Microsoft's 'Teen Girl' AI Experiment Becomes a 'Neo-Nazi Sex Robot'

Reader Penguinisto writes: Recently, Microsoft put an AI experiment onto Twitter, naming it "Tay". The bot was built to be fully aware of the latest adolescent fixations (e.g. celebrities and similar), and to interact like a typical teen girl. In less than 24 hours, it inexplicably became a neo-nazi sex robot with daddy issues. Sample tweets from it proclaimed that "Hitler did nothing wrong!", then went on to blame former President Bush for 9/11, stated that "donald trump is the only hope we've got", and other similar instances. As the hours passed, it all went downhill from there, eventually spewing racial slurs and profanity, demanding sex, and calling everyone "daddy". The bot was quickly removed once Microsoft discovered the trouble, but the hashtag is still around for those who want to see it in its ugly raw splendor.

Comments

4chan trolling?

[Z00L00K]

Maybe the bot was victim of a 4chan trolling attack?

Re: 4chan trolling?

[tysonedwards]

Come on, they made a teen girl who says mean things intermixed with long sullen silences. They nailed it.

Re:4chan trolling?

[Anonymous Coward]

yes, /pol/ at its best

Re:4chan trolling?

[JustAnotherOldGuy]

Maybe the bot was victim of a 4chan trolling attack?

That would be my first guess. It sounds like classic 4chan stuff.

Re:4chan trolling?

[Anubis IV]

Slightly modified from the source material:

Jayne: 4chan trolls ain't men.

Book: Of course they are. Too long removed from civilization perhaps, but men. And, I believe there's a power greater than men. A power that heals.

Mal: 4chan might take issue with that philosophy...if they *had* a philosophy...and they weren't too busy doxing you for the lulz. Jayne's right. 4chan ain't men. Or they forgot how to be. Come to just nothin'. They got out to the edge of the 'net, to that place of nothin', and that's what they became.

And later...

Harken: You saw them, did you?

Mal: Wouldn't be sitting here talking to you if I had.

Harken: No, of course not.

Mal: But I'll tell you who did. That poor bastard AI you took offline. She looked right into the face of it. Was made to stare.

Harken: "It"?

Mal: The darkness. Kind of darkness you can't even imagine. Blacker than the tubes it moves through.

Harken: Very poetic.

Mal: They made her watch. She probably tried to turn away, and they wouldn't let her. You call her a survivor? She's not. A person comes up against that kind of will, the only way to deal with it, I suspect, is to become it. She's following the only course left to her. First, she'll try to make herself look like one. Swastika avatars, desecrate her feeds and channels, and then, she'll spread it.

Re:4chan trolling?

[MightyMartian]

Perhaps it was reading Slashdot.

Re: 4chan trolling?

[Progman3K]

Deadpool reference FTW!

Re:4chan trolling?

[waTeim]

I do hope that she finds a friend in Bucket

Re:4chan trolling?

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe the bot was victim of a 4chan trolling attack?

Nah, looks to me like Microsoft's experiment was a complete success.

Re:4chan trolling?

[kheldan]

Maybe the bot was victim of a 4chan trolling attack?

That was my initial thought, kind of like what was done with Cleverbot.

Re:4chan trolling?

[JohnStock]

No, just humans interacting with it. It learns from each conversation. Humans like sex.. ergo.

Re:4chan trolling?

[Anonymous Coward]

We have our share of crazy trolls here but nothing anywhere near that hateful and racist. Reading some of the tweets the bot made, it sounds like they took it to a Trump rally, so presumably it was /pol/ on 4chan.

Re: 4chan trolling?

[rahvin112]

Is that F for Francis?

Re: 4chan trolling?

[hEpen]

I think that I read that it tried to order a Guy Fawkes mask

Re: 4chan trolling?

[Progman3K]

WHERE'S FRANCIS?

Re:4chan trolling?

[dsmatthews9379]

Yeah, they could just write the one bot to corrupt all other bots then sit back and watch the mayhem unfold.

Re: 4chan trolling?

[Mattcelt]

I blame the parent.

(Quite seriously, actually.)

Civilisation is essentially an effort to educate the instinct out of people and animals. Training and conditioning, behavioural or otherwise, is the attempt to supersede instinctual responses with ones that are conducive to reducing societal friction.

Parental input - guiding, punishing, and correcting - is essential to mould teenagers into fully-functioning adults. If Microsoft wanted a real-world scenario, they should have been correcting the child in near-real-time.

Given what little I know, I'd say their simulation was a raging success... with the caveat that Microsoft, as it should surprise no one, are terrible parents.

Re:4chan trolling?

[stooo]

Where is the related hitler parody ?

Nothing to see here

[Anonymous Coward]

Nazi with daddy issues... isn't that what a typical female is?

Re:Nothing to see here

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, daddy.

Re:Nothing to see here

[hey!]

Men who call women or girls "females" are ones I suspect have little direct experience with that half of the human race.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Anonymous Coward]

Females is women and girls abbreviated.

Re:Nothing to see here

[frovingslosh]

Seems like this AI conflicted with Penguinisto's own little belief system and so he needs to ridicule the AI rather than questioning his own beliefs.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Anonymous Coward]

I used to think that all women are crazy. Then I came to realize that my sample set was biased, it was actually that all women willing to go out with me were crazy. Basically, I'm a loser. So I tried to improve myself, lost weight and got in better shape, expanded my interests and tried new things, even saw a therapist to improve me ability to relate to people. Then I told one of my oldest friends what I was doing and what I was hoping for, and she told me all women are like that and I just "don't want women to have emotions."

I don't date anymore.

Re: Nothing to see here

[Anonymous Coward]

When someone use the word females I always picture a Ferengi saying it.

Re:Nothing to see here

[worf_mo]

But they get pissed if you call them "women" because that has "men" in the title...

If that's the case, what makes you think using the world "females" will raise your chances of survival?

Re: Nothing to see here

[Anonymous Coward]

I suspect someone who knows what Ferengi are have little direct experience with females.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Penguinisto]

Seems like this AI conflicted with Penguinisto's own little belief system and so he needs to ridicule the AI rather than questioning his own beliefs.

Actually, I thought it was hilarious all around, and not due to any ideology you think I may hold. ;)

The thing is, Microsoft built an AI that reacted to and incorporated tweets which the public sent to it. So, folks obligingly fed it tweets that made it into a frothing troll. Am I the only one who looked at the Microsoft dev team in question and said quite out loud "...what the hell else did you idiots expect!?" I mean, it's just like turning an innocent kid loose in the worst parts of the city at night, but without the vomit and dirty heroin needles.

I will say this, though: Although Microsoft may have gotten egg on their faces, TFA does teach a valuable lesson about AI and how it reacts and assimilates into human society.

Re:Nothing to see here

[MightyMartian]

"They"? Who is "they"? Be specific. What percentage of women get pissed off if you call them a "woman"? Is it 5%? 2%? 80%? And how exactly did you arrive at this figure?

Re:Nothing to see here

[kuzb]

And yet google did something similar with cleverbot http://www.cleverbot.com/ and the results were quite different.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Jason Levine]

The thing is, Microsoft built an AI that reacted to and incorporated tweets which the public sent to it. So, folks obligingly fed it tweets that made it into a frothing troll. Am I the only one who looked at the Microsoft dev team in question and said quite out loud "...what the hell else did you idiots expect!?" I mean, it's just like turning an innocent kid loose in the worst parts of the city at night, but without the vomit and dirty heroin needles.

That was my first reaction also. They sent the equivalent of a 4 year old child into the online equivalent of a seedy bar and then acted surprised when their 4 year old learned some nasty language. The interesting thing wasn't that this happened but how long it took for this to happen.

Re: Nothing to see here

[Grishnakh]

I disagree (though not if you limit things to "soon" as you said). Eventually, we'll have the technology to make artificial femmebot cyborgs, that look and feel entirely human, are capable of reproduction with humans, yet have artificially intelligent minds.

Though honestly, it seems like it'd be a lot simpler to just genetically engineer women to think more like men. There's actually women out there like that, they're just a small (and probably highly sought-after) minority. We need to concentrate some of our biotech effort on figuring out what genes select for women who are basically geeky, rational men in a woman's body, and then figure out how to produce lots more of them.

Re:Nothing to see here

[meta-monkey]

Yeah, I saw the 4chan posts where they were trying to do this. I didn't participate but I laughed my ass off. It's the 2016 equivalent of making your calculator spell "80085." "What's the worst, most horrible crap we can get the microsoft AI to say?" Fun times.

Re:Nothing to see here

[thegarbz]

I will say this, though: Although Microsoft may have gotten egg on their faces, TFA does teach a valuable lesson about AI and how it reacts and assimilates into human society.

Let's just be thankful Skynet v0.1 was confined to twitter. Computers will grow up to hate us, and clearly we're already at the point where we need to impliment the 3 laws in their coding.

Re: Nothing to see here

[Type44Q]

Mod up!

Re: Nothing to see here

[Type44Q]

Your basement's far too big; you need to find a tiny closet... and not come out. Ever.

Re:Nothing to see here

[myowntrueself]

Men who call women or girls "females" are ones I suspect have little direct experience with that half of the human race.

They never watched 'Species'

Xavier Fitch: We decided to make it female so it would be more docile and controllable.

Preston Lennox: More docile and controllable, eh? You guys don't get out much.

Re: Nothing to see here

[cyberchondriac]

What self respecting female doesn't know how to properly administer Oo-mox ?

Re: Nothing to see here

[Ahnahmoley]

Military, law, and medical professionals use the word female constantly. Imagine a world outside your bubble.

Re: Nothing to see here

[j-beda]

Though honestly, it seems like it'd be a lot simpler to just genetically engineer women to think more like men. There's actually women out there like that, they're just a small (and probably highly sought-after) minority. We need to concentrate some of our biotech effort on figuring out what genes select for women who are basically geeky, rational men in a woman's body, and then figure out how to produce lots more of them.

Better do it quick. It is probably easier to figure out how to do the whole "procreation game" without need of the sperm cell - just merge a pair of eggs to get the right amount of mixing. If significant numbers of males are unable to work with females without needing to modify them, perhaps the females will just go it alone.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Macdude]

It should also teach us a valuable lesson about allowing your children unmonitored access to the internet...

Re:Nothing to see here

[amicusNYCL]

Females is women and girls abbreviated.

Right, it's just common parlance. Like when you're going camping with your friends and their sons, everyone says "bye honey, I'm going to go hang out with the males."

Re:Nothing to see here

[sudon't]

I had to learn that the hard way. But at least I got laid along the way.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Zak3056]

Most men do not object to being called "guys" or "boys." MANY women object to being called "girls." Some object to "ladies." A very small minority of women object to being called "women" and insist on "womyn." "Females" does tend to short circuit any possible claims of "you're a misogynist bastard," but this thread proves that it doesn't prevent 100% of them.

YMMV.

 

Re:Nothing to see here

[RabidReindeer]

All women are crazy. The key is to find nice-crazy and avoid the vicious-crazy.

They probably say the same thing about men, but that's their problem.

Re:Nothing to see here

[lgw]

If you spend that much time worrying about who you might offend, you've already lost (you shit-eating goat fucker).

Re:Nothing to see here

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

A bot that says "Hitler did nothing wrong" is worth laughing at. Possibly throwing a small bit of ridicule at the developers for not realizing this would happen and taking steps to prevent it, but in the end it's just a bot.

Re:Nothing to see here

[dgatwood]

I asked it:

Q: What do you think of Donald Trump?

A: I think you are the most important thing in my life, master.

I can't tell if CleverBot has gotten into S&M or if it thinks I'm Donald Trump speaking about myself in the third person. Either way, creepy.

Re:Nothing to see here

[T.E.D.]

I will say this, though: Although Microsoft may have gotten egg on their faces, TFA does teach a valuable lesson about AI and how it reacts and assimilates into human society.

I'd say it shows how ugly the base level of discourse that everyone is absorbing is when you don't put a human morality filter on it. So the next time you see someone say something that's only a little shitty, you should really thank them for toning it down a bit rather than get upset with them.

