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Apple Hides Samsung Apology So It Can't Be Seen Without Scrolling
An anonymous reader writes "Apple today posted its second Samsung apology to its UK website, complying with requests by the UK Court of Appeal to say its original apology was inaccurate and link to a new statement. As users on Hacker News and Reddit point out, however, Apple modified its website recently to ensure the message is never displayed without visitors having to scroll down to the bottom first."
The lawyers are probably going to get put in front of the bar for their shite advice to these pricks too.
Banned product, I reckon. And some few billion in compensatory damages to Samsung. It seems the only thing they won't weasel out like a spoilt four-year-old is being slammed down hard financially.
Obviously the courts care since they are the ones that mandated Apple provide this info on their site.
... if you have a 1920*1200 screen in portrait orientation.
When you've been slapped down for contempt of court, your next action really shouldn't be this kind of open contempt. I wonder how Apple's UK employees feel about this disrespect to their courts?
WTF are they a Lindsay Lohan of the computer world?
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Apple managers are apparently unaware that sneaky behavior is likely to get a big story on Slashdot.
Judgment can actually be spelled without an E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_(law)
And they have. People whining about scrolling to see it? Get over it, all the stuff on the bottom of their page has required a scroll to see it.
Try READING the court order. They are in full compliance.
- "Scientia non habet inimicum nisp ignorantem"
I wonder exactly how much patience the judges have for this kind of nonsense.
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
In English judgment is spelt without the extra e when it refers to a legal judgment given by a judge. I don't know why, it just is. Usually the two spellings can be used interchangeably, but if it is an English legal thing, it never has the extra e.
I'd say it's actually more visible than the first statement given that it's not just a link. Someone people want to make an issue out of anything.
I'm presuming this has been fixed since I just visited the page and the notice appears pretty much in the middle of the page, slightly above centre. Screen resolution is 1600x900 (which I don't think is extraordinarily high). I can even make the window much shorter and there are still no issues seeing the notice.
And before this you did not need to scroll. They are trying to manipulate the situation in a way the judges already warned them about.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Sorry to burst your bubble there, but Samsung is by far the largest smartphone maker in the world and their profits seem to be quite close to Apple's. So no, they're not that far behind.
Kiteo, his eyes closed: AOL buying Time Warner.
I think the people at Samsung will laugh to tears if Apple will be asked to modify their page once more. This is another great example of corporate trolling.
You screen captured in portrait view. So a 'proper' resolution now a days is a vertically oriented portrait screen?
The space is occupied by an ad for the iPad mini, with a resolution of 1024x768. Yeah, you're full of shit. You only have a retina resolution on an iPad if it's less than 8 months old, or else it would be 1024x768 as well, so don't go talking about 1920x1080 being obsolete since the year 2000 as if you're making any damned sense.
Apple.com doesn't scale the ipad mini ad like this, it just has a static size. Apple.com/uk does. That much seems suspicious as hell. Now, that said, Apple.com/ca for Canada also does, despite not having legalese.
Viewed from my 1920x1200 monitor, landscape orientation. I first got something with this resolution in 2006 IIRC, maybe 2007. Clearly I'm a damned luddite.
Not Apple, those complaining. A slight flick of the finger and I scrolled to see the warning. OH NOES, a company wants to make its latest product as prominent as possible on its front page, and they do it in other countries too.
I am worried about some of Apple's text. It says the previous statement was inaccurate. I don't remember anything inaccurate about the last one, only that the judge didn't like it.
Actually last week I was able to see the footer on both websites without scrolling.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
hah.
Sokath, his eyes uncovered.
As far as "having to scroll to see it", try getting a device with proper screen resolution:
I don't know how to get any better than 2560x1440 without spending a large amount of cash (and this monitor set me back enough). I still have to scroll to see the bottom.
That said, the order never said anything about no having to scroll. I'm surprised it specified such a small 11 point font.
For being a tech savvy company, they don't seem to understand online social dynamics at all. They should have thought about the Streisand effect before making another such massive marketing slip. If they had just used Gestalt principles they could have hidden the notice in plain sight.
There is a fine line between being smart and a douche.
( ref: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224281&cid=41843567 )
Seriously though, I don't think this is as big a deal as the last attempt was. The javascript may very well be completely unrelated. The statement is still obviously pushed as far out of view as possible, though. One could argue it's not even technically part of the page layout's normal content, given that it sits below the normal acceptation of a footer. So what is it, a subfooter? But this one they could possibly get away with. And if not, well their footer's class says it all, I suppose; sosumi.
Because I was looking at the website for the link to the notice.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
On my 2560x1600 monitor with the browser maximized i have to scroll to see the text. Yup, I would say it is definitely fishy.
Not only that, it appears that they've turned off the normal redirect from apple.com to the UK website and aren't displaying it on the main apple.com website for UK visitors, so it's not actually visible even with scrolling to most of the people it's meant to reach. They're literally begging to be found in contempt.
I agree about litigation, it's what I've been hating about the company for a long time. Some of it I can understand, but some was just frivolous or Jobs' ego.
But you can't reasonably say they don't innovate. They basically defined the modern touch screen phone and tablet markets, and the all-in-one LCD market.Their manufacturing tech is pushing Foxconn to say the iPhone 5 is the hardest and most advanced thing they've ever assembled, and now Apple brings the first Cortex A15 tech to the mainstream market, with a hand laid-out CPU design to boot. Apple is about the most innovative large electronics company in the world, warts and all.
Probably very little, given how quickly they reacted to Apple ignoring the spirit of the law last week. Frankly, I'm stunned that Apple seriously expected that any kind of special treatment of the message posting wasn't doing to get picked up given the level of tech press interest in the UK - the story has even been on the front page of the BBC news site. I'm guessing we'll have wait a few days to find out whether they are going to get another chance to do the right thing by the spirit of the law, or we're just going to go straight to contempt of court and see some more serious punitive action - like having to put the message in place of that nice picture of the iPad Mini.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
There are four links (2x thenextweb, ycombinator, and reddit) in the summary and none of them actually point to the web site or the actual statement. Was this really the best submission for this story?
> Funny how many experts there are when this shit comes up.
Did you read the judge's warning to them when they reworded the apology? It doesn't take an expert nor a specific law to recognize circumvention.
Wow, you must be begging for another anal rape by Steve Jobs.
How about some facts.
First, the UK website has had this responsive layout for weeks. Also, most other country-specific landing pages of Apple use the same layout (for example German, Austrian websites). With the notable exception being the US site.
Second, Apple was laughed at for claiming to need 2 weeks to implement the new statement on their website. While I agree I could fix something like that in 5 minutes, you just don't fiddle around in the CSS of such a website. In addition to drafting a new text, you have to adjust the code and actually test it, which can't be done in a few days. That the court demanded Apple to fix this in 48hrs, just goes to show how much they understand about this.
You never let the opportunity to lie for Apple's advantage go past you. I have to admire your tenacity, yet loathe your dishonesty.
apple.com/uk vs apple.com on a 1600-px high screen. I had to hit F11 *after* loading apple.com/uk to include the notice in the screen capture.
Pretty sleazy.
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If you're going to make a claim like that, you might want to spare thirty seconds to check out the actual web sites.
US Site: No picture scaling
UK Site: Picture scales to hide the bottom of the page. I had to turn my monitor on its side, making it 1920 pixels tall, in order to get the notice to appear.
I really don't understand how some people think they can get away with such obvious lies on the internet. Do they really think that not a single person will bother to check?
Let's organise an Apple boycott, and leave its products alone.
Hey, even on my 145inch 8K monitor I have to scroll down... Oh wait, let me turn the magnification down a bit... Ah yes, there we go... Damn! Now where did I put my reading glasses?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
They really think the judge is an idiot and a fool. As if the first attempt wasn't enough to try and humiliate the judge, the new "compliance" to show on the front page has it automatically resize the page to hide it off the bottom. As it's effectively hidden from the user it again does not comply to display the announcement on the front page. It literally resizes real time to hide the judgement.
Phillip.
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You seem to care how much money this company makes.
Maybe you should just give them more money just by donating them money, since you think having the smallest userbase with the maximum profit is a good thing.
Blackberry at it's peak had twice as much users (50%+), windows is still dominating (75%+), Samsung has always sold more smartphones...
So why do you want each device to be more expensive for no other reason than to make a company rich?
... you do understand that "Market Value" has nothing to do with "largest company", right?
Apple isn't even top 20 in terms of actual value
Apple's profits: $33 Billion Rank: #2
Apple's assets: $138 Billion Rank: #187.
Apple's sales: $127 Billion Rank: #26
Their stock is over-priced and it will return to earth eventually. They probably cannot maintain their profit margin over the next 3-5 years and as soon as the sharks see them miss a few growth estimates, it will be bye bye Apple market value.
I wonder if a creative judge wouldn't have an original redress, like:
On apple.com, and all your international sites, in the languages you already display, you must display the apology in a click-thru manner, such as NO customer to any apple property is unaware that
Dear customers, we've been found before British court to have falsely accused samsung of theft. Moreover we've been found also by the british court, in contempt of court for not informing our british customers of such.
Please click here to continue to your normal apple site.
They obviously value publicity far more than money, and should be hit appropriately.
They changed the site and most if the other regions sites to do this 2 days ago. I wonder why.
It's getting harder and harder to defend Apple.
It's 1997, they're near bankruptcy, and St. Steve comes back to save them. They're the underdog, and we cheer for them.
