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Apple Hides Samsung Apology So It Can't Be Seen Without Scrolling
An anonymous reader writes "Apple today posted its second Samsung apology to its UK website, complying with requests by the UK Court of Appeal to say its original apology was inaccurate and link to a new statement. As users on Hacker News and Reddit point out, however, Apple modified its website recently to ensure the message is never displayed without visitors having to scroll down to the bottom first."
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Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.
Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?
Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.
If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.
I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.
Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.
Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.
I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.
If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!
You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel,
The lawyers are probably going to get put in front of the bar for their shite advice to these pricks too.
Banned product, I reckon. And some few billion in compensatory damages to Samsung. It seems the only thing they won't weasel out like a spoilt four-year-old is being slammed down hard financially.
A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-american football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and married -- and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with him.
As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured.
The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.
I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's handsomest young stud.
Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract? I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.
I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss.
I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit.
Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my hankerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom. I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.
I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.
It's their website.
ought to be worth about a million Pounds per day until Apple complies with the Court order - IMO.
$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski
Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.
Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?
Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.
If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.
I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.
Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.
Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.
I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.
If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!
You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel,
... if you have a 1920*1200 screen in portrait orientation.
The first line of the judgement, says .. Samsung / Apple UK judgment
I think it is missing the 'e'. The URL is correct.
- http://www.apple.com/uk/legal-judgement/
Oops Apple. .. almost there, try again.
When you've been slapped down for contempt of court, your next action really shouldn't be this kind of open contempt. I wonder how Apple's UK employees feel about this disrespect to their courts?
They need to sit down and shut up. I think Apple is rapidly turning into a shitty company that litigates not innovates but this is stupid already. What are they going to demand next? Apple employees wear duncecaps?
Please take a look at these figures, and tell me "They're done."
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-worldwide-market-share-q3-2012-127867/
WTF are they a Lindsay Lohan of the computer world?
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Apple managers are apparently unaware that sneaky behavior is likely to get a big story on Slashdot.
Apple only brought this on themselves and it will get worse for them if they continue this childish behaviour.
Look at profits made by the company. Apple is making more by far than any Android crap.
You DO realize Apple is the largest company in the United States, right?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443855804577601773524745182.html
- "Scientia non habet inimicum nisp ignorantem"
Love Apple more than ever!
I knew Apple were led by a bunch of petulant children, but this takes the cake. My two-year-old was better behaved. I fully expect them to throw a proper tantrum and bang pots and pans together when the judge issues an injunction.
I wonder exactly how much patience the judges have for this kind of nonsense.
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
I'd say it's actually more visible than the first statement given that it's not just a link. Someone people want to make an issue out of anything.
I'm presuming this has been fixed since I just visited the page and the notice appears pretty much in the middle of the page, slightly above centre. Screen resolution is 1600x900 (which I don't think is extraordinarily high). I can even make the window much shorter and there are still no issues seeing the notice.
Sorry to burst your bubble there, but Samsung is by far the largest smartphone maker in the world and their profits seem to be quite close to Apple's. So no, they're not that far behind.
Kiteo, his eyes closed: AOL buying Time Warner.
I think the people at Samsung will laugh to tears if Apple will be asked to modify their page once more. This is another great example of corporate trolling.
And I have to scroll down one inch to see a VERY large-print paragraph that very clearly states what the court wants. I don't see the issue here. Sounds like Apple haters are just grasping at straws.
Slashdot - news for fandroids, pedantic bullshit that doesn't matter.
Not Apple, those complaining. A slight flick of the finger and I scrolled to see the warning. OH NOES, a company wants to make its latest product as prominent as possible on its front page, and they do it in other countries too.
I am worried about some of Apple's text. It says the previous statement was inaccurate. I don't remember anything inaccurate about the last one, only that the judge didn't like it.
Oh, look, apple fanboi crying.
n/t
hah.
Sokath, his eyes uncovered.
For being a tech savvy company, they don't seem to understand online social dynamics at all. They should have thought about the Streisand effect before making another such massive marketing slip. If they had just used Gestalt principles they could have hidden the notice in plain sight.
There is a fine line between being smart and a douche.
( ref: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224281&cid=41843567 )
Seriously though, I don't think this is as big a deal as the last attempt was. The javascript may very well be completely unrelated. The statement is still obviously pushed as far out of view as possible, though. One could argue it's not even technically part of the page layout's normal content, given that it sits below the normal acceptation of a footer. So what is it, a subfooter? But this one they could possibly get away with. And if not, well their footer's class says it all, I suppose; sosumi.
On my 2560x1600 monitor with the browser maximized i have to scroll to see the text. Yup, I would say it is definitely fishy.
I agree about litigation, it's what I've been hating about the company for a long time. Some of it I can understand, but some was just frivolous or Jobs' ego.
But you can't reasonably say they don't innovate. They basically defined the modern touch screen phone and tablet markets, and the all-in-one LCD market.Their manufacturing tech is pushing Foxconn to say the iPhone 5 is the hardest and most advanced thing they've ever assembled, and now Apple brings the first Cortex A15 tech to the mainstream market, with a hand laid-out CPU design to boot. Apple is about the most innovative large electronics company in the world, warts and all.
Probably very little, given how quickly they reacted to Apple ignoring the spirit of the law last week. Frankly, I'm stunned that Apple seriously expected that any kind of special treatment of the message posting wasn't doing to get picked up given the level of tech press interest in the UK - the story has even been on the front page of the BBC news site. I'm guessing we'll have wait a few days to find out whether they are going to get another chance to do the right thing by the spirit of the law, or we're just going to go straight to contempt of court and see some more serious punitive action - like having to put the message in place of that nice picture of the iPad Mini.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
The Courts should have been more specific!
There are four links (2x thenextweb, ycombinator, and reddit) in the summary and none of them actually point to the web site or the actual statement. Was this really the best submission for this story?
How about some facts.
First, the UK website has had this responsive layout for weeks. Also, most other country-specific landing pages of Apple use the same layout (for example German, Austrian websites). With the notable exception being the US site.
Second, Apple was laughed at for claiming to need 2 weeks to implement the new statement on their website. While I agree I could fix something like that in 5 minutes, you just don't fiddle around in the CSS of such a website. In addition to drafting a new text, you have to adjust the code and actually test it, which can't be done in a few days. That the court demanded Apple to fix this in 48hrs, just goes to show how much they understand about this.
apple.com/uk vs apple.com on a 1600-px high screen. I had to hit F11 *after* loading apple.com/uk to include the notice in the screen capture.
Pretty sleazy.
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Let's organise an Apple boycott, and leave its products alone.
They really think the judge is an idiot and a fool. As if the first attempt wasn't enough to try and humiliate the judge, the new "compliance" to show on the front page has it automatically resize the page to hide it off the bottom. As it's effectively hidden from the user it again does not comply to display the announcement on the front page. It literally resizes real time to hide the judgement.
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Probably when they decided that it was financially advantageous and/or easier to get ahead by trying to keep the competition down rather than improving their products. Must have hit a brick wall and figured innovation is harder than litigation. Fucking bean-counters and lawyers wrecking everything! Not cool apple. Not cool at all.
You seem to care how much money this company makes.
Maybe you should just give them more money just by donating them money, since you think having the smallest userbase with the maximum profit is a good thing.
Blackberry at it's peak had twice as much users (50%+), windows is still dominating (75%+), Samsung has always sold more smartphones...
So why do you want each device to be more expensive for no other reason than to make a company rich?
... you do understand that "Market Value" has nothing to do with "largest company", right?
Apple isn't even top 20 in terms of actual value
Apple's profits: $33 Billion Rank: #2
Apple's assets: $138 Billion Rank: #187.
Apple's sales: $127 Billion Rank: #26
Their stock is over-priced and it will return to earth eventually. They probably cannot maintain their profit margin over the next 3-5 years and as soon as the sharks see them miss a few growth estimates, it will be bye bye Apple market value.
It's getting harder and harder to defend Apple.
It's 1997, they're near bankruptcy, and St. Steve comes back to save them. They're the underdog, and we cheer for them.
The iMac comes out. OSX comes out. The iBook comes out, with wifi standard, and they start cementing their reputation for avant-garde design paired with avant-garde architecture.
The iPod comes out, and they're clearly on a roll.
Then, the iPhone. Very nice device, miles ahead of everything else, but one niggling problem: the walled garden. Still, that's perfectly defensible: simply a way to preempt any virii, right?
Then they start bricking phones that are jailbroken. WTF, Apple? It's malicious behavior, and can't be explained away by any desire to stop viruses: people who jailbreak aren't Apple's responsibility, they chose that path and Apple should let them walk it.
Then, once Android starts to get really competitive, the suing starts. Sure, some of it may be technically correct - they won a number of their cases, around the world, and phones like the Galaxy S were pretty clearly rip-offs. But Apple wasn't just standing up for its rights, it was competing in the courtrooms instead of the marketplace. They had stopped being the underdog that succeeded through innovation (not invention, innovation - look it up), and started being the establishment that succeeded through inertia and bullying as much as anything else.
