straight from the web site and they mailed it to me ;) I got my phone from FleaBay. They do have TracFones, but that isn't ALL they do.

    5. Re:STRAIGHT TALK by xZoomerZx · · Score: 1

      This. A Galaxy Nexus and a Straight Talk plan. Coverage in my area is far better than the Verizon/Sprint/CDMA. Unlimited everything, no contract. I compared this route to my sons ATT/iPhone setup and at the end of 2 years I am ahead $1k, but use the same network and have a phone that is the equal of the much hyped Apple offering. Granted, ATT is only a 3.75G network, but it's fast enough for all I do. YMMV

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  81. Re:impossible question. No ideal carrier exists he by IsoRashi · · Score: 1

    I've used Verizon Wireless since roughly 2002; I've only had to call customer service a handful of times, but it was usually painless and quick. The only time things took a while was when I had to get my phone serviced under the best-buy service plan, and I "lost" my unlimited data. The Verizon rep got me my unlimited data back, but it took a couple of weeks to receive a waiver.

    Longer version: I left my phone in my jeans when they went in the wash. Took it to bby, where I had a service plan for the phone, and they gave me a temporary feature phone and, while activating it, told the Verizon rep that I had unlimited data and that they should give it back to me when I received my repaired phone. When I got my phone back, they put me on a metered plan. The Verizon rep who worked on getting my unlimited back said that bby had screwed up and that, since I had a smart-phone data plan, they were supposed to give me a smart-phone as a temp. Tbh, I believe the Verizon rep because I recall clearly that when I had gone to bby, the person who handled my service claim said they didn't have an open phone to give me to use as a temp and called her manager over, who told her to open up & give me the cheapest phone they had on hand.

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  82. Re:buy discount cheap nike shoes by martypantsROK · · Score: 0

    are you a complete idiot?

  83. StraightTalk hands down if 4G is not a requirement by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

    StraightTalk costs $45/month for unlimited voice/data/sms, without contract! They use the AT&T 3g network so you get better coverage than T-mobile. They use sim cards which will actually work on a LOCKED T-mobile or AT&T phone.

    The only reasonably priced 4G is MetroPCS. You pay 50-60 a month (again, unlimited data, no contract) and you need to be in a big city. Their big drawback is that they don't use sim cards and their handsets suck compared to everybody else. They're at least a year behind in tech.

    Everybody else will rape you without lube. Sprint will give you unlimited 4G for $100/month, AT&T and Verizon are way worse. I still can't believe they went from unlimited data to selling by the gig. Their greed is unfathomable.

  84. Re:Here's one place to look and one I was consider by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 1

    I examined this and other similar maps based on (urban) neighborhoods where I've had terrible reception on particular providers, and I don't think you can easily tell from these maps. I think it may be best to just ask people who already have phones and will be living and working in areas where you will be.

  85. Stay in Korea, US carriers S.U.C.K. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, going from Korea's amazing cell service to America's shittastic cellular service? Will be like going from eating the finest foods imaginable to digging what you can find out of the garbage dump. My suggestion? Stay in Korea, American internet and cellular companies give zero fucks about providing 'high speed internet', 'great cell service', 'customer support', and 'dropped calls', all the while doing their very best to nickle and dime you to death. while doing the least they can do to get you stay with them.

  86. Solavei by sethrosen · · Score: 1

    It's a new company running over T-Mobile's network, $49 unlimited Voice/Text/Internet no roaming fees, no contracts. nationwide 4G. http://www.solavei.com/sethrosen

  87. Shills Select Your Pistol by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Just like real estate, sir, it's location, location, location....

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  88. Verizon indeed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon. No question. They are a little bit more expensive but the phone coverage/quality is so much better than at&t and Spring, they should be embarassed. I just switched after being on at&t for 6 years. It is so much better.

  89. Location, Location, Location by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Which network is best depends on where you are. I live in the Hudson Valley north of NY and in this sorta rural area, it's verizon or nothing. Literally. If you will be in a city, and have a consistent commute, you could save money with one of the other carriers. Based on Caller ID, I get more crappy/unreadable signals to my office from T-Mobile callers than anyone else. Oh, and be sure you like the smartphone handset. You'll be stuck with it for two years.

  90. Sprint by gelfling · · Score: 2

    Because it frees you from having to use a phone at all. You can stick your head out the window and shout at more people than mere 'phones' on Sprint can reach.

  91. Re:impossible question. No ideal carrier exists he by bobthecow · · Score: 1

    Page Plus Cellular will get you Verizon's native network at much reduced cost. But that depends on whether you care about 4G. If you care about 4G, this won't be an option. Also, the largest amount of data they offer in a monthly plan is 2GB, which is fine for most people, but not if you're a heavy data user via your phone.