The iMac comes out. OSX comes out. The iBook comes out, with wifi standard, and they start cementing their reputation for avant-garde design paired with avant-garde architecture.
The iPod comes out, and they're clearly on a roll.
Then, the iPhone. Very nice device, miles ahead of everything else, but one niggling problem: the walled garden. Still, that's perfectly defensible: simply a way to preempt any virii, right?
Then they start bricking phones that are jailbroken. WTF, Apple? It's malicious behavior, and can't be explained away by any desire to stop viruses: people who jailbreak aren't Apple's responsibility, they chose that path and Apple should let them walk it.
Then, once Android starts to get really competitive, the suing starts. Sure, some of it may be technically correct - they won a number of their cases, around the world, and phones like the Galaxy S were pretty clearly rip-offs. But Apple wasn't just standing up for its rights, it was competing in the courtrooms instead of the marketplace. They had stopped being the underdog that succeeded through innovation (not invention, innovation - look it up), and started being the establishment that succeeded through inertia and bullying as much as anything else.
And now, they descend even further, and behave petulantly, seeming to agree with the law when it serves their interests and flaunt the law when it doesn't. From a company that advances the state of the art to a company that wants to freeze the state of the art for purely selfish reasons.
And with the widespread use of tablets and smartphones in portrait mode, it's hardly a fringe case.
Which Mac computer (running Mac OS X, not iOS) supports portrait mode? Apple's laptops and iMac sure don't.
its really a good thing that I'm not a UK judge.
I'd have zero problem fining them 10% of their annual UK profits.
10% isn't enough to kill anyone but it surely is enough to sting.
screw with the ruling again and it doubles. each fucking time!
look, apple is toying with the courts and laughing at them.
UK judges: strike back and show them who's boss. please! we're all hoping for a huge slap-down to put them back in line.
spoilt children do need to be taught a lesson. and one that actually hurts so that they remember it.
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Just publish the apology and be done with it, you stupid cunts. Childish behavior is childish behavior, whether it happens in the kindergarten classroom or the Court of Appeal courtroom.
Wait. So beating out most companies by a mere month because its users dump truckloads of money for last years hardware is innovative to you?
You seem to have forgotten that I devices were running around with 320x480 resolution despite ALL other equivalent devices having at least 800x600? For a good year?
Next they introduce the secondary noise cancelling microphone ... that the Nexus One had? Then the main feature last year was a $5 application that hey artifically rstricted to newer devices only?
So, what's so advanced? Foxconn, as far as I know is not a processor foundry. They also do not make screens (Samsung makes those, now sharp). All Foxconn does is assemble premade part. When you say "hardest to put together" it simply means they did a bad job at designing the thing. A lot of other phones are about as thin and not anywhere as difficult to service or make.
Also, if you believe and oress release coming from a company that says "no reasonable person would believe our ads" to get away with blantantly false advertising... I have some insider information on some penny stocks you should invest in. Also, I have this perpetual motion machine, but I need 5000 dollars to complete it.
While they remake their maps, even Windows Phone 8 devices have NFC. Windows phone!
I have no idea how anyone in their right mind could say they innovate anymore. They'veffectively been riding off of their UI gesture "innovation" for the past 5 years. All I have to do to see what the next phone they'll make is to look at last year's Nexus device: voice actions, secondary mic, high resolution. 500 bucks says a proprietary NFC tech comes out next year. Maybe even a barometer.
Yeah, this is rather blatant, I'm not sure how things work in the UK, but in the US the judge has a lot of leeway in terms of contempt of court and those are generally not subject to appeal. It's one of the things that is necessary in order to allow the judge to function as a judge.
One of the things you never do in court is piss off the judge. Judges are supposed to be impartial, but at bare minimum these sorts of moves tend to wear down on the amount of benefit of the doubt you get when things are a bit iffy.
I've seen this guy several times here on Slashdot and each time I wonder what does he actually get out of this? Writing incoherent rambles that no one is interested in, making himself look like a total, utter lunatic, not to mention the waste of his time..Does he really have nothing better to do? How many screws has he lost? Or more precisely, are there any screws left in the first place?
...because unlike you he obviously isn't a moron. I also didn't have to scroll last time I looked on apple.co.uk.
All of them.
Yes, even Including the laptops and iMacs. Although obviously the primary displays on those are not portrait displays.
Of course the fact that you changed the topic from the tablets and smartphones that my post was about means you can't argue against that point.
THIS, this right here, is why I can't understand why MSFT is blowing billions jumping into the shark tank that is ARM powered mobile devices. Frankly Apple is the ONLY one making reliable money, the rest are caught in a race to the bottom, HTC has had some bad quarters, so has Samsung, the rest are looking ready to lose their shirts. the chips are changing too fast, they have too much stock, and frankly nobody looks at anything but the price...except for Apple.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, even in a downturn Apple will make out like bandits because they are NOT a tech company that makes fashionable devices, they are a fashion company that happens to work in tech. This is actually a GOOD thing for Apple fans, just look at lines around the block and people paying crazy markup for Air Jordans. Fashion seems immune when it comes to downturns for the most part, and even when article after article bitches about their memory prices...they keep right on buying.
So any company trying to jump into that blood soaked shark tank is frankly more than a little insane, and anybody that thinks they'll make iMoney with Android or WinRT are frankly delusional. Mark my words you'll see dual core 7 inch tablets for $50, the prices will drop so low it'll practically be throwaway devices. The only one that will be making consistent profits will be Apple, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even own an iPod.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
I can't speak for thaylin, but had I looked at the same times I would have noticed, because I often look for interesting design techniques when I view apple.com (not the actual graphics of the design so much as the site has been used for years as a testbed for interesting CSS and JS techniques), and I have certainly noticed that their front page has for some time been viewport-dependent; but it has not used the same implementation that it does on the UK version (it's been the way it is on the US version), and I would notice that change.
Will be down in the basement, in the dark, with no stairs, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'.
You're really stretching here. The fellow remembers seeing the footer on a page he was on last week. Does he need a reason?
What would that even be?
Try this: You remember what you had for lunch last Wednesday because __________.
Of course, if you can't answer that, you must be lying about remembering what you had for lunch last Wednesday in an effort to make {company} look bad!
Apple is doing just fine. You don't need to defend them or shill for them.
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All current Macs (OS X) support rotated display for displays that support rotation (no Apple-branded displays, but many from third-party vendors).
http://cl.ly/image/3z37153l2G1S
Huh? One of the largest by profit, but still trounced by Exxon... and overall still smaller than the company that I work for.
Now, there are by far the most profitable tech company (AFAICT) but they are only just a little bit larger than IBM.
This screenshot?
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6237043/applesucks.png
What was that about dishonesty?
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If I was the judge, I'd be very tempted to make it something like this:
"£500,000 for contempt of court. Your next layout will need to be submitted to this court for approval, and will be subject to another £500,000 fine if the court does not find it acceptable. This will continue until you submit an apology that this court does find acceptable."
It's from the Time Cube website. Ancient trolling.
Keep on knockin'
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That hides the bottom 310px of the page no matter what screen resolution is used.
Page with javascript
Page without javascript
Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something.
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MS is diving into the shark tank of ARM powered mobile devices specifically because their bread and butter has been threatened by the exposure of other operating systems and technology in the same tank. People have been exposed to apple and *nix like systems without getting the it's too complicated and nothing I own works complaints. They need to provide a comfortable fall back for people else they will find that apple isn't as scary as thought or that some *nix distributions just work well enough for what they want to do. As the mobile devices get more powerful and start assuming some of the capabilities of the desktop computer, they need to stay relevant or risk being replaced as an afterthought.
Clear contempt of court. Fine them so it really hurts. Say an annual Apple's revenue or so. Lesson will be learned and not just by them.
It's from the Time Cube website. Ancient trolling.
Oh, that explains quite a lot. I still don't get the point, though, but alas, maybe I'm just not mentally unstable enough! :)
Apple has no debt. Did you factor that in?
The $33bn number is "old news". Apple made $41bn in their just ended fiscal year. They are still seeing growth in 3 of their 4 main product lines (iPods are understandably seeing negative growth). Their product mix is still high value and high margin. I frankly do not see them taking an axe to their margins for market share. The bottom line is they sell in the high end of the market, where people spend money (App Store revenues are still ahead of Google Market/Google Play revenues), even with a much diminished market share/install base.
THIS, this right here, is why I can't understand why MSFT is blowing billions jumping into the shark tank that is ARM powered mobile devices. Frankly Apple is the ONLY one making reliable money, the rest are caught in a race to the bottom, HTC has had some bad quarters, so has Samsung, the rest are looking ready to lose their shirts. the chips are changing too fast, they have too much stock, and frankly nobody looks at anything but the price...except for Apple.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, even in a downturn Apple will make out like bandits because they are NOT a tech company that makes fashionable devices, they are a fashion company that happens to work in tech. This is actually a GOOD thing for Apple fans, just look at lines around the block and people paying crazy markup for Air Jordans. Fashion seems immune when it comes to downturns for the most part, and even when article after article bitches about their memory prices...they keep right on buying.
So any company trying to jump into that blood soaked shark tank is frankly more than a little insane, and anybody that thinks they'll make iMoney with Android or WinRT are frankly delusional. Mark my words you'll see dual core 7 inch tablets for $50, the prices will drop so low it'll practically be throwaway devices. The only one that will be making consistent profits will be Apple, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even own an iPod.
