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Even With Telemetry Disabled, Windows 10 Talks To Dozens of Microsoft Servers (voat.co)
An esteemed reader writes: Curious about the various telemetry and personal information being collected by Windows 10, one user installed Windows 10 Enterprise and disabled all of the telemetry and reporting options. Then he configured his router to log all the connections that happened anyway. Even after opting out wherever possible, his firewall captured Windows making around 4,000 connection attempts to 93 different IP addresses during an 8 hour period, with most of those IPs controlled by Microsoft. Even the enterprise version of Windows 10 is checking in with Redmond when you tell it not to — and it's doing so frequently.
Is anybody surprised by this?
Microsoft has pretty clearly telegraphed they don't give a shit about what the people who own the machines want, and they're going to do whatever the fuck they want.
That Microsoft is doing this is surprising in no way to me.
Microsoft simply can't be trusted to not just do what they please here.
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For the enterprise version we really need it predictable so it can be managed. Even if talking to MS is harmless and overall a good thing, it means you are having your computer talk to something you may not want too.
At work we are still on Windows 7 with little chance going over to 10 because of stuff like this. (I would prefer Linux, but our management is stuck in the 1990s)
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
to actually capture the packets themselves...
CAP === 'captor'
"Don't worry, your data is encrypted and nobody will ever know what it is besides our business partners."
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
I'm not sure how any company or business that deals with information that requires security by law could be using Windows 10. It would seem that defense contractors, law enforcement, financial and tax services as well as anyone subject to hippa laws would be in default automatically because what is sent is not documented.
Maybe it is time for a class action or something to get it turned off for real.
The Microsoft shills normally go down one of these paths:
1)- "You can turn it off if you pay for it"
(this ignores that you can't really buy enterprise and is malicious behavior in general, ignores that you can't turn stuff off in pro- but now it ALSO ignores that EVEN ENTERPRISE HAS NO TOGGLES!)
So it's BIG news because it means that even Enterprise is tucked into their botnet.
2)- "But google does this on their phone OS"
(this ignores that a phone OS isn't the same as a desktop OS, ignores that phones are pretty terrible at privacy and that this is due to several vendor lock-ins that don't have good outs, ignores that there's phones that DON'T do this, and is just generally so full of false equivalences that it's ludicrous on the face of it)
3)- "I have nothing to hide / you're old if you care"
(this is something a marketer would say, not a rational person- no one actually wants to buy or use spy tech)
4)- 'You can turn it off"
(this article is the latest showing that NO YOU CANNOT- someone will post one of the scripts or spybots or whatever that purports to disable it, and might even, but if you need some crazy tech solution to get your OS to MAYBE not spy on you ludicrously, it's a terrible OS)
So finding it in Enterprise destroys (1) even further, and is interesting for (4) as well.
I'm sure it won't stop them shills shilling though.
Windows 10 collects EVERYTHING: indexes of your harddrives and other storage devices, your e-mails, contents of select documents, who you talk to and what you talk about, even what you type on the keyboard is recorded, compressed, encrypted, and sent back to Microsoft. Everytime someone finds a way of disabling it, Microsoft will enable it again. It will not change!
Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10, is the ultimate spying tool for the U.S, because the spyware is the operating system itself, and Windows is EVERYWHERE. If you have sensitive data on your computer, you can not use Windows, period.
You guys really have such a big problem with this? Because Google and the NSA are doing far worse. I'd rather have Microsoft in on the party too so one company doesn't have a monopoly on all the spying in my life.
How does, say, Ubuntu Linux compare to Windows 10?
I don't know if it still does it, but I heard that Ubuntu Linux used to send user searches to Amazon. And does not Ubuntu Linux have to make requests to Ubuntu servers to see if updates are needed? Could not those requests be used to track Ubuntu Linux users too?
How is Ubuntu Linux different from Windows if it behaves so similarly?
But it does have me curious what's being sent, details on that info would be very interesting indeed.
Any up for crushing their encryption? NSA? Bueller?
Collect the ip addresses being communicated with and publish them regularly to keep up with changes, so they can be blocked at firewalls.
In true Slashdot fashion, I didn't read TFA just the TFS. Assuming that the source is capable (ie, did everything practical to disable telemetry, including any weakly published registry settings, etc) and is accurately counting firewall hits (how many of these are one telemetry source retrying relentlessly?) and not attempting to be an anti-MS shill, this really sucks that disabling it per MS instructions doesn't actually disable it.
