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Ask Slashdot: What Are the Most Stable Smartphones These Days?

janimal writes: The iPhone used to be the smartphone that "just works." Ever since the 4S days, this has been true less and less with each generation. My wife's iPhone 6 needs to be restarted several times per week for things like internet search or making calls to work. An older 5S I'm using also doesn't consistently stream to Apple TV, doesn't display song names correctly on Apple TV and third party peripherals. In short, as features increase, the iPhone's stability is decreasing. In your opinion, which smartphone brand these days is taking up the slack and delivering a fully featured smartphone that "just works"?

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  1. Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed on i by DeadlyFoez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every phone seems to have this same issue, but it is not the phones fault. It's the fault of what the owner installs on it. My wifes galaxy mega was great at first, but now that she has all these stupid games installed it is buggy and needs to be restarted regularly.

  2. Hands down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows Phones (at least the Lumias).

    1. Re:Hands down by JawzX · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agreed, the last time I restarted my 928 was because it ran out of Battery. Before the 8.2(denim) update I had some cell-radio failures every once in a while that required a restart to resolve, and camera freak-outs with failure to reinitialize auto exposure, but since the update it has "just worked" all the time, every time, Apps may crash but the system stays up, all feature work as advertised, and it's tough as nails too. I may be moving to an Icon soon, I certainly WILL NOT be getting an Android or iOS device. I admit to occasionally wishing there was the embarrassment of app support those platforms have, but then I realize I have all the time wasters I need and most of the productivity stuff I need and I don't have to deal with all the other bullshit.

    2. Re:Hands down by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Windows Phones (at least the Lumias).

      Yup. My next phone will be a Windows Phone. I'm so fucking sick of Android.

    3. Re:Hands down by chr1st1anSoldier · · Score: 1

      Then you must not have updated your phone because WP reboots when it updates. It doesn't do it automatically, but it gives you a nice little prompt asking you to reboot and update after it has downloaded updates. I get reboot notifications from my carrier if I go too long without rebooting my WP, that's usually with in a week or two of up time. Those reboot to update or maintenance restarts don't include the random crash and reboots that happen with my phone every now and again or the phone simply just crashes and becomes unresponsive leaving me to pull the battery and put it back in. I would say my Windows Phone needs to be rebooted two to three time minimum a month.

      So, as a fellow Windows Phone user I am going to call B.S. on your post.

    4. Re: Hands down by johanw · · Score: 1

      I don't want a phone that "just works". I want a phone I can play with and tweak to my preferences. Windows phony and iOS are too locked down and the former has no sepcialist apps anyway. I prefer Android, rooted of course with my privecy protected by XPosed and XPrivacy. If I need a phone that "just works" I buy a $11 Samsung burner phone. Much cheaper.

    5. Re:Hands down by ralphbecket · · Score: 1

      I've been using WP for about five years now and my experience aligns with JawzX, not yours. They're rock solid phones I only have to restart once in a blue moon. I've had a Samsung and two lumias over this time and they've been equally good.

    6. Re:Hands down by JawzX · · Score: 1

      I'm a Verizon customer (i live in northern Vermont, Verizon OWNS this part of the world, if i actually want to have LTE I have no choice), my last sanctioned update was Christmas last year. I have, in fact, run the battery dead since then.

    7. Re:Hands down by JawzX · · Score: 1

      I have a Lumia 928 on Verizon.

    8. Re:Hands down by sensationull · · Score: 1

      +1 Rock solid

  3. None by Khyber · · Score: 1, Troll

    Almost every Win Mobile phone refuses to work with my WiFi point (thought it sees it.)

    Droid phones aren't fully featured. They're feature-creep.

    iOs is so much more of a horrible piece of crap now than it was before. It has drastically dropped the performance of my fiance's 4S with the latest revision.

    My old Nokia does everything I need. Still works. I can turn on and dial 911 faster than you can get past your splash screen.

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    1. Re:None by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Wow, people still make calls on these things? How quaint...

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    2. Re:None by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

      You laugh, but old school rotary phones could still call for emergency help if the power went out, they didn't hang, they didn't get viruses, they didn't get firmware "upgrades" that stopped them from working properly or at all, they didn't run out of their own batteries in the middle of a long call...

      For once, I'm 100% in agreement with Khyber. Smartphones in a world with modern laptops, tablets, headsets and feature phones just look like a mediocre compromise to me. About the only thing they seem to be better at than any of the numerous other devices available is letting someone check Facebook every 10 seconds without actually having to take anything out of a pocket. At least until someone updates something remotely for them and breaks that functionality, anyway...

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    3. Re:None by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      at least we can make phone calls on our dumb 'feature' phones while you guys reboot...

      my old flip phone goes 7-10 days between charges (and that's a fair amount of use, not just sitting in a purse for a week)... charges from near nothing to full in 15 minutes... 'boots' in under 3 seconds (probably faster if it weren't for the carrier's animation at poweron)... has no ads... is smaller.... is more durable... is immune to 'butt dialing'... has real buttons... costs less.. both hardware and service plan.... doesn't bother me with notifications from a bazillion apps.... doesn't get slower every 3-6 months with every software update (more like.. 'what software updates?')... can't get viruses or trojans....

    4. Re:None by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I have a 60 year old dial phone that still functions perfectly. And show me any cell phone that can be used to inflict adequate blunt force trauma more than once and still work. Damn glass play toys are no better than a Broken Beer Bottle

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    5. Re: None by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I don't know, carrying multiple devices might make sense if the devices perform their task well and the single device does not. Before I owned a smartphone, I literally never had a phone reboot on me. Rebooting is not a feature, it indicates that the phone is not working correctly and needs to be fixed or replaced. If no smartphone works without rebooting, then all smartphones need to be replaced. The absolute most poorly performing feature on any smartphone I have used is the phone, and the phone is not a feature, it is the primary function. If it cannot do that well, then the entire phone is rubbish.

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    6. Re:None by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "We get it, you're an idiot stuck in the past"

      I get it, you're an idiot that can't be bothered to think critically, let alone even try refuting my points (all of which I can record video evidence of and shove right in your ignorant face) so all you can do is try to insult.

      Well, while you think I'm stuck in the past - I own four of these.

      I know what technology is worth purchasing and using. Smartphones are not one of those technologies. They've been nothing much more than a marketing gimmick, a dangerous distraction for those on the road, and a means for ever-increasing privacy invasion. Base fucking line price for a phone now days without contract runs you almost $500. I can get portable computer hardware ten times as powerful for the same price that actually performs multitasking.

      Let's put down an example, starting with iOs. I used to do some side courier stuff for a university. I log into a webpage on an iPhone, find my order, load it up, then I tell Apple Maps to direct me to the address. Okay, now that I'm there, I go back to the webpage, only to find out that fucking Safari INSISTS on reloading the page. Except now I'm in an area where there's NO CELLULAR SIGNAL and thus I obviously can't refresh the page, which has gone blank because Apple is too fucking stupid to have any sort of intelligent swapfile. Now I can't get my order back up on the fucking screen and I have to step outside to get a signal and bring the order page back up.

      ABSOLUTELY FUCKING USELESS. Meanwhile, I can do the same thing with a laptop, and I NEVER have to worry about losing the webpage when I go look at another program. And I haven't SINCE THE DAYS OF THE PENTIUM 2.

      Smartphones are poorly-designed, loaded with gimmicks, and for the price you pay, you get absolutely shit performance and usability in comparison to any other piece of real computer hardware near the same price.

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    7. Re:None by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1

      You should try some different types instead of allowing your experience with one particular model to define your outlook on smartphones.

      Looking at my current smartphone for example, I can:-

      - Make phone calls which go via the cellular network or wifi depending on where I am
      - Send picture messages to people from any country without having to pay extortionate messaging charges
      - Take quick, spur of the moment, photos or videos of situations which arise when I didn't take my DSLR with me
      - Surf the web anywhere without having to carry a big tower case and monitor
      - Receive and respond to emails which might require a timely response (e.g. time limited offers)
      - Listen to music from a wide variety of sources
      - Interact with social media from anywhere

      And I can do all of these things, and more, without having to carry a suitcase with 10-15 different devices.

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    8. Re:None by kuzb · · Score: 1

      I don't have to reboot. My phone works 100% of the time. I'm not sure what strange world you live in where smartphones are "not reliable", but it's certainly not this one.

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    9. Re:None by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Point being? My cellphone works while the power is out too. Making that argument is just stupid beyond all reason.

      You guys can be idiots together. You act as if smartphones somehow don't do their jobs, or that they're all massively unstable which is total bullshit. The fact is, they do the job the legacy phones do, and more. They do it reliably too, despite what you'd like to believe.

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    10. Re:None by kuzb · · Score: 1

      My bat works better, is more form fitting to my hand, and achieves greater velocity in a swing. It's not surprising you refuse to use the right tool for the job. Seems like the order of the day for people here.

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    11. Re:None by kuzb · · Score: 1

      This doesn't change the fact that you're an idiot stuck in the past. The fact that half your arguments are flat out stupid, and the other half are flat out wrong shows me you're the one incapable of thinking critically.

      "I know what technology is worth purchasing and using. Smartphones are not one of those technologies."

      over a billion people disagree with you.

      "They've been nothing much more than a marketing gimmick"

      You either don't understand what one is capable of, or your'e too stupid to see the possibilities.

      "a dangerous distraction for those on the road"

      Because this is something we all do right? Use our phones on the road? Because one can do a thing it does not follow that one must do a thing. Really try to apply those critical thinking skills.

      "Base fucking line price for a phone now days without contract runs you almost $500"

      You're looking at the wrong phones. I can name at least 3 which came out well under $500.

      " I can get portable computer hardware ten times as powerful for the same price that actually performs multitasking."

      Android multitasks (more of your ignorance) and a phone fits in your pocket. The "10 times more powerful" computer hardware won't, and often doesn't come equipped with a cell transmitter unless you buy that separately.

      I'm not even going to bother with the whole iphone example, it smacks of fucking idiocy and ignorance.

      "ABSOLUTELY FUCKING USELESS. Meanwhile, I can do the same thing with a laptop, and I NEVER have to worry about losing the webpage when I go look at another program. And I haven't SINCE THE DAYS OF THE PENTIUM 2."

      Good god, you really DO live in the past.

      "Smartphones are poorly-designed, loaded with gimmicks, and for the price you pay, you get absolutely shit performance and usability in comparison to any other piece of real computer hardware near the same price."

      Two different devices designed for entirely different use cases. It's obvious your experience and understanding is so minimal it can't even be taken seriously. You really are a complete idiot. Luddites need to shuffle off this mortal coil so we don't have to listen to them whine any more.

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    12. Re:None by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I use bat for baseball. As a communication device, its long distance value is limited.

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    13. Re:None by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      My cellphone works while the power is out too.

      Sure, as long as the batteries last and you have useful reception in your current location (and the base station isn't affected by the outage). These are relevant concerns with a cell phone, while they matter little with a traditional land line.

      You act as if smartphones somehow don't do their jobs, or that they're all massively unstable which is total bullshit.

      That's a matter of opinion. Do they crash every five minutes? Of course not. Do they crash often enough to be annoying and potentially dangerous? Yes, every major mobile OS platform has had this problem at various points in recent years. Given this is a device you might need to call an ambulance one day, none of the major platforms has a great record on stability.

      As for doing their jobs, there have been a few antennagate-style stories over the years, where some fundamental design flaw has undermined the basic functionality of the device as a phone. It seems popular to make thinner smartphones with larger screens that then bend or break in your pocket lately.

      Modern smartphones seem to be about on par with PVRs and so-called Smart TVs. They do their job up to a point, and they do offer some advantages over the devices we used before. On the other hand, they are also trying to do too many different things to do any of them really well, they often try to be a bit too clever about how they do them too, and at some point these things affect the reliability of the system and/or raise security and privacy concerns.

      I often have a feature phone in my pocket and a tablet in my case/bag, and I have yet to find anything I want to do while I'm out and about where a typical modern smartphone would be better at it than one or other of the devices I actually use. YMMV, but I'd be genuinely interested to hear of any common tasks that a modern smartphone really is better at than other widely used but more specialised devices, because I can't think of any myself.

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  4. Blackberry. by damnbunni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, seriously. Blackberry OS 10.3 is pretty damn solid. I don't have any issues with system stuff crashing on my Q10.

    I do have some apps crash, but that's the app developer's problem. Not much the OS vendor can do about that.

    I initially got a Blackberry because I wanted a hardware keyboard, and couldn't find an Android with a good one. However, after using the Q10 for a while, I would hate to go back to Android even with a good keyboard - I really, really like the Hub and the way gestures work.

    Blackberry's voice assistant isn't as flexible as Google's or Apple's, so that might be an issue for you. It works well within what it's designed to do, though.