It isn't necessarily about making money, IMO. It is about creating an ecosystem that allows their existing product to continue to thrive. As more and more people embrace mobile, and as the tablet and the laptop continue to converge, it seems apparent that Microsoft can't just keep on delivering new releases of Windows and Office. Eventually, as Google Apps continue to improve and make headway, as Google releases the Chromebook and such alternatives take root, there is going to be fewer and fewer things that are keeping people in the Microsoft world.
Even if Microsoft's mobile venture doesn't win them huge sums of money, inroads in market share means that the Windows experience is out there as a viable alternative moving forward. Delivering an ecosystem where Windows applications can run on both the desktop and the mobile device means that development for the Windows platform can continue. If enterprises are forced to support Android and/or iOS anyway then there is no reason to build anything that takes advantage of Microsoft unique features. If Microsoft can put forth a unified ecosystem where enterprises can be convinced to target the Windows platform, that is a huge win for the long term viability of Microsoft.
Don't worry, they're about to get real specific...
All [Macs support display rotation] Including the laptops and iMacs. Although obviously the primary displays on those are not portrait displays.
Thank you for clarifying.
Of course the fact that you changed the topic from the tablets and smartphones that my post was about means you can't argue against that point.
Tablets I'll grant, but as for smartphones, I don't know whether the text is big enough to read when the page first loads. I don't own a smartphone myself because I haven't found anything to justify an extra several hundreds of dollars per year, and I haven't seen anyone post a smartphone screenshot yet. And even so, the usage share table puts Safari for iPhone and iPad at 5.45 percent, which is only about 25% larger than those Mac owners who haven't switched from the pack-in Safari.
I have no idea what I had for lunch last Wednesday.
Not everyone has a piss-poor memory.
I know what I had for lunch last Wednesday. Why? Because I don't stumble through life blindly moving from one moment to the next!
Had I checked out Apples page like the parent last week, I would have certainly taken note of both the position and content in the footer due to all the talk about how Apple was likely to bury the link there. Not that it would have been terribly difficult to call to mind the look of a page I'd seen recently!
Still, your argument boils down to "I have a bad memory therefore the parent is lying!" Not too convincing...
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If you're going to make a claim like that, you might want to spare thirty seconds to check out the actual web sites.
US Site: No picture scaling
UK Site: Picture scales to hide the bottom of the page. I had to turn my monitor on its side, making it 1920 pixels tall, in order to get the notice to appear.
I really don't understand how some people think they can get away with such obvious lies on the internet. Do they really think that not a single person will bother to check?
following the links above I have to scroll *farther* to see the bottom of the page on the US site. damage control, geo-location or ???
They can't keep up for the simple reason that they are riding a bubble, and sooner or later the bubble will pop, as it happens to all bubbles.
1080p is crap mate.
"640 x 480 should be enough for anyone"? :)
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That it's still not an apology but simply a statement of facts?
So, how can I know that the screenshot that an AC posted is a fake and that the screenshot you're referring to is real?
You clearly have an ideologically driven agenda, so I can't really take your word for it.
I don't have an iPad to check for myself, though several other users report that they need to scroll when they view the site on an iPad and many other users report that they need to scroll even when using a high-resolution display.
So, I'm left either trusting you and your screenshot or the consensus of reports from other users. I know that I need to scroll on my P, C to see the text below the header. Further, even if I could trust the other screenshot, it appears that only in portrait mode can the sub-footer been seen without scrolling. How many users browse the web in portrait mode on their tablets? (I know I never do) How many do the same on their PC?
The point? Even if I could trust you, and there was some circumstance where scrolling was not necessary, the vast majority would need to scroll to find the text, which does not hint at the nature of the content (an apology).
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You have to go a few generations back to find a lower resolution screen I see. Have other phones even reached the pixel density that the iPhone introduced three generations ago?
Technology licensed from Audience in both cases. Although IIRC Apple has dumped Audience for their own noise cancellation technology.
Electronics are premade, but Foxconn machines the cases with extremely tight tolerances. Even the inlays have to be perfect to the fraction of a milimeter so it can't be felt (they actually take 29MP macro photos, then the system picks the best fitting one out of hundreds). The problem is making what is arguably the most powerful smartphone on the market fit in probably the smallest space of any current generation smartphone -- and then doing that to far tighter quality requirements than anyone else. Apple's manufacturing technology is one of the most innovative things about the company. It's probably why other phones often feel cheap.
No, I didn't say they were. Samsung and others are. And now even they are not part of the design picture anymore. Now it's an Apple design, and they're just acting as foundries.
And none of them invented NFC. It's just a feature based on decades-old technology Apple didn't feel necessary. Apple probably also wasn't too interested in exposing yet more attack vectors (RFID isn't known to be the most secure thing out there). How about something really useful? I think the only one to beat Apple to market with in-cell touch was Sony, and that's using an inferior pentile display. Now those screens are made by LG, but Apple has their own in-cell patents, so who knows what ways the tech's going.
True, some of Apple's genius is just recognizing good things and using them. Corning had shelved Gorilla Glass for decades until Jobs asked them to resurrect the technology for the first iPhone. If not for that, even Android users would probably still be on easily-scratched plastic screens.
And don't forget Apple's long-time method of operation. They're often not the first one to do it, but they are usually the first one to do it right.
they've turned off the normal redirect from apple.com to the UK website and aren't displaying it on the main apple.com website for UK visitors
I'm guessing, because Apple US, is a different company than Apple corporation (UK), and the court has no jurisdiction over Apple US.
And it's their countries. If Apple doesn't want to put the apology up as ordered, that's fine, but they shouldn't expect to be able to continue doing business in those countries.
The next step might be an order to replace the Home page of both Apple.com and Apple.co.uk IN THEIR ENTIRETY with the order in ASCII text format and no HTML, and 1000 empty lines before any additional content, or HTTP link to their ordinary front page content, and keep it that way, with no changes allowed for 30 days.
My point is that Apple bubbles inflated very fast, far beyond their ability to sustain it, especially considering the increased competition they are having to endure.
Yes, Google's bubble will eventually pop, but it may take a decade or more for it to happen, and Google has a lot of time to create safeguards, which they have actively being doing for some time now.
Apple's bubble, on the other hand is going to burst much sooner and they havent been doing much in order to safeguard themselves against the eventuality.
means never having to say that you're sorry. Kind of reminds me of the Mitt Romney book: "No apologies" Defiant and arrogant to the end. This is what thermonuclear war looks like.
REALLY?!?!?!?! This is news? A company, who thinks they are in the right. A company that won their case in the USA. Has made it hard to see a apology ordered by a court in the UK makes the apology hard to see without scrolling? There goes the world. EVERY COMPANY that makes a EULA that you have to agree to to use their application/game is in the same boat. Even Linux makes you scroll through a agreement, the GPL. You have to scroll to get the apology. Ugh why am I even wasting my time. It must be the booze.
Fining 10% of profits does not in and of itself cost jobs, as those are profits - therefore, the jobs can still be kept without causing loss to the company. So if Apple decides to fire people just to reinflate profits, I wouldn't exactly blame a court judgement for that.
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You're right - I just tried it. No scaling on the US site. The UK site is definitely scaling - no matter how I change the resolution, it is filling the page with the Mini ad, until I go to a very high resolution setting.
...Apple modified its website recently to ensure the message is never displayed without visitors having to scroll down to the bottom first.
The industry-term for something on your home page that you have to scroll to see is "below the fold." It comes from the newspaper industry. A standard broadsheet format newspaper (as opposed to a tabloid) would sit on a newsstand or in a news box folded in half. With this in mind, the layout editors intentionally put the most important stories "above the fold" on the front page, and the less-important stories that are still important enough to be front-page news go "below the fold."
Putting something below the fold, whether in print or online, is not hiding it. It's still on the front page. It's just saying "this isn't the most important content on the page." And in this case, the forced apology is not the most important content on Apple's home page... Apple sells products and services, not apologies. If the judges felt it was that important, they would have specified it had to be above the fold or at the top. But they didn't. Quite possibly because the concept of something being below the fold is foreign to them, since the British journalistic diet consists primarily of tabloids, which are designed to scream, "EVERYTHING ON THIS PAGE IS IMPORTANT! BUY ME NOW!!!"
Yeah, I rotated the image on my 26 inch monitor 90 degrees into portrait mode - still no-go.
UK and Samsung at Tanagra. Their arms closed.
In typesetting if you don't really want most people from reading a specific paragraph it is always best to put that paragraph at the bottom of the page and if possible put it in a sans-serif font while having all other fonts seriffed. Of course it also helps if you put said paragraph in a page with heavy coloured pictures which basically insures it won't be read by all but the most persistent reader. It must be noted in the UK Apple website all fonts are not seriffed however nearly all words are mainly for captions which is a very valid way of using sans-serif fonts (magazines do this all the time).
Don't believe me then go to here and scroll to the bottom, then try to read the paragraph without your eyes wanting to take a holiday.
Congratulations to Apple web designers for using a technique that typesetters knew over a hundred years ago and yes unless the judge is ignorant or does not care about typesetting (in this case web layout) tricks like this then I can see Apple being found in contempt.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
I've never seen anyone using a Mac or an Apple laptop of any sort in rotated mode. I'm sure its got its fans, but certainly a very rare occurrence.
1080p is crap mate.
"640 x 480 should be enough for anyone"? :)
Strat
Not true 80 x 24 is good enough. Got to love those chunky graphics :)
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
Yes I can display the page fully on my laptop display (1600x900). I don't need reading glasses I need a microscope. :)
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
Like herpes. The pain keeps coming back.