That being said, does it affect functionality? Does stuff not work (for all definitions of not work -- from not all to pokey slow because it's trying and faiiling to hit a telemetry server)?
While I would expect corporations with an eye on security to object, I would also expect places like that to have a fairly stern outbound firewall policy and filtering system that would block a lot of telemetry by default, mitigating some of this but still not eliminating the annoyance of a machine that does what it wants.
I'm also curious how much analysis of telemetry has been done. Do we know what processes on the machine are responsible for telemetry, and are there any ways to disable them? Have the telemetry messages been analyzed to develop firewall rule groups to block them by IP, URL or DNS?
I can see MS sneaking shit in but who else is?
for all of you who laughed at Windows for being a standalone OS with networking added as an afterthought.
Love to filter out posts which merely contribute variants of "No surprise here" or "Blah does this too" or "Who cares about privacy".
How about a -2, since it is sort of a spam-comment?
Has anyone analyzed the data being sent? Or is this a big assumption? Could this be other apps that were installed by default 'calling home'? I'm not doubting that MS might do this, but in all fairness, this seems example seems like unsubstantial speculation....and a pretty weak 'test to boot. Remember that high school class who put sprouts by a wifi router and found the 'closer plants died'? I did the same thing for fun, and found the closer sprouts actually grew faster and more abundantly, probably since they were warmer. Shouldn't we suspend judgement until further tests and confirmation is made...?
It's a Microsoft operating system, and by installing it you agree to their EULA. You have agreed to all this. MS can do what they want as they own the machine you run it on - end of story. The only way out is to use a.n.other OS. But you will not.
Unless you know which endpoint is for Microsoft telemetry or which process in W10 makes the connection then the information in the article is not helpful for anyone and causes confusion.
Many applications would connect to services for getting settings, downloading content, acquiring licenses, etc...
If you want to know what telemetry is being uploaded use SysInternals tools to locate the process that uploads the data and Wire Shark to view the content. You could even try creating a "C# ETW trace listener" application to look at all event data. Most of the events never leave the console and are 3rd party events for debugging purposes.
It is not a conspiracy, Microsoft has all the documentation and API on MSDN for you to figure it out.
...this is legal?
Linux, FreeBSD, etc. Reputable distributions will not spy on you.
Since MicroSoft backported telemetry into Windows 7/8/8.1, can you really be sure that you're any better off with any version of Windows?
Really think they are not using this collected data against your business.
How stupid can you be.
If you block connections, what would have normally been one successful connection can become many connection attempts. It's also possible that retries for the same thing would use different IP addresses. Someone needs to try an experiment like this without the blocking. A log of the data being transmitted would also be interesting. A lot of that is probably encrypted, but https monitoring via wildcard certificate MITM could capture some in decrypted form.
Has anyone developed the list of URLs or IPs that need to be blocked in the firewall in order to nerf this telemetry?
Has anyone blocked 'em all? How does Win10 respond then?
Windows 10 is going to run in Parallels on my Mac and all networking will be turned OFF.
#5: I don't give a shit.
I don't respond to AC's.
Go away, APK.
Hi, Alex.
Must be really frustrating not to be able to post 200+ times a day.
How's the weather in Syracuse?
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One problem with the approach used is that the firewall is configured to drop all connections. This is not a realistic picture.
An analysis of the content would also be interesting because even with telemetry disabled, there are plenty of reason for connecting to Microsoft servers such as software updates. Most of them are port 80 and port 443. Port 80 is normal http traffic and is easy to analyse, port 443 is encrypted so it is a bit harder but if you can add your own certificate authority to the windows install, you can try doing man-in-the-middle. There is also UDP port 3544 which is related to IPv4 - IPv6 transition, which in itself is probably harmless but may hide other connection attempts (that's one of the reasons why you won't get a realistic picture by dropping everything).
The only thing this experiment tells us is that Windows communicates with MS servers even with telemetry disabled. It smells but without further analysis, it is not very useful information.
Longtime Slashdotters will instantly recognise this as APK.
Why do you even bother anymore, Alex?
It's a Microsoft operating system, and by installing it you agree to their EULA. You have agreed to all this. MS can do what they want as they own the machine you run it on - end of story. The only way out is to use a.n.other OS. But you will not.