    Apps can be an issue. Usually for anything I want an app for there's one or two apps, probably paid, versus thirty free ones in the Google Play store. I can access the Amazon Appstore for Android (comes with the OS) and sideload Snap, which lets me use the Google Play store, but the phone lacks some Android services so a good chunk of apps don't work. The Android runtime's pretty solid, so the apps that don't need Play Services work well.

    1. Re:Blackberry. by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      I'd say the OnePlus One which comes with CyanogenMod already. No extras, no gop, all the good parts of Android without extras, it just works and is less expensive. https://oneplus.net/one

      Otherwise, any of the phones that have CyanogenMod available for them, but that requires the user download and click an app along with running windows software to install, so easier to just buy the phone that uses it directly.

    2. Re:Blackberry. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      I initially got a Blackberry because I wanted a hardware keyboard, and couldn't find an Android with a good one.

      Interestingly, just the other day I found this. I wonder how good it is.

    3. Re:Blackberry. by damnbunni · · Score: 1

      My experience with CyanogenMod is pretty negative, both on a Tmobile G2 (Desire Z) and Galaxy SII.

      It wasn't too bad on the G2, though I had random app closes, but on the SII it's horrible. The dialer can't even make calls reliably. I switched that phone back to the stock ROM last week.

    4. Re:Blackberry. by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

      Blackberry OS is like Android in that it doesn't prioritize the UI thread, so it suffers from lag issues. I can attest to the lag with my Z10.

    5. Re:Blackberry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Blackberry 10 is the most stable OS available currently. Period. I have a Z30, Z10, and a Q5. The Z30 with 10.3 is my main driver. The phone itself NEVER crashes. If an app happens to crash (and it will only ever be an Android app that does) it does not effect the rest of the OS because of how QNX separates everything. A crashed app just closes and you simply open it again.

      There might be lag on a Z10 but a Z30 or higher (or quite honestly, even my Q5) does not lag that I have ever experienced no matter what I was doing.

      And if you really want the Android apps, the maker of Snap has also developed the complete setup for installing Google Play Store so you can purchase premium apps or whatever you like, all without having to sideload or have any technical savy at all. Ironically, I can also update my Android apps at least 2 or 3 times as fast as it takes my Nexus 7 to update.

      I no longer use any Apple or Android phones but I still have a couple of Ipads and a Nexus 7, and honestly, IOS is getting steadily worse and unstable. I regret upgrading from IOS7 to IOS8 on my Ipad 3. It has become almost unusable at times due to instability and crashing. Speedwise, my Blackberry Z30 makes both IOS8 and Android KitKat (can't say about Lollipop yet) look like they are frozen and locked up. There is no waiting for apps or reaction from touches on the screen. It just goes. I can't stand lag when I'm on a phone.

      The Nexus 7 2013 has faired better but I have stopped at Kit Kat 4.4.4 and might just keep it there for the same reasons. If it's working good now, do I really wanna mess with an OS that is probably designed for higher spec'd newer devices?

      I have my tablets for play and entertainment for at home but when I'm out and need a stable and reliable phone, Blackberry is in a league of it's own. Even if it's only advantage was battery life, it would be worth it. I don't have to carry a charger on me when I take my Z30 out.

      I've given up trying to get through to Apple or Android fanboys who have their minds made up about Blackberry already. I could care less. If you want to put up with a slower, quirkier phone, good for you. I don't. They've won design awards for just about every Blackberry 10 device they're released and the masses are more concerned about what their friends think of their phone. You can't be an individual unless you are the same as your friends.

    6. Re:Blackberry. by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Part of the problem with Cyanogenmod is that very late (recent) versions of Android are available for phones which can barely run them. I have an OG Motorola Droid A855 (the very first Android phone) and you can get Android 4.4.2 for it! I tried it and it runs so horribly slow that it takes about 30 seconds to respond to each button press. I backed down to CM 10.1 and it is MUCH more responsive. It still gets stupid and slow as in everyone else's experience, but it will run acceptably for a few days before it needs another reboot.

      I think that's at least part of the problem, people are expecting old hardware to run the latest and greatest OS without a hitch. It'd be like trying to run Win7 on a 486. You might be able to do it but it would be a horrendous experience.

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    7. Re:Blackberry. by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

      How does the battery life compare to whatever smartphone you had previously (if your previous phone was a smartphone)?

    8. Re:Blackberry. by jpkunst · · Score: 1

      Blackberry Blend also works on OS X.

    9. Re:Blackberry. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I had a Blackberry Storm for awhile. It never crashed once. For me crashes only became a reality when I got an Android. I'd been used to the old dumb phones and the Blackberry, and I heard rumblings of people complaining of their Androids and IPhones crashing, but I didn't really listen. My brain didn't register that a phone could actually crash. A phone is a phone. Phones don't crash. Not even smartphones, or at least not my smartphone. It took converting to android for my senses to be dulled and my expectations lowered to be happy if my phone only crashed once or twice a month.

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    10. Re:Blackberry. by umdesch4 · · Score: 1

      Amen. I've had a Blackberry Q10 for 1.5 years now. This one time, it crashed, and I had to reboot it. Once. I was shocked when it happened.

    11. Re:Blackberry. by ClaymoreZA · · Score: 1

      I have a BlackBerry Passport, which has a large battery. Typically, I charge on the way to work, and when I leave work 8-9 hours later, I still have 60-70% battery left. When the phone hits 10% (it's only happened once or twice), I can still get another 3 hours.

    12. Re:Blackberry. by ClaymoreZA · · Score: 1

      I've not seen that on my Passport nor on my Z30, and I don't remember it on the Z10 either. The Z10 wasn't as fast as the Z30/Passport though.

    13. Re:Blackberry. by ClaymoreZA · · Score: 1

      All of my BlackBerry 10 phones have been incredibly solid; I very rarely needed to restart any of them. Interestingly, I still have an old (4 years) BlackBerry Playbook. Despite using it for 2-3 hours every single day, it probably been restarted only 20-25 times in that 4 years, and that includes for updates and flat battery.

    14. Re:Blackberry. by drewm19801927 · · Score: 1

      I would add that part of the problem is that in the mobile ecosystem, the march of technology isn't voluntary. Your phone is subject to a constant barrage of software updates that gradually make your phone slower and more crashy. Any software update that increases resource requirements ~should be regarded as a breaking change, but that is not the case. Since the entire smartphone industry works this way, the only real recourse for the user is to revert to a dumb phone, but that isn't terribly satisfying.

    15. Re:Blackberry. by InterBigs · · Score: 1

      I was quite happy with my Q10, but all the social apps (FB, Twitter) are always lagging behind and other apps are nonexistent. Also, my gf's Z10 has some serious issues since upgrading to 10.3.1, one is the fact that the battery only lasts for 8 hours, the other is that it's almost impossible to answer calls (the slider doesn't respond properly). So the QA at BlackBerry is definitely lacking. I know Apple has been getting a lot of shit for the quality of their software lately, but in my experience with my current iPhone 6 (my first iPhone) it's really not that bad. It's a really good phone.

    16. Re:Blackberry. by acoustix · · Score: 1

      Blackberry OS is like Android in that it doesn't prioritize the UI thread, so it suffers from lag issues. I can attest to the lag with my Z10.

      I have a Z10 with 10.3.1 and I don't notice any lag.

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    17. Re:Blackberry. by ControlsGeek · · Score: 1

      I am still using my Blackberry Tour 9630 as my daily driver. Darn thing just will not quit and I am so cheap I wont get rid of it until it does.
      It was purchased in 2010 and I have gone through several batteries. They last about a year and a half and then the talk time starts to degrade.
      I soon will have to give up on it because the batteries are getting harder to find. I have dropped it countless times and it is built to tough to get damaged.
      As for apps I don't have much use for them. I did download apps for my banking at two different banks. The phone Calendar, Email and BB Messenger are what I use most often. The last thing you want is for some app to hang up your phone when you need it to call 911 in and emergency. Keep it simple.

    18. Re:Blackberry. by xystren · · Score: 1

      I refuse to go with Apple, because I don't want a phone that I can't put a memory card in, or change a battery in. I refuse to go with Android because I don't want to get into bed with google and every time there is an Android update, it seems that some of your security settings are over written or everything is transferred to/from google. And most of all, I completely despise touch screen keyboards. 75% of the time when I used my wife's iphone (and past android device) that damn touchscreen/keyboard would never work or respond to my touch/gestures (I'm talking not working/responding, not just fat-fingering an entry) - hence the love for a physical tactile keyboard.

      My Blackberry Q10 solves virtually all of that, though occasionally (rarely) I do run into the touchscreen issue. I cant replace the battery, I can upgrade the memory card as needed, I can drop in a new SIM (the Q10 from Verizon is unlocked to begin with) card with no issues. The only real potential problem could be the lack of app support - but honestly, I have never found this to be an issue or a significant concern.

      I went from an old Samsung N400 half-flip phone, to a Palm Pilot Treo, and held on to that for almost 6 years, before I went to the BB Q10. I don't have a single regret with that decision - my daughter in laws, son in law, sister/brother in laws all with iPhones, Droids, and Windows phones always seems to have issues (battery life, connectivity, etc.) where my Q10 ends up being the go to phone for when those issues occur. Simply it just works and the year and a half I've had it, I've only needed to do reboot once. Put my vote in for BB for best stability.

      Cheers,
      Xyst

    19. Re:Blackberry. by xystren · · Score: 1

      I cant replace the battery

      That should read "I CAN replace the battery"

  5. Just works? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What does "just works" even mean? Do you want it to be able to reliably make phone calls without having to worry about software failing? Get a non-smart phone.

    If you want a "reliable" smart phone that doesn't need reset or suffer stupid ass software failures, get one of those $50 Samsung android smart phones. They are pretty reliable because they can't do much to begin with.

    If you want a top of the line, super-newest-version, can-serve-as-my-PC smart phone, you are going to have issues, just like every other computer doing complicated tasks does.

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    1. Re:Just works? by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      > If you want a "reliable" smart phone that doesn't need reset or suffer stupid ass software failures, get one of those $50 Samsung android smart phones.

      Some of them don't have a forward-facing camera, but generally speaking they have the same OS as the lastest and greatest from Samsung, and can do *everything* that any other Android phone can do.

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    2. Re:Just works? by tmosley · · Score: 1

      "They are pretty reliable because they can't do much to begin with."

      What can you do with a more expensive one that you can't do with a cheap one? My $100 Android seems to be able to run every ap I have downloaded. But then, I don't use it to play games, either.

    3. Re:Just works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hell, no, Samsung's low-end stuff is very unreliable.

    4. Re:Just works? by swillden · · Score: 1

      If you want a "reliable" smart phone that doesn't need reset or suffer stupid ass software failures, get one of those $50 Samsung android smart phones. They are pretty reliable because they can't do much to begin with.

      Huh? This makes no sense. If they're Android, they can do an incredible variety of stuff. Being low-end, they might not do it well, but they should run pretty much every Android app out there. If they "can't do much to begin with", they're not Android.

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    5. Re:Just works? by Clsid · · Score: 2

      For one, typing in the small screens is awful. Second, most of those models come with pretty bad touchscreens, both for display and for the touchscreen component (meaning non-capacitive). And the camera is mostly there to say that you have a camera, because those will take you back to the dark ages of digital cameras. So there are some trade-offs that are justified only when you see it in the money saving context.

    6. Re:Just works? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      What does "just works" even mean? Do you want it to be able to reliably make phone calls without having to worry about software failing? Get a non-smart phone.

      Ha! I had a number of "non-smart-phones" back in the late 90's and early 00's. After a while they'd develop some sort of problem that destroyed their usefulness. Sometimes it was general software crappery, occasionally it was something like the battery door had come loose and it'd jostle in my pocket and shut it down. On too many occasions I looked at the display, everything seemed okay, but it turned out the phone was frozen and needed the battery removed to be rebooted. I could not rely on these phones to act as an alarm clock, that's how bad they were. I eventually got a Palm Treo. It was less reliable than those, but at least it made up for it by having access to email and web browsing... sort of.

      When my contract was up with the Treo the iPhone was on its second revision. I didn't expect much but I switched over to it. It wasn't long before it became my primary alarm clock. I can honestly say that I have never had an alarm on any of my iPhones fail to go off*. I've never missed a call because the phone decided not to tell me. (That happened a LOT with my "not-smart-phones".) In the last 7 years I think I've only done a hard-reset twice. If I had to do it again I'd have to look it up.

      What I'm saying is I didn't have a reliable phone until I got a smart phone. Frankly if I had to switch to Android at some point, I'd go in quite confident I'd end up with a similar tale to tell.

      Now was it all sunshine and roses? No. Wifi is finnicky on Apple devices. It's a common complaint and I can tell you I've personally experienced it. Also, between iOS 7 and 8, the quality of the operating system has gone down. I don't know what's going on over at Apple, but either the switch to 64-bit was a much bigger problem than they let on or they're just not giving a shit. Yes, my phone always rings and my alarm always goes off, but it's only recently that I've actually seen glitchiness on these phones. Apple's promising that iOS9 is the 'reliable' version. I hope for their sake that they manage it.

