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Explosions and Multiple Shootings In Paris, Possible Hostages (cnn.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Multiple sources are reporting that at least 18 people are dead across three shootings in central Paris. The Associated Press reports as many as 26, as of this writing. Some victims were at a restaurant, while others were at a nearby theater. Early reports indicate there may be a hostage situation with more people at that theater. Police have also confirmed an explosion at a bar near Stade de France stadium, where a football match was underway between France and Germany. There are reports of other explosions heard at the stadium as well, but no details yet. "The attack comes as France has heightened security measures ahead of a major global climate conference that starts in two weeks, out of fear of violent protests and potential terrorist attacks." The attacks occurred not far from where the Charlie Hebdo shooting happened in January. "French news media reported that Kalashnikov rifles had been involved in the shootings — a favored weapon of militants who have attacked targets in France — and that many rounds had been fired."
There are terrorist attacks bigger than this every day. Keep this shit in the idle section. Oh wait, it's because white people got killed.
I understand why terrorists attacked the WTC, because America was a major power in the middle east (both militarily and culturally, and the terrorists hate both). Furthermore OBL hoped to increase his reputation by pushing around the US military.
Why are they attacking France? What do they hope to achieve?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
It can't be true - they have strong gun control laws there. Criminals and terrorists would NEVER acquire them illegally. This insures that there is no need to arm the population. Said every liberal fuctard, ever.
Keep your heads down dept? Really? Cunts. 30 people dead and that's the best you can do? 9/11 brought to you by the don't take a flight dept? Do better you fucking corporate scumbag.
I had a dream, bright and carefree, but now there's doubt and gravity
Open borders. Enjoy.
How many unarmed cops got slaughtered this time?
The moslems are killing innocent people and you guys still saying you don't care
Now they are attacking Paris, later they will attack other cities, other countries and one day they will come to your neighborhood and attack your family
Unlike other religions, in Islam the act of KILLING is considered as honorable!
That is why throughout the world moslems are killing people - from Nigeria to Syria, to Kenya, to Paris, to WTC of NYC, to China, to Indonesia ... everywhere the you find moslem they kill
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
they took care of the last one
I thought when it came to the war on terror, it was mission accomplished.
Since they're still attacking American and European targets 14 years later, would that possibly suggest that our existing strategies are not working?
Good thing France has such stringent gun control laws to stop this from happening...as such this must be a hoax...O wait, its not is it...
Moslems kill for 'allah'
The more infidels they kill the moslems are being told that their 'allah' will reward them with more virgins
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
It is the moslems who are doing the fucking killings !!
Can you liberals please wake the FUCK up?
I've enough of the stupidity of you liberals ! The shooters are yelling "Allahu Akhbar" and you goddamn liberals are blaming the French !!
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Initial reports of the incident on Fox News are sourced to the Associated Press. This is because Fox News is not a news gathering organization. The Drudge report is linked to CNN, not kindred spirit Fox News because CNN has real bureaus with reporters all over the world. Fox News has blow dried bloviators.
Aren't the Associated Press and CNN part of the much reviled mainstream media? Without them, Fox News and Drudge would, at this moment, be devoid of content.
Who the fuck is ignorant?
The shooters are yelling "Allahu Akhbar" and you fucking liberals are beyond help !
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Can we finally dust off our nuclear stockpile already? Pretty fucking please? They don't want peace, they've made that perfectly clear many times, and these tantrums of theirs are only going to escalate. Can we finally start glassing some of these shit-holes? They're a danger to the rest of the world and it's time to start acting as such.
In the New Testament killing is never portrayed as honorable
On the other hand in the koran killings are portrayed as an honorable service to 'allah', as long as the one getting slaughtered are the infidels
I am a Christian and I do read my Bible, and unlike you, I do read the koran as well to see the big contrast among the two
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Typical progressive crap. We all know what "group" did this:
MUSLIM TERRORISTS.
France is reaping what they have sown. They have had accommodating policies to a group that is opposed to democratic principles, and believes in religious law. What did they expect? Muslims to live in harmony? Every Islamic nation has a violent border ... So to think they play well with others is just silliness.
...of SWAT is? Would be outrageous for them not to have something in place after the last thing, and regular cops should be armed as well.
Bukowski said it. I believe it. That settles it.
Seriously, prayers for the victims are needed.
The moslems are pushing for a total world domination, but they need the weapons and technology to do it
Europe and America have the technology and the weapons - them moslems are coming to take over both places and use the weapons and technology to help them conquer the entire world
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I wonder if they are going to learn from the Swiss that a Gun Free zone is a target zone. People should be trained and armed when there are valid threats in the area. Why just be victims? They have had one mass shooting. Want to guess how it ended?
http://world.time.com/2012/12/...