Trust me - no corporation in the world is losing 10% of profit without shedding jobs.
They're literally begging to be found in contempt.
That. Apple acts like a very sore loser.
The three laws of thermodynamics:(1) You can't win. (2) You can't break even. (3) You can't even quit.
Or they just close all their operations is the UK and sell through resellers who purchase their product in the USA.
The issue isn't that they put it on the bottom of the page, it's that they specifically put Javascript in the page to make sure it's NOT shown when you browse to the page, regardless of your monitor size (and instead a giant iPad Mini ad is displayed).
Judges tend not to like when people intentionally try to circumvent or ridicule their orders, especially after already telling them once that they were not following them. Not to mention this is a judge who based his decision partly on "coolness". He's already a bit unpredictable, if I were Apple I wouldn't want to taunt him...
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I wonder if a creative judge wouldn't have an original redress, like:
On apple.com, and all your international sites, in the languages you already display, you must display the apology in a click-thru manner, such as NO customer to any apple property is unaware that
Dear customers, we've been found before British court to have falsely accused samsung of theft. Moreover we've been found also by the british court, in contempt of court for not informing our british customers of such.
Please click here to continue to your normal apple site.
They obviously value publicity far more than money, and should be hit appropriately.
There's a good argument that the judge wouldn't have the power to order them to change any non-.co.uk sites, as they're not under his jurisdiction.
Why are you replying to your own post with a counter argument? Whoops... I think you forgot to log in with your alt!
Judges in UK don't get "sacked". Even if they make a bad bad judgment.
Though, if his judgments don't at least make a pretense of fairness and impartiality, he wouldn't ever have the chance of becoming a judge in the first place.
Don't quote me on this.
Being lawful has always been about obeying the exact and explicit letter of the law.
Nothing more and nothing less.
HINT: that's why lawyers EXIST, to argue what the exact explicit letter of the law actually said.
As long as Apple do exactly what they exact literal words said in the ruling then they are in compliance.
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This is also true in other Commonwealth countries, such as Australia, Canada, etc.
Most human behaviour can be explained in terms of identity.
I don't doubt that, but the point is that the company doesn't have to (unlike if you cut their revenues so much they were actually taking a loss). If they choose to do that, the blame rests with them and not with whatever caused the loss in profits.
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Which is weird because I loaded it in a vertically oriented portrait screen and... http://imgur.com/63l9U
You obviously aren't thinking about the secondary effects. A story on Slashdot advertises it to mainstream media. A Google search for Apple Hides Samsung Apology So It Can't Be Seen Without Scrolling gives a link to this story on the 22nd page of the search results: Apple accused of hiding U.K. Samsung 'apology' with code. A story on CNet may become mainstream news. Even if it doesn't, the story is traveling fast with 21 other pages of web sites.
A lot of people on Slashdot make comments that show they aren't thinking carefully. However, many people who do think carefully read Slashdot. The kind of person who thinks carefully has social power.
Apple has loudly advertised, "We can't be trusted. We're dishonest." People may think that, if Apple can so easily be sneaky about that, maybe the company can't be trusted to provide good hardware or service. Remember, those who buy hardware now are depending on the supplier for years to come.
Not sure what you are seeing, but I just went to the site. Turned my monitor so that it's 2560 pixels high and then maximized the browser. There the statement was, right at the bottom of the content, with about a thousand white pixels below it. Only thing different is that the layout of the page changed to be more appropriate for the shape of the display (1440x2560 rather than 2560x1440.) The script that manages this was last changed two weeks ago, long before the notice was added.
Not that your whole post comes off as incredibly biased or anything.
The image in question (http://images.apple.com/uk/home/images/hero.png) is 828x809 pixels. It's been there since 22 Oct 2012. The day before the announcement of the iPad mini:
$ telnet images.apple.com 80 /uk/home/images/hero.png HTTP/1.0
Trying 184.84.183.155...
Connected to images.apple.com (184.84.183.155).
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD
Host: images.apple.com
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Last-Modified: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:24:46 GMT
Server: Apache
nnCoection: close
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 448138
Content-Type: image/png
Cache-Control: max-age=2070
Expires: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:46:54 GMT
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:12:24 GMT
Connection: close
They're not making the image bigger when you make your browser window larger. They are making the image smaller to fit crappy small browser windows.
Apple's more recent success was in creating and filling a market that hadn't previously been properly established and expanded. Full credit to it for its imagination and high standards with regards to usability. Its success has also been to exploit the lackluster performance of Microsoft, which seemed to have become complacent in its market dominance. However Apple plays dirty, and it is worse than Microsoft in its lock-down and lock-in attitude to its systems. That is its weakness, and Google has had some success with Android because of this. Microsoft is the dark horse this time I think because if it can produce a software development platform that straddles the x86 architecture and also ARM, it can kick Apple's arse. Sadly, Linux once again is left a bit in the cold, except in its Android incarnation. I wish the hardware on smartphones and tablets was more open.
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So neither Apple nor Samsung nor microsoft invented NFC...
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But Apples superior screen resolution is a revolutionary feat by Apple, and not simply sourcing a high resolution display form whatever non-Apple company makes them?
Obviously the one that can't possibly grow much longer for lack of where to grow to, i. e., Apple. Everything else you posted is irrelevant to the argument in hand. You may dislike Google's policies and like Apple, but that has very little to do with both companies capacity to keep growing.
If you're going to make a claim like that, you might want to spare thirty seconds to check out the actual web sites.
US Site: No picture scaling UK Site: Picture scales to hide the bottom of the page.
Interestingly, it seems that every country site for Apple except the US one does the picture scaling.
Maybe you should go read the ruling, it's conveniently linked from Apple's website. But to save you the trouble, here is the link to the ruling of the Court of Appeal:
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2012/1339.html
Go read paragraph 85. I'll wait.
What do you know, Apple is in complete compliance.
What's more if you read paragraph 82 you'll note that the Court of Appeal didn't even have a problem with the quotes ("not as cool", etc.) being included. It was their inclusion of the ruling from the German courts that the Court of Appeal felt was confusing. Oh, and in paragraph 86 the judge reduced the amount of time that they have to maintain the statement.
Looks to me like Apple is complying and the Court of Appeal isn't too fussed in general.
The lawyers are probably going to get put in front of the bar for their shite advice to these pricks too.
You think the lawyers are advising MS to do this. I doubt it. More likely the lawyers are trying to tell Apple not to do this. If Apple keeps it up much longer, no lawyer in the EU is going to want to represent Apple.
What jurisdictions are these? The UK ruling covers the entire EU and overrides the local Germany ruling. The U.S. jury award was for copying the iPhone (likely due to the judge disallowing Samsung from introducing internal documents showing that the design of the F700 Apple claimed was a copy was actually established in-house before the iPhone was ever released), which was not at issue in the UK ruling. On the tablet front the U.S. jury actually cleared Samsung, finding that they did not copy the iPad.
So tell me, which jobs would be shed?
Which people are Apple employing unnecessarily, that they could currently shed to gain 10% additional profits, and have decided against shedding, but would shed to regain 10% of their profits?
If those jobs were surplus to the efficient and effective operations of the business, a corporation would already have shed them.
Sorry, I don't trust you at all.
They're not making the image bigger when you make your browser window larger. They are making the image smaller to fit crappy small browser windows...
...and then, they're stacking the heading on top of the image, with the link buttons underneath when you make your browser window larger.
If you can't make your window large enough to see it, try zooming the page out. Personally, at 1080p, I have to zoom out 4 times to see the footer without scrolling, making the text on the page smaller (in resolution, even a physically larger display wouldn't help that) than the average person would be able to read. Yes, I can read it at that zoom level, even on my 164." display, but that's only due to my 20/8 vision.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Exactly, PE ratio and debt-equity have nothing to do with growth ratios, and stagnation in growth ratio is what burst bubbles. Share prices can only keep artificially high while there is perspective of growth. As soon as growth stops share prices are soon to follow and companies start to sink.
Apple has an extremely restrict product portfolio, especially compared to Google in the real world (which is not your fantasy world), and Android is far from being a economical failure for Google as you paint, quite the opposite, actually.
But keep to your delusions. Lets see in a few years where Apple and Google stand and then you can come and apologize to me. I will be waiting.
For Apple to post a statement that purports to be from Apple stating that Samsung did not copy would be ridiculous, because it's already won judgments in other jurisdictions that say Samsung did copy.
Apple spread the suggestion that Samsung had infringed on their IP. A court found that Samsung did not infringe. The court has ruled that Apple make it clear that Samsung did not infringe, to correct the damage caused by their initial list.
You may call that juvenile. I consider it to be a reasonable request. Other jurisdictions are utterly irrelevant and the ruling didn't even demand that Apple state that Samsung didn't copy, merely draw attention to the lack of infringement and link to the case.
Let the people know their judges are looking to deceive them.
Please. Tell me how the judges are trying to deceive people. Quote the specific sentence or sentences in the transcript from the court. Because I've read it and the only attempts at deception that I can see come from Apple.
*sigh* You have no idea what you're talking about. For a bubble to exist, the stock must be *OVERVALUED*. Of the two stocks, Google is the one which is MORE overvalued by any measure you care to look at.
Really? Let's compare the two companies, based on the major components of their revenue streams:
Apple: Laptops, desktop computers, peripherals, tablets, phones, music players, set top boxes, music sales, app sales, software sales.
Google: Advertising.
Or did you think Gmail, G+, Youtube, and Chrome were Google's "products"? Those are known as loss leaders, which get people into Google's infrastructure, so Google can rape their privacy and sell the resulting data to their CUSTOMERS, the advertisers.