      But I'm sorry, I found your comment funny. Maybe I'm not representative of a large group of people, but dumb-phones generally are crap.

      * I do, however, be extra careful when daylight savings time comes and goes because Apple has screwed that up multiple times. I don't know why it takes three tries to write alarm code that can survive an hour disappearing or reappearing.

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    7. Re:Just works? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      So the more you pay for something, the crappier you should expect it to perform?

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    8. Re:Just works? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Were these "non-smart" phones that came with a browser and ran Java apps?
      Or you were just unlucky and bought some crap. I remember that era as one of gimmicky phones with a run for the latest "features". Look, there's a color screen! Micro-payments to buy shit! Or a key presses itself in your pocket and it goes straight to the WAP browser, loading the portal page configured by the carrier.

      But these days, you can still get a non-smart phone with a very bland firmware. They want you to feel like the phone can't do anything (instead of loading it with "multimedia" features - though there are some - and a slow ass kiddy firmware)
      The best feature is USB power, so there's no need to get and carry proprietary chargers anymore. No need for special USB either, 5V 500mA is enough. Even a 10 minute trickle will add enough juice to carry on if you forgot to plug the phone in the last few days.

    9. Re:Just works? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Most were pre-WAP, all before USB charging. The last one I had before the Palm Treo was the first I had with a camera. The brands included Nokia, Motorola, and Sony Ericsson and only one was a 'free with contract' phone.

      Sorry, I don't buy the 'unlucky' guess.

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    10. Re:Just works? by Jobless+*topia · · Score: 1

      Why don't you just buy a cheap smartphone and install only essential apps on it? I have an Android One phone I use just for communication, no games. I have Galaxy Tab for that.

    11. Re:Just works? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Nope. True story, Sorry. Perhaps you didn't rely on your phones as much as you think you have.

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    12. Re:Just works? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      You've picked a strange topic to be butthurt about.

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    13. Re:Just works? by tmosley · · Score: 1

      I actually disagree with all of that. Maybe I'm posting from the future or something, but my L70 is dandy. Typing is rarely a hassle, and I haven't had any problems with the camera, though I haven't used it for much. The pictures it takes seem time to me, though I only look at them on the phone's own screen.

    14. Re:Just works? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, no irony (actual or the generally admissible definition of it) here. I think you replied to the wrong post.

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    15. Re:Just works? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      You did indeed hit s nerve. My funny bone! Your abuse of the word irony, for example.

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    16. Re:Just works? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Not even close. ;) Bear in mind that you're coming at it from a severe disadvantage.

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  6. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Yes.. Blaming the user for shitty software...

    Iphone is pretty well gardened up.. doubt the apps are causing the shitness

  7. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this a joke? Paid corporate fodder?

    You spew some anecdotal crap about iOS becoming less stable over time and then an almost rhetorical question about an alternative "fully featured smartphone that just works". The iPhone and Apple eco-system is the fully featured system that just works. If you're having a bad time now, don't even bother with Android -- just give up and get yourself and your wife some flip phones because the problem is the user not the OS or device.

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a long time Apple fanboy (my computers are all Macs, and I've had every iPhone ever made except for the 3G and the 6 Plus)... iOS has definitely lost any claim it had to being the king of stability. I had far fewer problems with my Moto X than I've had with the iPhone 6 I have now. It's been so bad that I'm seriously contemplating ditching this phone and getting a new Moto X. I wanted to get back into the Apple ecosystem for some convenience features, but it wears on me having to reboot the phone every day when it decides it can no longer reach the Internet. Apple has changed their focus away from software development and it very much shows. I'm still happy enough with OSX, but it's going to take a *lot* of convincing after this most recent iPhone experience to get me to come back to iOS.

    2. Re:WTF? by Tau+Neutrino · · Score: 1

      Your experience sounds very unusual. This can't be normal, or everybody would be screaming. Maybe you just have a lemon phone. It happens, and Apple should make it right. It's got a year of Apple Care. Fix the phone, rather than bitch about it.

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    3. Re:WTF? by umdesch4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, the odd thing is, every single person I know with an iPhone (too many to count, dozens perhaps?) has all kinds of strange problems with it that they feel compelled to tell me about, I guess because I'm "IT guy". They all say the same thing. It must be just them, because otherwise, everybody would be screaming. My assumption is that there is something severely wrong with iPhone owners.

    4. Re:WTF? by janimal · · Score: 1

      The reason you don't see many iPhone owners complaining is because they're probably ashamed that they spent the money on them and are still unhappy. I'm not an Apple hater. We own an Air (6 years and counting) that survived being dipped in champaign, a Time Capsule, an Apple TV and have bought together a total of 5 iPhones over the years.

      Our phones previous to the iPhones were Nokia N900, N97, E97, N95, Samsung Galaxy Omnia, Nokia 6310i, Sony Ericsson, and some other Nokias and Siemens, but that was a decade ago or more. iPhone stability beat everything else by far when we got in at 4S. It has declined since then.

      As for user culture, my wife regularily closes all apps, so as to limit their impact, she doesn't use stupid apps and doesn't play games. She learned to close apps ever since the N97.

      The previous best phone before 4S was by far the N95 and the 6310i before that.

      The decrease in stability over the Apple phone hardware and is versions is real. If you want hard data, please ask Apple for their support numbers ;) alternately, just check the support forums.

    5. Re:WTF? by DaTrueDave · · Score: 2

      I was having the same problems described here with my iPhone. I've been with Apple since smartphones became a thing, but last year I became tired enough of the iPhone bugs that I decided to switch to an Android. I went with the HTC One M8 and there definitely was a learning curve, but it's definitely more stable. No more rebooting it to make it work. It just works.

      I believe there was a time when the iPhone was more stable and easier to rely on, but that time has definitely past.

    6. Re:WTF? by kbdd · · Score: 1
      Did not want to get into this thread, but I can only recommend the Moto-X 2nd gen. I have lost count of how many phones I have had, starting with Blackberries, various Moto Droids, an iPhone 4S and now the Moto-X. There are several iPhones in my family (5C, 5S, 6 and 6+ so I am somewhat familiar with those, in addition to my personal experience with the 4S), While I generally like Android better than iPhones, over the years iPhones tended to be smoother (no jitters), just work (particularly with email) and have better battery life while offering fewer options if you just wanted to have a little bit of fun with your phone (why not?)

      The Moto-X changed that. It feels smoother than my wife's iPhone 6+ (she has almost no apps installed other than those that came with the phone), gesture controls are actually very useful and well thought out and Motorola phones don't have as much crapware as other Android phones (still more than iPhone though). My wife still beats me with battery life (she charges her iPhone every 2-3 days if she thinks about it) but the Moto-X 2nd gen lasts a full busy day and I am perfectly happy with that (I must add that I am on 4G all day, I have unlimited data and do not connect to my employer's wifi neywork). My wife's iPhone 6+ skips briefly when you rotate a video from vertical to horizontal, my Moto-X does not (on the same program). That was a surprise.. The Moto-X definitely made me a qualified Android fan. Everything happens instantly, the phone has never crashed or needed rebooting in the month since I have had it. Finally, Motorola phones stay in your hand better than any other and don't hit the pavement as much because of the texture on the back. Talk to somebody who owns one.

      You could do much worse than get a Moto-X 2nd gen.

    7. Re:WTF? by hawkbug · · Score: 1

      I don't like Android and have had iPhones exclusively ever since they came out in 2007. However, my iPhone 6 running iOS 8.X is the worst "smart phone" I have ever owned. Yes, it's that bad. For several months after I got it, it wouldn't reliably use Wifi, leaving me no choice but to use my cell data plan, which is capped. Tell me how that isn't absolutely horrible? No amount of calls to tech support or research on forums helped me. It didn't get resolved until iOS 8.2, which was only recently released. My phone also makes odd noises during phone calls. If I set my phone down while on a call using the ear buds, I can hear something happening with the gryoscope. It creates static sounds over the call when I set it down or move while talking. WTF? Additionally, I can name about 6 different bugs relating to their new CarPlay that I bought a stereo to use it with for my car. Amazingly, it's even worse bugs in the non-CarPlay version of USB audio that used to work just fine prior to iOS 8. There are also bugs with bluetooth, iMessage, and how the phone handles calls while you're doing something else. It used to elegantly pause my music and then happily start playing it again after the call. Now, I'm lucky if the phone doesn't reboot or bluetooth gets disabled and I have to restart my headphones, etc, etc. It's a complete nightmare and for the first time ever, I'm considering something like Windows phone or Android. That's how bad it's gotten.

  8. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    Every phone seems to have this same issue, but it is not the phones fault. It's the fault of what the owner installs on it. My wifes galaxy mega was great at first, but now that she has all these stupid games installed it is buggy and needs to be restarted regularly.

    I vote for stupid stuff. My Droid M works fine for two or three days after reboot but gradually gets slower and slower until the touch screen no longer responds.

    But I don't play games, and the only games on the device are the bloatware installed by the carrier. I suspect that the device's entire problem is related to bloat.

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  9. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

    Millions of slashdot arguments flared up in Rage at that statement :) After all, Micro$oft security problems was well established on /. to be the fault of the OS - and not what the user did....

    I've never had any issues with my Galaxy S5 - but then again, I shut apps off and discard them instead of installing stuff.

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  10. Re:The same as ever: Android by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're talking about stability here. If I compare the Apple devices I have used (iPhone 3G up to 5s) to the Android devices (various tables, and a Samsung phone we bought to replace my mother-in-law's iPhone 4), Apple still comes out ahead. I've had some hardware issues on the Apple devices, most notably the AntennaGate issue (noticable but hardly a real issue) as well as WiFi dying on an iPhone 4s (pretty uch bricking it, and just after warranty expired, of course). I have had hardware issues on Android stuff as well, mainly home buttons breaking and a battery dying because it got undercharged... the battery was replaced easily enough, but the new battery will break just the same if I leave the tablet off the charger for too long.

    Software wise, iPhones have been rock solid for me, a few minor issues asides. I have not had any major issues like I experienced on the Android devices, such as the browser getting hijacked somehow (with only a couple of regular apps installed), and one Samsung phone that at some point will just reboot every few minutes, with the only fix being a factory reset.

    Apple stuff still "just works". Unless it does not do out of the box what you want it to do, then chances are that you're stuffed if you picked iOS. iOS is a walled garden, but sitting here in my comfort zone I can't even see the wall, much less feel it or be bothered by it. Never even considered jailbreaking my phone. I don't like Apple or their business practices all that much, and I wish they'd open up their OS a little, but there is no way I'll switch to Android anytime soon after the decidedly poor experiences I have had with Android. But that is just personal, I know plenty of people who switched from Apple to Android and haven't looked back. Some others have returned to Apple. So perhaps it is mostly a matter of taste after all.

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  11. Re:The same as ever: Android by msobkow · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Heh. Actually, I hate all smart phones equally. I have absolutely no desire for a digital leash and tracking system. If I'm not home, leave a message. Rather than looking up restaurants on a phone, I decide where I'm going to eat before I leave the house and (shock of shocks!) look up directions on how to get there before I start travelling.

    For someone who has no computer at home, I can understand the appeal of combining phone/internet/music player/camera rather than buying separate devices, but if you've already got those devices, there isn't much benefit to a "smart" phone.

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  12. Re:Galaxy SII by hodagacz · · Score: 1

    I got my techphobic mom an SIII and she hasn't had any issues with it (I would have heard the instant there was any hint of a problem). She doesn't have anything but the basic ggogle/android apps installed and all the Samsung bloatware removed.

  13. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Ron+Goodman · · Score: 1

    Odd. My iPhone 6 goes for months at a time without being turned off.

  14. No problems with iPhone 6 by pghmike4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I'm pretty happy with the iPhone6: it just works. I'm on T-mobile, and I doubt I've had to restart it to get it to work more than 3 times since I got it in September 2014. My wife has had the same experience -- she can't recall ever having to restart it to get it to work.

    1. Re:No problems with iPhone 6 by sigmabody · · Score: 1

      Agreeing with this: no issues with the iPhone 6.

      I've had Windows (a while ago), Android (stock, Motorola), Cyanogen, and iOS. iOS is, by a good margin, the best "just works" OS for a smart phone, imho. Second is probably Windows at the moment, although I'd favor Cyanogen if you're not going iOS, because at least then you get some additional control of your device, rather than just a different walled garden. As always, stock Android brings up the rear, because not only do vendors fill it with bloatware, and it has long-standing usability issues that the devs simply don't care to fix (looking at you, unlock-on-bluetooth bug), but it rarely gets patched longer than a year out or so, so it gets inevitably worse over time.

    2. Re:No problems with iPhone 6 by puto · · Score: 1

      IOS 8 has had 9 updates since its release...