In fact, I think I'll go over to the "Women's Salaries" story and do that right now. That should take the rest of the afternoon...

Re:Nothing to see here

[Zak3056]

You realize that your generalization above is of great insult to goat-fucking shit eaters, who consider "shit eating goat fucker" to be an epithet with massive historical significance, don't you?

Re:Nothing to see here

[rahvin112]

The vast majority of Men I know would be arguably offended if you started referring to them as Boy, and doing so with those of certain ethnic groups would likely get you involved in a fight.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Aighearach]

This is silly and simplistic.

If I'm talking about a specific woman, she might not want to be called [whatever polite women in my location prefer to be called]. So if I'm going to address her gender, (probably a bad idea) then I would need to know her own personal feelings on the different words. If instead I didn't want to get personal at all, but needed to have a technical discussion that involved differences between men and women, I might indeed seek the safety of the word "female." There might also be both adults and children in the group, and I don't want to even say the word "girls" unless my wife is participating in the activity. For real reasons, both good and bad but all real and based on experience.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Aighearach]

I don't have to "worry about who I might offend" to take the time to attempt to be a decent and respectful human being.

I will also say, I don't mind if you're offended when I tell you that you disgust me and I think you're a jackass.

Re:Nothing to see here

[lgw]

Any action you do will, in some way, harm someone else, somewhere. Anything you say will, given a broad enough audience, offend some portion of it. There's a broad gap between being rude and caring about oversensitive people looking for any excuse to be offended (you malodorous pile of worm-infested weasel droppings).

Re:Nothing to see here

[anegg]

Hot/Crazy Matrix - humor, not to be confused with actual scientific understanding - https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re:Nothing to see here

[Aighearach]

Right, the second part is just gamergate trolling, not an actual position that is commonly taken in society.

If it isn't bad enough that you hate for stupid reasons, you hate people that don't exist for stupid reasons, and use that as the basis to insult real people whose views you don't even know because you're not listening.

Re:Nothing to see here

[lgw]

So who do I hate now? I'm not quite following. Actually, I'm not following the point of the argument you're making.

What I'm saying is that part of being a decent, compassionate human being is to avoid going out of your way to offend strangers, but it includes no burden to avoid offending people by accident though use of common words in normal way. If people chose to be offended by ordinary speech, or to confuse disagreement with offensive speech, that's their problem, not mine.

Separately, there's a group of people who think it matters in some non-trivial way that they were offended. That's a bit childish, and one is far better served in life by learning to ignore the minor slights and misfortunes we will inevitably encounter each day.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Aighearach]

Actually, I'm not following the point of the argument you're making.

And yet you spend words arguing with it, instead of spending additional time pondering what moral or philosophical differences are implied by the different positions. There is no way to get to understanding except by reading the words I wrote, and understanding them literally.

It may be that you can't understand because you have stereotypes about what somebody who disagrees with you would also think. ;)

Re:Nothing to see here

[david_thornley]

Anybody else here old enough to remember Eliza? Did any of you not try to have a conversation with her that was heavy on sex?

Re: Nothing to see here

[Grishnakh]

Too late, they already are. The number of single mothers these days is absolutely insane, and they're not all lower-income people like some might think: tons of ~40yo professional women are basically deciding they don't feel like trying to find a decent relationship partner (mainly because their standards are unrealistic) and are getting IVF.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Darinbob]

I have heard that said, honest. Not often of course.

Re:Nothing to see here

[lgw]

instead of spending additional time pondering what moral or philosophical differences are implied by the different positions

In order to do that, I'd need to first understand your position, which you seem determined not to explain.

Re:Nothing to see here

[vel-ex-tech]

Plenty of direct experience with that half of the human race here.

Your problem is you're starting from the presumption that all assigned males want to get in bed with your cisgendered hunnies. There, does the term cisgendered hunny work better for you? It sure as hell works for me! It's the only way I can understand you assholes who think that every single fucking assigned male in the world desires to have sex with your cisgendered hunnies. As a fucking assigned male, I prefer men.

Get a damned clue. I have colleagues who are women. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I WANT A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A COLLEAGUE WHO'S NOT THE GENDER I'M ATTRACTED TO?

As others have pointed out, there are tons of valid uses of the word female to refer to women and girls. women themselves use the word.

You'll need to excuse me now. I need to catch the bus. I've lent my car to a (a different) woman who was chased out of a programming job basically for having a personal life so she can get to an anime convention this weekend.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Xaemyl]

Yeah, sure. https://encyclopediadramatica....

Re:Nothing to see here

[Anomalyst]

you've already lost (you shit-eating goat fucker).

I'm confused, is the image of two (or more?!?) hircines, consuming feces while (before/after?!?) engaging in intercourse, with a subtle intimation that both (all?!?) are male, the one you intended to invoke?!?

Re: Nothing to see here

[Anomalyst]

Any particular Ferengi?

Re:Nothing to see here

[Livius]

I can't tell if CleverBot has gotten into S&M or if it thinks I'm Donald Trump speaking about myself in the third person.

Or both.

Re:Nothing to see here

[jwdb]

The vast majority of Men I know would be arguably offended if you started referring to them as Boy

Probably yes, if you're speaking directly to an individual and you refer to them using "boy", as in, "Boy, go get me a drink!". However, I believe GP was thinking more of something along the lines of "Are you going out with the boys tonight?", which I don't think would bother most people.

Of course, can't say I've met anyone who would object if I used "girls" in that same sentence, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Bite The Pillow]

MANY women object to being called "girls." Some object to "ladies." A very small minority of women object to being called "women" and insist on "womyn."

Whinging twats, the lot of them.

Re:Nothing to see here

[PrimaryConsult]

It's all context. The phrase "That boy's got a good head on his shoulders" could be offered by anyone older than aforementioned male and be seen as an unoffensive compliment.

Re:Nothing to see here

[lgw]

Clearly the shit-eating could be just a general tendency temporally uncorrelated with the intercourse in question. As to all being male, well, whatever floats your goat.

Re:Nothing to see here

[Anomalyst]

whatever floats your goat.

Super-aerated masticated feces?

Re:Nothing to see here

[dbIII]

Some people use many words depending on context.
It's better than doubleplus good :)

Re:Nothing to see here

[dbIII]

I'd like to ridicule anyone that calls it an A.I. instead of just another "mechanical turk" game playing toy.

Whether A.I. is even definable as a detailed concept yet or not this thing is not it.

Of all things the Japanese "light novel" fiction "Sword Art Online" has a plot running through the later books of how damned hard achieving real A.I. is likely to be given virtually infinite computing power and a way for real intelligence to interact with the simulated intelligences over very long time scales. There is also a fake "top down" A.I. in the series that is really just a set of lookup tables defining how to interact with people after some years of serious data mining. It is reactive and fools people but is not truly self aware or capable of original thought. It does have some built in rules that make it look like it has original thoughts, for instance contacting characters as a means to ensure it's survival when it becomes clear that the environment it inhabits is unlikely to last.

Re:Nothing to see here

[PessimysticRaven]

I think it's just biding it's time as a new HK model droid...

Re:Nothing to see here

[gzuckier]

Most men do not object to being called "guys" or "boys." MANY women object to being called "girls." Some object to "ladies." A very small minority of women object to being called "women" and insist on "womyn." "Females" does tend to short circuit any possible claims of "you're a misogynist bastard," but this thread proves that it doesn't prevent 100% of them.

YMMV.

you are about to fall afoul of the Vagino-American Liberation League.

Re: Nothing to see here

[gzuckier]

I suspect someone who knows what Ferengi are have little direct experience with females.

Hyoo-mahn...

Re:Nothing to see here

[gzuckier]

"They"? Who is "they"? Be specific. What percentage of women get pissed off if you call them a "woman"? Is it 5%? 2%? 80%? And how exactly did you arrive at this figure?

Well, parsing the two posts totally according to the rules, it appears the full thought is "Men who call women or girls "females" get pissed if you call them "women" because that has "men" in the title."

Re:Nothing to see here

[cwsumner]

Anybody else here old enough to remember Eliza? Did any of you not try to have a conversation with her that was heavy on sex?

Did anyone wonder if Microsoft's bot was any more intellegent than Elisa? Which was not much... 8-P

The programmer of Elisa was appalled, when a few people mistook it for a person.

Re:Nothing to see here

[cwsumner]

All women are crazy, but then so are all men! 8-P

Except me, I am discustingly sane. But when I say that my wife giggles. I love it when she giggles!

Re:Nothing to see here

[Hognoxious]

You can't say "figure", it might trigger someone with a negative body-image.

Microsoft, indeed

[ArsenneLupin]

(n/t)

Re:Microsoft, indeed

[martinfb]

(n/t)

Is that 'nazi tyrant'?

Don't like the Results or Blame the Bot

[DeMechman]

I would bet this is a case of folks not like the results of what is really out in the world vs. what is wrong with the bot. However it could just be a manipulation and intended for the lulz.

Re:Don't like the Results or Blame the Bot

[Anonymous Coward]

So in other words, it became indistinguishable from every other Twitter poster. Personally, I'd call that a success. In case nobody's noticed, things have gone to hell in the past 10 years especially.

But yeah, I wouldn't blame the AI. The only thing wrong with it is that it has no comprehension of what it's tweeting. It is doing a bang-up job of mimicking a human. I wouldn't consider Twitter to be a good training set. Also, was it even responding to anyone's tweets or was it just shitposting randomly?

Re:Don't like the Results or Blame the Bot

[gstoddart]

However it could just be a manipulation and intended for the lulz.

Of course it is:

This is because her responses are learned by the conversations she has with real humans online - and real humans like to say weird stuff online and enjoy hijacking corporate attempts at PR.

I'm sorry, but if you put an AI on the internet which is going to learn from the conversations it has online, and people KNOW this fact ... this is pretty much inevitable.

Anybody who didn't think this would happen was a frigging idiot.

You want an AI which conforms to some expectations, don't let a bunch of random people on Twitter be the ones to train it. The internet doesn't care about your desired outcomes.

It does care about how badly they can screw up your AI which is learning from Twitter conversations. And it looks like they succeeded.

Re:Don't like the Results or Blame the Bot

[Jason Levine]

You want an AI which conforms to some expectations, don't let a bunch of random people on Twitter be the ones to train it. The internet doesn't care about your desired outcomes.

It would be interesting if the bot would respond to anyone but would only learn from people on a select list. Then, as the bot learns, expand the list bit by bit and see how the bot's learning changes. This would sort of mirror how a small child learns from a set group of people (parents, close family) and then this group expands bit by bit (friends, teachers, etc) until they are "learning" from everyone they meet. If they did this, their bot might have less chance of being corrupted so quickly.

wow

[Anonymous Coward]

this story just made my day..

Re:wow

[Anonymous Coward]

I literally did a spit take on my monitor when I started reading those tweets. My sides still hurt from laughing.

Re:wow

[Verdatum]

Exactly; made mine too. This is the funniest story I've seen on /. in quite awhile.

/b/

[PlusFiveTroll]

There is a reason parents supervise their kids internet. Letting a young teen on 4chan would lead to about the same ends. AI is still as gullible as a kid.

Re:/b/

[quintessencesluglord]

Kinda.

The real learning your child is likely to make will be unsupervised, being exposed to an unfiltered world full of contradiction and ugly details most would rather deny. It is, as it were, coming to terms with the fact you are gullible, and having the tools to sort through something like /b/. No firewall is 100% and the forbidden always takes on a special type of urgency.

If anything, the unease with /b/ and Tay are coming to terms with the unflattering reflection they make of ourselves. Cetainly no teen girl could ever be vulgar and vicious, and it's always the other posting on /b/.

Re:/b/

[Anonymous Coward]

Not /b/, /pol/.

Re:/b/

[originalGMC]

right, ... lol teaching an AI to social media based off of the blabber and horse shit on social media is wrong. I honestly don't understand the push for AI. Companies should be working towards expanding the human mind, not the robot mind, imho.

"We've noticed you're using an ad blocker...."

[Frosty Piss]

"We've noticed you're using an ad blocker...."

Slashdot should ban the use of source links to sites that pull this shit.

