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Windows 10 Computers Crash When Amazon Kindles Are Plugged In (theguardian.com)
It appears that many users are facing an issue with their Windows 10 computers when they plug in an Amazon Kindle device. According to reports, post Windows 10 Anniversary Update installation, everytime a user connect their Amazon Paperwhite or Voyage, their desktop and laptop lock up and require rebooting. The Guardian reports:Pooka, a user of troubleshooting forum Ten Forums said: "I've had a Kindle paperwhite for a few years no and never had an issue with connecting it via USB. However, after the recent Windows 10 updates, my computer BSOD's [blue screen of death] and force restarts almost as soon as I plug my Kindle in." On Microsoft's forums, Rick Hale said: "On Tuesday, I upgraded to the Anniversary Edition of Windows 10. Last night, for the first time since the upgrade, I mounted my Kindle by plugging it into a USB 2 port. I immediately got the blue screen with the QR code. I rebooted and tried several different times, even using a different USB cable, but that made no difference."
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"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
[Lawrence Olivier] Let the excuses begin! [/Lawrence Olivier]
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Perhaps if I could choose to load which updates I want and when, then you might have a point.
And Yes, I was a rabid Windows fan till win 8.
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We'll run a story when your iPhone reboots every time you plug in a headset.
Best results will be obtained by using Monster (tm) brand USB cables.
I thought Windows 10 was so stable that those were a thing of the past?
So, if I scan the QR code, does it give me a coupon for a discount on my next Microsoft purchase?
You're joking right? Nothing gets as much traction on /. than windows bugs.
My tablet reboots every time I pair it with my set of bluetooth headphones. Can I get a story about that?
They finished porting all of my games?
But I am returning the laptop to ubuntu or mint - tried the win 10 builds on it - and that convinced me to jump ship.
Have to keep the win 7 ultimate system up until more games can run on Linux.
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No, no, no. That's all wrong. First you have to come up with some stupid name for it. Like "Subgate" or "Tunnel Disease". Then you're set to get a nice splashy article about it.
No, and Microsoft hasn't ported all your PS4 games either.
I do not want to subscribe to and eat cookies as a service full of bugs.
No need to worry. The bug ridden head set port is getting removed! Stability will reign once again in the kingdom!
Did you try rebooting your speakers?
What? Amazon has a device called the "Paperwhite"? Did anyone else initially read that as "paperweight"? I guess technically it's the Win10 system that because a paperweight, but if you can't charge it because it crashes your computer, the reader will eventually become one too.
Who names these things?
Windows 10 is absurdly unstable because it's under constant development. One day your computer is working, the next they decide to do an update and break everything. Of course, instability is just one of the major problems with 10. An equally big problem is that it has no customisation options and gives you no control.
I had Windows 10 on four PCs and I wasn't happy with it, but I thought I'd have to upgrade at some point anyway so I was sticking with it. However, when the Anniversary Update came along and completely destroyed my computers I moved them all back to 8.1. The Anniversary Update is an update in name only, and the reality is that it is a completely new installation of Windows. It downloads the 4GB image, does a clean install (renaming your current one to windows.old) and then tries to transfer your programs and settings across. It fails utterly at doing this and afterwards it's not a case of "what's broken?", more like "does anything still work?"
Windows 8.1 is supported until 2023 so I've got that long to switch to Linux. After all the trouble reinstalling 8.1 on all my computers I wouldn't consider installing 10 again. Windows 10 gets a lot of criticism around here, but I suspect most of the criticism comes from people who haven't actually use it. If you do use it the reality is far worse.
One of the things M$ changed in Anniversary was that they were going to start enforcing that all drivers will need to be signed. Perhaps the Kindle driver is not? Maybe uninstall Kindle driver, see if Amazon has posted a new signed driver, install that, see if Kindle and Windows are happy together again?
Charged my Fire Tablet on my Windows 10 laptop since the update. Have to try it tonight and see if it replicates on the Fire Tablet too.