  92. Nicely done, wierd_w by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    Good job, wierd_w. I think your post is not only accurate but objective. martypantsROK should understand that if he lives in a large metro area in the USA that he'll have much better results than in a rural area. In rural areas you probably have to use Verizon. I live in a large metro area and I used T-Mobile for years and was happy with them, but I did not use them much for data. My work required me to get a new subsidized phone and I was not able to stay with T-Mobile as for reasons unknown to me, they are the only one of the four major US carriers that my company does not have an agreement with. martypantsROK is likely to be very unimpressed with US mobile and internet service after having lived in South Korea, but that's just how it is.

  93. Credo Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Credo Mobile, if they're available in your area, is excellent. They use the Sprint network, so you can get unlimited data for a reasonable price on an older phone... but the customer service is even better than T-Mobile (who I used for years) and Credo's not only friendly to rooting your phone but supports the EFF, among other non-profits, with a portion of their revenue.

  94. Go with Pre-paid by Noexit · · Score: 1

    Try them all out for a month or two each before deciding.

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  95. North-Central Indiana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    used to be Centennial Wireless here... got aquired by AT&T. I've found most spots for Verizon are outside only, with AT&T inside is full bars -- my parents (central Illinois) have Verizon, all of my In-laws (who live in North Central Indiana in the same area) are on AT&T

  96. all the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at coverage and speed.

    My two year sentence with Sprint is almost up. I have the unlimited plan for two phones. I priced out plans from all the carriers and the prices are all within $12 USD of each other. This is very annoying because they all limit data usage expect Sprint! I want to cut costs, but I can't find a cell phone plan that doesn't make me fell like I'm being raped in the wallet. But Sprint has poor coverage.

    From my experience, Sprint has truly unlimited data (I used well over 20GB /month several times with not issues). Yes twenty GB! I contribute most of that to tethering. (rooted of course, I've already paid for the data, I'm not paying again!) But it's the pudding that proves Sprint did not take any action. I was using the "4G" connection that would give an average of 4Mb/s (not LTE).

    Bottom line, live in a big city and you won't have many issues. Live in a small town and you may as well give up.

  97. Wicked speeds by phorm · · Score: 1

    I'm used to South Korea's wicked speeds

    When I last went to Korea, and connected to the phone network, wicked speeds is what I was expecting. In reality, things weren't really any faster than I get in most areas of Canada. To add to that, many sites were slower due to what I assume was a lack of cache/etc in Asia. Once you hit a minimum level of quality then the speed difference isn't so noticeable (unless you're into downloading movies/music on your phone, perhaps).

    Is it that bad in the US? Everywhere, or just outside of bigger cities?

  98. Sides by phorm · · Score: 1

    Actually, I tended to go there because I wasn't all that big into fries as a side. Most burgers I can get away with, but a load of salty, starchy fries tended to leave me feeling bloated and uncomfortable after visiting most other fast food places.

    Wendy's offers salad, baked potato, or chili as the side. Chili is a winner for me (especially when they don't forget to pack the extra hot-sauce), but YMMV depending on preference.

  99. Fits the burger analogy by phorm · · Score: 1

    Sounds fair. Ask me where my favourite burger place is where I currently live, and the answer is probably Wendy's.

    Ask me when I lived in the east, and the answer would likely have been Harvey's (but they don't seem to have one in BC, Canada, much to my dismay).

    1. Re:Fits the burger analogy by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      Harvey's was great, until they ruined their fries by battering them. Haven't been back since.

  100. Best cell phone is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cricket, as long as they have service in your market. All phone companies suck, and you pay each month for that suckage. Cricket is cheap, they have decent (but not excellent) phones, and they are cheap. (Yes, I know I said that twice.) $60 for all you can eat plus 3G tethering! I'd like to see any of the big carriers beat that.

  101. Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favourite has been Verizon. They have had the best coverage. The prices are annoying but about on par with everything else, but then I don't do data, so my comment might not be totally relevant to you. I've also seen some posts about the customer service being bad. It's definitely not *good*, but it's also on part with every other customer service experience I've had with other companies. If you need customer service, you call, you get a robot fifty times, you wait a lot, people at first don't know what is going on, but in the end it all gets sorted. I can count on one hand the number of times in my life I've gotten customer service ANYWHERE that I liked.

  102. Don't do it! by pseudorand · · Score: 1

    So, if you're returning to the US, does that mean there's a computer-related job opening in somewhere in South Korea? 'cuz I've about had it with the lack of wireless and wired broadband here in the supposedly most advanced country in the world. If you could introduce me to your South Korean employer, I'd very much appreciate it.

    (Actually, I have Verizon and Century Link. Speed is next to useless, but good wireless coverage, no dropped calls and my DSL line is rarely down.)