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  15. The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". by jpellino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your wife's iPhone needs to be looked at. Your 5S is streaming even higher res video to another device on a WiFi network (it couldn't be the home network - nah, impossible) yet here you are, putting a trend line on something with two data points. Yeah. That's how it's done.

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    1. Re:The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". by taustin · · Score: 1

      Too late for some.

    2. Re:The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It has all that but it's not exposed to the average end user. You take it to Apple and say my phones not working right.

    3. Re:The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". by skirmish666 · · Score: 1

      So, how do you "look at" an iPhone?

      An iPhone doesn't have syslog, an event viewer or console. It doesn't have debugging tools. It doesn't have a task manager or activity monitor that shows you what's using the most CPU or memory. It doesn't have strace.

      Mine does. Ofc if yours doesn't you could always take it to an authorised service centre and get the logic board tested.

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    4. Re:The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      would be nice if the user could look at their own logs and make a decision rather than have apple "look" at it, just to tell you to buy the new iShiny

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    5. Re:The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". by fostware · · Score: 1

      Google for "appletv streaming dropout"

      As far as I understand it, the tablet/phone uses wireless for data, and the other wireless band + bluetooth for AirPlay.

      With a household of various iPads & iPhones it's pot luck which device will stream a whole episode.

      Started with iOS 7, when iOS updates became more about the look than features...

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  16. Wireless Networking by willy_me · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my experience many problems can be attributed to networking. Most wireless routers have crap support for device discovery. I have some WNDR3700 routers are they were constantly requiring reboots. The only solution was to install a basic OpenWRT firmware - then they were great.

    So when a device can not connect to another, or freezes when communicating over the network - check your wireless network. Many problems that are realized on portable devices can actually be tracked back to other devices entirely.

    1. Re:Wireless Networking by mrsam · · Score: 1

      That's strange. My WNDR3700v3 is rock stable. The only time it goes down is when I lose power, once or twice a year. The router Is always busy. Various members of in my household are constantly streaming videos. I've got laptops, i-device, and android devices pinging the intertubes constantly. Everything works. I don't use "device discovery", whatever that is, though.

    2. Re:Wireless Networking by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      In my experience many problems can be attributed to networking.

      Same here. I had no end of problems with my old Buffalo running Tomato, needing a wifi base station reset once every few weeks. In the end I switched to an Airport Extreme base station. It hasn't failed once in over a year. I'm so happy with it that I bought one for my parents too.

    3. Re:Wireless Networking by willy_me · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was using v2 of the router but that should not make a difference. Apple devices use multicast DNS for device discovery. I found that the router would not bridge mDNS packets between the wired and wireless domains. They would at first but eventually they cut out. This can prevent your iPhone from talking with your AppleTV. From the user's perspective, the iPhone is at fault when in reality it is the network.

      There were also problems with multiple routers on the same network. A Netgear suppled service (forgotten which one) would conflict the same service on another router when attached to the same network. Eventually one of the routers would crash. But first DHCP would stop working. Caused all sorts of problems.

      The routers are great but somehow Netgear really screwed up the firmware. It is possible the latest versions are fine, but then so is OpenWRT.

  17. Re:Stabilize what you have by pghmike4 · · Score: 1

    Yup, your phone is broken if you need to restart it twice a week. My average is every 2-3 months.

  18. Re:Galaxy SII by stox · · Score: 1

    The "Skyrocket" was basically an LTE SII.

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  19. Cannot really be done at this time by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Give it another 2-5 decades and that quality-level may be reached. At this time, the smartphone software makers are just making all the mistakes that have been made on desktops.

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    1. Re:Cannot really be done at this time by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Give it another 2-5 decades and that quality-level may be reached. At this time, the smartphone software makers are just making all the mistakes that have been made on desktops.

      A decade ago phones were stable. Now they aren't. How does it follow that by giving more decades things will improve?

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    2. Re:Cannot really be done at this time by gweihir · · Score: 1

      A decade ago phones where phones. Now they are computers with tacked-on phone functionality.

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    3. Re:Cannot really be done at this time by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is bullshit. A decade ago, they were "embedded devices". Calling an embedded device a "computer just weaker" just reveals that you do not understand how things works. With your definition, a dumb pocket calculator is a computer, as they have low power MCUs these days.

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  20. Re:The same as ever: Android by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other words you don't know what you are talking about with regards to the merits of different smartphone OSs.

  21. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by jblues · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why is an OS in 2015 allowing applications to make the whole UI unusable?

    They don't, generally. They make a very solid effort for that not to happen.

    • * All the major SmartPhones (Apple, Vanila Android, Windows, Forked Android) are running pretty decent Kernels under the hood, its not like Windows 95 where a rogue memory leak can bring the whole system down.
    • * All but system libraries are statically linked.
    • * There's a watchdog that scans for misbehaving apps - ones that are using too many resources for too long, and kills them before they prevent overall responsiveness.

    Its conceivable that the kernel or watchdog is misbehaving, but more likely competition and increasing complexity has lead to:

    • * More software services and apps running on top of the core OS. And marketing cycles that mean these are released with bugs.
    • * Devices capable of running a whole lot more apps. Some of which will have bugs. If your early phone had 10 apps and one bug, and your new one has 100 apps and 10 bugs, the latter will be more noticible.
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  22. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by v1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've had my 5S for close to a year now and it has never actually crashed. It's rebooted for OS updates and for a few dozen dead batteries but that's about it. I *have* had to reboot it maybe a dozen times in all due to lagging performance though when it hadn't been rebooted in weeks. My desktop computer's the same way though. Every 2-3 weeks it just needs a reboot to clean house.

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  23. Re:The same as ever: Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    McDonald's has always been the superior cuisine. Why else do you think it has more global market share than any other restaurant chain?

  24. Blackphone ftw :P by Stolpskott · · Score: 1

    I have an iPhone (5c) and a Samsung Galaxy (5s) for private use in different parts of the world, and both are pretty unstable. The phone I have that "just works" is my Blackphone.
    The caveat there, though, is that the two private phones have a fair amount of crap installed on them, both by myself and the carrier. The Blackphone has just the basic corporate and productivity tools.YMMV though, as a couple of colleagues with Blackphones have had problems with them.

    However, my overall view from fairly recent factory resets on both private phones is that my Blackphone in its current state is still a bit more stable than either the iPhone or Galaxy in anything other than default factory config.

  25. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes.. Blaming the user for shitty software...

    "Fool me once, shame you on you. Fool me 1,387,406 times, shame on me."

    It's not like the fact that nearly all apps are shit is a big secret.

  26. IPhones by Andy+Smith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You're not kidding about iPhones (or rather iOS) becoming less stable.

    I've got an iMac, Macbook Air, iPad Mini 2 and iPhone 6 Plus, all in daily use, and it was a godsend to me when Yosemite and iOS 8 introduced handoff and full AirDrop support. Except... it only works randomly. One minute the iPhone can see everything but nothing can see it. Then it can only see the iPad but now the iMac can see the iPhone.

    I regularly need to transfer screenshots from my iPhone to my Mac and I used AirDrop for about a week, but then it stopped working and hasn't worked since.

    When it first stopped working, I started using Cloud Share and uploading all the screenshots to the cloud so I could then download them on the Mac... but there's always one file missing. No matter how many screenshots I transfer, if n>1 then only n-1 turn up on the Mac.

    Honestly over the past couple of months I've lost confidence in Apple. There's no point adding these great features if they don't actually work. And in my experience, Apple features that don't work never get fixed. New features seem to be more about marketing than actual usability.

    1. Re:IPhones by pherthyl · · Score: 1

      Odd. I had a couple issues with the first release of iOS 8 and Yosemite as far as Handoff, Continuity, and Airdrop goes, but since some later update it's been rock solid. I use airdrop all the time between various iOS device and Macs and haven't had any issues for ages. Same with continuity. I don't find handoff very useful so haven't really tested much.

    2. Re:IPhones by ahabswhale · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you think it's any better with Android, you'd be sorely mistaken. After installing Lolipop on my SGS5, it's performance went to complete shit and the battery life is abysmal (even with a brand new battery). I was able to fix the performance problem by doing things no user should have to do but I'm still working on the battery issue. And my experience is hardly anecdotal. Do some googling and you will find this is happening to A LOT of people.

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    3. Re:IPhones by LeonPierre · · Score: 1

      Capture screenshots using the lightning cable and Preview?

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      "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet"
    4. Re:IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry but you may want to blame your carrier for a crappy Lollipop build. Running 5.0 on AT&T S5 and the performance has nearly doubled and battery life is up about 50% for me. I've heard numerous reports of different carriers Lillipop builds having problems since many of their so called developers do not understand the new ART framework and instead of rewriting their broken software keep trying to polish the turds with no comprehension that they still made a turd.

    5. Re: IPhones by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      That's problem with OS X, not your phone. Discoveryd has replaced a bunch of their other network daemons and it's notoriously unstable and buggy at the moment. It's forward-looking (in that it supports nice features like handoff and airdrop), but Apple basically snuck some first gen software into your desktop OS. :/

    6. Re:IPhones by janimal · · Score: 1

      Yes, AirDrop also sucks. Works only sometimes between the phones. :(

  27. LG Transpyre by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I am very happy with my LG Transpyre. It works on Verizon Wireless and I picked it up for a whole $76 at Wal-Mart. This phone seems to be super stable even though it is low budget. It actually has Corning Gorilla Glass and a quad core processor. It runs Android KitKat quite well and does everything I need it to. I've been using it now close to 6 months without any issue.

  28. Any of the mid- high-end Lumias (Windows Phone) by ianbnet · · Score: 3, Informative

    If Windows Phone has anything going for it, it's stellar speed and stability. My Lumia 930 and my wife's Lumia 830 are rock solid and fast - always. If the majority of your time is spent on the basics -- phone, text, email, web, facebook, netflix, games etc - it's the best platform out there.

    That said, the OP's question of "Fully Featured" and "Just Works" are pretty tough to reconcile. Most iPhones I have used or see are less stable than the Lumias -- but they can do more, through their app catalog and integration across Apple's vertical ecosystem. [Insert favorite Android model here] is going to be more capable than anything else out there, but it's been a long time since I've seen an Android distribution that didn't lose control of background tasks and require a fair amount of overhead to keep the thing functional. Windows Phones are definitely more stable and consistent over time, but they don't today have the long tail of apps that Android has or the guarantee that everyone is going to support them that Apple has.

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    1. Re:Any of the mid- high-end Lumias (Windows Phone) by mikaere · · Score: 1

      I have a Lumia 920, and it is very solid. The basic work great, and I think the interface is way more intuitive than the icon-laden Androids and iPhones.

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    2. Re:Any of the mid- high-end Lumias (Windows Phone) by ray-auch · · Score: 1

      I would add the low-end Lumias to that as well - seem to be rock solid and good for the price. We bought a 520 for one kid on the basis that it was about the cheapest available smartphone (and he had to have a smartphone...), on the strength of good experience with that have since bought a 630 too. Having mapping and navigation apps that work without data connection is a big plus.

      I still say that classic Blackberrys are as good as you get for stability, starting to worry that mine is showing its age because I've had to reboot twice in 6months... but I have no idea what to replace it with - all I need is good email/contacts/calendar management, maps and maybe navigation, news/weather, bit of social networking, bit of web browsing, and I hate touchscreen keyboards (so that's another blackberry then?)

  29. Re:The same as ever: Android by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My smartphone fits in my pocket or purse a lot easier than my video camera.
    My smartphone has GPS to help me when I get lost walking around downtown. It's hard to get back on track if you've taken a few wrong turns with just a sheet of directions. Ditto with shortcuts when I'm cycling.
    You can't call 9-1-1 away from home if you don't have some sort of mobile phone - and obviously most car accidents, as well as a lot of other bad things, happen outside the home.
    I can listen to the radio and my own music collection without having to drag around a separate device devoted to that - just headphones.
    I don't need a watch with my smartphone. Or a calendar. Or a pen and paper for notes.
    When someone sends me a text or an email, there's no "he said - she said" disputes over what was said. Try doing that with your home phone.
    I don't have to drag a book along if I think I might have to wait a while somewhere.
    When someone absolutely has to get hold of me no matter what, they can. Can't say that with a land line.

    Example: A (rather old) neighbor had fallen and broken his hip in a nearby parking lot during a heavy snow storm. He lay there for 2 hours before someone who had decided to take the same shortcut to the store came across him. If he had replaced his land line with a cheaper mobile device, he could have phoned for help immediately. It's just luck that he didn't have to spend the night outside.

    There are so many reasons to swap the land line for a smartphone - which explains why 40% of the population has one wireless phone service.

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  30. Restarted several times per week isn't that bad by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I restart my samsung a few times a day just to prevent problems from occurring in the first place.

    If you can prevent problems, then you don't have problems. Stop complaining.