The truth shall set you free!
France has really stringent gun control laws. That did not prevented Charlie Hebdo. That also did not prevented 11/13/2015 events in Paris.
Has somebody noticed that tragedies in free gun zones occur not when people are not armed, but when the right to bear arms is limited. Because criminals do no care about zones.
Why is this on here? What exactly is the tech angle?
By denying the evilness of islam and accusing those who dare to oppose the cruelty acts of moslems as 'evil' the liberals are actually lending a helping hand to those moslem terrorists
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
We know Paris has the threats, they allowed these extremists to enter the country. They have opened up the boarders for refugees and now we are seeing the results. Funny I just read a liberal viewpoint on how since Jihad John is dead we on the downhill slide in defeating ISIS. Yea right, and we have a bunch of dead bodies in Paris that argue that we may have won a battle but not the war. God be with all those families who are grieving. Let's defeat these barbarians before they kill anymore of us. Stop the wimpy response and let's drop some more bombs, kill some more terrorists and destroy this evil that's taken over this world!
Running out of legitimate target?
Has Jesus Christ now become the latest target of your liberal SJW attack?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Well, listening to CNN right now . . . I heard the story of a guy who dragged out a bloodied teenage girl out of the concert . . . is this what Islam is all about!? Any Muslims are encouraged to answer!
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Which, obviously, must be zero, because of all you "good guys with a gun" shooting down all these bad guys, right?
What? One a WEEK???? Oh, sorry, MORE than one a week?!?!?
Kill murder and rape, then play the victim card.
... in the mainstream media reports of these atrocities. Isn't that strange. They actually think the public are stupid enough to not work out it's MUSLIMS. Muslim SCUM. Poor little muslims, no one likes you. I wonder why?
To all the fucking idiots on this website who support 'diversity' and all the other Jewish brainwashing that you've been too stupid and lazy to see through - let's pray that YOU are one of the next victims of these muslim murderers, who are in every white country on Earth now, rather than the majority of whites who never wanted a single non-white in our countries in the first place. Fuck you.
There are two: the RAID (police forces) and the GIGN (gendarmerie - the army).
And yes they are involved at least in one of the ongoing attacks (the Bataclan concert hall).
People forget that Syria was once a French colony. The Syrians have not forgotten that.
At least RAID, GIPN and GIGN
News for nerds? I know the topic is interesting for a lot of people, but this is not the right venue. Editors, please keep focused.
http://www.breitbart.com/video...
5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette & 6 out of 7 Dwarfs are not Happy
I have said it before and I say it now: This current flow of asylum-seekers to Europe is unsustainable and is destroying Europe. This terrorism is just one example of it.
Several European countries are on verge of war. Angela Merkel and the foreign minister of Luxembourg have both said this, although I disagree with their idea that allowing the flood continue would prevent those wars. Letting the flood continue just makes problems worse.
The other thing is the the flood is so heavy that in many countries there isn't free buildings available anymore. And the costs of providing social security etc is going to cost enormous sums of money which simply is not available for long term. And we know that the employment rates of these immigrants are extremely low even during good economic times and at the moment economy in not in that good shape, unemployment rates are already high etc.
Indeed. It's just a little workplace violence from the "JV team."
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Except for your house, pretty much the entire country is a gun free-free zone. You can own a gun and keep it at home, but you can only carry it to and from your Army training, courses by government-authorized firearms organizations, gun shows (which are also highly regulated), or to sell it.
You can't have your gun at a movie theater just in case James Holmes or a Jihadist appears.
It won't be long before the governments in Europe will use this tragic event to demand even more surveillance of the Internet. Expect encryption to be made illegal or mandatory backdoor access to all encrypted communications.
and the only one who has anything to gain from a weak, burdened Europe, is the United States, who have been pushing the war on "terror" more than anyone. Hmmmm.
Exactly. If they just had more guns they would get their mass shootings down to USA levels!
These "chaos" attacks where a handful of attackers with light infantry weapons (IIRC, the Kenya mall attackers had an RPK or some kind of light machine gun) are proving very effective as terrorist attacks.
Where will it happen next? The US?
Frankly, I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened in the US -- between vulnerable infrastructure, easy freedom of movement and even relatively easy access to guns, I'm really surprised that one of these kinds of attacks hasn't happened.
I would imagine beyond the sheer terror aspect, an attack during "Black Friday" might possibly cause a pretty serious disruption to the economy if an attack happened at a shopping mall. You could potentially scare away mall customers right when business wants them.