Nice Troll, old troll. So far as I know MS does NOT own the machine I run it on. If I ran Windows 10 then you would have a good argument that they 0wn3rz my machine though. And you might be surprised to learn that EULA's are not necessarily legal in their entirety, many have been thrown out in court cases.
What, no P.S.=> this time?
go back to 3dfiles AlecStaar
I have what I consider a toy computer called an Acer Aspire Switch 10, portability it's goal, The display will detach from the bottom half, usable then as a tablet, You can update to Win10 you can't downgrade, and it came installed with Win10.
I didn't need any test run to know what to do, electrical tape over the camera, and while I turned the microphone off (you can talk to it "open so and so") I'm sure it's very much active.
While stated in the TOS, they have no warnings such as from Samsung which basically says: "my god folks we can hear every word you say".
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/...
It's what they tried to have the Xbox do but were shouted down from that approach, while everything else MS sales has it's abilities.
Oh no I don't trust it at all, it was a gift so I keep it around, stopping it from connecting to the WiFi whenever it wants is checked often to insure it's not, as that's one of it's built in "features", it will find a source and connect, camped my phone for awhile.
So I can log into a terminal session on my home router. The router also supports blocking hosts by either IP address or by hostname. Somewhere on it those hosts must be in a config file, and I can probably just edit that file via a console. This means I can run a script. A script that can periodically check for an updated list of hosts to block. Either I or someone else can maintain such a list.
This list puts all their shit out of business. This is the way of the future then. I look forward to the new generation of broadband modems coming out to support blocklist technology exactly for this purpose: To block evil companies from spying on and tracking us.
My guess is, if the author were to carefully track this, that eventually it will be noticed that, following upcoming system updates to Windows, that the hosts he has listed will magically change and there will be new ones. Microsoft and its evil cohorts can easily shuffle around IP addresses in response to this. So running a blocklist filter on home broadband modems/routers is the way to go now for the future of privacy.
Make network devices designed specifically to shut off all Windows 10 spying. Looks there should be a good market for this. Anyone know of product announcements? I'd be interested in a consumer-priced one. As it is I am stocking up on Windows 7 systems - the last usable MicroN$Aoft OS product.
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for a number of us ( concerned users ) to set up a project that uses the methodology described in the article, to compile and maintain a table of the addresses that 10 connects to. We then format and publish it as a list to import into firewalls to deny access to ( blacklist ) as unsafe sites.
MS are acting more like a creepy stalker than a software company nowadays. I used to poke fun at Steve Ballmer's odd public image and seemingly strange behaviour, but he ran a better MS than Nadella could ever dream of. Admittedly that is the perspective of a user rather than a shareholder, but you need to please one group in order to please the other. Maybe it is because Ballmer has somewhat more history with the company. Maybe he learned how not to alienate people. Even though people used to joke that MS were evil, they always made the product I wanted and needed. Their business practices could often be subject to vaild criticism, but their operating system was typically the best option at least for me. That has all changed. I don't need or want Windows 10. I've tried it, and it isn't too awful on the front end, but the shenanigans behind the scenes are too much for me.
What kind of data could MS be sending with the UDP protocol? (referring to the data shown with the link in OP's post)
Are we to the point of a class action lawsuit or a Congressional investigation?
If all we're talking about is everybody here boycotting Microsoft, it's not going to work. We're a very tiny percentage of computer users.
What realistically can be done about it?
Aside from having a hard drive, how is this different from Google, Facebook or any cloud service.
This is no different from using Chrome for everything you do daily....
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The kind of traffic matters. Some external communication is reasonable.
NTP, to synchronize clocks.
Checking for certificate revocation.
Checking for the existence of security updates.
Downloading lists of sites known to be malicious.
You can take responsibility for these functions, but servers need to get them done.
Don't mess with The Phone Company. Piss them off and you'll be using two tin cans and a piece of string.
But can you reread your post? I mean, a 2d interface kinda should run fine on a quad core with 8 gigs of ram.... That's not something to boast about :)
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Say Windows 7
Even if you click to opt out of the "improvement program" or "customer Experience Improvement program" it will not take unless done in the task scheduler. There are normally three that must be disabled in that area, or your still in, and send reports.
Article didn't mention this idiosyncrasy.
You guys really suck at this sometimes. The connections made by his computer was done by a WORM from his computer. It break Windows at first install. You can only detect it happening with infected machines that never ran Windows 10. Only previouses versions. When a newer version comes, it always ghost the same horrible virtual machine.