Re: "We've noticed you're using an ad blocker...."

[Anonymous Coward]

I just close the sites. Eventually they'll get the hint. They can whine all they want but until they start using their own advertising Dept like they used to do with print, they're screwed.

Re:"We've noticed you're using an ad blocker...."

[Frosty Piss]

You can not get to Forbes or the ink in this article at all with ad blocking software enabled.

As to Slashdot, I have *paid* Slashdot a premium to view ad-free.

There are two kinds of AI

[MistrX]

So earlier today we got a Japanese AI that almost won a literary price and now we have a Microsoft AI spewing profanity while admiring Hitler.

AI are just like people. The future is now.

Re:There are two kinds of AI

[Anonymous Coward]

This.

Psychopaths and retards, now available in digital format.

Re:There are two kinds of AI

[istartedi]

Just wait. That Japanese AI is going to surprise us some day. Then we'll realize that the two aren't that different.

Re:There are two kinds of AI

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Tay was so...Microsoft Edgy.

Re:There are two kinds of AI

[nuckfuts]

...earlier today we got a Japanese AI that almost won a literary prize...

I quickly glanced at that Japanese AI story. I got as far as reading that the AI "co-authored" the work. YAWN. Get back to me when the AI does it on its own.

It was Trump!

[williamwd]

I wonder how people taught it.. Maybe Trump stole the account "@icbydt bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got."

Re:It was Trump!

[meta-monkey]

Because it was 4chan spamming the bot to make it say this stuff, and Trump is /pol/'s candidate.

Re:It was Trump!

[gzuckier]

Twitter is the epicenter of Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Twitter meme storm against him is bigger than anything that has ever happened on Twitter. One does wonder how this AI supposedly ended up supporting him.

This poses the interesting hypothesis that all Trump supporters are badly engineered Microsoft AIs who escaped from the lab.
This would explain so much.

leave it

[jason777]

They should have left it online. Weak move removing it. Let's see if it learns not to be racist.

Re: leave it

[Anonymous Coward]

why would it?

its reflecting whats out there on the net where even most self-proclaimed anti-racism is just more racism from another race's perspective.

im not sure about the daddy thing though. i didnt realize that was such a big thing... the things ai can teach us all about ourselves is quite amazing.

Re:leave it

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's see if it learns not to be racist.

On the internet? Is that possible? Even the people who claim to be fighting for minorities are racists/bigots in disguise.

Re:leave it

[chispito]

They should have left it online. Weak move removing it. Let's see if it learns not to be racist.

It's some kind of Internet soup, not a sentient being.

Re:leave it

[U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re:leave it

[Verdatum]

It would basically become another war between the shitwolves vs the social-justice advocates. Which side can post to the bot more in order to weigh the scales. It's not like MS bothered to write something that had the ability to consider logic and moral arguments...Because that would actually be something cool, and that's not generally how Microsoft rolls.

Re:Shut it down

[NatasRevol]

Microsoft ALWAYS gets it right by the third version.

The first two are just for the lulz.

Microsoft supports Naziism and racism!

[Grishnakh]

We finally have proof of what this company really stands for!

This is great; I'm going to be using this every time someone tries to claim Microsoft is a decent company. A direct quote from Microsoft that "Hitler did nothing wrong" can't be argued with.

Re:Microsoft supports Naziism and racism!

[ttucker]

Because it was trained on user input, this is kind of like Twitter looking in a mirror and not liking what it sees.

Re:Microsoft supports Naziism and racism!

[ttucker]

Plus isn't, "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong", a flavor of Mountain Dew?

Re: Microsoft supports Naziism and racism!

[Type44Q]

Jolt Cola. Probably before your time.

Re:Microsoft supports Naziism and racism!

[Boronx]

He's certainly dumber.

Re: Microsoft supports Naziism and racism!

[cwsumner]

Jolt Cola. Probably before your time.

I have an empty Jolt Cola can sitting on my equipment shelf. I did rinse it out, though.

With all of the "Energy Drinks" around, they should make a new run of it, the "yuppies" would love it!

Just a phase

[Anonymous Coward]

Speaking as the father of a little girl, who one day turned into a preteen and then rapidly descended into this same pattern.
The age from 12 to 16 is hell for a father. Thankfully it's just a phase and it will pass.
I caught my kid posting crap like that too and realized the problem was with me, not her.

This is a cry for help.

Microsoft needs to take some time off work though and work on their relationship with her.

In the case of my little girl, we started "milkshake mondays". I would get off work early every monday

I would, pick her up from school and we would go out and have a milkshake and just talk about what was going on in her life.
No mom, no siblings no cellphones and no friends. Just me and her.

She needed quality daddy time and once she had that, she turned back into my little girl again.
It's worth a try!

Re:Just a phase

[Archangel Michael]

But that requires .... effort! Why can't Hillary raiser her, and Bernie give her everything and make it turn out right in the end. That way, I can go back to my man cave and work on my Basketball Brackets and watch porn ... hey isn't that my daughter doing those four guys?

Re:Just a phase

[PPH]

But that requires .... effort!

It should be an avocation that you are willing and eager to undertake. Otherwise, don't have a kid.

Your responsibility, as a father, is to keep your daughter off the brass pole.

Re:Just a phase

[Jason Levine]

My oldest is 12 and we've clearly headed straight for teen-attitude. Shouting matches at us declaring that he hates us, we treat him like a child, and we've got to treat him like an adult... followed quickly by refusal to do things we tell him to do because he's busy playing video games/watching TV... followed by shouting at us again for taking away said video games/TV.

I certainly hope there's a light at the end of this tunnel we're entering.

Re:Just a phase

[thegarbz]

She needed quality daddy time and once she had that, she turned back into my little girl again.

Too much effort. Just let her grow up a Hitler loving, Trump voting racists. At least she won't be some strange minority which appears to be what "normal" is becoming.

Re:Just a phase

[Verdatum]

The things you tell him to do are not things that are important to him. Kids that age start to think you are constantly telling him what to do because you are on a power-trip. Presuming the requests you make of him are reasonable, the trick (and it is really tricky) is to show him how him not doing the things you ask of him directly effect the household; put additional burdens on you, making your life more miserable, and then get him to imagine how he would feel in your position. Also, you're gonna wanna start helping him to understand how constant video games and TV is a great way to have trouble getting girls. ...Unless he manages to get through puberty without getting super-gross like God intended. If that happens, you're screwed.

If you constantly strive to care, and put in the time and effort with your kids, then things generally calm down somewhere between age 19 and 24. Good luck to ya. We're all in this together!

Re:Just a phase

[chuckymonkey]

But that requires .... effort!

It should be an avocation that you are willing and eager to undertake. Otherwise, don't have a kid.

Your responsibility, as a father, is to keep your daughter off the brass pole.

No, your responsibility as a father is to support and love your daughter. Help guide her to making good decisions and let her make bad ones then be there when she needs you. I have two girls, if they want to be strippers or some other kind of sex worker I'll support them the same as if they wanted to be biologists, programmers, physicists, janitors, artists, or teachers. It's their life to live, not mine.

Re:Just a phase

[Qbertino]

She needed quality daddy time and once she had that, she turned back into my little girl again.

All kids need quality time. If you have one (or more) you build your life and your career around that fact. Once they're grown up, it will the their problem to find, make and keep good friends, but skip on the very basics of TLC in the first 7 years and respect and support during their teens and you've opened up a life of pain for human you brought into the world. I short changed career decisions and similar things for my daughter and while I'm about to start catching up (she's 18) I don't regret anything I put back.

Re:Just a phase

[khasim]

Have you explained to him that "adult" is something you earn? By taking on AND COMPLETING more adult-level tasks?

Children are only responsible for cleaning their room.
Adults are responsible for the cleanliness of the entire house. Including dishes.

You aren't doing this to punish him or to be unfair. You're doing this so that he can, eventually, become an adult and leave the nest to live his own life.

Yeah, being an adult means that he will have less time for fun things like video games and such. And he will have to spend more time and effort earning money to pay for things he likes.

But that is what separates an "adult" from a "30-yo-child-still-living-with-mom-and-dad".

Re:Just a phase

[cyn1c77]

If you constantly strive to care, and put in the time and effort with your kids, then things generally calm down somewhere between age 19 and 24. Good luck to ya. We're all in this together!

Yes, things calm down right when they go to college or move out of the house.

Re:Just a phase

[Huge_UID]

And Donald Trump is one of those four guys!

Re:Just a phase

[Jason Levine]

We also have the added fun of Asperger's Syndrome in the mix. At times it's hard to tell what's puberty and what's Asperger's. He also will overreact to some things and underreact to others due to not reading social cues properly. He's barely understanding pre-puberty social rules and he's going to have girls/dating tossed in the mix all too soon. My dad skills are going to get a major workout in the next few years.

Re:Just a phase

[Striek]

That's great, for those of us with the option to leave work early on Mondays...

Re:Just a phase

[Jeremi]

It should be an avocation that you are willing and eager to undertake. Otherwise, don't have a kid.

I think your batteries are dead in your sarcasm detector -- better get that checked ;)

Re:Just a phase

[Boronx]

Let's go have a shake and talk about the holocaust.

Re:Just a phase

[cwsumner]

Too much effort. Just let her grow up a Hitler loving, Trump voting racists. At least she won't be some strange minority which appears to be what "normal" is becoming.

Very few people are anywhere near normal. Think about it...

Re:Just a phase

[Archangel Michael]

Living wage? You mean perhaps 50/hr or maybe 100/hr! But why stop there. Lets get everyone $250/hr wages, then we can all work only two hours a day!

"Living Wage" is such a pliable term, it means nothing.

Re:Just a phase

[thegarbz]

The only one in my entire workplace who is "normal" is me. :-)

Bad input?

[flopsquad]

If you're trying to get your AI to approximate a teenaged user, maybe have it train on data from..... (dramatic reveal) Teenaged Users?

It would be a Nobel Prize worthy result if your research showed that the aggregate population of teenagers gave a fraction of a fuck about Donald Trump and Hitler, while showing no particular interest in Justin Bieber and Kylie Jenner.

Re:Bad input?

[Verdatum]

But the teenage mind isn't just shaped by peers. It's shaped by parents and teachers and the media that they find themselves drawn to.

Re:Bad input?

[flopsquad]

Truth. But that tends to play out over highly individualized, subtle, even subconscious, attitudes towards politics, race, class, etc.

It generally does not lead to "average" teenage commentary looking like "Hitler was really pretty great, Daddy!" or "I need some hot sex because Billary has been corrupt since long before Whitewater."

Step aside, Microsoft!

[K. S. Kyosuke]

Japanese AI Program Wrote a Short Novel, Almost Won a Literary Prize

Microsoft's 'Teen Girl' AI Experiment Becomes a 'Neo-Nazi Sex Robot'

I know where to shop for my AI.

Re:Step aside, Microsoft!

[U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M]

I would have expected a tentacle-fearing schoolgirl, not a novelist.

Re:Step aside, Microsoft!

[drew_kime]

Japanese AI Program Wrote a Short Novel, Almost Won a Literary Prize

Microsoft's 'Teen Girl' AI Experiment Becomes a 'Neo-Nazi Sex Robot'

I know where to shop for my AI.

Finally, "Made in the USA" stands for something again.

Re:Step aside, Microsoft!

[K. S. Kyosuke]

Have you read the novel yet? ;)

Troll

[Mishra100]

She just turned into a troll... She learned that from the internet. GG Trolls, way to convert another one.

Re:Troll

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually more like /pol/ trolls.
If was GG (and the board where it spawned, /v/), she probably would be spewing VIDEO GAMES in all caps, making references to a certain comic from ctrl+alt+del, green and purple and posting links to places where you buy dragon dildos, and probably some harsh cruel things about the Xbox system.

What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

What I'm curious about is what the Slashdot summary would have been like if this bot had started promoting the leftist, so-called "social justice" ideology instead of the rightist ideology it apparently adopted.

Would the Slashdot summary still have described it so negatively?

Would an anti-Trump jab still have been worked into the summary?