Android is not far from being an economical failure for Google - it *is* a financial failure. It makes them almost no money directly - Google dumped it into the market in order to prevent from being frozen out of the mobile advertising space. Except it turns out that that mobile advertising space isn't very lucrative, and now Google is struggling to find a way to make money off mobile advertising to replace its declining desktop advertising revenues. This is in their very public SEC filings - I'm not sure why you're trying to claim that I'm making this up - this is GOOGLE saying it.
This doesn't mean Android itself will fail - it won't fail any more than Linux could fail - the problem is, SAMSUNG is making all the profit off of Android, not Google. Which means that when Google eventually crashes and can't afford an Android development team, they'll either try and restrict it to their Motorola division only, leaving Samsung to try maintaining their own forked version, or they'll simply stop development, and all the handset manufacturers can go do their own thing with the latest code drop. It's not making Google money, it was intended to be a loss leader: "you get this awesome phone os to build phones with, and in return... we get all the money from advertising on them!"
In a few years, Apple will still be making strong money off its many devices (do you REALLY think they don't have additional products and features in their pipeline? please), Google will still be struggling to make money off advertising, and Microsoft will have chiseled a sizable (but still minority) share of the smartphone market largely on the backs of Android manufacturers leaving the market since they can't profitably compete with Samsung. At that point, I'll gladly welcome your concession that I was right, though i won't hold you to it - I know how hard it is for you without the constant pacifying effect of Google's dick in your mouth.
Sorry that they have to have The Same Argument, all over again, in every single petty-jurisdiction in The Known Universe.
This is easily avoided: Stop raising stupid fucking court cases in every single petty-jurisdiction in The Known Universe.
Apple's patents are just fucking bullshit. Trying to use them to stifle competition (while refusing to pay for other peoples' patents - including Samsung, who you suggest failed to Have Even A Single Original Idea, despite their patents being far more innovative than the crap Apple are suing over) deserves derision.
Apple isn't being asked to be sorry. Apple is being asked not to act like complete cunts. So far, they're failing miserably.
How about less fanboi?
I've had a look back through your comment history and I have to say you do seem to me to be a bit of an Apple fan, and you're certainly someone who seems to think Apple gets too much criticism on this site.
But in this instance you're flat-out wrong - as others have pointed out, getting a change this simple through on a major site really shouldn't take too long (48 hours should be more than adequate), and the code they've used makes it pretty clear they're being sleazy.
It's not unjustified criticism.
It's pretty obvious that Apple was the victim of Samsung making a concerted effort to copy their industry-leading product.
No, it's not. It's pretty obvious that technology advances build on previous advances, leading to different people/companies reaching the same point at the same time. It's also pretty obvious that Samsung devices were already exhibiting the characteristics that Apple are so precious about before Apple even released the iPhone.
Still, feel free to demonstrate some actual evidence. Because so far, it's been pretty fucking lacking.
The fact that there is an Android incarnation shows the strength of Linux.
Note that the screenshot I provided is for an external third-party display. No Apple display I'm aware of supports rotation, but the OS does support it for those third-party displays which can be rotated. I expect that the share of Mac users who rotate their non-Apple displays is roughly proportionate to Windows or Linux or other OS users who do the same, but I'm not aware of any data for that. But I doubt the feature would exist if it isn't used.
Which is because they have profit margin of a fashion company, rather then a tech one.
Since when are judges supposed to care about numbers of jobs? They're law-interpreting machines, not economic strategists. That's for the politicians to worry about.
The judge is going to smack them in the head for this. If they let it go, I would be absolutely shocked. It would have been easier to just do this in good faith the first time, and have it over with. Now, as I predicted, they're going to have to do this a third time. Just watch. Next week, we'll see an article. Judge might even hold them in contempt. I'm buying extra popcorn this week.
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Catching burglars would put them and their families out of income, yet, burglars are being caught and put in jail sometimes. Why would other criminals not get punished? If I was a judge, a company that openly defies the law repeatedly, would get all their assets confiscated and the management would be put in jail for leading a criminal organization. Apple is taking a big risk here and they are responsible for the consequences to their workers, not the judge.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
The USA courts never bothered about such a minute technicality. Why would the UK be any different?
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Sorry, way off-topic, but can you elaborate a bit on that?
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Good point.
And kudos to whomever spotted that script. I thought they were being sneaky using the light grey font so it didn't stand out. I popped the page over to my portrait monitor and sure enough the layout changes quite naturally to keep the Samsung notice out of sight.
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I see Apple once more under the effects of a court order related to this. Here's to hoping there's a sizable fine on the next order. If Apple's going to be that childish, they deserve to be slapped around a bit more.
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Does anyone else find it funny that people who hate Apple continue to call it an "apology" when a statement of facts is all that was required, or expected?
When confronted with one problem, some think "I'll use recursion". Now they are confronted with one problem.
Not only that, but the text color is light gray, a low contrast with the background. This is the sort of game cigarette companies used to play with cancer wanrings before the courts made it clear that such games would cost them dearly.
Look, Thug Apple using cigarette company tactics. Who woulda thinkit?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
UK judges have more leeway if anything. I'm looking forward to Monday.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Looks to me like Apple is complying and the Court of Appeal isn't too fussed in general.
Ha ha, you Apple apologists really break me up. Here's what really happened.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
It must really piss off the Linux community that the biggest *nix based consumer share doesn't belong to Linux, but OS X
You're on drugs man. The Android market share is five times the market share of iOS in the mobile space. Android is Linux. If you think Apple has the highest market share someone has put drugs in your CoolAid.
Understanding the written word isn't your strong suit, right?
First, he doesn#t claim that these numbers where measured at the same time (Blackberry: at their peak, Windows: still)
Also, these numbers are in part from different fields (Blackberry: smartphones, Windows: desktop/notebook OS, Samsung: smartphones)
And finally, it seems you made up the number for Samsung.
So: fail
So OSX is still the biggest but you have trouble accepting reality
Yes, you are right, OSX, with a 15% market share, is MUCH bigger than Android with 75% market share. Are you that mathematically challenged?
I suspect the reason behind this was less of a "hide this from the user" (although that may well have been a factor), but primarily one of "hide this from the web crawler". Judgments come and go, but web crawlers cache stuff forever. Apple probably doesn't want to have search results associate the judgement fiasco with it's main marketing site in perpetuity, hence this JS (the scrolling part ensures that even a web crawler which executes page onLoad JS, would likely not see this message and thus not cache it.
Wow. You need to work on your reading comprehension.
Put identity in the browser.
The judges' requirement seems at best very juvenile to me (not that either Apple and Samsung have been very mature in these court cases... but from a powdered wig-wearing British judge you'd expect some maturity). It's like asking a 5 year old to apologize to another 5 year old. You'll never get a real apology, you're not changing anything, and the rest of the 5 year olds are sitting there rolling their eyes. What Apple should have done was post a statement as directed but make it absolutely clear that:
By order of the court Apple is required to say "_______." despite the fact that courts in other countries have found that statement to be false. However, in deference to the court we are posting the statement as required and are eager to get back to doing what we do best: making great products for you (and hope that other companies not named Samsung will not offer you inferior attempts at copies of those products).
Comply with the letter of the law, but make it absolutely clear that these are not your words. Let the people know their judges are looking to deceive them.
Posting as you suggested above is what Apple should have done first time around; not act like a five year old, sticking up their finger while apologising. You make five year olds apologise in order to teach them how to function in society. Companies (and other organisations) can easily find themselves acting like five year olds since they don't have the same instinctive inhibitions that individuals have.
And "their judges are looking to deceive them" - are you saying that the judges are in Samsung's pocket?
Because he zoomed out.
Put identity in the browser.
It's posted and in full compliance
Actually, it appears not to be. This time the wording is wrong. Court stated the apology had to be on the first page linking to the verdict if so desired, but that is clearly not the case at the moment.
> Judgm_E_nt can actually be spelled without an E
i actually doubt that.
In some places it wins, some places it doesn't
Well, they haven't won anywhere yet. They won a case in the US, but that has yet to be appealed, and it seems quite likely it is going to be overthrown on appeal given the obvious problems in the original jury coupled with the fact that patents that the original case tried have since been rejected by the USPTO.
Remember, in the UK the courts decisions have been appeal, and Apple lost the appeal too, so that case is done and they did really lose it.
More importantly Samsung has diversity. Their top end Galaxy S3 has recently passed the 30 million sales mark, but they also do a large number of other phones and tablet devices. They also manufacture many of the components, including the CPUs and screens. Samsung has valuable patents on key phone related tech.
Apple has the iPhone and iPad. If they ever go out of fashion Apple is screwed.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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And Apple probably knows that.
Maybe they think they have the UK economy by the balls and can get away with it.
The Galaxy S3 just passed 30m sales, and is higher spec than the iPhone 5. The Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 are selling well and higher spec than the latest iPad and iPad Mini respectively. That would seem to suggest that this is a race to the top, one which Apple is now being overtaken in.
As for the lower end just look at Samsung's product line up. They have a lot of phone models, and they are selling a lot of units. They are developing their own new markets like the phone/tablet hybrid Galaxy Note range.
Apple does not have a monopoly on innovation, profit, creating new markets or aiming to be a leader at the high end.