To solve this, Microsoft must only break the compatibility with anything but .Net 4.x and then good bye to the onion-based cake-junkie-trolls "phantom" (but not so much) jamesbond-villan-kinda-like network.
Duh ~~
With MS doing the ET thing, suddenly the incentive for Linux distributions to go serious UI and retail sales push as a "Secure Windows Alternative" is now becoming potentially very profitable for both home and business users.
Would not be surprised to see a Linux Distribution go to full sales mode VERY soon, including TV ads.
Sure, win10 sucks for phoning home.
Some of the other fud is just bullshit.
Only on slashdot is Linux a viable alternative to Windows in a business environment. Seriously, anyone who thinks this is utterly delusional. No we're not going to abandon our corporate accounting and erp systems for gnucash. I've actually had an idiot suggest this to me on irc one day.
Me: Windows. Blah blah
Idiot: lol who even runz windowz lololol
Me: too much software is Windows only
Idiot: liek wat?
Me: like our accounting system
Idiot: wtf just install gnucash
Me: are you serious?
Idiot: what's wrong with gnucash?
Next, Windows breaking apis to force upgrades? What the fuck? How does 16 bit confused code from Windows 3.0 still run on Windows 2008 32 bit?
Fuck you losers.
Sure, but I bought it at the end of 2008 specifically knowing I'd run Vista on it, and my way of future proofing is as much cheaper trailing edge CPU as I can find, and as much RAM as I can afford -- especially since I'd seen our poor QA guys trying to run it on a cobbled together machine with 512MB of RAM.
It worked just fine until the machine keeled over about a year ago, but it was starting to push the memory (I was also running VMware on it).
Then I replaced with a box with an AMD FX-8320E/8 core and 16GB of RAM ... over many years I've found almost nothing future proofs a machine than what sounds like a stupid amount of RAM.
Part of the problem is I don't think "minimum specs" for a Windows machine has ever been anything but a lie. It's always required much more than MS ever claimed it should.
It still amazes me that people are still selling machines with 4GB of RAM like it was 10 years ago. That just screams of leaving people with machines with far too little resources.
Even in 2008 machines with 4GB of RAM wasn't nearly enough.
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what's normal is what's defined in society. I remember a story about some Africans who migrated to the US to escape persecution. They were used to very little privacy because of their living conditions. When they moved to the US they suddenly had lots of the stuff. So much they had mental problems from the disconnect with people.
A lot of American obsession with privacy is brought on by puritan style shaming. E.g. we do have stuff we want to hide, even if we don't really need to. Yeah, there are really good examples where our privacy can be infringed (the stuff their doing with license plate readers is downright scary) but you can definitely take it too far, and there's a case to be made that America has.
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No proprietor can be trusted, that's what the free software movement has been telling us for decades. It's not at all surprising that a company which has been distributing proprietary malware for a long time continues to do so. Only people who think they know an OS by running it for a long time or want to believe that a proprietor-supplied control would truly protect one's privacy from the proprietor would believe otherwise.
Digital Citizen
The government forces all cell networks, internet providers, and any tech company to collect and then give all the data to the NSA, they have all the metadata from all your calls from any app, they have all your gps location data from you phone if you have that enabled, and they also have every single post, or like on any video, blog, site, social media, every text, dm, email, picture, videos, contacts, search history.... Do i really have to list the rest?
But minimum specs are for running only Windows - not even any bundled applications like calendar, calculator, minesweeper, or recommended ones like antivirus, MS Office. How many people do that?
Should MS be honest and include the memory requirements of typical application set? Yes. But that is not the way business communication works. Serving size of coca cola is 2 nanograms, you should ask your doctor for this medicine even though you are not qualified to decide and he is, Apple computers don't get windows viruses. All true, useless statements devoid of honesty.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
Apparently, if you're running the minimum specs ... nobody!
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Only use Microsoft to play computer games on. Keep that AV updated and use real OS's for other tasks.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
There is NO WAY the government should be using Windows to store any data on citizens or national security. Taxpayer data, Health data, military data, diplomatic data, etc are NOT SECURE if they are on machines that are quietly phoning-home to Microsoft, continually violating firewalls etc. This is a way for corporations and foreign entities to get at info they should not have.
If members of congress in all 50 states were being hammered on this, and when their staffers answer that "there is no alternative", they were told about Linux and BSD (which are more stable, mature, and capable than the operating systems the government has frequently used in the past) there might be some progress in either advancing Linux/BSD or getting the government to reign-in the Microsoft monster's spying - and either or both would be good.