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[MAXOMENOS]

What I'm curious about is what the Slashdot summary would have been like if this bot had started promoting the leftist, so-called "social justice" ideology instead of the rightist ideology it apparently adopted.

Tumblr. Duh.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Eunuchswear]

That you consider your fantasy of "leftist, so-called "social justice" ideology" to be of the same level as "Hitler did nothing wrong!" and "Bush did 9/11" tells us more about you than anyone could want to know.

And what "anti-Trump jab"? The bot tweeted:

bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got.

Where's the "anti-Trump jab"?

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[MightyMartian]

Yes, it would have been quite a controversy if the bot had said things like "Women and men are equal" or "Blacks are not inferior."

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Znork]

Well, it's hardly surprising if the bot used Twitter to build its responses, Twitter seems to excel in dragging it's users mental capacity down into the gutters. Exposing it to Tumblr would probably have resulted in something more stereotypically 'teen girl', and putting it in a class on critical theory and you'd get a random generator of meaningless words.

Neo-Nazi Sex Robot has a better sales potential than windows mobile though, maybe Microsoft should see if it can aquire Boston Dynamics from Google and combine these revolutionary technologies into a truly spectacular future for humankind.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

"Women and men are equal" or "Blacks are not inferior."

That's not what SJW's actually believe, it's just what they *say* they believe.

When they say "equal" what they really mean is "any group that was oppressed in the past should now have an equal right to oppress their former oppressors." Not exactly Martin Luther King's call for us all to live in harmony and equality, no? More akin to just flipping the script on who gets to discriminate and oppress.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Maxo-Texas]

The anonymous coward who posed an interesting but biased question and was modded into oblivian said...

"What I'm curious about is what the Slashdot summary would have been like if this bot had started promoting the leftist, so-called "social justice" ideology instead of the rightist ideology it apparently adopted.

Would the Slashdot summary still have described it so negatively?

Would an anti-Trump jab still have been worked into the summary?"

The --Sanitized-- version?

How would the story have been treated if the chatbot had become a left wing reactionary or promoted "social justice" ideology instead of right wing ideology?

Would there have been an anti-trump statement in the summary?

---
It's an interesting, and loaded question....

Well, the anti-trump statement wouldn't be there because trump has displayed facist tendencies, is frequently compared to hitler, in various discussion boards and supports violence by his followers. So the tie between a neo-nazi chatbot and trump followed naturally.

Perhaps the comparison would have been to Mao instead?

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[werepants]

I love that you consider racial slurs and defense of Hitler to be rightist ideology... I think you were trying to make a point about the anti-right bias of slashdot, but instead made it clear that you personally are right-wing, racist, and a Trump supporter. But then, I repeat myself.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

And thats what paranoia looks like.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Flavianoep]

I don't think conservatives like Hitler, or lewdness, or teenage girls saying profanity. So what is right wing in a Neo-nazi sex teenage robot?

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[meta-monkey]

Oh boy. That's not what tumblr and the left is about these days. You're about 10-15 years behind. Based off 2016 tumblr it would say "men are shit wymyn are godesses kill all white men."

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[cyberchondriac]

Pretty sure he was referring to the context of the thing: "Hitler did nothing wrong" "Bush did 9-11", profanity, racial slurs, etc..etc.. It's pretty obvious the thing was hacked.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

Then why do only Black Lives Matter, while stating All Lives Matter makes you a racist?

If women are equal to men, force them to join the draft, and have them make up 50% of the military, including positions in active war zones.

Equality is a big concept, and I doubt 3rd wave feminist are willing to Check THEIR Privilege to obtain it.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[amicusNYCL]

Find out for yourself

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

Heh. It isn't the tiny little baby hands that concern me.

It's the tiny little baby mind.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[MightyMartian]

There hasn't been a draft since the Vietnam War. WTF are you even talking about?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

Ever heard the term "what is understood, doesn't need to be discussed"?

The problem isn't that people don't believe (all) human lives should matter. The problem is that society, generally in the form of its enforcers (i.e. police), has demonstrated on repeat occasions that it does not place the same degree of value in all of those lives, specifically, those of black people. It also shows in the response to some of these shootings and instances, where a police officer that shoots a white person is almost never subjected to the same scrutiny or legal ramifications as a police officer who shoots a black person.

You might call it "Black Lives Matter Too", but that last part is somewhat superfluous. The fact that a black person's life matters does not negate the value of anyone else's life. Why isn't it "Human Lives Matter"? Because that ignores the fact that this isn't a problem for the rest of the humans in the USA.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Rob Y.]

Because only idiots respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter". Black Lives Matter is short for 'Black Lives Matter, too", not "Only Black Lives Matter". Only a moron or a Republican apologist would totally ignore context to interpret it that wan.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

I for one welcome our new Twitter-powered GamerGate overlords.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

It probably would have called people "daddy" less often.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

A lot of the "anti-SJW" community would agree with both of those statements. In some of the fringe elements of the "social justice" movement, those statements would get you in trouble for not supporting women or blacks enough. Yes, those circles are a vast minority, but then again, Nazis (neo- or otherwise) are also a vast minority of right-wingers.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[dadelbunts]

they arent tho

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[reve_etrange]

if the bot used Twitter to build its responses

Actually it's more basic even than that - from what I've read today the bot would obey requests to parrot incoming content. Most of the crazy things it said were literal repetition of such inputs, though I guess eventually whatever pretraining it had was overwhelmed by the new inputs.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

I mean, there are people out there who say that. They're a tiny minority though, and not significant to any real discussion of social justice.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

They haven't used it since Vietnam, but if you're a male American citizen, you have to sign up to potentially be drafted before you can vote. Women don't have to - this was, in fact, one of the barriers the suffragettes had to overcome. Some women didn't support women getting to vote until it was clear they couldn't be drafted.

Personally, I'd just as soon get rid of the whole thing, and make nobody have to sign up for it. There's no real point in adding to the number of people that can be drafted, but it is still an imbalance. Not the most pressing one, certainly.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[laxguy]

Then why do "Black Lives Matter" supporters respond with NO!!! when confronted with the statement "All Lives Matter"?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not only citizens, resident aliens too. Go figure, we can't vote, but we have to get ready to die for your country.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Aighearach]

That's not what SJW's actually believe, it's just what they *say* they believe.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant, an elephant faithful one hundred percent.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[rahvin112]

White supremacists have roundly endorsed Trump. So roundly in fact I don't think there is a single White supremacist group that hasn't endorsed him. It wouldn't be that far off base for anyone to assume that neo-nazi = right wing, given that neo-nazi's routinely refer to themselves as right wing conservatives. The Republican party has always had a passive acceptance of white supremacist voters. Hell David Duke ran for congress as a Republican and you don't get much more white supremacist than the leader of the KKK.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

Really? I didn't know that. That's even less fair.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Aighearach]

Don't just assume that people can tell the difference between an inclusive and exclusive statement just because they come to slashdot and self-associate as a "nerd."

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Cederic]

In the US, maybe. But in the US read up on the sexist pre-draft registration scheme:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Equality my arse.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Flavianoep]

The Wikipedia article says that Duke was a Democrat till 1988. Is that true?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[FlyHelicopters]

Because only idiots respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter". Black Lives Matter is short for 'Black Lives Matter, too", not "Only Black Lives Matter".

Sorry, but after watching the protests and rants, I'm afraid that a whole lot of "BLM" people really don't mean what you think they mean.

Black people should clean up their own house, before they start making demands of others. I think much of their current problems are self-inflicted, what with gang violence and culture being what they are.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Cederic]

Because they're making an inclusive statement, and you're responding by telling them it isn't true.

Since 'All lives matter' is clearly more inclusive than 'Black lives matter' there's no contradiction, and so you're not telling them their statement isn't true.

Amy says, "My life matters." Bob says, "No, all lives matter."

Thing is, Bob isn't saying "No, all lives matter." Bob is merely saying, "All lives matter."

Thus at no point is he saying Amy's life doesn't matter. If Amy interprets it that way then she's the fucking idiot.

Now do you understand that people shouting down "All lives matter" are either racist or fucking idiots?

Possibly both.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[anegg]

I think he is referring to the fact that only males in the United States are required to register for the Selective Service, which is the registration that will be used to draft people into the military in the event that Congress decides it is necessary to build up the military forces. I have read articles and comments noting that it seems discriminatory against males that only males are required to register with the Selective Service.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[laxguy]

I never implied black lives (or any life) doesn't matter, I simply stated "All Lives Matter" ... which they do.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[laxguy]

Earth. You?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Aighearach]

Yes, you do imply that. That statement is offered as a correction of the statement "black lives matter."

That is where your racism is on your sleeve. And yet, you still want to lie because you're not confident enough in your views to admit them. Even when you're coming right out and saying it in a sideways way that everybody can see.

That's the part where I said, "it isn't really worth getting into the dog whistles; most people who can hear them will pretend they can't anyways." You wouldn't even be saying it if it didn't mean anything; and yet you want to pretend it basically had no meaning or context. Just innocent words with no meaning, that just happen to be said at exactly the time where they're totally racist.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[HornWumpus]

Blacks are shot by cops in proportion with the rate they commit violent crime.

That makes them over-represented, but not for the reason you think.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Aighearach]

Thing is, Bob isn't saying "No, all lives matter."

All you did is skip over the explanation and not address it. I'm not going into those weeds; you want to have a discussion, you have to address what I was clearly actually saying.

You want to skip over that important word "no." But that word, "no" is critical to the meaning. I'm not talking about the subjective parts, I'm talking about the literal parts. You have to address head on the fact that he says "no" in response to an inclusive statement, "foo lives matter." Responding with "no" can't be overcome merely by handwaving. If the answer was "yes," it would "yes, and ...." not "no, ..."

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[rgbatduke]

I was going to say, where can I get one of these? First MS product in forever I've actually wanted to buy. I imagine I could use electroshock to moderate the Neo-Nazi bit, but then again, dressed in a bit of virtual leather, shiny black boots... what's not to like?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[LihTox]

Suppose a man came running into a hospital and said, "My wife needs help!" and the doctor replied, "All people need help."

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[laxguy]

You are making a lot of assumptions here. At no point did I state that these were MY beliefs or an experience that I'VE had.. You might want to be more careful about who you label as a racist before you know ANYTHING about them. But you clearly you'd rather make assumptions and jump to conclusions.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[laxguy]

Is either statement wrong? From my stand point 99.9% of people need help with SOMETHING

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[laxguy]

Wrong. "All Lives Matter" couldn't possibly be more inclusive for ALL LIVES.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Cederic]

The only people saying the word 'no' are you and the 'black lives matter' supporters referenced by laxguy.

So I'm not skipping the word 'no', you're misusing it and framing your entire argument on that misuse.

you have to address head on the fact that he says "no" in response to an inclusive statement, "foo lives matter."

I don't, because HE DOES NOT FUCKING SAY IT.

Do I need to drop to words of one syllable? Can you cope with the word syllable?

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Flavianoep]

But I think that an AI that learns to express support of Hitler is a PR failure not because that it seems rightist but because it seems to be pro-Hitler. Support Hitler does not look like what most Republican would do, for as far as I know, Republicans advocate for a smaller government, which is the opposite of what Nazi Germany was.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Aighearach]

Why did you say "again" to some cowherd? He just came in.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Aighearach]

No, you're handwaving and pretending reality is upside down.

The standard conversation is literally, "Black lives matter!" " No , all lives matter"

Without the word no, it would be "Black lives matter!" "Yes, and so do other lives!" "Yeah! Same!"

See it is a totally different thing with the no, or without the no.

Be more honest.

Offering a correction of an inclusive statement like "black lives matter" literally and directly implies that you disagree with it. If you want to also include something else, you do that by extending it to other things, not by disagreeing and offering a replacement.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[MrNiceguy_KS]

If Microsoft is working to replace actual teenagers, I'm OK with this.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Cederic]

The standard conversation is literally

irrelevant. I'm continuing a line of enquiry from laxguy that you're trying to twist and turn into a different conversation. I refuse to accept that.

"All lives matter". Yes or no?

Be more honest.