I wonder if they are going to learn from the Swiss that a Gun Free zone is a target zone. People should be trained and armed when there are valid threats in the area. Why just be victims? They have had one mass shooting. Want to guess how it ended?
http://world.time.com/2012/12/...
You think guns are the solution just because your sick, twisted little brain is too small to comprehend that some people don't feel the need to be armed at all times.
Oh, wait, you are just a sick twisted little sh*t that repeats everything Fox News and the NRA tells you to repeat. My bad. Now, just STFU.
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
Why is this here? How many Slashdot visitors are so computer-challenged that they haven't found out about this already, and gone to a website where they can find out a lot more about it than what they'll get here?
For the love of god, this points readers at CNN!!! It might as well send us to Pravda or Faux Noise (oops...that was supposed to be Fox News)
Please, no more of this space-filling, time-wasting, off-topic crap.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Says someone who has never been there. Thanks for the BS!
Swiss have more gun ranges than golf courses. Guess what people like to do a lot there? Guess which country in the EU doesn't keep track of violent crime stats because there is NONE?
I can quote a Wikipedia article that shows my political viewpoint, doesn't make it true.
Unfortunately I have to guess as the article doesn't appear to say what the outcome was.
They let the muslim hordes in, it was clear that some nasty shit would happen. But noooooo, to state the obvious is prejudiced.
Reconquista 2 when?
Circumcision is child abuse.
...of SWAT is? Would be outrageous for them not to have something in place after the last thing, and regular cops should be armed as well.
Take tour pick: RAID or GIGN. Google them. They are badass, and according to the latest reports, they already killed 2 terrorists.
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
...of SWAT is?
These guys.
Thank goodness. I feel safer already with the professionals on the job.
Have gnu, will travel.
When will the french drive them into the fucking sea?
France has really stringent gun control laws. That did not prevented Charlie Hebdo. That also did not prevented 11/13/2015 events in Paris.
Has somebody noticed that tragedies in free gun zones occur not when people are not armed, but when the right to bear arms is limited. Because criminals do no care about zones.
My dear imbecile: you can kiss my ass.
Go back to watching Fox News, you are a complete idiot.
Pick a country and kill people in the name of Islam
Cause hate against non millitant/radical Muslims in that country.
Non militant/radical Muslims become militant and radical from the new hate.
?????
Profit!
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
This is just proof that France needs strong gun laws. How many times does this has to happen before they modernize their gun laws and get rid of ALL the guns? They have only themselves to blame for allowing criminals to have guns!
BTW, according to some sources, ISIS is saying on Twitter that the next targets will be Rome, London and Washington. According to some news sources, the attacks in Paris have killed several hundred persons.
Well, the prbloblem is, terrorists don't care. Muggers don't either. And, unless you fancy a knife fight, i do believe guns to be a gun solution.
France's culture is mostly christian catholic with a lot of protestant. Then come muslim in number, and maybe atheist and jew at the tail end. You are confusing France's secularism with atheism. The state is separated from religion , but that does not mean the society is atheistic.
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You are confusing terrorism with armies. Those who overran spain back in , what, the 8th century were armies, just like went sent whole armies in their land to conquer it (remember the crusade? By your own definition it was pure christian terrorism - especially knowing how they massacred the locals christian, jew and muslim alike on their way there).
Citation needed : terrorism having vainquished a modern country and a horde of terrorist having the power. Muslim terrorist have no chance whatsoever to conquer a country like France. The best they could achieve is trying to frighten people, but even back decades ago when tehy were setting bombs in the RATP people were not afraid. We were just mightily pissed off that all trashcans were welded shuts.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
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visit randi.org
118 dead and counting
No "assault weapons" or high capacity magazines allowed in France. Bet some of the victims wished they had high capacity magazine firearms, better to have some chance than zero.
Why would U.S. citizen need high capacity magazine or semiauto rifle? This is why
Just declare Paris a "gun free zone".
In which since some believe in creationism, some don't like abortion under any circumstance, some get worked up over a coffee cup color, and some are anti-gay, but we always lump all of them together, anyway. Ok to generalize Christians, wrong to generalize Muslims. Thems the rules.
I'm not even a christian and I recognize that bit of cognitive dissonance in society.
It is perhaps distasteful to choose this time to be pedantic and even less tasteful to choose this moment to sling mug at fellow leftists but... people who choose to senselessly sacrifice freedom in the name of empathy with Muslims call themselves progressives. No true liberal (or Scotsman, for that matter) would do this.
And not every self-described progressive does this, obviously, but we do have a new term that has been recently been coined to describe them: "regressive left" or simply "the regressives."
It's muslims.