ANY contact between a Windows machine and the internet that is not strictly necessary is a security risk and an opportunity to be hacked/snooped and also becomes an opportunity for malware to hide nefarious activity as "normal" phone-home activity - background noise that IT people will eventually begin ignoring.
People: We call it "Spying" : We call it "National Security" : We call it "Telemetry"
NSA
M$FT
WTH is with teredo even existing in windows 10 let alone enabled by default in enterprise edition? NOBODY uses Teredo for anything other than exfiltration of data from poorly managed corporate networks. The time for amateur hour unreliable automatic IPv6 tunneling has long since passed.
When you guys run these tests it is really helpful to capture DNS lookup data alongside so we can backtrack and make sense of the source. Once shit hits Akamai and similar MS operational abstractions it is harder to figure out what its for... reverse lookup after the fact is worthless.
As for MS I'm done... just can't put up with this shit anymore.
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One other idea that would work for this would be to modify any app that engages in network activity to always append a unique identifier to all its traffic. Then filter software on the router could be trained to either allow or reject traffic from different apps.
So for example all network traffic coming from Firefox on a particular system would be configured to append a unique identifier to all its traffic. When the router sees a packet from Firefox it recognizes the unique identifier, then removes it and transmits it out to the Internet. I think this would probably be easy to do with Netfilter.
With this type of system the router could be set to deny everything except what it recognizes and explicitly allows.
I would actually combine this with the blocklist above for the highest level of safety.
Its funny too because this would kind of take the unique identifier idea - which has been used notoriously to track people - and turn it on its head to provide privacy.
OK this is Linux's Big Chance. The nost savvy most technically literate most intelligent people are going to, for the first time, really really be looking for alternatives to Windows because of this shit. I know I am (not to say I qualify as any of the above). Those people, that 5-10% decide for their familes, their inlaws their friends their co-workers what's cool, what's great and what you shoudl avoid.
So is Linux ready or does it still expect its everyday users to be keen to memorize lots and lots of magical incantations - "sudo apt etc etc etc etc" - in order to really GetShitDone?
Every time I wanted to do something on previous version of Ubuntu- purpotedly the most user-friendly version of Linux out there- I quickly found myself instructed by the cognesceti to solemnly intone this and that long incantation into the darkness of a dos prompt. That's a deal breaker.
Does anyone in Linux-land really understand that very basic fact? People know how to use my computers by memorizing trails through GUIs. That mimics how primitve people (people like me and and you) learned to navigate and find their way around the real world; they used signposts and landmarks to remind them where to do next. Folks, accept it- this is how are brains are wired to find things in a complex environment.
Text is NOT how we are wired to find things. We have no good memory for text- it's always an explicit labor of memorization. And those memories are remarkably frail and subject to confusion with similar text-based memories. That's why indexes and filing cabinets and encyclopedias are alphabetical- because otherwise we'd never find that thing we were looking at before just by remembering where it was last time.
But I can remember how to get to the store, how to get home, where that vacation camp is that I last visited 20 years ago. Because it's a trail, just the kind of thing my brain is specialized to remember, with landmarks thattrigger further memories, landmarks which effectively let me offload the work of explicit memorization.
So.. do we have a real GUI in Linux yet or am I going to have to sudo apt my way around still? Because this is most definitely the magical moment Linux has been waiting for - the Gigantic, Customer-Alienating, Self-Inflcited, Grand Windows Fuck Up.
The TV ads showing the Microsoft Security Center using the cloud to make us all safer. Guess where some of that data comes from?
Whoever created the intel sticker with "NSA inside" needs to somehow squeeze Microsoft in the same sticker.
It gets so that nobody who tells the truth and talks about the real facts and figures can survive within about five levels of management of the executive suite. Anyone who does immediately gets the bum's rush: incompetence, insubordination, bad judgement, blamed for someone else's incompetence or malfeasance, face doesn't fit, socially inept, politically incorrect... the list goes one for ever.
Hence the top management never gets to hear the truth;
Rumor is Nadella himself is actually kind of the opposite. He will go quiet and basically ask you "what do you do here" or "why are you doing thing X?", listen to you thoughtfully, and then decide with a finely-tuned BS detector whether you are competent to do your job.
Windows updates no longer have descriptions for a reason. Wouldn't want folks to know what is going on their systems. Might need some more personal info, send an update!
