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Microsoft's Hidden Windows 8 Feature: Ads
MojoKid writes "Despite the fact that I've been using Windows 8 for the past three weeks, I somehow managed to overlook a rather stark feature in the OS: ads. No, we're not talking about ads cluttering up the desktop or login screen (thankfully), but rather ads that can be found inside of some Modern UI apps that Windows ships with. That includes Finance, Weather, Travel, News and so forth. On previous mobile platforms, such as iOS and Android, seeing ads inside of free apps hasn't been uncommon. It's a way for the developer to get paid while allowing the user to have the app for free. However, while people can expect ads in a free app, no one expects ads in a piece of software that they just paid good money for."
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I only pay for applications with bad money instead of good money, so I'm fine with the ads.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
I can hardly believe this article was posted without researching the EULA. I would imagine it addresses this new feature. If it does, that's not news (other than the usual EULA hilarity). If it does not, that's news.
That is all.
Didn't Microsoft pull this same joke with Windows Phone 7? And Zune apps?
send Microsoft your monthly Internet bill, so they can pay for the bandwidth those ads use.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
It's all of those silly Bing! apps that nobody wants to use anyway. Stop being a crybaby.
This kind of caught me off guard too. The music App started showing me ads, and not just little images off to the side, but full screen videos asking me to sign up for a subscription. I thought that the :"Music" app was what I was supposed to use to listen to the music I already owned. Not some nagware that tried to convince me to buy more music off the MS specific store. I promptly removed the music from my desktop after that and just went to download Winamp, since WMP and the new music app were completely unable to play FLAC files anyway. I can't see how MS isn't going to get in trouble for this one. If they got in trouble for doing it with browsers, which were mostly free anyway, even before they started including them, just think of how Apple is going to react to MS embedding a music store in the OS, or Steam is going to react to adding a games store in the OS.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I guess Tanenbaum will have to add a new chapter to the next printing of his Operating Systems textbook.
Sounds like cable TV.
Well, on the bright side, maybe you didn't expect ads in software you paid for, but next time you will. You sound like someone in 1993 complaining that Windows sucks, and that's ok. Nothing wrong with that. But the guy saying the same thing in 1998, even if it's equally true, sounds like a moron because he didn't have any expectations of it not sucking. Don't be that guy in 2017.
Let's get back to ignoring that irrelevant company, now. More than enough time has been spent covering their newest product.
What - Like Angry Birds on the iPad?? http://www.iosnoops.com/2011/03/17/angry-birds-hd-advertising-screw-up-why-ads-in-paid-apps-are-a-big-no-no/
people will pay money to be walking billboards, I think that having ads in paid for software is expected.
Been around a while in games (the launchers), print media, TV
Paying for ads is nothing new. Desirable? no, but not unexpected.
You paid MS to license Windows8. You didn't buy a copy. Ergo, you are agreeing to pay MS a specified sum of money to view ads which happen to come with programs that you can also use.
Is there, or has there ever been, ANY reason why you would put Windows 8 on a desktop or laptop? There's not a single positive new feature or advantage of it that I've heard of. And I'm being serious, I really haven't heard one thing it does new or better than 7.
Phones/Tablets, I can understand, but why would you on a desktop or laptop?
From Microsoft Wallet.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
I'd almost forgotten why i shun microsoft. This is a good reminder.
I never see ads in Linux, even when using free apps.
How is this a Windows 8 Feature though and not something that the developer embedded into her app?
does the windows firewall have an exception for this stuff????
or are the ads built-in to the OS?
either case is bad imho - REALLY bad
seriously, the gui alone on win8 is a nail in coffin type of thing, but ads are even more so imho
One more reason to exercise "down"grade rights.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Because clearly they won't be making much money in any other format soon.
Microsoft has been putting ads in for quite some time, even though XBox Live is a paid service.
Oh you mean nobody expects ads in something they pay for, like I dunno, Xbox Live? Oh wait that's a Microsoft product too....
I have dual boot Ubuntu and XP. Ubuntu is taking the spot as my main OS more and more lately, and XP is there just for legacy apps.
My wife likes Linux, though has XP on her dying laptop.
We were considering going OS X and MacBook, but Apple's stringent control is to the liking of neither of us (and she's the opposite of a techie). And the rumour of moving to ARM?
Thus, when her laptop dies, she'll get a new one with either Ubuntu or Mint, and our move to the next, new, modern operating system will bypass the Windows "ecosystem" altogether.
P.S. Oh yeah, both our iPhones will be replaced by Android...
You paid money for the OS. When an OS component has an ad, feel free to get angry. In the meantime, get over it. You don't have to use Microsoft free software. You can choose to download your own. Hell, this is Slashdot, you should be making your own, releasing the source, and publishing it to the Microsoft Store. Anyone who's unboxed a new computer will know that this is true. You just paid ______ computer company $____ for a computer! How dare they install advertisements, trialware, and crap software on your computer! Same issue, different company.
The Treasury Department should sell advertising space on currency. Think how much we could raise with "The $20 bill, brought to you by McDonald's."
Consider it an extra hint about what you're supposed to do with all the crapware they install on your computer the moment you start it up. None of the shit that comes with Windows or OEM bundles is worth the price you paid for it, so just tilt it all into the shredder and go out and find windows ports of all the free Linux apps that provide better functionality without all the bullshit.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
They're so targeted to my interests, it actually adds value to the experience? It makes it easier and more intuitive to find the products I need? The costs would otherwise be passed on to the consumer?
Fuck you.
This gives me a gut feeling all the programs you install could be used for ads more targeted than ever before....
Forget your search history, these could use data from your whole internet history, downloads, desktop, start menu...
867-5309 !!
Ask for Jenny !!
Via custom hosts files, which are better than other solutions like AdBlock... how so? Ok:
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1.) AdBlock operates on Mozilla products
2.) AdBlock's written in slower interpreted javascript/perl/python (vs. the IP stack written in C & Assembly languages, FAR faster)...
3.) AdBlock operates in SLOWER ring 3/rpl 3/usermode, LAYERED OVER ALREADY SLOWER ring 3/rpl 3/usermode apps in browsers (vs. custom hosts operating in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode, merely acting as a filter for the IP stack which is written in C & Assembly language - FAR faster!).
4.) AdBlock also can't speedup your favorite sites via "hardcoded" hosts file entries of your fav. sites.
5.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. DNS poisoning (as well as making access to your fav. sites more reliable)
... and more where it's inferior to custom hosts files...
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So - IF you don't want to be:
A.) Tracked ...& more?
B.) Spammed
C.) Speed/bandwidth hogged by ads (as well as electricity, CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O as well)
D.) Hit by malware or malicious scripts (for better "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth")
E.) Hit by DNS poisoning redirection (OR DNS servers being "downed") losing reliability
F.) Blocked out & have even more 'anonymity' (to an extent vs. DNS request logs) + being able to "blow by" what you may feel are unjust blocks (in DNSBL's)...
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APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32-bit & 64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&catid=26:64bit-security-software&Itemid=74
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Custom hosts files gain me the following benefits (A short summary of where custom hosts files can be extremely useful):
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1.) Blocking out malware/malscripted sites.
2.) Blocking out Known sites-servers/hosts-domains that are known to serve up malware.
3.) Blocking out Bogus DNS servers malware makers use.
4.) Blocking out Botnet C&C servers.
5.) Blocking out Bogus adbanners that are full of malicious script content.
6.) Blocking out known spammers &/or phishers.
7.) Blocking out TRACKERS.
8.) Getting you back speed/bandwidth you paid for by blocking out adbanners + hardcoding in your favorite sites (faster than remote DNS server resolution).
9.) Added reliability (vs. downed or misdirect/poisoned DNS servers).
10.) Added "anonymity" (to an extent, vs. DNS request logs).
11.) The ability to bypass DNSBL's (DNS block lists you may not agree with).
12.) More screen "real estate" (since no more adbanners appear onscreen eating up CPU, Memory, & other forms of I/O too - bonus!).
13.) Truly UNIVERSAL PROTECTION (since any OS, even on smartphones, usually has a BSD drived IP stack).
14.) Faster & MORE EFFICIENT operation vs. browser plugins (which "layer on" ontop of Ring 3/RPL 3/usermode browsers & are generally written in slower INTERPRETED languages (e.g. AdBlock = python/perl/javascript)- Whereas by way of comparison, the hosts file operates @ the Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode of operation (far faster) as a filter for the IP stack itself which is written in C & Assembly language...).
15.) Custom hosts files work on ANY & ALL webbound apps (browser plugins do not).
16.) Custom hosts files offer a better, faster, more efficient way, & safer way to surf the web & are COMPLETELY controlled by the end-user of them.
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* There you go... & above all else IF you choose to try it for the enumerated list of benefits I extolled above?
Enjoy the program!
(However, more importantly, enjoy the results in better speed/bandwidth, privacy, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & bl
I never see ads in Linux, even when using free apps.
I see ads in free applications for Android (a Linux-based operating environment for phones and tablets) all the time. Even Ubuntu 12.10 has Amazon ads. What Linux-based operating environment are you using? And do you play any free games with production values comparable to those of professional games on that version of Linux?
This is the "new normal". Suck it!
How is this a Windows 8 Feature though and not something that the developer embedded into her app?
From the summary: "apps that Windows ships with."
Have you turned on an Xbox 360 lately? M$ is already raping me by making me pay for an Xbox Live Gold subscription and now they have tons of ads as well. M$ wants the best of both worlds, revenue from their users and advertising partners. The users are getting it from both ends.
Xbox Live is both a free service (Silver) and a paid service (Gold). The ads and the Marketplace are in Silver, as I understand it, even though logging into Gold also logs you into Silver.
Microsoft Windows is now adware, in addition to beeing just payware and bloatware.
just think of how Apple is going to react to MS embedding a music store in the OS, or Steam is going to react to adding a games store in the OS.
Valve has already published its reaction to the Windows Store in Windows 8. See stories from late July and late October.
It's bad ideas like this that will help propel the Android desktop. Now that Valve is diving into Linux and Nvidia is optimizing for it as well it wouldn't surprise me to see a decent challenge to Windows in the near future. Multiple "app" stores, streamlined gaming, built in virus protection (not that it's _that_ problematic) and familiar with millions of people already using Android on their cellphones. (branding makes a difference in retail)
No, "(GBP)inux" and "Appl(EUR)" aren't quite the same as "M$". Microsoft started out as a publisher of interpreters of the line-numbered BASIC programming language. Names of string variables in early BASIC always ended in $, making LET M$ = "Microsoft" valid code. What language are you talking about that uses the symbol for GBP or EUR?
I haven't noticed any ads, myself.
Of course, the first thing I did after I installed Windows 8 was install classic shell and disable metro entirely, so maybe that's why. ^_^.
For the purposes of this discussion, an app which is shipped with Windows 8 and which is either installed by default or is activated/installed with the Windows 8 "Turn Windows features on or off" control panel is considered part of Windows 8 in the same way that notepad and paint have been considered part of "Windows" for many versions back.
On the other hand, an application installed by a hardware vendor as part of it's "OEM image" or an application whose installer is on the Windows retail DVD or downloadable installation package but which is NOT installed by the Windows installer and which is NOT managed as a Windows "feature" can be considered "not part of Windows."
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Apple isn't legally a monopoly.
It is on touch screen smartphones. Apple v. Samsung.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
If you find this post offensive, don't read it! THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING! I am what I am because of how apes behave.
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The question is --- With Apple and Google cleaning Microsoft's clock in the mobile world, at what point will the value of Windows be reduced to the point that it is just another delivery medium for ads?
I think you can uninstall the apps that include the ads, at least for non-"core OS" apps like Finance, News, Music, etc.
You can definitely remove their icons from the main Start screen, but they will still show in "All Apps."
If you remove them from the main Start screen or disable their "live update" capabilities, you can also choose to not run those apps.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* The "newer normal" is just "the community taking care of itself", per the link above... & of course, "yours truly" too!
APK
P.S.=> So much for "the new normal" you've proposed - I've taken care of THAT, long ago...
... apk
This is crazy. The next thing is we'll have ads on TV and radio.
We have a motto around here, you just can't fix stupid. If your still using M$ on a regular basis there isn't anything we can do for you.
The poster uses the weather app as an example, that is from AccuWeather, not Microsoft, the apps that have the ads in them that come bundled with Windows are NOT made by Microsoft, but rather the same type of bloatware that used to come from manufacturers like the WildTangent games, that you have to buy tokens for to use pass two free plays. Know what you are complaining about before you start.
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* The program I wrote there consolidates THAT hosts file PLUS 10 other ones from equally reputable + reliable sources, & gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
You can optionally NOT use all 12 sources too in its "config" screen tab as well (for those of you that only like certain custom hosts file data sources)...
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
APK
P.S.=> Good point noting to turn off Windows Defender "nuking" custom hosts files on YOUR part too...
... apk
...and when somebody finds an easy way to disable them, MS can kick back by including the file in the secure boot...
Windows has always shipped with free software. Some of that software has had ads. This isn't new. It's also not exclusive to Microsoft. That android phone you bought with all those carrier-bundled apps? Some of those have ads. I think the only one that *doesn't* is probably Apple, but I couldn't say for certain since I've never purchased an Apple computer, though I did have an iPhone at one point, but I don't remember if any of the apps had ads. The Microsoft apps that have ads are also free to be uninstalled. They're not tied into the system. I would definitely not try and make the point that the OS somehow has ads. No part of the core OS has ads. Only some apps that were bundled have ads and they can be removed.
Seriously, someone complained about this? Are they idiots? It's not new, it's been done forever, and it's not even a big deal.
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* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you EXACTLY THAT!
No more ads/commercials... period!
By creating a custom hosts file - which is already part of your OS & thus, is "tightly integrated" with it, as a native feature... it gets its data from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a featue your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
It's a way for the developer to get paid while allowing the user to have the app for free
Ads don't do that at all. Working as intended, it means you pay for the software with an increased price for the product/service which is being advertised.
The difference is that there are so many brokers and infrastructure providers in the ad system that it ends up costing a lot more than if you were to simply pay a few pence to the developer directly.
Modern capitalism is about everyone taking his cut while very few actually do any useful work.
anybody sniffed what win8 is sending and where ?
i only ask because i need to know for when i call the police to report a bunch of 20-50yo men and women that are spying on my childrens computer usage, as they installed windows8 , MS Eula is null and void as minors cannot agree to contracts.
iam sure the EU privacy commission would like to know whats going on too
I paid $15 for the OS upgrade (before they fixed the loophole in their upgrade promo site), just to see what all the commotion was about. Upgrade went fairly smooth considering I did the unthinkable and actually tried to upgrade a Microsoft OS without starting from scratch (I imaged my boot drive ahead of time just in case).
I played around with the Modern UI apps for the first day or so, smirked at the not-so-subtly placed ads, installed Classic Shell and haven't bothered to go back to the Modern UI since. The Modern UI truly has no place on a desktop computer... or anything without a touchscreen for that matter. It's a consumption-oriented tablet UI that probably excels at keeping you occupied during an extended shit session. I'll stick to the desktop and benefit from Win8's tighter security and streamlined bootup/shutdown. With a couple tweaks, it's like a really well made service pack for Win7.
Install privoxy on remote host and set listen-address to the hosts externally accessible IP.
Most linux users don't know this, but the man pages were named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fsck'ing hates noobs!
Most people here browse @ below the default & will see it. So much for the UNJUSTIFIABLE downmod some troll applied... lol!
* Funniest part is, whoever applied the downmod certainly CAN'T justify it on any valid technical grounds, can they?
Nope!
APK
P.S.=> To the downmodding troll:
Your downmod would be a HELL of a LOT MORE EFFECTIVE (as well as valid) IF you could disprove the points I made in my post you downmodded, but of course? That's NOT going to happen, as it is clearly impossible to do... and, the trolls here KNOW it!
... apk
Are we permanently in the cycle of paying for something ad-free, then having ads gradually encroach?
I will point out that they're generally tucked out of the way to the right end of all the content. Except for games, when you do the daily challenges you're get hit with a full screen 30 second commercial on an infrequent basis. With the exception of those games I didn't find them to be invasive at all.
However, it did get me thinking... I was shocked to find myself not particularly bothered by that advertising. Barely 10 years ago I would have been thrown into an apoplectic rage and the suggestion that I'd have to see adds in software I've paid for. I railed at the presence of in game marketing, where advertising first extended it's tendrils into the non-web space. To this day I use Ad-blocker. But here I am, face to face with a freaking 30 second commercial I can't skip and I see it as a minor inconvenience. If anything, I started thinking that it would be nice to be able to pay a little extra to eliminate those ads.
Clearly I've been desensitized. And this was exactly the fear I had years ago, that companies will push and push until consumers no longer care. If I had to identify what led to this gradual submission, it would have to be online advertising and ads in mobile and iPad apps. This stuff always comes in small steps.
Unfortunately, where 10 years ago I was young, having nothing better to do and subject to few responsibilities, nowadays I'm far too busy to worry about stuff like this.
How is this making headlines at Slashdot? "Stuff that matters" this isn't. You paid for the OS. If you bought a Surface, you paid for hardware. You didn't pay for constant upkeep of the applications within. By my count, the "Music" app alone has been updated 4 times since the RTM. That's a lot of man hours - and is clearly more work than just a few bug fixes here and there. This is a huge music service - if you just want to listen to your songs, go use Windows Media Player - the Music app is a different experience. Just INSTALLING Java or Flash gives me an ad for Google Toolbar. Opening Steam gives me ads for dozens of Steam games. Playing practically any EA game gives me ads for anything from a body spray to a presidential candidate. Ads are ubiquitous. But they don't intimidate me. Practically every sci-fi vision of the future shows corporate sponsorship owning the world - we all know it's going that way... is it news worthy?
My netbook came with Windows 7 Starter Edition and had an ad supported version of Microsoft Office pre-installed. Maybe these are similar apps.
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more too, as a NICE bonus - see the link), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & it gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
Bottom-line: It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a feature your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
Yes, and this new fangled "pay TV" won't have commercials either...
See subject-line above, & YOU FAIL (you troll)...
* You couldn't even get THAT right, lol...
APK
P.S.=> So much for calling me a troll, when YOU'RE THE ONE SPREADING "FUD" & ERRONEOUS MISINFORMATION..., you trolling FOOL!
... apk
"no one expects ads in a piece of software that they just paid good money for"
Kindle.
"Programming is life, the rest is mere details"
I remember when cable had few ads and ZERO ads inserted by the cable company itself. Now days they insert their ads into the local channels and have a small local business dept for getting ads onto cable their channels. I've seen their stuff on the broadcast channels and I've wondered if that is why they offer free cable TV with the broadcast channels.... so they can get their foot in your door and make some money from advertizing.
This sounds like the Hulu business model. Sell the product to a user, AND sell the user as a product to advertisers. Get paid twice for the same work. It would make Captain Tagon proud.
I don't expect ads when I pay good money to enter a movie theater. Yet there they are -- dammit.