    1. Re:Restarted several times per week isn't that bad by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Your paranoia of rebooting your phone several times a day is an illness. Your advocation that this is necessary is ridiculous. Your assertion that when we buy expensive products we should all adopt sheep-like acceptance of low-quality and functional issues without even complaining is just downright insulting and retarded.

    2. Re:Restarted several times per week isn't that bad by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I restart my samsung a few times a day just to prevent problems from occurring in the first place.

      If you can prevent problems, then you don't have problems. Stop complaining.

      Yeah, buddy! And when they bend you over, don't ask for lube, just take it dry, like a man!

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    3. Re:Restarted several times per week isn't that bad by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I restart my samsung a few times a day just to prevent problems from occurring in the first place.

      Why? My Note 2 has 1729 hours (and counting) uptime right now. That's over 10 weeks since the last reboot. Still runs fast and responsive... Why reboot?

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  31. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Due to all of the Linux and Mac shills that prowl around Slashdot this isn't going to be a popular answer but it's a factual one.

    Windows Phone. Stable and gives better performance than any Android phone with twice the specs.

  32. Re:Galaxy SII by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    Still using an SII Hercules. Gets 20mbps download speeds on HSDPA+ -- I really don't need more.

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  33. I never have to reboot my iPhone by CamRomeril · · Score: 1

    I run an iPhone 5S with iOS 8.3 and a Mac with 10.9.5.

    I never have to reboot my phone- the only time it gets a reboot is when I let the battery drain before plugging in, which I don’t let happen very often.

    I use AirPlay to play podcasts from my iPhone to my Mac connected to my amp and speakers- it used to take a couple of times to connect reliably, but lately it’s been more reliable than ever.

    I don’t experience slow downs or apps getting crashy, and I use my iPhone a LOT, and have hundreds of apps installed.

    iOS 7 wasn’t so hot early on, but iOS 8 has been great for me.

    1. Re:I never have to reboot my iPhone by DrTime · · Score: 1

      Same here. We have three iPhones, two 5S and one 6. I have a 4S in the car as an iPod. iOS 8 versions have been solid. I think I may (emphasize may) have have had one lockup on my iPhone 6 since I bought it in November. One 5S was showing problems with some apps which was solved with a restart. The other 5S was experiencing charging issues which I fixed with some compressed air in the Lightning port. Two of the iPhones are used quite heavily. The worse part of iOS is in Podcast updates and iTunes is a total mess on OS X. I only wish Apple would run the OS X side of the fence as well they do iOS.

    2. Re:I never have to reboot my iPhone by CamRomeril · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I use Instacast for my podcasts, and there are a number of other great podcast apps like Overcast, Castro and Pocket Casts.

  34. Nexus by talldean · · Score: 1

    My Android (Nexus 5) is a tank; I regularly go a few weeks before bothering to reboot, and the reboot is because I let the battery die. (Battery life is 18-24 hours.) My wife's MotoX (the original one) is just about the same, except the battery life is better (presumably because it's a smaller screen?) 24+ hours.

    1. Re:Nexus by ewhenn · · Score: 1

      I agree, my Nexus 5 is awesome. I reboot it maybe every 30 days. My Nexus 4 was great as well. If you like Android, I'd highly recommend a Nexus 5.

      Here is 17 days (just took a screencap now): http://i.imgur.com/nwHroqS.png

    2. Re:Nexus by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Very much agreed. Works like a charm.

    3. Re:Nexus by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Seconded (no karma available).

      We're on our third Nexus 5 (all off Swappa used, they are $200 now...) after my wife took her's out of the case and cracked the screen real good (it's the backup phone now, just did the transfer yesterday).

      Mine has a good case and has survived falls where I expected destruction (5 foot drop onto concrete, with direct corner impact). Get a good case.

      Very solid with Kitkat and Lolipop. Still very powerful regarding performance.

      For the record I did like my iPhone 4 (it was rock solid, but never updated and new games required the updates), but wanted a more open development environment for my phone platform.

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    4. Re:Nexus by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      HTC One (m8) is another good Android phone. HTC's UI is pretty close to stock and very light on its feet compared to some others. It even got upgraded to Lollipop a while ago with no issues.

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  35. Poster is an Idiot by sonicmerlin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, your wife's iPhone is broken. Go take it to an Apple store and get it fixed you tool.

    1. Re:Poster is an Idiot by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Wow, you are so clever and original. No one has ever made such a witty remark as yours before.

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    2. Re:Poster is an Idiot by janimal · · Score: 1

      No Apple Store where I live you tool. Also, not too keen on having iTunes reapply every app and every song ever deleted from the phone. That's hundreds of clicks and neither me or my wife have the patience.

    3. Re:Poster is an Idiot by bkk_diesel · · Score: 1

      This is marked as funny, but it actually might be a hardware problem.
      I was having regular crashes with my first iPhone 6, brought it in and they gave me a new one. Haven't had even one problem since.

  36. Re:The same as ever: Android by sonicmerlin · · Score: 2

    Android was a Blackberry clone until Google saw the original iPhone and knew they had to copy the UI or be instantly obsolete. The UI thread doesn't get priority and Android as a result will never, ever stop having lag issues. The garbage collection also causes microstuttering. The OS also has the worst update system ever conceived. The technology is old and decrepit and doesn't deserve the popularity it has.

  37. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't have any issues with my iphone6. okay I have one issue. at work and only at work I have to turn off and then turn on the wifi to get it to connect. At home, at a dozen other places no problems. but at work i have issues.

    Then again it could be an app thing. there could be one app that is crashing her phone. I know if I am at work and I try to use a wifi only app it can crash the app. but if I turn off and on the wifi it works fine. But only with my works Access Point. Any where else I don't have that issue.

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  38. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    Your vote and your actions don't line up. You blame "stuff" but don't play games (and likely don't randomly install new stuff every few days).

    Isn't this obviously a memory mgmt/memory leak issue?

    I see tons of this on desktops/laptops -- Chrome, you are currently #1 on the hit list. Why can't it be even more prevalent on the newer platform of smartphones? That don't make it easy to bring up a Task Manager and study the memory usage of applications.

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  39. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by supremebob · · Score: 1

    I have the same problem with my WiFi at home when I try to launch the Pandora app. I'm not sure if it's the Pandora app or the iPhone 6 that causes the issue.

  40. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by trparky · · Score: 2

    I've not had any issues on my iPhone 6 Plus either. iOS 8.3 solved a lot of nagging issues, it nearly perfect now.

  41. passport +1 Re:Blackberry. by Fubari · · Score: 1

    I'm about 6 months into driving a Passport.
    I am pretty happy with it, I do like the larger screen when I need to read spreadsheets, email is well thought out, the "keyboard + touchpad" is clever.
    Haven't noticed it crashing like my last android (HTC One).
    Some Android apps easily available from the Amazon app store.
    Built-in map navigation was hard to use, adding google maps helped.
    The only thing I really miss is having the Uber app... but I'm getting by with traditional taxis (which is fine for work travel mainly, so I don't miss uber... much).
    It does have a learning curve; worth taking an hour or two to learn ui-gestures and keyboard shortcuts.
    *shrug* which is fine for me, I don't expect power tools to have zero learning curves.
    I bought unlocked through Amazon, apparently you can see them in AT&T stores as of Feb 2015 (haven't looked myself, just passing the note along in case you are ever out phone shopping in person to try "look and feel."

  42. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As I don't know if I fall into the categorization at all, I'll say that I think their stance is, that the operating system has been developed for a considerable amount of time, such that, it should have more stability and features than it offers. Such as, the operating system should be able to identify harmful applications that are trying to install or run automatically, as well as harmful things that the user is trying to do. If this happens to the user, then users would complain about not being able to do things. No real fix unless there is a mind reading operating system, and the Mental Rift isn't even in the pre-design phase.

    Aside from that angle, those in that category could be thinking that the operating system should be able to isolate and manage applications that seem to be going out of control and eating too many resources. This might be a good method going forward, but would require certificates from Microsoft to verify that those programs aren't malware. Not many would like to deal with writing exceptions for applications that don't bother getting signed.

    It comes down to a matter of "did you try to restart the computer?" or annoying more devs. I'd think they would rather put the onus on the end-user as they don't have much of a choice in OS. The devil we know, after all.

  43. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft or not, it is the fault of the OS if it wasn't designed to sandbox everything. I have to reboot my Galaxy every few days. I do indeed blame the OS, and no doubt the hardware isn't so robust either.

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  44. Most stable smartphone? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Why, the ones with the biggest lithium batteries, of course.

  45. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

    You assert you're going to be factual, and then you say an absurd thing like "twice the specs."

  46. Reboot? A phone! by MrL0G1C · · Score: 3, Informative

    Galaxy Note 2 been going strong for about 3 years, I don't recall it ever crashing, I think I may have rebooted it a couple of times for obscure reasons - big OS update and me messing with phone. I've never noticed any slowdowns or quirkiness after time. Used lots to browse web and play games and use map apps.

    Some people are jinxed I swear.

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    1. Re:Reboot? A phone! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      My Note 2 is rock-stable like yours. I just checked - 1729 hours and counting since last reboot. Battery easily lasts from 6 AM to midnight (30+% left when it finally hits the charger), with moderate use (30-40 minutes of voice, a few dozen texts, and 70-80 e-mails, with a bit of GPS and web access mixed in). Rock solid device, plenty of battery life - and I love the note-taking ability with the pen!

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  47. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    and the Mental Rift isn't even in the pre-design phase

    No, it's well beyond that phase; most users already have one. A huge one.

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  48. Re:The same as ever: Android by Clsid · · Score: 1

    Totally agree and that creeps all the way down to app development. I have to see it everyday since we have a workflow for both Android and iOS, and the whole app submission process to Apple, is impressive as far as leaving crap out of the system. They will even reject your app if your forms are badly designed. It kind of reminded me of the legendary Nintendo quality control procedures for third-parties. There is nothing similar in the smartphone world, so I would say actually that the technology stack is way better on iOS than on Android, with its horrible memory consumption.

    Besides we are talking about Objective-C vs Java here, and Apple has managed to make a C based language pretty fast to write code with and without too many memory issues that are so familiar in the C world. I consider Swift a regression in that regard, but hey, it seems everything in the programming world will turn to some form of javascript based language.

  49. Agreed - 3rd party crap. by Jager+Dave · · Score: 1

    I've had an LG F3, for 18mos now - no intention of upgrading, because it does what I need it to, it's damn near indestructible, and I have had to "reboot" it no more than four times in ALL that time (not counting the times I had to reboot to recover past backups, to retrieve records for legal reasons). My LG flip-phone crashed more frequently. I only use ~6 3rd party apps, ISS Tracker, Battle.net [shush], Speedtest, Facebook, and, well, a couple others... While I'm no fan of Apple, I respect them, they have a fine product. The crashes and all are mostly 3rd party software, and the vendor mods and additions to the OS. (ok, I kid, I am thinking about upgrading, but only because I want something with IR).

  50. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A little less blame on the owner, and a little more blame on the carrier? How much genuine crap comes pre-installed on a carrier subsidized phone? I'm talking about genuine worthless crap, that does and gives nothing of value to the end customer, the owner who pays for the phone.

    The phone is regarded by the carrier as a tool, with which to keep track of the chattel, or the sheeple. Again and again, the carriers are exposed for their overzealous data collection. And, for the most part, people aren't able to turn these "features" off, unless they are willing to invest some time in research, then risk voiding their so-called warranties.

    Yeah, end users are mostly dumb clods, but the carriers are responsible for a lot of the problem.

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  51. my 4S with 8.3 works just fine by swschrad · · Score: 1

    and blame Gracenote for the song and album cover screwups. that's who Apple uses.

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    1. Re:my 4S with 8.3 works just fine by janimal · · Score: 1

      I'm referring to iTunes purchases. The phone knows the correct names.

  52. Re: Stabilize what you have by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    FWIW, I have not ever had to restart Messages... Do you have custom keyboards?

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  53. Samsung Galaxy S5 works fine by moondo · · Score: 1

    I've been using a Samsung Galaxy S5 for about a year now and it never gave me any trouble. Battery lasts me through the whole day without any problems (of course you have to turn off non-essentials: GPS, Bluetooth, NFC, etc. when you're not using them) and it charges relatively fast. Never experienced programs crashing. Very happy with it.

    Only thing I wish is that the camera program would open faster.

  54. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by Melbourne+Pete · · Score: 1

    >Every phone seems to have this same issue I dunno, I bought a second hand Huawei G750 a few months ago and haven't had to restart it that I recall. I've probably powered it off and on again for other reasons a handful of times in that period.

  55. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fact: Putting the word "fact" before your sentence does not absolve you of the need to back it up with actual evidence.

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  56. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nope. I find that Cisco Enterprise Wireless Accesspoints are complete crap in regards to phones if your IT department doesn't update their firmware regularly.

    Work recently ripped out all the Cisco junk and installed UniFi and all wireless problems, mobile and other went away.