And now, they descend even further, and behave petulantly, seeming to agree with the law when it serves their interests and flaunt the law when it doesn't. From a company that advances the state of the art to a company that wants to freeze the state of the art for purely selfish reasons.
is basically a teenager with an attitude problem.
Just publish the apology and be done with it, you stupid cunts. Childish behavior is childish behavior, whether it happens in the kindergarten classroom or the Court of Appeal courtroom.
All the judges in the UK really have no power over Apple. Not only Apple is an American company, but *THE* largest company in the world. The British judges are sort of like kindergarten teachers telling a 4-star general to do something. The general is just going to smile and play games at will with these British nannies, oops, I mean British judges. In all honesty, British judges are wasting everyones time trying to get Apple to do something. Except for the Apple American Lawyers who are having a field day with these judgee-wajjee hacks.
Wait. So beating out most companies by a mere month because its users dump truckloads of money for last years hardware is innovative to you?
You seem to have forgotten that I devices were running around with 320x480 resolution despite ALL other equivalent devices having at least 800x600? For a good year?
Next they introduce the secondary noise cancelling microphone ... that the Nexus One had? Then the main feature last year was a $5 application that hey artifically rstricted to newer devices only?
So, what's so advanced? Foxconn, as far as I know is not a processor foundry. They also do not make screens (Samsung makes those, now sharp). All Foxconn does is assemble premade part. When you say "hardest to put together" it simply means they did a bad job at designing the thing. A lot of other phones are about as thin and not anywhere as difficult to service or make.
Also, if you believe and oress release coming from a company that says "no reasonable person would believe our ads" to get away with blantantly false advertising... I have some insider information on some penny stocks you should invest in. Also, I have this perpetual motion machine, but I need 5000 dollars to complete it.
While they remake their maps, even Windows Phone 8 devices have NFC. Windows phone!
I have no idea how anyone in their right mind could say they innovate anymore. They'veffectively been riding off of their UI gesture "innovation" for the past 5 years. All I have to do to see what the next phone they'll make is to look at last year's Nexus device: voice actions, secondary mic, high resolution. 500 bucks says a proprietary NFC tech comes out next year. Maybe even a barometer.
It's obvious that Samsung copied the iPad design. Apple did the right thing putting the link exactly where they did. And yes, it does take 2 weeks to update large scale web sites if proper processes are in place.
I'm sure this is just a mistake on Apple's part. It's not as if they beat their competition by having a vastly superior understanding of user interface design.
The Joy of Tech comic at http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1717.html has some other ideas on how to handle the apology.
THIS, this right here, is why I can't understand why MSFT is blowing billions jumping into the shark tank that is ARM powered mobile devices. Frankly Apple is the ONLY one making reliable money, the rest are caught in a race to the bottom, HTC has had some bad quarters, so has Samsung, the rest are looking ready to lose their shirts. the chips are changing too fast, they have too much stock, and frankly nobody looks at anything but the price...except for Apple.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, even in a downturn Apple will make out like bandits because they are NOT a tech company that makes fashionable devices, they are a fashion company that happens to work in tech. This is actually a GOOD thing for Apple fans, just look at lines around the block and people paying crazy markup for Air Jordans. Fashion seems immune when it comes to downturns for the most part, and even when article after article bitches about their memory prices...they keep right on buying.
So any company trying to jump into that blood soaked shark tank is frankly more than a little insane, and anybody that thinks they'll make iMoney with Android or WinRT are frankly delusional. Mark my words you'll see dual core 7 inch tablets for $50, the prices will drop so low it'll practically be throwaway devices. The only one that will be making consistent profits will be Apple, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even own an iPod.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Will be down in the basement, in the dark, with no stairs, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'.
Huh? One of the largest by profit, but still trounced by Exxon... and overall still smaller than the company that I work for.
Now, there are by far the most profitable tech company (AFAICT) but they are only just a little bit larger than IBM.
If I was the judge, I'd be very tempted to make it something like this:
"£500,000 for contempt of court. Your next layout will need to be submitted to this court for approval, and will be subject to another £500,000 fine if the court does not find it acceptable. This will continue until you submit an apology that this court does find acceptable."
That hides the bottom 310px of the page no matter what screen resolution is used.
Page with javascript
Page without javascript
MS is diving into the shark tank of ARM powered mobile devices specifically because their bread and butter has been threatened by the exposure of other operating systems and technology in the same tank. People have been exposed to apple and *nix like systems without getting the it's too complicated and nothing I own works complaints. They need to provide a comfortable fall back for people else they will find that apple isn't as scary as thought or that some *nix distributions just work well enough for what they want to do. As the mobile devices get more powerful and start assuming some of the capabilities of the desktop computer, they need to stay relevant or risk being replaced as an afterthought.
Clear contempt of court. Fine them so it really hurts. Say an annual Apple's revenue or so. Lesson will be learned and not just by them.
Perhaps an additional, significantly larger fine + the original posted apology should be in order here. The more zeros at the end of that number, the better (provided the first number is >= 1).
Treat them like the RIAA treats its customer base. At this point, I am of the mind that you can't teach Apple a lesson (they're on their second strike as it is...too stupid to get it right by now), but at least you can use them as an example to the rest of the corporate world. Fuck with a court order and get the shaft.
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Apple has no debt. Did you factor that in?
The $33bn number is "old news". Apple made $41bn in their just ended fiscal year. They are still seeing growth in 3 of their 4 main product lines (iPods are understandably seeing negative growth). Their product mix is still high value and high margin. I frankly do not see them taking an axe to their margins for market share. The bottom line is they sell in the high end of the market, where people spend money (App Store revenues are still ahead of Google Market/Google Play revenues), even with a much diminished market share/install base.
THIS, this right here, is why I can't understand why MSFT is blowing billions jumping into the shark tank that is ARM powered mobile devices. Frankly Apple is the ONLY one making reliable money, the rest are caught in a race to the bottom, HTC has had some bad quarters, so has Samsung, the rest are looking ready to lose their shirts. the chips are changing too fast, they have too much stock, and frankly nobody looks at anything but the price...except for Apple.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, even in a downturn Apple will make out like bandits because they are NOT a tech company that makes fashionable devices, they are a fashion company that happens to work in tech. This is actually a GOOD thing for Apple fans, just look at lines around the block and people paying crazy markup for Air Jordans. Fashion seems immune when it comes to downturns for the most part, and even when article after article bitches about their memory prices...they keep right on buying.
So any company trying to jump into that blood soaked shark tank is frankly more than a little insane, and anybody that thinks they'll make iMoney with Android or WinRT are frankly delusional. Mark my words you'll see dual core 7 inch tablets for $50, the prices will drop so low it'll practically be throwaway devices. The only one that will be making consistent profits will be Apple, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even own an iPod.
It isn't necessarily about making money, IMO. It is about creating an ecosystem that allows their existing product to continue to thrive. As more and more people embrace mobile, and as the tablet and the laptop continue to converge, it seems apparent that Microsoft can't just keep on delivering new releases of Windows and Office. Eventually, as Google Apps continue to improve and make headway, as Google releases the Chromebook and such alternatives take root, there is going to be fewer and fewer things that are keeping people in the Microsoft world.
Even if Microsoft's mobile venture doesn't win them huge sums of money, inroads in market share means that the Windows experience is out there as a viable alternative moving forward. Delivering an ecosystem where Windows applications can run on both the desktop and the mobile device means that development for the Windows platform can continue. If enterprises are forced to support Android and/or iOS anyway then there is no reason to build anything that takes advantage of Microsoft unique features. If Microsoft can put forth a unified ecosystem where enterprises can be convinced to target the Windows platform, that is a huge win for the long term viability of Microsoft.
All [Macs support display rotation] Including the laptops and iMacs. Although obviously the primary displays on those are not portrait displays.
Thank you for clarifying.
Of course the fact that you changed the topic from the tablets and smartphones that my post was about means you can't argue against that point.
Tablets I'll grant, but as for smartphones, I don't know whether the text is big enough to read when the page first loads. I don't own a smartphone myself because I haven't found anything to justify an extra several hundreds of dollars per year, and I haven't seen anyone post a smartphone screenshot yet. And even so, the usage share table puts Safari for iPhone and iPad at 5.45 percent, which is only about 25% larger than those Mac owners who haven't switched from the pack-in Safari.
They can't keep up for the simple reason that they are riding a bubble, and sooner or later the bubble will pop, as it happens to all bubbles.
That it's still not an apology but simply a statement of facts?
If the prices drop that low, Apple wont likely survive. All the functionality of Apple products can be replaced by similar devices of other systems. If it gets to a point, by any chance, that Apple products are twice or more as expensive as the competition, Apple will again become a niche company, iOS market will shrink to the Levels of OS X market and Apple shares will drop like there is no tomorrow. That is why Apple and Samsung high end devices are sold at roughly the same prices. If Samsung starts to sell Galaxy Tabs at half the current price Apple will be forced to sell iPads at similar prices, period.
They can't keep up for the simple reason that they are riding a bubble, and sooner or later the bubble will pop, as it happens to all bubbles.
