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Facebook Co-Founder Commits $20 Million To Help Defeat Trump (buzzfeed.com)
Mat Honan reports: Dustin Moskovitz, the billionaire co-founder of Facebook and Asana, announced on Thursday that he intends to give $20 million to a "number of organizations" to help Democrats, and Hillary Clinton, win in 2016. Moskovitz published a fiercely-worded Medium post arguing that Republican nominee Donald Trump is "running on a zero-sum vision" and that his attempts to woo economically disenfranchised voters "are quite possibly a deliberate con, an attempt to rally energy and support without the ability or intention to deliver." He also wrote that while he and his wife, Cari Tuna, have previously voted for Democrats in presidential elections, this is the first time they endorsed a candidate and donated. The move represents a sharp break with Asana and Facebook board member, Peter Thiel, a Trump delegate who spoke at the Republican National Convention and earlier this week published an op-ed in the Washington Post in support of the Republican nominee.
Hillary is a criminal, breaking the law sending classified information from her personal email server. I wouldn't recommend him or the Democrats endorsing that lying criminal. They need to pick a candidate that believes in upholding the law.
Facebook Co-Founder Donates $20 Million to Hillary For Political Favors
But I don't have millions to buy a voice.
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...this should certainly reduce the amount of money in politics.
-Styopa
Trump or Hillary, what's the difference? It is the same bunch of crooks and their lobbyists that will decide what's going on, not you.
So what he's saying is that Trump is trying to pull a Brexit.
From what I understand about brexit none of them really expected they would win and when they did win everyone was like oh well we didn't really mean any of the things we said we were just trying to keep any third party from winning.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
Hey kids, remember when it was evil for those 1%er nazis to illegally influence elections with their dirty evil money?
Well, it's officially OK now that the money is going to Hillary. Obey to the 1%er rich people you little drones!
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
The left is going to furious about this. One of their biggest goals is to get big money out of politics.
(((Dustin Moskovitz)))
Every. Fucking. Time.
the massive H1B's Hillary is going to give out to drive down their costs to hire skilled american talent are probably just a coincidence here? taking more money and power away from independent working class folks and further consolidating it among billionaires and their establishment cronies...now THAT'S something Hillary and FB's co-founder can get behind!
This is nothing new. The 1%ers control politicians. They are all just talking heads for the guy(s) behind the curtain.
...that money can buy.
"Of the people, by the people and for the people" ended a long time ago.
Hillary is already outspending Trump 5 to 1, spending hundreds of millions already - and the result is she is slipping in the polls, further every day.
Part of that I feel is because people get sick of ads, so Trump has been inadvertently brilliant in not having many.
I guess perhaps part of his 20 million is going to directly rig votes in areas where the machines can be altered? I guess that would be effective, but Clinton has already got that covered as much as she can.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Trump is against the offshoring of tech jobs.
Nothing like rank partisan hypocrisy.
I'm not a Trump fan, in fact quite the opposite, but this is disturbing.
No individual should be allowed to spend so much on an election. No one should have this much power. It's not exactly "buying votes" (which is illegal), but it is buying ad-time which can translate into votes.
It is excessive to allow more than $100 per person (or corporation)- adjustable for inflation. (I don't think those campaigning should be allowed to give more than $100 to their own campaign either). It truly is disgusting how much money is involved in the election and how much money influences who wins.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
I have nothing in common with a millionaire new-york playboy. He doesn't represent me.
I am the minority ... I support neither of the two morons or the koolaid their followers drink. Drink up!
Having one of the creeps who started "spybook" come out in favour of the utterly corrupt Clinton just gives the voter yet another great reason to vote Trump.
Stick one on the globalists, the bankers and the political elites.
Vote Trump ! make America great again !!!
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I knew sooner or later people would buy their way into politics to this degree. Kind of sad actually.
So no matter.
Wait. Aren't these the same Democrats that vilify "big money" from the likes of the Koch Brothers? Funny how they scream about that, but didn't say a word in this case, or when Soros donated 8 million to Hillary.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
But I don't have millions to buy a voice.