Yep I am sure they are all pointing their army issue guns at each other to dissuade muggings. Or perhaps it is a remarkably state controlled system. Fascist or Communist by your judgement of how things actually work. After all the guns are registered. The population is tracked. Even down to ensuring that they get enough shooting time at the range.
P.S. Switzerland is not part of the EU.
You mean all of the gang (and shall I mention black-on-black) violence that is classified as "mass shootings" in order to get the ignorant liberals' panties in a wad? When you run out of logical arguments, just start redefining things so that you can feed the masses blatant lies.
Without necessarily disagreeing with anything in your post whatsoever, can we please get a little discrimination of ideas and of people? You blurred these lines, and they really need to be un-blurred.
A Muslim police officer was killed while responding to the Charlie Hebdo shootings and a second Muslim helped hide Jews when those same jihadis went on another rampage in the following days. It's important not to forget that. It's also important to not forget that Muhammad killed people right and left, only pausing now and then to rape a nine year old or talk about the importance of kissing a magic rock embedded in Borg cube.
It's an evil and stupid book. People who have completely disagreed with me have gone on to do wonderful things, build wonderful things, advance the cause of physical sciences and history tremendously, etc. etc. disclaimers etc.... can I stop now? Is it ok to simply criticize people and ideas from the seventh fucking century now?
Don't forget about the refugees who staged a protest by refusing to leave their bus after the Swedish government (who has literally run out of all space after taking in a ridiculous number of refugees and is now temporarily housing people on the floors of random government buildings) tried to relocate them to a town that was too isolated and insufficiently warm during the winter:
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
Sorry for the horrible right wing propaganda source, but it's the best I could find.
In the U.S., there is a much better chance such attackers would be shot and stopped before getting too far - which reverses the message the attack sends, as in the case of the American tourists stopping the paris train shooting, which painted Americans in a positive light...
Paris (and other EU countries) because of extreme gun laws preventing innocent people from being armed, are very soft targets and you can look forward to a vast increase in such attacks over the next few years.
Probably the U.S. will have such an attack at some point, but I don't think it will get as far. I also cannot see 14+ Americans in a theater being taken hostage without a substantial number of them rushing the attackers - if even 20 people had done so initially 10 of them might have died, but hundreds more would have lived.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Western europe is committing cultural suicide importing this inhuman scum. These people arent "refugees" they are conquerors, they keep saying so themselves. Of course they can't help themselves killing people and mass raping the white infidels (of course the media will cover all of that up). Wake up europe. Fight back. Your governments won't protect you, the time to do it yourselves is now. Forcefully evict this inhuman trash from your country or else. Evict your criminal governments as well while you are at it. The people truly do have the power if you all rise up and deal with the vermin together.
Actually cases of mass shootings in America are *routinely* prevented by legal gun owners, but these cases tend to go under-reported by the media. There was a shooting in a mall either immediately before or immediately after Sandy Hook, for example, that was very quickly arrested by some random guy with a Glock.
You're free to use this to argue that the problem of gun violence in America is thus even worse than we think, but it is simply a lie to imply that private citizens have done nothing to stop mass shootings. There is a good reason why the worst shootings almost always happen in places where it is illegal to carry a gun. Students with concealed carry licenses at Virginia Tech have spoken freely about how they had to no choice but to run because they had chosen to obey the law that day. Even the Fort Hood shootings were as bad as they were only because the soldiers were not allowed to carry firearms while off-duty in that part of the base.
Regardless of whatever wrongs these people feel were done to them...
Regardless of whatever wrongs may actually have been done to them, their families, etc...
This will not help their cause, it will just make it worse. They are yanking the tail of the tiger, they will find they are unprepared for the other end when it turns around.
For all the jokes about France and surrender, the reality is they can be a tough bunch when they want to be, and they have strong allies around the world, including the USA who will come to their aid.
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I get that western nations aren't perfect, both France and the US have done things that we shouldn't have. But this doesn't "right the wrong", it doesn't "excuse" murdering hundreds of people who were just going about their lives.
All that will really happen is the cause of these people will be harmed for a long time to come. This was a stupid attack, many more people will suffer because of it.
It is not wise to bring semi-auto to the battle where your opponent has automatic defensive weapons.
Froggers could learn from their neighbours in Switzerland. Many things, not only freedoms.
Compared to what? The over 30,000 deaths annually in the US?
Just to be clear, there's nothing specifically anti-French about an AK-47. It is the rifle of under-funded underdog armies and guerrilla bands the world over, because it's cheap, durable, reliable, and easy to get parts. Rich armies like the US Army use other weapons.
