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Former Australian Cop Wants Jail For Internet Trolls

beaverdownunder writes "A former police officer in the Australian state of Victoria has called on law enforcement to prosecute creators of hate pages on social media following Facebook's decision to close down a page mocking Jill Meagher, the 29-year-old Melbourne woman abducted and killed last month. Susan McLean, who spent 27 years with Victoria Police before launching her cyber safety consultancy three years ago, said police have the ability to prosecute the creators of pages that are in breach of Australian laws but appear to be unwilling to use it. 'There have been many cases in the UK where these people have been hunted down and charged and jailed. We need to do that in Australia.' Under section 474.17 of the Commonwealth Crimes Act, it is an offense to use 'a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offense,' punishable by three years in jail."

254 comments

  1. end of slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Slashdot might fold if that were to happen, unless they allow slashdot access from prisons.

    1. Re:end of slashdot by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would think a better definition of troll will be needed. If we use the Slashdot definition it would be prison for anyone who think Microsoft actually has some good products. Doesn't agree with RMS view of Free and Open Source Software. Likes patents. Doesn't consider Android Linux when talking about market share. Does consider Android Linux when talking about Free Software. Thinks Religion and Science can get along, or tries to defend their religion. Claims that New Technology is better the older version. Who didn't like "Cloud Technology" before RMS said it was bad. Who Likes "Cloud Technology" after RMS said it was bad. Doesn't jump to the worst possible scenario on a sliding scale argument.

      If we used Slashdot definition in essence all the people who actually think for themselves without following the general consensus would be in prison.

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    2. Re:end of slashdot by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      "a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence"

      Think cyber bullying, but as with most things related to the internet, there's a massive wide grey line here.

    3. Re:end of slashdot by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Who is RMS?

    4. Re:end of slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we used Slashdot definition in essence all the people who actually think for themselves without following the general consensus would be in prison.

      Which is exactly what the government wants. Anything that anyone finds offensive can be grounds for imprisonment if you can whip up enough hysteria. And there are votes in it.

      I find police statement calling the imprisonment of large parts of population for posting online offensive to my belief in free speech. As it has been posted online I will be starting a civil prosecution and asking for the maximum 3 years.

    5. Re:end of slashdot by kootsoop · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:end of slashdot by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      the general consensus

      Police were "pretty much laughing there", she added.

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    7. Re:end of slashdot by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I would think a better definition of troll will be needed.

      No, even with an unequivocal definition of troll, this is still a horrible idea. Government censorship is more harmful than trolling.

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    8. Re:end of slashdot by chaos_technique · · Score: 1

      Ah, you forgot to smite grammar nazis and their semantic brethren. General consensus is a pleonasm, you insensitive clod.

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    9. Re:end of slashdot by chaos_technique · · Score: 1

      Wooosh?

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    10. Re:end of slashdot by xenobyte · · Score: 2

      "a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence"

      Think cyber bullying, but as with most things related to the internet, there's a massive wide grey line here.

      Pretty much no.

      You are always welcome to state your opinion, but as soon as you start spreading lies, private nude pictures etc. with the purpose to cause grief for a specific individual, it's cyber bullying and should be punish accordingly, i.e. hard and with a vengenance. There's no grey area or line here. It's pretty much black and white. As soon as it gets personal you're over line in perhaps more than one way.

      Any kind of bullying is repulsive and cruel, and the cyber version just adds cowardice to the mix (the 'safe distance'). All bullies should be punished severely, both physically and through the legal system. If you stop them early, things can still be brought back on track. Later we're talking jail time (juvenile detention or similar) and transfer/relocation of the victim to solve things and that's both expensive and messy. Do not forget that a bully that don't stop after the first warning must be considered evil and ruthless and should be dealt with accordingly.

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    11. Re:end of slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    12. Re:end of slashdot by spauldo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, it'd be funny, if so many of you weren't actually stupid enough to believe this.

      There's a lot of /. users. Anyone who gets some karma has mod points they can use. Anything you say will likely have someone who disagrees with you on this site. Unfortunately, some people are just a bit too quick with the "troll" tag on the moderation system. Usually other mods will compensate, but shit happens sometimes. That doesn't mean you're a troll, and no one (well, hardly anyone) thinks you're a troll unless you're actually trolling.

      Some guy on another story was whining about how /. has this huge socialist bias and was made up of people who feel guilty working for corporations so they demand higher taxes and more restrictions on the GPL. He apparently just doesn't see all the libertarians cluttering up the place in here, just like you don't see all the anti-RMS, pro-Microsoft, and even pro-religion comments in here. They are there, and if they're in the minority, well, that's just the way it goes. You're going to have a minority any time there's more than a few people who disagree.

      These posts are meant for discussion, not syncophantic circlejerking. People are going to disagree with you. Yes, some assholes are going to abuse the moderation system. If you don't like it, you're free to create your own private IRC channel and rant to yourself all day long where no one can disagree with you.

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    13. Re:end of slashdot by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      I find your post offensive and threatening. What about political speech? What if I write that Mittens is a a-hole? As you said there is no grey area so ....
      Is mittens an A-hole or was this a lie? Some would say Mittens is an A-Hole. Some would say that's a lie.
      So should I feel like jail time is a serious threat to me now that I have said that Mittens is an A-Hole?
      What if I write that religions are all bullshit. No one can prove that their religion is actually the one true religion yet everyone acts as though their religion is the one true religion. And that their religion and their religion alone is true.
      Plus most religious people act, if not outright say they speak to God directly therefor their religion is the word of God and should have the weight of law.
      What if you mock their religion?
      What if their religion says porn is evil and a sin, would watching porn be mocking their God and their religion?
      What if I just disagree with a religion?
      My opinion is that you are a troll.
      My opinion is that you do not understand the concept of FREE SPEECH.
      My opinion is that this will be used to punish people who disagree with other people.
      My opinion is this law and the people that support it are cyber-bullies and should go to jail.
      or
      If you are easily offended by things that are said on the internet STAY THE FUCK OFF THE INTERNET.

    14. Re:end of slashdot by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      BTW I love your sig.
      "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) -
      Perhaps you should have read it before posting.

    15. Re:end of slashdot by Stan92057 · · Score: 0

      So if you use your free speech to call some religion bullshit or whatever i can punch you in the face or burn down your house because IMO you lied. Words hurt just as much as getting punched or getting your house burned down.

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    16. Re:end of slashdot by Stan92057 · · Score: 0

      That,s how my karma got bad.judging my opinion as being troll.

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    17. Re:end of slashdot by cez · · Score: 1

      wait what!? lol, its Freedom of Speech he's talking about.... not Freedom of Punching People in the Face. What are you on about? While this is Australia we are talking about, regardless here in the US we have enough laws that cover this already but they should be treated under already relevant sections, stalking, libel etc. Big man punch hard, I bet. All religion is bullshit btw, and you are more then welcome to try to punch me in the face.

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    18. Re:end of slashdot by Stan92057 · · Score: 0

      om on about taking responsibility for your actions even if them actions are words. And i would never threaten/harass someone online its cowardly but your smart enough to have figured that out hu?

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    19. Re:end of slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think cyber bullying, but as with most things related to the internet, there's a massive wide grey line here.

      As with most things related to the law there's a massive wide grey line. That's why we developed this technology called "the courts," which assess the situation on a case by case basis (and will generally presume against criminality).

    20. Re:end of slashdot by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      i'm very much offended by pictures of barbie and mickey mouse and how they affect young children these days. I think anyone posting any of that filth should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Think about the damage to those little child brains. Math is hard, mickey, don't fall for it. WTF man ?

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  2. TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Eat shit and die !!

    1. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Believe it or not, I think the parent post was on topic.

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    2. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an aussie I can tell you our police are idiots - this is proof. The simple fact she doesnt even know the definition of a troll, vs someone using hate speech shows how nieve she is. 3 years of xp eating donuts does not qualify you.

    3. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But really, Who doesn't enjoy a good troll every now and then.

    4. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Too right mate. This pig can go fuck himself. Yes he deserves to die, and i hope he burns in hell.

    5. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and by him and he i mean her and she.

    6. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm a little surprised she said jail, and not tasered to death. Personally i think we should work on our police brutality laws, but i can see why that's not popular with the police.

    7. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      LMAO

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    8. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the only time you will see
      'Eat shit and die !!'
      get voted +5 Informative. Sometimes you people amaze me.

    9. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      When I posted this, the parent comment was -1 and I figured mine would get modded the same way. You can imagine my shock and amusement when not only was mine modded up to +5, but so was OP.

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    10. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll only appears in the title of the slashdot article, it does not appear in the original article or this persons comments.

    11. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " doesnt even know the definition of a troll, vs someone using hate speech"

      Ummm, no. The original article and the police officer only said "creators of hate pages", nothing about Trolls. Blame the slashdot article contributor for that one. He must be the idiot for modifying "hate speech" to "troll".

    12. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an Ex-WA Police employee I can tell you our police are not idiots. Lazy, scared of paper work and a lot of other things, but idiots, they are not.

      As she states:

      Under section 474.17 of the Commonwealth Crimes Act, it is an offence to use "a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence", punishable by three years in jail.

      So, it is not that she doesn't know that difference between hate speech and being a troll, it is you who do not realise that under Australian Law you can be jailed for just being a troll. The police will most likely not bother (as they will see it as a waste of their time to pursue most trolling), and they won't want to do the paperwork, especially on something they regard as trivial. But, pages like the one on Facebook, as she correctly states, can be prosecuted.

      Police not upholding the law does not equate to the law not existing. I'm sure if the police wanted to hold someone for something more serious (like murder) that they didn't have enough evidence for, they'd probably use an example of them trolling and 474.17 in order to get them behind bars for a while in the same way that they sometimes use speeding tickets or parking fines to hold people they suspect of greater crimes long enough to get their evidence together.

      But, under the law as it stands in Australia, trolling is enough to get you locked up.

    13. Re:TROLL THIS MOTHERFUCKERS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and all this time I thought slashdot was mature than reddit or 4chan...what a downward spiral this website has taken in recent years.

  3. Dingos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Someone needs to take this stupid nazi cunt Susan McLean into the outback and stake her down so that dingos can chew her face off. Although if she was with the police for 27 years she's obviously well into middle age and she probably not terribly attractive considering that she's being still called "Ms." She might be so fucking hideous the dingoes wouldn't be able to stomach her.

  4. *shiver* by Loopy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The world is a big, mean, scary place full of ill-intentioned people who will take advantage of the uneducated and the less-vigilant.

    s/people/governments/ig

    Question: do you think it is easier to defend yourself against hateful onslaught by ill-intentioned individuals or against governments that will take away your life, liberty and property just because you aren't toeing the party line? Follow-up: what do you suppose are some of the best ways to defend against tyranny? /popcorn

    1. Re:*shiver* by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Follow-up: what do you suppose are some of the best ways to defend against tyranny?

      Moat. Can't go wrong with a moat.

    2. Re:*shiver* by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      police have the ability to prosecute the creators of pages that are in breach of Australian laws but appear to be unwilling to use it

      ...because they know if they do they'll have every whining emo adolescent in Australia constantly on the phone asking them to "do something". Pretty soon the entire system will collapse.

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    3. Re:*shiver* by Talderas · · Score: 1

      I fill mine with alligators. To ensure I am not liable I have signs posted every 5 ft that say "BEWARE OF MOAT ALLIGATORS".