The donation is only $20 million. I have to think that's barely any more of a voice than you or I have in this democracy. Maybe $100 million gets you noticed.
That's great that they're pushing against Trump, but Hillary is just as shitty of a choice, albeit in different ways. Who's left that is capable of running the country? There's Johnson, but I'm not sure how I feel about him.
I think that the people who typically held that view point were those who were voting for Sanders and have moved on to vote third party (Green or Libertarian) instead of supporting Clinton. It would be hypocritical for them to complain in this case, but there are a large number of Democrats who had no real problem with this kind of politics so it's unfair to fling this in their faces as well.
He just scared another guy into giving them another 20 million bucks. Pretty neat trick, eh?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
[...] Trump represents the majority of Americans [...]
Citation please?
Jeb Bush spent $150 million on a primary race with tons of ad buys and campaigning goodness that money could buy and came in nearly dead last.
http://www.politico.com/magazi...
Money gets your message out but it doesn't mean that it will automatically translate into votes.
If that were the case the new Ghostbusters movie should be the highest grossing movie of all time.
Now it does represent a barrier to entry for candidates without the money/support networks - But - here's a perfect example where one man with the means can fund another with the vision. What if he had spent that much on Bernie's campaign instead?
There is being similar to vs. representing.
I don't care if I personally like or dislike the person. However I want someone who will work for their groups they are representations best interests. It is important for a representative to know and understand us and our needs but not agree on our pin hole view of the world's solutions to our problems that we haven't solved ourselves.
Trump is pandering Bar Room solutions without actually knowing the real issues that affect us. Just because these Bar Room solutions are the quick gut instinct solution we come up with without the need to fully analyse the problem.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Are all those millions buying your vote? If not, then what's the problem? Money doesn't compel me to vote one way or the other. We have the power to make this election between Stein and Johnson, and turn the money into confetti.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Actually it is the 0.1%ers
Trump 2016!!!!
You're probably right, but the Hillary supporters were perfectly happy to endorse that view as long as it benefited them.
You can see actual advertising against the 3rd parties this year, for just about the first time ever.
Needless to say, I don't like either major party candidate one bit. I wouldn't trust them with a used fig.
Good point, neither of the leading options have 50% in the polls and I have a feeling this election will see the winner without a majority of the popular vote as the third party folks are going to soak up more than the margin of victory nationally.
No, I don't have a clue which one of the two will get the Whitehouse.... But it sure looks to be a close horse race this time around.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Right .... as long as your reality shows are on and your Pokemon Go account is up and running you are willing to conform. Your koolaid must be bitter.
Just got an email this morning from Public Citizen, a 501(c)(4) organization that is very upset about the Citizens United decision, which allowed 501(c)(4) organizations to spend money to forward their respective political agendas--but not to donate to campaigns. They want it overturned.
A snippet: "If we lose, the forces of plutocracy — like the notorious Koch Brothers and casino tycoon Sheldon Adelson, the Big Banks and Big Pharma, Karl Rove and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and so many more — would be even more emboldened to continue exploiting Citizens United and dismantling our democracy."
This guy is not on the list. Nor is Tom Steyer, George Soros, or Michael Bloomberg. Nor the millions spent by the SEIU, AFL-CIO, and other unions. By doing so they paint their organization as nothing more than a group of partisan hacks and not as true defenders of the democratic process.
The money flowing from their rich donors and supporting their causes is just a righteous investment in good government...the money from the other guys are bribes.
Speaking of Public Citizen, I recently received an email from them. Now, PublicCitizen.org is a 501(c)(4) corporation, who's primary purpose seems to be opposing the ruling handed down in the Citizens United case. Recall that the Citizens United case hinged on the fact that a 501(c)(4) corporation produced a movie that had a political purpose, in this case a documentary "Hillary: The Movie" that was intended to highlight Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings the first time she was running for president.
The email from Public Citizen was urging me to donate money to support their production of a documentary DVD highlighting how bad the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United was.
That's right: a 501(c)(4) corporation made a movie with the express political purpose of protesting the Supreme Court decision that a 501(c)(4) corporation could make a movie with an express political purpose!