Mark my words you'll see dual core 7 inch tablets for $50
You can already buy a reasonably usable Android phone for well under £100, and yet the Galaxy S3 which costs several times more is selling extremely well. Similarly you can buy a cheap car for £5000, but £20,000 cars still seem to be selling okay. You can buy a laptop for £300, but £1000 Ultrabooks and gaming laptops are still selling. Your logic is flawed.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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Not my claim, I was quoting, so do not expect me to be the one to defend his figures.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
To recycle an old joke (from Drop the Dead Donkey or Spitting Image)
"3 Across: not a racist comedian (7,5)" doesn't really count as a retraction.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
In other words, whoever originally quoted the figures is retarded.
It's like saying that a cricket team are better because they hit more runs than a boxer.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Ironically, at least two of the things you mention are of no interest at all to most of Apple's customers.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Really, troll, who cares? Apple is rapidly gaining a shit reputation in the tech world and this will spread to the broader markeplace in time. Just like what happened to Microsoft. Apple has publicly vowed to use the courts to destroy competition and ruin open source in the marketplace with dubious,obvious software-patents that should have never been filed and should have never been granted. This will come back and bite them in the ass eventually. Samsung has already vacated their touchscreen contract with Apple, and Sharp(Apple's new LCD partner) has just claimed that they don't know if they will remain in existence next year, leaving LG to pick up the slack. LG does not have the capacity nor the quality of Samsung screens. Apple may well have to spend some of their "thermonuclear war" money and get into the screen manufacturing business or come to market with substandard screens. Their antics in court (telling a judge to set a price for FRAND patents below $1 or they will not repect the price the judge sets, and, disrespecting a UK court order. among other arrogant behaviour) showcases their arrogance to the world. Already I meet people who are not technically inclined and they would not purchase Apple products because they have "heard" that Apple is a litigious company and sues their competitors for a rectange with rounded corners. I never though regular Joes would know about these things but the truth is going mainstream now so give it time. The market will eventually come around.
The judges should require that since Apple will not do the right thing, that they must put the apology on their front page, OR, they will recquire that Apple take out full page ads in ALL of the major papers in the USA and UK.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
They keep drawing more press coverage to it. The sheer stupidity of their decision making is baffling, had they done it properly this would have been out of the news a week ago.
Reading through the comments I used your links to compare sites but couldn't see anything odd - I could see the notice at the bottom of the UK site when bringing the browser to fullscreen. THEN I turned off NoScript.
Aah. Right. Any hint of the declaration and link got shoved off the bottom as the iMingy ad expanded to fill the client area.
The HTML source makes interesting reading too, mainly for the position of the declaration and link - at the bottom of the footer instead of being within the main body. No hint of contempt, is there? Not just to the court but to everybody - probably including the iFaithfull.
" The Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 are selling well and higher spec than the latest iPad and iPad Mini respectively"
Uh really -higher specced?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
As far as "selling well"....
Less than 3 million in 3 months?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57542796-94/asus-nexus-7-sales-climb-toward-1-million-a-month/
Apple and Samsung, at Tanagra.
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submit an apology
Look, I know you fat virgins are vested in the Holy Google but, really, how many times does it need to be said before it penetrates your fat, neckbeard having head? The court did not order an apology. Neither did the court order that there should be no scrolling required.
Honestly, the Google/Samsung Defence Force shit on Slashdot is just fucking ridiculous. It's 1000% worse than any Apple fanboyism ever was and it just ruins this site.
It isn't necessarily about making money, IMO. It is about creating an ecosystem that allows their existing product to continue to thrive.
I think that you have missed the fact that Microsoft is foremost a software company and have had no problems in the past being the dominant player in other peoples ecosystems. Pretty much every home computer that you could buy in the late 70's to early 80's featured at its forefront a Microsoft BASIC, often baked right into a ROM chip that they booted to. Even Apples computers ran Microsoft BASIC. While at the time software companies werent making much money (any of them), Microsoft was already at the forefront.
When Microsoft bailed Apple out the year noted in my signature, one of the conditions that Apple insisted on is that Microsoft continued to produce Office for Macintosh computers. Microsoft was so dominant on Apple's ecosystem that the very survival of Apple depended upon Microsoft continuing to support the platform.
Currently Microsoft is trying to get into the hardware game, but this is probably a mistake, but not because it wont work.. but because its much easier to just write software for whatever is in vogue. Microsofts biggest recent mistake is probably neglecting to jump early onto the Android bandwagon. They seem to be moving to rectify this, as a Microsoft product manager has recently confirmed Office 2013 for both iOS and Android.
Look at how quickly hardware manufacturers go from top-3 to being seriously fucked. Motorola? Palm? Nokia? RIM? Being a hardware manufacturer is only great if you continue to be great at it. Once you make a single mis-step, or if someone else comes along and is even better at being great, then you lose your user base so you also lose the edge in your software base and there is simply no recovery from that.
Its good to be a software company.
"His name was James Damore."
JAGga.me ----> Producing video games addressing emotional health and wellness issues affecting teens.
Really? FOUR links in the summary and not a single one to the actual web page in question? Good grief.
Please consider this account deleted, I just can't be bothered with the spam anymore.
Stop being a fucking prick and post an article that has a link to the actual offending site instead of three links to sites that talk about the offending sites. In other words, stop being a fucking prick, timothy.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
The whole black rectangle thing is a dead giveaway. iPad is way cooler though.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Why isn't it up to the court to dictate what's acceptable? If Apple is complying with the letter of what the court demanded, how are they being contemptuous?
Benford's Corollary to Clarke's Law: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
Following it in black and white, that is all they are obligated to do. They dont have to comply with the 'spirit' which is a nebulous concept that isn't a legal definition. If the judge doesn't like the results, he can add more requirements i assume. Then he can be disbarred for having a personal agenda perhaps.
Not a apple fan-boy here, just begin realistic. This is all anyone has to do, follow the law, as it is written.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
How strange, the consensus is that you have to scroll, and that regardless of your resolution the bottom is hidden even when you resize the window (again unless you scroll). Weird how you have a different experience to almost everyone else. Do you use noscript perchance? Or maybe the rest of us are using 1024 resolution without realising.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I there any company that has so swiftly turned from the path of innovation to litigation, and proven itself a more sore loser than Apple? The cynic in me says that Apple is on the swift, sure way to suicide.
--Udo.
Google makes money by violating user privacy for the benefit of its customers, the advertisers.
I think you are reaching a bit there. Or I could say apple makes money selling crap to fanbois that lock them in so they cant use anything else.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
The beast at Tanagra.
I don't know, I just opened the UK site on my MacBook Pro 17" and a simple scroll down one screen height easily shows the statement. Scrolling with two finger gesture as normal on the Mac trackpad, it automatically stops at the bottom of the page. With the U.S. site it is a shorter page, granted, but it would still be on the second page and would still show up the same way. The U.S. design is also very "in-your-face" to an embarrassing extent, whereas the UK design is more conservative and I do not think it reflects the kind of weaseling that everyone is freaking out about - that I was angry about too "they are so going to get clobbered" I thought, until I actually checked the links you kindly posted. ///, then hated them to the core when they killed the ///... it continues from there). As for the person who said they would fine Apple 10% of profits for this, I think it is crazy. Not a dizzy fanboy though I like my 2009 MBP, this story is just not news.
You and everyone else are absolutely blowing it out of proportion. What a dumb story. Apple does plenty of dumb things, and I have had a love-hate relationship with them for 30 years (loved Apple ][ and Apple
How many people stand sideways to work on their laptop?
Very few. It's more likely to see someone plugging in an external monitor, and as BasilBrush and omfgnosis point out, Mac OS X supports third-party portrait monitors. The next question is how many people actually buy one of those for their Mac.
obviously the primary displays on those are not portrait displays
Your argument is absurd.
It's not absurd, just an edge case. Though third-party portrait monitors work fine, a Mac user who is not a print graphics professional more than likely doesn't own one.
Well, they pissed on the judge once, and he was a little pissed-on, now they have pissed on him twice, so I expect him to tell Apple to place a large banner right up front and on top, and to use a visible type face...
How many people stand sideways to work on their laptop? Your argument is absurd.
Nobody. As I said the primary displays are not portrait on laptops and the iMac. But secondary displays can be. There's nothing absurd about my answer to the OPs question. Just your lack of comprehension.
The greatest apology ever written was one Mark Steyn wrote to himself, on behalf of a newspaper that had screwed up an earlier apology to him. The paper had to print Steyn's new apology as a settlement with him.
"The Ottawa Citizen and Southam News wish to apologize for our apology to Mark Steyn. In correcting the incorrect statements about Mr. Steyn, published Oct. 15, we incorrectly published the incorrect correction. We accept and regret that our original regrets were unacceptable, and we apologize to Mr. Steyn for any distress caused by our previous apology."
First, I laughed. Then I cried when I realize how sad it is I got the joke.
So after pissing off the court once by refusing to comply with a legitimate order, Apple tries once again to "outsmart" the judge. I can't imagine what the company thinks it's going to accomplish with these shenanigans or how it could possibly think that this is a good idea. It's merely broadcasting the message that: a) it doesn't understand how legal systems work; but b) it thinks it's smarter than the judge; and c) it has contempt for both. "Well, Your Honor, I know you ordered me to stop harrassing my wife, but I merely burned her house down. I never said a word to her personally. So you can't touch me, ha-ha!" Fanboy geeks out of control trying to play with the grownups and just looking foolish. Incomprehensible behavior.
E.g. Apple's UK turnover in the UK for the last 3 years is £3,000,000,000. How much profit, and hence tax does it pay in the UK. 0%.