Climate change makes people do crazy shyt
And she said Dirka-Dirka, Mohammed Jihad, Sherpa Sherpa, Baka-La.
What else do you expect from the religion of peace.
President Obama's BIG Presidential Event, COP21, is GAME-OVER.
That is a good thing because the French President and his government had sequesters 74,000 child prostitutes to service him, his government ministers, President Obama, President Obama's Cabinet Secretaries and their brood, and the UN ministers, their NGOs and HMOs from 2nd and 3rd world dictatorships and the Vatican which has a particular "taste" for Rio "young suckling", the human kind.
It is not wise to bring semi-auto to the battle where your opponent has automatic defensive weapons.
Froggers could learn from their neighbours in Switzerland. Many things, not only freedoms.
A semi-auto is fine if you have any experience using it.
It's more a matter of who saw who first.
And blaming America and the West "first" IS a real thing--just see what the self-styled progressive left (recently nicknamed "regressive left") had to say after Charlie Hebdo. Already, I am seeing people blaming France for Syria (one of the gunmen in these attacks even shouted "This is for Syria!"), as if opposing the Iraq war and then not getting involved in clusterfucked Syrian civil war but offering to accept refugees anyway is an unforgivable sin. The West is blamed when it does intervene and blamed again when it does not intervene, and it is being blamed by both the jihadists and the Western progressive (I refuse to say "liberal") apologists for those jihadists.
Trust me, it can be truly liberating to think independently.
Physician, heal thyself.
It is probably the Government of France leading the attacks, much in the same way as the CIA was responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City.
What better way to "get rid of that pesky rights crap" )as that Ashcroft fellow congratulated himself, having gotten rid of the Rule of Law in the United States) and impose a totalitarian full surveillance police state.
Oh yeah, you want armed people at a soccer match between France and Germany. Tonight we're gonna party like it's 1944.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You would have to add up quite a number of US "mass killings" to reach parity with what just happened in a single incident today.
Plus, this isn't just drug gangs killing each other in the hood.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
The Obama Administration has already used the word "terror" in a speech about this.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Import hundreds of thousands of people in an effort to destroy the idea of "countries" so it makes control easier for the life of the typical Globalist.
Sit back and watch as countries implode.
Where is the popcorn?
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
everywhere the you find moslem they kill
If you replace 'moslem' with 'human', I think you have a 100% accurate statement.
Why is is that every racist dumb-ass on the Internet is out tonight? Look, the problem isn't Muslims, its extremist religion. Doesn't matter what god people pray to, there are always a few fucked up idiots who have to take it too far, and Islam is no different than Christianity in that regard.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
You forgot to mention taking it to a rifle range for fun or competitive matches. Recreational shooting is legal in Switzerland. Like the US its sort of popular.
The big news is that Obama will soon recognize Myanmar (Burma). Then he will send forces to protect it from Chinese invaders (already massing on the border). Things will then get interesting fast. Enjoy your diversions while you can.
...and no one has the right to say, "We didn't know it was coming." When you knuckle under to a bully, you get more bullying, it's that simple. You show a spine, then and only then do they respect you. How many times do we have to learn this lesson before our "leaders" grow spines? My guess is, "thousands" since our "leaders" seem incapable of understanding that all their appeasement does is beg for more abuse.
Guess which country in the EU doesn't keep track of violent crime stats because there is NONE?
Switzerland isn't in the EU. The second part of your statement is equally stupid. Friends of mine do work in the Bundeskriminalpolizei over there and always have funny stories about the creative use of agro-forestry machinery to get rid of bodies.
Crime in Switzerland
In 2014, There were a total of 41 murders in Switzerland and had a murder rate of 0.49 per 100,000 population, the lowest raw figure and lowest rate for 33 years, since the start of the nationwide coordinated collection of statistical data
When was the last time a Christian, a Jew, or an atheist flew a plane into a building full of people while praising their God? Fuck them. This shit keeps happening over and over again, and every single time some idiot comes out and starts telling everyone that "they're not all like this". I don't care. A sufficient percentage of them I so ass backward that we need to do something about all of them at this point.
here you have an example of exactly what to expect if you are unarmed. why should you not be allowed to make the choice to at least attempt to defend yourself? your cowardice is amusing. you are scared of guns, so much, that you'll be the slave of anyone who is armed.
Terrorism is a statistically completely irrelevant cause of death. 2014 was the most peaceful year in human history. Recently, only 0.9% of all deaths are violence related and there are indications this is on the decline. Life Expectancy is rising, Child Mortality is dropping and life seems to be moving on. Apart from Cancer, Heart, Lungs and stuff like Malaria, traffic is a big one we should be worried about, really. Having a staircase in one's house is, for instance, more dangerous than the notion of terrorism ever will be.