-kgj
"no one expects ads in a piece of software that they just paid good money for"
Why not? You pay for cable TV and see ads, you see product placement in the shows you watch between the ads, there's product placement in movies, advertisements for other products on the products you buy, ads for books on the backs of books, and the list goes on. The only thing, I think, that really KEEPS ads OUT of a product is the value of its aesthetic. You'll never see an ad on the back of a fancy-looking leather-bound book, because you're paying for an aesthetic that precludes it. You won't find an ad in, say, a free Linux distro, because the aesthetic of the culture precludes it.
So I think we should look at this from the opposite perspective: why are ads showing up in Windows NOW? It may be a sign that Microsoft's business model is changing in some way, but I think it may have more to do with the adoption of the app-market aesthetic. You may not expect to see an ad in an app that you paid for, but you REALLY wouldn't expect to see an ad in a traditional program like Excel or Photoshop.
Esoteric reference.
I notice ads have cropped up in Metro Skype too. They didn't used to if you had credit in your account.
Thanks Microsoft!
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more too, as a NICE bonus - see the link), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & it gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
Bottom-line/Closing note: It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a feature your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
"... no one expects ads in a piece of software that they just paid good money for."
Huh? The populace has already been conditioned - pay for media (it's just software), and expect force-fed ads (cable TV).
I'm glad some one has the balls to hypothetically speak up with their hypothetical outrage about their hypothetical purchase!
As opposed to actually speaking up with actual outrage about a declined purchase? Put this into a feedback form on Microsoft.com: "I would have bought a new PC with Windows 8, but I didn't because of X, Y, and Z." Or "I bought a Nexus 10 instead of a Surface because of X, Y, and Z." For another thing, "if I did I'd email them" sounds like planning what one would do if hired by a company that adopted Windows 8 or if a family member insisted that one troubleshoot a PC running Windows 8.
It looks like this is a core component of Redmond's business plan in all their OS offerings.
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more too, as a NICE bonus - see the link), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & it gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
Bottom-line/Closing note: It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period & no questions asked.
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a feature your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more too, as a NICE bonus - see the link), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & it gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
Bottom-line/Closing note: It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period/no questions asked!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a feature your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more too, as a NICE bonus - see the link), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & it gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
Bottom-line/Closing note: It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a feature your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more too, as a NICE bonus - see the link), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & it gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
Bottom-line/Closing note: It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period - no questions asked!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a feature your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Per my subject-line above - The program I wrote in that link above? It gives you no adbanners (and a lot more too, as a NICE bonus - see the link), lickety-split!
By creating a custom hosts file from 12 reputable + reliable sources, & it gives you a "mega hosts file" that's "all business" - all duplicates normalized out + removed, & alphabetically sorted for easier end-user mgt.!
(The resulting custom hosts file has NO garbage & bloating "bulk" in commentary + inefficient blocking address formats like 127.0.0.1 either, instead, allowing you to go to a smaller & faster parsed + loaded 0.0.0.0 format as well...).
Bottom-line/Closing note: It is the MOST efficient way to block out adbanners under the sun, AND, it's NOT OWNED BY ADVERTISERS either (AdBlock + Ghostery, are & are CRIPPLED by default because of it)... period - no questions asked!
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy... it works by using a feature your OS already has, & thus, it's "tightly integrated" with it already!
... apk
You claim not to see advertisements in free applications for Slackware. (I noticed your snark about the version number.) So how would you recommend that a developer pay the expenses to develop a quality video game for Slackware 14.0 and other PC Linux operating systems without A. requiring payment for each copy or B. displaying advertisements? (I mention video games as an example; given an answer for video games, it can be extended to other categories of application.)
I don't believe that hosts is faster than adblock, which blocks content before the domain name is resolved. Firefox goes through a process to decide whether and how to send a request, which ABP uses. Benchmark it for me.
Also, why should I trust a piece of closed-source software with my DNS records?
If you're dynamically updating a hosts file, it would seem that you are reinventing the square wheel -- this is what a DNS cache is for. A local DNS caching server is going to be just as fast, and much more flexible. You can run one on your desktop, or have it on a separate machine, and either way you can route all other DNS requests to it, instead of having a script running on each machine. They support dynamic blacklists as well, and you can match wildcard addresses (e.g. *.malwareserver.com). What is the problem with using tools designed for this purpose?
You mention the home address. The problem with 127.0.0.1 isn't that it it's slower. The problem with it is that it's a valid IP address, usually for a local web server. If there is a server listening, it will process the request.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
You paid for the OS. Not for the weather service, the stock tickers or the music you're streaming.
Per my subject-line above, see this -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41920163
* That troll "blew it" on Windows 8, hosts files, & Windows Defender already man... see the link above!
(However, per the OTHER part of my subject-line? It's the thought that counts, & YOU in particular? You're one of my FAVORITE users of custom hosts files... lol, because you're 1 of 100's here that use them, & I quote you when I put that information out in fact (you gave a hell of a rundown on them is why & what good they've done for you online)).
APK
P.S.=> In any event? Thank-You, & here's the others that have found hosts files useful as you do on /. (with your testimonial included also of course), as well as some posts of mine that were upmodded regarding custom hosts also (love your reply the best, & it's part of WHY it's "topmost")...:
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70++ SLASHDOT USERS EXPERIENCING SUCCESS USING HOSTS FILES QUOTED VERBATIM:
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"I want my surfing speed back so I block EVERY fucking ad. i.e. http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ and http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm FTW" - by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Tuesday December 13, @12:04PM (#38356782)
"this is not a troll, which hosts file source you recommend nowadays? it's a really handy method for speeding up web and it works." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday March 22, @08:07PM (#39446525)
"I use a custom /etc/hosts to block ads... my file gets parsed basically instantly ... So basically, for any modern computer, it has zero visible impact. And even if it took, say, a second to parse, that would be more than offset by the MANY seconds saved by not downloading and rendering ads. I have noticed NO ill effects from running a custom /etc/hosts file for the last several years. And as a matter of fact I DO run http servers on my computers and I've never had an /etc/hosts-related problem... it FUCKING WORKS and makes my life better overall." - by sootman (158191) on Monday July 13 2009, @11:47AM (#28677363)
"I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17, @11:20AM (#38086752)
"Ever since I've installed a host file (http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm) to redirect advertisers to my loopback, I haven't had any malware, spyware, or adware issues. I first started using the host file 5 years ago." - by TestedDoughnut (1324447) on Monday December 13, @12:18AM (#34532122)
"Better than an ad blocker, imo. Hosts file entries: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm " - by TempestRose (1187397) on Tuesday March 15, @12:53PM (#35493274)
"^^ One of the many reasons why I like the user-friendliness of the /etc/hosts file." - by lennier1 (264730) on Saturday March 05, @09:26PM (#35393448)
"They've been on my HOSTS block for years" - by ScottCooperDotNet (929575) on Thursday August 05 2010, @01:52AM (#33147212)
"I'm currently only using my hosts file to block pheedo ads from showing up in my RSS feeds and causing them to take forever to load. Regardless of its original intent, it's still a valid tool, when used judiciously." - by Bill Dog (726542) on Monday April 25, @02:16AM (#35927050)
"you're righ
In Apple v. Samsung, Samsung was found liable of infringing Apple's patents. Once Apple convinces a judge to issue an injunction against further infringement, Apple would go from 2nd to 1st in a moment.
What individual builds a laptop? Never met a single person in my 32 years, apart from once meeting Ben Heck at a video gaming convention.
That'd be consistent with Windows 7-preloaded PCs being on clearance for the past two weeks. In November of next year, will it still be easy to get a laptop with Windows 7 on it?
It doesn't matter what OS you are using. The apps can contain ads even if you paid for it. If the App developpers are stupid enough to display ads after you've paid then so be it. Maybe later customers will stop buying it.
"I don't believe that hosts is faster than adblock, which blocks content before the domain name is resolved." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @12:46PM (#41920737)
So do hosts files (and they do things adblock just plain can't too) BUT AT A LOWER & FASTER LEVEL OF OPERATION (ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode)...
Thus AdBlock's JUST PLAIN SLOWER per my subject-line above!
(That's just the "physics" of how things work in Windows NT-based OS & most other modern OS)...
Custom hosts are already a basic part of the OS, & are "tightly integrated" because of it as well!
(Merely acting as a filter for the IP Stack, which has what? 40++ yrs. of optimization built into it, AND the fact it's written in C & Assembly language running in kernelmode (far, Far, FAR FASTER than usermode stuff like browsers as is, slowed down MORE by adblock layered on).
* Just common sense...
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"Also, why should I trust a piece of closed-source software with my DNS records?" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @12:46PM (#41920737)
Because it works better, faster, & more efficiently than AdBlock or Ghostery.
Because it's NOT OWNED by advertisers & INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED (both AdBlock + Ghostery are, & are crippled by default + tracking you, respectively).
Because custom hosts files can do MORE than just block ads... things AdBlock CANNOT DO, such as:
A.) Speedup your "favorite" websites via host file record entry hardcodes
B.) Operate on ALL WEBBOUND APPS globally (adblock only operates on Mozilla products)
C.) Allow you to circumvent DNSBL's (DNS block lists)
D.) Allow you to beat DNS request logs
& FAR more... see the initial link I posted for more.
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"this is what a DNS cache is for. " - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @12:46PM (#41920737)
Windows local DNS caching clientside cache is FAULTY with larger hosts files, for starters (known fact, I cut it out saving RAM, CPU cycles, & other forms of I/O opting instead to use the hosts file, cached into the local kernelmode diskcaching subsystem instead - gaining speed THAT WAY instead, since hosts are just a FILE LIKE ANY OTHER...
Heck - on THAT note?
Well... I even got an MS own "Windows Client Performance Division" SENIOR MGR. to concede it, here on /. too no less -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1467692&cid=30384918 along with the fact I have a way to speedup hosts file loads & parses!
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"A local DNS caching server is going to be just as fast, and much more flexible." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @12:46PM (#41920737)
Introducing YET ANOTHER PIECE OF COMPLEX SOFTWARE for a user to use.
Introducing more CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O for the OS to have consumed, needlessly, when a custom hosts file will do the same...
Introducing more ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION because it's another software running (OR WORSE, yet another machine locally)...
(Want more?)
APK
P.S.=> I've dealt with "points" like yours here & on many other sites, MANY times before - and this is just another time doing it is all... enjoy!
... apk
1/ Spam thread with multiple identical posts (5 identical so far plus 2 different). Take up about 50% of thread with spamming.
2/ Complain about downmods.
3/ ?
4/ Profit!
With even gaming moving over to Linux since developers have finally become fed up with MS' bullshit, there is no reason left to run Windows for any reason whatsoever. Hooray! And it won't have to take the table scraps from Xbox development either! No more conflict of interest.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
You simply have to adjust Windows Defender settings - you blew it!
* Always NICE to make ac trolls like you "eat your words", since you don't READ properly (or, you would have KNOWN that fact I just turned you onto & stopped your "fud" spreading b.s. misinformation).
APK
P.S.=> Just like I did to lister king of smeg here today as well, with HIS same line of b.s. YOU used, erroneously -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41920163
... apk
You like this one? Parallels is worse.
Parallels is VM software for OS X on the Mac. Most people, like me, use it to run Windows. It has a nice coherence mode where the Windows start menu and taskbar can show up on the OS X desktop and OS X applications and Windows applications can run side by side. It's generally fast and stable. Nice software. I think my company paid $70 for the copy that I'm using.
That is, it's nice until Parallels pops up an ad in your face. This is a window that comes up in OS X, popping up on top of whatever else you're doing, taking the mouse and keyboard focus with it. I've seen ads for Kaspersky anti-virus, and AnchorFree Hotspot Shield. It's incredibly intrusive, to the point of being malware, which is unbelievable in a piece of commercial, licensed, paid-for software.
The first time that this happened I was in the middle of a hairy debugging session and stared at the thing for a good 10 seconds, unable to understand what I was seeing. When I finally got my head out of my code and realized what I was looking at, I was incensed. I took a screenshot, dismissed then thing, then spent 20 minutes getting my head back into the work that I had been doing.
There is a command that you can issue in a terminal window to turn it off. But it's not documented anywhere by Parallels. Parallels support used to tell you the command in private communication if you asked about this, but they stopped doing that a while ago. People posted the command to the Parallels support forum, after which, Parallels promptly deleted those posts. Fortunately you can find the command posted elsewhere on the web. If you ask Parallels support about this now, you get an arrogant answer about most users appreciating the "special offers", and that there isn't a way to turn them off. I expect the secret command to disappear in a future software update.
This is an amazingly stupid thing to do to paying customers. I expect Parallels to fold at some point, which is a shame, because the product itself is a good one. I won't be giving them any more money. I plan to switch to VMWare Fusion soon.
AdFree Android appears to be a tool for managing the hosts file on a rooted Android device. In other words it's an APK that APK would recommend. But if everybody rooted their devices and used AdFree Android, how else would developers pay their bills?
See subject-line above: Is THAT "too difficult" for you -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
"?"
* Evidently so... then again, 100's of trolls just like you here have *tried* to before, only to fail!
APK
P.S.=> AC trolls, you're ALL the same: Seems ALL YOU HAVE/"the best you've got" is "effete unjustifiable downmods" (since you can't disprove points I stated in regards to gains folks see when using custom hosts files) & trolling b.s., nothing more, lol - every single time I post this in fact...
... apk
OK, Retail, quantity one, W8 costs what? $200? -- The ads pay for something.
Over time more and more aps provided by MS will have ads. ... But not privacy.
Over time MS's database on you gets richer and its "targeting" of ads gets better.
Over time MS's revenue from ads lets MS lower the price of Windows {whatever}.
The price for Windows {whatever} might approach zero in some forseeable future.
Now, Windows competes with Linux on price too.
The 'average computer user" doesn't understand privacy issues and does not care.
The average user may actually like the ads and not give a sh*t about what MS knows nor who MS sells that information to.
Now what?
Just speculating.
When cable TV first came out (I'm dating myself here), one of the purported virtues was no commercials. Then at some point that was no longer true. And I no longer have it. I won't pay you to serve me ads. What happens is they argue that *some* of what you get when you buy is actually free but ad supported, and figure we'll all buy into that. I won't, at least with TV. Apps in the Apple store are often free with ads, or non-free w/o ads. That works for me. I'll pay for an app that is useful and is w/o ads.
Especially this moron who I "schooled" easily -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41921303
* He had it coming for HIS blatantly ERRONEOUS "FUD" & MISINFORMATION spreading b.s. I corrected in that link above...
(NO questions asked!)
APK
P.S.=> Are you trolls SO SERIOUSLY SCARED of custom hosts files that you have to resort to "the last resort of trolls" in effete downmods that are FAR from justifiable on VALID computer technical grounds!
(Otherwise, you'd disprove my points, point-by-point, on custom hosts files' benefits they give end users of them, here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 and, so far (and in the past here on /. too)? You can't & haven't... & won't!).
You know it, I KNOW IT, and anyone else reading with 1/2 a brain knows it... lol!
... apk
"Your ads are worse that Microsoft's." - by Tarlus (1000874) on Thursday November 08, @01:29PM (#41921607)
Funny - the RESULT of my "ad" as you call it is better:
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1.) Speed/Bandwidth
2.) Global protection (vs. browser addons like AdBlock &/or Ghostery - advertiser owned, crippled & tracking as they are now)
3.) "Layered Security"/"Defense-in-Depth"
4.) Reliability (vs. downed or "dns-poisoned" redirected DNS servers)
5.) Efficiency of ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode operations (vs. far slower ring 3/rpl 3/usermode operations of browsers AND worsening it with another layer onto of THAT, in addons)
6.) Efficiency of C & Assembly code (vs. slower interpreted languages that are used in AdBlock)
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& far, Far, FAR MORE vs. "the competition" in Adblock + Ghostery... would you like specifics? Ask! I can post them in seconds...
APK
P.S.=> Per my subject-line - Here's the thoughts, findings, & feelings of others custom hosts file users on /. (your peers) as well as ratings they've given my posts on custom hosts files vs. various threats online, and that of a security expert also for your reference:
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70++ SLASHDOT USERS EXPERIENCING SUCCESS USING HOSTS FILES QUOTED VERBATIM:
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"I want my surfing speed back so I block EVERY fucking ad. i.e. http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ and http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm FTW" - by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Tuesday December 13, @12:04PM (#38356782)
"this is not a troll, which hosts file source you recommend nowadays? it's a really handy method for speeding up web and it works." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday March 22, @08:07PM (#39446525)
"I use a custom /etc/hosts to block ads... my file gets parsed basically instantly ... So basically, for any modern computer, it has zero visible impact. And even if it took, say, a second to parse, that would be more than offset by the MANY seconds saved by not downloading and rendering ads. I have noticed NO ill effects from running a custom /etc/hosts file for the last several years. And as a matter of fact I DO run http servers on my computers and I've never had an /etc/hosts-related problem... it FUCKING WORKS and makes my life better overall." - by sootman (158191) on Monday July 13 2009, @11:47AM (#28677363)
"I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17, @11:20AM (#38086752)
"Ever since I've installed a host file (http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm) to redirect advertisers to my loopback, I haven't had any malware, spyware, or adware issues. I first started using the host file 5 years ago." - by TestedDoughnut (1324447) on Monday December 13, @12:18AM (#34532122)
"Better than an ad blocker, imo. Hosts file entries: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm " - by TempestRose (1187397) on Tuesday March 15, @12:53PM (#35493274)
"^^ One of the many reasons why I like the user-friendliness of the /etc/hosts file." - by lennier1 (264730) on Saturday March 05, @09:26PM (#35393448)
"They've been on my HOSTS block for years" - by ScottCooperDotNet (929575) on Thursday August 05 2010, @01:52AM (#33147212)
"I'm currently only using my hosts file to block pheedo ads from showing up in my RSS feeds and causing them
Look at the Xbox 360 it is the only games system that makes you pay for online and it also has the most egregious advertising on the system.
Yes, because recent versions of Ubuntu don't have ads at all.
Oh... wait.
There are - of course - alternatives. My concern is when the "industry" starts moving in a given directly, all the "alternatives" tend to gravitate there, and suddenly there's no so much choice after all.
I had a heart-to-heart talk with a theater manager about this issue, and he basically explained it as they don't make any money, the studio gets it all, except for whatever they can sell at the snack bar, so they need to show ads to stay in business.
I told him well why don't you at least show the ads up front before the lights go down, and not after, when people are still finding their seats and settling in, so that they don't feel like they have to watch the ads, but can if they want to. Seemed like a decent compromise to me, and the next time I went to the theater, the ads were now showing before the lights went down, instead of after.
But yeah, paying and then being forced to watch ads sucks like a vacuum cleaner set on high.
Anyone that doesn't expect to find ads in an expensive paid product has obviously never had to deal with Parallels.
And I, for one, don't mind the recommendations of Steam one bit. Often those ads are for savagely discounted triple-A titles which I've been looking to get anyway. I have to say Steam makes it very simple and quick to buy games. It's almost as if they want you to buy games with as little hassle as possible. That is a mode of operation that I deeply agree with. So much even that I've bought many a game through that medium.
All this in stark contrast to another commercial venture connected to a game console that shall remain nameless. There were occasions that I wanted to buy a game but it took just too many hoops en circusses to get to the checkout. I love that console and the games it has, but man, is it ever a chore to get something for it.
Steam does it right: no hassle, frequent discounts and deep discounts at that. And while I'm sure it is balls-deep in DRM, it has never failed me yet.