I can confirm this in my Win10 setup. Upon plugging my Kindle Voyage, Win10 Anniversary Update crashes instantly and require a reboot.
-- Look to the Rose that blows about us--"Lo, Laughing," she says, "into the World I blow..."
I had this problem. After installing the Anniversary update, plugging my Kindle Paperwhite into the USB port would bluescreen Windows about half the time.
There were more updates yesterday, and I've plugged in the Kindle several times today without anything bad happening.
I'm a dreamer, the world is my playpen. But hey, I'm a serious person, I can't dream all the time.
You can: choose Linux.
Study finds that 75% people pushing Linux on others aren't actualy using Linux.
Be or ben't
I am not. This is an update for the most widely used OS in the world which reboots when one of the most popular consumer devices available is plugged in. How exactly should it not be a story?
Calm down cowboy. It's not that big of a deal.
SJWs are the new boogeyman. -Me
You're just pairing them wrong.
> ...my computer BSOD's [blue screen of death] and force restarts almost as soon as I plug my Kindle in.
Windows 10 is anticipating the attachment of the device and prematurely crashes? That's pretty efficient.
I'm probably not the only one here who's getting sick and tired of hearing about yet another major Windows bug that we can't do anything about. While Microsoft makes their operating system even less stable, update to update, it also makes it harder for us to even pick the updates that we know work and leave those we don't aside.
That's a serious problem, and downtime due to computers crashing, needing to be reformatted and their operating systems re-installed, together with the time taken for users to learn about these problems and investigate workarounds, costs the world economy trillions every year. In this case the user loses whatever functionality lead them to wanting to plug a Kindle Fire into their Windows PCs in the first place, again having a real cost associated with it.
Yet while we waste time waiting for our computers to reboot, we feel helpless, unable to investigate workarounds or other ways to achieve the results we want.
This quagmire of people being unable to fix the problems caused by bugs and other issues will not disappear by itself. Resources need to be devoted, and unless people are prepared to actually act, not just talk about it on Slashdot, nothing will ever get done. Apathy is not an option.
You can help by getting off your rear and writing to your congressman or senator. Tell them your concerns about bugs in Windows 10. Warn them that trillions of dollars are being lost because of these issues. Tell them this is important to you. Tell them that you appreciate the work being done by organizations like Microsoft and Amazon to fix the bugs, but that without better QA and more reliable drivers, you will be forced to use less and less secure and intelligently designed alternatives. Explain the concerns you have about freedom, openness, and choice, and how vicious, angry, arguments undermines all three. Let them know that this is an issue that effects YOU directly, that YOU vote, and that your vote will be influenced, indeed dependent, on their policies on bugs in Windows 10.
You CAN make a difference. Don't treat voting as a right, treat it as a duty. Remember, it was thanks to ordinary people like YOU that we are now seeing such innovations as SMP in OpenBSD. Keep informed, keep your political representatives informed on how you feel. And, most importantly of all, vote.
KMSMA (WWBD?)
Luckily the iPhone 7 is rumored to have a hotfix for that issue: "Removed headphone jack to prevent issues with phones that reboot every time a headset is plugged in."
So... did Jeff Bezos and Satya Nadella get into a fight the night before?
I doubt that, but yeah, it is a rather nasty way for a bug to manifest!
1. Pair devices
2. Reboot
3. Repair devices
4. Profit!
From what I've heard with the large layoffs at Microsoft the last few years they have been hurriedly getting rid of their older more experienced workers in order to replace them with younger workers especially H1B Visa workers. The Visual Studio 2015 and Windows 10 screwups seem to confirm that.
I ran into that too. It was lost to the account, the start button was still there. I had to create another account via the command prompt, log into that one, delete the original account, and then create a replacement account. Of course, I had to then log into that account, and kill the one I created via the command prompt. Very screwed up way to fix the problem, but it worked. Only happened once on one machine.