  103. Chaching! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much money Slashdot makes from these marketing...I mean "questions".

  104. They all suck. Tremedously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was in your position too. Going from AU and Softbank in Japan to KTF and SK in Korea, and then back to the US. Verizon still has the best nationwide coverage. ATT is probably a close 2nd best, but from what I've heard has faster real-world data. It's also slightly cheaper. Sprint has the cheapest unlimited data plans (well, aside from Virgin - but I won't go there). I am currently using T-Mobile, and I HATE it. The reception is garbage most places. (I'm currently in San Francisco, but when I am in the East Bay in a location that is right next to two of their towers I can't even make calls or even send text messages). And everything will be 5x or more expensive here. Also, pretty much ALL carriers in the US also charge you for receiving calls or messages...

    That said, since my reception is so bad with T-Mobile, I'm considering moving to Virgin so I can keep my bills reasonable. They also have the perk of cheap international calling if you prefer that to Skype - but expect lousy coverage and horrible customer service.

  105. Re:impossible question. No ideal carrier exists he by Bigby · · Score: 1

    That is correct on Verizon when using anything but 4G LTE. 4G LTE works while on a call.

  106. My experience with a few of them (MI) by InvisiBill · · Score: 1

    I'm in mid/west lower Michigan. I'm in a fairly rural area by comparison, but only about 20 miles outside Grand Rapids.

    I got a cheap cell phone in the late '90s through my friend who worked at Best Buy. Omnipoint (later VoiceStream, later T-Mobile) was cheap, but the coverage wasn't that great around home (though nobody really was at that time). In '99, I got a job at a company that sold Nextel, so I got one of those cheap. Again, coverage wasn't great (it was often referred to as "Nextime", because it might actually work the next time you tried it). However, Nextel's Direct Connect really took off here (this region used up all its numbers in the first fleet, so they had to add a second fleet and eventually cross-fleeting ability so new users could talk to their friends and family on the old fleet). The more people you knew with Nextels, the more useful it was.

    I stuck with Nextel until '05, when the Direct Connect wasn't really useful to me anymore due to changes in who I was talking to and their chosen cell service. I went to Verizon, who have pretty widespread coverage around here. VZW seems to be the default if some random person wants a cell phone. As others have said, they have pretty good coverage for calls and texts. My current employer uses VZW for their cell phones, so I switched from my personal VZW plan to the company VZW plan when I started working here.

    When the iPhone 3G came out, the company started getting them for some employees, and obviously those people switched to AT&T. I eventually got a 3G and switched also. When the VZW iPhone 4 came out, we started going back for new users. When the 4S was released, the company made the decision to switch everyone back to VZW.

    My early experiences probably don't count for much. There wasn't much coverage here at all, and quite a few things have changed in the past 10+ years. My recent experiences involve only 3G, due to using the iPhone 3G/4/4S. However, there was a noticeable speed drop going from the ATT iPhone 4 to the VZW iPhone 4S. Whereas I'd normally get about 3Mb down with ATT, I'm lucky to break 1Mb with VZW (with full bars on each). With ATT, I had noticeable areas of no coverage. A few coworkers got femtocells because ATT simply lacks coverage in a number of places around here. Since switching to VZW, I don't know if I've ever seen it without at least a little coverage (short of my annual camping trip to Middle-of-Nowhere, Canada). However, I frequently find myself with ~3 bars on VZW, where ATT usually seemed to have 4-5 bars (when I had signal). With the 4S having HSPA+, I really wished I was back on ATT, especially since they seem to have added a tower close to my house out in the sticks - one day I suddenly had 5 bars and great speeds. I'm hoping to upgrade to the iPhone 5, largely for LTE (though VZW's map doesn't show any coverage at home or work, but it'll still be handy when I'm out and about).

    I never had any issues with any of the companies regarding my personal accounts, so I can't speak for customer service on any of them (though the lack of problems itself is something to mention). I don't deal with the details of the business account. The only thing I've done is having ATT unlock my old iPhone, which was a bit of work. Their automated system replied that it got my request, but never sent me an update to let me know it was finished. When I called in, Support said it had already been processed, but something wasn't quite right with it, so they did it again. Other than that, I have nothing to report.

  107. Depends by buser · · Score: 1

    First question, are you getting a new phone or bringing your own? Second, you specified nationwide roaming but will that be in primarily cities or will you be in rural areas too? Third, what is your priority? Price, speed, ubiquitous coverage? Like the old saying goes, pick two.

  108. T-Mobile is awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I switched from AT&T to T-Mobile earlier this year. Our big sell was that T-Mobile is the only mobile phone company which has an unlimited international calling feature for only $20/mo (woah!). The rest of the pricing was much better as well. We have unlimited everything on our phones (voice, sms, data, international calling) and are only paying $20/mo more than we were on AT&T for 700 minutes, no SMS, and 200 MB data.