When someone else that is not microsoft start to have fun with all those "hidden internet services".
If microsoft not trying to create an OS full of exploitable flaws fails at that quite miserably, imagine microsoft actually trying to do that.
Windows Vista just needs 1 or 2 GB of RAM, and a few years of patching. RAM was $100/GB when Vista came out, and fell after that.
Because windows users don't care what goes on within their computers (there was some wallpaper legalese that they clicked through saying that everything they do on their computer while using Microsoft(tm) software(C)(tm) can and will be reported back to Microsoft(tm), this "revelation" comes as no surprise. Microsoft gets to read your email, log your bank account numbers, peek into your checking account, log your buying habits, profit by selling your "information dossier" to any and all marketing firms, warn insurance companies about your driving records, health records and anything else they can make profit from. It might seem unfair, but there is "One Microsoft(tm) Way", and you can bet cash that the Microsoft Way isn't the "End User" way. Go ahead though, try to sue Microsoft(tm). Or if the users don't like it they can always turn the computer off, or switch to something else. See what I did there? End users don't care enough about what Microsoft(tm) does to switch. M$ could even steal $1000 from their bank account every month, and they would not care enough to change. And through the abuse, Microsoft(tm) keeps on doing whatever it likes.
Stop using Windows.
that tried to use "privacy" as a pro for their Microsoft defense - you got what you deserved.
Good to see the APK Sockpuppet Machine is still limping along and gasping for breath.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
a bunch of Gex-Y, Gen-Y, and Millennials whining about the big bad NSA spying on them..... and then posting every detail of their lives on Facebook, tweeting their every mundane thought, and wrapping themselves in the warm loving embrace of Google and Microsoft while running hardware made in China with who-knows-what malware built into the very ICs and boot ROMs courtesy of the Communist Chinese army.
And, yes, I can laugh because I don't live-blog my life, don't do everything on a smartphone, and I only use hardware and software I can trust for important data. That no longer includes Micro$oft for anything I would not be willing to put on a road-side billboard. You can still get American made hardware if you want to and there are still Americans who know how to write a PC BIOS. This stuff all got its start in the US and there are plenty of workers in the US who remember how to do it and still are doing it in small firms and in narrowly-targeted markets where "penny-wise and pound-foolish" is not the rule of the day.
gstoddart once again proves he has the minimum specs to qualify as a doltish mongoloid cretin brain with his unoriginal scribblings wasting slashdot posting space with his drooling dribblings.
This is not new behavior. Win2000 server did this as well. Simply open a file explorer window, and it dialed home - to a round-robin pool of DNS servers.
I'm sure others have come across this as well.
Witness the low cerebral activity of a mongoloid cretin's brain in gstoddart's unoriginal scribblings evidencing his doltish idiocy!
This is one of the truths on things being "Free"... 99 out of 100 questions always seem to have the same answer... $$$. You think Micro$oft is going to just give something away for "FREE"?? Ask me about my specials on bridges for sale... Someone has to pay for it, and our 4th and 5th Amendment Rights and any other privacy is obviously the price of admission. (Apparently they are also, without legal parental consent, conducting surveillance on all under 18 year-olds.. wonder what they do with that data??) If you want privacy in today's Orwellian world, you will need to air-gap your system and just never be online, or be very keen with linux or some other OS not designed from the ground up with constant surveillance in-built... Because it's FREE you know. (Bernie Sanders minded 'economists' need to really take some notes on this one...)
Having made the decision to not "upgrade" my question is - has anyone looked at win7 - does it also do this?
Are you speaking about a problem that still exists in Windows Update for Win7 beyond the fix available in https://support.microsoft.com/... that is not a mandatory update? I've recently had to install this one myself (manually) to fix a computer that became utterly unusable while Windows Update was scanning for available updates. Its memory management is a joke.
Or stating things, we all now since a few days after the win10 release. Things we knew even in the beta, but hoped they would go away in the final version.
If you don't own the machine code, the machine owns you.
Speaking of dribblings, do you still fuck your dad on the weekends?
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Don't forget stuff like remote desktop which might be programmed to check in for not metric gathering reasons, then again, is that even still a feature on Windows 10?
Lol, it's so easy to push your buttons, APK. All I have to do is...exist. :)
Prove your claim you worked for Microsoft blowhard.