A software with a pretend licence which are permenantely owned by you is actually a sales and you OWN it and can resell it. So. Yeah.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
I told the absolute unadulterated truth - especially here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* To which I freely CHALLENGE ANYONE HERE to disprove the points I stated in it where custom hosts files help end users of them in MYRIAD ways... especially vs. "the competition" in AdBlock &/or Ghostery (BOTH of which are OWNED BY ADVERTISERS, & yes - also crippled by default in the former, & tracking you in the latter)...
Lastly - AdBlock's FAR slower too & less efficient!
APK
P.S.=> You can *try* to "troll" this post all you like, but I'd like to SEE you utterly disprove the points I make on custom hosts files in that link I posted above
(Where users gain by their usage in MANY ways that competing measures that are OWNED BY ADVERTISERS (AdBlock + Ghostery) can't aid users the same way custom hosts files do in terms of better speed/bandwidth, reliability, universal coverage, and efficiency (since adblock for example is written in SLOWER INTERPRETED LANGUAGES vs. C & Assembly (far faster) for the IP stack itself, which uses the hosts file as a filter, AND the fact AdBlock + Ghostery are LAYERS on another already slower layer of operation (Ring 3/RPL 3/Usermode) in webbrowsers (vs. the hosts file running where the IP stack does - Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode (far, Far, FAR FASTER))...
... apk
It's Internet Explorer 4.0 / Windows 98 all over again!
I don't blame you per my subject line above, after this -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41921139
* You SHOULD have REALIZED THAT FOR YOURSELF... guess it was time to "live & learn", eh?
(Well - I was just the guy to "school you", that's all!)
APK
P.S.=> However - trying to "hide" that link of mine above which was a REBUTTAL to your erroneous viewpoints, via bogus unjustifiable downmods though, Tenebrousedge?
Now, you doing THAT, is truly, 'pitiful'... no questions asked!
... apk
After repeated failed attempts to contact the mass-mailing house(s) that send me my recycling each week (in the form of coupons, circulars, etc. in my mailbox), I spoke with a Post Office clerk.
Who told me, in effect: "They pay us too much to stop sending that stuff."
In other words, money is money, and most companies take whatever is there for the taking ... because (they say, oh so reasonably) "We can't afford to *not* take the money".
-kgj
I know it's a bit off-topic, but I feel similary pissed off when I'm subjected to television ads before a watching a movie at a theatre. Maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember when this wasn't the case, but I consider it outrageous to be subjected to ads after paying for an expensive ticket and overpriced refreshments.
The first time a TV ad appeared, we should have thrown our drinks at the screen and tore the stuffing out of the seats, but we're too docile here in Canada to riot unless there's a hockey game involved.
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tenebrousedge blows it twice + tries hiding it 2x w\ downmods http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41922677 and here too http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41921139 ? I don't see anything different than what I just stated happening here so it is a clear-cut case of someone gaming the moderation system (cheating it and applying bad downmods).
See my subject-line: Especially since MOST folks here surf FAR below the default filter... Guess what?
Hey - They're going to see it anyhow, so using "hit & run downmods" to *try* to "hide" my post?
Pitiful, & QUITE useless!
* To whoever downmodded my post - See the above, "drink it in & digest it", since I KNOW IT'S TRUE, as does anyone else reading with 1/2 a brain... & you do too!
APK
P.S.=> It's so blatantly obvious too - since you CAN'T disprove my points in favor of custom hosts files' benefits to end users of them here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 I can only conclude what I have now... lol, YOU FAIL, trolls - period!
... apk
No, that's not how things work.
Without Adblock,
User requests a piece of content -> Firefox uses content policies to determine how and whether a request should be sent -> Firefox checks the local browser cache for the file -> Firefox requests the DNS record for the domain in question -> The OS parses the local DNS cache (the hosts file should be preloaded)-> finds address 0.0.0.0, returns that to Firefox.
Adblock stops that process at step 2. Hosts would be faster IFF Adblock adds more overhead to the content policy process than it would take to actually make the request.
I took a minute to actually test this.
Atom netbook, Linux, Firefox 17 beta, Adblock Plus, Firebug, Mozilla's internal DNS/file cache disabled, hosts file 34 lines long:
Normal DNS name resolution: 3 ms.
With hosts blocking : 3 ms.
With Adblock : 0 ms.
A larger hosts file would of course increase the time taken for DNS resolution.
Not only this, but it can also filter parts of addresses (e.g. filter example.com/badcontent but not example.com/goodcontent). You can filter all sorts of things with regexes that are completely impossible with naive blacklists, like blocking content based on its type.
Your A, B, C, D list is all handled by a DNS caching server. Do note, this is not the same thing as the built-in local DNS cache, so your comments are really completely off-base.
DNS caching servers may be a bit more complex, but again they're also more useful: they work for any device that supports TCP/IP networking. The one I am using weighs in at a hefty 39.9 kilobytes. How big is your implementation?
A "plain" manually updated hosts file is going to be larger in itself than any other form of blacklisting. Even so, you might have an argument still by virtue of simplicity. When you start updating it with a script, you've just tossed all that out the window: your software performs the exact same function as a dns caching server, except badly, with more resources, and less flexibility.
The fundamental weakness of hosts is that you can't do regexes, and you cannot enumerate all malicious domains. It is difficult to strictly compare the performance of string matching (hosts) versus regular expressions (DNS, ABP). A small hosts file would have a chance of beating the other solutions, in theory. In practice, not so much, and by the time we get to multi-megabyte hosts files, you're pretty much screwed for performance.
Are we done here?
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
http://advertising.microsoft.com/video-advertising#
Why are there not youtube videos showing how bad the ads are yet???
You can't moderate and post on the same topic, dipshit.
You have this hilarious persecution complex, where you think all ACs are the same person, and the moderators *must* be sockpuppets of the same people who disagree with you.
If you really think I've been modding you down somehow, even though the site doesn't allow that, then you should write to the site admins and report me. They should be able to correlate the IPs and determine whether I've been sockpuppeting. I invite you to do this, because I am damn sure of what they would turn up.
And no, no one has the time to use separate proxies just for the pleasure of downmodding you. Basically you're the only one who is that much of a crazy asshole, and you're projecting onto everyone else.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
since I use a desktop and have no use for Metro. I use Classic shell which returns a fully customizable 'normal' start menu to Windows 8.
"..One hosts to look them up, one DNS to find them, and in the darkness BIND them."
Back when Microsoft decided to turn Do Not Track 'on' by default in IE, I was one of those who applauded them and defended their actions. But now, the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me is feeling like a sucker, 'cause I'm thinking maybe MS wanted Do Not Track activated for the majority of its users so they could suck up more ad revenue from their own freshly-minted built-in ad trackers.
Assholes... It seems that every time I get the feeling Microsoft isn't 'all that bad' they pull something like this. So this time I'm writing them off for good. MS could donate all of their assets and income to the poor, and I'd still suspect them of continuing to be unreformed slime-sucking bottom feeders.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Which are faster, per my subject-line above, just by default? Answer that...
"A larger hosts file would of course increase the time taken for DNS resolution." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
LMAO - oh, really?
Coming up from a local HDD (even a mechanical one), it's only 7ms seek/access! Compare THAT to 30-100's of ms coming from a remote DNS server...
AND?
It's FAR LESS from a SSD (I use a REAL SSD here in fact to do it, a Gigabyte IRAM 4gb DDR2 based one & altering the TCP/IP "DataBasePath" parameter to have MINE read up from there (near 0ms access/seek)).
Once loaded ONCE & cached (into the local kernelmode diskcaching subsystem)? Faster still... as fast as it gets really, referencing from RAM!
That's for starters (in addition to running in a program called the IP stack that's written in C & Assembly language, far, Far, FAR faster than interpreted languages AdBlock's written in!)...
Then also?
I place 20 of my favorite sites AT THE TOP ENTRIES OF MY CUSTOM HOSTS FILE (there's no need for indexing even since they are there, topmost/first)... that would HOLD TRUE even on indexed items up to 2++ million entries in a hosts file (IF the favs were "mixed in" to the entire file, but they're NOT here)...
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"DNS caching servers may be a bit more complex"" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
They are a LOT more complex, and EAT A LOT MORE CPU Cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O as well as electricity (especially IF SETUP AS ANOTHER SYSTEM/SERVER)... & for what?
Doing what a local custom hosts file can, tightly integrated with the OS & IP stack no less, running in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode too...??
Please... lol!
Now, why the HELL would I want to use regular expressions to use the hosts file? The IP stack doesn't... & IF you mean using indexing??
I've gotten THAT beat too (on my fav sites - the rest? BLOCKED & I could care less about accessing them fast - they're MEANT TO BE BLOCKED & NEVER ACCESSED @ ALL IN THE 1st place!)
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YOUR BIGGEST "F'UP" IS HERE:
"Without Adblock, User requests a piece of content -> Firefox uses content policies to determine how and whether a request should be sent -> Firefox checks the local browser cache for the file -> Firefox requests the DNS record for the domain in question -> The OS parses the local DNS cache (the hosts file should be preloaded)-> finds address 0.0.0.0, returns that to Firefox."" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
Ahem: You had best look into HOW THE IP STACK WORKS, because the 1st thing your OS & IP stack look to, for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses IS THE HOSTS FILE!
Period... you fail.
APK
Because custom hosts files can do MORE than just block ads... things AdBlock CANNOT DO, such as:
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A.) Speedup your "favorite" websites via host file record entry hardcodes
B.) Operate on ALL WEBBOUND APPS globally (adblock only operates on Mozilla products)
C.) Allow you to circumvent DNSBL's (DNS block lists)
D.) Allow you to beat DNS request logs
E.) Operate more efficiently since hosts run in Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode (vs. layered ONTOP of already slower Ring 3/RPL 3/Usermode apps called webbrowsers, increasing complexity of operations slowing them even more).
F.) Operate on other hardware platforms (like smartphones)
& more...
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(Care to tell us if AdBlock can do THOSE things?)
APK
P.S.=> As far as your last post? Man... lmao, anyone KNOWS that:
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1.) Kernelmode apps, especially those written in C & Assembly language (the IP stack itself with over 40 yrs. of optimization put into it too no less) are going to BLOW AWAY those written in perl/python/javascript that run in slower USERMODE (which is what adblock's written in, interpreted SLOW code that runs in usermode OVER THE TOP of already slower apps called webbrowsers there... slowing them up even more!)
AND
2.) The IP stack LOOKS TO THE HOSTS FILE FIRST for host-domain name resolutions by default (faster path of execution, blocking out content from cached data in RAM)...
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So, you asked this question:
"Are we done here?" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
YOU certainly are.. you "finished" yourself, & quite badly!You fail!
... apk
Sure you can. Mod someone down, & logout to preserve your cookie state and troll as ac!
I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie doing it AND using multiple "registered 'luser'" accounts to pull that trick also (in case you don't know it? Those 2 lusers are the SAME PERSON!).
Anyone can do it, including YOU, Tenebrousedge...
APK
P.S.=> I suggest you look up the speed difference in apps coded in:
1.) Ring 0/RPL 0/kernelmode (the IP stack & hosts files) vs. Ring 3/RPL 3/usermode apps (like AdBlock layering in & slowing down even MORE, the usermode browsers it layers onto)
AND
2.) Apps that are written in C & Assembly (the IP stack which is what runs the hosts file as a filter) vs. those that are written in SLOWER INTERPRETED CODE (javascript/perl/python - Adblock's written in those)...
PLUS
3.) What the ORDER of what the IP stack looks to, 1st - that's the HOSTS file, fool, not the "line of b.s." you *tried* here on "longer path of execution" -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41923329 !
... apk
i was curious about windows 8 but now i can nuke my win 7 box and install openbsd with no regrets. so glad i switched to os x for my main work computer years ago...
These apps are optional (pre-installed but trivial to remove) and are basically just a different way of presenting the info that you could get from the relevant web sites... which, shockingly enough, also feature ads. Go figure. That stuff isn't free.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
IF I am blocking out sites, what do I care how "fast" they access?
Clue/New NEWS/NewsFlash:
They're NOT MEANT TO BE ACCESSED @ ALL, since they're blocked!
And that IS the "bulk" of my custom hosts file here: 1,850,750++ entries of BLOCKED known malicious sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malware &/or malicious code exploits... only 20, the TOP 20 mind you (beats indexing even), are my "favorites" hardcoded into it, & read @ the speed of RAM once cached!
(Are you THAT stupid saying what you did? Top that off with the fact that HOSTS files are the 1st thing accessed by your OS & IP stack for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses?? You fail on your "shorter path of execution" b.s. you used last post!)
APK
P.S.=> Also, when I "hardcode in" my top 20 favorite sites?
AGAIN: They are AT THE TOP/FIRST RECORD ENTRIES in my custom hosts file...
(This is faster than indexing even when the entries are "mixed in" to a custom hosts file BY FAR - in fact, doing it as I do? It equates to indexing 2++ million entries otherwise such as is done in DNS!)...
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Not only THAT, but again - What is the FIRST thing the OS & IP stack access for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses?
"That's right kids - you guessed it": THE HOSTS FILE!
So much for your "shorter path of execution", eh?
It doesn't GET any shorter than that, especially once the hosts file data is cached!
(Cached either by the local clientside dns cache service in Windows, OR, with larger hosts files, the kernelmode diskcaching subsystem).
Lastly - comparing ANY usermode app (especially adblock, which IS CRIPPLED BY DEFAULT by the advertisers that own it, talk about "foxes in the henhouse", lol, too) to a kernelmode one?
DUMB on your part...
Put it THIS way - I've also written my app in tty-term/charactermode/DOS Window version too... & guess what?
THAT is 10x as fast as the GUI one I put up (but, folks like their GUI vs. console apps)... think that kernelmode apps are SLOWER than that? Guess again... lol!
You FAILED on so many things, it's not even funny...
... apk
"Easily resolved: Replace the 127.0.0.1 number with 0.0.0.0" - by vlueboy (1799360) on Thursday November 08, @05:05PM (#41924949)
The app I posted about offers THAT as a conversion from the larger & slower 127.0.0.1 - which IS larger by 2 characters per line record than 0.0.0.0 is, creating larger & slower hosts files to load + parse.
* In fact, I had to PROVE THIS to a SENIOR Microsoft VP for the "Windows Client Performance Division", here (who conceded I was correct on it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1467692&cid=30384918
(The "loopback adapter address" of 127.0.0.1 also can perform a slowing "loopback" operation IF the loopback adapter is installed as well...)
APK
P.S.=> MVPS.org says "there's no place like 127.0.0.1"? Beg to differ - 0.0.0.0 is SMALLER & FASTER to load the hosts file (since the file's smaller) & also FASTER PARSING since each line record would be smaller too...
So - What's even FASTER?
Plain old "0" (zero), vs. 0.0.0.0 & especially the largest & slowest, in 127.0.0.1!
(Which oddly, even VISTA could use 0 as a valid 'blocking ip address', right up to "MS Patch Tuesday" 12/09/2008, when it suddenly couldn't anymore & by extension Windows 7 & Server 2008 & 2008r2 also... though Windows 2000 (SP#2 onwards), XP, & Server 2003 STILL CAN though... odd, eh?)
... apk
There have been ads in software you pay for for a long time. I think various home versions of racing games had different paid ads on billboards for different versions.
Even Pole Position in the arcade had real brands on the billboards.
(BTW, I hate "regular" TV ads and avoid them with a passion, but the ads in the various Zynga iPhone games I play are either tolerable (static ads) or annoying but not bad enough to get me to pay even a piddly $.99 yet (the video ads that play for a few seconds until you can skip them). Product placement in TV shows rarely bugs me, and live ads in podcasts can even be entertaining, but I still skip the canned ads before/after them that show up on some podcasts.)
Google does this as well. Moving from an iPhone to a Galaxy Nexus, I was disgusted to see ads in the Maps app on Android. They're extremely intrusive, too, covering way too much of the already limited screen real estate. We're moving headlong into the super tacky, classless world that marketers have wet dreams about.
See here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41920163
APK
P.S.=> He's just another TROLLING fool, & my guess is he is 1 of 4 kinds of people:
1.) Malware maker/botnet master (etc.)
2.) Advertiser
3.) Webmaster
4.) Possibly a competing solution maker (adblock, ghostery, etc./et al)
5.) Some troll I have soundly 'spanked' on technical computing issues before looking for 'payback' - THIS is the one I lean "strongest" to actually in this case!
(They *think* that by downmodding my post unjustly for no valid reasons unjustifiably, it will "hide" the post & its information from others - lol, too bad MOST FOLKS browse this site well below that default level filter).
NOW, if he wanted to "make headway" & actually BURN me? He'd disprove my points on hosts!
(Especially on computing technical grounds - disprove my points in my post however? I'll "eat it" & LEARN by it... that's YET TO HAPPEN here, especially regarding hosts files & my points on them, since 2008)...
... apk
"So your solution involves me removing protection of a system file routinely targeted by malware" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
Who said ANYTHING about "removing" it? You adjust its settings to make an EXCEPTION!
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"just so I can block a few ads? " - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
AND MORE, like speeding up your FAVORITE SITES TOO by hardcoding them as host file line record entries!
Which also increases reliability vs. DNS poisoning or downed DNS servers too (bonus)...
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"What kind of sense does that make?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
TONS, especially considering that ADBANNERS THEMSELVES not only slow you down, annoy you, eat up CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O (as well as electricity because of that), but, they also have served up MALWARE MANY TIMES over the years...
EVIDENCES:
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THE NEXT AD YOU CLICK MAY BE A VIRUS:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/15/2056219/The-Next-Ad-You-Click-May-Be-a-Virus
Yahoo, Microsoft's Bing display toxic ads:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/bing_yahoo_malware_ads/
Malware torrent delivered over Google, Yahoo! ad services:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/24/malware_ads_google_yahoo/
Rogue ads infiltrate Expedia and Rhapsody:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/30/excite_and_rhapsody_rogue_ads/
Google sponsored links caught punting malware:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/google_sponsored_links/
DoubleClick caught supplying malware-tainted ads:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/13/doubleclick_distributes_malware/
Yahoo feeds Trojan-laced ads to MySpace and PhotoBucket users:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/11/yahoo_serves_12million_malware_ads/
Real Media attacks real people via RealPlayer:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/23/real_media_serves_malware/
Attacks Targeting Classified Ad Sites Surge:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/02/02/1433210/Attacks-Targeting-Classified-Ad-Sites-Surge
Hackers Respond To Help Wanted Ads With Malware:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/20/0228258/Hackers-Respond-To-Help-Wanted-Ads-With-Malware
Ruskie gang hijacks Microsoft network to push penis pills:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/12/microsoft_ips_hijacked/
Major ISPs Injecting Ads, Vulnerabilities Into Web:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/08/04/19/2148215/major-isps-injecting-ads-vulnerabilities-into-web
Two Major Ad Networks Found Serving Malware:
http://tech.slashdot.
Seeing you HAVE to go "off-topic" & try illogical failing ad hominem attacks, troll... it's how I KNOW I won here.
* It's always the same with you AC trolls... you FAIL, vs. myself, logic, & facts!