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  57. Re:The same as ever: Android by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No - in other words, the man knows how to live life without an electronic nanny in his pocket.

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  58. Re:New thinking! by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

    Interesting. Not even for OS upgrades?

  59. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just try any Windows Phone. They are extremely smooth.

  60. Re:The same as ever: Android by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of the stuff you highlight can be handled by a feature phone, though, except reading books. I use my 6-year-old Android, doesn't seem to crash or need to reboot unless the battery is on empty (and shocking the battery still works pretty well after 6 years - will go 12+ hours between charges). You don't need anything fancy - what you want is something stable.

    I'm really struggling with what to get next - the screen on my phone has been cracked for a couple of years now, so I should probably replace it one of these days. But now it's all these damn giant phones that don't fit in my pockets, don't have replaceable batteries - what ever happened to cell phones getting smaller?

    When someone sends me a text or an email, there's no "he said - she said" disputes over what was said. Try doing that with your home phone.

    If you have that problem often enough to care, you need better friends, not a better phone!

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  61. Smartphone Stability Nominees by BBCWatcher · · Score: 1

    1. Apple's iOS compares quite well, but if you want to maximize stability be cautious about updates until there are some reports (some of the 7.x and 8.x releases were clunkers, though the current 8.3 seems quite good now), and turn off features you don't need, especially the privacy-invading ones.

    2. Blackberry. They're still around, and they're rather solid -- provided the device is. (Some of their devices have been clunkers, others solid. Again, take a look at consensus reports.)

    3. Nokia/Microsoft S40 devices. You can still find some S40 devices (unlocked and inexpensive), though they are not as feature rich and stretch the definition of "smartphone" downward. I've got an S40 device that, at least once updated to the latest S40 release, is rock solid -- and lasts a long, long time per battery charge. The S40 devices are not long for the world, though, so don't get too attached.

    4. If you experiment with Android, I'd stick to the purest form of it: Google's Nexus devices. If Google cannot make Android work well on its own branded devices then nobody can.

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  63. Re:The same as ever: Android by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Why else do you think it has more global market share than Apple could ever dream about?

    Because there's a gazillion piece-of-shit phones that identify themselves as 'Android' and that's the only qualification you need to count them.

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  64. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by PenguinJeff · · Score: 1

    I'm starting to think some of the faults lie on what the carriers install as well. Sprint pisses me off sometimes.

  65. Yup, Windows Phones by DogDude · · Score: 2

    I've got the HTC M8 One running Windows, and quite honestly, I don't think I've ever rebooted it

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    1. Re:Yup, Windows Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I also got one HTC windows-phone based my company gave me for websites testing. I don't think I've ever booted it.

  66. Not sure - I've seen it around other places too by aliquis · · Score: 1

    https://www.flashback.org/t255...

    iOS Ãr apple fÃr folk som inte vet vad apple Ãr...

    Har och anvÃnder idag.

    Imac 27"
    MBPr 15"
    iPad Air 2 <-- skrÃp
    Iphone 5 <-- skrÃp
    Google Nexus 6

    OSX Ãr apple fÃr mig.

    He/she claim iOS is for people who don't know what Apple is and says he/she think that OS X is Apple for him/her.

    But that's not the important part, the important part is what he/she uses today.

    Imac 27"
    MBPr 15"
    iPad Air 2 <-- trash
    Iphone 5 <-- trash
    Google Nexus 6

    The original post ask where Apple is headed today since the person feel the quality has dropped. He/she talks about the Macbook Air though. Which is a cheaper laptop.

  67. N900 by dbIII · · Score: 1

    It got stuck and needed a reboot two or maybe three years ago and has been rock solid since. Still nothing viable to replace it without having to use two separate devices.

    1. Re:N900 by janimal · · Score: 1

      I would still use it if not for the fact that the USB port fell off and the absolutely dismal battery life.
      It was a nice experiment that Nokia abandoned too early.

    2. Re:N900 by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It wasn't even for sale in my area until the USB problem had been fixed. Funny thing is I got a replacement one "new" for a friend whose kid wrecked the keyboard in late 2013 - the repair centre still had some unused.
      The dismal battery life is with WiFi turned on, so it only lasts uncharged about a day at work with WiFi on or three days at home with WiFi off.
      Something with the same form-factor and more modern (less hungry) hardware would be nice, even if it is android and not real linux.

  68. Huh? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    "I've had my 5S for close to a year now and it has never actually crashed. It's rebooted for OS updates and for a few dozen dead batteries but that's about it."

    A few dozen dead batteries within a year? I hope this isn't a typo because it speaks worse of Apple quality control. I'd rather have my smartphone crashing/rebooting every so often than having the battery replaced once a month.

    1. Re:Huh? by zbaron · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping that v1 meant flat battery, not dead.

    2. Re:Huh? by AddressException · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing we're talking about depleted batteries, not defective ones.

    3. Re:Huh? by t_ban · · Score: 2

      He's using his iPhone to power the vacuum cleaner.

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    4. Re:Huh? by rHBa · · Score: 1

      So the Android fanbois were right? iPhones DO suck... /ducks

  69. What I have by denisbergeron · · Score: 1

    It's a Samsung Note 3. I didn't install 3rd parties utilities. I mostly use Samsung and Google software. I stream on my chromcast without problem.

    Before this I had a S3, same good performance. I change it because of a broked usb port (don't buy cheap cable.) anyway I installed QI wireless charging... best thing to do.

    My son have a Samsung ace 100$ with 1 mounth service from Walmart. not fast, but no problem so far.

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  70. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    That's also the only problem I have with my iPhone 6: having to turn WiFi off and on to reconnect after a long period of sleep.

  71. Not just IOS by mcrbids · · Score: 2

    I have a Moto Razr Maxx HD, now working on its 3rd year. It's been basically perfect. I reboot it perhaps once every few months, and half of those reboots are due to an OTA OS upgrade.

    With it's amazing battery life, and durable, sturdy case, it's a phone that feels like a "partner" that doesn't leave me hanging and even when I'm really putting the screws to it, (EG: on trips) it's "just there" for me.

    It is no longer a "flagship" phone, it's not the fastest phone, and it doesn't have the biggest/brightest screen any more, but it's still a very, very good balance for a phone that I probably won't be replacing until it actually dies.

    My only honest complaint is that its bluetooth reception seems weak. I use $20 wired headphones as a result.

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  72. Re:The same as ever: Android by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Gee, I didn't know you had to own something in order to test drive it in order to decide whether you like it, or to hear from friends and relatives about their experience with their devices.

    Shame on me. Not spending thousands upon thousands of dollars buying each and every device so I can test it out personally.

    :P :P :P

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  73. LG L41C = Immaculate Functioning by Spidyr2k · · Score: 1

    I got this Android from an online catalog store for $167 about seven months ago. It came with a plan from Tracfone. As I mostly use Wifi, my plan usually runs $12/month, but it's easy to add minutes/data for the same price if needed(rarely). Actually, I bought two of them, the other for my soulmate. We've both been very please with this model. The only issue I've had was the wifi dropping and having to reboot to get it back. Found out it was a buggy app that did not play well with 4.4. Other than that, not a single fault. Tracfone never issues new Android OS updates, however. It's their scheme to get you to upgrade hardware. Fail.

  74. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

    Yeah, we are having issues with Cisco APs as well. Pretty sad.

  75. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    My Droid S3 also had the similar problem of spontaneously rebooting every couple of days due to an incoming or outgoing call. And that reboot didn't clear the issue either. You had to Power Cycle it all the way off and then back on and then it would work for another couple of days. I am not in the habit of installing huge amounts of apps. I might have had 3 apps on that phone.

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  76. iPhone 6. No issues. by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

    I just don't have issues with my phone, and I can't remember the last time I rebooted it. It was most likely the last time I updated the OS. It just works.

    The only real complaint I have is that AirDrop isn't reliable, but I'm not sure if that's my laptop or my phone.
    Is it you? Is it some collection of apps you have?

  77. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    My desktop computer's the same way though. Every 2-3 weeks it just needs a reboot to clean house.

    My desktop computer doesn't need to be rebooted every 2-3 weeks, and no I don't run linux. Its probably your applications and not your OS that needs the reboot.

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  78. Well, my Nexus 6 hasn't pissed me off lately... by emag · · Score: 1

    While I normally reboot all my devices at least weekly, I just noticed that, as of right now, and probably since I got the 5.1 update, my Nexus 6 has an uptime of over 624.5 hours, which is over 3 weeks. Color me surprised. My N7 2013 LTE crashed in the middle of doing stuff Thursday night, again with 5.1, so... I guess the N6 wins, in my book, for right now.

    As reference, whenever things get really wonky, and nothing else works, I power the devices down (as much as that pains me as a *nix sysadmin), and it seems to fix the problems. 3.7 weeks (and counting) seems to be an amazing run for current hardware/software combos.

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    1. Re:Well, my Nexus 6 hasn't pissed me off lately... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Got 1729 (and counting) hours on my Note 2 right now... It just runs and runs and runs... Reboot? What reboot?

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  79. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    My iPhone 6+ hasn't been booted in weeks, my iPad Air2 even longer. Occasionally an app will crash but the device itself doesn't have issues. Once upon a time I had an earlier piece of hardware that was giving me fits, an iPhone 4 I think. The solution sadly was to reload it from scratch and reload all of my apps - it ran perfectly after that. If this guy is having this many issues then he's got something dorked somehow and in my experience that will follow him even with iOS upgrades. Time to load it up from a scratch OS install! His supposition that iOS is somehow gotten less and less stable doesn't hold water as neither I nor any of my many friends running iPhones are having the sorts of issues he's describing...

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  80. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every phone seems to have this same issue, but it is not the phones fault. It's the fault of what the owner installs on it. My wifes galaxy mega was great at first, but now that she has all these stupid games installed it is buggy and needs to be restarted regularly.

    Blaming applications for screwing up the system is not an acceptable answer in my book. The OS should be capable of gracefully withstanding abuse from user land without freaking out. If it can't it deserves to be called out for its failure.

  81. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your last point would be my question to the Original Poster: do you want a stable phone or a phone with lots of features? If you want an incredibly stable phone then it's easy to find and kill all of the bugs. But which is worse having buggy whizbang feature or not having whizbang feature at all? If I had to choose I would pick buggy whizbang feature. Because the only thing worse than doing something poorly is not being able to do it at all.

    I worked with a company as an adviser and they refused to add whizbang because they didn't feel they could do it perfectly. Well... the outcome was that people needed whizbang and they picked buggy and slow over not-at-all. And they in my opinion picked correctly. I can tell someone that I can so that but it'll take 2 days and they might pick me. If I tell someone I can't do it at all they'll definitely pick someone else. So even if I'm slow there is still a chance I'll get the job. The end result was the product died because they refused lower their standards and compete.

    This is taking place in the smartphone market. You have to have feature parity. The End. Full Stop. If you can't do what someone else is doing customers will jump ship. Android has taken over the market using this strategy and customers are generally pretty happy with the tradeoffs involved.

  82. Miss my iPhone 4 by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

    Was my favorite phone. Jailbroken iOS 4 and Lockinfo back when Lockinfo was still good. Best damn phone I ever owned.

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  83. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by chr1st1anSoldier · · Score: 5, Informative

    Part of that is because Windows Phone allows very few background processes to run. For example try running a VoIP app like Zoiper and you will see real quick that it's not allowed to run in the background. Even apps from Microsoft like Lync don't work most of the time when you return to the start screen or some other app.

  84. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Informative

    Windows Phone. Stable and gives better performance than any Android phone with twice the specs.

    I can confirm. Microsoft gave me a free Windows phone. It now has Android CyanogenMod on it and it is super smooth.

  85. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by jblues · · Score: 1

    Nicely said. Or as they say "perfect is the enemy of good". I thought it was Linus Torvalds that coined this phrase, but actually Google tells me it was probably Voltaire, a few hundred years before.

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  86. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    History consistency shows that in the features versus quality battle in consumer systems, features tend to win again and again. Same as it always was.

  87. Re: Stabilize what you have by umdesch4 · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's where we are. I'm in Canada, and I'm in the same boat. As I said above in this thread, everyone I know with an iPhone has problems with it. Dozens of people. For some reason they all want to tell me about it, but I don't have any clue about supporting Apple products.

  88. Re:The same as ever: Android by Mantrid42 · · Score: 1

    "Hahaha, look at all these idiots, walking around with instant access to all human knowledge! Glad I'm not one of them!"

  89. Re:passport +1 Re:Blackberry. by Octorian · · Score: 1

    I've also had a Passport for a similar amount of time.

    The two main things I love about it are:
    - I get a keyboard, without having to compromise on screen size
    - The battery lasts a really long time

  90. Small correction by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    On iOS8 third party frameworks can now be dynamically linked (system frameworks could be as well, even before iOS8).