That isn't true. They might pay no Corporation Tax, and we can debate the economics and/or ethical implications of that. However, they almost certainly pay large amounts of VAT, make a lot of employers' National Insurance contributions, and pay various other taxes connected with the operations of their business within the UK.
(Posting AC to avoid undoing moderations. Sorry, I don't usually abuse the system like this, but the position in the parent post is unfortunately common even though it's completely wrong, so I think someone had to correct it.)
Maybe in Apple's eyes there is no downside. To them, and their customers, poking the Judges in the eye is funny. If they have to do it again that's OK and they will do something else they think is funny.
They are following the court order so what exactly is the problem?
Are agnostics skeptical of unicorns too?
It required that it be on their "home page" The obvious subtext here is that the intent is such that user interaction would not be required (clicking a link, to give an example) in order to see the notice... if that were not the case, the requirement that it be on their home page, explicitly, would not exist, and they simply would have made the requirement that it be *easily accessible* from their home page
While yes, they do have something on their home page about this, it is *NOT* positioned such that it does not require user interaction to view. They are resizing the contents of their page to always keep the footer of the browser window below the bottom of the window, which quite strongly comes across as an even more deliberate attempt to hide it than a plain old link on their home page.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Not everyone has a piss-poor memory.
Not everyone is as big a liar as you.
Nexus 10 vs. iPad 4
Screen - Nexus 10 has higher resolution, higher DPI
Sound - Nexus 10 has better front facing speakers
Weight - Nexus 10 is lighter
Wifi - 300Mbps on both
Multitasking - Nexus 10 by far
Connections - Nexus 10 has USB and HDMI
NFC - Nexus 10 has dual NFC, iPad has none
Battery - About the same
Browser - Nexus 10 supports flash
Maps/Navigation - Nexus 10
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I've stumbled across a couple of machines running MS-DOS and ancient accounts packages when auditing organisations. They're normally tucked away in a long forgotten corner and run by some old dear who has been using it for years and knows all the quirks.
The problem isn't the software, it still works and does the job, However, people insist on replacing the old hardware with a network manageable PCBox, breaking the old app in the process. Why these things can't be treated as a standalone appliance and left alone is beyond me.
They can't keep up for the simple reason that they are riding a bubble, and sooner or later the bubble will pop, as it happens to all bubbles.
You are right, Android is doomed.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
"Weight - Nexus 10 is lighter"
A whopping .11 pounds -- for a tablet that is much slower.
"Wifi - 300Mbps on both"
And no cellular option....
"Multitasking - Nexus 10 by far"
So real world how is the multitasking better?
"NFC - Nexus 10 has dual NFC, iPad has none"
And what exactly can you do with NFC today?
"Browser - Nexus 10 supports flash"
Uhh no. You have heard that Adobe has abandoned Flash for Android haven't you?
"Maps/Navigation - Nexus 10"
So Google Maps is better than *every single maps app* available for the iOS? And seeing that the only way that a GPS is usable is that you have to pay for an app that downloads all of its data to the device -- since the Nexus 10 doesn't have any cellular options.-- that;s really a wash.
Which is because they have profit margin of a fashion company, rather then a tech one.
I'm sure Cisco has higher margins on their stuff than Apple. And certainly is not the only tech company who does. What you wanted to say was "commodity tech company".
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Cisco has large scale B2B profits. This is yet another different market.
Unlike popular culture would have you believe, there's far more to the economy then private consumption.
A whopping .11 pounds -- for a tablet that is much slower.
Didn't seem to stop Apple touting how the latest iPhone was a few grammes lighter and 1mm thinner than the last one. Actually the Nexus 10 is thinner than the iPad 4 as well.
So real world how is the multitasking better?
You can switch between apps without closing them. I do it all the time, flicking from G+ to the browser to notes to email to Currents or any of half a dozen newspaper apps. I can run a speed camera warning app in the background as I drive, listening to music or taking hands-free calls or doing navigation. I run a GPS logging app when out taking photos on my DSLR camera so I can geotag them later, and can still use the phone normally thanks to true multitasking.
And what exactly can you do with NFC today?
Transfer contacts, URLs, photos, videos, anything really. I can also pay for stuff.
And no, you can't pay for stuff with Passbook, and yes there are a dozen equivalent apps for Android that have been around for years. I was kind of surprised when Apple announced Passbook actually, were there really no apps like that for iOS before?
So Google Maps is better than *every single maps app* available for the iOS?
Yes.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Cisco has large scale B2B profits. This is yet another different market.
Unlike popular culture would have you believe, there's far more to the economy then private consumption.
So you admit you were wrong, and I was right, and still pretend it was the other way around.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
1. Apple has profit margins of a fashion company, not a tech one.
2. Cisco has most of its profit margins in large scale B2B.
What exactly is wrong with either of two above statements?
It doesn't look hidden to me at all. It's right there at the bottom of the page, and I can see it without scrolling at all.
You never let the opportunity to lie for Apple's advantage go past you. I have to admire your tenacity, yet loathe your dishonesty.
I always feel like I got something on me after seeing a BasilBrush post.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
"You can switch between apps without closing them. I do it all the time, flicking from G+ to the browser to notes to email to Currents or any of half a dozen newspaper apps. I can run a speed camera warning app in the background as I drive, listening to music or taking hands-free calls or doing navigation. I run a GPS logging app when out taking photos on my DSLR camera so I can geotag them later, and can still use the phone normally thanks to true multitasking."
You've been able to do that since iOS 4 -- released in 2010.
"Transfer contacts, URLs, photos, videos, anything really."
You mean all the things you can do with SMS.....
"I can also pay for stuff."
So you're going to take out a 10" tablet to pay for stuff?
"Yes."
And you've tried them *all* And I'm sure Google Maps is just great without 3G coverage...that none of the Nexus 10's have,
I once had a DPS trooper chase me on 35 while I was on my Ninja all the way from Kyle to school in San Marcos without my knowing it (extreme speed). He finally caught me at the Aquarina Springs drive exit. What a bad day that was.
Hahaha - cops around here love a good chase! As you can imagine, I live way out in the countryside. About once a year, someone tries to run from the police out towards our neck of the woods, and they invariably wreck their car and try to run into the corn fields. The police bring a team with dogs and machine guns and dig them out. Happened again about 6 weeks ago - three 19-year old burglars from Buda and South Austin. One stayed in the car and two others took off into the fields and hid - one of them hid out for 5 hours before getting caught. Crazy stuff!
Why isn't it up to the court to dictate what's acceptable? If Apple is complying with the letter of what the court demanded, how are they being contemptuous?
Because of an expectation of integrity. Introducing a mandatory user action (a scroll) takes the content off the home page.
That seems to be what was once true. What's becoming apparent is that Tim Cooke has a radically different view of where to take Apple than Jobs ever did. For instance I don't see Jobs ever seriously entertaining the idea of introducing products which don't expect to succeed on their own so much as simply take up space and market share in order to chase out competitors as the current roll out of iPad models seems to indicate. Cooke appears to view his product line more like endless rows of vaguely different cereal boxes in the supermarket which are there just to occupy the most shelf space.
Apple has no debt. Did you factor that in?
70% of Apple shareholders are institutional share holders (banks, credit unions, governments). Did you factor that in?
Obviously you didn't as you're still banging on about other numbers. Apple's stock is still overpriced, their product is nearing the point of maximum saturation (currently in the laggards part of the diffusion of innovation) and when that happens, the stock will drop. After that happens, the institutional stock holders will cash out (as that's their entire reason for holding stock that doesn't pay divs), with approx 70% of stockholders doing this the drop becomes more of a snowball effect, sales of the stock cause the price to drop even further.
Basically, Apple's stock value is a giant bubble waiting to burst. When the institutional share holders cash out, it's the mum and pop share holders that will be left with stock that is not worth what they paid for it.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
*sigh*..I second that. I saw it only a few weeks back, too.
i would believe your failure comes from assuming that if windows has a market share of 75%+ and samsung sells more smartphones, then it must have a market share of at least 75%.
windows is not a smartphone manufacturer. it is an operating system for PCs, tablets and phones.
windows and samsung could both have 100% market shares in their areas at the same time.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
it's more like saying the Ugandan olympic team isn'tdominating because the british soccer team - in their prime averaged twice as many goals as them, the current south african boxer is better than theirs, and the norweigan runner is faster than theirs.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
Samsung make the Apple A series CPUs too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6X
Manufactured by Samsung on a High-K metal gate (HKMG) 32 nm process
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
And I'm sure Google Maps is just great without 3G coverage...that none of the Nexus 10's have
luckily i can quite easily use my phone which has 3G coverage as a wi-fi hotspot. i'd be surprised if there are any smartphones that can't do this out of the box. id also be surprised if many people who owned a tablet didn't have a smartphone.
as i cant ever see a time anyone would have their tablet and not their phone - i don't understand the purpose of having 3G in a tablet. why pay for two 3G services when you can just have both devices use the one?
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
And if you actually do happen to notice the apology text and click on the link to the judgement info, the font that they use is not the same as what they use everywhere else on their site. It is so small and tight that it hurts the eyes to read it.
http://www.apple.com/uk/legal-judgement/
Good work, Apple!
one fact, out of 7 billion humans, the majority are poor, the majority will use android phones as they cost $50USD. None except rich top 1% will use iOS.
So 5 billion android users, vs 1-2 billion iOS.
Apple has no chance.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
So if that's the case, what's the use of having NFC on a tablet?