(Every single time, it's hilarious!)
APK
P.S.=> Tearing you UP, Tenebrousedge? Well, you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, as-is-per-my-usual "inimitable style":
THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'"...
... apk
See subject-line, & the same is true of AdBlock regarding this:
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Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/12/2213233/adblock-plus-to-offer-acceptable-ads-option
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* The marketers KNOW that MOST FOLKS WILL NOT DISABLE THE DEFAULTS & attempt to "tweak" the app... no more than folks tune Adobe PDF reader to NOT USE JAVASCRIPT (which would cut off TONS of exploits used vs. it, for example & a GOOD analogous one here!)
( ... & thus, folk using either AdBlock or Ghostery are being "hoodwinked" as to the NOW CRIPPLED "efficacy" of a once decent app... period!)
If ANYONE is spreading "FUD" it's you... and your marketer pals, buddy!
APK
P.S.=> Why don't they just send it out set so you are NOT part of "GhostRank"? Well, simple: Ghostery "souled out" & advertisers/marketers run it now (lol, talk about "the fox is in the henhouse", lol)...
... apk
I ran benchmarks. Adblock is faster. Requests that are not generated by the browser are faster than ones that are and resolve locally in the hosts file. The language being executed makes zero difference.
This is how Microsoft says DNS works. The ironic part is how you go through all these contortions to make sure that hosts is resident in RAM, when it would be anyway if you just used the Windows DNS Client.
You're totally ignorant, it seems, of how Firefox operates internally. What I outlined was exactly correct. Firefox handles a number of different types of content, such as http, https, ftp, ssh, images, javascript, etc. Before it goes to find something, it determines how it should do that. It parses the request. Is this a file? is it local ("file://") or remote? ("http://"). This is the stage that Adblock interrupts. The next stage would be Firefox asking the OS's host name resolution system for the IP address. Resolving a null address takes longer -- as benchmarked -- than not making the request at all.
Your DNS caching server can run on the same hardware as your browser, it doesn't have to be remote -- or complicated. Windows being Windows, people have easy solutions for this. Again, your program is just a bad example of one -- it's not that difficult to use is it? If you can make a simple product, then someone who knows what they're doing can too.
Regexes. Let's see if we can fill this vast gulf of your ignorance. So you want to block
baddomain.com, baddomain.net, baddomain.xxx etc.
A request comes in. You want to know if it is a domain that you should be blocking. If you are doing string matching (as in a hosts file), you must check entries in your list until you find it. You make N comparisons, and either find it or exhaust the list.
If you are using a regex (e.g. baddomain.*), you make one comparison.
For short lists, string comparison can be faster. If you're parsing more than a kilobyte, you should probably think about regexes. Megabytes are no contest. I can provide benchmarks for that too.
So, you have my benchmarks. How big is this program of yours? How many cpu cycles does it use? Does it take more or less time than 0 ms to block a request? How big is your hosts file?
I get the feeling that you've never actually tested any of this, and are just going by your gut feeling.
Stop with your A, B, C list.
A) a local DNS caching server will do the exact same thing. Because it is the exact same thing.
B) a local DNS caching server will affect all webapps and all other devices on the local network. You just have a shitty version.
C) See A.
D) See A.
E) See A, also see benchmark it before you claim it's faster.
F) If you can access the hosts file on those devices, if it exists. See B.
And really, you're smoking something if you think the IP stack isn't being rewritten regularly. IPv6 ring a bell? DNSSEC? Networks have changed since the 80s. You don't understand how or why.
You have zero evidence that this actually works the way you think. None. Most of what you've said is factually wrong, even the parts where you try to call me out. You don't have any idea what the network stack looks like, or how it's actually being used. I have more than a sneaking suspicion that you've never configured a non-home network. Or a server.
You're not going to convince anyone with testimonials. Show some numbers. I don't want to hear bullshit about how many people suck your dick, or how bulletproof your systems are. If you can't prove your claims with actual numbers, you're just a loudmouthed excuse for a script kiddie.
Face it -- you're not even a mediocrity. You're just a laughingstock. Your complete lack of wit is painfully obvious to everyone on every forum that you troll.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Why would Symbian be counted in the smartphone market for the purpose of U.S. antitrust law? Symbian has never had a real presence in the U.S. market to my knowledge. And why would Android be counted among lawful competitors if a jury has found that Android infringes patents? It'd be like saying marijuana competes with tobacco.
THE NEXT AD YOU CLICK MAY BE A VIRUS:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/15/2056219/The-Next-Ad-You-Click-May-Be-a-Virus
Yahoo, Microsoft's Bing display toxic ads:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/bing_yahoo_malware_ads/
Malware torrent delivered over Google, Yahoo! ad services:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/24/malware_ads_google_yahoo/
Rogue ads infiltrate Expedia and Rhapsody:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/30/excite_and_rhapsody_rogue_ads/
Google sponsored links caught punting malware:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/google_sponsored_links/
DoubleClick caught supplying malware-tainted ads:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/13/doubleclick_distributes_malware/
Yahoo feeds Trojan-laced ads to MySpace and PhotoBucket users:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/11/yahoo_serves_12million_malware_ads/
Real Media attacks real people via RealPlayer:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/23/real_media_serves_malware/
Attacks Targeting Classified Ad Sites Surge:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/02/02/1433210/Attacks-Targeting-Classified-Ad-Sites-Surge
Hackers Respond To Help Wanted Ads With Malware:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/20/0228258/Hackers-Respond-To-Help-Wanted-Ads-With-Malware
Ruskie gang hijacks Microsoft network to push penis pills:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/12/microsoft_ips_hijacked/
Major ISPs Injecting Ads, Vulnerabilities Into Web:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/08/04/19/2148215/major-isps-injecting-ads-vulnerabilities-into-web
Two Major Ad Networks Found Serving Malware:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/12/13/0128249/Two-Major-Ad-Networks-Found-Serving-Malware
NY TIMES INFECTED WITH MALWARE ADBANNER:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/13/2346229/new-york-times-site-pop-up-says-your-computer-is-infected
MICROSOFT HIT BY MALWARES IN ADBANNERS:
http://apcmag.com/microsoft_apologises_for_serving_malware.htm
ADOBE FLASH ADS INJECTING MALWARE INTO THE NET:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/08/08/20/0029220/adobe-flash-ads-launching-clipboard-hijack-attacks
London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware:
http://www.securityweek.com/london-stock-exchange-web-site-serving-malware
Spotify splattered with malwar
Disprove my points regarding custom hosts files here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* GOOD LUCK - you'll NEED it (hell, you'd need a miracle - as nobody here TO DATE in almost 6 yrs. now has...lol, not even 1 point, once)...
APK
P.S.=> All the unjustified "hit & run" downmods in the WORLD can't disprove truth & facts, boys... get used to it!
... apk
Disprove my points regarding custom hosts files here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* GOOD LUCK - you'll NEED it (hell, you'd need a miracle - as nobody here TO DATE in almost 6 yrs. now has...lol, not even 1 point, once)...
APK
P.S.=> All the unjustified "hit & run" downmods in the WORLD can't disprove truth & facts, boys... get used to it!
... apk
Disprove my points regarding custom hosts files here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* GOOD LUCK - you'll NEED it (hell, you'd need a miracle - as nobody here TO DATE in almost 6 yrs. now has...lol, not even 1 point, once)...
It won't happen in the link I pointed to either, lol: Call it a "hunch" (more like an educated guess based on experience from YEARS of trolls trying it here, and failing, every single time!)
APK
P.S.=> All the unjustified "hit & run" downmods in the WORLD can't disprove truth & facts, boys... get used to it!
... apk
String £inux = "Linux";
String Appl€ = "Apple";
Valid Java code
Oh, really? So, adblock doesn't PARSE the webpage first? Bullshit... there is your SLOW right there, for starters! How does it make the determination as to WHAT is an adbanner or not, by parsing tags, right?
Secondly?
"I ran benchmarks" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @06:20PM (#41925925)
Oh, really? WHICH ONES test this?? None I know of... & you need to LEARN a few things, boy:
Clue: The majority of my custom hosts file is BLOCKED ENTRIES (ones I never intended to get to anyhow, lol, so "speed" is NOT of the essence) - 1,850,750++ to be precise in fact!
PLUS?
MY "FAVORITES" ARE @ THE TOP OF THAT, 1st 20 entries too
Thus, & even an index over 2 million ++ entries (if they were "mixed up" together alphabetically by domain name order) WOULDN'T BE ANY FASTER for those either...
So, thus, so much for DNS indexing (topping itself off by being more complex, eating more CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O too, as well as electricity (especially IF setup as yet another entire system)).
See subject-line - for the majority of my custom hosts file, they are blocked (I never intended to get to those entries since they're KNOWN malicious so getting to them "fast"? Not an issue... (bad stuff, as in botnet C&C Servers, bad adbanners and normal ones too, &/or rogue DNS servers malware makers use too & more are blocked in my custom hosts file... Can adblock do THAT for you too? No!)
Face it - Adblock can't speed up your favorites, block out malware serving sites, malicious botnet C&C servers, rogue DNS servers, & more (& it only runs for a SINGLE browser family... hosts work for ANY webbound app!).
The list goes on... AdBlock's INFERIOR to custom hosts, not nearly as "versatile" AND IT'S OWNED BY ADVERTISERS (talk about "foxes in the henhouse", lol).
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"Adblock is faster." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @06:20PM (#41925925)
B.S.! It's written in SLOWER interpreted languages (vs. the IP stack in C & Assembly) and it runs in a FAR SLOWER RING OF PRIVELEGE (ring 3/rpl 3/usermode) vs. hosts in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode.
AdBlocks also MASSIVELY inferior & doesn't do as much as custom hosts files do, period... they're FAR MORE "VERSATILE"!
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"You're totally ignorant, it seems, of how Firefox operates internally." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @06:20PM (#41925925)
LMAO - YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT OF HOW THE IP STACK WORKS, since hosts files are called on FIRST, over the local DNS clientside cache, or remote DNS servers (and they're FASTER BY FAR too on this latter one).
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Your DNS caching server can run on the same hardware as your browser, it doesn't have to be remote" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @06:20PM (#41925925)
So? It STILL consumes MORE RAM, CPU cycles, & other forms of I/O... for what?? Doing what a hosts file can do, & not as efficiently by "layering on" MORE COMPLEXITY for no good reason??
(Please... lol, you FAIL yet again!)
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"I get the feeling that you've never actually tested any of this, and are just going by your gut feeling" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @06:20PM (#41925925)
Your "tests" are bullshit... see the above facts vs. your fictions... and face it about AdBlock - it just "ain't what it used to be":
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Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/12/2213233/adblock-plus-to-offer-acceptable-ads-option
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Is it?
Nope, not by default (& marketers that OWN it know most
The downmodding troll didn't want others seeing the 100's that use hosts on /. to good effect & gain/benefits!
(That are myriad over competing solutions, & from a SINGLE FILE that's run in the fastest mode of operations there is in Ring 0/RPL 0/kernelmode vs. competing solutions like AdBlock!
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A.) AdBlock is crippled by default & OWNED BY ADVERTISERS - talk about "foxes in the henhouse" (lol, for Pete's sake!)
B.) AdBlock can't speed up your favorite websites like custom hosts files can via line-record entry "hardcodes" of them & their host-domain name to IP Address equation properly resolved via reverse DNS pings!
C.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. KNOWN bad sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malware
D.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. "downed" or DNS-poisoned DNS servers (hosts can & do) for better reliability online.
E.) AdBlock only protects Mozilla products - hosts protect ANY webbound app vs. adbanners (and more like botnet C&C Servers, rogue DNS servers malware makers use, & more).
F.) DNS servers which are more complex
G.) DNS has "issues" galore (if anyone would like a list of them & occurrences they caused problems in? Ask!)
H.) DNS servers eat up MORE CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O too (vs. custom hosts files)...
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* AND, the list goes on... inclusive of the fact custom hosts can run in ANY webbound app, AND on multiple hardware platform types (think smartphones too, since they also have a BSD derived IP stack).
APK
P.S.=> Hence, the downmod of my thanks to Unknown Soldier (US) I wager isn't based on only THOSE issues above in comparing AdBlock &/or DNS servers to hosts files... I suspect they didn't WANT others to see how many 100's of /. users like & use hosts files for a myriad of purposes to get back speed/bandwidth they pay for, to get better "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", better reliability (vs. DNS poisoning or downed DNS servers), better anonymity (to an extent vs. DNS request logs), & even the ability to "blow by" DNSBL's (DNS block lists) you may not like or agree with...
... apk
You already killed yourself here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41925745 ?
You don't like Windows XP/Vista/7/8/9/10...? You chose to pay your dollars just to use your computer in a restricted way while there are many other choices out there? Shame on you! Take it or leave it and STFU already!
No, Adblock does not parse the webpage first. It blocks the request before the networking stack even gets involved. Get that one through the mass of granite that passes for your mind.
We're talking about two small pieces of software that both do one thing very well. That whole Unix concept, you know? Versus your hosts file and associated updating program, which are both larger and slower than their equivalent replacements.
If you don't know how to benchmark DNS requests, what the hell are you doing writing a DNS caching server?
Firefox's web engine keeps statistics on how long DNS requests take. So do most other browsers. Do three tests:
Repeat 10x. A small hosts file was only 3ms slower per request; I shudder to think what yours is like.
You keep mentioning "indexing". Maybe because it's a concept you're familiar with. It has nothing to do with anything being discussed, except in your mind.
How big is your app? How big is your hosts file? How can you say that other solutions consume more resources if you don't now how much you use?
Adblock is faster. So is a real DNS cache. The combination is more secure -- you can block far more things far more easily. That is, everything that you can do with a hosts file, plus many things that you can't.
My accomplishments include being able to read documentation and come up with numbers that prove that you've been completely wrong about this for what, a decade now? Hell, you can't even read my posts, you keep repeating the same busted ideas over and over again. I've given you links, benchmarks, and examples, and you've linked to your own posts and yelled a lot.
Really, everyone knows that you're a retarded troll, and let's face it, you know it too. When the windows desktop dies, you won't even have this rant any more.
Poor APK. The hosts file is the only thing he knows, and he doesn't even understand that. You know, that's sad. I feel bad, really I do. Like I was trying to take candy away from a special needs toddler.
Tell you what. I'll take these naughty benchmarks away, and then you can live in your little APK bubble with your little APK friends, and you and the hosts file can play together all day long!
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
You can, provided you can disprove EVERY SINGLE POINT of mine here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* Fair enough? I think so!
(LMAO - Except that I KNOW you won't be able to do so, as literally 100's of trolls have *tried* to before this since 2008 on this forums alone - & not a SINGLE ONE has managed that on a SINGLE POINT of mine in that link above... not a one!)
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"You are like the kid that doesn't know when people are trying to ignore him so he repeats himself over and over again." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @05:44PM (#41925451)
You're just an off-topic little crying troll & lol, one that can't disprove my points on hosts files with valid counter-information... & I know it, YOU KNOW IT, as does anyone reading with 1/2 a brain here.
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"I have spent years browsing this page at -1, seeing your SAME comment posted 20 times in this discussion is about to change that to +1." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @05:44PM (#41925451)
I've spent YEARS making little trolls like YOU have to *try* to "troll me" by ac posts (vs. their normal "registered 'luser'" account, which I KNOW YOU HAVE) since I regularly "dust" those like "YOU" (troll) so badly, they HAVE to try 'harass me' by ac posts instead...
You only show me that much, every time you do this...
APK
P.S.=> Like I said - I'll "shut up" provided you can meet that challenge... & yes, the real beauty of it is, that I know you can't (so do you)...
... apk
But there existed directives to alter this behaviour
This was true of some but not all Microsoft BASIC interpreters. The one that Apple hired Microsoft to make for the Apple II ("Applesoft") did not have DEFSTR. On that BASIC, names of string variables were required to end in $.
"Versus your hosts file and associated updating program, which are both larger and slower than their equivalent replacements." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @08:25PM (#41927201)
The program I wrote's only there to populate the custom hosts file with CURRENT UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION vs. known threats online...
YOU KNOW - the ones AdBlock CANNOT HELP YOU WITH like:
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1.) Blocking rogue DNS servers malware makers use
2.) Blocking known sites/servers that serve up malware... like known sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malicious scripts
3.) Speeding up your FAVORITE SITES that hosts can speed up via hardcoded line item entries properly resolved by a reverse DNS ping
4.) AdBlock works on Mozilla products, hosts work on ANY webbound app.
5.) AdBlock can't protect external to FireFox email programs, hosts can (think OUTLOOK, Eudora, & others)
6.) AdBlock can't help you blow past DNSBL's (DNS block lists)
7.) AdBlock can't help you avoid DNS request logs (hosts can via hardcoded favorites)
8.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. TRACKERS (hosts can)
9.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. DOWNED or "DNS-poisoned" redirected DNS servers (hosts can by hardcodes)
10.) Hosts are EASIER to manage, they're just a text file (adblock means you had BEST know your javascript, perl, & python (iirc as to what languages are used to make it from source)).
& more...
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"Get that one through the mass of granite that passes for your mind." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @08:25PM (#41927201)
Considering YOU are a "DONE NOTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE AT ALL" b.s. artist & loser by comparison to myself in the art & science of computing? Especially after the names you called me??
Please... lmao!
(I asked you to show us you've done MORE, better, & EARLIER than I have in this field of computing... you RAN, "Forrest", lol!)
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"We're talking about two small pieces of software that both do one thing very well." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @08:25PM (#41927201)
Yes, DNS is loaded with problems (want some examples? Ask!) & adds complexity!
AdBlock can't do as much as custom hosts files
So... lol, tell us another one, ok?
A single file that is part of the OS natively & thus, tightly integrated with it, does what BOTH of those do, for less... without adding COMPLEXITY!
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"That whole Unix concept, you know?" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @08:25PM (#41927201)
Yea, the OS that is in LAST PLACE by comparison to Windows on PC's & Servers combined... lol!
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"If you don't know how to benchmark DNS requests, what the hell are you doing writing a DNS caching server?" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @08:25PM (#41927201)
WTF? Sorry, I wrote NO "Dns caching server" regarding this topic...
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"Firefox's web engine keeps statistics on how long DNS requests take.." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @08:25PM (#41927201)
Your "test"? Is bullshit - it doesn't account for processing AdBlock MUST be doing to determine what is an ad, and what is NOT an ad... period.
That'd take tag parsing on the webpage being rendered, and that means AdBlock's DOING such parsing... how else would it KNOW what is an ad, and what is not??
Besides - AdBlock is LIMITED AS HELL compared to custom hosts files, see above...
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"You keep mentioning "indexing". Maybe because it's a concept you're familiar with. It has nothing to do with anything being discussed, except in your mind." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584)
You don't yet realize it, but this entire thread is a jeans commercial.
"So your solution involves me removing protection of a system file routinely targeted by malware" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
Who said ANYTHING about "removing" it? You adjust its settings to make an EXCEPTION!
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Creating an exception for a file is exactly the same as removing protection from the file. I'm not sure what part of that you're not understanding.
"just so I can block a few ads? " - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
AND MORE, like speeding up your FAVORITE SITES TOO by hardcoding them as host file line record entries!