So will Google... what goes up must come down... old story... what's your point?
You have to go a few generations back to find a lower resolution screen I see. Have other phones even reached the pixel density that the iPhone introduced three generations ago?
Technology licensed from Audience in both cases. Although IIRC Apple has dumped Audience for their own noise cancellation technology.
Electronics are premade, but Foxconn machines the cases with extremely tight tolerances. Even the inlays have to be perfect to the fraction of a milimeter so it can't be felt (they actually take 29MP macro photos, then the system picks the best fitting one out of hundreds). The problem is making what is arguably the most powerful smartphone on the market fit in probably the smallest space of any current generation smartphone -- and then doing that to far tighter quality requirements than anyone else. Apple's manufacturing technology is one of the most innovative things about the company. It's probably why other phones often feel cheap.
No, I didn't say they were. Samsung and others are. And now even they are not part of the design picture anymore. Now it's an Apple design, and they're just acting as foundries.
And none of them invented NFC. It's just a feature based on decades-old technology Apple didn't feel necessary. Apple probably also wasn't too interested in exposing yet more attack vectors (RFID isn't known to be the most secure thing out there). How about something really useful? I think the only one to beat Apple to market with in-cell touch was Sony, and that's using an inferior pentile display. Now those screens are made by LG, but Apple has their own in-cell patents, so who knows what ways the tech's going.
True, some of Apple's genius is just recognizing good things and using them. Corning had shelved Gorilla Glass for decades until Jobs asked them to resurrect the technology for the first iPhone. If not for that, even Android users would probably still be on easily-scratched plastic screens.
And don't forget Apple's long-time method of operation. They're often not the first one to do it, but they are usually the first one to do it right.
The next step might be an order to replace the Home page of both Apple.com and Apple.co.uk IN THEIR ENTIRETY with the order in ASCII text format and no HTML, and 1000 empty lines before any additional content, or HTTP link to their ordinary front page content, and keep it that way, with no changes allowed for 30 days.
My point is that Apple bubbles inflated very fast, far beyond their ability to sustain it, especially considering the increased competition they are having to endure.
Yes, Google's bubble will eventually pop, but it may take a decade or more for it to happen, and Google has a lot of time to create safeguards, which they have actively being doing for some time now.
Apple's bubble, on the other hand is going to burst much sooner and they havent been doing much in order to safeguard themselves against the eventuality.
From Apple's perspective, it is fighting Samsung over these same issues in a number of different countries. In some places it wins, some places it doesn't. For Apple to post a statement that purports to be from Apple stating that Samsung did not copy would be ridiculous, because it's already won judgments in other jurisdictions that say Samsung did copy. People who follow this understand that there are going to be different results in different courts, but the general public (who are the primary audience for Apple's home page) don't understand that. All they see is Apple contradicting itself. They don't realize that a judge is putting words in Apple's corporate mouth. It's judicial ventriloquism, with a judge pulling on strings to make the public believe that Apple is saying something it's not. This alone, regardless of what company or individual we're talking about, is disturbing. What else can a judge force you to say? Who else do they control in this manner? The BBC? The Prime Minister?
The judges' requirement seems at best very juvenile to me (not that either Apple and Samsung have been very mature in these court cases... but from a powdered wig-wearing British judge you'd expect some maturity). It's like asking a 5 year old to apologize to another 5 year old. You'll never get a real apology, you're not changing anything, and the rest of the 5 year olds are sitting there rolling their eyes. What Apple should have done was post a statement as directed but make it absolutely clear that:
By order of the court Apple is required to say "_______." despite the fact that courts in other countries have found that statement to be false. However, in deference to the court we are posting the statement as required and are eager to get back to doing what we do best: making great products for you (and hope that other companies not named Samsung will not offer you inferior attempts at copies of those products).
Comply with the letter of the law, but make it absolutely clear that these are not your words. Let the people know their judges are looking to deceive them.
means never having to say that you're sorry. Kind of reminds me of the Mitt Romney book: "No apologies" Defiant and arrogant to the end. This is what thermonuclear war looks like.
Apple just became another dumb company making disposable consumer junk - the inverse of what a sizable percentage of their long time customers actually want. Let's see them innovate a mid level graphics workstation like a quad core i7 with a pair of PCIe slots for discreet GPU's.
As a long time user, it saddens me to say that Apple is a company about to crash. Without the cultural cache from professional users the iPod, iPhone and iPad would have been dead in the water. Mountain Lion is too resource intensive and too many of the features are counter productive to those of us using pro level apps.
Never has a company being so careless as to turn everything into nothing in a 5 year time frame. The triumph of the Mac over Windows based on the demands of professionals (creatives and developers) was around 2007 and now they're all about touchscreens and pointless consumer apps. That attitude deserves reciprocation - fuck Apple!
REALLY?!?!?!?! This is news? A company, who thinks they are in the right. A company that won their case in the USA. Has made it hard to see a apology ordered by a court in the UK makes the apology hard to see without scrolling? There goes the world. EVERY COMPANY that makes a EULA that you have to agree to to use their application/game is in the same boat. Even Linux makes you scroll through a agreement, the GPL. You have to scroll to get the apology. Ugh why am I even wasting my time. It must be the booze.
...Apple modified its website recently to ensure the message is never displayed without visitors having to scroll down to the bottom first.
The industry-term for something on your home page that you have to scroll to see is "below the fold." It comes from the newspaper industry. A standard broadsheet format newspaper (as opposed to a tabloid) would sit on a newsstand or in a news box folded in half. With this in mind, the layout editors intentionally put the most important stories "above the fold" on the front page, and the less-important stories that are still important enough to be front-page news go "below the fold."
Putting something below the fold, whether in print or online, is not hiding it. It's still on the front page. It's just saying "this isn't the most important content on the page." And in this case, the forced apology is not the most important content on Apple's home page... Apple sells products and services, not apologies. If the judges felt it was that important, they would have specified it had to be above the fold or at the top. But they didn't. Quite possibly because the concept of something being below the fold is foreign to them, since the British journalistic diet consists primarily of tabloids, which are designed to scream, "EVERYTHING ON THIS PAGE IS IMPORTANT! BUY ME NOW!!!"
UK and Samsung at Tanagra. Their arms closed.
I have a rather heavy handed proposal, which should teach apple a bit of humility.
1. Rescind the need for an apology to avoid punishment, it's clear that Apple won't until it's too late.
2. Arrest and incarcerate every single Apple employee in the UK, as well as their lawyers, for a full year.
3. Charge Apple the full cost of their incarceration multiplied by 2
4. Institute an embargo on all new apple products for a full year, if this can be mandated over all of Europe, do so.
5. This judgment is to be broadcast by all professional UK-based media, specifically so that everyone knows and rampant idiocy and spin doctoring is avoided.
Typical disclaimer: IANAL.
Please note that all the Apple euro sites use the same resizing page template. This is useful for localization- where text image elements vary in size, depending on the language. Or it could just be that they wanted a fluid layout for that page design. Even the US site has a hero-resizing iPhone page.
Nothing sinister, just good web page design.
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Apple is clearly sorry that The Courts didn't see things their way.
Sorry that Samsung failed to Have Even A Single Original Idea for so many years.
Sorry that they have to have The Same Argument, all over again, in every single petty-jurisdiction in The Known Universe.
Seriously folks, this is NOT about "getting it right" but about every man and their dog believing that if they fight Apple enough times SOMEBODY will find against Apple.
(not that I'm saying they're completely innocent, guilty, or meh, just commenting on the ludicrous state of legal systems in this world)
And let's not forget, folks, in the end all this legalistic fart-arse-ing around comes directly out of YOUR POCKETS.
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Being lawful has always been about obeying the exact and explicit letter of the law.
Nothing more and nothing less.
HINT: that's why lawyers EXIST, to argue what the exact explicit letter of the law actually said.
As long as Apple do exactly what they exact literal words said in the ruling then they are in compliance.
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and juvenile... scrolling is such a common thing, especially on mobile devices... and since it explicitly shows scrollbars, I'm not sure this is anything to squabble over. The original punishment is silly in the first place. I can see why someone can think that Samsung didn't infringe on Apple's design, fine... but this sort of punishment is only appropriate if you think that Apple did this without merit.
Clearly there are multitudes of similarities in the products... Apple does believe in earnest that their were infringed upon. To have the judge assign a punishment this way is just plain silly.For the Judge to do this, they're really just saying the UK courts have no real power. I think Apple is trying to point this out.
What did the judge think would happen?