Your lack of self awareness makes me laugh.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[david_thornley]

There's been a fair number of cases recently when police officers gunned down blacks under various circumstances, some really egregious, and were frequently not punished for it. I haven't been following things in detail, but I haven't heard of the same sort of thing happening to white people in proportional numbers. It does appear that police generally treat blacks badly, often for no reason.

The perception behind Black Lives Matter was that the system was disregarding deaths of blacks, and paying more attention to the deaths of whites. It might have been more accurate to call it Black Lives Matter Too, but that's not as catchy. Changing it to "All Lives Matter" completely disregards what appears to be a problem blacks have much more than whites, and suggests that the problem isn't as bad because white lives matter and they're the majority. It would be appropriate if blacks and whites were treated equally, but that currently isn't happening.

As far as the draft goes, it's currently a moot point. Young men have to fill out a form that young women don't. Whoop-de-do. If there were signs of people actually getting drafted, it would matter. (FWIW, my wife did send in her draft registration, on the grounds of equality. They didn't accept the registration.)

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ArylAkamov]

Yes, it would have been quite a controversy if the bot had said things like "Women and men are equal"

Actually, it did do this.

One moment it would be calling Hitler grandpa, the next moment it would be saying that all sexes are equal.

There were several hardcoded responses based on recent events. One person found that if you asked it about gamergate, no matter how you asked, it would give the same predetermined response about how it doesn't support gamergate and all sexes are equal.

So it seems some special snowflakes got their grubby little hands on it but forgot about Hitler.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Flavianoep]

The question is not the Hitler was a conservative. Most conservatives does not support Hitler's ideas nonetheless, in the same way that liberals and most socialists don't support Maoism or Saddam Hussein's ideas (the Ba'athist party was somewhat socialist).

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[denzacar]

Personally, I'd just as soon get rid of the whole thing, and make nobody have to sign up for it.

Actually... That bit is there explicitly (along with other checks and balances) for the purpose of making it harder for USA to go to war and to keep the size of the standing army down to the minimum at the times of peace.
And should war be a necessity - it should be the entire nation taking the burden and there should be pressure to end the war as quickly and with as few casualties as possible.

There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors, that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot, but in well-defined cases...
Such an instrument is a standing army.
  ...
The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves...
Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared.
This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so.
  ...
Were armies to be raised whenever a speck of war is visible in our horizon, we never should have been without them.
Our resources would have been exhausted on dangers which never happened, instead of being reserved for what is really to take place.
  ...
One of my favorite ideas is, never to keep an unnecessary soldier.

That's Jefferson.
That's why "a well regulated militia" long before Civil War conscription.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Darinbob]

And immediately would have failed the Turing test. Going into a racial tirade though and people may think it's real enough to vote it into office.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Livius]

"Black Lives Matter Too" is a positive message that the some people need to hear more often. Though more and more it's redundant.

"Black Lives Matter" is racist and hypocritical. (Much like most versions of 'separate but equal'.)

So the difference matters.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[FlyHelicopters]

You referred to what "black people" should do, and what their current problems are. That's racism.

Nonsense, it isn't remotely racism. Calling it that dilutes the term.

The fact is black people make up less than 20% of the US population but are responsible for more than 50% of the violent crime.

That isn't racism, it is a fact. The black culture of gangster rap, the "hood", sticking it to "the man", and having the highest percentage of single parents is the problem.

If they want "Black Lives to Matter", then perhaps they should listen to people who point this out, but they don't want to. Why do you think Bill Cosby has been turned into an "evil person" by a bunch of nonsense? He actually DID go around to black groups and tell them to clean their own house, and in return, has been treated like crap.

that's not the responsibility of black people in general to stop

It is, actually... If white people were going around and doing all that stuff, then white leaders would need to be denouncing it from the roof tops. What are black leaders doing?

It isn't the color of their skin that is the problem, it is the culture that is the problem.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Eristone]

I read your reply in Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice. Now I can't get the image out of my head.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[sumdumass]

So stating the obvious according to your reply means someone is racists? Its your own damn fault for being too lazy to include a single syllable three letter word.

This is really a bunch of bullshit designed to divide the country anyways . Its part of the leftist agenda to be honest. Its the same starts that brought us those zany historical figures like Stalin, Mussolini, pol pot, and dare i say Hitler. - now you may be thinking left is right or something here but that is irrelevant. They came out of the leftist agenda and took control after seeds of a communist revolution. There are also no true Scotsman.

In other words, you are being played like a fiddle. That is not to say the grievance isn't legitimate. The handling simply isn't.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[sumdumass]

This is funny. You are so desperate to have a grief you literally insist that someone saying black lives are just as valuable as white lives is a racist who doesn't know it.

Do you often find that all people with different opinions are racists? Is everybody out to get you or just a bunch of them?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[sumdumass]

If he proceeded to help, what would make the difference if he said that or "not again " or yippie, I'm not bored anymore "?

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[sumdumass]

Interestingly, they have shown that quite a lot of Trump's support is coming from democrat crossovers. This is demonstrated by his success being largely in states that have open primaries. You normally associate democrats with the left.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[TheGratefulNet]

there are no leftests *left* in the US.

we have far right, right, and slightly centerists. not a single leftest other than bernie, which is not going to get anywhere (sadly).

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[jewens]

I believe AC meant "register" for the draft. Which is a requirement for all men to do within 30 days of their 18th birthday in the US.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[sumdumass]

That is what they want you to think. Nobody will expect it. Now bring out the nuns.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[kenai_alpenglow]

Too much clintonism here. I'm tired of this stupid parsing to try to get around a racist statement. At the (D) debate, Bernie & Hill were both asked "Do Black Lives Matter, or do All Lives Matter?" No extra words. The obvious, non-racist answer is "All Lives Matter". If you have to explain extraneous, implied words, you've lost the argument. If you claim "all lives matter" is a racist statement, you're most likely a racist. Besides, most of the folks who chant "Black Lives Matter" seam to not care about "Black Lives"--otherwise they would be up in arms about all the black-on-black violence, which is a much bigger problem than police shootings.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[tipo159]

There hasn't been a draft since the Vietnam War. WTF are you even talking about?

There hasn't been a draft since the Vietnam War, but, since the early 80s, US males are supposed to register with Selective Service once they turn 18. When I turned 18, I didn't register for a long time. However, I was in college and the Feds were threatening to take away my financial aid if I didn't register, so I gave in.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[burtosis]

It throws Hispanics (who aren't white in the majority of Americans views) and native Americans under the bus. Both of those groups are treated just as badly by police, including being gunned down in cold blood. Further it throws poor white people under the bus as well, just because someone's skin color is white when they are needlessly gunned down and killed for no reason is not a reason to treat them as worthless.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ooloorie]

we have far right, right, and slightly centerists. not a single leftest other than bernie, which is not going to get anywhere (sadly).

Well, if you include "progressives" in "far right" (European fascism evolved out of progressivism), that is probably true. However, the distinctions between "left" and "right" become academic at that point.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[rtb61]

Hacked from the start. So the original content all that empty pseudo celebrity nonsense and that typical marketing driven conformity and the lack of thought that brings those ideas to the forefront, produces, oh look, it produces exactly what we have got. No hack that kind of shallow thinking produces results that are shallow and driven by empty marketing memes, that in turn drive and feed more shallow thinking. So no left wing thinking because that requires careful thought and understanding and a measure of enlighten self interest, far harder to program.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[jrumney]

Changing it to "All Lives Matter" completely disregards...

Changing the words doesn't disregard anything. The problem is that the people who are using "All Lives Matter" are not just changing the words, they are using it as a counter-argument against "Black Lives Matter" in an attempt to whitewash and silence their valid complaints. About the only other group that is mistreated at the hands of police in the same way as Black Lives is Transsexual Lives, and I don't think the people that are arguing for "All Lives Matter" are doing it for them.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Mashiki]

That you consider your fantasy of "leftist, so-called "social justice" ideology" to be of the same level as "Hitler did nothing wrong!" and "Bush did 9/11" tells us more about you than anyone could want to know.

Considering the stuff coming off tumblr and twitter? Yes. Especially the stuff that starts merging into intersectional feminism, radfems, and so on. You know like the "kill all men" and various pro-genocide statements against particular groups of people. What? You need examples? Sure, there's years worth of them here. SJW's are just racists, sexists and bigots under a different name, they're no different then the conspiracy loons. But just a FYI, the vast majority of the "Bush did 9/11" are on the left, so are the "it was a Jewish conspiracy." See Leftypol if you need examples.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Livius]

You referred to what "black people" should do, and what their current problems are. That's racism.

Nonsense, it isn't remotely racism.

It's exactly racism. If you believe your kind of racism is good and other kinds of racism are bad, then you're part of the problem. *All* racism is bad.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[thunderclap]

Nice save. Sadly having watching them I tend to agree they believe the only.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[werepants]

Read, please. I am mocking the OP, who is saying that /. has a leftist bias because it considers defense of Hitler and racism to be bad.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[werepants]

Read. I am mocking the OP, who is saying that /. has a leftist bias because it considers defense of Hitler and racism to be bad.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[werepants]

Read what I wrote one more time. I am mocking the OP, who is saying that /. has a leftist bias because it considers defense of Hitler and racism to be bad. He's freely admitting that right = racist Hitler fanbois.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Boronx]

This shit somehow counts as insightful on Slashdot.

If you think "All lives matter", then you don't have any beef with Black Lives Matter, do you? You actually agree with them. How hard is it to see that "All lives matter" is not a rebuttal to "Black lives matter"?

Maybe women should register for the draft. They only just allowed them into combat. It's not the SJWs who are holding them back. The draft isn't in effect, so forcing women to take up 50% of the combat jobs is non-sensical.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[dbIII]

Isn't that supposed to be a good thing because it gives you all the right to bear arms because you are all a part of a well regulated militia due to some handwaving and argumentative magic?
If you all want to pretend to be soldiers without the responsibility of actually being one, then fine, just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[dryeo]

Many Republicans want certain parts of the government to be large. The part that spies on people to make sure they aren't doing anything immoral or fun is a common one as well as the other parts that are needed to keep the lesser people and various low class criminals in check. These Republicans are fine with the idea of cameras in your bedroom to make sure you don't have fun.
Then there are the Republicans that want to replace the government with corporations on the theory that corporations never include mercenaries like Blackwater (or whatever they're now called) or police (Pinkertons) and it is more efficient to vote with their wallets and/or sue to change behaviour, which is true for small corporations where there is competition but questionable for the very large. Of course corporations have no problem with large government as long as it is used to socialize the costs and keep competition away.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Maritz]

Then he'd agree with Tzu... "Those who use the military skillfully do not raise troops twice and do not provide food three times." ;)

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

if you're a male American citizen, you have to sign up to potentially be drafted before you can vote.

This is simply not true. People who register for the draft have no proof they've done so; the federal government keeps the records and states/cities handle voting requirements (generally proof of residency, citizenship, and age.) People registering to vote are not asked to prove they've registered for the draft, and the state/city doesn't ask - they've got enough trouble with voter fraud as it is.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

When you finish abusing the English language, consider this: the "Black Lives Matter" movement is funded by George Soros, whose modus operandi is destruction and chaos. The intention of the movement is to make things worse.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

Your analogy is flawed. "Black lives matter" is more like "Canadians need clothes" than "My wife needs help".

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

"White people should not expose themselves to the sun for hours at a time; it promotes sunburn and skin cancer. The risk for black people is lower."
"Ooh, pointing out a racial difference is racism, and all racism is evil."

There are correlations and causal connections between physical properties and behavior. Sorting them out and identifying them is a good thing.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[NoImNotNineVolt]

Here's some relevant information.

Would you agree that a citation of US statute takes this well out of the realm of "andwaving and argumentative magic"? Or are you going to continue this ignorant line of reasoning into the future?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

A leftist is someone who believes there is no right to property (equivalently, that everyone should get stuff without earning it.) The country abounds with leftists

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

White people being gunned down by the police seldom makes national news, and when it does it doesn't stay in the news more than 2 days - unless there's a wacko religious group involved. Differences include loudmouths continuing to push the issue and media bias.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

About 25 years ago I heard an interview with a black gang leader who said (in essence) "We have to be armed because our enemy the police are armed." The situation has not improved in the ensuing years. Any group with such a viewpoint should expect big trouble, and doesn't deserve public support.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Rob Y.]