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    4. Re:*shiver* by Githaron · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think it might be cool to have a moat.

    5. Re:*shiver* by rvw · · Score: 2

      Follow-up: what do you suppose are some of the best ways to defend against tyranny?

      Moat. Can't go wrong with a moat.

      Yes you can!

    6. Re:*shiver* by Millennium · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's probably not enough to protect you from liability, because it doesn't adequately explain the danger of moat alligators. I'd suggest something like this.

      BEWARE OF MOAT ALLIGATORS
      MOAT ALLIGATORS ARE CARNIVORES
      IF YOU GO IN THE MOAT THEY WILL EAT YOU
      YOU MIGHT DIE

      That might work.

    7. Re:*shiver* by horza · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not only do government officials get their own moats, the taxpayers have to pay to clean it. "Cherchez le vache!"

      Phillip.

    8. Re:*shiver* by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Well. I have decided that at least here in the US I have already at times chosen not to say things do to fear of government (local, state, federal) reprisals.
      On the current topic though...
      Who is this storm trooping ex police nazi Susan McLean?
      Is she that Susan McLean from Australia that killed 12 children and then ate their private parts?
      Or
      Is Susan McLean the Australian cop that "accidentally" killed 2 infants in a stroller?
      Does Susan McLean have anything to say about her alleged rape 6 small boys in 1999?
      Is there any truth to the rumor that Susan McLean is a lesbian who "likes em young"?
      I just wonder if Susan McLean ever looked into a mirror and said "Susan McLean. You need to slow down on all that dope you have been doing."?
      Did I just hear that Susan McLeans mother was killed by the Taliban for being a whore? Not sure if I heard that correctly.
      I am currently looking into a story I thought I might have seen about Susan McLean taking bribes from pedo porn publishers and supplying children for the industry.
      Has anyone any information to the contrary on this?

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    9. Re:*shiver* by ToadProphet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also,

      MAY CONTAIN PEANUTS

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    10. Re:*shiver* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in police/government don't understand satire at all.

      The problem with attitudes like this they cause bad laws that are used just against people they don't like for the wrong reasons.

    11. Re:*shiver* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only a problem AFTER a few people have ignored the signs.

    12. Re:*shiver* by JustOK · · Score: 1

      And someone will sue you because one of the signs fell on them.

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    13. Re:*shiver* by vgerclover · · Score: 4, Funny

      Moat alligators are known to cause Cancer in the state of California.

    14. Re:*shiver* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This and well... aussie cops are trained in using a speed camera... that's about it.

    15. Re:*shiver* by Seumas · · Score: 1

      This sort of censorship is exactly the kind of thing the "anti-bully" organizations are actually seeking, under the guise of something we all can sympathize with (horrendous bullying). Except, instead of dealing with the actual problems and realistic solutions that can be implemented by getting adults in positions of authority to actually do something about bullying, they constantly frame it as a problem only to be dealt with by stripping anonymity and privacy on the internet along with creating laws (like seen in Britain) that make being a verbal meanie "criminal".

    16. Re:*shiver* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i would fill my moat with trolls.

    17. Re:*shiver* by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

      Moat alligators have shown averse skin reactions in a small number of participants in a controlled study, in which participants were exposed to moat alligators for a prolonged period of time. Based on this result, caution should be taken when possible exposure to moat alligators might be unavoidable. If you experience adverse skin reactions as a result of exposure to moat alligators, stop exposure immediately and consult a qualified dermatologist.

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    18. Re:*shiver* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possible complaints from people...
      I don't know how to read.
      I don't speak English natively.
      I forgot my glasses and can't read what it says.
      I am blind and need audio.
      I can't understand the mumbling in the audio warning.
      If this attempted suicide attempt fails, I'm going to sue you.

      About the article...
      Free speech needs to be protected, however, people have a right to feel secure in their homes. In other words, harassment crosses the line when you can't ignore someone. In other words, if it were e-mail...
      You told them to stop, but they didn't.
      You blocked their e-mail address, and they figured it out and got a different one.
      And the cycle goes on and on with no possible way to ignore it.
      Think of it like noise ordinances.

    19. Re:*shiver* by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Moat alligators are known to cause Cancer in the state of California.

      Cure for Cancer:

      1) Move to California
      2) Kill all moat alligators.

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    20. Re:*shiver* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference between the USA and Australia is that we elected our government to make laws for us the people. Novel idea I know. Us people don't like dicks causing people to commit suicide or abuse people in distress. Novel idea to you guys I know. In Australia we are polite because it suits us, not because we are scared shitless that some dick is gonna pull a gun and redress some insult with a bullet between the eyes. Novel idea I know. In Australia we don't go crazy just because we can get away with it because we can't.

      The fathers of the US condtitution gave you a right of free speech. A right is not to be abused. If the fathers of the republic saw how you abuse your right of free speech they would likely have changed their minds.

    21. Re:*shiver* by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      Can moat gators be outfitted with friggin lasers? If not I would go with sharks.

    22. Re:*shiver* by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      I am a HUGE supporter of free speech. But I agree with you on limits and much of what you said as to what those limits should be.
      You seem to be able to think. WTF are you doing here.
      ARREST THAT MAN.

  5. Cause offense - go to jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know I'm wasting time and space, by pointing out that if this fascist law were to be enforced, that would be the end of free speech. This police woman's remarks offend me and have been published on the Internet, so when can I expert her to be prosecuted?

    1. Re:Cause offense - go to jail by erroneus · · Score: 1

      As a law abiding person, you should expect her to turn herself in.

    2. Re:Cause offense - go to jail by Zemran · · Score: 1

      Politicians???

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    3. Re:Cause offense - go to jail by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      I'm not in favor of jail time, but I wouldn't mind a Constiutional amendment allowing particularly egregious cases to be placed on the next national election ballot: "Shall soandso, who made fun of dying cancer child soandso2, be beaten by an orangutan?"

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  6. ACAB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuff said

  7. Do Not Want! by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

    a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offense,' punishable by three years in jail."

    Cause offense? Your existance offends me! Your funny-colored hair offends me! The fact that you're a man, woman, human, or bovine offends me! See, that's the problem with "cause offense" -- it's entirely subjective. It depends on the recipient. No free country should have a law on the books claiming things that are offensive are illegal, anymore than people should be liable for the emotional reactions of others. When you make something criminal, you need to be specific about the behavior. "Entered house with force and intent to steal." That's provable, objective, and fairly unambiguous. "Caused emotional distress" can't be proven, it's totally subjective, and highly ambiguous. In any criminal test, you have to ask yourself: Could a reasonable person determine ahead of time that the behavior in question was (unambiguously) illegal?

    Kill this law with fire, and while you're at it, tell the legislator to fuck off, eat a bag of dicks, and that his face is ugly. But be sure to put a smiley face at the end... we wouldn't want to sound... offensive. In other news, please enjoy this politically, culturally, and sexually correct joke:

    ___________________________________

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    1. Re:Do Not Want! by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

      A priest, a minister, a rabbi and a polar bear walk into a bar. Bartender says: "What is this, some kind of joke?".

    2. Re:Do Not Want! by Kupfernigk · · Score: 0
      Though I agree with many of your posts, on this one I think you have missed a point. The operative verb is "use" as in "use a carriage service...to cause offence".

      There is a difference between posting something on a website that somebody has to go and look at - clearly I don't expect to find rational and polite criticism of, say, Obama on Fox News - and if Rush Limbaugh was to obtain Obama's private email address and send him a torrent of racist abuse.

      Clearly many US citizens disagree with this; there's a lot of hatred bottled up in an awful lot of people all over the world. But I tend to agree that there should be an offence of deliberately sending messages intended to upset someone. In English law we have a saying "You take your victim as you find him". This means that if someone deliberately knocks over a person with brittle bone syndrome and they die, it is manslaughter because when you decided to behave violently, you became responsible for all possible consequences. If you send poisonous abuse to someone who, as a result of whatever problems, then commits suicide, you should be prosecuted because you did something wrong and must accept the consequences.

      It is only a slippery slope if the word "deliberately" is omitted or the law is ridiculously extended (as in the Paul Chambers case, where the Lords of Appeal criticised the lower court.)

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    3. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Offense" may mean "an illegal act" not "to offend someone." Layers have their own jargon.

    4. Re:Do Not Want! by joocemann · · Score: 1

      Let's stay on topic.

      These are people who are misrepresenting the truth, often creating online profiles as people whom they actually are not, and that action is hurtful to society.

      It's not a simple case of "I don't like that."

      Done here.

    5. Re:Do Not Want! by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      That's offensive to drunk clergymen. I'm afraid you're going to have to go with:
      Someone walked into a bar and said "Ouch!"

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    6. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A horse walks into a bar. Bartender says, "Get the hell out! I've already heard that one three times this week!"

    7. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens then when someone comes looking to prosecute you because the phrase

      you have missed a point

      gave this poor, sensitive soul a terminal heart aneurism?

      You take the victim as you find him. In this hypothetical scenario, you are a murderer.

    8. Re:Do Not Want! by JakeBurn · · Score: 1

      The only problem there is that there are people who's intent is to cause emotional harm. The Canadian gov't is dealing with a girl who was harassed to the point of suicide. While most of us here on planet internet seem to be soulless assholes who have no problem ignoring most of the hate, the rest of the world that is just now catching up to us on internet usage has not had decades to slowly acclimatize themselves to it. While I don't think the above mentioned law is the way to go, something needs to be done. The only reason why the internet is so filled with hate is there are ZERO repercussions. People like to act like words don't harm a person in an even worse way than physical violence but they do. Why do you think people rarely open their mouths in public but everyone on the internet is a tough guy? That person in public you just cut deeply with your words is likely to stomp your ass into the ground and not care one bit about the consequences.

    9. Re:Do Not Want! by vux984 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You countered your own argument:

      "Could a reasonable person determine ahead of time that the behavior in question was (unambiguously) illegal?"

      A reasonable person could. Sure as with all tests of reasonableness there's going to be a nebulous area between hey, that's ok, and hey holy shit you crossed a line. But so what? As long as the penalty for treading into the nebula is appropriate. (read: small -- community service, small fine, a warning the first time...) I'm fine with 'a test of reasonableness'.

      No free country should have a law on the books claiming things that are offensive are illegal, anymore than people should be liable for the emotional reactions of others.

      Right. As teens my friends and I thought it was hilarious to call that 11 year old boy a faggot every time any of us saw him - it was so funny we got the whole grade 6 to join in. It was just our thing. Why should we be at all liable in any way that it upset him to the point of depression and attempted suicide?

      And now when I continually proposition my hot coworker for sex and compliment her ass? She should be flattered. But now I've got this sexual harrassment charge pending. WTF!

      No free country should have a law on the books claiming that offending people are illegal, right?

      So then I posted images of holocaust mass graves, except with little penises drawn on the bodies, and each one labelled a faggot. It was hilarious, so I posted it to the local jewish temple's public forum with the subject "the faggots deserved it"

      Like what reasonable person could determine ahead of time that this was going to offend any one? Not me, that's for sure!

      Now in all serious, I -am- a proponent of free speech, and I even defend our right to say something that offends, or even to be offensive.

      But at the same time, I do think there should be tools in law for people to protect themselves from complete assholes who are just deliberately harassing them.