The judges/juries in some cases decided that Samsung blatantly copied Apple. The judges/juries in some cases decided that Samsung did not blatantly copy Apple. Should Apple create versions of their website to suit all the cases? "If you live in a country where the judge doesn't like Apple, click here." It's pretty obvious that Apple was the victim of Samsung making a concerted effort to copy their industry-leading product. And given Apple's history of losing in court when Microsoft stole their GUI design and even their code for QuickTime, Apple has a right to see courts as a hostile environment that will impact their bottom line. Now some of the specific examples of copyright infringement in these court cases were pretty stupid -- since when has there ever been a non-rectangular smartphone -- but the entire battle over software patents hinges on the commonly-held belief that copyrights on technology are holding back the industry as a whole. I'm not sure I buy that entirely. If you invent something, TRULY invent something new and practical, then you should be able to profit from that invention. A lot of these lawsuits seem frivolous to me. But Apple is right to thumb their nose at judgements that go against them when Samsung is clearly profiting from copying Apple's designs.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
By "quite close to", I think you still mean behind... So OSX is still the biggest but you have trouble accepting reality.
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Blackberry = 50%+
Windows = 75%+
Samsung => 75%
Total = ????
Did you do maths at school?
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You obviously aren't thinking about the secondary effects. A story on Slashdot advertises it to mainstream media. A Google search for Apple Hides Samsung Apology So It Can't Be Seen Without Scrolling gives a link to this story on the 22nd page of the search results: Apple accused of hiding U.K. Samsung 'apology' with code. A story on CNet may become mainstream news. Even if it doesn't, the story is traveling fast with 21 other pages of web sites.
A lot of people on Slashdot make comments that show they aren't thinking carefully. However, many people who do think carefully read Slashdot. The kind of person who thinks carefully has social power.
Apple has loudly advertised, "We can't be trusted. We're dishonest." People may think that, if Apple can so easily be sneaky about that, maybe the company can't be trusted to provide good hardware or service. Remember, those who buy hardware now are depending on the supplier for years to come.
You have to go a few generations back to find a lower resolution screen I see. Have other phones even reached the pixel density that the iPhone introduced three generations ago?
Sad, sad fanboy.
YES, the other phones reached and exceeded iPhone's 326ppi at least 18 months BEFORE the iPhone "introduced" it.
500k is what? Two pirated CDs? Yeah, Apple is so going bankrupt over that.
I'm a happy Android user and I don't own an Apple device, but i'm shocked at the childish responses here. It sounds like every one here really has a personal vendetta against Apple. Why is this?
Sure, they've engaged in patent suits, just as every other company in this industry has. Yet it seems like the demonization of Apple is relentless in comparison with any other related company. As I see it, they were asked to publish an apology on their website's front page, and as absurd as that judgement is, they've complied with that. Responsive design and content folding are old concepts... when did it become such a big deal?
My wife has been using Apple iPhones since version 3 and recently was considering an iPhone 5. A close friend showed her a Samsung Galaxy S3 with the larger screen and kept hearing how the screen was so nice in comparison to her iPhone 4. Today she surprised me by going out and buying the Samsung.
If my non-techy wife decided to swap phones, not in part due to litigation but rather innovative features, I would say that Apple is in trouble.
Isn't this the sort of things courts really dislike? It's pretty clear that they do not want to honour the spirit of the ruling. They keep weasling out of this in contemptuous ways,
Honestly, the few times I've tried using google docs, the biggest hindrance imho is the lack of proper tabstop alignment.
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Apple's more recent success was in creating and filling a market that hadn't previously been properly established and expanded. Full credit to it for its imagination and high standards with regards to usability. Its success has also been to exploit the lackluster performance of Microsoft, which seemed to have become complacent in its market dominance. However Apple plays dirty, and it is worse than Microsoft in its lock-down and lock-in attitude to its systems. That is its weakness, and Google has had some success with Android because of this. Microsoft is the dark horse this time I think because if it can produce a software development platform that straddles the x86 architecture and also ARM, it can kick Apple's arse. Sadly, Linux once again is left a bit in the cold, except in its Android incarnation. I wish the hardware on smartphones and tablets was more open.
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So neither Apple nor Samsung nor microsoft invented NFC...
Noise cancelling is licensed from Audience...
But Apples superior screen resolution is a revolutionary feat by Apple, and not simply sourcing a high resolution display form whatever non-Apple company makes them?
Apple still has a PE ratio of 13.06; Google has a PE ratio of 21.55. Apple has a debt to equity ratio of 0; Google has a debt to equity ratio of ~.09.
Apple sells numerous devices to happy customers; Google makes money by violating user privacy for the benefit of its customers, the advertisers.
Which company is the tremendously overvalued one, again?
Obviously the one that can't possibly grow much longer for lack of where to grow to, i. e., Apple. Everything else you posted is irrelevant to the argument in hand. You may dislike Google's policies and like Apple, but that has very little to do with both companies capacity to keep growing.
The lawyers are probably going to get put in front of the bar for their shite advice to these pricks too.
You think the lawyers are advising MS to do this. I doubt it. More likely the lawyers are trying to tell Apple not to do this. If Apple keeps it up much longer, no lawyer in the EU is going to want to represent Apple.
PE ratio and debt-equity ratios have nothing to do with growth rates, you dipshit. By any financial measure, Apple is in much better shape - and much better equipped - to withstand downturns than Google. They have a far more diverse product portfolio than Google, and have the experience and knowledge to grow into new markets successfully. It has absolutely nothing to do with me "liking" Google's policies - it has everythign to do with Google building a business around a single product (ads) and saturating that market with no apparent room or ability to grow into new markets.
Android has been a miserable failure for them, financially - it accounts for a rounding error in their overall revenues; their mobile advertising revenues are shrinking at a time when the *use* of mobile advertising is growing - meaning their desktop advertising revenues are shrinking, and mobile advertising revenues are not replacing the lost desktop revenues. Facebook has eaten their lunch in the social space, Apple and Samsung are making all the money in the smartphone space. Yet Google has tried - and failed - to push its own solutions in both of those spaces, including a very expensive $12.5bn purchase of Motorola Mobility which has done nothing to improve their situation. Anybody looking honestly at Google's future knows they have a tremendously uncertain future, and a huge number of bad signs to be worried about.
If either company is overvalued, it is Google. And yet you keep jocking them as if your paycheck depends on it.
Apple AU does too.
Exactly, PE ratio and debt-equity have nothing to do with growth ratios, and stagnation in growth ratio is what burst bubbles. Share prices can only keep artificially high while there is perspective of growth. As soon as growth stops share prices are soon to follow and companies start to sink.
Apple has an extremely restrict product portfolio, especially compared to Google in the real world (which is not your fantasy world), and Android is far from being a economical failure for Google as you paint, quite the opposite, actually.
But keep to your delusions. Lets see in a few years where Apple and Google stand and then you can come and apologize to me. I will be waiting.
*sigh* You have no idea what you're talking about. For a bubble to exist, the stock must be *OVERVALUED*. Of the two stocks, Google is the one which is MORE overvalued by any measure you care to look at.
Really? Let's compare the two companies, based on the major components of their revenue streams:
Apple: Laptops, desktop computers, peripherals, tablets, phones, music players, set top boxes, music sales, app sales, software sales.
Google: Advertising.
Or did you think Gmail, G+, Youtube, and Chrome were Google's "products"? Those are known as loss leaders, which get people into Google's infrastructure, so Google can rape their privacy and sell the resulting data to their CUSTOMERS, the advertisers.
Android is not far from being an economical failure for Google - it *is* a financial failure. It makes them almost no money directly - Google dumped it into the market in order to prevent from being frozen out of the mobile advertising space. Except it turns out that that mobile advertising space isn't very lucrative, and now Google is struggling to find a way to make money off mobile advertising to replace its declining desktop advertising revenues. This is in their very public SEC filings - I'm not sure why you're trying to claim that I'm making this up - this is GOOGLE saying it.
This doesn't mean Android itself will fail - it won't fail any more than Linux could fail - the problem is, SAMSUNG is making all the profit off of Android, not Google. Which means that when Google eventually crashes and can't afford an Android development team, they'll either try and restrict it to their Motorola division only, leaving Samsung to try maintaining their own forked version, or they'll simply stop development, and all the handset manufacturers can go do their own thing with the latest code drop. It's not making Google money, it was intended to be a loss leader: "you get this awesome phone os to build phones with, and in return... we get all the money from advertising on them!"
In a few years, Apple will still be making strong money off its many devices (do you REALLY think they don't have additional products and features in their pipeline? please), Google will still be struggling to make money off advertising, and Microsoft will have chiseled a sizable (but still minority) share of the smartphone market largely on the backs of Android manufacturers leaving the market since they can't profitably compete with Samsung. At that point, I'll gladly welcome your concession that I was right, though i won't hold you to it - I know how hard it is for you without the constant pacifying effect of Google's dick in your mouth.
How about less fanboi?
I've had a look back through your comment history and I have to say you do seem to me to be a bit of an Apple fan, and you're certainly someone who seems to think Apple gets too much criticism on this site.
But in this instance you're flat-out wrong - as others have pointed out, getting a change this simple through on a major site really shouldn't take too long (48 hours should be more than adequate), and the code they've used makes it pretty clear they're being sleazy.
It's not unjustified criticism.
Yep, because $500 lightweight netbooks have clearly killed off Apple, who is still happily selling $1500+ Macbook Airs as if they're made out of chocolate and pussy.