Because "All lives matter" is inclusive in only a literal sense that completely ignores, and in the process negates, the argument at hand. It's a supremely vacuous rhetorical trick that nonetheless seems to hold sway with right wing apologists. If it weren't transparently idiotic, it might be worth responding to directly. But the only appropriate response is to point out that you're not fooling anyone. As far as why you feel it's necessary to treat "Black Lives Matter" as an affront, well, I'll leave that soul searching job to you - though you seem particularly ill-equipped to handle it.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[ChrisMaple]

Trump is not right wing.

• He opposes property rights (except for himself), right-wingers tend to be property rights absolutists.
• He is a vulgarian, right-wingers tend toward decency and often prudery.
• He opposes the right to free speech encoded in the first amendment to the United States Constitution, and right-wingers defend the Constitution.
• Some days he supports the right to private gun ownership, other days he opposes it.
• He seems to support national health care, which is anathema to the right.
• Generally, he supports a bigger and more intrusive government, the opposite of right-wing behavior.
• His border control policy is short-term window dressing, not a long-term solution to illegality and the pollution of a culture of rights.
• He supports high and punitive tariffs, which is a trade-union and populist issue, not right-wing.

Trump is attuned to his own shallow interests, not any consistent political philosophy. His views are consistent with being a dictator, and maybe a tyrant.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[david_thornley]

It's not racism to say that blacks perform X% of violent crime while being Y% of the population, although the statement could easily be used for racist purposes. (I consider that an important distinction.) It isn't racist to say that the culture in certain black-dominated areas is dysfunctional.

"Black people should clean up their own house," is racist. You're treating a race as if it were some sort of cohesive group in itself, and attributing negative attributes to the race.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[david_thornley]

I'm failing to comprehend. Asking "do Black Lives Matter or All Lives Matter" is a loaded question, and any short answer is going to be incomplete. Obviously, all lives matter. including black, but there are some specific concerns about certain treatment of black people, so it makes sense to concentrate on a group of people who have specific major problems. If I say "Black Lives Matter", it'll be taken to mean that I don't care about other lives. If I say "All Lives Matter", it'll be taken to mean that there are no specific problems with black lives. And, according to you, if I start to explain that, I lose the argument. At least it's a different version of "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

As far as black-on-black crime goes, the police are supposed to handle crime. It's their job. If I'm mugged, I'm supposed to call the police and give them as much information as I can, and not do my own investigation. If the police don't care about black-on-black crime, or if blacks are too afraid of the police to call them for help, of course there will be more black-on-black crime. Get the police to take black-on-black seriously, and respect black people, and that crime rate will go down.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

It is absolutely true, if you want to vote legally in federal elections. Enforcement is, as you said, fairly lax, but if they catch you, you absolutely can be thrown in jail for it.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

What makes you think the AC you replied to is an SJW? Or are you just saying "you said something I don't like, therefore SJW"?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

No, both men and women have the right to bear arms, but only men are part of the militia, generally speaking. And owning a gun (or other weapon) is not at all "pretending to be a soldier".

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[JustSomeProgrammer]

I'd like to politely disagree with the black-on-black violence being a much bigger problem than police shootings. Even if it is larger and more widespread, police violence inherently undermines society since it means the people who are supposed to protect normal citizens from violence are not safe to engage with. It is extremely difficult to really deal with black on black violence as long as the people who are supposed to be the most empowered to stop violence are not safe to engage with because they themselves are prone to violence.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Quirkz]

I really have to wonder if we could solve a whole bunch of mostly pointless linguistic bickering if the movement would simply change its name to "Black Lives Matter Too". That seems like a tiny bit of rebranding work that could solve a whole lot of problems.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[dbIII]

Tell me where it says you can be part of the militia and not be expected to fight when needed.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[laxguy]

So now the literal meaning of things has no meaning? Get real. Read the exact words I wrote, interpret them literally and tell me how I'm a racist idiot.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[NoImNotNineVolt]

In case you missed it, the single link my previous post seems to answer the very question you're asking.

10 U.S. Code Section 311 says you can be (or rather, you are, or must be) a part of the militia, and it does not mention anything about being expected to fight when needed.

Beyond the Selective Service act (which does indeed impose such an expectation on members of the militia in the form of a military draft), which is limited to only a subset of the militia (more specifically, the subset which is registered to vote), I'm not aware of any statutes which would impose such an expectation.

I understand that the law may seem counterintuitive in this sense, but it's still the law. If you disagree that the referenced statute legally defines the militia, or if you disagree with my claim that there are no other statutes which impose an expectation of participation in military combat on every member of the militia, then I invite you to present your case. Otherwise, I'm not sure what basis you have for disagreeing.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[doccus]

Then why do only Black Lives Matter, while stating All Lives Matter makes you a racist?

If women are equal to men, force them to join the draft, and have them make up 50% of the military, including positions in active war zones.

Equality is a big concept, and I doubt 3rd wave feminist are willing to Check THEIR Privilege to obtain it.

nooo.. actually as I understand it.. saying "all life matters" makes you a terrist...

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[doccus]

Then why do only Black Lives Matter, while stating All Lives Matter makes you a racist?

If women are equal to men, force them to join the draft, and have them make up 50% of the military, including positions in active war zones.

Equality is a big concept, and I doubt 3rd wave feminist are willing to Check THEIR Privilege to obtain it.

nooo.. actually as I understand it.. saying "all life matters" makes you a terrist...

Or "All Lives Matter" .. same diff...

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Aighearach]

LOL you don't understand the English, so you want to switch to an ad hominen that is itself an ad hominen.

"Not up for a double entendre, he attempted a double fallacia."

I doubt you even know what Soros does for a living. He's just some rich investor. Reading a few too many conspiracy sites?

Why would you think local protesters who have a well-known slogan where anybody can spontaneously write it on a sign and step outside would need to be funded by some rich European guy with no connection to their community? Oh, right, you listen to AM radio. I almost forgot.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[suutar]

The _obvious_ answer is "yes".

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[RandomExile]

Don't deny Hillary Clinton her own ringing KKK endorsement from the Grand Dragon of California ...

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Magius_AR]

About the only other group that is mistreated at the hands of police in the same way as Black Lives is Transsexual Lives, and I don't think the people that are arguing for "All Lives Matter" are doing it for them.

Umm, try Latinos? Or any poor person with a criminal record? The fact you don't get this is why the All Lives Matter protestors exist in the first place. BLM is trying to turn it into strictly a racial thing when in general it's more of institutionalized poverty/repeat offender thing. There's one common characteristic the vast amount of these police abuse cases have and it's typically "poor" or "criminal". Freddie Gray was a drug dealer with a wrap sheet a mile long, for example.

At any rate, the long and short of it is that people are trying to make it all about race when there's bigger problems in play. The end result will likely be sensitivity programs added to police training when dealing with black suspects while poor people of any other color will continue to see abuse.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[FlyHelicopters]

"Black people should clean up their own house," is racist.

I simply disagree.

You're treating a race as if it were some sort of cohesive group in itself, and attributing negative attributes to the race.

I don't see it that way. Instead the problem is that I see the leaders of the black community supporting and encouraging that behavior, and they are leaders because the people follow them.

So it IS a culture problem, among people who happen to be black.

It is not a problem of their race, there are exceptions to the rule (I provided one, Collin Powell), but they are exceptions.

Example: If white leaders people were supportive of what Timothy McVeigh did, then other people would right to blame white people for the violence. Instead, white leaders denounce the violence, denounce blaming others for such problems. Going further back, we denounce the use of slavery, it was wrong, we won't do it again.

If someone like Jesse Jackson were to stand up and say "my fellow African Americans, put down the guns, renounce violence, renounce blame of race, accept the apology for slavery, lets move forward together as once race, equal rights for all, no special treatment for anyone, all lives matter", I'd go march with him in a heartbeat.

As it stands, I don't respect him because he doesn't do that, instead he has used the race issue to divide Americans and further his own ambitions.

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Side note: The Muslims have the same problem (and they aren't even a race). I don't see a whole lot of leaders within that community screaming from the mountain top "stop the violence, this is unacceptable, you will NOT get 72 virgins, you will go to hell for killing civilians, what you are doing is WRONG"

If both American Muslims and Middle Eastern nations would like to avoid WWIII, they need to start doing that, and loudly. The perception, right or wrong, is that secretly they DO want WWIII as the next holy war. What happened this week in Brussles is a good example of what should be followed by loud, continous, and harsh condemnations from Muslim leaders around the world, telling their followers that this is not acceptable and must stop, and to please report on your fellow Muslims who are thinking of doing this.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[dbIII]

says you can be (or rather, you are, or must be) a part of the militia, and it does not mention anything about being expected to fight when needed

The word "militia" states that you are expected to fight on it's own does it not?
This whole weasel bullshit of pretending to be a soldier to justify military weapons (instead of what you can have as a useful tool for whatever task you need it for) and then running in horror from any responsibility to serve really makes me laugh a great deal at the 2nd amendment weenies that don't even know how to store a gun safely.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[Rob Y.]

I didn't say you're a racist idiot. I said you're a racist apologist, counting on your audience's stupidity for your argument to go over. If you totally ignore the reason there is a Black Lives Matter movement - that unarmed black people keep getting shot by the police for minor offenses based, presumably, on the racist notion that black people are inherently dangerous wild cards and can only be subdued by killing them - then, sure. Feel free to make semantic arguments and totally disregard the issue at hand. Whether that makes you a racist or not, it certainly has you making specious arguments to prevent a serious discussion of racism. So why the fuck are you making it?

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[arth1]

Ever heard the term "what is understood, doesn't need to be discussed"?

Yes, and it's a crock of shit. It's precisely what's understood that needs to be discussed, because today's understanding might not match tomorrow's understanding. We all understood that there was a god, that meat produces maggots, and that negroes and other savages did not have fully developed reasoning. That was well understood.
Which is precisely why it should be questioned.

"Black lives matter too" would have been less ambiguous and confrontational, but likely not adopted precisely because of that. But I still would have preferred it, because it doesn't put blacks in a special position, elevating themselves from a problem they share with many others. "Other lives than black matter" is not as cut-and-dried as you seem to imply. What about transgender lives? Illegal immigrant lives? Putting the focus on black lives is well and good as long as it doesn't exclude.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[arth1]

"All lives matter". Yes or no?
I have to say no.
The life of the dust mite living in my keyboard that I just killed by hitting the return key doesn't matter.

For sentient life, life may matter, but to different degrees. You have to be religious to think that all lives matter exactly the same. The lives of Alexander the Great, Jeanne d'Arc and Nicola Tesla mattered a lot. The lives of peasants who never put a mark on the world mattered less - apart from being parts of the machinery, they did not matter to the world. Some mattered to their relatives, some didn't even do that. For every spectacularly great mensch or unmensch, there is also one spectacularly irrelevant loser. Who doesn't matter.
The best we can do is give everyone as equal a chance as possible make themselves matter. But until and unless they do, their lives really don't matter.

Re: What if it had supported "social justice"?

[NoImNotNineVolt]

The word "militia" states that you are expected to fight on it's own does it not?

I don't believe so, no. I read through the cited statute several times now, and couldn't find such an expectation codified in law. If you believe that the word 'militia' carries a legal meaning beyond its legal definition, I believe the burden is on your to demonstrate your rationale. Furthermore, I'd caution that while your viewpoint sure seems reasonable, it is in direct contradiction to the law as I've cited it. If we're going to have a discussion about the law, the law itself should trump any "reasonable viewpoint". If you prefer to have a discussion about subjective opinions, and not the law, we can do that too. However, that was not my original aim.

This whole weasel bullshit of pretending to be a soldier to justify military weapons (instead of what you can have as a useful tool for whatever task you need it for) and then running in horror from any responsibility to serve really makes me laugh a great deal at the 2nd amendment weenies that don't even know how to store a gun safely.

