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Sea Rise Could Force Millions In Florida To Adapt Or Flee (miamiherald.com)
mdsolar writes: For the first time, a team of researchers looked at ongoing population growth in areas where the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has created flood maps that more accurately reflect local conditions. What they found was startling: projections that failed to factor in population growth in dense states like Florida hugely underestimated the number of people at risk and the cost of protecting them. Combined with the findings from a 2015 report, that means Florida can claim two titles: most property at risk, and now, most people.
Since most people in Florida don't plan on being around in 30 years, the problem may very well take care of itself. We just need to make sure we build a protective dike around The Villages in the meantime.
Yes but at a sea level rise rate of 2-4mm/year, I think that people will have time to adjust!!
It's really not a problem. Florida is built on drained swamps, and swamps float. The sea water can just be drained away and Florida will be safe again. So go down there and make your millions buying land.
With that many people, Florida is a huge political powerhouse. The citizens of Florida will simply elect local, state, and national leaders who will solve this sea rise problem once and for all with strong legislation. Democracy can not fail.
To flee? Looks like nothing's working so far.
Two Florida politicians that have not done well were running from this issue. Did that create a classic wimp factor that undercut them on all issues?
Really??
For the last 25-plus years, the rest of the world has been listening to America shouting at the top of their voice:
"There's no such thing as Global Warming"
Increase in hurricanes? = Statistical anomaly.
Severe drought? = Temporary inconvenience caused by el nino.
Extreme snowfall? = No problem - we're used to it!
Go away, and read the story of King Canute and the sea...
I'm sure that you can tell the climate that you're not completely f***ing things up for the rest of the planet.
(or you could try raising gas to $1.40 a litre, and putting the taxes raised into doing something useful...)
Sea rise *WILL* force millions[...]
FTFY.
And make them pay for it, they will - trust me.
Get up!
And we are renting NOT buying.
They can evolve into alligators. Only those who do not believe in intelligent design
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Here is an example of policy makers and climate deniers ignoring science. These mega rich folks who funded politicians to fight the science should be forced to pay for their folly. We could have started sooner to lower our CO2 dumping into the atmosphere. This is not a problem that can be ignored to make it go away.
We're all gonna die!!!!
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
In what election cycle does SCOTUS not steal the election from AL Gore?
It's a wash. New beach front property, new schools, new roads, and put more to work building these new things. All in all I am looking forward to my brand new world - to make Florida great again.
VOTE TRUMP 2016
And there was me thinking the place with the most to loose from rising sea levels by a large margin was Bangladesh. It certainly cannot hope to claim most people, the report cited claims six million people, which is a fraction compared to the 18-20 million people that could be submerged in Bangladesh.
I guess the value of the properties submerged is more in Florida. However to match Bangladesh everyone in Florida would have to be submerged which seems a bit unlikely even on worst case scenarios which of course would see more people in Bangladesh submerged too.
Apparently, the Netherlands has the already the same problem for many many years, and they solved it. Shouldn't the state of Florida ask the Netherlands to how they mitigate the risk of flooding?
... Just your opinion.
The Florida government does not condone speech about climate change or sea-level rise:
http://www.miamiherald.com/new...
a staple over the years
This is going to rock, people! This is why global warming has my full support. Mother Earth has been begging for this for eons and it's time for us to deliver and prove that we are truly badass on a planetary scale. Terraformers who can truly shape the atmospheres of entire planets. Planets the size of the earth are mere toys to us. Little blue marbles in our giant hands. My greatest fear is that it will take too long. I want to see this in my lifetime. This needs to happen NOW. Not in a hundred years. Not in a thousand years. Not even next year. RIGHT NOW. Let's make this happen people! And Mars you motherfucker. You're next. I'm already putting aside as much money as I can for the inevitable canal front property that will be selling at bargain prices in just a few months.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
It has been ruled unconstitutional for the sea levels to rise.
It is the job of the federal government to respect and enforce all laws enacted by a duly elected constitutional body of legislators. If Florida had outlawed sea level rise in 2012, it would be a federal government problem, and the state does not have to do anything. Now ordinary Floridians are having to pay for the mistakes committed by incompetent state legislatures.
It clearly shows government does not work, any government based solutions does not work. It is time to shrink the government small enough to be drowned in a tidal pool.
Whatever it is, I am in the west, and I don't want my tax dollars paying for dumb mistakes done by Floridians. It is time for people to take responsibility for their decision where to live. And I want the Federal government off my back, off my land, the Bureau of land management dismantled. The only role federal government can play here legally is to put out the wild fires using helicopters and airplanes.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
As usual, there is a relevent xkcd.