And the existence of $800 "professional" laptops has clearly killed off Apple, who is still happily selling $3000+ Macbook Pros as if they're made out of fine wine and delightful perky C cups.
I'd really like to subscribe to your investing newsletter - clearly you have a great handle on how the market works!
The fact that there is an Android incarnation shows the strength of Linux.
Which is because they have profit margin of a fashion company, rather then a tech one.
You say hardest thing foxconn has ever assembled as if it's a good thing.
It's a stinking failure on Apples part. It's their engineers job to make their things easily produceable and proper hardware companies have entire R&D departments assigned to this.
If anything I imagine Apple doesn't want their stuff to be opened and has an entire R&D department assigned to complicating it.
I bring up the Apple UK site and I see the message without scrolling. In fact, I see the whole site without scrolling. Maybe it is time for people to get rid of their 1024x768 monitors and get something with a real resolution?
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The judge is going to smack them in the head for this. If they let it go, I would be absolutely shocked. It would have been easier to just do this in good faith the first time, and have it over with. Now, as I predicted, they're going to have to do this a third time. Just watch. Next week, we'll see an article. Judge might even hold them in contempt. I'm buying extra popcorn this week.
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Catching burglars would put them and their families out of income, yet, burglars are being caught and put in jail sometimes. Why would other criminals not get punished? If I was a judge, a company that openly defies the law repeatedly, would get all their assets confiscated and the management would be put in jail for leading a criminal organization. Apple is taking a big risk here and they are responsible for the consequences to their workers, not the judge.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
The USA courts never bothered about such a minute technicality. Why would the UK be any different?
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
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Sorry, way off-topic, but can you elaborate a bit on that?
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I see Apple once more under the effects of a court order related to this. Here's to hoping there's a sizable fine on the next order. If Apple's going to be that childish, they deserve to be slapped around a bit more.
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Does anyone else find it funny that people who hate Apple continue to call it an "apology" when a statement of facts is all that was required, or expected?
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Have other phones even reached the pixel density that the iPhone introduced three generations ago?
Yeah. They have. A while ago. So far back, in fact, that they actually reached and exceeded the pixel density of the display used in Apple's iPhone 4 more than a year before it was released!
Today, it's tough to find a phone that doesn't have a higher PPI than Apple. Even the Dev Alpha, the phone RIM passes out to developers, has a significantly higher pixel density than Apple's latest product.
You might want to take a look at the other products on the market -- you're missing out on some pretty good stuff.
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It must really piss off the Linux community that the biggest *nix based consumer share doesn't belong to Linux, but OS X
You're on drugs man. The Android market share is five times the market share of iOS in the mobile space. Android is Linux. If you think Apple has the highest market share someone has put drugs in your CoolAid.
Understanding the written word isn't your strong suit, right?
First, he doesn#t claim that these numbers where measured at the same time (Blackberry: at their peak, Windows: still)
Also, these numbers are in part from different fields (Blackberry: smartphones, Windows: desktop/notebook OS, Samsung: smartphones)
And finally, it seems you made up the number for Samsung.
So: fail
So OSX is still the biggest but you have trouble accepting reality
Yes, you are right, OSX, with a 15% market share, is MUCH bigger than Android with 75% market share. Are you that mathematically challenged?
I suspect the reason behind this was less of a "hide this from the user" (although that may well have been a factor), but primarily one of "hide this from the web crawler". Judgments come and go, but web crawlers cache stuff forever. Apple probably doesn't want to have search results associate the judgement fiasco with it's main marketing site in perpetuity, hence this JS (the scrolling part ensures that even a web crawler which executes page onLoad JS, would likely not see this message and thus not cache it.
except in its Android incarnation
And even that is woefully fragmented. How many devices RIGHT NOW are running the latest OS or are at least upgradeable to the latest OS? Only a tiny sliver of the total number of OS devices out there. Is there some minimum requirement of upgradability imposed? If not, there should be. Otherwise, while the total number of devices will grow and grow, the number of devices running the latest OS will always grow much slower as a percentage of all devices.
Wow. You need to work on your reading comprehension.
Put identity in the browser.
I would love to hear all Apple products banned permanently there for their pathetic games, and for warrants for the arrest of all the people in charge so they can't go there without being jailed. But too many people there like Apple's products. Shame Apple is acting like fucking Lindsay Lohan. Remember when she was quietly flipping off the judge? Yeah, apparently she's Apple's inspiration.
While I agree I could fix something like that in 5 minutes, you just don't fiddle around in the CSS of such a website. In addition to drafting a new text, you have to adjust the code and actually test it, which can't be done in a few days.
Absolute bullshit.
Yes, this change can be made in a very short amount of time, less than 2 hours in any corporate environment will full change and release control in place. CSS? Fiddling? WTF?
How about 'insert this code on this page'. Test it in Dev. Promote it through the system to Production. Done.
Complete bullshit.
More importantly Samsung has diversity. Their top end Galaxy S3 has recently passed the 30 million sales mark, but they also do a large number of other phones and tablet devices. They also manufacture many of the components, including the CPUs and screens. Samsung has valuable patents on key phone related tech.
Apple has the iPhone and iPad. If they ever go out of fashion Apple is screwed.
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Shut them down locally until they comply, it is the only way the spoilt little bitches are going to do it.
The Galaxy S3 just passed 30m sales, and is higher spec than the iPhone 5. The Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 are selling well and higher spec than the latest iPad and iPad Mini respectively. That would seem to suggest that this is a race to the top, one which Apple is now being overtaken in.
As for the lower end just look at Samsung's product line up. They have a lot of phone models, and they are selling a lot of units. They are developing their own new markets like the phone/tablet hybrid Galaxy Note range.
Apple does not have a monopoly on innovation, profit, creating new markets or aiming to be a leader at the high end.
Mark my words you'll see dual core 7 inch tablets for $50
You can already buy a reasonably usable Android phone for well under £100, and yet the Galaxy S3 which costs several times more is selling extremely well. Similarly you can buy a cheap car for £5000, but £20,000 cars still seem to be selling okay. You can buy a laptop for £300, but £1000 Ultrabooks and gaming laptops are still selling. Your logic is flawed.
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"Understanding the written word isn't your strong suit, right?"
From the original "windows is still dominating (75%+), Samsung has always sold more smartphones."
!= "And finally, it seems you made up the number for Samsung."
Maybe my sarcasm is too much for you but try to understand the written word...
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Not my claim, I was quoting, so do not expect me to be the one to defend his figures.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
To recycle an old joke (from Drop the Dead Donkey or Spitting Image)
"3 Across: not a racist comedian (7,5)" doesn't really count as a retraction.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
In other words, whoever originally quoted the figures is retarded.
It's like saying that a cricket team are better because they hit more runs than a boxer.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Ironically, at least two of the things you mention are of no interest at all to most of Apple's customers.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
More likely "the Snow Leopard".
Really, troll, who cares? Apple is rapidly gaining a shit reputation in the tech world and this will spread to the broader markeplace in time. Just like what happened to Microsoft. Apple has publicly vowed to use the courts to destroy competition and ruin open source in the marketplace with dubious,obvious software-patents that should have never been filed and should have never been granted. This will come back and bite them in the ass eventually. Samsung has already vacated their touchscreen contract with Apple, and Sharp(Apple's new LCD partner) has just claimed that they don't know if they will remain in existence next year, leaving LG to pick up the slack. LG does not have the capacity nor the quality of Samsung screens. Apple may well have to spend some of their "thermonuclear war" money and get into the screen manufacturing business or come to market with substandard screens. Their antics in court (telling a judge to set a price for FRAND patents below $1 or they will not repect the price the judge sets, and, disrespecting a UK court order. among other arrogant behaviour) showcases their arrogance to the world. Already I meet people who are not technically inclined and they would not purchase Apple products because they have "heard" that Apple is a litigious company and sues their competitors for a rectange with rounded corners. I never though regular Joes would know about these things but the truth is going mainstream now so give it time. The market will eventually come around.
Is it normal that it does not show up in Spain. I'm in Spain and a quick visit to "www.apple.com / es" did not show any notice anywhere. Should it show up? Is the UK ruling binding for ALL of the EU? Just asking ^^
The judges should require that since Apple will not do the right thing, that they must put the apology on their front page, OR, they will recquire that Apple take out full page ads in ALL of the major papers in the USA and UK.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
They keep drawing more press coverage to it. The sheer stupidity of their decision making is baffling, had they done it properly this would have been out of the news a week ago.
No, what this would seem to indicate is that you cannot understand specs or performance beyond mere Ghz or core count. The iPhone 5 outperforms the S3 in most ways. In fact it even outperforms Google's latest and greatest 10 inch tablet in most ways. Head on over to Anandtech my young friend and free yourself of the Google Reality Distortion Field.
" The Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 are selling well and higher spec than the latest iPad and iPad Mini respectively"
Uh really -higher specced?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
As far as "selling well"....
Less than 3 million in 3 months?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57542796-94/asus-nexus-7-sales-climb-toward-1-million-a-month/
Apple and Samsung, at Tanagra.