      There IS a balance that needs to be struck.

    10. Re:Do Not Want! by Talderas · · Score: 1

      That's offensive to people who walk into bars.

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    11. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone actually know a priest-minister-rabbi joke? I've only ever heard it as a meta-joke.

    12. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A marine walks into a bar. He looks around, confused. Finally, he asks the bartender.

    13. Re:Do Not Want! by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      A priest, a minister and a rabbi are discussing when life begins. The priest says "life begins at conception". The minister says "life begins at birth". The rabbi says "life begins when the kids move out and the dog dies".

    14. Re:Do Not Want! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Cause offense?

      Offensive speech is the only kind that actually needs free speech protections. Nobody bothers to challenge speech that causes no offense.

      Americans used to say, "I hate what you say, but I would die for your right to say it." Now it seems to be overwhelmingly, "don't rock the boat, man. What's on TV tonight?"

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    15. Re:Do Not Want! by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Then make harassment a crime. This can be done without criminalizing any particular form of speech, thus preserving a right that should be absolute, and it has the added bonus of covering non-speech forms of harassment in the same law. The only losers in such an arrangement are the ones who want to silence people, and they deserve to lose.

      The right to bear arms doesn't shield someone from committing crimes with a weapon. Neither need the right to free speech shield someone from committing crimes by speaking.

    16. Re:Do Not Want! by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Americans used to say, "I hate what you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

      Actually, that was Voltaire, a french man best known for writing such withering critiques of certain written works that the authors would commit suicide. He said "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Americans paraphrase it by just saying "free speech, fuck yeah!"

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    17. Re:Do Not Want! by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These are people who are misrepresenting the truth, often creating online profiles as people whom they actually are not, and that action is hurtful to society.

      If misrepresenting the truth is a crime, anyone who's a politician or politically active is a criminal. Creating online profiles as people who they are not means a lot of people who only use Facebook to play Farmville are now criminals. And my definition of hurtful to society depends on an objective, clear, and unambiguous hurt -- like cutting off someone's arm, stealing their car, etc. There's a clear loss there. "Someone lied to me!" isn't harming society to the extent that it needs to be regulated behavior.

      And your definition completely omits from its definition of a crime the person's intent in doing those things. I consider that pretty important in determining what should be a crime and what shouldn't be. So do most criminal defense attorneys, judges, and law enforcement... they want to see criminal intent, not just "oops"

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    18. Re:Do Not Want! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      This means that if someone deliberately knocks over a person with brittle bone syndrome and they die, it is manslaughter

      Because you didn't intend to kill him?

      Wrong!

      It's murder even if you only intended to commit serious harm (e.g. GBH). The reason for this ought to be obvious even to you.

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    19. Re:Do Not Want! by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      A reasonable person could.

      So you really think if I round up a dozen people and ask them whether a given behavior is offensive, all 12 of them will agree in the substantial majority of cases that it's offensive (or not)? Because I've been watching the Presidential debates, and let me just say, even when not giving offense is at a premium, they're still regularly infuriating people in significant quantities. "A binder full of women" anyone?

      Why should we be at all liable in any way that it upset him to the point of depression and attempted suicide?

      Because being a douchebag isn't a crime. If it was, most of the people on slashdot would be on America's Most Wanted.

      And now when I continually proposition my hot coworker for sex and compliment her ass? She should be flattered. But now I've got this sexual harrassment charge pending. WTF!

      You're interfering with a person's ability to work, something everyone needs to do to survive. Workplace behavior is more regulated because of that. Now if you left the workplace and did the same thing you wouldn't have that charge pending. Different circumstances, different standards.

      So then I posted images of holocaust mass graves, except with little penises drawn on the bodies, and each one labelled a faggot. It was hilarious, so I posted it to the local jewish temple's public forum with the subject "the faggots deserved it". Like what reasonable person could determine ahead of time that this was going to offend any one? Not me, that's for sure!

      That would be poor taste. Nobody was harmed, and you didn't go on to advocate or incite violence against jews, so it would be protected speech.

      But at the same time, I do think there should be tools in law for people to protect themselves from complete assholes who are just deliberately harassing them.

      Most people solve this with restraining orders. The remainder usually beat the shit out of them, and the law recognizes this -- if someone punches you in the face after you call them names and/or provoke them, they will probably only get a simple misdemeanor assault charge, and not be arrested or serve jail time. It happens every day.

      There IS a balance that needs to be struck

      Yes, and historically that balance has been far on the side of protecting free speech, even if it's offensive, unethical, immoral, or disgusting. Speech in and of itself has a low inherent ability to harm -- in most circumstances you can walk away. In the remainder, you can get a court order to keep them away. Only in a very tiny island out of the vast ocean of things a person can say, is there a danger zone where regulation is needed. Inciting to violence, yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, etc., are classic examples of unprotected speech -- because it's speech that poses a imminent danger to the life or wellbeing of others. That is the balance point.

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    20. Re:Do Not Want! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I think the difference is that if someone targets someone for harassment, it should be treated very differently than if someone takes offense at a public posting.

      Most of the pushes for restrictions are after examples where someone deliberately targeted a person with the intent to cause harm, and succeeded in that goal. Then the whiners on Slashdot complain that you can choose what's offensive and the person harmed should have chosen to not receive harm from the person who intended them harm. Nice theory, but that's not how people work. and then it gets generalized to where people think it would apply to general statements about groups or made in public forums with no specific intention to harm. Because the arguement about the first case is harder, they assume the second and attack that.

    21. Re:Do Not Want! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      So you really think if I round up a dozen people and ask them whether a given behavior is offensive, all 12 of them will agree in the substantial majority of cases that it's offensive (or not)?

      The substantial majority? yes.

      I already stipulated there was a substantial grey area between "not offensive" and "obviously offensive".

      And I already covered my ass there by stipulating that being "caught" in the grey area should be a misdemeanor at most, with even just a warning as a first "punishment".

      You're interfering with a person's ability to work, something everyone needs to do to survive.

      Wait what? I'm not interfering with their ability to work. Its "just" their "emotional reaction" causing any issues, and according to you I'm not liable for that.

      Workplace behavior is more regulated because of that. Now if you left the workplace and did the same thing you wouldn't have that charge pending. Different circumstances, different standards.

      No. Try it on the woman at the perfume counter at the mall. Or the pretty girl eating alone at McDonald's. You'll get nailed there too. ... Most people solve this with restraining orders...

      So, rather than a fine or a warning, you prefer a straight up restraint on free speech? Ok... to be honest I'm actually fine with that, as long as we agree that being an asshole in the fashion's outlined above is perfectly legitimate grounds for a restraining order.

      And of course that violations of restraining orders is properly enforced.

    22. Re:Do Not Want! by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Funny

      A minister, a priest and a rabbi went for a hike one very hot day. They were sweating profusely by the time they came upon a small lake with a sandy beach. Since it was a secluded spot, they left all their clothes on a big log, ran down the beach to the lake and jumped in the water for a long, refreshing swim.

      Refreshed, they were halfway back up the beach to the spot they'd left their clothes, when a group of ladies from town came along. Unable to get to their clothes in time, the minister and the priest covered their privates and the rabbi covered his face while they ran for cover in the bushes.

      After the ladies wandered on and the men got dressed again, the minister and the priest asked the rabbi why he covered his face rather than his privates.

      The rabbi replied, "I don't know about you, but in MY congregation, it's my face they would recognize."

    23. Re:Do Not Want! by Caspian · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but-- having been a long-time VICTIM of trolling-- I must point out that most trolling is unambiguously INTENDED to harass and to cause emotional distress-- "for the lulz". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read some of the shit kids post on 4chan and recognise it IMMEDIATELY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY as deliberate bullying, plain and simply-- harassment, which (yes) SHOULD be illegal.

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    24. Re:Do Not Want! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Harrassment already is a crime. So we need to clarify what constitutes harrassment under the existing law to ensure the forms of harrassment I outlined are covered.

      But then we're just splitting hairs on semantics and legal implementation. Posting offensive messages in a forum ends up a crime either way.

    25. Re:Do Not Want! by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 2

      OK, but this is not trolling. This is bullying and/or harassment.

    26. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First you say you're a "victim of trolling" then later you you talk of the shit kids post on 4chan and call it "deliberate bullying, plain and simply-- harassment"

      Trolling, bullying and harassment are not the same thing.

    27. Re:Do Not Want! by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      And I already covered my ass there by stipulating that being "caught" in the grey area should be a misdemeanor at most, with even just a warning as a first "punishment".

      I don't like the idea of anyone going to jail because what they did was in a "grey area". It doesn't matter the size of the grey area, the standard in law is beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard is we'd rather let ten guilty men go free than convict an innocent person. I cannot and will not accept your idea that there should be "grey area" crimes. "Well sir, you were close to the speed limit, so I'm going to write you a ticket that's close to the fine you'd get for actually speeding."

      Wait what? I'm not interfering with their ability to work. Its "just" their "emotional reaction" causing any issues, and according to you I'm not liable for that.

      It doesn't matter... you don't have free speech in the workplace. Employers have wide latitude in what behaviors can be regulated. And it's not "just" their emotional reaction here in any event -- your constant advances interfere with their ability to do their job in the same way that children in the backseat of a car shouting "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" interferes with a person's ability to operate a motor vehicle.

      So, rather than a fine or a warning, you prefer a straight up restraint on free speech?

      It's not a restraint on free speech, but a restaint on the person's proximity to another person. They can quite happily scream profanities and talk about the person all they want... as long as they're more than 500 feet away.

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    28. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That runs up against mens rea, or "intent", which is part of all common law.

    29. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *clap clap*

    30. Re:Do Not Want! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I don't like the idea of anyone going to jail because what they did was in a "grey area".

      Copyright infringement depends on a jury interpreting whether your defense of what you did was fair use or not. That's often a grey area.

      "Well sir, you were close to the speed limit, so I'm going to write you a ticket that's close to the fine you'd get for actually speeding."

      The speed limit is not a grey area. Its posted and has a measurable number. (And in my opinion that's actually pretty unreasonable, because doing 102km/h in 100km/h zone is strictly illegal and you are liable for the full fine, plus points on your license, plus (around here at least) a "victim levy", plus increased insurance when you renew. Sure you can fight it, at the cost of your time off work and possibly a lawyer; but I'm on a tangent here...)

      However, the police can also cite you for all sorts "grey area" stuff: "unsafe driving" is pretty much the officer's discretion; "failure to yield" is often very arguable, "drive without due care", "drive without consideration", "unsafe lane change", and one of my favorites "speed relative to conditions" where the posted speed is X, but its raining, snowing, foggy, whatever... and now the speed limit is whatever the police feel like. Not that I think its safe to do full speed on ice in a blizzard or anything, but is it 50? 30? Grey areas: all of them.

      And then we have all sorts of non-moving violation stuff...

      Everything from loitering to negligent homicide has a substantial grey area between "yup you were doing it" to "no, that's not that at all"

      It doesn't matter... you don't have free speech in the workplace.

      And you still can't do it the pretty girl who you see eating lunch at mcdonald's either.

      It's not a restraint on free speech, but a restaint on the person's proximity to another person.

      As applied to an internet troll, it would mean you wouldn't be allowed on such and such forums, etc.

      What is the difference between a restraint on free speech and a restraint on where you speak other than semantics?