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  91. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Jobless+*topia · · Score: 1

    Shill means paid to post. Do you have proof of that? Mac and Linux fanboys and zealots, yes.

  92. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    neither I nor any of my many friends running iPhones are having the sorts of issues he's describing...

    Or they have found out the things (for example specific apps, settings or usage patterns) that make iPhone unstable and have just learned to avoid them.

    The experience can be quite different for a newcomer that curiously tries unexpected random things and a guy that knows a platform and its pitfalls.

  93. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

    The basic UI may feel smoother, but the moment you run some software that needs to crunch numbers, no amount of OS magic will negate the limited SoC performance.

  94. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by janimal · · Score: 2

    The question was on a "fully featured smartphone", so basic smartphones don't fit the bill. iPhone 4S was fully featured. Mind you, the Nokia N900 had more wizzbang, but iPhone had a good balance.
    Both the wife's iPhone 6 and my 5S now take several seconds to *dial a number*, which isn't explained away with the apps I have installed.

  95. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by janimal · · Score: 1

    Are you saying that you are immune to the bugs that got fixed in 8.3?

  96. Apps crashing by jeti · · Score: 1

    I do have some apps crash, but that's the app developer's problem. Not much the OS vendor can do about that.

    I've written a somewhat popular Android app and most of its crashes are either the fault of the runtime or of vendor specific customizations.

    The Developer Console provides excellent reporting on both uncaught Java exceptions and crashes in native code. Most often, the Dalvik VM crashes during garbage collection. The Dalvik class loader is also flaky and has issues with multithreading that only got worked around in newer versions. I've also seen the libchromium crash inside my app from adverts delivered by Googles Admob service, which is somewhat scary from a security perspective.

    Another issue is that apps using Googles compatibility library now crash on HTC devices running Android 4.1 as soon as the user presses the menu key. HTC is no longer providing updates and Google simply states that it's not their fault and therefore not their problem. Now thousands of app developers have to independently find out about the issue and work around it.

    So when an app crashes, there's a good chance that it's not the fault of the app developer. On a brighter note, the ART VM used in Android 5 and newer seem to be rock solid.

  97. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by janimal · · Score: 2

    8.3 is the exception, not the rule. I'm not looking forward to the next update. What I'm looking for is a phone on which I can be excited about the next update.

  98. I think it is a issue of Apps... by Hymer · · Score: 1

    ...I have an iPhone 4s (just because I don't want that "post Jobs shit"), my wife has an iPhone 5s (we are both IT profs) and we just rarely NEED to reboot our phones. We choose Apple because "it just works", we don't have the time for fiddling with a phone when we have users running on Windows 7. Yes, things got worse after Jobs because Jobs was the man guaranteeing that things were ready BEFORE they shipped but they are still quite good.

  99. Re:Google Nexus 5 by biodata · · Score: 1

    this

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  100. Big G by biodata · · Score: 1

    Just get a Google phone

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  101. Easilly the Lumias. (except for slashdotters) by etinin · · Score: 1

    I've had a Lumia 920. But then I got robbed and I couldn't easily get a replacement where I lived, so I just went for an Android run. After a Galaxy S3 and an Xperia Z1, I'm easily going back to the Lumias with a 1020. I've also had iPhones, but they're way too locked down and are losing their performance advantage. Though Android 5.0 is easily the slowest OS I've ever used. I actually think it's a java limitation. Nice try and all, but it won't work. Apple has a lot more effects but their native code has a huge performance advantage. As for Microsoft, they've created .NET optimizations which make their UI`s performance lightyears ahead of Java apps. Yeah, java may be nice for some things, but surely not for the bulk of an operating system. I've been interested in Android since it's launch. My first phone with a touchscreen was the moto droid. Okay, I understood it was still immature and that explained some problems. But that is not the case anymore. Google is one of the biggest companies in the world. Android is more than half a decade old. Yet, the concept still doesn't work. Truly a shame. Too bad they were too afraid of exposing the Linux OS for native apps and high performance and wanted to limit the devices potential. If Android had been done properly, we'd be talking of iPhones today as we talk about iPods: a piece of history. As for Windows Phone 8.1, it's got a very clean interface (the dreaded Metro UI, which sucks for desktops, actually works very well for phones) and very good performance. The 920 was built like it was meant to last forever. My Lumia's camera was simply the best phone camera I ever touched. iPhone users were easily impressed. There is, of course, the disadvantage of missing some apps. But really, I can't think of any app I've used more than a couple times which I could really miss. Besides, to add to my negative android experience, my 2-year-old nexus has just become a paperweight because Google's Android 5.0 turned it way too slow to do anything useful. At least Microsoft and Apple aren't doing that with their customers (the iOS 8 may slightly slow down an iPhone 4s but nothing compared to this). Most of the idiots who are downvoting the posts who claim the Lumia phones are the most stables are the same people who have probably never used one. It's all very nice to defend open source, but I don't see these same people attacking the iPhone defenders, and the iPhone is an infinitely more closed platform than Windows Phone. Actually, whoever actually claims Android is in any way open, must actually study the facts. On Slashdot, Microsoft is just the great scapegoat. Who cares if Google and Apple are greater threats to freedom. Nobody actually wants to examine reality.

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    1. Re:Easilly the Lumias. (except for slashdotters) by etinin · · Score: 1

      I actually got a Lumia 930 yesterday. And it has an enter key on the keyboard...

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  102. Millenial hipster fucktards by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It's the millenials. They just chuck shit together (mostly copy-pasted from stackexchange) and if it compiles[1], they ship it.

    Since many of the old guard who have a clue are retiring, either through age or just because they're sick of it, there's less and less of a restraining influence on them.

    It'll probably get worse before it gets better. Like my lawn.

    [1] or whatever the fuck the $languageDuJour equivalent is.

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  103. Re:The same as ever: Android by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1
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  104. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think, the problem, is you're overflowing, the comma buffer.

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  105. Everything non Android by kbg · · Score: 1

    Anything that does not run Android. Google unfortunately is focusing on fancy look but doesn't care about all the myriads of core bugs that are present in the system. Google is also removing critical core functionality in every new release of Android. Android used to be very good in 2010 but each new version becomes slower and slower and unusable.

    1. Re:Everything non Android by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Got 72 days so far (and counting) of uptime on my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 - nice Android experience as well! It's fast, responsive, does everything I need, and hasn't been rebooted in a long time. Is that your definition of slow and unusable and unstable?

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    2. Re:Everything non Android by kbg · · Score: 1

      My experience is completely different. I have Google Nexus 10, Samsung S4 and some other phones running Android. On each and every one they are slow as hell, just swiping between screens is really slow sometimes and the core UI is unresponsive lot of times. Of course I am a power user and have a lot of apps installed but that shouldn't affect the Android OS and the UI response unless of course the Android OS is buggy.

  106. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

    oooh, could this be the right time for gnu/linux people to start posting their uptime?

  107. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    The best solution is to get a phone with as little boat as possible and as much memory as possible. Something like a OnePlus One, which also happens to be about 1/3 the price of an iPhone.

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  108. Those not bloated with crapware by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Modern phones and tablets have thge same problem as PCs - they fall victim to loads of crap and bloatware. Don't burden your smartphone with shit and it will stay stable. If you're having trouble doing that use one with a smaller softewaremarket such as the Jolla. If you're unsure about which phone to take I'd actually recommend that one.

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  109. For what an anecdote is worth: Samsung S3 by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    I've got this Samsung S3 about 2.5 years ago. I did not unlock it, unlike my tablet. I decided to use it as-is. And I have not once had it crash, or lose any of its functions, since. Not one single time. This in spite me being a very intense user of this device, including its excellent GPS sensor.

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  110. Re:The same as ever: Android by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Indeed you don't. But you're a gigantic blowhard if you pontificate about how Ford is better than BMW, when you despise cars and don't even drive.

  111. Re:The same as ever: Android by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    He can live in a cave if he likes, and really enjoy technology free living. Nothing wrong with that. But if I does, he shouldn't about his opinion of which hotel chain is better.

  112. One 6 Plus glitch by swb · · Score: 1

    I've had one problem with my 6 Plus which was annoying enough to care about, crashing Safari when rotating the phone from portrait to landscape once a certain amount of tabs were open. Googling the problem I found a couple of threads on Apple's support web site, so it appears not to have been just my experience.

    The fix with the initial release was to close all tabs (an annoying task in Safari), as there is no "close all tabs" function. I don't know that it's been a problem in 8.3 so far, and it seemed to be better in 8.2.

    I didn't experience the issue with Chrome or with other apps, just Safari. I suspected something wonky with the nitro js engine improvements and the 6 Plus display size as occasionally not long before crashing would occur, js-heavy apps rotated web pages would not respond to screen taps or would respond in the wrong place as if the running js code didn't have valid screen dimensions for portrait.

    I theorized that closing tabs also nuked cached nitro-compiled js code so that subsequent page views didn't have issues.

    Other than that, my 6 Plus has just worked. Historically, I've had to reboot my iPhones to fix a random issue with phone calls more than any other problem and that's been very rare and probably less often than power cycling it for other reasons, like airport security.

  113. My Droid Turbo has been very reliable. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    And I love the battery life!

  114. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by MrLogic17 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your post seems to indicate that you're turning your whole phone off & on to solve the problem. There's an easier, faster way- just cycle the wireless on & off. Procedure for those that may not yet know:
    -At any iPhone screen, do a "swipe up" gesture. (Put your finger on the home button, and drag a line to the middle of the phone)
    -At that pull-up menu, there are buttons to turn off & on wireless, bluetooth, etc.

    And ya, what everyone else is saying. The phones are stable. It's the junk you put on them that make them unstable.

  115. Re:Having no issues here by ruir · · Score: 1

    He is a shill.

  116. Not the typical iPhone experience. by ruir · · Score: 1

    Between my family we must have 6 iphones and 3 ipads of different generations. My wife has a 5S and I have got a 5S in the past, and now a 6. All of the devices are stable and solid. More so after we upgraded our wifi to 5Ghz. All of our friends that have iPhones are very happy. Many people here due to being short of money bough iPhones 2nd hand due to their stable reputation. I would say either you are filling them up to the brink till exhausting their memory, or that you are paid to spread lies with nasty PR moves.

    1. Re:Not the typical iPhone experience. by janimal · · Score: 1

      It may not be typical iPhone experience, but judging by some comments here, it's not rare either. And, yes, I'm annoyed after buying 5 iPhones and a bunch of other gear from the company in question. After ditching Dell for PCs and Nokia for phones I was hoping for a long and beautiful friendship. Meh..

  117. I'm in the Android camp by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    And I can say that I've only had to restart the phone only once every couple months. Part of it is because I know how to kill an offending app on the phone.

    I also have a Kind Fire HD6. That pretty much works the same way as the phone as it runs a later version of Android.

    This isn't a slam to all the Apple fanboys and fangirls - its just that Apple perpetuates this myth that it just works. When that is far from the truth.

  118. So which of these is impossible...? by jpellino · · Score: 1

    ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/MobileDevice/(your device here) or LemonJar or Settings > Privacy > Diagnostics & Usage > Diagnostic & Usage Data Gotta say, when working with Garmin to figure out how their iPhone app wasn't coping with iOS update changes (garbage collection issues) that first one was the most useful.

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  119. Re:The same as ever: Android by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    My 1-year-old Android only needed a reboot after upgrading to lollipop. I suspect many people have the same experience, so we'll only hear about the ones who have problems - a self-selection process.

    When someone sends me a text or an email, there's no "he said - she said" disputes over what was said. Try doing that with your home phone.

    If you have that problem often enough to care, you need better friends, not a better phone!

    Sorry, no can do. Friends may come and friends may go, but family is forever. Being able to scotch a problem about what was written by saying "Please read what you wrote again" is a lot better than "well, you said ..." There's a reason why we call the game "Broken Telephone." :-)

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  120. Re:Why not do something simple... by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

    I agree about tried and true.

    I don't know if you're serious about radio transceiver as a substitute for a phone. They (radio transceivers) do allow people to communicate, but for the average person it would be a different set of problems for them.

  121. Phones that work by jjhues7676 · · Score: 1

    I truly understand what brand loyalty is. I also understand that people can be so loyal that they become blind to its faults. "Love is Blind'! I owned a 2005 Ford F250 with a 6.0 diesel, heard all the bad and still bought it. The engine in that vehicle was so bad I had to lemon law it. As far as phones go my family was Motorola people. My son switched to iPhones and every model (4,4s and 5) has battery life issues. He has to keep a charger at work, in his car, in his backpack and at home. Phone works good but I personally would not put up with battery issues! Recently my wife switched the Samsung Note 3. Absolutely no problems, also with her on facebook from 6pm to 10pm she still has more than half battery. I switched to the LG G3. We had LG phones before smart phones and always liked them. This has been a great phone and battery lasts me 3 days.