Please consider this account deleted, I just can't be bothered with the spam anymore.
submit an apology
Look, I know you fat virgins are vested in the Holy Google but, really, how many times does it need to be said before it penetrates your fat, neckbeard having head? The court did not order an apology. Neither did the court order that there should be no scrolling required.
Honestly, the Google/Samsung Defence Force shit on Slashdot is just fucking ridiculous. It's 1000% worse than any Apple fanboyism ever was and it just ruins this site.
Apple has an extremely restrict product portfolio, especially compared to Google in the real world (which is not your fantasy world), and Android is far from being a economical failure for Google as you paint, quite the opposite, actually.
You're kidding, right? The overwhelming majority of profit (i.e. not just revenues) comes from advertising. Android and almost everything else they do is there for brand recognition and/or to feed people in to their core advertising business. Google is obviously very strong in search and online advertising.
Apple has a healthy desktop & portables business, software, mobile phones, music players, tablets, mobile advertising, and content delivery (to name but a few areas).
Both companies are strong in their fields. To say that Google has a more diverse product portfolio is plain unrealistic. You think a supermarket can consider its regular milk sales to be a serious part of their product portfolio? No. Staples like milk are sold at little to no profit because customers typically buy more expensive goods while they're at the store. I've no idea how things will stand in 5, 10 or 20 years. If I were to predict the future, I think I'd at least attempt to demonstrate understanding of the present. People should no more apologise to you than they should me if I were to predict the success or failure of company x by scattering animal bones on the ground.
It isn't necessarily about making money, IMO. It is about creating an ecosystem that allows their existing product to continue to thrive.
I think that you have missed the fact that Microsoft is foremost a software company and have had no problems in the past being the dominant player in other peoples ecosystems. Pretty much every home computer that you could buy in the late 70's to early 80's featured at its forefront a Microsoft BASIC, often baked right into a ROM chip that they booted to. Even Apples computers ran Microsoft BASIC. While at the time software companies werent making much money (any of them), Microsoft was already at the forefront.
When Microsoft bailed Apple out the year noted in my signature, one of the conditions that Apple insisted on is that Microsoft continued to produce Office for Macintosh computers. Microsoft was so dominant on Apple's ecosystem that the very survival of Apple depended upon Microsoft continuing to support the platform.
Currently Microsoft is trying to get into the hardware game, but this is probably a mistake, but not because it wont work.. but because its much easier to just write software for whatever is in vogue. Microsofts biggest recent mistake is probably neglecting to jump early onto the Android bandwagon. They seem to be moving to rectify this, as a Microsoft product manager has recently confirmed Office 2013 for both iOS and Android.
Look at how quickly hardware manufacturers go from top-3 to being seriously fucked. Motorola? Palm? Nokia? RIM? Being a hardware manufacturer is only great if you continue to be great at it. Once you make a single mis-step, or if someone else comes along and is even better at being great, then you lose your user base so you also lose the edge in your software base and there is simply no recovery from that.
Its good to be a software company.
"His name was James Damore."
JAGga.me ----> Producing video games addressing emotional health and wellness issues affecting teens.
Really? FOUR links in the summary and not a single one to the actual web page in question? Good grief.
Please consider this account deleted, I just can't be bothered with the spam anymore.
It's like saying that a cricket team are better because they hit more runs than a boxer.
No, it's like saying that a cricket team is the best cricket team because they hit the most runs, and also that a boxer is the best boxer because he wins the most fights.
Stop being a fucking prick and post an article that has a link to the actual offending site instead of three links to sites that talk about the offending sites. In other words, stop being a fucking prick, timothy.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Why isn't it up to the court to dictate what's acceptable? If Apple is complying with the letter of what the court demanded, how are they being contemptuous?
Benford's Corollary to Clarke's Law: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
My late father's secretary still uses the Apple IIe with Appleworks 1.x to do all her work for the remaining totally non-technical law partner.
Sorry, but the Apple IIe is still alive and well in many many places; do not hear that so much about MicroSerf DOS machines.
Apple made it work for the users, not the stockholders.
Following it in black and white, that is all they are obligated to do. They dont have to comply with the 'spirit' which is a nebulous concept that isn't a legal definition. If the judge doesn't like the results, he can add more requirements i assume. Then he can be disbarred for having a personal agenda perhaps.
Not a apple fan-boy here, just begin realistic. This is all anyone has to do, follow the law, as it is written.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I there any company that has so swiftly turned from the path of innovation to litigation, and proven itself a more sore loser than Apple? The cynic in me says that Apple is on the swift, sure way to suicide.
--Udo.
Google makes money by violating user privacy for the benefit of its customers, the advertisers.
I think you are reaching a bit there. Or I could say apple makes money selling crap to fanbois that lock them in so they cant use anything else.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
The beast at Tanagra.
poor slave labour gets laid off and instead of being worked to death can go tend a field and eat well....
yea fine them to death i say
Don't be petty, everyone knows you got your hand slapped. This only calls more attention to you than it would otherwise and makes even strong supporters of Apple, like myself, cringe.
I tested with my 28" monitor, you don't have to scroll!
How many people stand sideways to work on their laptop?
Very few. It's more likely to see someone plugging in an external monitor, and as BasilBrush and omfgnosis point out, Mac OS X supports third-party portrait monitors. The next question is how many people actually buy one of those for their Mac.
obviously the primary displays on those are not portrait displays
Your argument is absurd.
It's not absurd, just an edge case. Though third-party portrait monitors work fine, a Mac user who is not a print graphics professional more than likely doesn't own one.
Well, they pissed on the judge once, and he was a little pissed-on, now they have pissed on him twice, so I expect him to tell Apple to place a large banner right up front and on top, and to use a visible type face...
The greatest apology ever written was one Mark Steyn wrote to himself, on behalf of a newspaper that had screwed up an earlier apology to him. The paper had to print Steyn's new apology as a settlement with him.
"The Ottawa Citizen and Southam News wish to apologize for our apology to Mark Steyn. In correcting the incorrect statements about Mr. Steyn, published Oct. 15, we incorrectly published the incorrect correction. We accept and regret that our original regrets were unacceptable, and we apologize to Mr. Steyn for any distress caused by our previous apology."
First, I laughed. Then I cried when I realize how sad it is I got the joke.
So after pissing off the court once by refusing to comply with a legitimate order, Apple tries once again to "outsmart" the judge. I can't imagine what the company thinks it's going to accomplish with these shenanigans or how it could possibly think that this is a good idea. It's merely broadcasting the message that: a) it doesn't understand how legal systems work; but b) it thinks it's smarter than the judge; and c) it has contempt for both. "Well, Your Honor, I know you ordered me to stop harrassing my wife, but I merely burned her house down. I never said a word to her personally. So you can't touch me, ha-ha!" Fanboy geeks out of control trying to play with the grownups and just looking foolish. Incomprehensible behavior.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the assets ranking.
Most of the top ranked companies in terms of assets are financial companies which count customer assets under management as their own. The asset number is nearly worthless without knowing the liabilities. For example JP Morgan Chase had 2.2 trillion in assets but 2.1 trillion in liabilities, meaning it ranks below Apple in real terms.
Maybe in Apple's eyes there is no downside. To them, and their customers, poking the Judges in the eye is funny. If they have to do it again that's OK and they will do something else they think is funny.
They are following the court order so what exactly is the problem?
Are agnostics skeptical of unicorns too?
It required that it be on their "home page" The obvious subtext here is that the intent is such that user interaction would not be required (clicking a link, to give an example) in order to see the notice... if that were not the case, the requirement that it be on their home page, explicitly, would not exist, and they simply would have made the requirement that it be *easily accessible* from their home page
While yes, they do have something on their home page about this, it is *NOT* positioned such that it does not require user interaction to view. They are resizing the contents of their page to always keep the footer of the browser window below the bottom of the window, which quite strongly comes across as an even more deliberate attempt to hide it than a plain old link on their home page.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
The Slashdot thread in winter.
Probably a troll because there's no moderation for "He done posted angry stupids".
Apple has publicly vowed to use the courts to destroy competition...
Since you're out to write in such a loaded way, why not mention that this vow was made atop Mount Doom, with a clenched fist held to the sky? Oh Lord Satan, I swear I shall smite these motherfuckers and make their wombs barren!
...and ruin open source in the marketplace
Was this in fact part of the Mount Doom speech? Seems more like your conclusion than something actually said.
So the market will come around once everyone is as uninformed as the people you meet? The legal cases hinge on a little more than rounded corners. How about avoiding Google as well? I read earlier that Google is illegally selling people's private information. I "heard" that Linux is inherently unsafe because hackers can read the code. Internet Explorer is a security nightmare because IE 6 was shit. Where do you meet these people? Tea Party rallies?
Nexus 10 vs. iPad 4
Screen - Nexus 10 has higher resolution, higher DPI
Sound - Nexus 10 has better front facing speakers
Weight - Nexus 10 is lighter
Wifi - 300Mbps on both
Multitasking - Nexus 10 by far
Connections - Nexus 10 has USB and HDMI
NFC - Nexus 10 has dual NFC, iPad has none
Battery - About the same
Browser - Nexus 10 supports flash
Maps/Navigation - Nexus 10
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
They can't keep up for the simple reason that they are riding a bubble, and sooner or later the bubble will pop, as it happens to all bubbles.