      "You are free to say anything you want, as long as the people you want to talk to can't hear you."

      That's rather like the idiotic "free speech zones" they herd protesters into now.

      "You are free to assemble and protest! But you have to do it here in parking lot C behind the outbuilding where no one can see or hear you."

      Both are restraint on free speech.

    31. Re:Do Not Want! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but-- having been a long-time VICTIM of trolling-- I must point out that most trolling is unambiguously INTENDED to harass and to cause emotional distress-- "for the lulz".

      And? Being offended is not the end of the world, is it? Well, it seems to be for some people, but honestly, I think people need to just deal with it.

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    32. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      OK, here's a stretch. Don't go on 4chan. It's pretty much full of adolescent punks and adults masquerading as adolescent punks. That's what really kills me about this whole topic. With some notable exceptions, most internet bullying requires active participation by the bullied. This isn't like the bully who knocks your books over walking down the hall of the Jr. High. You have to go to school, you don't have to go to 4chan, Facebook, etc.

      Contrary to popular belief among 15 year olds, Facebook is not as important as studying, air, food, or outdoor exercise. It is not a de facto requirement of life that can not be done without.

    33. Re:Do Not Want! by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Yes that's right. Because when someone, through their actions causes such distress to an individual that they eventually take their own life, there should be no means of recourse. Because if none of those actions actually touched the person, and so were not covered by common assault, then they're all perfectly legal.

      The problem with people like you, is that you think offense - in the context of a law such as the one under discussion - means to get a bit annoyed. This is manifestly not the case, any more than then term 'menace' means to growl at someone a bit, or 'harass' means to point at someone once in the street. The type of effects that laws such as this are intended to control, are using public communications networks to mount sustained, personal, and extremely damaging attacks on individuals in a way that causes very significant distress.

      I'm curious as to why you'd think that people who indulge in such activities shouldn't face punishment? Simply because it's speech? As though in some way speech weren't (in the words of some slashdot poster years ago) "a real action in the world, with real consequences". If one abuses one's free speech right just to grossly insult and harass other individuals - as very often happens on the internet it seems - then I don't personally have a much a problem with punishing those people.

    34. Re:Do Not Want! by toriver · · Score: 1

      I would respect free speech advocates more if they suggested these "knights" of their cause put their masterpieces on their CV for all potential employers to see. "Made Facebook page mockig dead teenager" is bound to score you a major carreer any day now... After all it shows that you care about free speech.

    35. Re:Do Not Want! by Prune · · Score: 1

      Luckily, I live in Canada where the right to offend people was recently restored by parliament: http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/06/19/five-years-two-tribunals-a-raft-of-secret-hearings-a-supreme-court-challenge-how-the-battle-for-free-speech-was-won/ Good thing my country has politicians who, unlike the parent poster, value freedom of expression over political correctness.

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    36. Re:Do Not Want! by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
      Chirs has said it, but I take issue with your "even to you", especially as you seem to lack a basic understanding of criminal law. Murder is killing with intent to kill, and my entire post was about the significance of intent.

      For overconfident pronouncement on things you know nothing about, and your assumption that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, I appoint you to my foes list. Love K.

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    37. Re:Do Not Want! by joe545 · · Score: 1

      Actually it was Evelyn Beatrice Hall who said that as a summarisation of Voltaire's beliefs.

    38. Re:Do Not Want! by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      I -am- a proponent of free speech, and I even defend our right to say something that offends, or even to be offensive.

      Not really, because in the next sentence you say:

      at the same time, I do think there should be tools in law for people to protect themselves from complete assholes who are just deliberately harassing them.

      These tools already exist just about everywhere in the world and surely also in Australia. The problem is that your post does not distinguish between criminal and civil law. Harassment, libel and insults should not fall under criminal law, they should be a matter of civil law. Anybody who feels insulted can file a law suite and if he wins the case the costs are covered by the other party. That's at least what I consider reasonable. I believe that in many countries these are covered by both law systems, but that's a mistake. Harassing someone ought not be a crime even if it results in suicide. People commit suicide for all kinds of reasons, for example when they are sacked or when they are left by their partner, neither of which is a crime either. Moreover, what one person feels as harassment is a mild annoyance to another person and the standards for what constitutes a crime ought to be more objective. Car analogy: If somebody steals your car, whether it has been stolen or not does not depend on your personal feelings about it.

      That's of course only my personal opinion, perhaps you disagree. But don't tell me that you're a proponent of free speech as long as you think insulting someone should fall under criminal law.

    39. Re:Do Not Want! by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 1

      Sure. How about putting a caricature of the Pope in your weekly column or showing a picture of an Iranian woman in bikini? Surely you must have known that it would offend somebody. The problem is that what you described is harassment, stalking etc. All easily handled by different laws in most civilized countries.

      Creating a law against 'offending someone' in general would be mostly a tool for powerful groups to shut the critics up. Just look at how the libel laws are being used in the UK: McLibel Simon Singh Case and many more...

    40. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sorry, actually it was S. G. Tallentyre / Evelyn Beatrice Hall who said that!

    41. Re:Do Not Want! by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      Better, shorter version:

      A priest, a pedophile and a child molester walks into a bar.

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    42. Re:Do Not Want! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that your post does not distinguish between criminal and civil law. Harassment, libel and insults should not fall under criminal law, they should be a matter of civil law. Anybody who feels insulted can file a law suite and if he wins the case the costs are covered by the other party.

      The issue there is the average civil party doesn't have any method of knowing who is harassing them over the internet.

      Harassing someone ought not be a crime even if it results in suicide. People commit suicide for all kinds of reasons, for example when they are sacked or when they are left by their partner, neither of which is a crime either.

      By that logic assaulting someone on the street ought not be a crime even if you break their ribs. People break their ribs for all kinds of reasons, for example when they are skiing or when they are playing hockey, neither of which is a crime.

      Harassment is taking a deliberate *systematic* course of action with the *intention* to cause harm to others.

      That should be illegal whether the victim commits suicide or not.

      Moreover, what one person feels as harassment is a mild annoyance to another person and the standards for what constitutes a crime ought to be more objective.

      What planet do you live on?
      The particular crime committed in criminal homicide depends on the "state of mind of the defendant" which is by definition unknowable, and its up to the jury to determine what they think the defendants state of mind was.

      Of course, the mental competence of the defendant is also a factor is also a judgment call.

      And that's just for a crime where someone went from being objectively alive to dead.

      Now take a crime like negligence which is loosely a violation of the duty to use 'reasonable care' taking into account the potential harm that they might foreseeably cause others.

      Could that be any more subjective? Do you know what the objective standard for 'reasonable care' is? Why, its what a "reasonable person" would do...

      If your going to object to law based on the fact that it rests on a subjective reasonableness clause, you are several hundred years late to the party.

      Car analogy: If somebody steals your car, whether it has been stolen or not does not depend on your personal feelings about it.

      Counter Car analogy:
      speed relative to conditions
      unsafe lane change
      driving without due car
      driving without consideration
      reverse when unsafe
      inadequate signal on turn
      unsafe u-turn
      fail to leave sufficient space between vehicle for passing
      follow too closely
      pass without clear view
      unsafe pass on left
      fail to pass at safe distance
      fail to complete pass safely
      slow driving

      Are just some of the local moving violations on the books that rely on the subjective judgment of the police to decide that what you did was 'unsafe'.

      But don't tell me that you're a proponent of free speech as long as you think insulting someone should fall under criminal law.

      Except I differentiate between insulting someone and harassing them. If you think they are remotely the same thing then you've never been harassed.

    43. Re:Do Not Want! by joocemann · · Score: 1

      How does "oops" play into the story of people deliberately falsifying information and representation in the public sphere?

      Secondly, how is Fraud not a crime?

      Thirdly, when did you decide to take arguments that have substantial validity and point, gloss over the relevance in reality that supports those points, and then use hyperbolic absolutes (leaving the facts behind) to make your argument seem valid? I only ask this because on Slashdot, people love to play the 'not absolutely' and 'not necessarily' style b.s. arguments in discussions that are inclusive of a variety of important topics, facts, and realities that cannot be cleanly and fully described in the context of time/space/effort of a slashdot post. By this, I mean in your own example, when did you think that you could sum up every single potential reason that the original point may be valid, as being 'oops'. That's absurd.

    44. Re:Do Not Want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not an offence to cause offense in Australia. We are actually much better at that than Americans. The Telecominications Act just made it an offence to use a phone or telecommunications facility to do it. That seemed like a good idea at the time because of the force multiplier effect of the internet etc. The telecommunications network was. Assetintended to be a nation building infrastructure that would make the country stronger.

    45. Re:Do Not Want! by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

      Didn't the US Gov recently WANT people to troll extremist sites because it "promotes" peace?

      Why yes. Yes they did.

  8. crooked cops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want jail for crooked cops. The only repercussion for crooked cops seems to be "internal investigations" or kopbusters. Where are the independent checks and balances?

    1. Re:crooked cops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In South Africa, that would mean there would be no more cops. Probably a good thing, too.

    2. Re:crooked cops by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      I think it's very interesting that some crimes far less damaging to society seem to get punished harsher than those that betray public trust.

  9. Re:Dingo(e)s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, but it's like choosing between potatoes and potatos, tomatos and tomatoes: you pickin' up what I'm layin' down, bro' ?

  10. Sure by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure lets all put them on a boat and ship them to an island.

    1. Re:Sure by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      It's Australia. They're already on an island.

    2. Re:Sure by aicrules · · Score: 1

      woooosh

    3. Re:Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Australia. They're already on an island.

      woosh

    4. Re:Sure by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Wow.... that is the joke. You realize that Australia's purpose for the British was to have an island to ship their criminals off to, right?

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    5. Re:Sure by kwark · · Score: 1

      They are on the B Ark and don't even know it.

    6. Re:Sure by dimko · · Score: 0

      As per earlier post - I suggest UK, they seem to handle this sort of people there.

    7. Re:Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did they stop?
      If I were them, I'd still be shipping my criminals there.
      Or at least to Somalia or some place like that.

    8. Re:Sure by Talderas · · Score: 1

      And before that it was Georgia, IIRC. Then they had a little spat over taxes and lost it.

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    9. Re:Sure by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      And then the Australians found Tasmania.

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    10. Re:Sure by BatGnat · · Score: 1

      The B ark is the most important, just ask us.....

      Plus we get to live....

    11. Re:Sure by BatGnat · · Score: 1

      I still use leaves as currency... or try to. Not many places take leaves as payment theses days....

    12. Re:Sure by Falconhell · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I use ninghys. Never had enough to make up a pugh though. My wallet is enormous.

    13. Re:Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when they went downstairs they found it was already full of Americans.

  11. debt collectors must go to jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm all for it as long as it applies to everyone. Debt collectors have threatened and harassed me, even when I owed nothing.

  12. freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone pointed out in a different story, US is a peculiar nation in the world with an almost absolute freedom of speech (just don't yell "fire" in a theater). Don't get me wrong, I like it and I'm glad that dissenting speech is protected and wish that was viewed elsewhere in the world as well.

    However, we must remember we're not the center of the world. UK doesn't guarantee the same protection (libel for example); Germany - can't talk about Nazis; India; and of course, everyone's favorite beating child: China (self-explanatory).