Which also increases reliability vs. DNS poisoning or downed DNS servers too (bonus)...
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So you're saying I need to keep my hosts file updated with every site that I ever visit or ever will visit updated. Wow, that's so convenient!
"What kind of sense does that make?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
TONS, especially considering that ADBANNERS THEMSELVES not only slow you down, annoy you, eat up CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O (as well as electricity because of that), but, they also have served up MALWARE MANY TIMES over the years...
EVIDENCES:
(Lots of links removed)
Ask!
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Legitimate ad networks sometimes have malware payloads? Stop the presses! No one solution is a panacea. No matter what kind of ad-blocking tech you want to use. You will not be 100% protected.
Even if an ad somehow makes it onto my computer, the additional CPU and RAM usage that it will take up is negligible. Heck, even on a several years old machine, an ad banner isn't going to make an appreciable difference.
"And before you start with "But this magic host file will block all spyware and malware, too", the sites that serve up malware change constantly." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
The program I noted in my post my other posts link to then UPDATES THE HOSTS FILE FROM A PRISTINE "TEMP" COPY WHICH GETS ITS DATA FROM 12 REPUTABLE SOURCES vs. such threats, OVERWRITING ANY ATTEMPTED "hijacks" of it, & it protects the file as well (supplementing UAC with Read-Only protection that runs every 1/2 second - good luck with another program blowing past that!)
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Define 'clean' and 'pristine'. How often are they updated? What if my favorite site changes IP addresses? Who are your 12 mythical sources and where are they getting their information from? How do I know I can trust them? What if I want to make a change in my local hosts file to test something in my network? Your program is going to blow away my changes immediately. That's not what I want.
"It's literally impossible to block all sites and servers that are serving out malware, unless you block the entire Internet. But that makes it significantly less useful" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @03:22PM (#41923493)
See above - it's FAR from "impossible", since programs do the automation necessary to overcome YOUR "objections" here, with ease...
APK
P.S.=> "NEXT"... lol!
... apk
So all I need to do is to install a program that pulls questionable DNS records from unknown sources, hope that every site I like to visit is in the whitelist, add an exception to my antivirus program so that it works 'properly', and keep it running all the time so that it can phone home and update itself?
Why don't I just run a DNS server on my local network? Sounds like it would do the same job and be less of a hassle to set up and keep running.
Time to make YOU "eat your words" with a simple list & question, (per my subject-line above):
QUESTION: Can AdBlock do THESE things for users?
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1.) Blocking rogue DNS servers malware makers use
2.) Blocking known sites/servers that serve up malware... like known sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malicious scripts
3.) Speeding up your FAVORITE SITES that hosts can speed up via hardcoded line item entries properly resolved by a reverse DNS ping
4.) AdBlock works on Mozilla products, hosts work on ANY webbound app.
5.) AdBlock can't protect external to FireFox email programs, hosts can (think OUTLOOK, Eudora, & others)
6.) AdBlock can't help you blow past DNSBL's (DNS block lists)
7.) AdBlock can't help you avoid DNS request logs (hosts can via hardcoded favorites)
8.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. TRACKERS (hosts can)
9.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. DOWNED or "DNS-poisoned" redirected DNS servers (hosts can by hardcodes)
10.) Hosts are EASIER to manage, they're just a text file (adblock means you had BEST know your javascript, perl, & python (iirc as to what languages are used to make it from source)).
& more...
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* Well?
ANSWER = NO, adblock CANNOT do those things, period
(Yet, you SAY it's SUPERIOR to custom hosts files? LMAO! Yea... rrriiiiigggghhhttt... (not)).
AdBlock is OWNED BY ADVERTISERS - thus, you have "the fox guarding the henhouse" like a FOOL would!
(You little done zero trolling dolt who "talks a big game" but strangely hasn't done MORE, better, & EARLIER than I have in the art & science of computing (vs. a TINY partial list only of my favorites too no less - I have MANY more than that)
ADBLOCK ALSO "ain't what it used to be"...
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Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/12/2213233/adblock-plus-to-offer-acceptable-ads-option
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YOU FAIL, troll... & so does AdBlock vs. that list above!
APK
P.S.=> Yes people - Blowing the "trolling name-tossing failing illogical ad hominem attack attempting" little TROLL like you, who hasn't done SQUAT in the art & science of computing by way of comparison to myself (and yet who called me ALL kinds of not so nice names)?
Priceless!
AND of course?
Doing it was JUST "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" since, face it:
There IS that "little list" above, so let's see how "superior" your AdBlock is vs. it, shall we? Go for it... lol, you will FAIL right out of the gate, and you KNOW it!
... apk
This apk bot keeps getting owned and yet it keeps replying at the command of its master, just flag it as spam and move on.
FOAD spam bot.
Bots always get downmodded on this website, consider yourself lucky that your posts are not deleted already for spam.
"Creating an exception for a file is exactly the same as removing protection from the file." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
No, it's not, especially when that FILE is protecting you vs. threats like I listed from adbanners alone (and yes, there is NO DENYING malicious code's been in adbanners)...
Plus, when that file is RE-WRITTEN & refreshed as often as I like to offset "attacks" on the hosts file? It can't be "bushwhacked" by malware!
(Besides - hosts is is UAC protected AND due to my program, also every 1/2 second getting "read only" attributes applied - NO malware is going to 'get to the hosts file' with my program running, no way, no how, & even IF it could? It's just refreshed afterwards periodically ANYHOW from reputable & reliable sources, "automagically"...)
Spybot Search & Destroy does a similar thing & it's VERY highly esteemed in the antispyware world too you know...
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"So you're saying I need to keep my hosts file updated with every site that I ever visit or ever will visit updated. Wow, that's so convenient!" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
No, just your favorites IF you're smart, not every site there is...
PLUS - I never once said THAT, so you can stop trying to put words in my mouth I never stated troll...
(That's one of the OLDEST & worst "troll tricks" there is, makes YOU look VERY STUPID just about now in fact!)
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"Legitimate ad networks sometimes have malware payloads? Stop the presses!" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
Is THAT "the best you've got" vs. the documented, concrete, & VERIFIABLE undeniable data I posted on adbanners being infested with malicious script?
YOU FAIL!
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"Define 'clean' and 'pristine'." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
WTF? The meaning is EXPLICIT... do you NOT understand English, & now you try to play "nerd expert wannabe" with that TRITE & overused phrase?? Puh-leese, lol...
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"How often are they updated?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
As OFTEN AS YOU LIKE... or, every 12 hours automagically if you set it thus!
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"What if my favorite site changes IP addresses?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
My app repings them with a reverse DNS ping to update your favorites, automagically... easy as apple pie!
(& YOU FAIL YET AGAIN, troll...)
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"Who are your 12 mythical sources and where are they getting their information from?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
Same places I get my info. - security research articles & other reputable sources! You *might* want to look @ say, MVPS.org, & others like them... they're as reputable as it gets (for instance, hpHosts? Part of malwarebytes) & they use the same basic sources I do - security research sites' data!
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"How do I know I can trust them? " - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
What a truckload of BULLSHIT... you are REALLY *seriously" doing some "reaching" now, aren't you?
(See above & for example? See mvps.org's site - they're VERY respected!)
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"What if I want to make a change in my local hosts file to test something in my network? Your program is going to blow away my changes immediately." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08, @09:27PM (#41927715)
NO, it will not (unless you MAKE it run 'automagically' on it's timed 12 hour schedule - it
apk didn't get owned. You did here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927931
Funny how the bot pwned you here point by point http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927931
You must absolutely & without question disprove each of my points I wrote down in favor of custom hosts files, here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* You manage to do THAT, with undeniable facts that are technically VALID? I'll do as you said...
APK
P.S.=> Of course, THAT will NEVER HAPPEN... lol, or you WOULD HAVE by now, and you can't!
LMAO - you know it, I KNOW IT, as does everyone else here reading who has 1/2 a brain!
... apk
Is that the mating call of a defeated troll or what? Hahahaha
I'm just eating this up, I swear. The delusions never cease!
Your "test"? Is bullshit - it doesn't account for processing AdBlock MUST be doing to determine what is an ad, and what is NOT an ad... period.
That'd take tag parsing on the webpage being rendered, and that means AdBlock's DOING such parsing... how else would it KNOW what is an ad, and what is not??
No, it does not do this. It operates on file requests, and parses the URI being requested -- specifically it runs it through a regex. It's really hilarious watching you fail to understand this.
You're a web browser. You're downloading (and parsing) some HTML. You run across an tag. Huh, well you'd better go find it. You check if images have been enabled, yup. Then you check what you're supposed to do with www.example.com/image.jpg, and Adblock says, "Let me take a look at that first." If it's okay with Adblock, then you check the browser cache to see if it's already there, if not, hit up the browser DNS cache to see if you already know where to find it, and if that fails, then you go to the OS.
At no point does Adblock parse anything but a URI.
This is also why the benchmark considers the total time taken to render a page. For me this varied about 30 ms each request, which can be chalked up to varying network latency. It's probably possible to set up a local server and domain in order to eliminate network effects, but again, if Adblock doesn't make a measurable difference to the load times, then you're not going to win doing the extra work of checking the hosts file.
I'm drilling down to one issue because you're too dumb to attack them all at once. Consider this the first lesson: What Adblock Does. You have my email, btw, feel free to change arenas anytime. I'll work with you until you understand the whole issue.
"My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."
"...Nothing beside remains." Very apropos, but I doubt you meant that.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Inform us MORE, won't you? See here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927751
* After all - YOU'RE the "informative' one, so inform us by answering the question there!
APK
P.S.=> Be "informative" THERE why don't you? Don't you WANT to be informative?? Ok, then, you have another chance @ it in the link above by answering a simple question or two... apk
Be MORE informative then, here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927751
* Answer the question(s) there... be "informative", lmao!
APK
P.S.=> It is going to be a HUGE pleasure watching you "squirm" there, lol...
... apk
No, first I have to see Tenebrousedge "squirm" a bit here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41928407 first, & then here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41928423 (since he avoids to where BOTH lead to).
* To quote Sean Penn in "The Game"? Well... just when you think you're all done being f'd, then the REAL f'ing, begins...
APK
P.S.=> Cuz my "coup-de-grace" icing on the cake's not just showing adblock can't do less than 1/10th of what custom hosts files do, but something that predates all of this from a security-guide of mine online from late 2007 iirc... lol, THAT is the "final liquification" of "tenebrousedge"... lol!
... apk
That is what your script is.
Except by using the hosts file, you screw yourself out of being able to use it to manage the whole network. Among other failures.
I asked some random tech, "What do you call a program that manages DNS entries?"
"A DNS server."
So, I'm going to look at your solution and compare it to other DNS servers. Hmm. Looks like it's broken, featureless, and bloated beyond belief.
With that in mind, #10 is pretty irrelevant. Oh, hey look. Windows DNS software with a nice GUI. I bet it doesn't do anything retarded like load an ASCII file into memory -- you literally double the size needed to represent IP addresses that way (8 bytes ASCII vs 4 bytes hex). But hey, features, performance, and a simple GUI aren't everything, right? Why have it all when you can have software by APK!
And for those of us who are actually paying attention, yes, Adblock can be configured to allow unobtrusive ads. It can also be configured not to do so, and I have. Further, since it's open-source, I've gone through the code and verified that that toggle actually does what it says. I have no problem forking the code if that ever changes.
Keep in mind, this is the same list you keep presenting, and I keep giving variations on the same answer. You have this one toy hammer, and this one nail, and you can't imagine that the rest of the world figured out DNS. No, the entire world must be wrong, and the 40-year-old solution is the still the best technology, and you are the only one who knows this. IT organizations around the world are waiting for you to swoop down on them and save them.
But man, that SimpleDNS program really looks...simple! And look at its impressive feature list -- I bet you don't know what half of those things are even for! I'm sure you'll get around to supporting those things any day now though. Your app has...uh...well.
Oh yes, that's right. The power of delusion!
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
You replied to yourself?
I didn't realize that you were batshit insane. I'mma just sort of leave this conversation alone now. I hope you get the therapy you need.
I've been collecting reasons to wait for Windoze 9. Looks like another one.
This is not so crazy. Linux + Steam app store + Firefox/Chrome = good enough for 95% of consumers.
"Oh yes, that's right. The power of delusion!" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @01:37AM (#41929383)
There's no delusion when AdBlock can't do 10 things hosts files can -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927751
Those 10 things again, for your reference:
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1.) Blocking rogue DNS servers malware makers use
2.) Blocking known sites/servers that serve up malware... like known sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malicious scripts
3.) Speeding up your FAVORITE SITES that hosts can speed up via hardcoded line item entries properly resolved by a reverse DNS ping
4.) AdBlock works on Mozilla products, hosts work on ANY webbound app.
5.) AdBlock can't protect external to FireFox email programs, hosts can (think OUTLOOK, Eudora, & others)
6.) AdBlock can't help you blow past DNSBL's (DNS block lists)
7.) AdBlock can't help you avoid DNS request logs (hosts can via hardcoded favorites)
8.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. TRACKERS (hosts can)
9.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. DOWNED or "DNS-poisoned" redirected DNS servers (hosts can by hardcodes)
10.) Hosts are EASIER to manage, they're just a text file (adblock means you had BEST know your javascript, perl, & python (iirc as to what languages are used to make it from source)).
& more...
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* It was a pleasure making you "squirm" & have to ADMIT that custom hosts files do the same things as AdBlock does, and a LOT MORE too!
APK
P.S.=> You FAIL, & you know it, I KNOW IT, as does anyone else reading with 1/2 a brain as well...
... apk
"Oh yes, that's right. The power of delusion!" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @01:37AM (#41929383)
There's no delusion when AdBlock can't do 10 things hosts files can -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927751
Those 10 things again, for your reference:
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1.) Blocking rogue DNS servers malware makers use
2.) Blocking known sites/servers that serve up malware... like known sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malicious scripts
3.) Speeding up your FAVORITE SITES that hosts can speed up via hardcoded line item entries properly resolved by a reverse DNS ping
4.) AdBlock works on Mozilla products, hosts work on ANY webbound app.
5.) AdBlock can't protect external to FireFox email programs, hosts can (think OUTLOOK, Eudora, & others)
6.) AdBlock can't help you blow past DNSBL's (DNS block lists)
7.) AdBlock can't help you avoid DNS request logs (hosts can via hardcoded favorites)
8.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. TRACKERS (hosts can)
9.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. DOWNED or "DNS-poisoned" redirected DNS servers (hosts can by hardcodes)
10.) Hosts are EASIER to manage, they're just a text file (adblock means you had BEST know your javascript, perl, & python (iirc as to what languages are used to make it from source)).
& more...
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* It was a pleasure making you "squirm" & have to ADMIT that custom hosts files do the same things as AdBlock does, and a LOT MORE too!
APK
P.S.=> You FAIL, & you know it, I KNOW IT, as does anyone else reading with 1/2 a brain as well...
... apk
Custom hosts files do 10 more things than AdBlock does http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41930817 AND all of what AdBlock can also (bonus)...
* It was a REAL GENUINE PLEASURE, seeing him "squirm" as he did there too... lol!
APK
P.S.=> That's all I needed to see (minus Tenebrousedge's name-tossing illogical failing ad hominem attacks there)...
... apk
I absolutely TOASTED that fat fool when he said he was an "expert on exchange" (after he trolled me to 3 forums on 3 diff. sites, in addition to email harassing me): Over @ Windows IT Pro forums he said that, & during the "memory optimization hoax" debate.
I then brought out documentation from Microsoft themselves SHOWING how memory optimizers, specifically in that case clearmem.exe by MICROSOFT no less, can unhalt frozen/stalled exchange servers... so much for "expert" fatboy Jay Little!
He then stalked me to NTCompatible.com & attempted to debate me on IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO BSOD stopcodes' meaning (which is either failed drivers or failed hardware iirc) & was banned from that site too, lol.
Lastly, in frustration, he put up literal death threats on his website & others which got removed AND got Jay Little's hosting provider to REMOVE HIS SITE @ CrystalTech.com too, lmao...
(Couldn't have happened to a NICER (not) guy...)
* Bringing THAT fat fool into the picture? Not a "real big help" to you, now was it?? Nope...
APK
P.S.=> In other words - thanks for pointing out a victory of mine vs. a fat imbecile that shot his mouth off & let me shut it for him... lol!
... apk
They spent up big in the 70s and 80s promoting funding for research into multiple sclerosis 'MS', for a condition that affects the brain, something really important to geeks and nerds.
Of course the difference between multiple sclerosis and Microsoft is that one is a debilitating and surprisingly widespread affliction that renders the sufferer barely able to perform the simplest task, and the other is a medical condition.
So M$ is Microsoft and MSN is Microsoft Networks but MS is multiple sclerosis.
And M$N is the peso moneda nacional, a former currency of Argentina.
Considering hosts files can do 10 things adblock can't? YOU FAIL! See here AGAIN, "for your reference" (& ultimate DEFEAT vs. myself -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41930817 )
LMAO!
(Period - since, by this simple analogy, we SEE which is the superior overall tool: Say I have 2 athletes to compare vs. one another. Both are good @ weightlifting doing "gold medal" level work - however, 1 (hosts) also "gold medals it' in 9 other events too... WHICH Is superior? The one that does less (AdBlock) or the one that does MORE (hosts)??).
Pretty simply analogy - 1 I *think* even a "ne'er-do-well" big talker can manage to grasp!
(You, who haven't done SQUAT in the art & science of computing, yet YOU called me ALL KINDS OF NAMES along the lines of 'retarded', did that - but you haven't done SHIT yourself by way of comparison when challenged to show you had in the past, or that you have currently... lol!)
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"Except by using the hosts file, you screw yourself out of being able to use it to manage the whole network. Among other failures." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @01:37AM (#41929383)
Ahem: DO YOU KNOW WHAT LOGON SCRIPTS ARE?
Using them, You can easily copy/overwrite custom hosts files on logon for users, OR, just do a scheduled task to do it (on most any OS out there under the sun for PC's &/or Servers)...
YOU FAIL MISERABLY HERE TOO, boy...
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"With that in mind, #10 is pretty irrelevant." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @01:37AM (#41929383)
It exists nonetheless, along with 10 other things hosts CAN do, & AdBlock, can't... period!
You fail...
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"And for those of us who are actually paying attention, yes, Adblock can be configured to allow unobtrusive ads." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @01:37AM (#41929383)
Then, lol, WHY ON EARTH IS IT CALLED "AdBlock" for? Why not call it WHAT IT REALLY IS NOW? Like this:
"AlmostAllAdsBlocked"
LMAO!
Considering you're "championing" an app that is SUPPOSED to stop adbanners, it's not doing a perfect job of it right off the bat by default!
Man: Talk about "Foxes guarding the AdBlock henhouse"!
See... only a FOOL would trust that, considering advertisers OWN adblock & have 'crippled it' intentionally, knowing most users will be deceived into thinking it's working FINE, when in reality? It is NOT...
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"I bet it doesn't do anything retarded like load an ASCII file into memory." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @01:37AM (#41929383)
No, custom hosts just do MORE than AdBlock (and even DNS servers running locally burning up CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O + more electricity (especially if setup as a separate system) than custom hosts files do!), hell, the way YOU do it?