You are right, Android is doomed.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
"Weight - Nexus 10 is lighter"
A whopping .11 pounds -- for a tablet that is much slower.
"Wifi - 300Mbps on both"
And no cellular option....
"Multitasking - Nexus 10 by far"
So real world how is the multitasking better?
"NFC - Nexus 10 has dual NFC, iPad has none"
And what exactly can you do with NFC today?
"Browser - Nexus 10 supports flash"
Uhh no. You have heard that Adobe has abandoned Flash for Android haven't you?
"Maps/Navigation - Nexus 10"
So Google Maps is better than *every single maps app* available for the iOS? And seeing that the only way that a GPS is usable is that you have to pay for an app that downloads all of its data to the device -- since the Nexus 10 doesn't have any cellular options.-- that;s really a wash.
Which is because they have profit margin of a fashion company, rather then a tech one.
I'm sure Cisco has higher margins on their stuff than Apple. And certainly is not the only tech company who does. What you wanted to say was "commodity tech company".
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
And the winner is this
jobs his turtelneck hitched up, shiting sideway's into a bucket coarse his ass don't work ano more.
Keep the whitehouse white, vote Trump & Palin 2020.
Cisco has large scale B2B profits. This is yet another different market.
Unlike popular culture would have you believe, there's far more to the economy then private consumption.
A whopping .11 pounds -- for a tablet that is much slower.
Didn't seem to stop Apple touting how the latest iPhone was a few grammes lighter and 1mm thinner than the last one. Actually the Nexus 10 is thinner than the iPad 4 as well.
So real world how is the multitasking better?
You can switch between apps without closing them. I do it all the time, flicking from G+ to the browser to notes to email to Currents or any of half a dozen newspaper apps. I can run a speed camera warning app in the background as I drive, listening to music or taking hands-free calls or doing navigation. I run a GPS logging app when out taking photos on my DSLR camera so I can geotag them later, and can still use the phone normally thanks to true multitasking.
And what exactly can you do with NFC today?
Transfer contacts, URLs, photos, videos, anything really. I can also pay for stuff.
And no, you can't pay for stuff with Passbook, and yes there are a dozen equivalent apps for Android that have been around for years. I was kind of surprised when Apple announced Passbook actually, were there really no apps like that for iOS before?
So Google Maps is better than *every single maps app* available for the iOS?
Yes.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Cisco has large scale B2B profits. This is yet another different market.
Unlike popular culture would have you believe, there's far more to the economy then private consumption.
So you admit you were wrong, and I was right, and still pretend it was the other way around.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Reaching? Not really.
Google violated user privacy of IE and Safari users for a long-ass time at all by refusing to properly support clearly marked user preferences.
Google sniffed gigs (or was it terabytes) of data while "mapping wifi".
Google allowed invasive spyware apps on their store by turning a blind eye to the activity, so long as they got their cut of sales fees and any in-app advertising.
No, you're right - they're rigorously dedicated to preserving user privacy at all costs.
Unless doing so would cost them some lost advertising fees, that is.
Who really gives a rats ass what the UK courts think? They're not God and they're not the end all be all. The spirit of compliance, albeit unwillingly, all they're gonna get. Apple will NEVER kiss their asses - regardless of the vaporlock that most of the UK posters apparently have on the UK court system.
Yeah, slim and sober is how you get the tits & ass. It's no wonder Apple fans don't go too much for chocolate or wine - they're too busy drowning in pussy.
1. Apple has profit margins of a fashion company, not a tech one.
2. Cisco has most of its profit margins in large scale B2B.
What exactly is wrong with either of two above statements?
It doesn't look hidden to me at all. It's right there at the bottom of the page, and I can see it without scrolling at all.
Copying the last 3 sentences before the "conclusion" line, with the judicium:
[...]
They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design.
They are not as cool.
The overall impression produced is different.
Wow, that's cool!
Even more interesting now is that it appears that with many tech news websites catching onto this abherration, it looks like Apple has been alerted and has now moved the resize function into a javascript file to load automatically instead. See "http://images.apple.com/v/home/n/scripts/hero_resize.js"
"var HeroResize=AC.Class({initialize:function(b){this._height=null;this._hero=$(b); .........(window.document.documentElement.clientHeight||window.document.body.clientHeight),10)-310);
this.hero().style.height=this.height()+"px"}});Event.onDOMReady(function(){var b=new HeroResize("billboard") }); "
LOL. Take a look at the page source of http://www.apple.com/uk/
"You can switch between apps without closing them. I do it all the time, flicking from G+ to the browser to notes to email to Currents or any of half a dozen newspaper apps. I can run a speed camera warning app in the background as I drive, listening to music or taking hands-free calls or doing navigation. I run a GPS logging app when out taking photos on my DSLR camera so I can geotag them later, and can still use the phone normally thanks to true multitasking."
You've been able to do that since iOS 4 -- released in 2010.
"Transfer contacts, URLs, photos, videos, anything really."
You mean all the things you can do with SMS.....
"I can also pay for stuff."
So you're going to take out a 10" tablet to pay for stuff?
"Yes."
And you've tried them *all* And I'm sure Google Maps is just great without 3G coverage...that none of the Nexus 10's have,
Why isn't it up to the court to dictate what's acceptable? If Apple is complying with the letter of what the court demanded, how are they being contemptuous?
Because of an expectation of integrity. Introducing a mandatory user action (a scroll) takes the content off the home page.
That seems to be what was once true. What's becoming apparent is that Tim Cooke has a radically different view of where to take Apple than Jobs ever did. For instance I don't see Jobs ever seriously entertaining the idea of introducing products which don't expect to succeed on their own so much as simply take up space and market share in order to chase out competitors as the current roll out of iPad models seems to indicate. Cooke appears to view his product line more like endless rows of vaguely different cereal boxes in the supermarket which are there just to occupy the most shelf space.
Apple has no debt. Did you factor that in?
70% of Apple shareholders are institutional share holders (banks, credit unions, governments). Did you factor that in?
Obviously you didn't as you're still banging on about other numbers. Apple's stock is still overpriced, their product is nearing the point of maximum saturation (currently in the laggards part of the diffusion of innovation) and when that happens, the stock will drop. After that happens, the institutional stock holders will cash out (as that's their entire reason for holding stock that doesn't pay divs), with approx 70% of stockholders doing this the drop becomes more of a snowball effect, sales of the stock cause the price to drop even further.
Basically, Apple's stock value is a giant bubble waiting to burst. When the institutional share holders cash out, it's the mum and pop share holders that will be left with stock that is not worth what they paid for it.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Why is every single Apple-related article on Slashdot something negative? Why does Slashdot hate Apple?
*sigh*..I second that. I saw it only a few weeks back, too.
i would believe your failure comes from assuming that if windows has a market share of 75%+ and samsung sells more smartphones, then it must have a market share of at least 75%.
windows is not a smartphone manufacturer. it is an operating system for PCs, tablets and phones.
windows and samsung could both have 100% market shares in their areas at the same time.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
it's more like saying the Ugandan olympic team isn'tdominating because the british soccer team - in their prime averaged twice as many goals as them, the current south african boxer is better than theirs, and the norweigan runner is faster than theirs.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
Samsung make the Apple A series CPUs too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6X
Manufactured by Samsung on a High-K metal gate (HKMG) 32 nm process
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
And I'm sure Google Maps is just great without 3G coverage...that none of the Nexus 10's have
luckily i can quite easily use my phone which has 3G coverage as a wi-fi hotspot. i'd be surprised if there are any smartphones that can't do this out of the box. id also be surprised if many people who owned a tablet didn't have a smartphone.
as i cant ever see a time anyone would have their tablet and not their phone - i don't understand the purpose of having 3G in a tablet. why pay for two 3G services when you can just have both devices use the one?
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
one fact, out of 7 billion humans, the majority are poor, the majority will use android phones as they cost $50USD. None except rich top 1% will use iOS.
So 5 billion android users, vs 1-2 billion iOS.
Apple has no chance.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
So if that's the case, what's the use of having NFC on a tablet?
I thought Apple was making a killing funneling profits through the UK.
It's that a little like cutting your Air supply?
I could be cruder.. but it really seems "not too smart"
You seem to be in the same fantasy world where people think the next quarter is all there is. Very few Google services endure losses. Most of them give them modest revenues but a solid, and most time dominant, market presence. Unlike most companies Google works with long term goals and understands that market dominance and diversity, as long as they can be banked are worth a lot in the long term.
Apple does not manufacture its own hardware, and a great part of its software is made by third parties. Following your own poor excuse for a logic, while Google lives solely from advertisement, Apple lives solely from aesthetic design and brand, and those things are only as good as the next trend.
But enough of nonsense. If you are so confident about Apple, by all means, Invest all your money in Apple shares and just wait. We will see who is right soon enough.