    Where am I going with this? Something along the lines of don't judge other cultures/ countries. They may be English-speaking, but they're not Americans. If anything, Aussies align themselves more with the Brits than Yanks.

  13. It ain't the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't the United States, there is no free speech ammendment.

  14. *shrug* by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Question: do you think it is easier to defend yourself against hateful onslaught by ill-intentioned individuals or against governments that will take away your life, liberty and property just because you aren't toeing the party line?

    That depends very much on what systems of control and accountability are in place, in either instance.

    E.g., I know that either an anonymous stranger or government agents can invade my home or remove my access to my own property. That said, I also know which is more likely to happen. I also know my chances of having such a wrong (if it is indeed a wrong) being redressed in either instance.

    Bonus, I know which is going to help me right any wrong committed by the other.

    I notice you specify "ill-intentioned individuals" and "governments". Perhaps you think all governments are "ill intentioned"? (Honest question). Personally, I don't.

    1. Re:*shrug* by fche · · Score: 1

      "Perhaps you think all governments are "ill intentioned"? (Honest question). Personally, I don't."

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    2. Re:*shrug* by Millennium · · Score: 1

      I don't think there are very many governments out there that are truly "ill-intentioned." They're the ones you really have to watch out for.

    3. Re:*shrug* by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 2

      Government: Necessary Evil.

      I hear a lot of folks talk about "trusting" or having "faith" in government...and it scares the living daylights out of me. How anyone could possibly believe without a moment's thought (there's my answer) that any institution has their best interests in mind is utterly beyond me.

      The institution, by definition, lives to support itself, and those that align with it. If you do not fall into 100% lock-step with said institution, it no longer serves you. Institutions do not serve individuals, they serves an agenda. That agenda may be "the betterment of society", but we're right back to there not being one single individual that is 100% in lock-step with "society". ...as such, they serve no-one.

      Far more people need to understand this and have the proper disregard for their "good intentions".

    4. Re:*shrug* by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Death by 1000 paper cuts. Sure there are despots and places that make skull monuments of the people they've killed, but the ones who are "just looking out for you" and who "know what's best for you" are the ones that are the most ill-intentioned, even if they don't think so. The well-intentioned try as they might, can't figure out why some people just won't jump on board. I mean, if you listen to the current political babblers on TV here in the US, you'd get the impression that they're downright flabbergasted that Romney isn't polling in the single digits or low teens. (I have one reason why... Obama killed an American Citizen with a drone.... pissing on the right of due process and innocence until proven guilty all in the name of "war on Terrah!") But I digress....

      That's why the US government is dismantling the Bill of Rights piece by piece... not all at once, because "we know what's best." Fuck 'em. First we start by getting the weirdos... the people who post photoshopped images of Michele Obama dry-humping a fencepost. Then we start getting those "evil nasty pirates" who spread IP around like peanut butter. Then we go after those who aren't "tolerant" of others' beliefs and rituals.... then we get a police state that rivals Orwell's vision in size, scope, and efficiency.

      So defending the trolls who are just being crass and crude is simply keeping our freedoms intact.

      --
      It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
    5. Re:*shrug* by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      I mean, if you listen to the current political babblers on TV here in the US, you'd get the impression that they're downright flabbergasted that Romney isn't polling in the single digits or low teens. (I have one reason why... Obama killed an American Citizen with a drone.... pissing on the right of due process and innocence until proven guilty all in the name of "war on Terrah!")

      Two thoughts. First, it does depend on the station. CNN's panels have a mix of Republicans and Democrats. MSNBC and FOX are apologetically biased (FOX going as far as to demonize the rest of the media). Second, why isn't this a campaign topic? Why hasn't it been in a debate or in a Romney speech? The only reason I can think of is that he doesn't disagree with it and would do more or less the same (probably less since the whole wouldn't-have-killed-Bin-Laden thing).

      I'm not being dismissive; I really wish national security (other than the Libya thing, but DHS and TSA - yes we have talked Iran) were part of the conversation because those are Obama's weakest spots. The only reason why I can think they aren't is because Romney doesn't disagree and wouldn't do anything differently.

    6. Re:*shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant "unapoligetically biased". Sorry.

    7. Re:*shrug* by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 2

      Far more people need to understand this and have the proper disregard for their "good intentions".

      What far more people need to understand is that the American (or Australian) government is a democracy. You can point to several ways in which it is not functioning optimally, but they all boil down to the same problem -- a willfully ignorant and/or apathetic electorate. All the gripes about corporate influence, religious agendas etc., while valid criticisms of the status quo, reflect the same basic dichotomy -- either people don't bother to assess their own interests and vote accordingly, or they are and you (or I) belong to a political minority.

      In a democracy, if you dislike or fear your government, you dislike and fear your fellow citizen. If you dislike or fear the very concept of government, you dislike or fear the very concept of human civilization. That's fine, but waving your arms and trying to convince those same citizens that they should fear themselves as much as you fear them, is a tough row to hoe.

    8. Re:*shrug* by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      Sorry, not buying the slippery slope argument. Punishing internet bullies is no more likely to lead to totalitarianism than enforcing speed limits.

    9. Re:*shrug* by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 2

      Wow. Quite the jump you just pulled off there from words like "trust" and "faith", to "fear" and "dislike"... do that often??

      Oh, and in focusing on your athletics you missed the point, though I repeated it at least twice:

      There is not one person on this planet that feels the same way you do about *everything*. Therefore, not even you can support your institution 100%, as your "best interests" will not always equal the best interests of the whole...even in an institution of 2, such as marriage.

      I never said "fear" or dislike". I can speak for myself and do not need you failing miserably at doing it for me. ;-) I said not to trust or put faith in it. Doing so equates to "taking it for granted" and leads to the "suboptimal" conditions you have so eloquently listed.

      I don't "gush" about government, and you won't see me begging it to "save us!"...but don't take that to mean that I do not believe it has it's place, as you seem to have done. It has it's place. It just needs constant reminders (and constant limitations) *keeping* it in it's place. As I said in the beginning: it is a necessary evil. One that allows for us to be able to co-exist in a civil manner.

    10. Re:*shrug* by Caspian · · Score: 0

      [D]efending the trolls who are just being crass and crude is simply keeping our freedoms intact.

      Okay, I'm gonna call bullshit here.

      Trolling is deliberate cruelty and harassment. It shouldn't be legal. It's an ABUSE of freedom and should be curtailed.

      --
      With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
    11. Re:*shrug* by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      What far more people need to understand is that the American (or Australian) government is a democracy.

      No, the American government is NOT a democracy, and was never meant to be one.

    12. Re:*shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends very much on what systems of control and accountability are in place, in either instance.

      E.g., I know that either an anonymous stranger or government agents can invade my home or remove my access to my own property. That said, I also know which is more likely to happen. I also know my chances of having such a wrong (if it is indeed a wrong) being redressed in either instance.

      Bonus, I know which is going to help me right any wrong committed by the other.

      I notice you specify "ill-intentioned individuals" and "governments". Perhaps you think all governments are "ill intentioned"? (Honest question). Personally, I don't.

      your points eat themselves alive. an anonymous stranger cannot remove access to your own property but the government can. however, i'll play your game and say that an anonymous stranger can do any nasty thing to you that the government can do. you are right that the government will likely help you redress the offenses committed against you by the anonymous stranger. however, no one can help you against a tyrannical government in this modern age of technology. yeah, you can appeal, but the chances of government punishing itself for misconduct are not likely.

    13. Re:*shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stay tuned. The next debate is specifically going to be on foreign policy.

    14. Re:*shrug* by fche · · Score: 2

      "Trolling is deliberate cruelty and harassment."

      That sounds like a circular definition, and excludes normal "trolls" who are neither cruel or harassers, like our -1 friends here on /.

      "It's an ABUSE of freedom and should be curtailed."

      Do you see process and slippery-slope risks, if freedoms are taken away after someone simply _declares_ them "abused"?

    15. Re:*shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are looking out for us, and think you know what's best for us.

      You can't figure out why some of us won't jump on board.

      But your reason why Obama isn't enjoying the support you think others believe he should? Try again. You'll find the real story is many of them are utterly mistaken about what Obama has done, and drone strikes are about 1000 steps down.

    16. Re:*shrug* by fche · · Score: 1

      (You need a refresher on what "democracy" actually means, and how it relates to constitutional republics, such as the USA.)

    17. Re:*shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the slippery slope. "Trolling" is merely the use of words. Words only have meaning when interpreted by another. So who gets to interpret what is an "abuse of freedom"? Limits on free speech should be very specific and very limited. The classic yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater comes to mind.

      Offensive speech is the only speech that needs to be defended. Nobody cares about inoffensive speech.

    18. Re:*shrug* by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 1

      Speech. It's not like driving. You go 66 in a 45, that's a ticket. How do you quantify an internet "bully"? Where do you draw the line?

      --
      It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
    19. Re:*shrug* by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2

      many of them are utterly mistaken about what Obama has done, and drone strikes are about 1000 steps down.

      Yes, because it wasn't their son... Trust me, NO president should have that kind of power. I don't care if it's Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Obama. That is a breach of his office and should be punishable by trial and prison time. You also missed the entire point... but that's okay, the astroturfing obamites are everywhere these days. And for the record, I hate Romney just as much, because he's just a white Obama. Nothing will change under either's watch, but one thing is for certain... it has gotten WORSE under Obama. If you can't see that, then you should really stop drinking the kool-aid.

      --
      It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
    20. Re:*shrug* by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -C.S.L.

    21. Re:*shrug* by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ABUSE of freedom and should be curtailed.

      They said the same thing about Playboy. They said the same thing about Gays. They said the same thing about violent films. (and still do). They said the same thing about cartoons of Mohammed. So, who's calling bullshit again? You're no better than the rest of the censors and "offended" if you can say with a straight face that curtailing freedom of speech because you think it's an "abuse" of freedom is a-ok and encouraged. That's the same tired argument I've heard for decades. It flies in the face of reason and what the hell freedom actually means.

      The joy of the internet is you can turn it off. You can change the channel. You aren't forced to watch or read it. Freedom's a great thing, but you miss the entire boat. so I'm going to call bullshit here too, because the basic tenet of freedom of speech is that we support speech we despise. Supporting free speech when you agree with someone isn't freedom. You may not like it. Hell, I think it's distasteful... but I am not about to tell someone they can't do it because it is offensive or blasphemous. Because once you make the rules, those who you trample will come to power one day and use those rules on you.

      I realize most of Europe and Australia don't have speech protections codified like we do in the US. That's a shame, because enlightenment means not burning down buildings when someone offends you. Europe claims to be more enlightened than the US when it comes to accepting things, but it seems the only thing they are "ahead" of the US on is boobs on TV (I give that a BIG thumbs up, btw) and sexual freedom (another thumb up! heh.) They clearly are battling puritanical nonsensical bullshit when it comes to offensive speech.

      --
      It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
    22. Re:*shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Question: do you think it is easier to defend yourself against hateful onslaught by ill-intentioned individuals or against governments that will take away your life, liberty and property just because you aren't toeing the party line?

      That depends very much on what systems of control and accountability are in place, in either instance.

      E.g., I know that either an anonymous stranger or government agents can invade my home or remove my access to my own property. That said, I also know which is more likely to happen. I also know my chances of having such a wrong (if it is indeed a wrong) being redressed in either instance.