Except that the Kindle app on Windows lacks some of the features of the Android or the iOS equivalents: I can't flip the pages from black-on-white to white-on-black
Does this mean MS has a competing e-reader coming to market?
There are millions of Windows 10 installations and millions of Kindles. So unless everyone's Kindle crash when they connect it I'd wait a bit before blaming Microsoft.
It can be caused a faulty USB controller, a bug in some driver (which may or may not be by Microsoft) or some kind of coincidence.
What may have happened (it has already happened to me) is that some driver was updated and now make use of a previously unused feature of the hardware. However, there is a batch of hardware where using this feature results in some kind of undefined behavior, causing the crash.
You said it!! Can you imagine the bugs in those cookies? I can see it now.
MicroBake: Have a cookie!
Customer: Ooohh! That looks like a nice oatmeal-raisin cookie!
MicroBake: Umm. No. That is a sugar cookie. That is not oatmeal you see, and there are no raisins in it.
Great civilizations have lived and died on false theories. Don't mess up mine with a few facts.
So i'm not installing Windows 10 on my PS4... got it.
I'm pretty sure that was his point. He has to use Windows to play his Windows games. Because of this, he CAN'T choose Linux and still get the same functionality. Therefor, anything that negatively impacts Windows impacts him.
Long time listener, first time caller. I'm generally supportive of your bullshit... but wtf do you want him to do on the subway? Use his iPhone to record his iPhone randomly rebooting? Ask strangers to record it and put it on YouTube.. ya know, in case assholes on Slashdot ask for it.
Is it a Kindle Paperwhite or Voyage? Or a different model of Kindle? The summary explicitly calls out the Paperwhite and Voyage models as the ones Windows is having problems with.
Try this.
Why do the "raisins" move?
I wish to cancel my subscription. Here is my soul.
Fair enough.
SJWs are the new boogeyman. -Me
And just what part of your ass did you pull that "statistic" from?
Oh, BTW, you may be running Linux or BSD yourself and not even know it -- Android is Linux and Apple is BSD. In fact, about the only computers that aren't running BSD or Linux are Windows desktops and laptops.
Free Martian Whores!
BSOD?
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Try shutting a few things off. On my phone, when I use my bluetooth speaker, half the time it will reboot itself because Google decides that's exactly when it should update an app I never use and wish I could remove. I found that shutting off wi-fi makes it crash less.
Free Martian Whores!
and then iphone 8 removed bluetooth drains battery to fast
I have a Paperwhite, currently plugged into a Win 10 Pro (Anniversary release).
Number of blue screens? Zero.
Unplug it. Same number of blue screens. Zero.
Oh wow. That's really smart. I suppose you buy a new car when you get a flat tire, too, huh?
I don't respond to AC's.
I epoxied your mom's wifi port.
Playstation 4 is BSD.
iPhone 9 will remove the phone app because it always interrupts audio/video playback from any a/v service at the most annoying time.
I don't think those are the people getting fired. They're just retiring, especially those who had the good stock options back from the Gates years and when the stock price was riding high. I understand most people getting the sack these days are the saps brought in from the Nokia acquisition, who were never real Microsoft anyway (and now, never will be).
But there's definitely a case of turnover going on. Youngsters who want to make their own name for themselves (read: make themselves non-fireable) rather than support some old guy's code. They re-invent the GUI, tossing years' worth of human-interface guidelines down the tubes because they're so young and hip and we know everything like how the desktop is dead and the flat look is just so much better it's ok to just make people use it with forced upgrades. Selling software is so old and balding, we're the future and we're pushing out software as a service! Course, if something breaks, something shitty gets released to the world, just push out a fix sometime. Whatever.
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
Just google "raw usb aniversary" (sorry, I had the link from one of MS pages confirming it and recommending not to upgrade and not to mess with your disks but I can't find it anymore).
This is particularly scary as people might destroy their data while "recovering" it. Also from backup drives...
How is this off-topic? It sounds like ideal equipment for Windows 10, although an ordinary bonfire would do.