Depends, my friend. If milk suddenly becomes scarce it will be important to have the milk market cornered. Google has dominance in a lot of markets and although some give modest revenues today, and some may even endure with small losses. Unlike most myopic companies we have these days, Google plans for the long term, and they do it very well.
Once Android's long tail integrates to more than Apple's gated community (as it must if Apple holds firm on price), Android application development begins to take front seat to iOS applications, eating away at the prestige of Apple having the largest buffet.
It's a nice middle game and a lousy end game.
Debt is just an operating cost as long the company can afford it. I don't see how it changes the equation?
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Select that second drop down list and switch from "Standard" to "Portrait" and the selection of x\by-y resolutions will change to a valid set of portrait-mode resolutions.
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Tadaa! or La voila (with an accent placed as necessary)! whichever you prefer.
Also, MS isn't playing the race to the bottom game. They are happy to let their oem friends handle that. The Surface is *very* nice hardware and is priced accordingly.
Jobs was quite an excellent surfer: that's the art of jumping onto the next bubble before the current bubble bursts. The problem with most large companies including current Apple is that they try latching onto bubbles. That includes defending them in court rather than moving on. What they don't understand is that they are focusing on backward-directed battles.
It does not matter in the long run whether they manage to win them or not. What matters is whether they manage to stay ahead. And by fighting for the exclusive right to stay put, they are literally making their competition run circles around them.
Apple has the iPhone and iPad. If they ever go out of fashion Apple is screwed.
... and computers (iMac, Macbook, etc), misc other hardware (routers, TVs, etc), software, iTunes (media delivery network), ...
I'm not particularly fond of Apple, but it'd be a gross understatement to say that they only have mobile devices.
Cricket and boxing are different games. Desktops and mobiles are different games. You are as retard.
Since assets usually means net assets, it would seem that somebody did.
Did the DeVry MBA course finish early today?
Um, google's "product portfolio" is 96% advertising, which can be a very fickle market
Irrelevant. 15% of the personal computer market and 75% of the smartphone market, really is not comparing apples and oranges, right? Right?
You have very out of day numbers -
AAPL
EBITDA $58.5 Billion
Assets $176 Billion (of which $30 Billion is cash and they have no debt but do have $118 Billion in equity!)
Sales $221 Billion
Source - Bloomberg
Wrong, my failure comes from assuming that other people can read what was written. I am stupid enough to think that other people will follow... The original said 50%, 75% and 75%+ of users. If you really want to argue you should be masturbating about users can use more than one system but that would still fail to correct his mistake as the figures he laid out are still wrong even if that was what he was trying to say.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
I have ever seen on /.
What a fucking waste of bandwidth.
Fuck you very much.
That is all.
True. There are a lot of fag hags out there. I guess they feel more comfortable discussing emotions and yeast infections with effeminate, jobless males, such as the entirety of Apple's customer base.
Perception in iPad mini is that the only high end thing about it is the price.
he never said 75+ for samsung.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
not all phones have NFC so it could still be useful for Paypass/unlocking things e.t.c. *although i personally wouldn't want to get a tablet out to do these things - wallet/security cards would be easier.
also NFC is 2 way communication so is also good for transferring content and has many other uses
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
So let me get this straight, NFC is useful on a tablet because not everyone has a phone but having cellular connection on a tablet is not useful because everyone has a phone....
Hidden in the Bible? Get real. Six paragraphs, and the first and fifth constitute the required message. The second introduces short excerpts from the judgment in the third and fourth. The sixth refers to rulings in other jurisdictions. In addition, only the two required paragraphs have links, which immediately makes them stand out to the reader.
That's not hidden. That just contains stuff that Apple haters and the judge would rather people not know.
Really? I just looked at Wikipedia's page on List of Displays by Pixel Density for current phones. iPhone at 326 ...
The just released in China Huawei Ascend D has barely more at 330 (although stated 326 elsewhere), but it's a pentile display, so it doesn't quite compare, having fewer actual elements on the screen than the iPhone.
I see a few of LG's latest phones equal or barely exceed the iPhone, and a Nokia does.
Looking down I see a few other modern phones that have surpassed the iPhone.
However, this group of phones at or higher than the iPhone are the small minority of phones on the market. Thus, "it's tough to find a phone that doesn't have a higher PPI than Apple" is absolutely false.
Now that it appears Android phones have caught up in resolution, they will be in the running when I'm looking to upgrade from my 4S, if their screen isn't too big, and they aren't pentile. With this race for ever-bigger screens, I'm not holding out hope on the screen size.
NFC is usefull on a tablet because 1. not all smartphones have NFC. And 2. NFC has uses that make it worthwile on every mobile device one person owns as opposed to just needing one device with NFC.
cellular connection is not all that usefull as all* smartphones have both a cellular connection and can be used as a hotspot, therefore there is only the need to for 1 device with cellular connection per person.
to recap -
NFC: 1.usefull on all devices a person owns & 2. Not available on all smartphones.
Cellular Connection: 1: only required on one device a person owns(as long as that can be shared) & 2. available on all* smartphones(to be shared)
*there may be current smartphones that can't be used as a hotspot but i don't know of any.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
There are plenty of smart phone plans that don't allow tethering - including the grandfathered unlimited plans on both AT&T and Verizon. Besides that, smart phone penetration is only 50% in the US.
my stated assumption was that people with tablets generally own smartphones.
carriers can't restrict/overcharge tethering in Australia, and i was under the impression the case was the same in the U.S (as part of the Open access provisions on the 700MHz C Block spectrum.)
Back in July Verizon was supposed to drop objections to the 11 tethering apps it had pulled from the android marketplace
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
Except Apple actually has patents for their displays, and has a history of helping manufacturers get up to speed in producing their products. In some cases Apple blindly sources like everyone else, but in many Apple was involved in the building of the production facilities, the tooling, and the design of the production system itself.
You mean something any kid can put together in his bedroom? It is sad though that Apple seems to be neglecting the pro market. The Mac Pro is downright embarrassing in that otherwise top-end product lineup.
And the word ecosystem is thrown in as if Apple is the only company that can pull that one.
I don't have a Surface and I don't intend to, but I heard it's supposed to discover an XBOX at your house and connect to it, and do things such as show maps on the display, etc. Not bad - and not impossible to make.
Same thing with the Zune. I don't know what was bad about it - it just got bad press from Apple blogger/cocksuckers. But it had interesting features (like sharing music with other zunes in the room). And it didn't look bad, and the UI didn't look bad either. Zune is an example of a product that failed because of bad press from competition.
I'm not a microsoft apologist - but I don't think it's fair to say only apple can make an "ecosystem".
In the holy words of the meme, "obvious troll is obvious".
The irony is that your post shows promise, including a few bits of factual truth mingled in with the fanboyish flamebating. It's just that good trolling requires a lighter touch. As it is, your post is only half a step above GNAA, and only by virtue of being at least peripherally on-topic.
Better luck next time, and remember... subtlety will serve you much better.
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
Largest company by stock market value.
Which is based not on real company value, but estimated by the market and highly influenced by investor perception of the brand. It's susceptible to bubbles, like the dotcom bubble.
It's not the largest US company by either revenue or profit, which is a far more material way of measuring the size of the company.
And whatever the size of Apple as a US company, Samsung is not a US company so wouldn't even be included in that comparison you linked to.
Incidentally Apples shares dropped 2.88% so far today, Samsungs only 0.88%. Since they trade on different exchanges in different currencies you can't accurately compare their share prices directly, but Apple's share price is currently $542.16 while Samsungs 1350000 KRW is $1238.95 - 2.3 times larger than Apple's.
So wait, in your first paragraph you're comparing the most successful OS developer of desktop PCs with a mid level manufacturer of mobile device hardware. You're doing it wrong. Microsoft's direct comparison in the mobile sector is Google, and HTC's direct comparison in the PC industry is HP or similar system builders. Premade PC companies have had more than their fair share of bad quarters, but MSFT never feels their pain because once they set a sale price, the OEMs must buy Windows from them at that price or face certain extinction. OS distributors on the other hand have no such problem, as they are literally equivalent to energy companies is this arena, and when the prices go up, you just have to take the hit.
If Apple has the margins of a fashion company, does that make Cisco even more fashionable since their margins are higher?
The market they sell into is meaningless, your original statement said absolutely nothing about their customer base, just their profit margins. Since Cisco's profit margins are higher than Apple's, therefore they must be even more of a fashion company than Apple, according to your original statement.
Changing your statement now, to try to make it mean something completely different, isn't helping. What you said is right there for all the world to see.
Just take your lumps. We all make mistakes.
Moof!
"I refuse to use my common sense to even the tiniest amounts and will instead engage in fox news-like rush to the lowest denominator while pretending to be upholding the discussion".
I apologize for my mistake in assuming that slashdot visitors were not in that particular group and holding the local readership to a somewhat higher intellectual standard. Your correction has been duly noted.
Captain says move out of parents Basement... Make it so!! lol
I guess you can't just post a link to what you're talking about? you have to post to a bunch of other garbage. Asshole