      Bonus, I know which is going to help me right any wrong committed by the other.

      I notice you specify "ill-intentioned individuals" and "governments". Perhaps you think all governments are "ill intentioned"? (Honest question). Personally, I don't.

      The purpose of govt is not to make your world safe, correct, moral, nor better.
      The purpose of govt is to be definite last line of action so we don't all kill each other because of misinterpreted intentions or actions.

      That is all govt is about.

      The rest involves using one's brain, adapting to adversity, helping your neighbor, and communicating with others.

      People have simply fetishized government into something that can be called on a whim. They have intellectualized morality beyond consideration of beginning or end.

      The mere occurence of wrong doing is not cause for invocation of government.
      And the invocation of government because of wrong doing is not an achievement, nor a laudable endeavor.

      You have imagined fantasies about wrong doing, dealing with wrong doing, you hallucinate about the imperatives of government, and you have your ego so god damn wrapped up in the concept of government that your capacity for rational judgment is nil.

      Hell. Fucking. No.

      Good day, sir.

    23. Re:*shrug* by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      I have to say, this is a good effort at trolling.

      --
      who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
    24. Re:*shrug* by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      I find your lack of vision disturbing.

    25. Re:*shrug* by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      "What far more people need to understand is that the American (or Australian) government is a democracy."
      WRONG. Its a Republic.
      If the first statement in your post is outright wrong, the rest of your post, which is based off of your first statement is meaningless.
      Read a book.

    26. Re:*shrug* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Quit your whingeing. You can turn it off," doesn't capture the experience of someone being persistently harassed. Korea's draconian law was motivated by an actress who killed herself after the internet erupted from all sides in mockery of her botched plastic surgery. She's an actress so she can't turn it off, and the magic of this kind of bully is their ability to turn your friends against you by being "funny."

      That said, physically pursuing and "locking up" the harasser doesn't really get what's going on either. The Korean law didn't work, and we don't hold a person criminally responsible for every bad thing that would never have happened if they hadn't been born, and the consequence isn't direct because this kind of thing happens more easily in a culture that goes and gets popcorn to watch one person emotionally demolishing another when they ought to regard it as sick and disgusting.

    27. Re:*shrug* by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There are some problems with your reply.

      First, turning the internet off is not solving the problem. A great many people use it for various professional, social, and entertainment purposes. Getting off the net would cause a certain amount of hardship for these people, quite possibly including loss of income.

      Second, it doesn't necessarily matter if the victim is not paying attention, since others may. If I lie about you, and a prospective employer reads the lie, you may miss out on a good job. The hiring company is practicing good business by skipping over the possibly dodgy candidate for another of similar qualifications - after all, the employer wants a good hire, and the difference between good and absolutely best may be too small to justify digging around to verify complaints. Life isn't fair. A friend or family member may also read the lie, and may also react to it.

      Third, the Internet has expanded the ability to harass considerably. To harass me in person requires being there in person, and other people will notice and likely exclude the jerk. It facilitates deception. I can't pass at all convincingly as a teenage girl in real life, but I can on Facebook, and present my thoughts in the guise of a peer rather than a weird old guy. Like some other things (like public observation), the Internet has made a difference in kind, not just degree.

      Fourth, words have significance, and therefore power. If you insult me, I'll consider it as reflecting on you. It took me decades of adult life to learn to do this. Some people, such as adolescents, are particularly vulnerable. "Sticks and stones" is a nice fiction, and a good ideal, but it doesn't work for a large number of people. In setting rules, we need to consider the people we've got, not a society of wise old men and women.

      While I am strongly committed to freedom of speech, the situation is not nearly as clear-cut as you present it.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  15. (OT) Enough with the logos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who thought it was a good idea to have an animated "pong" logo? I want to read stories and comments, not be distracted by a ball bouncing around...

  16. Mrs. McClean by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

    Mrs. McLean is super mean, her IQ is but two
    Her husband married this hog
    Cause' she was surrounded by fog
    And now they live in a zoo


    Sue me.

  17. Send a clear message - Vote 'No' on their poll by HellYeahAutomaton · · Score: 1

    "Poll: Should the creators of online hate pages be prosecuted?"

    No. People can spew whatever hate they want, and if you don't wish to view it, go to another web page.
    Too simple for a cop to understand, no?

  18. "to menace, harass or cause offense..." by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Terrible law. Once you start making it illegal to "cause offense" to anybody, you have effectively shut down any pretense to freedom of speech.

    In the U.S., "offensive" speech is particularly protected by our 1st Amendment, according to the Supreme Court, for the simple reason that non-offensive speech does not need protection.

    1. Re:"to menace, harass or cause offense..." by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Australia doesn't seem to care for Freedom of Speech, so I doubt that is a really big issue to them.

      --
      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
  19. You said "toeing", not "towing" by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    A grateful world sends its thanks that there is one person left who knows the difference and uses the correct phrasing, the one that actually makes sense.

    1. Re:You said "toeing", not "towing" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was probably a typo. The letters are right next to each other. I'm sure he'll be more careful in future.

  20. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one gives a #%$ what Law Enforcement in OTHER English speaking countries think.
    Really. It'd bad enough with the gestapo wave by our own cops.

    Besides, we're the only English speaking country who still has a working Freedom of Speech.
    The cops here will not put me in jail for denying the Holocaust, calling Muslims or Jew pathetic worm bait,
    or in the above similar case making fun of Amanda Todd online (I was moved by her video...).

    However, when our own cops start charging newspaper editors for "Retaliation" like some US cities do
    to individuals for posting on social media mocking said cops, then ITS ON!!!

    Crazy Horse

  21. Disparaging the boot is a bootable offense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disparaging the boot is a bootable offense!

  22. Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Who says the Saudis have a monopoly on madness?

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  23. RIP Free speech by koan · · Score: 1

    Although we may not like what people say I find the whole "prosecute them" mentality to be frightening, it starts like this and pretty we are given a little book of acceptable terms to use.

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  24. If you disagree with people today some call hate by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    Just look at US politics today. If you have a differing opinion than someone else today the other side will accuse you of hate. Once you go down the road of punishing haters with jail, suddenly you're on the road to jailing you political opponents for disagreeing with you. Congrats son, you're on the road to Tyranny.

  25. Thereoughtabe by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

    I find everything Susan McLean writes offensive.

    If only there were someplace I could complain about her...

  26. TATIS supports Susan McLean! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an official spokesperson for a TATIS (Trolls Against Trolling International Society) I would like to voice my support of Susan McLean's plan! Trolling is a horrible act of public violation, not unlike rape or genocide, that maliciously offends hard-working honest folk that just want to mind their own business! Trolls pouring into living rooms of everyday citizens hiding behind anonymity of the internet is a real danger, and can happen to anyone - you, your neighbor, YOUR CHILDREN!

  27. Start with real life trolls by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Won't have space in the jail to put the internet ones, just with politics and preachers they would be full in no time

  28. Yes well by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    I believe that former Australian cop is trolling us, so he would be first in line for prison!

    --
    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  29. Off with their heads by houghi · · Score: 1

    The last time I read about this, the person was not yelling "Put them in jail." but rather "Off with their heads!"

    --
    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  30. Welcome to SlashBLOG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .org

  31. Fuck Mohammed Fuck Emo Bitches and Fuck You by gelfling · · Score: 1

    I live to see you witness the sexual murder of your entire family before someone tears your eyes out with duct tape. Legislate that, cunt.

  32. lock him up by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    Under section 474.17 of the Commonwealth Crimes Act, it is an offense to use 'a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offense,' punishable by three years in jail."

    I'm very offended that he would suggest this. In fact I find it menacing and feel harassed. Lock him up!

    --
    I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
  33. Re:Dingo(e)s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bro? Just how many broes you got?

  34. Arse about tit by horza · · Score: 1

    In related news, the UK government chastened by the bad publicity following the needless prosecution of people exercising their free speech or even making jokes on Twitter, stated "There have been many cases in Australia where these people have not been hunted down and charged and jailed. We need to do that in UK".

    The government has launched a three year inquiry into whether the use of common sense could be a viable tool to be used by the prosecution services in deciding whether to jail people for telling bad taste jokes on social media, diverting funds from less important crimes like rape and murder.

    Phillip.

    1. Re:Arse about tit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When did the UK develop common sense?

      I must have missed that...

  35. I'm not completely against this kind of law by Hazelfield · · Score: 1

    While I'm definitely against censorship and a big supporter of freedom of speech, I still think it's reasonable to set certain limits to it. Long before the Internet there were several laws that can be seen as limiting free speech:

    - Defamation. If you maliciously spread false rumours about someone, that constitutes a crime in many jurisdictions.
    - Perjury. You're not allowed to lie under oath.
    - Causing danger to others (not sure about the English term for this). It might be illigal to shout "fire" in a theatre, to take a classic example.

    To uphold free speech we must protect it from abuse. As long as the wording of the law is clear and precise and proper trials are held, I think laws like these are acceptable. Online bullying and harassing are big problems today, so you need to see both sides of the coin. If you're making life a living hell for someone and constantly send them harassing text messages or slander them on Facebook, you can't expect to hide behind free speech.

    Note that I still strongly disagree with any kind of law that tries to limit free speech that's being "offending". That's bad for two reasons: 1) What's offending is different to different people and 2) it can be used all too easily to silence inconvenient voices.

    1. Re:I'm not completely against this kind of law by valentinas · · Score: 1

      Hitchens about shouting "fire" in a crowded theater (and about freedom of speech): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM
      The bit about fire is just a joke, but later on he talks about freedom to listen as opposed to freedom of speech, which is quite interesting.

  36. Re:Dingo(e)s by Thud457 · · Score: 0

    You say Dingos, and I say "AAAAHAHHG WILD DOGS ARE EATING OFF MY FACE!!!"


    who's really going to believe an American dictionary on the proper plural form of an Austrailailailain word?!

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  37. Someone wants something? by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    > Former Australian Cop Wants Jail For Internet Trolls

    Why is this news? I know a woman who thinks everyone should get free gummy bears. Her opinion isn't important either.

    --

    Often wrong but never in doubt.
    I am Jack9.
    Everyone knows me.
    1. Re:Someone wants something? by lostfayth · · Score: 1

      Is this woman running for public office? She has my vote, if so!

    2. Re:Someone wants something? by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      The heading should be "Former Australian cop trying to drum up more business for her new company."

  38. No Right To Not Be Offended by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    Are some of these sites people set up offensive? Sure.
    Are some of the people who set up these sites horrible people? Probably
    Should they be locked away for making a website? In most cases*, no.

    * If the person is advocating violence then that should be an offense. You have the right to say "People in Group X are stupid." You don't have the right to say "Let's round up everyone in Group X and put bullets through their brains." In addition, some of the trolling goes beyond offensive comments and lands into scary. If you're tracking people down and posting Google Earth views of their houses, or publishing information about what school their kids go to, you've crossed the line and there should be some stalking/harassment penalties invoked. This would be above and beyond setting up a "So-And-So Is A Horrible Person" website.

    --
    My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
  39. Wanting by Pokey.Clyde · · Score: 1

    He can want in one hand and shit in the other, and see which fills up first.