    The network is not as comprehensive, but a few weeks ago T-Mobile sent us a two-unit $525 Cel-fi booster for free. We didn't solicit for this. T-Mobile just sent me a text message one day asking if I'd like to opt in. YES!

    T-Mobile customer service rocks and we haven't had any surprises on our bills. I highly recommend T-Mobile.

  109. phone-wise, US is a 3rd world superpower... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chingu, coming back from S.Korea is gonna suck invariably.

    To answer your question: there is no "best" carrier here. there are no "good" carriers either.
    Unless you don't mind signing a _lease_ for a _phone_ (which is what all those 2 years plans are, essentially), just go to a Walmart and pick any phone you like.
    Whatever you choose, you're gonna hate it anyway, at some point.

  110. Ting has the cheapest data plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been happy with Ting for their insanely cheap Sprint-powered coverage.

    1. Re:Ting has the cheapest data plans by bprice20 · · Score: 1

      I'll second Ting. They are pretty obviously the best bang for your buck if you live in an area with decent Sprint coverage.

  111. Verizon can tongue-polish my sphincter! by GungaDan · · Score: 1

    Wife and I dropped Verizon a little over a year ago because the relatively strong signal we used to get at home (a few miles outside of Chapel Hill, NC) had vanished seemingly overnight. Instead we had phones that would drain their batteries to the point of shutdown overnight "searching for signal."

    We decided to try Sprint. Coverage looked good based on their map. But when we got home with the new phones we had pretty much the same experience as with Verizon - stand in one specific corner of one room if you wish to make a call. And yeah, the battery drains and the phone dies overnight "searching for signal." So we took 'em back. Sprint was actually really good about it - they gave us no hassle and recommended we go back to Verizon. So we did.

    The Verizon guy I spoke with the next day was a total douche. He actually told me that I had "lost a lot of credibility with Verizon" when I attempted to switch, so I could no longer get the deal they had offered me mere days before to try to retain me as a customer. I shrugged this off and signed up again at a shiny new anus-burning price point. Note to Elvis, the Verizon rep: I will never forget that call, Elvis, and if we ever meet in person I will enjoy beating the smug out of your little punk ass.

    So we got our new Verizon shit phones. Lo and behold, we had the same issue with no service in the house, and phones dying overnight "searching for signal." Another call to Verizon put me in touch with a much nicer rep who agreed to sell me (yes, sell me) a "network extender" that would plug into my router and allow me to make calls from any room in the house, and would prevent the batteries from draining overnight. They wanted $300 for this magical device. I told them no and that I would be canceling my service. After a few minutes on hold they offered me the device at $200. Like a fool I bought it. So here we are a little over a year later, just beyond the midway point of the 2-year contract. We have to choose one of a few different specific locations to stand in for a call to have reasonable quality. And every once in awhile the batteries still drain overnight - I attribute this to the black box they sold me being a piece of shit. The blinky lights confirm it - when they're all blue battery life is good. When one flashes purple it's gonna be a dead phone morning.

    I'm not sure where to go from here. It certainly won't be Verizon again. Unless they offer to send Elvis to my house in person, where I shall use him as a catharsis pinata whenever my service sucks.

    --
    Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
  112. Final comment from OP by martypantsROK · · Score: 1

    Thanks to all for the comments, both the serious and helpful ones and the fun ones. I think I have all the data I need - America's telecom systems are just as jacked up as they were when I left (sigh).

  113. Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reason - Verizon (Vodaphone in Europe) they'll be partnering (already in process) with Comcast which will soon allow for a unified cell/broadband/wireless/phone/TV/Cable package.
    Xfinity already has blasts on the FiOS side of things and this will soon be the norm (Comast/Xfinity + Verizon/Vodaphone) in one place -

    No one out there in data-land is doing this, although AT&T is laying tons of fiber - but that's all catchup now, compared to the combined forces now in motion.

    Also, broadband will still be an option, but also becoming more common are FiOS options for customers - which will be as prominent as 4G LTE (the best 4G currently on the market)

  114. Da Best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Virgin Mobile uses Sprint Towers and is very economical. I'd have to say it is the best prepaid in the US.

  115. Do Pre Paid, no contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recent news story said >50% of US cellular users now use prepaid phones.
    I would lose sleep if I bought another 2 year contact with Devil.

    Ting.com will be my next phone carrier with a hotspot thru VZW sans contract. When we travel into areas lacking Sprint data, we will buy a month of data thru data card.
    See 3gstore.com for data cards from $89 up w/o contract. $10 to $50 per month of 10MB to 5GB data, only if you buy a month.

    Won't you hate you if Google (or X) sells fast cheap service before your contract expires? Service much better than US now has?