Funniest part here? Your OVERLY "complex" suggestions!
E.G./I.E.-> You need 2-3 separate programs to do what a SINGLE little file does run by the IP stack in RPL 0/Ring 0/kernelmode + written in C and Assembly language can!
(Which IS the fastest possible overall & most capable design here vs. Adblock layered in over already SLOWER usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 based webbrowser apps, & that only - hosts cover ANY webbound app by way of comparison!)
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"Keep in mind, this is the same list you keep presenting, and I keep giving variations on the same answer.." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @01:37AM (#41929383)
Yes, and YOU HAD TO ADMIT THAT ADBLOCK DOESN'T DO WHAT CUSTOM HOSTS FILES CAN IN FULL - period!
(You FAIL, you know i
Downmod my post to hide it? Please - tenebrousedge "bit it" here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41931593 & BADLY!
Especially since he has to ADMIT that custom hosts files can do MORE for a user of them than AdBlock can by itself, or even when combined with locally running DNS servers!
(Which have issues in recursive mode & others also, eating more CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O + electricity (especially if setup as a SEPARATE system, rather than services/daemons + front ends only on the same server other apps run on - & funniest part of all, is that custom hosts files actually COMPLIMENT dns servers & overcome part of their weaknesses, as they do with AdBlock!)).
* Face it, Tenebrousedge: YOU FAIL...
APK
P.S.=> Like I said - downmod my posts all you like, but it doesn't hide the facts, and the fact here is that AdBlock can't DO as much for a user as custom hosts files do... not by a LONG shot, period!
... apk
"no one expects ads in a piece of software that they just paid good money for." Well then it's a good thing no one payed good money for it. You payed $40 for what is typically a $400 license. Quit complaining.
See subject-line - Is THAT the "best you've got", trolls?? Apparently so!
* Tell you what though (to the troll that downmodded my post in a cowardly "hit & run" manner, with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind the downmod, whatsoever):
We'll do my USUAL simple challenge to you - disprove each of my points here in favor of custom hosts files usage for end users in a myriad of benefits here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
(Funny how THAT little challenge of mine ALWAYS gets evasions, eh? LMAO, "NOT"...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what makes ME laugh the hardest of all - seeing "effete retaliation" from the "wannabe experts" here on /., vs. "lil' ole' me" & that list of points in favor of custom hosts files for end users on a number of grounds to GREAT effect in added speed/bandwidth, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & DNSBL too in a way, + more, doing 10 things that say, AdBlock CANNOT do & DNS servers also (which custom hosts compliment, & overcome THEIR deficiencies as well))...
... apk
See subject-line - Is THAT the "best you've got", trolls?? Apparently so!
* Tell you what though (to the troll that downmodded my post in a cowardly "hit & run" manner, with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind the downmod, whatsoever):
We'll do my USUAL simple challenge to you - disprove each of my points here in favor of custom hosts files usage for end users in a myriad of benefits here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
(Funny how THAT little challenge of mine ALWAYS gets evasions, eh? LMAO, "NOT"...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what makes ME laugh the hardest of all - seeing "effete retaliation" from the "wannabe experts" here on /., vs. "lil' ole' me" & that list of points in favor of custom hosts files for end users on a number of grounds to GREAT effect in added speed/bandwidth, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & DNSBL too in a way, + more, doing 10 things that say, AdBlock CANNOT do & DNS servers also (which custom hosts compliment, & overcome THEIR deficiencies as well))...
... apk
See my subject-line - Is THAT the "best you've got", trolls?? Apparently so!
* Tell you what though (to the troll that downmodded my post in a cowardly "hit & run" manner, with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind the downmod, whatsoever):
We'll do my USUAL simple challenge to you:
Go for it - Disprove each of my points here in favor of custom hosts files usage for end users in a myriad of benefits here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
(Funny how THAT little challenge of mine ALWAYS gets evasions, eh? LMAO, "NOT"...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what makes ME laugh the hardest of all - seeing "effete retaliation" in these utterly UNJUSTIFIABLE downmods of my posts, & from the "wannabe experts" here on /., vs. "lil' ole' me" & that list of points in favor of custom hosts files for end users on a number of grounds to GREAT effect in added speed/bandwidth, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & DNSBL too in a way, + more, doing 10 things that say, AdBlock CANNOT do & DNS servers also (which custom hosts compliment, & overcome THEIR deficiencies as well))...
... apk
See my subject-line - Is THAT the "best you've got", trolls?? Apparently so!
* Tell you what though (to the troll that downmodded my post in a cowardly "hit & run" manner, with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind the downmod, whatsoever):
We'll do my USUAL simple challenge to you:
Go for it - Disprove each of my points here in favor of custom hosts files usage for end users in a myriad of benefits here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
(Funny how THAT little challenge of mine ALWAYS gets evasions, eh? LMAO, "NOT"...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what makes ME laugh the hardest of all - seeing "effete retaliation" in these utterly UNJUSTIFIABLE downmods of my posts, & from the "wannabe experts" here on /., vs. "lil' ole' me" & that list of points in favor of custom hosts files for end users on a number of grounds to GREAT effect in added speed/bandwidth, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & DNSBL too in a way, + more, doing 10 things that say, AdBlock CANNOT do & DNS servers also (which custom hosts compliment, & overcome THEIR deficiencies as well))...
... apk
See my subject-line - Is THAT the "best you've got", trolls?? Apparently so!
* Tell you what though (to the troll that downmodded my post in a cowardly "hit & run" manner, with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind the downmod, whatsoever) - THUS, We'll do my USUAL simple challenge to you:
Go for it - Disprove each of my points here in favor of custom hosts files usage for end users in a myriad of benefits here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
(Funny how THAT little challenge of mine ALWAYS gets evasions, eh? LMAO, "NOT"...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what makes ME laugh the hardest of all - seeing "effete retaliation" in these utterly UNJUSTIFIABLE downmods of my posts, & from the "wannabe experts" here on /., vs. "lil' ole' me" & that list of points in favor of custom hosts files for end users on a number of grounds to GREAT effect in added speed/bandwidth, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & DNSBL too in a way, + more, doing 10 things that say, AdBlock CANNOT do & DNS servers also (which custom hosts compliment, & overcome THEIR deficiencies as well))...
... apk
See my subject-line - Is THAT the "best you've got", trolls?? Apparently so!
* Tell you what though (to the troll that downmodded my post in a cowardly "hit & run" manner, with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind the downmod, whatsoever) - THUS, We'll do my USUAL simple challenge to you:
Go for it - Disprove each of my points here in favor of custom hosts files usage for end users in a myriad of benefits here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
(Funny how THAT little challenge of mine ALWAYS gets evasions, eh? LMAO, "NOT"...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what makes ME laugh the hardest of all -
Seeing "effete retaliation" in these utterly UNJUSTIFIABLE downmods of my posts, & from the "wannabe experts" here on /., vs. "lil' ole' me" & that list of points in favor of custom hosts files for end users on a number of grounds to GREAT effect in added speed/bandwidth, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & DNSBL too in a way, + more, doing 10 things that say, AdBlock CANNOT do & DNS servers also (which custom hosts compliment, & overcome THEIR deficiencies as well))...
... apk
See subject-line - Mb Apparently so!
* Tell you what though (to the troll that downmodded my post in a cowardly "hit & run" manner, with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind the downmod, whatsoever):
We'll do my USUAL simple challenge to you - Disprove each of my points here in favor of custom hosts files usage for end users in a myriad of benefits here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
(Funny how THAT little challenge of mine ALWAYS gets evasions, eh? LMAO, "NOT"...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what makes ME laugh the hardest of all!
I.E./E.G.-> Seeing "effete retaliation" from the "wannabe experts" here on /., vs. "lil' ole' me" & that list of points in favor of custom hosts files for end users on a number of grounds to GREAT effect in added speed/bandwidth, reliability, "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs & DNSBL too in a way, + more, doing 10 things that say, AdBlock CANNOT do & DNS servers also (which custom hosts compliment, & overcome THEIR deficiencies as well))... ... apk
Adblock can do #2 and #8, and it should not do these other things. When I want to fuck with my DNS, I'll use a tool designed for the job, not your broken and featureless hosts nonsense. And did I mention bloated? You have a tenth of the features for thousands of times more CPU and memory usage.
You don't need programming ability to use Adblock either -- I don't even bother to configure it, just install and forget about it. If an ad slips through, I right click on it and select "block this with AdBlock." It doesn't get easier than that.
Your silence on the subject of DNS servers is pretty telling. Really this hosts nonsense is just your complete ignorance of what the rest of the world uses DNS for, and how they do that. You don't understand CNAMES and AAA records, and so you've kludged your way through to something that *almost* a DNS server.
There's a colossal and impotent arrogance about you. Ozymandias is really quite perfect: You don't know how to learn from others -- it's vaguely impressive that you've managed to teach yourself anything. You don't even know how to process the idea that other people solved DNS years ago, because you have a solution.
It's probably an attitude that served you well in the 80s, when computers were an arcane art and there weren't any resources other than yourself. Today, if I have a problem, I can immediately find out how other people solved it. I would never try to write a script to update a hosts file, because people smarter than I am solved that issue and there are thirty or forty software packages that do that. Those smart people have moved on to other things like DNSSEC and automatically securing email.
Thirty years ago, using a hosts file was a good idea. Twenty years ago we replaced it with something better, but it was still useful. Ten years ago it was completely outmatched for the task. Today it is thoroughly obsolete and only ever in fringe cases. Ten years from now it won't be used at all, and in twenty years it will be entirely forgotten. "...Nothing beside remains."
With that in mind, here's a (partial) list of what hosts can't do:
Hosts can't block part of a domain.
Hosts can't block files based on content (e.g. swf or java applet).
One hosts file does not affect other computers on the same LAN (see also "shitty DNS server").
Hosts can't be changed from within the browser.
Hosts cannot block entire top-level-domains (*.ru), you have to use a Fully-Qualified Domain Name (FQDN).
Hosts cannot block things that are not explicitly listed in the hosts file.
Hosts can't return actual DNS records, only IP addresses. This can increase the number of DNS queries needed.
Hosts can't easily be edited remotely. You can do it with Powershell on a LAN, but not otherwise.
Your solution of logon scripts only works for windows computers. Real useful, that. How is it better than normal DNS propagation? Only in looney-land.
Hosts is vulnerable to DNS cache poisoning, MITM attacks, and denial-of-service attacks.
Hosts can't allow a domain but block cookies.
Being a simple file, hosts is an easy target for viruses and malware. Do you know if something has been added to it? I actually have mine under source control, but I'm not using windows and it's more of a byproduct.
Hosts can't point a single domain to multiple IP addresses.
In most systems, most of the time, hosts will not have a positive effect on how fast your favorite websites load. Your browser and the Windows DNS Client Service already have caches. As mentioned in the previous post (the microsoft.com article), when the WDNSCS is enabled, the hosts file is parsed into memory; the OS doesn't actually touch the file for every request. This can be verified by checking the access time. Other operating systems behave identically.
Hosts can't redirect one host name to another host name.
And I've mentioned it before, but it's pretty im
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
See subject-line, & no questions asked? YOU FAIL & you proved it by not showing that AdBlock does ALL of what hosts can do... lol!
After all - the tool that DOES MORE is truly the SUPERIOR one (especially when it makes up for outright blatant DEFICIENCIES in your "more moving parts" & more CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O + electricity consumed by the combination of AdBlock, DNS servers locally, plus something you omitted, in firewalls rules tables).
"So at this point, I've written detailed, essay-length posts, with documentation and benchmarks. You've kept repeating the same busted points" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
Busted? You mean YOU ARE "BUSTED" since I showed 10 things AdBlock can't do, that HOSTS CAN... pretty simple!
You can't show adblock doing all 10 of them, thus, I dusted you... fact!
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"Adblock can do #2 and #8" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
I thought it was called ADBLOCK (& should be called "AlmostALLAdsBlocked" since the advertisers bought it out & CRIPPED IT, lol)... not "MalwareServersAndTrackerBlocker"... lol!
Sorry - you fail here on that alone... letting the advertiser FOX run your AdBlock henhouse (that only a "cluck", lol, like you would "champion" like a FOOL would).
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"and it should not do these other things" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
Ah, "because Tenebrousedge who has done SHIT in computing says so", right?
WRONG!
I FIND IT FUNNY YOU WON'T QUOTE ME POINT-BY-POINT AS I DO YOUR POINTS AS I DESTROY THEM SYSTEMATICALLY... why's that?
You said I don't READ your posts? Funny - responding point by quoted point on my part shows QUITE otherwise!
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"When I want to fuck with my DNSAdblock can do #2 and #8, and it should not do these other things. When I want to fuck with my DNS" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
Ever heard of DOWNED dns servers? How about "DNS-'poisoned'" ones??
What if I want to make my favorites sites, once fully properly reverse DNS ping resolved to their correct IP address & put into the hosts file as a hardcode to SPEED UP THEIR RESOLUTION???
(It's faster than calling out to remote DNS servers by far, & doesn't consume the CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O that a locally setup DNS server does, NOR the electricity.... which also adds more COMPLEXITY!)
APK
P.S.=> Time to do my usual, & dismantle you further, "point-by-'so-called 'point'" of yours - something YOU said I don't do, but I quote you directly & answer, unlike YOUR massive "evasive maneuvers" blowing over things I dusted you on point by point:
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"Your silence on the subject of DNS servers is pretty telling." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
Funny I noted them repeatedly in this thread!
With how custom hosts files can do a better job locally, even supplementing remote DNS host-domain to IP address translations since locally resolved host-domain name to IP address occurs FAR faster than calling out to REMOTE DNS SERVERS!
(And, by doing hardcoded favorites in your hosts file of your fav. host-domains you go to, the 1st thing the IP stack looks to no less, vs. your "solutions" that add not only added COMPLEXITY, but also added CPU cycle, RAM, & other forms of I/O consumption, needlessly, & electricity as well because of it, vs. custom hosts files usage!)
YOUR "SUDDEN SILENCE" ON 10 THINGS ADBLOCK CANNOT DO THAT HOSTS FILES CAN IS QUITE "TELLING", now, isn't it? Absolutely... it told everyone this:
YOU FAIL!
Since the tool that does more is de
It can't block all ads by default. It's owned by advertisers. Do you have foxes guard your henhouses too?
Per my subject-line: I'll let OTHERS here do the talking on that account:
"I've been upmodded repeatedly, you have not." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
I've repeatedly also shown that AdBlock cannot do all custom hosts files can, which you don't deny, and the same with DNS servers (eating more power, cpu cycles, ram, & other forms of I/O too) which custom hosts files actually COMPLIMENT & help overcome some of their shortcomings too.
HOWEVER:
See my 'p.s.' below for a LARGE LIST of your peers' opinions on custom hosts files, in their quoted statements AND upward modded posts of mine on them - as well as those of a security pro from Symantec's SecurityFocus.com & more my posts on hosts' upmods from the past, not "today" or "yesterday" like yours are only...
(ANYONE can have multiple registered 'luser' accounts for that much - even Mr. Bruce Perens is aware of how THAT works!)
(Oh, & "eat your words", flavored with "the bitter taste of SELF-DEFEAT" and your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH on that very account, lol...)
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"Clearly Slashdot has its opinion of the argument." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
Right - see my p.s. below on that very note & the words of your /. peers, their upmods of my posts on HOSTS, and a security pro too also - prepare to "eat your words"... funniest part is, this:
YOU could have "upmodded" yourself, easily... anyone can do it with multiple "registered 'luser'" accounts here (I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie doing it... ala "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" type tactics!)
Perhaps I'd best let THIS MAN speak on that too:
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
Considering your "upmods" happened SO SUDDENLY too... gosh, how many of your alternate registered 'luser' accounts' modpoints did you DRAIN doing it? Lol...
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"As the final nail in the coffin, I'm going to package this argument into a blog post, and see what Hacker News and the rest of the world think. See you around!" - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
Go for it - I'd like to see it myself, assuming you don't "edit it" to YOUR liking only, omitting points of mine I made to blow yours CLEAR away (such as AdBlock NOT DOING AS MUCH AS CUSTOM HOSTS FILES CAN & others on DNS servers also, etc./et al).
APK
P.S.=> NOW PER MY SUBJECT-LINE ABOVE vs. your statements I just quoted now:
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* THE HOSTS FILE GROUP 40++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):
APPLYING HOSTS TO DIFF. PLATFORM W/ TCP-IP STACK BASED ON BSD: 2008 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1944892&cid=34831038
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 ->
He left already - too bad: I didn't unload the FINAL TOUCH on him from this page & my security guide for Windows quote in it:
"(It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock, &/or NoScript (especially this one, as it covers what HOSTS files can't in javascript which is the main deliverer of MOST attacks online & SECUNIA.COM can verify this for anyone really by looking @ the past few years of attacks nowadays), for the concept of "layered security")"
FROM -> http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/secure-windows-2000-xp-server-2003-and-even-vista-make-fun-do-t3511888.html
* Where that PROVES I use adblock too (as well as external FILTERING vs. malware/phishing/spamming etc. DNS servers such as OpenDNS, NortonDNS, ScrubIT DNS, & Comodo DNS too, external to my home setup!)
APK
P.S.=> My main point here was to show I use ALL of what is possible almost in terms of the BEST THING WE HAVE GOING IN SECURITY TODAY:
The concept of "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", which that statement above of mine I quoted from it, as well as the ENTIRE GUIDE ITSELF, proves with ease...
He took off though -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41932659 before I could "spring that 'final touch'" on him... oh well! Another time...
... apk
I absolutely TOASTED that fat fool when he said he was an "expert on exchange", & I mean LITERALLY!
(After he trolled me to 3 forums on 3 diff. sites, in addition to email harassing me, stalking me to Windows IT Pro)
So, over @ Windows IT Pro forums he said that, & during the "memory optimization hoax" debate.
I then brought out documentation from Microsoft themselves SHOWING how memory optimizers, specifically in that case clearmem.exe by MICROSOFT no less, can unhalt frozen/stalled exchange servers... so much for "expert" fatboy Jay Little!
He then stalked me to NTCompatible.com & attempted to debate me on IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO BSOD stopcodes' meaning (which is either failed drivers or failed hardware iirc) & was banned from that site too, lol.
Lastly, in frustration, he put up literal death threats on his website & others which got removed AND got Jay Little's hosting provider to REMOVE HIS SITE @ CrystalTech.com too, lmao...
(Couldn't have happened to a NICER (not) guy...)
* Bringing THAT fat fool into the picture? Not a "real big help" to you, now was it??Nope...
APK
P.S.=> In other words - thanks for pointing out a victory of mine vs. a fat imbecile that shot his mouth off & let me shut it for him... lol!
... apk
Just a side note to apk from a semi-intelligent lurker (all IMHO):
You are being professionally had here by a paid industry/gov shill, FF+AB can be conveniently "outlawed" anytime anywhere, no so much with ancient and therefore inevitable hosts file.
KUTGW.
Right after this -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41933709 (where he could NOT show that AdBlock could do ALL of what custom hosts can as I said it couldn't, & he then tried some "b.s." that I turned aside with ease, point-by-point of his "so-called 'points'", each time...).
* HOWEVER, my "favorite" thusfar from this exchange?