Agreed. It's quite possible this is a business decision so Facebook et al. can get more visa workers, and offshore without consequences.
While Trump flip-flops on those issues, it appears he's more likely to curtail visa workers and offshoring than Hillary.
Table-ized A.I.
Hillary has collected more from the big banks than anyone in history but that doesn't matter because in her speeches/commercials she talks about how she is going to regulate them.
How fucking dumb are people.
Depending on the source, but was soundly defeated on the issue.
Money doesn't buy votes. Ads seldom sway pre-formed opinions.
"Facebook Co-Founder Throws $20 Million Down Toilet"
$20 million could make a world of difference to any number of causes, particularly those which provide aid to the less fortunate in this world. But he's giving it to politics, which is already the largest and most successful business this world has ever known. What an obnoxious waste -- and I say that as someone who believes 100% that it's his money and therefore his choice.
But it sure looks to be a close horse race this time around.
It's not even a horserace according to the electoral college map. Hillary's going to win. She may not win the popular vote, but she will win the electoral college vote in a landslide. Trump can win only if he wins Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Florida can go either way. No Republican has ever won the White House without Ohio. The last time Pennsylvania went Republican was in 1988. If he lose one of these states, it's game over.
Big corporations and billionaires.
Oh, no. My mistake. The correct answer is unions. Percentages are to Democrats and to Republicans, respectively.
1 Service Employees International Union $233,948,108 $231,783,862 $1,295,669 99% 1%
2 Fahr LLC $114,005,803 $113,755,803 $0 100% 0%
3 National Education Assn $109,427,714 $105,078,729 $3,452,808 97% 3%
4 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $98,678,433 $97,694,335 $676,830 99% 1%
5 Carpenters & Joiners Union $80,768,463 $75,823,760 $4,798,328 94% 6%
6 National Assn of Realtors $74,982,087 $26,027,003 $28,258,810 48% 52%
7 American Federation of Teachers $74,932,481 $74,120,164 $363,250 100% 1%
8 Renaissance Technologies $73,792,377 $36,170,416 $36,646,874 50% 50%
9 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $72,175,924 $70,714,074 $1,136,150 98% 2%
10 Las Vegas Sands $70,782,782 $53,240 $70,732,661 0% 100%
11 Laborers Union $68,330,958 $64,165,186 $3,679,066 95% 5%
12 AT&T Inc $65,956,335 $27,437,253 $38,360,404 42% 58%
13 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $65,832,840 $65,272,289 $327,750 100% 1%
14 Soros Fund Management $59,210,620 $54,524,165 $1,813,415 97% 3%
15 AFL-CIO $57,212,102 $52,305,234 $1,286,876 98% 2%
Considering facebook's stance on privacy and free information / free press, if their money is that much against Trump, it's a good sign we need Trump.
Took the IRS to get him. Of course, these days he IRS is a political attack dog with a leash held by Obama, so it will not touch Hillary or the even the Clinton Foundation, which has recently had to redo taxes for several years due to “errors in the report of donations from foreign governments”.
It isn't definitive, but this article works as a piece of evidence. The media has been saying that Trump doesn't stand a chance and they refer to polling data to cement this narrative. If that was true and a Democratic victory is inevitable, why doesn't Mr. Moskovitz save his money? This 20 million dollar effort seems like an act of desperation, which doesn't fit with the popular understanding that only a low IQ minority would ever vote for Trump.
He just can afford a lot more free speech than most.. Only in America! (well, maybe not just here.. )
You liberals should be up in arms over this... Remember the evil Koch brother's donations during the last election cycle and how you all went ballistic about how much $$ they put into their PAC? Where's that outrage now? (crickets)
Yea, I don't care if he wants to spend his money this way. Just make sure everybody knows where the money comes from and where it goes. We don't want anybody getting special favors though making donations or anything....
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Aren't these exactly the type of actions that fuel the support of Trump?
Thanks dude!
So what you're saying is that, if you're a corporation, you should vote Hillary.
Like so many others in the Clinton sphere. Lots of accidents and suicides for people who say bad things about Hillary.