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I was not affected by this bug. Thankfully, my USB hub is also not working after the anniversary update, so plugging in my Kindle was unable to crash it. I'd make a video to prove it, but the update also broke my webcam.
All that stuff is working fine for me on Arch though. I had only booted Win10 because I wanted to play the new Deus Ex, but since it looks like a Linux port is likely coming soon (Thanks Feral!), I guess I'll just keep not using Windows, and play the game in a few months.
Very hard to impact video quality on a Asus poseiden GTX 980Ti and using a Haswell 5930K .
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You forget what OS this is....
This is a undocumented feature.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Till Kindle Won't Run!
Even Windows has BSD in the network stack.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
It's a bug that should have been caught before it reached any customer. Most companies would feel bad when bugs are first found by customers instead of QA, but not Microsoft.
Windows 7 doesn't reduce video quality in games. Very few games require anything beyond DX11.
Clearly, Amazon failed in predicting the future behavior of Windows and foolishly assumed that yesterday's AI would work today.
Win 10 is no where near the top OS, it just beats XP by 6%...
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=Y
But I agree this is a valid story and that not playing nice with a Kindle is a major screw up.
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
TFA makes it sound like this affects 100% of users, but it doesn't seem to affect me. Just tried plugging my kindle voyage into my windows 10 laptop running the anniversary update. Worked as normal, no bluescreen here.
Have you turned any of the devices on yet?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Yea, cause Microsoft should own one if of possible USB device that could be plugged in.
They are called edge-cases for a reason.
You are right. Microsoft should test connecting Kindles. Derp. Its a bug. Bugs happen. That is why they have patches.
No he doesn't. He also can not play Windows games.
No, but if my car kept crashing with uncontrolled acceleration I would.
You can't have proof, because I made it up. I don't have Win10 or a Kindle. The point is FUCKING BUGS EXIST. What planet are you from?
Damn, we need to add that to test plan...step 1) Turn devices on!
Uh yeah. I am a shill for copyright? WTF does that even mean? Moron.
100% correct. In addition he is probably theodp.
LOL! Big fail, bro. The point is this is no mere "bug" that happens randomly to some people, it's yet another example of Windows 10 and MS fucking everything up. So STFU with your defensive bullshit.
So if you get a flat and someone drives up and says why don't you just take this Porsche for free, you'd say no?
I'm asking him to provide video of his Windows 10 machine NOT instantly BSODing when he plugs in a Kindle.
He claimed this was the case. I mentioned the iPhone to avoid any "I can't take video" excuses.
You can see below that he admits to making the whole thing up.
What is it with Microsoft and USB devices, especially BASIC usb devices with KNOWN whitepapers and functions? Why is it that when I unplug a device and plug it back into a different port that it doesn't recognise that same serial ID and work instantly like "other" OS's but has to re-install device drivers all over again, sometimes taking minutes to do so?
Windows' treatment of the USB driver stack is appalling in MOST cases that I have come across.
Universal my ass.
If it weren't for OTHER operating systems you'd think UniversalSB was a misnomer.
It's not like this is an obscure device.
Of course, since we can always hide problematic updates... oh wait, we can't even do that... if we required to accept all updates then Microsoft needs to be even better about testing rather than become more sloppy.
I wonder if the Kindle driver could be pointed at to blame. Some drivers use "undocumented" and unsupported entry points to simplify programming. Maybe the jump point that the driver expects no longer exists.
Oh, BTW, you may be running Linux or BSD yourself and not even know it -- Android is Linux and Apple is BSD.
And it'd be technically correct* to state that TiVo DVRs run Linux.
But what people mean when they refer to running Linux or BSD on a desktop PC are X11/Linux and X11/FreeBSD. Unlike the majority of window managers for the X Window System, Android prior to Nougat doesn't even have multiple windows on screen as a standard feature, which makes it not ideal for writing one document while referring to another.