Here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41934655
(As there is NOTHING quite like making a troll "eat his words" after I quote his falsehoods spouted, letting others in his /. peers speak for me... putting his b.s. away, easily - especially after he called me ALL types of names, many with the meaning 'retarded' etc./et al!)
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"You are being professionally had here by a paid industry/gov shill" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @02:47PM (#41934881)
Funny how he began calling me NAMES though, lol, in typical trolling OFF-TOPIC illogical ad hominem attack style (the last resort of trolls)!
Then, when I challenged him to show he'd done MORE, better, & EARLIER than I have in the art & science of computing (from a partial list of my favs only mind you, done while he was STILL IN DIAPERS I bet)?
He ran then too, nothing to show for himself...
(No, he's no "professional" by any means, or he would have been able to DUST my tiny partial list imo)...
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"FF+AB can be conveniently "outlawed" anytime anywhere, no so much with ancient and therefore inevitable hosts file." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @02:47PM (#41934881)
Interesting "POV" on that one, doubt it would happen, but it IS possible (anything is)... hmmm! Too bad tenebrousedge isn't around anymore to address it since he ran.
APK
P.S.=> I didn't get to unload the "FINAL TOUCH" of mine on him either (which predates this exchange by YEARS, & my words in it that dust him):
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"(It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock, &/or NoScript (especially this one, as it covers what HOSTS files can't in javascript which is the main deliverer of MOST attacks online & SECUNIA.COM can verify this for anyone really by looking @ the past few years of attacks nowadays), for the concept of "layered security")"
FROM -> http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/secure-windows-2000-xp-server-2003-and-even-vista-make-fun-do-t3511888.html
From YEARS ago (late 2007 is when I re-authored it, & it also has quotes on filtering DNS servers in it as well!)
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* Where that PROVES I use adblock too (as well as external FILTERING vs. malware/phishing/spamming etc. DNS servers as well, such as OpenDNS, NortonDNS, ScrubIT DNS, & Comodo DNS too, external to my home setup!)
Showing I actually USE & RECOMMEND Adblock, but, I was out to show adblock couldn't do ALL of what hosts can, & that DNS servers with their issues can be COMPLIMENTED by hosts, but dns servers also eat more CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O, thus electricity too, & add complexity too...
( AND, for what in the latter especially? Doing what custom hosts can??)...
... apk
To hide /. people's opinions on hosts as apk posted them? Pitiful.
Pretty pitiful downmodding his post when it shows truth.
Since all you have is unjustifiable downmods of my post? A challenge to you:
Disprove EACH of my points I posted here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 that are in favor of custom hosts files!
* With VALID computing-technical points... not off-topic b.s.!
(Now - you do THAT? Then, you've actually made a solid point (instead of effete "hit & run" downmods with no substance to them)).
APK
P.S.=> Face the music & that challenge troll, instead of being the cowardly little WORM you are that's unable to face me directly...
... apk
Go away bot face.
"In most systems, most of the time, hosts will not have a positive effect on how fast your favorite websites load." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
Per my subject-line (your /. peers findings AND that of a security expert from SYMANTEC also):
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SLASHDOT USERS EXPERIENCING SUCCESS USING HOSTS FILES QUOTED VERBATIM - regarding added SPEED specifically:
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"I want my surfing speed back so I block EVERY fucking ad. i.e. http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ and http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm FTW" - by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Tuesday December 13, @12:04PM (#38356782)
"this is not a troll, which hosts file source you recommend nowadays? it's a really handy method for speeding up web and it works." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday March 22, @08:07PM (#39446525)
"I use a custom /etc/hosts to block ads... my file gets parsed basically instantly ... So basically, for any modern computer, it has zero visible impact. And even if it took, say, a second to parse, that would be more than offset by the MANY seconds saved by not downloading and rendering ads. I have noticed NO ill effects from running a custom /etc/hosts file for the last several years. And as a matter of fact I DO run http servers on my computers and I've never had an /etc/hosts-related problem... it FUCKING WORKS and makes my life better overall." - by sootman (158191) on Monday July 13 2009, @11:47AM (#28677363)
"I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17, @11:20AM (#38086752)
"I'm currently only using my hosts file to block pheedo ads from showing up in my RSS feeds and causing them to take forever to load. Regardless of its original intent, it's still a valid tool, when used judiciously." - by Bill Dog (726542) on Monday April 25, @02:16AM (#35927050)
"Web browsing is really very fast, provided you turn off advertising. I set them up with a combo of Ad Block Plus on Firefox, and a customised hosts file. They can't believe the difference." - by VShael (62735) on Monday June 29 2009, @11:35AM (#28514655)
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NOW, THE FINDINGS OF SECURITY EXPERT Mr. Oliver Day @ SecurityFocus.com (a division of Symantec):
Resurrecting the Killfile
Oliver Day, 2009-02-04
FROM -> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491
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PERINTENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:
"The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet — particularly browsing the Web — is actually faster now."
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* Lastly, of course, is myself... you are "outnumbered" 8:1 already as the ratio here...
APK
P.S.=> Care to explain those findings, vs. your words quoted above?
... apk
Those are not my posts, that's the cool thing about posting as AC, you never know who you're replying to. But for future reference, it's not professional to refer to your own posts as evidence. That's where public citations come in. The fact you don't have any is proof enough that your shrilling for people to use your program.
I use a host file to block ads, but I don't use yours. Thankfully the guy I use doesn't resort to coming on forums and spamming.
"Where does this data come from to rewrite the hosts file come from?" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @09:26AM (#41931449)
See my subject-line & I've told you already - from 12 reputable & reliable sources that are security community members (such as hpHosts/malwarebytes, or Norton/Symantec, or ZeusTracker, or MVPS.org, & more as just some RESPECTED "examples thereof" - that's all...)
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"Are you saying that your program uses my bandwidth to re-download this hosts file (as often as I like, how convenient)," - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @09:26AM (#41931449)
Ahem: IS there another way? DNS servers do the SAME, BUT they can take up to 24 hours to "propogate" to the 13 root DNS servers too no less (lagtime)... hosts are IMMEDIATE, & resolve host-domain names FAR faster locally than does calling out to a remote DNS server!
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"and then uses my cpu cycles and electricity to constantly (every 1/2 second) re-apply read-only attributes to my local copy? " - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @09:26AM (#41931449)
Programs DO that... what can I say? LMAO...
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"It does this all the time, even when I'm not using any Internet-enabled applications? " - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @09:26AM (#41931449)
By default it protects the hosts file (above & beyond UAC) - would you rather it didn't? New NEWS/NewsFlash/Clue: IF you have a malware operating on your rig, & you don't realize it? Good thing it does so... think about it!
(Optionally - You can turn that off easily though, as to the write-protect attribute setting IF you wish!)
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"Sounds great!" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @09:26AM (#41931449)
Thank-You - it's "pretty good" & been a small hobby/labor of love of mine since late 2003, improving it here & there as I go (I only released it @ the suggestion of pals that use it, they like it is why... I rarely RARELY if ever do "freebies" anymore, as that's a "younger man's game" when you're first starting out in this field, & it's useful for interviews when you're still "just outta college", for something to show potential employers in say, interviews... things got SO bad with malware though since 2004, I decided to "put her out there"... that's all, just to help as MY contribution vs. malware in general!)
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"Sure, I can put my favorites into a hosts file, but sometimes (like on Slashdot, here) those sites like to link to other sites, including sites that I've never visited or even heard of. If your hosts file doesn't have an entry for it, my CPU and hard drive are going to waste electricity poring through the document, trying to find a match, only to go out to the public DNS servers anyway." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @09:26AM (#41931449)
WELL, that's when you have options for BETTER DNS SERVERS - ones that FILTER vs. online threats in fact (I use them myself, & they're pretty "widely recommended" in the following):
Norton DNS:
198.153.192.1
198.153.194.1
198.153.192.60
198.153.194.60
198.153.192.50
198.153.194.50
198.153.192.40
198.153.194.40
OpenDNS:
208.67.222.222
208.67.220.220
ScrubIT DNS:
67.138.54.100
207.225.209.66
Comodo Secure DNS:
http://www.comodo.com/secure-dns/switch/windows_vista.html
8.26.56.26
8.20.247.2
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"I fail because I agreed with you? Indeed." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @09:26AM (#41931449)
FAIL? No... you just seemed OVERLY "sarcastic" about adbanners shown to ha
Ok, per my subject-line above? Here you go, contrary data:
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Roughly 224++ of them & I post as AC (hard to get even +1, as /. hides our posts & we "AC"'s start @ ZERO/0 points, unlike registered "lusers", lol!):
+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (6):
HOSTS & BGP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450
FIREFOX IN DANGER: 2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38268580
TESLA:2010 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1872982&cid=34264190
TESLA:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1806946&cid=33777976
NVIDIA 2d:2006 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175774&cid=14610147
COMPUTER ASSOCIATES BUSTED FOR ACCOUNTING FRAUD:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102
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+4 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (5):
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167071&cid=13931198
INFO. SYSTEMS WORK:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=13531817
WINDOWS @ NASDAQ 7++ YRS. NOW:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1290967&cid=28571315
CARMACK'S ARMADILLO AEROSPACE:2005 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158310&cid=13263898
What I admire about Theo DeRaadt of BSD fame: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3007641&cid=40785151
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+3 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (6):
APK MICROSOFT INTERVIEW:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155172&cid=13007974
APK MS SYMBOLIC DIRECTORY LINKS:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166850&cid=13914137
APK FOOLS IE7 INSTALL IN BETA HOW TO:2006 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175857&cid=14615222
PROOFS ON OPERA SPEED & SECURITY:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=273931&cid=20291847
HBGary POST in Fake Names On Social Networks, a Fake Problem:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2375110&cid=37056304
APK RC STOP ROOKIT TECHNIQUES:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1021873&cid=25681261
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+2 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (20):
CODING FOR DEFCON (my compressed/packed exe + sizecheck @ startup technique): 2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158231&cid=13257227
HOW DLL API CALL LOADS WORK:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comment
"That's where public citations come in. The fact you don't have any is proof enough that your shrilling for people to use your program." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, @05:10PM (#41936441)
Oh, really? 1st, I've been "modded up" for posts & points I made on effectiveness of hosts files many times on /.:
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* THE HOSTS FILE GROUP 40++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):
APPLYING HOSTS TO DIFF. PLATFORM W/ TCP-IP STACK BASED ON BSD: 2008 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1944892&cid=34831038
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1197039&cid=27556999
0.0.0.0 IN HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1143349&cid=27012231
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1198841&cid=27580299
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139705&cid=26977225
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1319261&cid=28872833 (still says INSIGHTFUL)
APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068&cid=32960808
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1743902&cid=33147274
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1862260&cid=34186256
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 (w/ facebook known bad sites blocked) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1924892&cid=34670128
HOSTS and BGP +5 RATED (BEING HONEST):2010 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450
HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE:2010 ->
E.G.-> "Linux kernel this released" or "Open SORES that" but, that's "ok" right?
* Give us a break, troll...
APK
P.S.=> Instead of "trolling" others, why don't YOU try to learn to write programs yourself, & be of service to others?
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
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"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
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* That includes YOU, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no... it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens quote above, he says it BEST imo!
... apk
Funny YOU should say THAT - Why are YOU posting as AC then, troll, IF "registered 'luser'" accounts are "So great"?
(Talk about "pot calling the kettle black" on YOUR part, lol!)
* Also - Little children might live for "karma points", but not me... pretty simple! What does being a "registered 'luser'" REALLY gain me here? Zero...
APK
P.S.=> Mind you also - "registered 'lusers'" here? EASILY TRACKED FOR TROLLING "sheeple" imo...
Thus, I will NOT "play your game", playing right into your hands, so you can do THAT, to me either... get it? Good!
(See, fact a fact: I am just way, Way, WAY too intelligent for a troll like YOU to EVER "get the best of me" & make me fall into a trap like that... for what? So I can be "just like you"?? Hell no, lol... no way!)
... apk
no. we don't take your orders ac troll. get over it. yer mama may respond to your tantrums. we dont.
1,) Are OWNED by ADVERTISERS - foxes guard your henhouse fools...
2.) Truth Ghostery tracks you by default
3.) Truth that AdBlock doesn't block all ads anymore...
* Of course #4 (the BIG one) There's also the truth that NONE OF YOU AC TROLLS CAN DISPROVE MY POINTS IN FAVOR OF CUSTOM HOSTS FILES HERE -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
APK
P.S.=> Custom hosts files give users a myriad of benefits in added speed/bandwidth (by blocking ads AND hardcoding in your favorite sites into hosts), reliability (via hardcodes, against downed or DNS 'poisoned' redirected DNS servers), anonymity (vs. DNS request logs) & the ability to circumvent DNSBLs (DNS block lists) IF the users wishes... & MORE!
... apk
Why'd you post as AC if "registered 'luser'" acct.s are so great?
APK
P.S.=> So you can be childish, & "troll" me??
... apk
Disprove my points in favor of custom hosts files here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
* What's the matter trolls? Can't see to manage THAT "little challenge" above, now can you??
Nope... lmao!
(I know it, YOU KNOW IT, & based on your lack of results? So does everyone else reading here too...)
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: You FAIL, trolls... your inadequacy is showing - & ALL THE UNJUSTIFIABLE DOWNMODS IN THE WORLD can't help you trolling cowards vs. that, lol...
... apk
Downmodding to *try* to "hide" his utter FAIL here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41920163
* To combat Windows 8's problem in Windows Defender's overly aggressive settings on hosts files, my solution works (& is the recommended one) - create an exception for hosts files in it... period!
APK
P.S.=> Every time you trolls "bogusly" downmod my posts with NO VALID TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATION behind your downmod applied? You only prove my points for me, & folks DO SEE MY POSTS regardless of the downmod anyhow (as well as your defeat vs. myself)...
... apk
Without Adblock, User requests a piece of content -> Firefox uses content policies to determine how and whether a request should be sent -> Firefox checks the local browser cache for the file -> " - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
You're reading from the FF browser cache, NOT making a fresh host-domain name resolution to IP address... that's cheating right there! I can claim the SAME once my browser fills its own caches too...
HOWEVER, FIRST? How does ANY program get ip address to host-domain equations? By calling out FIRST to the local hosts file & then DNS caches, then remote DNS!
(NOT "magically" like you *try* to make it out as, from AdBlock or FF - they HAD to make calls to DNS or hosts, first!)
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"Firefox requests the DNS record for the domain in question -> The OS parses the local DNS cache (the hosts file should be preloaded)-> finds address 0.0.0.0, returns that to Firefox. Adblock stops that process at step 2." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
Next, hosts files that are LARGER (like mine is) SHOULD NOT get loaded into Windows' local DNS cache because the local DNS clientside cache service "breaks down" with larger hosts files!
Next error you made?
You also used a list of your "favorites" in your b.s. "test" that is NEARLY DOUBLE the size of the one I use, @ only 20 entries @ THE TOP OF THE HOSTS FILE!
(The time taken, thus, would be SMALLER than your DNS resolution result... which I don't trust!)
Next - Your DNS result? That is NOT FROM A REMOTE DNS, no way... 3ms results from a remote DNS server take @ least 30ms & often into the 100's of ms!
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"A "plain" manually updated hosts file is going to be larger in itself than any other form of blacklisting. " - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
NOT if you do it as I do for your "favorites" (I keep 20 hardcoded in hosts) - 20 line items @ the top of my hosts file WILL NOT TAKE 3ms to read!
Especially once cached into either the local indexed clientside DNS cache, OR the local kernelmode diskcaching subsystem - & in MY case, read up from a 0ms access/seek TRUE SSD based on DDR2 ram...
You also did NOT use a remote DNS... no way, NOT with a 3ms result only!
Perhaps, once cached? Maybe!
HOWEVER, NOT ON INITIAL REQUESTS for IP address resolution for host-domain names to resolve!
(That's your "cheat" deception here, along with you OBVIOUSLY NOT USING A REMOTE DNS!)
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* BOTTOM-LINE - Your test is bullshit... and you KNOW it!
Top that all off again with the FACT that AdBlock's written in SLOWER interpreted languages (perl/python/javascript) & ,b>AdBlock runs in a SLOWER ring of privelege on webbrowsers, compound that "slow" by layering over them too!
Hosts files = run by the IP stack itself, with over 40++ yrs. of optimization put into them AND written in FAR FASTER C & Assembly code, plus, running in a FAR FASTER ring of privelege than AdBlock does (ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode).
APK
P.S.=>
"I took a minute to actually test this. Atom netbook, Linux, Firefox 17 beta, Adblock Plus, Firebug, Mozilla's internal DNS/file cache disabled, hosts file 34 lines long:
Normal DNS name resolution: 3 ms.
With hosts blocking : 3 ms.
With Adblock : 0 ms." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @03:11PM (#41923329)
Try it with a custom hosts file with ONLY 20 FAVORITES "hardcoded" into it, like I use (to equate to a DNS indexed search over roughly 2++ million records, that would take, @ most, that many tries is why I settled for that amount ONLY)...
Thus - The hosts result will be small
As well as those of a security pro from SYMANTEC -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41936149
* As is, you're "outnumbered" 8++:1 as the ratio as to speed gains people see using custom hosts files...
APK
P.S.=> After my disproving your B.S. methods of "testing" here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41943501
?
GOOD LUCK with your "test" carrying ANY "weight" @ all & being valid - you'll NEED it...
... apk
Answer the question: Why are you trolling me by ac posts?
* The ONLY thing I can think of, is that I have "dusted" you before in your registered 'luser' account SO MANY TIMES, you're afraid to use it now, since I will throw your PAST defeats to myself in your FACE again!
APK
P.S.=> After all - you've NAGGED me to make an account here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41936263
... apk
"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" since I KNOW why you do -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41944293
* NO QUESTIONS ASKED... lol!
You've been "dusted" by me, SO MANY TIMES in technical computing debates via your normal "registered 'luser'" account!
Thus, now your "geek angst" is up in "looking for revenge" (lol) via "effete retaliations", since your "sensibilities offended" (since you screwed up vs. myself SO MANY TIMES, lol),!
(Thus, ALL YOU HAVE? Is AC trolling & using your registered 'luser' account modpoints to downmod nearly all of my posts!)
There is no other answer ( & you are REDUCED to such reprehensible b.s.!)
APK
P.S.=> LMAO @ TROLLS - they're ALL THE SAME...
... apk
Doesn't change a thing - his "test method" is FLAWED -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41943501
How so?
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1.) He used a LOCAL DNS SERVER most folks don't have these setup (as I know there is NO WAY a REMOTE DNS SERVER returns results in only 3ms... no way, as they typically return results for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses in 30-100's of ms...)
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2.) He used a LARGER custom hosts file set of "favorites"...
a.) That is THE only thing I care that gets speed out of MY custom hosts file - the rest are BLOCKED & I could care less HOW FAST they are gotten to - I never intended to get to them in the 1st place!
b.) I place my favorites @ the TOP OF MY HOSTS FILE, which even beats DNS server indexing up to 2++ million records or so...