    1. Re:Phones that work by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      So, what does your son do with his iPhone that your wife doesn't do with her Samsung? (Since the problem has persisted through several iPhones, it can't be that he got a lemon.) Being on Facebook for four hours really doesn't tell me much about the actual use and drain. Does your son have all sorts of notifications and background processes running? Does he get into places where the cellphone reception is really bad or nonexistent? There's plenty of reasons why he might have a lot worse battery drain than your wife.

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  122. Re:The same as ever: Android by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Ah. I get it. You're not allowed to notice how Apple is ripping everyone off unless you buy Apple products and have yourself been ripped off.

    Fuck you fanbois.

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  123. Feature bloat by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    I think that all mobile operating systems are suffering from this now. Mobile has matured to the point that phones now do just about everything we need them to do. So the problem now becomes, why buy a new phone?

    I'm actually faced with this problem. My contract is up in September and my year and a half phone is still good. It has a 1080p display. It's fast. Lots of storage. The newer phones are better but only marginally.

    So given that the hardware has matured the only other option is to add more things to the OS. Some of which will require a newer phone to use. That way, people have to upgrade the phone to use that shiny new feature.

    Personally, I think this is part of the reason that so few phones now allow you to replace the battery. The battery is likely the first component to go so by making it non-replacable some people are likely to just get a new phone rather than a new battery.

  124. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by cjjjer · · Score: 1

    Same with my iPhone 4S, this may have to do with I didn't install iOS 8. Given iOS 8 was built with a new chip in mind upgrading was not an option IMO.

  125. iPhones have zero carrier crap on them by Brannon · · Score: 1

    I have also noticed a slight degradation in robustness on iPhones over the years--probably associated with the legalization of dynamic linking and background processes.

    It's still pretty solid, though.

  126. Re:The same as ever: Android by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Blow harder. One day someone might give a shit what someone who doesn't know anything about smartphones thinks.

  127. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

    The sentiment certainly preceded Voltaire.

    It's very common in politics that a bunch of people will all be thinking along the same lines, and want the government to do something very similar to solve a given problem. If they can all agree on one concrete course of action to solve the problem they are much more likely to succeed then if they all come forward with slightly different proposals. Let's say the problem is nut imports driving local producers out of business, if the guy who wants a 16.6% (or 1/6) tariff on walnuts spends all his political capital ensuring the guy who wants 12.5% (or 1/8) fails then it's likely there will never be a tariff on walnuts. OTOH if they compromise on 14.3% (1/7) then they're much more likely to succeed.

  128. Open source one, of course by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Get an Android phone with unlocked bootloader and install a custom ROM based on older/better debugged KitKat AOSP release and focused on stability rather than features. Think Debian of Android. If you can't find one to your liking, you only have yourself to blame. It's impossible for a release with hundreds of brand new features and UI refreshes to be stable for the simple reason that nobody actually tried it before. But if there is enough interest in the community, they can take a snapshot and focus on fixing bugs.

  129. Waiting for Ara by vinn · · Score: 1

    I've got a Moto X 2013 that I love. It might not be the phone for everyone, but it does exactly what I need in the way I want it done. It's standard Verizon firmware, nothing too fancy, and fairly stable - maybe one crash or reboot needed every other month. My contract will be up in less than 6 months and the timing seems like it might be right to wait it out for one of the Project Ara phones - the modular Google phones. Part of that is because there will likely be a Nexus reference spec phone that I can just use on a pay-as-you-go plan. I think I'm ditching the whole contract thing - I think I'd be much happier with an MVNO.

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  130. Just checked my Note 2 by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    1729 hours and counting... So it's been a little over 10 weeks since the last reboot. That's fairly stable, I think...

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  131. All and None by jimbo · · Score: 1

    They all "just work" for a lot of users. However, you can't make something as complex as a modern smartphone without bugs. Enormous amounts of testing are done on these devices prior to shipping trying to ensure a good user experience but they will never be bug free. The ultimate test is always millions of users.

    Then add flaky wifi/cell networks and 3rd party apps into the mix, just to complicate matters further.

    Your case sounds extreme though.

  132. Re:The same as ever: Android by fonske · · Score: 1

    -1 Troll??? This must be Slashdot.
    I bought a Jolla smartphone and got a "banking app" installed by my provider as a "service".
    Never felt so stupid since I bought a smartphone.

  133. One Plus One by adachan · · Score: 1

    Try the One Plus One -- its the best phone you can buy. No contract, great price, almost 2 days of battery life, great camera, and very stable -- I reboot once a month or so. No complaints.

  134. Re:passport +1 Re:Blackberry. by CapeBretonBarbarian · · Score: 1

    I agree. My Passport running 10.3 is extremely stable. I haven't had it crash since I got it about 3 months back. The only issue I did have was the odd screen flicker glitch that would pop up occasionally but the latest 10.3 update fixed that.

    The Passport is a wonderful phone. Love the large screen and the clever touchpad/physical keyboard. Best phone I've ever had.

  135. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by janimal · · Score: 1

    That.
    DOS or Win 95 had the same issue.

  136. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The phones are stable. It's the junk you put on them that make them unstable.

    If an OS lets the apps make it unstable, then the OS (and phone) is bad. A well configured OS shouldn't allow instability caused by apps.

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  137. Re:The same as ever: Android by The+Raven · · Score: 1

    what ever happened to cell phones getting smaller?

    Phone's stopped being just 'a phone' and became 'a primary device'. When it's also your email device, gaming device, note taking device, etc then you want a bigger screen. However, there are a lot of great, long battery life, small phones still being made... for under $99. Don't get a flagship device if you just want a phone.

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  138. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    I'd agree except that at least one of my friends is about as non-techy as it gets and I've been much relieved at the lack of bitching since he switched from Adroid. It's been a serious relief!

    This guy is techy enough to be getting articles posted to Slashdot but not good enough to figure out the things you describe? Certainly it's possible he's got an issue, and I ran into one myself I couldn't solve. I went to the Apple store, asked for help, and they provided me an answer that solved the problem. It wasn't without pain mind you but I'm simply not willing to have to become an expert at every single thing I run into issues with. I'm not willing to be baited by his stalking horse, not without a great deal more evidence by many more people that the platform has somehow deteriorated.

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  139. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by mathew7 · · Score: 1

    SW is a big blame.
    My Z1C has an uptime of 1-2 months (for those who don't know, that's the period between reboots), and a battery life of 3-4 days.
    My usage: nova launcher, occasional phone calls (less than 1h/week), gmail+calendar sync, Bluetooth LE watch (Casio), net, some music (poweramp).
    My NEVER usage: facebook, twitter, any other social-media stuff, games.

  140. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by baristabrian · · Score: 1

    No such problem with my iPhone 6. Just saying. As always, YMMV.

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  141. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by shmlco · · Score: 1

    Uh huh. Try opening a folder with 30,000 or so files in it and see how "responsive" it becomes.

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  142. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by trparky · · Score: 1

    In some ways, that's why we have the problems that we have in the software industry to begin with. Everyone wants new features and they want them fast but at the same time they want it to be stable as well. Code that's developed rapidly and is stable is an oxymoron, especially if you have project managers hovering over you asking you why the software hasn't been released yet.

    iOS 8.3 is an exception, yes, that's because Apple has decided that perhaps packing everything in including the kitchen sink is maybe not a good idea. Apple has already stated that iOS 8.4 and the future iOS 9 is concentrating more on efficiency and stability than past versions of iOS.

  143. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

    If you have ATT or Verizon, buy the international variant Android That supports 4G. No bloatware or issues super stable, lower bill and if you download dumb apps you can reset it. 9 out of 10 times it's the apps/bloatware when it comes to android. I have run GPE, and debloated roms for months without any restarts, when i do restart its for a uplate, backup or rom.. G3 G4 and G5.

  144. Re:The same as ever: Android by toadlife · · Score: 1

    But now it's all these damn giant phones that don't fit in my pockets, don't have replaceable batteries - what ever happened to cell phones getting smaller?

    Perhaps the Galaxy S4 Mini. It's reasonably small and a couple of generations old, so it won't cost too much.

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  145. you're welcome by xuvetyn · · Score: 1

    blackberry

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  146. Re:passport +1 Re:Blackberry. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    The only thing I really miss is having the Uber app... but I'm getting by with traditional taxis (which is fine for work travel mainly, so I don't miss uber... much).

    BlackBerry has one of the best mobile browsers going. Have you tried https://m.uber.com/

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  147. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows exactly what is causing the shitiness, douche bag lawyers, writing crap non-warranties, so manufacturers don't give a crap how bad their products are as long as those same douche bag lawyers can fend off enough angry customers to generate a good profit, selling shit likes it gold. PR=B$ (public relations lies) can also work to convince customer they are the only ones, by flooding every media channel with lies about how good the products are and how they are the only ones with problems, including and especially fucking forums. Corporate douche baggery is the problem, companies run by psychopaths is the problem, companies running governments in order to block government management consumer protections from working properly is the problem and those shitty products and shitty software is just a symptom.

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  148. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    Every phone seems to have this same issue, but it is not the phones fault. It's the fault of what the owner installs on it. My wifes galaxy mega was great at first, but now that she has all these stupid games installed it is buggy and needs to be restarted regularly.

    But isn't that supposed to be one of Apple's big points; curated apps? Nothing that breaks the machine?

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  149. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    The phones are stable. It's the junk you put on them that make them unstable.

    If an OS lets the apps make it unstable, then the OS (and phone) is bad. A well configured OS shouldn't allow instability caused by apps.

    In the interests of stability, I have removed everything from my phone, including the phone capability, so now it just runs the OS. It's much more stable.

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  150. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    Every phone seems to have this same issue, but it is not the phones fault. It's the fault of what the owner installs on it. My wifes galaxy mega was great at first, but now that she has all these stupid games installed it is buggy and needs to be restarted regularly.

    I vote for stupid stuff. My Droid M works fine for two or three days after reboot but gradually gets slower and slower until the touch screen no longer responds.

    But I don't play games, and the only games on the device are the bloatware installed by the carrier. I suspect that the device's entire problem is related to bloat.

    I'm not experienced inside my phone's OS much, but in the past I've hacked up installations of CP/M, etc. so it's not like I'm incompetent; so are there tools I can use to find out which app blows up my phone? Or eats the battery? Or seizes the screen and won't relinquish it?

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  151. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by sensationull · · Score: 1

    I totally agree, the Windows Phone stuff is solid and really quick on dual core 1GB RAM devices when it takes four or five cores and 3GB of RAM to manage the same thing on Android in my experience. That said the platform is under constant attack by google continually blocking and changing APIs and sites to break stuff for it along with less support for apps for stuff like exercise watches and GPSs.

    Roll on Windows Mobile 10 with unified apps which will hopefully fix a lot of this and make it a much more difficult target for Google to discriminate against like the petty trolls they are.

    MS do NEED to hurry the fuck up though when it comes to distribution of updates, it can still take months for the shitty network vendors to let updates through.

  152. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by sensationull · · Score: 1

    Or you could have given it to someone who would actually use it for its intended purpose instead of being a dick about it.

  153. shut down your apps by pbjones · · Score: 1

    Shut down the apps that you are not using or else the iPhone gets slower and slower. That's why there is a difference between older non multitasking phones and new ones. Double click the button and see how much crap is still running. Better than restarting every few days.

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    1. Re:shut down your apps by janimal · · Score: 1

      She habitually closes all her apps. This being after owning a Nokia N97, which required the exercise to even run.

  154. Android Google Play Edition by new23d · · Score: 1

    Google Play Edition devices IMO. Regular updates, no bloatware, well-written code.

  155. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    Or you could have given it to someone who would actually use it for its intended purpose instead of being a dick about it.

    Sure, I was a dick, but I didn't do anything Microsoft didn't do itself.

  156. Re:The same as ever: Android by lgw · · Score: 1

    The S5 mini is about the same price, which is what I'm looking at. But it won't do 4G data on T-Mobile, and fuck AT&T.

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  157. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by pev · · Score: 1

    Really? You're implying that slashdot readers are properly technically savvy? Those days are long gone. If that were true, all these arguments would be presenting reproducible and well explained cases (like proper bug reports!) not vague anecdotal stories that can't be proven... Just sayin!

  158. Samsung by riis138 · · Score: 1

    I have had really great experiences using Samsung devices, ever since the flip phone days. I am currently on a Galaxy s5, and I have found it to be remarkably durable, stable, and an all around solid phone.

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  159. Re: Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    oooh, could this be the right time for gnu/linux people to start posting their uptime?

    Yeah, I'd love to get free info on computers with unpatched vulnerabilities.

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  160. Re:Is it the phone or the stupid stuff installed o by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    neither I nor any of my many friends running iPhones are having the sorts of issues he's describing...

    Or they have found out the things (for example specific apps, settings or usage patterns) that make iPhone unstable and have just learned to avoid them.

    Ahh, so when Android seems more unstable, it's just because Android users are too stupid to find the apps that make it so?

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