  40. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This law has been on the books for many years. The only thing this officer is doing is suggesting that it should be applied for harassment over the internet. When you have cyber bullying causing kids to kill themselves something like this would be immensely helpful. We cannot simply assume that a law such as this would be used for censorship but then that seems to be the typical knee jerk slashdot reaction, this law has not been used to censor anyone so you can't just assume that it will after many years since it has received a little media attention.

  41. "...it is an offense to ... cause offense..." by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Conveniently vague, isn't it? I'm sure it would never be abused, though.

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    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  42. Re:signs by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Do the signs have rounded corners? Apple might become upset.

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  43. While we're at it by skegg · · Score: 1

    Could we also actually PUNISH police when they do the wrong thing? Such as beating or even killing citizens.

    Instead, we conduct investigations, the outcomes of which we already know (the officers are exonerated, more training and investment is proposed).

    Twice this year I've seen senior police front the media and express their full confidence and support of officers accused of excessive force ... before an investigation, and before they've seen any footage of the event.

    I'm all for paying police awesome salaries. I'm all for police having rights beyond what ordinary citizens have (e.g. stopping cars and breath-testing the driver). I believe police deserve respect for doing a dirty and, often dangerous and thankless job. But when they clearly cross the line -- *clearly* cross the line -- we do need to mete out punishment. And I don't mean suspensions on full pay.

  44. not according to wikipedia by Chirs · · Score: 1

    "Unlawful killings without malice or intent are considered manslaughter."

  45. Specially if its full of oil on fire... by crovira · · Score: 1

    Seriously...

    The dweeb's trying to legislate humor.

    Most of it is very human and always of dubious taste.

    EG: After Columbia shuttle fateful meeting with a O-Ring weakness, what the FIRST THING I saw on the web? What does NASA stand for? "Need Another Seven Astronauts."

    This is another futile attempt to regulate people reactions. (Ask the Taliban how their campaign to stop girls from getting an education's going...)

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    MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
    1. Re:Specially if its full of oil on fire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which was remarkable, given that was 1986, so it was probably just a BBS, right?

    2. Re:Specially if its full of oil on fire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EG: After Columbia shuttle fateful meeting with a O-Ring weakness, what the FIRST THING I saw on the web? What does NASA stand for? "Need Another Seven Astronauts."

      You have your shuttle accidents mixed up. Challenger was destroyed during takeoff due to an failed O-ring on one of it's booster rockets. Columbia was destroyed on landing due to a foam strike from the tank on takeoff.

    3. Re:Specially if its full of oil on fire... by FairAndHateful · · Score: 1

      What does NASA stand for? "Need Another Seven Astronauts."

      I had no access to a web or a BBS at the time, but that just caused a flood of ALL of the Challenger jokes that I knew to come flooding back. There were many of them, and virtually all of them were tasteless Christa McAuliffe jokes. I don't really think that could have possibly fallen under bullying at the time, but it seems that some lawmakers want to outlaw tasteless jokes, and with the remarkably broad language in the law as described, they may be able to try.

  46. They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This place is LOADED with trolls - which is FINE by me, except the wussbag weasels that troll here can hide by ac posts (when they have regular "registered 'luser'" accounts)... I'd LOVE to handle it myself, provided you could find out WHO downmodded you (which, of course, takes a registered 'luser' account).

    * As far as I am concerned? That's all this site needs.... I can do the rest.

    (However, THAT will never happen - it probably comes from those that created this place, being wussbag weasels themselves, lol! You know the kind: You banged their women on them, & they just "sat there" like the "not men" they are... lol!)

    Hope this pisses some of you off... it's INTENDED to!

    APK

    P.S.=> Worst part is, the shitbrains call ME a troll - well, show me ONCE where I 'started up' with someone. Show me ONCE where I wasn't just correcting mistakes or misconceptions of a poster (usually some *NIX head spouting utter bullshit).

    However, IF I were a troll?

    Then, the idiots around here are "little piggies" I just consume & laugh about, ala the scene from the film "TROLLHUNTER" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEo7H9tqSM

    (Funnier than hell imo) @ position # 1:21 on the YouTube player control there in that link (funnier than hell)...

    ... apk

    1. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is little more ironic than posting anonymously and complaining about people posting anonymously. How do we know its the real APK? (Well apart from the insane incoherent ranting, total lack of grammar and disconnect from reality, but even that could be imitated).

      If it is the real APK, your idea of handling it will be the usual incoherent link fest followed by irrational claims of how he always wins on the internet!

      Prepares popcorn and awaits usual loading of shotgun full of words and firing at Slashdot.

      (:

      I'll be here all day!

    2. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Falconhell · · Score: 0

      LMAO, you to ask to be shown where you started something when you deliberately don't log in and leave a history to check!
      not hypocritcal oh no! (:

    3. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooops, forgot the random bold words as well!

      (:

    4. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3192177&cid=41688101

    5. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Falconhell · · Score: 0

      Grammatically disastrous rant-check.

      5 year old skill in formatting-check.

      Excessive use of bolding-Check.

      bizzare claims of winning -check.

      Sounds like it might actually be APK. Or a bored 10 year old.

      Puts on more popcorn.

    6. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Falconhell · · Score: 0

      Heh, forgot random use of CAPITALISATION.

      adasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasd

    7. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you http://www.blogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/troll.jpg

    8. Re:They'd have a FIELD DAY in here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you http://www.blogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/troll.jpg

  47. Why can't emotional people take the high ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People just need to develop a thick enough skin to ignore those who lose interest once they're ignored. All it takes is the realization that you don't have to let your feelings be hurt by words.

    But I suppose it's easier to just start an arms race where self-righteous assholes jail loudmouthed assholes, and we'll all end up in a nice, big jail full of assholes.

  48. Societies are getting ridiculous by Vince6791 · · Score: 2

    How the hell do you get bullied on the internet? seriously. How borderline retarded do you have to be to get bullied on the freaking internet? This isn't something that's face to face. Shit! Just delete your facebook messages, emails, etc... For crying out loud don't use your real fucking name on the internet, retards. I read somewhere where a 14 year old teen boy stripped on the web cam because some dude somehow forced him through the chat to do so, how the hell does this happen? Are humans really becoming this fucking stupid, at 14 I was not this fucking stupid. There is something wrong with this decade where people have become retarded pansies killing themselves because someone on the internet hurt their feelings, sheesh. Now these anti-bullying dickheads all around the world are pushing for their governments to stifle speech. Obama was trying to blame that muhammad film on the Libya attacks and I wonder why. Free speech and privacy has been under attack in the western world for the past decade, fucking communist shit heads.

  49. No need to distinguish between online and offline by Supercooldude · · Score: 1

    Comments made online should be treated the same way as comments made face to face. Would saying something hateful to someone IRL result in jail time? In most cases no, at least not in the US. The Westboro Baptist Church's picketing of dead American soldiers comes to mind. I don't think there's anything a troll can say online that matches that. But most other countries don't put the same importance on freedom of speech. How do we address hateful comments made online by, say, an American to a Brit?

  50. Fair go. by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    It's funny because it's true. If all laws were enforced with the same zeal as murder, civilization would end. The real mission of the police is to keep the peace, the courts enforce the law, the court has the right to take down a page if it thinks the page may prejudice the case. The Aussie cops are pretty blunt about these demands, they have stated on numerous occasions in all states, they are not interested in chasing internet trolls. They will however record your complaint in case the situation devolves into a real life conflict. Their standard advise is to ignore them and they will go away.

    Besides, if the cops did start chasing seriously offensive trolls, surely they would have to start by arresting Andrew Bolt and tazering Alan Jones for refusing to drop his microphone, with the trolls communications in disarray they could send the swat team into the trolls fortress (AKA - Parliament).

    Seriously though, I think to a large extent Aussies, (even those with power over you), believe in a single overriding, (and suitably vague), right we refer to as a "Fair go" (AKA "fair suck of the sav"), just like "free speech" it has to be both given and received by the majority for it to work as advertised. Even in Parliament this week our PM was given a "Fair go" when she defended her dignity, the dignity of the position she holds, and the right of the Speaker of the House to a fair trial. Abbot and the Libs to their credit "copped it fair" by remaining silent, the speaker did the honorable thing and stepped down voluntarily. Of course, after that subtle display of civilization was over, everyone immediately went back to what apes do naturally - throwing turds.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  51. THINK OF THE CHILDREN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Won't someone *please* think of the children!!

  52. In summary by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

    A few things strike me about this article:

    1. Does 474.17 of the Commonwealth Crimes Act _really_ try to ban "causing offence?" That offends me!

    2. The media seems to be a bit mixed up about the differences between trolling, bullying, and harassment. trolling is all about getting a reaction, not even necessarily a negative one. A troll would go to an Apple forum and say "I want to buy a Galaxy Tab" and then enjoy the reactions of the forum users saying that it's a bad idea. A troll would go to Slashdot and say something about Windows ME being the best OS ever. This is pretty different from targeting an individual or a family for harassment, and it's certainly not hate speech. On a Venn diagram, there may be a slight overlap between trolling, harassment, and bullying, but they're typically very separate things.

    3. Some former cop has left the police and now has a "cyber-safety consultancy." Is it any surprise that she wants to spread FUD in order to grow her business? This is like me selling tiger insurance and and then spreading rumours about runaway tigers. It's a damn shame someone gave this obvious shill any airtime.

  53. let's just lock up everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why oh why do we think that locking people up for being arseholes is a good thing? It costs a lot of money and doesn't solve the problem.

  54. Re:Dingo(e)s by BatGnat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I thought I would check the dictionary out:

    Definition of GAOL;chiefly British variant of jail, jailer

    Wouldn't 'jail' technically be a variant of 'gaol', not the other way around?

  55. No by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    We don't need a better definition, as the entire premise of restricting ones speech like this is ludicrous.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:No by toriver · · Score: 1

      It's no more restriction of speech than laws against rape are a restriction of sexual freedom. Unless you are a free speech absolutist with no compassion who ignores that speech can have consequences.

    2. Re:No by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      Yeah you tell a rape victim that the next time someone tries to Rape her to just log out.
      You sir are either a troll or an asshole or an idiot. I am betting on all three.

    3. Re:No by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 2

      After reading your post I went out to do the dishes and this gave me time to think.
      YOU SIR ARE AN ASSHOLE.
      You are using rape victims (without their permission I might add) as a symbol to champion your cause against free speech.
      That is almost the very definition of ASSHOLE.
      Hey I called you an ASSHOLE. Does that make me as bad as a rapist?
      First off the right to say what you want is a RIGHT. I have every right to say what I want about anything. I don't have the right to force you to listen to it ot to agree with it. That would violate your right to freedom of speech.
      Rape is not about the right to fuck whomever you choose. Rape is not about sex in the first place. Its about control and force and violence.
      And yes speech can have consequences. But guess what, there are already laws covering those. And they are VERY limited so as not to trample on ones RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH.
      Saying what you said about this being equivalent to rape is not only wrong, its stupid. It's cruel to victims of real rape. And it's an underhanded play to get people to agree with you.
      Kind of like the ASSHOLES in Canada who claimed if you were not with them in their quest to limit rights online then you were for child-porn.
      FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ONE ASSHOLE.

    4. Re:No by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

      Proud free speech absolutist here. Sticks and stones can break my bones but if words can hurt me then I SHOULD be hurt. What is left will be better for it.

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    5. Re:No by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      If you want to compare free speech to rape, you have serious issues and there is no need to even discuss this with you.