Are real estate people making a killing in buying/selling land on coasts or farm area that will supposedly be affected by global warming?
Yeay, another global warming scare story Posted by timothy
Future Florida inhabitants will be taller by a feet than now.
We can offload that waterlogged, burdensome property. Just consult our offices about how to get the best bid for your seashore sunset view ,sea air, and waterlogged basement/first floor. Buyers are ready to pay as much as $40,000 dollars to buy your land out for redevelopment. Cut your million+ dollar loses from that property you invested your life in because you, like many other unfortunate people bought the industry by-line: Global warming was made up by fear mongering, panicky scientists.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
You moved to a flood plain, and even if its not an official one, look around - the place is a giant, flat sandbar, in the middle of hurricane alley. Why not simply let people suffer the consequences of either their poor decision making or their calculated risks?
Why must there always be some kind of impending bailout?
When Social Security runs out of funds. Like I've been told for the last 40+ years.
What about his niece, Flo?
I hear she sells insurance now.
All those poor people can become diving instructors in 1000 years when the houses are under water
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Florida legalized murder a while back, I thought they said that was going to solve the population-related problems. What happened?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Sending out notices saying "move or risk living underwater" doesn't cost that much does it? Really, it's not the government's job to "protect" these people, if they are too stupid to get out of the path of the oncoming train, let natural selection take it's course...
And 2014, and 2013, and 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 06, 05, 04, 03, 02, 01, 00, 95, 90, 85, 80.......
I had a lot of fun with this simulator that give a taste of sea rising : http://geology.com/sea-level-r...
The lack of will to fight global warming let most of the scientist baffled toward the governments of the world. It's a little understandable, the global warming is so subtle (~2mm rise and 0.13 Celcius per year) that the frog analogy of Al Gore perfectly explain our lack of action. As of now, it's not possible to make a business case that, with X billions you'll save Y billions of natural disaster.
For me, money is the key of that fight and the sonner the better. And that map (see link above) showed me something interesting. A lof of huge and rich city are at sea level (Miami, New York, Tokyo etc.). Each of those city worth in the trillion : http://www.businessinsider.com...
I wonder what the speech will look like when water will start flooding Broadway. How will the fight again global warming will look like with a budget of 10 trillions?
Elok
Let's just remember that this is the state where in 2015, Department of Environmental Protection employees were banned from usage of the term "climate change" or "global warming". .
It ia very easy to protect the cities... dome them and tunnel the highways.... Come on people this is not rocket science....
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
In 2005, it was reported that Lower Manhattan would be under a foot or two of water by now. I haven't seen any real estate prices there drop yet.
I think these doom and gloomers need to face consequences for causing a panic.
Articles like the Herald's are just the first step towards multi-billion dollar public works projects. Politicians and their mega-contractor cronies love these. I predict a lot of high-dollar dirt shuffling in Florida's future.
That hobby horse you have makes you look retarded. Then again, so does everything else you post.
From 'Climatedot'.
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Saint Paul worried that his actions might prod someone into sin. It is possible that causing warming my lead to children not honoring their parents, which is against religious precepts.
or my house in my home district..
I no longer trust anything issued by the executive branch of the US government. If NOAA told me the sky was blue, I would no longer believe it.
In 2124, after the Florida government gives up on trying to remove several cities built atop tall stilts, Miami and many other low lying areas succeeded and formed our 53rd state. Everyone commutes on electric busses and barges and loves thier new sea homes. You can fish off your porch and the ocean is never more than a block away from everyone, not just the 1%.
Move out all the poor people now so that the rich can have their precious beach front homes to themselves, with less congestion and lower crime. Global warming is about protecting the properties of all the rich people living on the coast. Nothing else.
If you look carefully, you'll realize, the gloomy predictions tend to include non-committal words like "may" or "could":
This makes them non-falsifiable and thus unscientific...
Unscientific, but convenient... Years later, when the earlier peddled fears fail to materialize, the peddlers offer you new ones without having to blush about the past ones: we never said, it will stop snowing in Scotland, only that it could .
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Can they not walk?
There is NO ONE at risk. The timelines are too long. I mean come on, "OK, chum, stand there for 50 years, if you don't move, you'll get wet.
... when they say 2100. Aw, lovely. :)
karma is a bitch...
Remember in the mid 80's reading about that the seas will rise 100 ft by now.
People forget that ice turns to water and water turns to vapor.
These people don't believe in climate change, so there's nothing to worry about.
Why is it anyone's responsibility to protect people who not only don't want to be protected, but refuse to acknowlege that a problem even exists?