Now, here come the news outlets. Apart from all this "Educating and Informing The People", "Freedom of Speecht" and "Checks and Balances" bullshit, the press and media generally exist to make money. In some cases they even seem to exist for more Machiavellian purposes, but to make money is a biggie. So when something as statistically insignificant as a terror attack happens *Close By*, the news explodes. It's like a gigantic circle jerk in which everyone and their uncle needs to fill yards and yards of column space or air time to talk about What May Have Happened, Why It May Have Happened or What May Happen Next and Which Refugees To Treat Like Shit Because Of This.
So generally speaking, the Media seem to take events like this and add to the sense of fear that terrorists would have instilled in the citizenry. As such, I'm beginning to view the media as culpable in the problem of terrorism, because any wacko can get a world wide platform by misbehaving in an instant. Social media are even worse when it comes to knee jerk bullshit and mass panic.
Which leads me to Slashdot. I think Slashdot is a haven of alternative news which offers refreshing takes on things, interesting articles, sometimes brilliant and inspired discussions. It is a news aggregator / outlet that works differently, feels differently and makes me feel at home in more than a few ways.
I am sad to see that even here, there needs to be a discussion on Paris. I came here to avoid that news. Moreover, I came here to avoid certain discussions about Guns, Islam, The Administration and Refugees. Because these discussions are boringly predictable, polarised, fraught with no-fact-debates and generally just plain stupid.
Just waiting for dave420 the taquia chief to come and tell us that all religions are as bad and it was just as likely to have been a Methodist, Mormon, or Buddhist gang.
It's listening to people like him that got is onto this state when Muslims clearly cannot mix with democracy - hell they even tell us they oppose it.
If only France had laws against gun ownership, this could be avoided!
All muslims in Europe must be rounded up and segregated into camps, pending deportation or disposal. All the city areas currently under islamist control must be occupied by military forces and razed to the ground. Arrest all muslim leaders and religious figureheads. Europe to Europeans!
Bah. Reading most of the reactions here is utterly disgusting. There's one fraction at the one side of the fence just waiting for the other fraction at the other side of the fence to do something, like a macabre game f volleyball.
The extremists on both sides are the best allies after all.
My heart goes to the victims and their relatives.
Btw, will Charlie Ebdo make now caricatures of these incidents? It would be double-standard if they don't...
Do this long enough and you are endangering the survival of the religion in question as external pressure mounts.
So as elsewhere nowadays: Short term profit causing long-term loss.
The more I think about it, and even though I do not like the thought, I ask myself if the Israeli aren't on to something.
For those not knowing: When they catch or kill a terrorist, they destroy the house of his family.
Yes, innocents are affected. Then again, how innocent are they, really? The attitude for becoming a terrorist doesn't come from nowhere. But that aside, as these people culturally value their families, it actually works as a deterence.
So what if France would through out the entire distant family of every terrorist? Children, parent, uncles, everyone. No matter how long they've been in the country or if they are french citizen. Destroy the breeding ground. It's a bit barbaric, but orders of magnitude less barbaric than what they do.
But here's one result: Relatives would rat out their sons or uncles or whatever when they suspect that they're up to this shit. I'm sure a lot of them love their family enough that they would rather see their son in jail for being a fucked up asshole than their entire family losing everything.
It didn't work the nice way. You cannot tell me there were no warning signs around these fuckers, that their relatives, friends and other close people didn't know they were become more radical, more aggressive, had new friends of no good. But apparently, none of those people who could have suspected something told anyone. Now almost 200 people are dead because blood was stronger than being a human.
It's just some muslim refugees integrating themselves into the western society. Try to enjoy the exciting multiculturalism. Otherwise you're a racist and a xenophobe.
whoops. moderated badly.
Yet, apparently, this counted as christianity. So why not Matthew?
Because it doesn't count for your argument? So who made YOU the arbiter of what the bible means??? And is this universal, or do different xtians choose their own authority? And if so, why aren't muslims doing so? Because you claim so? Are you a muslim, then?
Ooops. Doesn't match your desires and preconceptions, so you never looked for support, only conformation by someone else's claim.
Easiest way to get shot: live in a country where the police know you COULD be armed, then put your hands down preparatory to putting them behind your back to be arrested, and the police will shoot you for "going for your gun".
Europe seems to have shut down all immigration as a result of the violence in Paris. That means that Syrian refugees trying to get out of Syria and into Europe are now stranded and will suffer more than Paris is suffering and probably for a very long time as well.
Weather extremes, solar flares, microbial plagues... name your poison.