* Allegedly the best kind of correct.
Google decides that's exactly when it should update an app I never use and wish I could remove
"Uninstall updates" followed by "Disable" should keep Google from updating that app.
I don't disagree with your overall assertion that this is newsworthy, but should point out that Windows 10 is nowhere near the most widely used OS in the world.
It isn't even the most widely used Microsoft desktop OS in the world.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Have you turned any of the devices on yet?
Yes, both PC and Kindle. Works just like it did last week, last month, last year.
Of course, sitting here in the airport with my Win10 and my Paperwhite, I had to know.
So I am plugging in the USB Cable and
Windows is not done, till Kindle won't run.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Why would you need Windows 7 Ultimate to play computer games?
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
Kindles emulate standard USB storage.
This seems more like windows trying to be "smart", detecting a kindle device and handling it different, triggering a bug.
This is a stupid bug that should not happen (as a kindle device should be handled by userspace and killed when unresponsive)
On the other hand, my linux experience when handling corrupted IO devices sectors hasn't been wonderful, so I can say the grass isn't much greener from this side of the fence.
So if you get a flat and someone drives up and says why don't you just take this Porsche for free, you'd say no?
Of course what you aren't told unless you read the contract (err EULA) for you "free" Porsche is that the company has the right to monitor your usage for advertisement purposes and anything else that the said company finds useful. Of course, all information will be held in the strictest confidence unless an appropriate authority requests that information. The company also has the right to update your "free" Porsche without prior notice as well as anything that the company deems important and you don't have any rights to refuse.
What! I hear you say but I get a free Porsche. Yes! you do but so does everyone else so where is the uniqueness in that. Of course, the cops are going to have a field day as every idiot (err user) tries to drag everyone else and the said company to whom you agreed to their contract (err EULA) will have all your driving habits available to convict you.
I personally would just change my flat tyre with my spare or just call roadside assist (err the WEB). Also, why would I want to change my Mclaren Racer for a pedestrian Porsche?
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
because I have it?
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But I can on a Mac. There are so many other things not working on W10, that are not being reported on most sites.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
M$ should really take the idea of naming updates and run with it, like Anniversary Update, as if anyone gives a shit that it has been a year since they released their latest over-hyped bug fest. Call it Stinky Elephant Dung or Rainbow Kitten and people are still going to use it, and have problems with it. Next time maybe they'll go full-DPRK and name something the "Bill Gates is God Edition," or just show all their cards and release "Microsoft Owns Your Computer, Bitch. Edition", and you'll have no choice whether to install it or not. But that still isn't as lame as Apple naming crap after big cats, as if that would make the OS more fierce or something.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
It seems to be fiscally wanton to spend money on 90% of features you'll never use, just to play games on a perfectly good "home premium" edition.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
And now THIS will be the year of LInux on the desktop!
"Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
It should at least fail gracefully. I'm having the same BSOD issue with my dell monitor webcam.
Therefore it's all Amazon's fault / the users are stupid / everyone saying this is a shill / everyone saying this is a liar / who uses Kindles anymore / perhaps they shouldn't buy shitty hardware / other OSes have hardware problems too [/oss zealot]
No. Linux is a free Porsche with no strings. All you have to do is accept it.
No what sounds happen is that the fundamental drivers that handle USB be incapable of bringing down an entire system. This isn't an edge case, Not in a world where your video card can catch fire and windows gracefully attempts to reload the driver on the fly.
If you understand what a BSOD is (kernel panic), and you also understand why this shouldn't happen (no userland software or hardware should EVER be talking directly to the kernel since Vista), you'll come to the same conclusion I have.
2 possibilities:
1- Microsoft is fucking with Amazon. Azure can't compete with AWS, so they have to attack Amazon somehow...
-OR- 2- Anniversary update contains new NSA spyware meant to interact with the kindle, but instead FAILs hard thanks to what I assume to be internal sabotage from someone inside the NSA who hates his job (maybe the same guy who leaked the DNC emails and the NSA tools).
"Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
In the small number of cases where a game would look better with a newer directX version..... its not the OS's fault. It's just MS artificially creating a reason to upgrade (because there really isn't one).
Also, have you noticed OpenGL / OpenCL game support becomming more common? I wonder what that's all about..... =)
"Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
...and in the super-secret POSIX system calls.
"Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
I have a study here that says that over 70% of statistics are made up, with 55.33% thereof showing off a precision they cannot justify.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No, but it would make me think if I have a flatfoot every other day, and there are people, who claim they're from the manufacturer, constantly remodeling my car without asking me first, hell, without even TELLING me what they're doing there.
Plus having a guy following me in a van who keeps taking notes where I go and checks constantly who is driving with me would give me the creeps.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The computer is your friend. Trust the computer...
I stopped playing Paranoia. It felt too close to home.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
If you cram a headset into an iPhone, I'd pretty much expect it to crash.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Kinda. MS is a dick and Kindle users are fucked.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yea, cause Microsoft should own one if of possible USB device that could be plugged in.
They are called edge-cases for a reason.
Kindle edge-case? Shirley you must be joking.
Get the joke man :)
I'm just bored of all the comments like if "switch to linux" is the absolute answer to everything.
Be or ben't
Even tho I paid less for the ultimate license than I would have paid for the home license?
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xcom, moo , moo2 to name a few
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Two Seattle technology companies ...
... intent on market domination
... selling ads, apps, entertainment hardware, phones (cough, cough), songs, tablets, video, webservices
... with comparable ad networks, app stores, market capitalization, operating systems, patent portfolios, payment services, research groups (robotics, deep learning, etc), search engines
... (one still sells books; the other, computer software -- but as hobbies)
... meet on the Windows 10 battlefield.
"There can be only one"
Sure distill it down to a specific version as if the goal isn't to have all Windows machines be Windows 10.
Versions don't matter. Windows is the most popular system in the word used to connect to incredibly popular Kindles.
This is 99% likely a drivers issue, which are not userland. That's why they need to be signed by Microsoft itself; otherwise, if I remember correctly, even with admin rights you can't install drivers unless you are in secure boot mode (which is a little bit ironic).
It works for News - I've tried it. Problem is that the Kindle doesn't support it on Windows 10, even though it does on both iOS and Android.
But it's only the Anniversary Update of Windows 10 causing the Kindle problem.
The vast majority of systems not running Win10 by now will never run it.
Yes, other versions of Windows will go away as they EOL, but Win10 is not as prolific as they would like you to think.
As machines do EOL (OS wise), I try to get the user to check out Zorin, as an easy transition away from WinAnything... but it's not always smooth sailing getting people to learn new software.
I'm really hoping Android x86 takes hold and blooms, as most people are familiar with it already.
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
The only drivers that should be capable of causing a panic are kernel mode drivers. Video, sound, and NIC.... and MS is only allowing those to be kernel mode because they learned from Vista's shitty gaming performance.
"Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
I don't think you understand the significance pointed out here. The point is not whether this specific issue affects the most people, the point is how low the bar of QC can get when the vendor for the most popular operating system (aggregated across it's versions) in the world can push an update that fails to work spectacularly with the most popular e-reading device in the world.
This isn't an edge case. This isn't an example of an isolated incident affecting the odd OS. This is the result of an update pushed to an OS that runs on 21% of machines, by a company which put a lot of effort convincing users of another 47% of machines to upgrade fantastically ballsing up one of the most basic things, plugging in a USB device to the point of complete system crash.
This is hell significant even if the exact market share is still only in the 20% range.
In that case, no, but its a bit difficult to believe that was the case.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
68 dollars is what it cost me.
It was a sealed win 7 ultimate that I got off of e-bay. It was a gamble that paid off.
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I'd say "sweet", but its Windows 7.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
Well it is about Windows machines. Nobody with any sense has this problem.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Who cares?
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