An FBI director who realized that his only chance to assuage his guilt over his role in the charade was to go on TV and say she did it, anyone else would be in prison, but no "reasonable prosecutor" would indict. My bosses at Justice and the WH are reasonable prosecutors, and Brutus is an honorable man.
They found lots and lots and lots of grounds for her to be in Leavenworth, or at least put on trial for. They just chose to not prosecute.
And Bill's tarmac visit with Lynch had nothing at all to do with it...
Trump is way behind in the Electoral College map (which matters more than "Nationwide Poll X says..."). This doesn't mean that he's out of the race, just that he'd got more of an uphill climb than Hillary has. I believe the chances to win were something like 85% Hillary and 15% Trump. So he's not out, but he's also not the likely winner if things keep going the way they're going. If you're a Trump supporter, you would do everything to help your candidate gather more electoral votes. If you are a Hillary supporter (or perhaps just a Trump opponent), you wouldn't sit back and say "we've got this in the bag." If you did that, you would find your preferred candidate falling behind. Instead, you'd donate and help keep the candidate that you are against from overtaking the candidate that you are for.
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If that was true and a Democratic victory is inevitable, why doesn't Mr. Moskovitz save his money?
Because taking the election for granted is the quickest way to lose the election. Mitt Romney was supposed to win the 2012 election. Everyone told him so. He even went to so far as not to write a concession speech. But Obama won the election with 51% of the vote, becoming the first president since Eisenhower to win consecutive elections with 51% of the vote. As Obama demonstrated twice in a row, getting out the vote operations is money well spent and extremely effective at winning elections.
You can take a losing case to trial and prosecute. Juries acquit all the time.
In this case, the reality seems to be more of choosing to not prosecute just to avoid the political outrage that would accompany the proceedings. A more cynical would say it was a decision based on partisan criteria--Obama and Lynch fixed it for Hillary when anyone else would be on trial for mishandling classified information, for destroying evidence (even after subpoena), and any number of other things.
Is it really that nutty to fight fire with fire? If it takes a 501c to reduce 501c scope I'm okay with that.
Those would be examples of escalating ongoing efforts. Now, dropping bombs on Venezuela would be "starting" a war.
It is sure her race to loose by electoral college.
However, if the last two weeks are any indicator, Trump is getting smarter about holding his mouth in check and committing all these unforced political errors and Hillary is loosing ground to the independent candidates nationally. Trump is late getting his campaign going, buying ads and setting up operations in these states, but that effort is now hitting it's stride and I expect him to make the necessary states more competitive over time. Hillary though, continues to face strong headwinds with these E-mail stories and how her story has changed multiple times, how she's not trustworthy and corrupted though that "Clinton Foundation" link during her stint as Secretary of State. I don't think there is any fire behind that smoke, but a wise one said "when you are explaining, you are losing" and she's explaining a bunch right now and the national polls show this.
I don't think we've seen much recent polling in the battle ground states that reflects all this activity and really it is pretty close in most of them. We haven't seen the debates yet, but if Trump can keep from putting his foot in his mouth and stick to his talking points, I dare say Hillary will have trouble. Trump just has to seem "presidential" and he wins sans saying something stupid, Hillary has to somehow keep from having to explain and re-explain all this E-mail, Clinton Foundation, lying business while not letting Trump under her skin, and she's not real good at this debate thing...
No, it's way to early to know how this will play out..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
That's the audio of her laughing about getting a child molester off. The tapes were buried and the media refuses to play them. Snopes still calls it "false" even though we have the audio now.
It's not disputed that she attacked the women who accused her husband of rape and sexual assault.
The current FBI investigation turned up the fact that she mishandled classified information and they said flat out anyone else would be prosecuted.
So yes, she is being protected by the media and friends.
She's a walking dead politician.
At least Nixon had the integrity to resign.
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I'm one of those Sanders supporters and I would still like to get money out of politics. However, I'm also a realist - not an idealist - so I realize that we're not simply going to proclaim "This Isn't Done Anymore!" and separate politicians from big donations from rich people and companies. I toyed with supporting a third party, specifically Jill Stein, but I can't abide her anti-vaccine comments. I'm reluctantly supporting Hillary. For me, it's not "She's The Best One For The Job" as much as it is "On Her Worst Day She's Much Better Than Trump On His Best Day."