There is some rational advantage in having a few weeks of food and water, even if the likelihood of all incidents approaches a small factor.
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The Jihadis believe that if they can get the west into an all-out war against Islam, that they'll win, and the whole world will be muslims and their slaves. What they don't realize is that if they ever FULLY provoke even one nuclear power (like, say... france) into all-out war, then Mecca and Medina become radioactive holes in the ground, and tens of millions of muslims will die.
Ahmed Merabet can convert to Christianity, Judaism, or pretty much anything else if he's a decent human being. Islam is a retrograde force in the world.
By definition terrorism is psychological. Its effect is overwhelming in a free capitalist society (as much as France is). The west needs to remind itself that it is Christian. It has spent 100's of years keeping the Mohammedans out, for good reason. To let them in is certain disaster, and the end of western civilization. The only solution is ending welfare for muslims and mass deportations. The EU must also make huge investments in controlling its borders and boat traffic in the Mediterranean to deny these infiltrators entry.
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...are the cause of terrorism?
Got it! Thanks for all that insight. Into schizophrenia.
Next thing you'll say it's all those people who were shot that are to blame.
After all, if they weren't in a public place, nobody could have shot them in a public place.
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The vast majority of mass shootings in America have taken place where citizens are not allowed by law to carry guns and almost always are stopped when someone else with a gun shows up.
There is one case i am aware of (ohio) where someone assassinated a couple cops eating lunch and ran into a Wal-Mart where a concealed carry holder attempted to intervene but was unsuccessful and killed in the process. He did however occupy the assassins (2 of them ) long enough for unarmed people to escape and law enforcement to converge on to the scene. You cannot say he stopped them from killing anyone else nor can you say he saved anyone. All you can do is guess at how many others would have been killed if no one opposed them at all.
There are many self-defense shootings in the US that you can say did not turn into a mass shooting. However, when that happens you likely cannot say they would have either. That is because it is stopped before it gets that far.
Seriously, you think that GWB started all of these problems? 9/11 happened before that if you don't remember...
So, people running away from terrorists......are the cause of terrorism?
You are an idiot if you don't imagine some terrorists are coming in with the hundreds of thousands - ISIS has said they have several hundred operatives coming in with refugees. What reason have we to doubt that, especially now?
And since they are bypassing all border controls, they can bring whatever weapons they feel like...
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For all of the numbskulls that think all "religions" (a nebulous term that can mean wildly different things to different people, but I digress) are to blame when specifically Muslim terrorists commit acts of violence against innocents, using the Crusades as supporting evidence. I would like to point out that the Crusades were not called because Christians wanted to conquer the world and have a monopoly on control of religious sites. Far from it--Christian pilgrims in Europe and the Middle East were being butchered by the Islamist conquerors. Yes, many crusaders committed evil acts. Yes, even an entire crusade (the fourth) went wary, when the leader took the many and ran with it to attack a fellow Christian city for spoils. But none of this is evidence that Christianity is inherently violent or terroristic; all it shows is that Christendom found a common ground (i..e their shared faith) to join forces and protect themselves from ruthless invaders (the Abbasid Caliphate) that mistreated their own in the lands they attacked.
tl;dr the Crusades have just about nothing to do with ISIS and are totally incomparable.
There are tons of news sites covering this, and doing it a hell of a lot better than providing links to a worthless propaganda factory like CNN.
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Okay so after aligning themselves for 2+ centuries and funding the extremist Wahhab sect for 60+ years to the amount of over 100 billion dollars all these extremists are killing people in France and other places. So every time a Salafist, Takfiri, Islamic State, El-Nusra etc kill someone let's bomb the house of Saud. I'm willing to bet this problem goes away in a hurry once a few privileged princes in Saudi Arabia start getting killed.
Your evil spawn kill 150 of our innocent bystanders we kill 200 of your princes. There are roughly 5,000 members of the house of Saud so lots of targets.
The only groups that seem serious about fighting these Wahhab types are other Muslims with their Russian allies. Sufi's in Chechnya and Shia in Iraq and Syria have done more to stop these scum than anyone else.
1. You can have your full auto ak47 and myself with 7mm rem mag or similar bolt action. Who can pick who off at 800+ yards?
2. look at "bump firing" semiauto videos on youtube.
We condemn all kinds of terrorism. Who is doing damn. http://www.antalyalievdeneve.c...
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Divide victims by perpetrators and you are probably at par. And why do gang killings make less of a difference to you?
You were so close to the truth and then went off on an unsubstantiated rant. Religion is not the issue. People are.
That sad part is that we are so politically correct that we don't even use the same tools our ancestors did to make themselves great, namely self-imposed eugenics, and total war against enemies that threatened their security. Every single one of us on this planet are descended from purpose bred, genocidal ultra survivors.