I didn't, I worked for Microsoft Corporation. The Blowhard Division is down in California or someplace.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
the Linux community was making the same mistake of forcing their users into a new UI paradigm
I think you've got that backwards. The community was the victim, not the perpetrator. It was the developers who forced the phone/tablet paradigm on the community. As far as I can remember, the community was perfectly satisfied with the old paradigm, and would have been quite happy to receive incremental improvements.
Why would Microsoft allow people to completely opt-out? If a large portion of people opted-out of being tracked then they would be unable to offer Windows 10 for free. They aren't offering a free upgrade to Windows 10 that they are trying to force everyone to upgrade to as an act of charity. They expect to make money off of selling people information and hoping people buy apps in the app store but they know that they will make most of their money be selling peoples information they collect.
Prove you worked for Microsoft Corporation. APK proved you're a webmaster profiting by ads and don't mind almostalladsblocked since it doesn't block all ads http://slashdot.org/comments.p... hence your campaigns against him all through you post history because he has a hosts file that works against all ads and you state in your post history you don't mind almostalladsblocked users which is easy to explain, as it doesn't block ads from companies you profit by and hosts do.
Ah, still more simian grunts from slashdot's own resident mongoloid imbecile gstoddart whom we are priveleged to witness in his natural habitat projecting his issues onto others!
So, if a corporation can just make up its rights and decide how far over the line its allowed to go, and then bury these made up things and over-reaches in legalees, AND THEN tell me, "By opening this package and installing this software you agree to the terms of this agreement", AND asking me to click accept over and over again until I'm numb to the word AND remove my right to sell my purchased license to another party.... whats to stop ME from doing the same thing?
Mine says in the first sentence that it supersedes any and all agreements pertaining to my personal information, locations and activities relating to any piece of technology hardware I operate, binding or otherwise, with any person or corporation that does not have the same physical fingerprints as I do, and is subject to change, without notice, at any time.
At this point... I could maybe secure my system in the name of the COPY PROTECTION of my personal data.... just a little bit...just enough to make em accidentally try for it instead of just giving it to em. Then I just wait for %FACELESS_CORPORATION to find a way to circumvent my weak half-assed *copy protection* in some automated manner, THEN BAM! I cry foul... its off to the arbiter of my choosing for the damages of my choosing yadda yadda yadda.... Its all in the agreement you accepted when you sold me software! and now %FACELESS_CORPORATION has circumvented my fancy copy protections! DMCA time! More DAMAGES!
No more software for telemetry data trades? FINE. I remember the 90s, I got along just fine... I still don't carry a cell phone, I already run my own email server, and I have no problem reading my own freaking maps.
Uh oh.. I'm rambling now..
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
See subject: How did they taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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(LOL, loser...)
APK
P.S.=> If Computer Associates & Thor SCHMUCK were right, then WHY did they have to remove a program of mine as a 'threat' lowering it to ZERO/NO THREAT levels, stupid? apk
See subject: How did they taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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(LOL, loser...)
APK
P.S.=> If Computer Associates & Thor SCHMUCK were right, then WHY did they have to remove a program of mine as a 'threat' lowering it to ZERO/NO THREAT levels, stupid? apk
See subject: How did they taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(LOL, loser...)
APK
P.S.=> If Computer Associates & Thor SCHMUCK were right, then WHY did they have to remove a program of mine as a 'threat' lowering it to ZERO/NO THREAT levels, stupid? apk
See subject: How did they taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(LOL, loser...)
APK
P.S.=> If Computer Associates & Thor SCHMUCK were right, then WHY did they have to remove a program of mine as a 'threat' lowering it to ZERO/NO THREAT levels, stupid? apk
See subject: How did they taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(LOL, loser...)
APK
P.S.=> If Computer Associates & Thor SCHMUCK were right, then WHY did they have to remove a program of mine as a 'threat' lowering it to ZERO/NO THREAT levels, stupid? apk
See subject: How did they taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(LOL, loser...)
APK
P.S.=> If Computer Associates & Thor SCHMUCK were right, then WHY did they have to remove a program of mine as a 'threat' lowering it to ZERO/NO THREAT levels, stupid? apk
See subject: How did they taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(LOL, loser...)
APK
P.S.=> If Computer Associates & Thor SCHMUCK were right, then WHY did they have to remove a program of mine as a 'threat' lowering it to ZERO/NO THREAT levels, stupid? apk
...If the truth were known, our corporations are infested by thousands of would-be Hitlers who lack what it takes even to be a petty tyrant.
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