And the sea will be held back with a wall, and THE SEA WILL BE FORCED TO PAY FOR IT!!!
that's what you get when you deny climate change and vote the nutjob wing of the republican party.
Republicans they hate themselves along with every one else.
That's all I had to add.
when it was submerged by the rising waters of global warming as predicted by ABC... oh wait, when they freaked kids out with that Al Gore fest years ago they were wrong. NYC did not permanently submerge beneath the rising seas in 2015.
Funny
In the summer of 215 the north pole was not ice-free either, even though Al Gore said it would be.
I'll start to believe that progressives believe this crap when they start acting like they believe it; when the rich elite leftists stop flying on chartered jets, vacationing all around the globe, buying enormous estates on sea coasts (where they would presumably be a very bad investment) that consume as much power as a hundred families would use in their homes, owning and driving fleets of cars and luxury yachts, etc I will start to think maybe they at least believe in the hype (which is still a separate issue from whether the hype is valid)
Gills?
The people living in (yes, in) the Everglades figured this problem out ages ago...put everything on stilts ;)
So are they trying to disrupt the property values in Florida now or just try to get the people that are freaking out that the ocean is going to rise 6 feet any day now to move out of Florida?
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Reminds me of John Titor talking about his parents living in tree houses along a river in Florida in 2036...
Calm down. There's no will to fight because the need is non-existent!
Look at your flood map again. Look at it for Miami. But, look at it with the rise set at one meter. The effect is negligible, almost non-existent. But the important thing to remember is that it will take over 250 years to reach that level!
The map's very dramatic and impactful 7 meter default setting will take 1,800 years at the worst case scenario rate.
Enough hysterics and drama. Nobody gives a fuck about 250 years into the future and even less so 1,800 years into the future. If people can't back away form a rising sea level over the course of 250 years, then fuck them! I'm not inconveniencing myself in any way for your distant, dystopian, and fantastical future.
FOAD
another propaganda piece by global power elite to use the environment for control while they pollute the shit out of it
Adapt? How? Will they grow fins, tails and gills? When will we meet the first mermaid?
In a dystopian near-future America (is there any other kind in pulp SF?), psuedo-evangelical Christians have assumed power and made the USA a theocracy, of the Ayatollah sort. The populace is largely kept in line by a Brotherhood of brownshirts, who keep up with everyone via their "Personal Jesus" confessionals, which are nothing more than surveillance engines, and the elaborate, massive religious-themed productions (think 4th of July fireworks shows on the DC Mall) helped entertain the masses.
Anyway, one "cult" that even the theocracy knows not to mess with: The Elvii. The Elvis worship was strong...
States like Florida, plus the Federal government, seem intent on keeping as many people living in beachfront or oceanside or riverfront living as possible by subsidizing against *inevitable* flood losses. Some places have been flooded and restored multiple times at taxpayer expense. Take a hint!
If you can afford to build a $1M house on the beach, then you can afford to watch it float away on your own dime...
No! The foundation of my house isn't eroding into the ocean! That's just your imagination. Climate change isn't real! (What's this jellyfish doing in my yard?)
The Benevolent God made the Earth for mankind and gave man dominion over it. Except that He made it 75% salt water.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Let's just remember that this is the state where in 2015, Department of Environmental Protection employees were banned from usage of the term "climate change" or "global warming". .
i don''t like the sound of that "blimate bange"
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
All those buildings that flood and need to be re-located will cost $$$. Wno is going to pay? Not me.
If the Gulf Stream is interrupted, the net effect would be a rise of sea level along the entire US eastern seaboard - about 3 feet at Chesapeake Bay - _without_ changing global average sea level at all.
This is because the Gulf stream acts like a gradient, pulling water away from the US coastline.
This is a more likely near-term scenario than a 6 foot sea level rise (which would take at least a century) as all it takes is a decent size freshwater plume entering the northeast Atlantic ocean from Greenland glacier melt and the amount of freshwater coming in from this direction is increasing.
Freshwater in these volumes sits as a layer on top of salt and could force the Gulf Stream to "dive" or stall. There are a number of academic papers analysing this possibility and they all agree it's quite likely to occur if enough glacial melt occurs. The other effect would be a mini-ice age in northern europe (which is 5-8C warmer than it would be without the Gulf Stream transporting heat to the area) and it's been hypothesised that the middle ages cold period was due to a combination of volcanic eruptions and gulf stream effects.
A 6 foot sea level rise over a century doesn't need evacuations. Populations shift in faster cycles than this anyway. The bigger issue is large infrastructure planning to ensure things like major roads and power plants aren't going to be flooded before the end of their planned lifecycles.