You seem to be in the same fantasy world where people think the next quarter is all there is. Very few Google services endure losses. Most of them give them modest revenues but a solid, and most time dominant, market presence. Unlike most companies Google works with long term goals and understands that market dominance and diversity, as long as they can be banked are worth a lot in the long term.
Apple does not manufacture its own hardware, and a great part of its software is made by third parties. Following your own poor excuse for a logic, while Google lives solely from advertisement, Apple lives solely from aesthetic design and brand, and those things are only as good as the next trend.
But enough of nonsense. If you are so confident about Apple, by all means, Invest all your money in Apple shares and just wait. We will see who is right soon enough.
Depends, my friend. If milk suddenly becomes scarce it will be important to have the milk market cornered. Google has dominance in a lot of markets and although some give modest revenues today, and some may even endure with small losses. Unlike most myopic companies we have these days, Google plans for the long term, and they do it very well.
Once Android's long tail integrates to more than Apple's gated community (as it must if Apple holds firm on price), Android application development begins to take front seat to iOS applications, eating away at the prestige of Apple having the largest buffet.
It's a nice middle game and a lousy end game.
Debt is just an operating cost as long the company can afford it. I don't see how it changes the equation?
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Select that second drop down list and switch from "Standard" to "Portrait" and the selection of x\by-y resolutions will change to a valid set of portrait-mode resolutions.
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Tadaa! or La voila (with an accent placed as necessary)! whichever you prefer.
Also, MS isn't playing the race to the bottom game. They are happy to let their oem friends handle that. The Surface is *very* nice hardware and is priced accordingly.
Ooohh contempt of court!!! The judge can send them to jail for as long as it takes them to do the appologie correctly :)
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
They could make the regional redirect for UK visitors push them to the click-through, though. The Judge could also stipulate size, placement, wording, and pretty much any other factor governing it.
Bonus points is he makes Apple put the "I've read this" check box in the exact same script currently used to hide the bottom of the page.
Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
Irrelevant. 15% of the personal computer market and 75% of the smartphone market, really is not comparing apples and oranges, right? Right?
Wrong, my failure comes from assuming that other people can read what was written. I am stupid enough to think that other people will follow... The original said 50%, 75% and 75%+ of users. If you really want to argue you should be masturbating about users can use more than one system but that would still fail to correct his mistake as the figures he laid out are still wrong even if that was what he was trying to say.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
I have ever seen on /.
What a fucking waste of bandwidth.
Fuck you very much.
That is all.
What jobs? Oh, you mean those indentured workers over in China? You really think people are going to cry about that?
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
No more then a judge would not have the power over other countries judgement, oh wait that already happened in the microsoft case.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
No more then a judge would not have the power over other countries judgement, oh wait that already happened in the microsoft case.
Going on the assumption that you're not trolling, but have simply been fed the wrong information, I'll help: the judge there didn't override the other country's judgement or otherwise exceed his jurisdiction. Rather, in Germany, it's not a court that enforces an injunction, but a plaintiff. The judge here placed an injunction on Google ordering them not to exercise their power to enforce the German injunction.
Here's an analogy... A German court says "you win this case, and will receive $10 fro the defendant. But first, you have to come here, visit the clerk's office, and sign this form." The US court then says, "you aren't allowed to travel to Germany." It's not exceeding its jurisdiction, nor is it overturning the German decision... but you're nonetheless stopped from enforcing that earlier judgement.
From a policy perspective, it makes sense too... The Microsoft-Google case was already going on in this country, when Google tried to run around it by doing a fast-track decision in Germany. That's not fair, because it allows you to game the system by filing in multiple places simultaneously on the same case, taking the winning judgement and dropping all of the others. In this country, to prevent exactly that, we have systems of estoppel and res judicata that makes someone bound to a decision by one court on an issue - or bound to argument they make on that issue in court - even if they try to go to another court. There's no such international rule, but it still should be prevented in the interests of fairness.
Clearer?
he never said 75+ for samsung.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
not all phones have NFC so it could still be useful for Paypass/unlocking things e.t.c. *although i personally wouldn't want to get a tablet out to do these things - wallet/security cards would be easier.
also NFC is 2 way communication so is also good for transferring content and has many other uses
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
So let me get this straight, NFC is useful on a tablet because not everyone has a phone but having cellular connection on a tablet is not useful because everyone has a phone....
Hidden in the Bible? Get real. Six paragraphs, and the first and fifth constitute the required message. The second introduces short excerpts from the judgment in the third and fourth. The sixth refers to rulings in other jurisdictions. In addition, only the two required paragraphs have links, which immediately makes them stand out to the reader.
That's not hidden. That just contains stuff that Apple haters and the judge would rather people not know.
Really? I just looked at Wikipedia's page on List of Displays by Pixel Density for current phones. iPhone at 326 ...
The just released in China Huawei Ascend D has barely more at 330 (although stated 326 elsewhere), but it's a pentile display, so it doesn't quite compare, having fewer actual elements on the screen than the iPhone.
I see a few of LG's latest phones equal or barely exceed the iPhone, and a Nokia does.
Looking down I see a few other modern phones that have surpassed the iPhone.
However, this group of phones at or higher than the iPhone are the small minority of phones on the market. Thus, "it's tough to find a phone that doesn't have a higher PPI than Apple" is absolutely false.
Now that it appears Android phones have caught up in resolution, they will be in the running when I'm looking to upgrade from my 4S, if their screen isn't too big, and they aren't pentile. With this race for ever-bigger screens, I'm not holding out hope on the screen size.
NFC is usefull on a tablet because 1. not all smartphones have NFC. And 2. NFC has uses that make it worthwile on every mobile device one person owns as opposed to just needing one device with NFC.
cellular connection is not all that usefull as all* smartphones have both a cellular connection and can be used as a hotspot, therefore there is only the need to for 1 device with cellular connection per person.
to recap -
NFC: 1.usefull on all devices a person owns & 2. Not available on all smartphones.
Cellular Connection: 1: only required on one device a person owns(as long as that can be shared) & 2. available on all* smartphones(to be shared)
*there may be current smartphones that can't be used as a hotspot but i don't know of any.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
There are plenty of smart phone plans that don't allow tethering - including the grandfathered unlimited plans on both AT&T and Verizon. Besides that, smart phone penetration is only 50% in the US.
my stated assumption was that people with tablets generally own smartphones.
carriers can't restrict/overcharge tethering in Australia, and i was under the impression the case was the same in the U.S (as part of the Open access provisions on the 700MHz C Block spectrum.)
Back in July Verizon was supposed to drop objections to the 11 tethering apps it had pulled from the android marketplace
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
Except Apple actually has patents for their displays, and has a history of helping manufacturers get up to speed in producing their products. In some cases Apple blindly sources like everyone else, but in many Apple was involved in the building of the production facilities, the tooling, and the design of the production system itself.
You mean something any kid can put together in his bedroom? It is sad though that Apple seems to be neglecting the pro market. The Mac Pro is downright embarrassing in that otherwise top-end product lineup.
And the word ecosystem is thrown in as if Apple is the only company that can pull that one.
I don't have a Surface and I don't intend to, but I heard it's supposed to discover an XBOX at your house and connect to it, and do things such as show maps on the display, etc. Not bad - and not impossible to make.
Same thing with the Zune. I don't know what was bad about it - it just got bad press from Apple blogger/cocksuckers. But it had interesting features (like sharing music with other zunes in the room). And it didn't look bad, and the UI didn't look bad either. Zune is an example of a product that failed because of bad press from competition.
I'm not a microsoft apologist - but I don't think it's fair to say only apple can make an "ecosystem".
In the holy words of the meme, "obvious troll is obvious".
The irony is that your post shows promise, including a few bits of factual truth mingled in with the fanboyish flamebating. It's just that good trolling requires a lighter touch. As it is, your post is only half a step above GNAA, and only by virtue of being at least peripherally on-topic.
Better luck next time, and remember... subtlety will serve you much better.
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
It's not slashdot, "per se", but the readership is generally composed of computer nerds/geeks who like to get into the internals of SW + HW -- both things apple tries to prevent. I.e. Apple is closed source, closed platform, and tries to keep most of the curious readership here, out of their stuff. They shut us out -- and try to control those who develop for their platform in odious fashion.
Why *wouldn't* your average slashdot reader dislike Apple? They are worse than MS -- and things have never been real positive about MS -- but Apple is by far worse -- as it's also trendy and into image over substance -- something something nerds/geeks usually aren't.
Apple tends to sue people who try to develop compatible solutions -- not open source or open platform -- again.. anathema to slashdot's roots.
Why wouldn't any SW / HW / computer person being against Apple -- they are against user's being able to "own" their devices... and tinker with them.. They are against the soul of most computer developers/geeks/nerds.
If Apple has the margins of a fashion company, does that make Cisco even more fashionable since their margins are higher?
The market they sell into is meaningless, your original statement said absolutely nothing about their customer base, just their profit margins. Since Cisco's profit margins are higher than Apple's, therefore they must be even more of a fashion company than Apple, according to your original statement.
Changing your statement now, to try to make it mean something completely different, isn't helping. What you said is right there for all the world to see.
Just take your lumps. We all make mistakes.
Moof!
"I refuse to use my common sense to even the tiniest amounts and will instead engage in fox news-like rush to the lowest denominator while pretending to be upholding the discussion".
I apologize for my mistake in assuming that slashdot visitors were not in that particular group and holding the local readership to a somewhat higher intellectual standard. Your correction has been duly noted.
Well, there goes another few dozen neurons to a completly useless fact.