Interesting that some parts of the Islamic population still practice these techniques. Yet have been proven very effective over millennia. The West's stance of tolerance and disarmament has also been teates over millennia, and it fails.
Enjoy your Carter Carastrophie. The seeds of it are starting to germinate now. Islamic nukes will be the tipping point.
What the fuck does this have to do with tech news? It's covered on every news site. Please remove it from Slashdot.
1. Liberals warned of the *muslim* human rights violations long before you knew how to spell moslem. Don't make a structural issue political.
2. Islam has long been used as a means to take democratic right away from all citizens of western democracies, so wake the fuck up and see what is going on, more citizens rights will be taken from the general population because we are obviously not grown up enough to be free.
3. OBL was created by America via the Mujahadeen when you supplied them weapons to fight the soviets. You could have fixed the country by installing schools and educating these fuckwits but, as usual you cut and run before the job was done and you paid for it later.
4. You created ISI? and a new brand of fuckwits when you cut and run (again) from IRAQ's borders and left a crushed and defeated people, who didn't want to fight with a bunch of *YOUR* weapons, Iraqis who happen to be christian - just like you.
You and your fucking cowboy politics that doesn't have the balls to stay put in a fight, the wisdom to know when to use diplomacy and the tenacity to finish a job.
This is the consequences of your fucking conservative, moronic, uninformed, ignorant, selfish, apathetic whiney "why do they hate us" politics. As a christian myself, I've long been aware of the sleeping devil in Islam and you fuckwits just had to go wake them up instead of let them flail around in some dusty shit hole.
Now, we all, as usual, have to pay for your inability to so any further than your own self interests.
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And make no mistake: not all muslims are bad. But those who believe they are better than others, they are and should be shot on the spot.
Hitler would be proud of you right now.
Andreas Lubits was suicidal - he was not a fanatic regligious terrorist. Is crashing of the plane he was in charge for as a pilot was an extended suicide fueled by a deadly mix of depresssion, narcisim and psychoactive prescriptoin drugs that are under suspicion by some researchers for causing sucidal tendencies.
The deliberate crashing of that flight had nothing to do with religious motives.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
"A Syrian passport was found near a body believed to be that of one of the suicide bombers. The holder of the passport—which has not been proven to be authentic—entered Greece with dozens of refugees last month".
We have concealed carry in the USA in all 50 states including at soccer matches. people are slaughtering each other left and right at those, yes? oh no they aren't. We do have problem with savages in inner cities with guns, but those are illegally held without permit
maybe violent eurotrash idiots in europe, with police record of such behaviour including at soccer games, should not carry firearms. I'd agree with that
That doesn't mean that the majority of the refugees are terrorists, nor even a sizable minority, but the argument does seem to have some merit.
...to tell that someone is a prejudiced racist cunt?
If they tell you a thing like "You are an idiot if you don't imagine some terrorists are coming in with the hundreds of thousands" as if it is a rock solid argument - BEFORE any identification has taken place.
I.e. Prejudice [prej-uh-dis]
noun
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.
Oh and BTW, no. One of the attackers, at this time, has NOT yet been identified as a Syrian refugee.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/22a0...
Ahmad al Mohammad, 25
A Syrian passport in that name was found near the body of one of the men who detonated a suicide vest at the stadium.
Fingerprints from the body matched those of a man who entered Greece via the island of Leros as an asylum seeker in early October.
He is said to have travelled through Turkey, Serbia and Croatia on his way to Paris.
FranÃois Molins, Paris public prosecutor, said the authenticity of the passport "had yet to be verified".
Unconfirmed reports from AFP suggest that the passport may have belonged to a Syrian soldier of President Bashar al-Assad regime who was killed several months ago.
At the same time, the same passport is found at another location hundreds of kilometers away from Paris.
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
With another guy's face in it. On another guy.
So... Why not another guy's hand at the scene too?
I mean... if we're gonna make wild unconfirmed guesses about smuggling guns (which are much easier to just buy locally), finding a refugee with a passport, already in France, and cutting off his hand there in France...
Seems a lot easier than marching across a dozen borders just to be the only non-local to blow himself up in Paris.
As far as wild unconfirmed guesses go... it seems a lot simpler.
But not in the mind of our resident prejudiced racist cunt, SuperKendall. Or his pal, gay358.
Nah... see... they imagine brown people smuggling guns and bombs across borders - cause that is what they LIKE to imagine.
That is the way they are set in their minds, and that is the way they see the world.
As racist, chauvinist, prejudiced cunts they are.
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