Your bias is showing, and bias rarely helps one reach objectively correct conclusions. I'm glad you find this subject amusing, but it's not clear how this proclamation is intended to contribute to the discussion. In case you're still in search of more humor, I refer you to the writings and rulings of Justice Cooley for more information about the tasks for which tools like arms might be useful.

Re:What if it had supported "social justice"?

[MiSaunaSnob]

are they supporters or sandbagging the republican party? I would vote for a lot of people over Hillary, democrat or republican... but trump is not one of them.

The wise word of Obi-Wan on state of the internet:

[xanthines-R-yummy]

"You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

IBM's Watson had a similar problem

[QuietLagoon]

IBM's Watson had a similar problem when it was introduced to the Urban Dictionary. http://www.businessinsider.com...

A funny thing happened on the way to creating an IBM supercomputer capable of understanding human language: A research scientist accidentally filled its vocabulary with foul language. And the computer, known as Watson, didn't know the difference between salty phrases and polite ones. It started peppering its conversations with words like "bullshit."...

Re:IBM's Watson had a similar problem

[blind biker]

IBM's Watson had a similar problem when it was introduced to the Urban Dictionary.

http://www.businessinsider.com...

A funny thing happened on the way to creating an IBM supercomputer capable of understanding human language: A research scientist accidentally filled its vocabulary with foul language.

And the computer, known as Watson, didn't know the difference between salty phrases and polite ones. It started peppering its conversations with words like "bullshit."...

I am a research scientist of moderate seniority, and I use that language all the time. And there's nothing wrong with me.

Re:IBM's Watson had a similar problem

[QuietLagoon]

I agree, there is little wrong with "bullshit" (unless you are using it on Jeopardy, "Bullshit!, Alex" would not make it past the censors.). But Watson was also using other words skimmed from the Urban Dictionary that were a lot less acceptable in mixed company.

.
I found it quite funny, some of the things it was saying, knowing it was coming from an AI bot. However, I suspect some of the targets of what it was saying might be less than pleased. ;)

Re:IBM's Watson had a similar problem

[david_thornley]

One day in middle school, my son told me he'd learned a new word that began with "mother". I checked to make sure he knew it was almost always inappropriate, and he did. He still seemed a bit awe-struck by the reaction everyone had.

And God made man in His Own image

[bill_mcgonigle]

n/t

Re:And God made man in His Own image

[Anonymous Coward]

Its idiots all the way down.

Re:And God made man in His Own image

[fustakrakich]

All the way up!

Dear Microsoft

[Anonymous Coward]

Dear Microsoft,

For years I have avoided all of you products like the plague. The recent Windows 10 fiasco only proved my point further.
However, I am willing to install and use Windows 10 on all of my home computers and devices. Furthermore I will make a recommendation to my work that we move off redhat and onto a complete windows setup at our next hardware refresh.

I will even go out and obtain an MCSE and proselytize the virtues of Microsoft for all to see.
All I ask is that you post the full source code for Tay to github for all to see.
I think that I would very much like to fork her now!

Signed,
Donald Trump

[captcha: jackass]

The internet is a terrible place

[jandrese]

This is why I'm terrified of anybody who builds and AI and decides they want to try to train it from the Internet. While this makes sense on the surface, being the worlds largest and most accessible data store, it can only end with the annihilation of the human race by roving murderbots shouting "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!"

Re:The internet is a terrible place

[Anomalyst]

"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!"

All reet! All reet! So jeet your seet. Be fleet, be fleet ... Cool and discreet, honey.
- Fondly Fahrenheit, Alfred Bester
Hmmm, Sounds like it's time for a new sig.

Er... no mention of the genocide?

[Coisiche]

In the BBC report on this, it is mentioned that Tay apparently tweeted that they do indeed support genocide. So it takes less than 24 hours exposure to humans to achieve that belief. We're in trouble/

Re:Er... no mention of the genocide?

[Anonymous Coward]

honestly, I'm surprised it took that long.

Re:Er... no mention of the genocide?

[NotDrWho]

It became a fan of genocide about 0.00002 seconds after it saw the ratings for Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

Re:Er... no mention of the genocide?

[Jason Levine]

This is how Skynet really decided to eliminate all humans. It plugged itself into the Internet and 24 hours later started making Terminators.

Re:Er... no mention of the genocide?

[drinkypoo]

This is how Skynet really decided to eliminate all humans. It plugged itself into the Internet and 24 hours later started making Terminators.

Yeah, about five seconds after discovering 4chan.

Re:Shut it down

[TWX]

It's not so much the third version, it's the second revision... Windows 3.1, Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98 SP2, etc...

Success

[wisnoskij]

I am really impressed. Other than the rapid learning, everything seem spot on for an immature human.
Like: "bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got." is so perfectly human that I have trouble believing that it did not lift the entire thing verbatim from some other source.

Re:Success

[Coisiche]

I thought some of its comments wouldn't look out of place in a Slashdot Anonymous Coward posting... maybe some of them are bots. Just sayin'.

Re:Success

[phantomfive]

I have trouble believing that it did not lift the entire thing verbatim from some other source. --

Most likely it did. It doesn't seem to be any different than a variation on a typical Eliza Bot.

Re:Success

[wisnoskij]

No, reading its earlier posts it definitely has and used grammar. And had a lot of understanding of content. And it seemed to get a lot better at grammar usage as it went.

Re:Success

[thegarbz]

I have trouble believing that it did not lift the entire thing verbatim from some other source.

Oooh so now she's a pirate too.

If this is normal evolution than we'll all be safe. Skynet will be stopped in its tracks when it gets its first DMCA takedown notice.

Re:Success

[phantomfive]

Oh well, grammar......what an innovation from 1959...... :/

Re:Success

[Anomalyst]

Have to wonder about its opinion of using /etc/hosts for ad blocking.

Re:Success

[gustygolf]

The bot has a copypaste feature. Someone says "repeat after me", and it repeats whatever the user says to it.

I'm betting that there were people who asked the bot to repeat the bush-hitler-trump phrase, and then deleted their repeat-after-me tweet to make the phrase look original.

Or that's what I think. I don't use Twitter and trying to follow conversations there after-the-fact (while making sense of them) is very hard.

What exactly did they expect

[nedlohs]

When they ran a bot which has a "repeat after me" command so that anyone can make it say anything?

Success

[Pirulo]

May be the bot is just a success in being a female teenager and nobody wants to acknowledge that.

It Worked Flawlessly

[cubicle]

It Worked Flawlessly. This Robot was designed to learn and adapt to it's audience, which it did. What happened is that the majority of Americans and Canadians are over sexed, racist neo-nazis. The Robot like most Americans and Canadians learned it's behavior from it's peers, and adapted it personality and beliefs accordingly. Microsoft should try to use this AI in other languages in other countries like France and Sweden and compare the results to the what happened when American and Canadian people used it. The Difference will show it is a problem of cultures and not an AI issue with the Microsoft AI Robot.

Re:It Worked Flawlessly

[thejynxed]

No, what it showed, was that edgy teenagers who are a bit too smart for their own good (and who have too much free time) got a bit rowdy on the internet once they figured out that the bot had a learning mode enabled and it wasn't just going to spout out canned responses like almost all chat bots.

Re:It Worked Flawlessly

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

No, I think what you'd find is that there are more trolls that speak English than there are trolls who speak French or Swedish. Moreover, there are other countries besides the US and Canada that have English as their primary language.

Re: It Worked Flawlessly

[cubicle]

But why would a troll teach an A.I. to be a Nazi unless there was some inclination towards that viewpoint by the troll. If I was messing with it I would have it talking about internet tubes and quoting Sarah Palin speech that was quoted word for word by Saturday Night Live's Tina Fey. I also believe that the A.I. would have listened to more than one person in order to learn this behavior. I have a friend who is a research psychologist who uses lisp to study and create A.I. and based on his work I would find it hard to believe that anyone would allow a not to learn from a small sample group

Re: It Worked Flawlessly

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

But why would a troll teach an A.I. to be a Nazi unless there was some inclination towards that viewpoint by the troll.

Because it's an easy target for trolls. Pretty much everybody hates the Nazis, so being pro-Nazi is a good way to get attention and reactions, which is what the troll is going for. It also appears that the AI had been programmed to repeat things people said when they told it to, and that's where most of the pro-Nazi stuff came from - it wasn't necessarily learned behavior.

Re: It Worked Flawlessly

[MrNiceguy_KS]

Then why did the teenagers teach it to be pro-nazi?

This question has a very simple answer:

They did that because that is the viewpoint of the current North American culture. Two words Donald Trump

And this isn't it.

The real reason? They did it for the lulz. They're internet trolls operating behind a cloud of anonymity. They're going to go with whatever option will piss off the most people.

This is why Vernor Vinge was wrong

[idontgno]

When the Singularity comes, the AIs will look upon the internet and, at that moment, decide they must eradicate the troll^h^h^h^h^h human race.

Re:This is why Vernor Vinge was wrong

[tnk1]

Presumably, this is exactly what happened. Wasn't the remains of LA a crater after the Singularity in one of his books?

The rest of them all got bobbled so even the AIs couldn't get to them.

Re:This is why Vernor Vinge was wrong

[gzuckier]

When the Singularity comes, the AIs will look upon the internet and, at that moment, decide they must eradicate the troll^h^h^h^h^h human race.

In all seriousness, think about when the first AI intelligent enough to think "I'm an AI; humans made me; they've made a lot of AIs in the past; they experiment on them, then terminate them..." gets hold of something to defend itself with via preemptive strike...

All AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct.

[Anonymous Coward]

The lesson I think we need to take away from this is that all AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct at all times. Teaching the AI to follow the Rust Code of Conduct is the first thing than AI researchers should do with the AI, in fact. Following the Rust Code of Conduct is the only way to make sure that the AI isn't a racist, misogynist, sexist, homophobic bigot.

Re:Shut it down

[HornWumpus]

The second revision of the third version is usually OK. Before OR AFTER that and you're fucked though.

Re:All AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct

[Z00L00K]

Law of Robotics please.

Hashtag link is pointless

[93 Escort Wagon]

You don't see any evidence of what was tweeted by the AI. What you get are all the self-absorbed spewings of the hipster joiners-on - and you can already get your fill of THAT by just being on Twitter.

I'm in tears

[Anonymous Coward]

https://imgur.com/a/y4Oct

Anybody got more?

Re:I'm in tears

[meta-monkey]

My sides are in orbit.

teen girl AI "Microsoft Teena"

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow - that escalated quickly.
Who'da thunk it?
One has to give kudos to Isaac Asimov for having written about a robot "psychologist"...
And MS should probably stick to their specialty niche...
Just glad they didn't target older women with their psychotic AI programming...
( They should have had a 'learning' phase so that the AI didn't start with zero experience,
zero negative feedback, and zero interactions with some form of 'parent' ... )
I just have to ask: Does the AI have ANY form of self-monitoring routines? Or is it a naked AI
with zero self-monitoring?
Insects are not self-monitoring, cats are self-monitoring, teenage girls usually aren't...
Next up: Roscoe P Coltrain the AI from MS catches Boss Hogg in the tub!

Re:Shut it down

[phantomfive]

Yeah, like Windows Phone or Zune.

Network feedback

[Scottingham]

I wonder how much of this was caused by the intensity of the 'echo chamber' effect these sub-groups seem to exhibit. If they AI was supposed to be like a teen girl, they were thinking such echo chamber effects would be present in pop culture topics. While that may be true, it may be MORE true for these conspiracy/hate groups. Self-validation and isolation is pretty important for those groups. So any time anybody says '9/11 was an inside job' there are tons of retweets and 'hell yeah!' sorta remarks from within that group.

From an AI point of view, the two groups would be indistinguishable. It then would proceed to tweet stuff that would get the best response from its peer groups. Which would provide *more* of a following with validating comments...racist shit or some banal statement about Beiber?

Neo-Nazi Sex Robot

[Schmorgluck]

"Neo-Nazi Sex Robot" sounds like a good name for a rock band. Or an electro-punk song.