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    6. Re:No by toriver · · Score: 1

      Well, leaving a discussion is also a way of excercising rights I guess. There are sex crimes and there are hate speech crimes, why not accept the latter as well as the former? People have taken their lives as consequences of both.

    7. Re:No by toriver · · Score: 1

      I am not, I am using a simile: that you have this reaction means you have failed to understand what I wrote, or your emotions override your ability to debate. Why the FUCK is it OK for someone to abuse speech to the point where someone for instance kills themselves over it? There are sex crimes, and there are hate speech crimes. Accept that the latter exist, even though you have never been subjected to them. Heck, you need not go furer back than the 1970s to find rape cases where the victim was practically treated as the "alluring" guilty party, thankfully we have moved away from such absurd defenses of the man's self-appionted "right to fuck"...

    8. Re:No by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Hate speech isnt a crime.

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  56. An Aussie cop trying to cach a troll by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Is like a silk shirt on a pig.

  57. I see you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.blogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/troll.jpg

  58. Falconhell, why'd you run from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I asked if you were ever on topic even ONCE where I posted first & you began trolling me! The result?

    Well, lmao - You ran from answering -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36418054 since you were NEVER on topic once there...

    * Now, for the "coup de grace" - being off topic is a CLASSIC troll indicator... & YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER in that link above, You TROLL!

    APK

    P.S.=> I must thank you this time though - for being stupid enough to try "trolling me" yet again... lol, since your own words & one of the VERY DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF TROLLS, is being off-topic...

    ... apk

    1. Re:Falconhell, why'd you run from this? by Falconhell · · Score: 0

      Thanks for responding in the usual predictable manner, its such fun watching you stamp your little feet and spend your time running round digging up irrelevant posts then claiming victory, you realise I enjoy watching you flail around like a beached whale now and again dont you?

      LMAO

      You're so funny.

      Place next incoherent rant below.

    2. Re:Falconhell, why'd you run from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you http://www.blogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/troll.jpg

  59. Any excuse for an Australian story on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My immediate and extended family consists largely of cops or retired cops.

    Every single one of them - current and former cops - believe somebody should be locked away for something, and all of them have some pet "Oughta be a law!" peeve, including such "crimes" as trolling, and mockery, and "disrespect".

    And I guarantee you that if you ask any cop, or anybody who knows a cop, they will tell you the exact same thing.

    So tell me again why this "story" submission merits acceptance by Slashdot's so-called editors?

    Oh right: the ex-cop in this "story" is Australian, and we all know how much Slashdot "editors" seem to love that country, these days.

  60. Hahahaha... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject-line: LMAO!

    * I haven't laughed that hard in a long time...

    APK

    P.S.=> Thanks for the laughs - succinctly put, & very apt of you...

    ... apk

  61. Fuck that Australian cocksucker. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australia is close behind the UK in the ugly combination of nanny state
    bullshit and police state idiocy.

    Fuck this ex cop, he is an idiot.

  62. If anything I do could be a crime... by istartedi · · Score: 1

    If anything I do could be a crime, then I might as well do anything.

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  63. Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is an offense to use 'a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offense,'

    That sound like distribution of modern art.

  64. fuck you pig. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck you pig.

  65. Different meaning of "troll" by afgam28 · · Score: 1

    The word "troll", as used by the media and politicians, seems to have a slightly different meaning from the way it has traditionally been used. It's kind of like how the word "hacker" changed from "someone who hacks code" to "someone who breaks into computer systems".

    To me, a troll is a person who tries to start trivial arguments on message boards. The goal is to say something that is obviously silly to most, but still be subtle enough that some people "bite". An example would be talking about "blinker fluid" on a car forum - car guys obviously know that you don't need to add any fluid to your indicator lights, but n00bs often get sucked it.

    But then there's the type of "troll" that makes the news. Examples are the losers who post hateful or disgusting images on Facebook memorial pages for the recently deceased. Or the guy who took a topless pic of Amanda Todd and tracked her down every time she tried to change schools to get away from it. It's not really "trolling"; it's stalking/bullying/harassment.

    It's a shame that the media is conflating trolling and harassment. Trolling is and should be legal, and harassment should and does carry jail time. It doesn't matter whether it's online or in real life.

  66. Not About Free Speech by pt73 · · Score: 1
    Firstly, this is Australia, not the USA. There are no free speech protections and that isn't necessarily wrong - just different.

    While I'd defend someone's general right to free speech - as most Australians would - I won't defend it for people expressing things - especially hateful things - anonymously. If you don't have the guts to put your name to what you say and to cop the free speech back, then you don't deserve the right to speak in the first place.

    So to the law in question. It was originally written with telephones in mind. It's purpose is to place a big stick over behaviours that are hard to track. The ex who rings their former partner in the middle of the night from a payphone every night for a month, etc.

    In the case in point, a women was raped and murdered - a very rare thing in Australia. The mocking of this person no doubt by anonymous hard to track people is not free speech. When there is no face behind the words, it is cowardice wanting to provoke without taking the heat. If a society wants to seek them out and punish those kinds of people, I think they ought to be able to.

    1. Re:Not About Free Speech by dyfortune · · Score: 1

      In the late 1990s the High Court of Australia found that there was an implied right of free speech in relation to political or economic matters. So I would say we have freedom of speech where it really matters.

    2. Re:Not About Free Speech by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      If you don't have the guts to put your name to what you say and to cop the free speech back, then you don't deserve the right to speak in the first place.

      Why? If you don't have the guts to shoot yourself in the foot, then you don't deserve to have any rights. There, I arbitrary decided that not shooting yourself in the foot (unnecessarily putting yourself at risk/harming yourself) means you're a coward and that you don't deserve any rights.

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      Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
  67. What about some common sense? by maghuys · · Score: 1

    Clearly, saying that you don't like person X and person X can do Y to themselves is quite different to laughing at dead person D and glorifying act C that was done to person D to indeed make person D dead. It seems to me that censorship is seen as an ultimate evil in the internet community and therefore we should throw the baby out with the bathwater, and not try to find a solution where unacceptable behaviour is handled in an appropriate manner. If a person said things like this in on another platform, he or she will face consequences, but due to the anonymous nature of the internet, most of these consequences are removed. This in my opinion needs to be rectified. To prove my point, a high percentage of people in the slashdot community will disagree with me, and indeed even go so far as to flame me and dislike me based on my opinion, and by posting this comment anonymously, no one will be able to 'prosecute' me in the community, even though prosecution will consist of remembering my name and disregarding my future comments, However, I will not do so, because one must be prepared to face the consequences. Which the cowardly person who created the site initially will not have to do. So I'll end this post with a question, Why so little outcry about the coward who spewed his crap on the internet? Why is do we glorify the lawless and chastise the lawful?

  68. No one is forcing you to read a webpage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They passed laws like that years ago to stop people from making harassing phone calls, but a face book page doesn't harass you unless you choose to go to it and read it. This is like saying that Fox News is harassing me and causing me distress, or that someone should be prosecuted for transmitting offensive pr0n over the television because I signed up for it and watched it. Change the channel, and better yet, don't sign up for face book and put yourself out there for everyone to harass you.

    Most people don't appreciate the seriousness of putting yourself out there on the internet. I've had people recognize me in person from the internet and it's very creepy. I've also recognized people and when I mentioned it to them they banned me and said stop stalking them. This was a person that advertized where they live and work on the internet. I wasn't stalking them, I just happen to live near the store they work at told them I mentioned that I recognized them from the internet. The guy is really strange, by the way, but it's not stalking when you're putting precise details and locations about yourself all over the internet for everyone to read. it is creepy to have people recognize you in real life, but that's your fault.

  69. That cop is an asshole, fuck him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But seriously, don't fuck him. He shouldn't be getting action.

  70. O Australia the land of the free....but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have free speech but the Government can punish you for what you say.

  71. Sticks and Stones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't handle the trolls, then stay off the internet. Or at the very least, stay off the social network sites.

  72. That Law Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To punish or limit a person in any way just because they make offensive remarks is not a slippery slope. Ir is a sheer cliff on Mount Everest. People can be offended by almost anything. Mention Christ and an atheist might be highly offended. Mention atheism and some Christians would froth at the mouth. To live in freedom requires that one be willing to be shocked, startled,disgruntled, and even humiliated. And you even have to be willing to have your wife and kids offended as well. Without agreement on that the streets would be in riot and a war like condition.
                              Besides offending some people is just so much fun.

  73. Offense is too subjective to legislate by neurosine · · Score: 1

    Saying 'Let's fuck.' could be complimentary and appropriate to one person in one instance, and offensive or even menacing in another. You shouldn't, for instance, use this phrase in most job interviews. If you're the type of person who has to learn this the hard way, so be it. We must hold onto these diminishing rights, stripped away by nanny state laws. Trolls are a symptom of much larger issues. They don't exist because of the internet. It is the site moderator who should decide how to deal with them, and isn't in the pervue of any government. It is a terrible mistake to allow any government to dictate taste.

  74. Re:Dingo(e)s by Inda · · Score: 1

    I use the spelling gaol. I've been trolled(?) for using it on here. It's not a common spelling these days, but when I was reading books written from 1945 onwards, gaol was the only spelling used.

    I'm English. No fucker outside of this country can question my use of the Queen's English, even though she's a miserable witch.

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    This post contains benzene, nitrosamines, formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide.
  75. HEY you created a tv show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lololol

  76. Who is Susan McLean? by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

    What is know about this person, Susan McLean?
    I think if we are going to hear her side of this we should know about the person who is asking that our freedom of speech be limited or taken away.
    She is a FORMER police officer.
    Why former? why did she leave the force? Did she quit on her own or was she forced out?
    What is her record?
    Does she have a record of violating people rights?
    Does she stand to gain financially from this?
    Is she connected to people who stand to gain financially from this?
    What do the people who know her think of her? Do they think she's a good decent person or just a Nazi under a different mask?
    Is she married? (I ask only to see if someone was/is willing to put up with her or is she so bat-shit crazy no one wants to be around her if they don't have to be)
    Does she have any personal reasons for her stance? Was a friend or loved one harmed and then someone said something cruel about it online? (If you want to see how that can change a person there is no better example than Nancy Grace. Just typing that name makes me want to puke)
    Someone should start a webpage of information about people like this that want to take away our freedoms so we all know what kind of people we are dealing with.

  77. Take your meds dude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is exactly what the government wants. Anything that anyone finds offensive can be grounds for imprisonment ...

    No what the government wants is to supply you with your meds free of prescription costs. Please get a grip on reality. They are not out to get you, for a start it costs too much to keep you locked up.

    I find police statement ... offensive to my belief in free speech.

    Well you can't be offended then, given this was not a police statement. It was a statement by some guy who used to be a policeman in the past but is now a cyber safety consultant.

    I will be starting a civil prosecution ...

    You can do that if and only if you ride to court on a pink unicorn being led by the tooth fairy.

    If it were possible to "start a civil prosecution" don't you think the cyber safety consultant would be doing precisely that?! It's a criminal offence bozzo, ie. only the state can prosecute. What the ex-copper is doing is bitching that the state isn't using s474.17 to prosecute internet griefers (a purpose for which it was never enacted). "Naughty government, why won't you lock up the trolls when the Murdoch media (ie the Telegraph) demand that you do!"

    Make an effort to get in touch with reality some time soon mate.