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3.) He queried a local browser cache
a.) It's NOT able to obtain hosts-domain names resolutions, by itself as he said, to IP addresses BEFORE the IP stack gets it for it! that comes WAY before that...
b.) The IP stack is written in C & Assembly with over 40++ yrs. of optimization put into it, running in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode
c.) That is FAR faster than usermode browsers are which slow up more with addons (firefox proves that much easily, load it up with addons & see)
d.) HOSTS act merely as a FILTER for the IP stack, & hosts are the FIRST THING YOUR SYSTEM QUERIES (then dns clientside caches, then remote DNS)).
---
* YES - I've even WRITTEN tenebrousedge on it, as well as Mr. Steven Burn of hpHosts/malwarebytes (for a 2nd opinion)...
Mr. Burn agrees MY points are SOLID as a rock, & to "pound tenebrousedge into the dirt", lol!
(Not out to do that last part, just out to set the record straight... )
After all: I put up testimonials not only from myself, but 7 others on /. on SPEED GAINS ALONE from custom hosts files, but also the SAME FINDING FROM A SECURITY EXPERT @ SYMANTEC!
Someone's going to be made out a liar here, and I rather STRONGLY SUSPECT, it's NOT going to be myself, the /.'ers whose testimonials I used, as well as Mr. Oliver Day from SecurityFocus.com/Symantec...
APK
P.S.=> AdBlock is owned by ADVERTISERS (you're letting your henhouse be guarded by foxes, and IT DOESN'T BLOCK ALL ADS ANYMORE by default either - this is a shame actually, as Mb (before it was "souled-out") for "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" purposes... Ghostery? Not THAT MUCH DIFFERENT - owned by ADVERTISERS too, & it tracks you by default via GhostRank!)
AND?
AdBlock cannot DO AS MUCH FOR YOU AS custom hosts files can - this thread showed that much here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41933709 (and, I'd like to see AdBlock do #2 & #8 from my list - those are TRACKERS & MALICIOUS SERVERS, not adbanners - hosts block those, adblock? No!)...
... apkDoesn't change a thing - owned by ADVERTISERS
1.) He used a LARGER custom hosts file set of "favorites" - mine has 20 @ the TOP of my custom hosts file (important) - NOT 34 (almost double)...
a.) That is THE only thing I care that gets speed out of MY custom hosts file - the rest are BLOCKED & I could care less HOW FAST they are gotten to - I never intended to get to them since they're blocked out, in the 1st place!
b.) I place my favorites @ the TOP OF MY HOSTS FILE, which even beats DNS server indexing up to around 2++ million records or so...
---
1.) He used a LOCAL DNS SERVER most folks don't have these setup, as they waste CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O PLUS electricity as a result of those things, and more complexity (as I know there is NO WAY a REMOTE DNS SERVER returns results in only 3ms... no way, as they typically return results for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses in 30-100's of ms...) - NOR DID HE FLUSH THE LOCAL DNS CACHE!
---
3.) He queried a local browser cache AND had the local DNS cache active, non-flushed first!
a.) NEITHER AdBlock nor FF are able to obtain hosts-domain names resolutions, by themselves as he said, to IP addresses BEFORE the IP stack gets it for it, FIRST - that comes WAY before that...
b.) The IP stack is written in C & Assembly with over 40++ yrs. of optimization put into it, running in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode
c.) That is FAR faster than usermode browsers OR THEIR ADDONS are which slow up more with addons (firefox proves that much easily, load it up with addons & see)
d.) HOSTS act merely as a FILTER for the IP stack, & hosts are the FIRST THING YOUR SYSTEM QUERIES (then dns clientside caches, then remote DNS)) for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses...
---
4.) Nor did tenebrousedge account for time taken by AdBlock itself, parsing for WHAT to block out - this is NOT some "absolutely free operation", nothing is... 0ms? Impossible, unless it occurred in nanoseconds!
---
* YES - I've even WRITTEN tenebrousedge on it, as well as Mr. Steven Burn of hpHosts/malwarebytes (for a 2nd opinion)...
Guess what?
Mr. Burn agrees MY points are SOLID as a rock, & to "pound tenebrousedge into the dirt", lol!
(Not out to do that last part, just out to set the record straight... )
"In most systems, most of the time, hosts will not have a positive effect on how fast your favorite websites load." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
WTF? TO THAT?? I put up testimonials -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41936149
( Not only from myself, but 7 others on /. on SPEED GAINS ALONE from custom hosts files as well as the same findings from a SECURITY EXPERT @ SYMANTEC! )
(Someone's going to be made out a liar here, and I rather STRONGLY SUSPECT, it's NOT going to be myself, the /.'ers whose testimonials I used, OR Mr. Oliver Day from SecurityFocus.com/Symantec... but, we'll see!)
Someone modded this down last time I posted it - why not disprove what I wrote instead of a "hit & run downmod" IF the downmod is so valid? It apparently isn't, & they're trying to "hide" this post...
APK
P.S.=> BOTTOM-LINE/IN CLOSING: AdBlock is owned by ADVERTISERS (you're letting your henhouse be guarded by foxes, and IT DOESN'T BLOCK ALL ADS ANYMORE by default either - this is a shame actually, as I ACTUALLY USED TO RECOMMEND IT TO USERS IN MY SECURITY GUIDES FOR WINDOWS USERS:
See here:
"(It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock, &/or NoScript (especially this one, a
Shall we count your -1 posts?" - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 10, @04:19PM (#41945191)
I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both the same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
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"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no... it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens quote above, he says it BEST imo!
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927211
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well...
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED, since you can't disprove my points with valid facts!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well... since all you have is downmods with NO VALID JUSTIFICATION behind them, by disproving facts I stated.
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41926813
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED, since you can't disprove my points with valid facts!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well... since all you have is downmods with NO VALID JUSTIFICATION behind them, by disproving facts I stated.
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41941937
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED, since you can't disprove my points with valid facts!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well... since all you have is downmods with NO VALID JUSTIFICATION behind them, by disproving facts I stated.
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41941937
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED, since you can't disprove my points with valid facts!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well... since all you have is downmods with NO VALID JUSTIFICATION behind them, by disproving facts I stated.
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41941907
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED, since you can't disprove my points with valid facts!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well... since all you have is downmods with NO VALID JUSTIFICATION behind them, by disproving facts I stated.
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41920163
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED, since you can't disprove my points with valid facts!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well... since all you have is downmods with NO VALID JUSTIFICATION behind them, by disproving facts I stated.
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41936149
APK
P.S.=> If the "best you've got" is unjustifiable downmods vs. facts I post? YOU FAILED, since you can't disprove my points with valid facts!
Nice part is - you know it, I KNOW IT, anyone with 1/2 a brain reading does as well... since all you have is downmods with NO VALID JUSTIFICATION behind them, by disproving facts I stated.
So, keep "blowing" your modpoints downmodding my posts - you'll "run dry" of them sooner or later & you won't be able to *try* to "hide them" via your bogus downmods you apply to nearly all of my posts - my posts like this one beneath those of mine you downmod? Bring them RIGHT BACK INTO VIEW... lol!
Only a matter of time...
... apk
1.) He used a LARGER custom hosts file set of "favorites" - mine has 20 @ the TOP of my custom hosts file (important) - NOT 34 (almost double)...
a.) That is THE only thing I care that gets speed out of MY custom hosts file - the rest are BLOCKED & I could care less HOW FAST they are gotten to - I never intended to get to them since they're blocked out, in the 1st place!
b.) I place my favorites @ the TOP OF MY HOSTS FILE, which even beats DNS server indexing up to around 2++ million records or so...
---
1.) He used a LOCAL DNS SERVER most folks don't have these setup, as they waste CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O PLUS electricity as a result of those things, and more complexity (as I know there is NO WAY a REMOTE DNS SERVER returns results in only 3ms... no way, as they typically return results for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses in 30-100's of ms...) - NOR DID HE FLUSH THE LOCAL DNS CACHE!
---
3.) He queried a local browser cache AND had the local DNS cache active, non-flushed first!
a.) NEITHER AdBlock nor FF are able to obtain hosts-domain names resolutions, by themselves as he said, to IP addresses BEFORE the IP stack gets it for it, FIRST - that comes WAY before that...
b.) The IP stack is written in C & Assembly with over 40++ yrs. of optimization put into it, running in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode
c.) That is FAR faster than usermode browsers OR THEIR ADDONS are which slow up more with addons (firefox proves that much easily, load it up with addons & see)
d.) HOSTS act merely as a FILTER for the IP stack, & hosts are the FIRST THING YOUR SYSTEM QUERIES (then dns clientside caches, then remote DNS)) for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses...
---
4.) Nor did tenebrousedge account for time taken by AdBlock itself, parsing for WHAT to block out - this is NOT some "absolutely free operation", nothing is... 0ms? Impossible, unless it occurred in nanoseconds!
---
* YES - I've even WRITTEN tenebrousedge on it, as well as Mr. Steven Burn of hpHosts/malwarebytes (for a 2nd opinion)...
Guess what?
Mr. Burn agrees MY points are SOLID as a rock, & to "pound tenebrousedge into the dirt", lol!
(Not out to do that last part, just out to set the record straight... )
"In most systems, most of the time, hosts will not have a positive effect on how fast your favorite websites load." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
WTF? TO THAT?? I put up testimonials -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41936149
( Not only from myself, but 7 others on /. on SPEED GAINS ALONE from custom hosts files as well as the same findings from a SECURITY EXPERT @ SYMANTEC! )
(Someone's going to be made out a liar here, and I rather STRONGLY SUSPECT, it's NOT going to be myself, the /.'ers whose testimonials I used, OR Mr. Oliver Day from SecurityFocus.com/Symantec... but, we'll see!)
Someone modded this down last time I posted it - why not disprove what I wrote instead of a "hit & run downmod" IF the downmod is so valid? It apparently isn't, & they're trying to "hide" this post...
APK
P.S.=> BOTTOM-LINE/IN CLOSING: AdBlock is owned by ADVERTISERS (you're letting your henhouse be guarded by foxes, and IT DOESN'T BLOCK ALL ADS ANYMORE by default either - this is a shame actually, as I ACTUALLY USED TO RECOMMEND IT TO USERS IN MY SECURITY GUIDES FOR WINDOWS USERS:
See here:
"(It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock, &/or NoScript (especially this one, a
1.) He used a LARGER custom hosts file set of "favorites" - mine has 20 @ the TOP of my custom hosts file (important) - NOT 34 (almost double)...
a.) That is THE only thing I care that gets speed out of MY custom hosts file - the rest are BLOCKED & I could care less HOW FAST they are gotten to - I never intended to get to them since they're blocked out, in the 1st place!
b.) I place my favorites @ the TOP OF MY HOSTS FILE, which even beats DNS server indexing up to around 2++ million records or so...
---
1.) He used a LOCAL DNS SERVER most folks don't have these setup, as they waste CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O PLUS electricity as a result of those things, and more complexity (as I know there is NO WAY a REMOTE DNS SERVER returns results in only 3ms... no way, as they typically return results for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses in 30-100's of ms...) - NOR DID HE FLUSH THE LOCAL DNS CACHE!
---
3.) He queried a local browser cache AND had the local DNS cache active, non-flushed first!
a.) NEITHER AdBlock nor FF are able to obtain hosts-domain names resolutions, by themselves as he said, to IP addresses BEFORE the IP stack gets it for it, FIRST - that comes WAY before that...
b.) The IP stack is written in C & Assembly with over 40++ yrs. of optimization put into it, running in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode
c.) That is FAR faster than usermode browsers OR THEIR ADDONS are which slow up more with addons (firefox proves that much easily, load it up with addons & see)
d.) HOSTS act merely as a FILTER for the IP stack, & hosts are the FIRST THING YOUR SYSTEM QUERIES (then dns clientside caches, then remote DNS)) for host-domain name resolution to IP addresses...
---
4.) Nor did tenebrousedge account for time taken by AdBlock itself, parsing for WHAT to block out - this is NOT some "absolutely free operation", nothing is... 0ms? Impossible, unless it occurred in nanoseconds!
---
* YES - I've even WRITTEN tenebrousedge on it, as well as Mr. Steven Burn of hpHosts/malwarebytes (for a 2nd opinion)...
Guess what?
Mr. Burn agrees MY points are SOLID as a rock, & to "pound tenebrousedge into the dirt", lol!
(Not out to do that last part, just out to set the record straight... )
"In most systems, most of the time, hosts will not have a positive effect on how fast your favorite websites load." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Friday November 09, @11:16AM (#41932659)
WTF? TO THAT?? I put up testimonials -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41936149
( Not only from myself, but 7 others on /. on SPEED GAINS ALONE from custom hosts files as well as the same findings from a SECURITY EXPERT @ SYMANTEC! )
(Someone's going to be made out a liar here, and I rather STRONGLY SUSPECT, it's NOT going to be myself, the /.'ers whose testimonials I used, OR Mr. Oliver Day from SecurityFocus.com/Symantec... but, we'll see!)
Someone modded this down last time I posted it - why not disprove what I wrote instead of a "hit & run downmod" IF the downmod is so valid? It apparently isn't, & they're trying to "hide" this post...
APK
P.S.=> BOTTOM-LINE/IN CLOSING: AdBlock is owned by ADVERTISERS (you're letting your henhouse be guarded by foxes, and IT DOESN'T BLOCK ALL ADS ANYMORE by default either - this is a shame actually, as I ACTUALLY USED TO RECOMMEND IT TO USERS IN MY SECURITY GUIDES FOR WINDOWS USERS:
See here:
"(It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock, &/or NoScript (especially this one, a
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no... it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens quote above, he says it BEST imo!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no... it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no - After all, it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no - After all, it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no - After all, it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no - After all, it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no - After all, it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Do I really care? Lol, heck no - After all, it's just a forums, & trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies... thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru... see Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... and, rather badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... & rather badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
---
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
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* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
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"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
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* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
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"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
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* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
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"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
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* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
Many here "game" (cheat) the moderation system to do so in fact, & for example? I caught tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS to do so (using them BOTH, they're both that same person, to "mod herself up" when she was downmodded for trolling, & to mod down her opponents with).
In fact, I'll even let a "Big Name" Open "SORES" guy speak on this very account:
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"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
---
* YES - That includes YOU too, troll... I know you've got a "registered 'luser'" account & are just "trolling me" by ac replies. Thus, I can strongly also wager YOU are downmodding my posts to 'harass' me!
The "Chinese Water Army" &/or "HBGary" are the same as well...
(Except they got CAUGHT in the act doing it using 100's of "bogus" trolling accounts to do so!)
APK
P.S.=> Trolls like YOU? Easily seen thru - See Mr. Perens' quote above, he says it BEST imo!
So, until YOU disprove my points with valid facts here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41919329 ? YOU FAILED... badly!
... apk
"Requests that are not generated by the browser are faster than ones that are and resolve locally in the hosts file." - by Tenebrousedge (1226584) on Thursday November 08, @06:20PM (#41925925)
Why on EARTH would the browser make requests to things that the Operating System & IP stack ALREADY KNOW ARE BLOCKED via the custom hosts file filter for?
* The IP stack, via the hosts file, has ALREADY determined that anything BLOCKED is blocked before the browser EVER HAS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHAT IT IS IT IS LOADING!
In fact, because of that fact?
Custom hosts file blocking makes AdBlock REDUNDANT & actually wasteful, based on the entries in line item records the custom hosts file has in it...
It's the same principle advantage custom hosts files have over remote DNS servers - you never HAD TO CALL OUT TO THEM (for favorites you 'hardcoded' into the custom hosts file, OR, for blocked out known malicious sites)...
Plus locally resolving host-domain names to IP addresses is going to occur MUCH faster out of a custom hosts file, off mechanical HDD's even (7ms access on a 10k rpm one here, 16mb buffer & driven off a Promise Ex-8350 128mb ECC Ram Caching RAID controller) but even FASTER how I have it setup - from a 4gb DDR2-RAM based Gigabyte IRAM SSD (0ms seek/access)...
Then, it's just parse & initial load (slowest part of it), into memory based caching (fast as it gets) - Especially once cached into the local DNS client OR the way I do it, the diskcaching kernelmode subsystem.
It's a lot faster than calling out to some host-domain that resolves out as NXDOMAIN, taking 30-100's of ms... by far.
APK
P.S.=> You're not thinking about this in the RIGHT ORDER (you are thinking "browser onwards" & the IP stack had to do work in this area, first)
Since the IP stack already KNOWS what is blocked, and you MUST GO TO THE IP STACK TO GET ONLINE, first, period - NOT your webbrowser first!
... apk
See this link -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41949911
* That's all I am saying, per my subject-line above!
APK
P.S.=> The funniest one's what your entire "test" rides upon, using browsers OR ADBLOCK to determine what is blocked or what is an adbanner!
Clue: That's ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED BY A BLOCKING CUSTOM HOSTS FILE, loaded + cached into RAM, & THE IP STACK LONG BEFOREHAND as well as for your "hardcoded" FAVORITE SITES IN IT...
... apk
Are illogical & off-topic, ala your post here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41927201
* "EAT YOUR WORDS"... Mr. "Pot calling a kettle black"!
APK
P.S.=> Funniest part is, you can call me "A Pathetic Kook", all you like!
HOWEVER:
Until you've accomplished what I have in the art & science of computing BEFORE YOU WERE OUT OF DIAPERS I strongly suspect, and so many times too in the eyes of others in many areas, that you are just hurting I confronted you with that much in response to your weak illogical failing off topic ad hominem attack - best part is, when YOU were confronted to show me you've done MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER than I? You had ZERO, pal...
... apk
Did him in, right here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3239985&cid=41949911
* ALWAYS THE SAME with these "web boys" thinking things START WITH THE BROWSER, & clue - they don't!
(As far as your online stuff, it starts with the IP stack, first, & what gets QUERIED FIRST? The hosts file!)
APK
P.S.=> It is WHY they are SO EASY to 'take down', and with facts, everytime - they think out-of-order!
... apk
To convince me, finally, after *all* these years, to make the switch 100% to open source in my house. FreeBSD on the desktops and laptops, pfSense on the firewall and FreeNAS on the file share. Why no Linux you ask? Simple: Linux has spent the better part of three decades playing catch-up to Microsoft. Gnome3 hammers my unspoken point home. Yeah, got it. Gnome isn't Linux, but they're wedded to each other in a symbiotic fashion.
Microsoft's Hidden Windows 8 Feature: AIDS
The apps that show ads are analogues to websites. I don't see how it's a huge deal that they're going to have ads.
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
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* Now, what was that you said again, Tenebrousedge? Mr. Perens seems to agree with me, so, you can STOP trying to tell us "b.s. like bogus downmods or upmods don't happen on /.", ok?? Good.
APK
P.S.=> You blew it anyhow - how?
Your ENTIRE premise rests on YOU saying "the fastest request is one that doesn't need to be made", & I agree!
Howeverl, "new NEWS/NewFlash/Clue" - When you use a custom hosts file with adbanners & malicious sites block, as well as your favorites "hardcoded" into it (as I do @ the very top of the file)? You don't have to...
(& yes, that means BROWSERS & AdBlock too - because guess what the 1st thing is your system queries? The IP Stack, & what's it query FIRST? The local hosts file - so all your name tossing? Only projecting YOU messed up, & you KNOW it...
... apk
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