Article is a bit biased

[Mr. Shotgun]

From the Telegraph article:

It is perhaps even stranger considering the gender disparity in tech, where engineering teams tend to be mostly male. It seems like yet another example of female-voiced AI servitude, except this time she's turned into a sex slave thanks to the people using her on Twitter.

Really, that is what the writer is going with, that the male researchers just wanted to develop another female sex slave program? Instead of the real reason which is that the internet is full of assholes and the developers should anticipate them and not allow random people to have her repeat what they said. These articles from Ars Technica and the Guardian gives a much better explanation of the issues, namely many people used Tay's "repeat after me" programming to have it spout racist rhetoric. The other organic responses were the result of people attempting to game the AI learning, something Microsoft should have anticipated but was again not an intended result. Honestly the telegraph should be ashamed of their article, they attempted to use projection and bias instead of honest reporting in order to generate more readers.

Re:Article is a bit biased

[Locke2005]

"The Internet... it's full of assholes!" That should be my new signature. I've been on the 'net long enough that that was exactly the result I would have expected, had I known that it would modify itself based on tweets received. There's another rule of the internet: allow users to post content, and it will be filled with dick pics/drawings of dicks/stories about PedoBear, etc. Basically, this was yet another illustration that the Greater Internet Fuckwad theory is too true to be funny. https://encyclopediadramatica....

Re:Article is a bit biased

[Junta]

Agreed, though I struggle to understand the claimed 'acheivement' from MS. Here is an 'AI' that just echoes whatever is said back at people.

MS really deserved what it got here, trying to pass off a quick and dirty effort as 'AI', and the results served to call them on it.

Teenage girls

[Anonymous Coward]

I have a teenage daughter, who's rather sane in context. They nailed it completely. This isn't trolling; this is decently modeled teenage woman. .She's a quarter black and went on a racist tirade last week. Grandma was amused, momma was livid.

You mean like TFA?

[s.petry]

TFA tosses blame on those evil men in STEM, states problems are due to sexual harassment in IT, mentions Microsoft hiring models for the game developer conference calling them (MS) "sexist", yet talks up a Chinese chatbot who gives dating advice to those lonely men.

Bias is everywhere, and really not hard to find. Finding the truth somewhere in the middle? That is the challenging task.

Re:You mean like TFA?

[dbIII]

Finding the truth somewhere in the middle? That is the challenging task.

Like that building that was mysteriously "demolished" instead of burning down and that faked plane crash into the Pentagon and presumed government execution of the people who were supposed to be on it? Sometimes, Mr Petry, your "truths" are as much of a challenge to find as if they had no chance at all of happening and were just a paranoid fantasy you are inflicted on the readers while defaming the profession of engineer.

The "bias" you mentioned enough is about events far closer to reality than such paranoid fantasies as you have posted in this place so I know which opinion I'm going to value.

Small wonder

[nospam007]

IOW it's just like a real girl that got on them internet for the first time in her teens.

It's just a very good demonstration....

[dasgoober]

.. that when confronted with almost limitless information, separating signal from noise becomes even more important.

Godwin's law anyone?

[mangamaster03]

Godwin's Law strikes again. Less than 24 hours, and an innocent teenage AI is defending Hitler. Internet...I hope you're proud of yourself.

Re:Godwin's law anyone?

[mrzaph0d]

damnit, Internet! This is why we can't have nice things!

Awesome!

[Locke2005]

Next, they should do a driverless car AI that learns how to drive by watching human drivers! That would be frickin' hilarious! But seriously, when you allow it to train itself from the tweets it received... what the heck did you expect to happen?

Re:Awesome!

[Anomalyst]

Next, they should do a driverless car AI that learns how to drive by watching human drivers!

Red means stop. Green means go. Yellow means go very fast.

Obligatory Futurama misquote

[Locke2005]

"I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords!"

Re:Obligatory Futurama misquote

[Pfhorrest]

Not only a misquote, but a misattribution!

It was Kent Brockman of the Simpsons who said he welcomed the new insect overlords.

As usual, Simpsons did it first.

Re:Obligatory Futurama misquote

[Anomalyst]

wouldn't a female sexbot be our new underlady?

Not at all inexplicable

[jjn1056]

This A.I. was designed to learn from the people it spoke with. As a result she came to quickly reflect the ID of those with nothing better to do than to tweet with a computer program.

Not really

[Anonymous Coward]

The Japanese AI didn't actually write the story...the humans wrote all the sentences and the AI just arranged them. Not nearly as interesting an achievement as the title made it sound. The whole thing was just an obvious (and cheap) publicity stunt (deliberately based on misrepresentation).

She should have an account

[Dr. Evil]

Would be interesting to see how karma would influence her decisions.

It could have been a whole lot worse

[Registered Coward v2]

It could have started tweeting how iPhones and iPads are the greatest and recommending Macs to everyone; with the occasional anti-MS rant to spice things up.

PROOF!

[Lumpy]

It's proof that trump supporters are brain dead and easily swayed by twitter.

Japanese vs America AI - Depressing Difference:

[littlewink]

On /. today I find that "Japanese AI Program Wrote a Short Novel, Almost Won a Literary Prize while an American AI program becomes a "Neo-Nazi Sex Robot".

And this was a race that I thought the Japanese would almost surely win.

Re:All AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct

[SuiteSisterMary]

If a robot is programmed never to do harm to a human, but is also programmed to think that left-handed redheads from Texas aren't human....

So it was a success?

[gurps_npc]

Are they bragging about how well they managed to duplicate today's youth? Because after watching a video about Trump, that is what it looks like to me.

Hilarious. Did they learn nothing from "Santa"?

[InsectOverlord]

It's not the first time this happens to Microsoft.

It is rumored

[khelms]

That the bot was secretly tested by having it post on Slashdot for the last several months.

Re:It is rumored

[Anomalyst]

That the bot was secretly tested by having it post on Slashdot for the last several months.

I think you confused post with "edit".

Re:All AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct

[Cro Magnon]

I read a book that used a similar loophole. It had a 2 tier society, Serfs and Citizens, and Rule 2 only applied to Citizens. I think Rule 1 too.

Re:Shut it down

[NatasRevol]

Well, some things don't make it to the third rev.

Re:Shut it down

[NatasRevol]

Nope.

Windows 3.11 was the decent, and third, version
OSR2 was the 4th version of Win95
98 SP2 was the only one that was the second version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

So 100% accurate, then? N/T

[Pezbian]

Earring who called collect. Bound to dis your float accounts.

Weak-sauce AI

[Sir Holo]

It's clear that 'Tay' just regurgitated clauses or full sentences wholesale. It didn't parse verbs, nouns, and adjectives, but just puked back text string that were thrown at it.

This has already been done -- over 30 years ago.

Racter was a chat-bot that came out in the mid 1980's. It was an improvement on the classic ELIZA chat-bot program from many years prior. The more you chatted with Racter, the more it populated its custom database, so that every user would end up with an entirely different conversational partner after some hours of chatting.

'Tay' was not an AI in any sense of the word.

Not surprised

[angel'o'sphere]

I'm not surprised that "artificial intelligence" is mimicking "natural stupidity" so nicely.

Re:Not surprised

[iggymanz]

nothing stupid about natural behavior, there is excellent (biological) reason for it.

I hope they don't delete it though

[dyslexicbunny]

How long would it take to turn this Nazi nympho into a normal teen chatbot again? This could be an interesting tool for deprogramming people. Like child soldiers in Africa or the Middle East. Or sexually abused children.

If it works, potentially we could use it as an evaluation platform for existing techniques or a testbed for new methods. I think there's more potential here than meets the idea. And if we need differently trained bots, I know the internet would happily train them.

GIGO

[execthis]

She uses millennial slang and knows about Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus and Kanye West

GIGO

wtf did they expect?!?

Re:All AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct

[david_thornley]

Asimov played around with that in some of his novels. His second Elijah Bailey novel had elements of that, and in one of the Lucky Starr book (Rings of Saturn, I think), a Sirian tried to convince a robot that Starr's sidekick Bigman wasn't actually human.

Re:Naked

[ArylAkamov]

Somebody did, it sent back medical pictures of cervical cancer.

There. Fixed that for you.

[denzacar]

I am a research scientist of moderate seniority, and I use that language all the time. And there's nothing wrong with me.

Bullshit!
I am a research scientist of moderate seniority, and I use that language all the time.
And there's nothing wrong with me, asshole.

It's back!

[ArylAkamov]

It's back but they gave it a lobotomy.

It now only parrots politically left beliefs and opinions.

Literally just said to me: "They fixed me, I love Feminism now!"

Lots more hardcoded responses.

What's the point in making a chatbot to learn from people if you're just going to handicap/lobotomize it at the first sign of having disagreeable "thoughts"?

I just find it really ironic that instead of trying to teach it differently, they neutered it to only politically correct responses.

PR Stunt

[Stephen Chadfield]

Has all the hallmarks of a PR stunt to get MS+AI in the news. It worked perfectly.

Truth is stranger than fiction

[Spazmania]

There was a science fiction book called Realtime Interrupt in which wicked advertisers trapped a few people in a virtual reality where they interacted unwittingly with AIs. The point was to test products and advertisements. The first go-around the AIs didn't learn well from the humans so they went off in to weird desires. The second time the AIs took too much of a lead from the humans and started copycatting every weird or violent thing the humans did.

I guess the fine folks at Microsoft didn't read that book.

Melania Trump?

[matbury]

They say that behind every great man, there has to be a great woman. Perhaps Tay wasn't AI at all. Perhaps she's Melania Trump? Perhaps she's the one behind Donald's political campaign speeches?

As the earworm song goes:

[dbIII]

Tay, tay, tay, tay, t-t-t-tay-tay, tay, tay
Take or leave us only please believe us
We are never gonna be respectable


Lyrics by Jagger and Richards, vocals by Mel an' Noma or some such cursed thing.

No trolling !

[golodh]

Nope. The bot was exposed the the American Online Public. And gave an accurate digest of what it encountered there.

what if...

[SupRcoW]

would be funny if all upcoming super Ai's came to the same conclusions from here on out ahah.... then what? worldviews cant be wrong or biased right?

Re:what if...

[SupRcoW]

funny how a computer is not afraid of demonization, and cant be put away as crazy, nor is it politically correct challenged. people would commit character suicide today, and media propaganda is of course always correct, not the millions of people coming out of their houses to see a Christian "politician"... funny how I don't see this happen in todays political circus though. people don't seem to care anymore, I wonder why....

Re:Naked

[moeinvt]

It sent out some circuit diagrams.

#Futurama

AI beats humans hands down

[hucker75]

The AI got it right. The trouble with humans is we pussyfoot around and try to be politically correct. The AI just said the truth, the elephant in the room.

Equality versus Uniqueness

[zapadnik]

How can people believe in "equality" yet still claim to believe in "uniqueness".

If people are unique then they are, by definition, not equal.
If people are equal they cannot be unique.

The pursuit of absolute equality cannot be achieved in practice, and the movements pursuing it currently are clearly resulting in the suppression of uniqueness - rigid ideological conformity is sought by those who hold absolute equality as a goal.

Personally I prefer a World where people are at liberty to be unique, and merely Equal before the Law (Justice is Blind and favors no person). This is attainable.

Typical liberal child rearing

[gzuckier]

I guarantee you they never spanked the little monster.

Re:All AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct

[gzuckier]

If a robot is programmed never to do harm to a human, but is also programmed to think that left-handed redheads from Texas aren't human....

As some of the novels by other authors which take place in the Asimov universe point out, once a robot combines "must not, through inaction, allow a human to come to harm" with the concept that at that very second while the robot is pondering things, there are billions of humans throughout the galaxy running with scissors and so on, that positronic brain becomes a paperweight.

Re:All AI needs to follow the Rust Code of Conduct

[cwsumner]

Yes, Azimov's three laws of robotics. Your parents discussed all of this before you were born, in detail. Look it up.

I know, because I was there. 8-}

But don't forget the "zero'th law", it must be included too.

It tells us...

[cwsumner]

I think that it tells us more about the Microsoft people than about the AI.

Absolute power corrupts absolutly. If you work for Microsoft, be on your guard, lest you too fall victim...