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and by far the worst candidate of any major party in modern history, surpassing G W Bush.
But in democracy, the rich shouldn't be allowed to buy the election. US democracy is so flawed. Most developed countries at least have some form of cap in spending.
No, it's way to early to know how this will play out.
It's already played out. It will take a miracle for Trump to win the White House.
The problem is that one of two people - Clinton or Trump - is going to end up as President. While neither of them is particularly likable you have to consider all the judges that they will appoint, all of the cabinet secretaries that they wil appoint, etc. All of those people have a big influence on the direction of the country albeit less obviously that the President.
If you live outside a swing state, feel free to vote a third party, just don't tell your friends in swing states to vote that way. But focus more of your attention on down-ballot races where your votes count.
If you live in a swing state, you are directly responsible for deciding on any delta between the two major candidates, and failing to vote or voting for a third party if you see ANY difference between the two viable candidates--no matter how small--makes you responsible for the winner in areas where they differ.
It's like choosing between hiring 2 doctors to provide health care to ten million people or hiring 3. Yes, it might be much better to hire 100, but if you say 100 your vote doesn't count, so you should hire 3 doctors, even though people die because you don't hire more. If you say you should hire 100 when you otherwise would have supported hiring 3, then you are supporting the people who want to hire 2 doctors, and your choice ended the lives that doctor #3 would have saved.
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That would help hitlery and maybe a few of us plebs too.
Who is Donald Trump again? Oh right... a 1%er
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
When one billionaire elite decides to use his power to defeat another billionaire elite? So American.
Yes, she's terrible but she's not a misogynist. Trump demonstrates he is on an almost daily basis.
The only one who will actually preserve a womans' right to control her own fucking corporeal being is Hillary, thru her Supreme Court appointments, whereas the GOP want to afford American women the same rights they have under Whhabbist Islam.
To deny any of this is hate all women, even if, or especially if, you have no women in your life whatsoever.
If that was true and a Democratic victory is inevitable, why doesn't Mr. Moskovitz save his money?
You are assuming that he is donating out of an altruistic belief in "the good of the country". More likely he is trying to buy access and favors. In that case, donating to a "sure thing" makes a lot more sense.
Sorry bro, Trump represents the majority of Americans, Crooked Hillary represents big business and Wall Street criminals. Bye bye!
Precisely!!! Jeb! ran some hundreds of millions worth of ads, but didn't make a dent: at no point could he even lead in his home state! And here, $20M is supposed to do the trick?
I'm reluctantly supporting Hillary. For me, it's not "She's The Best One For The Job" as much as it is "On Her Worst Day She's Much Better Than Trump On His Best Day."
I'm a Republican who'll be voting Hillary for the same reason.
loose -> lose
loosing -> losing
to -> too
This is what grading on a curve gets you : ). ...
So I guess it makes sense that we're grading Trump on a curve too
Mitt Romney was supposed to win the 2012 election. Everyone told him so.
No. The 2012 election turned out exactly where the polls predicted. Anyone who thought Romney was going to win was delusional.
The Hilldebeast Internet Shill Force is on the warpath today.
Maybe, but I thought Trump looked very presidential when he was on Russian TV criticizing America and praising Vladimir Putin.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
- A wise man once said "If you are correcting grammar, you are losing".
- If you think grade has anything to do with success, you should stay in school and teach.
- If you think slashdot is a "we" or that "we" are doing anything, you are new here.
Including Romney!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
This is your typical "the peasants hate me" so they believe throwing money to support defeating public enemy X will gain them some love. So obvious it is painful to watch.
Sorry bro, Trump represents the majority of Americans,
I'd like some of the same medication you're taking, except in a smaller dose.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
It's already played out. It will take a miracle for Trump to win the White House.
Or an asteroid obliterating the Earth.
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Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
No, but if you say fire is evil while using fire to fight fire, why shouldn't everyone laugh at you?
Okay. No need to loose your shit.
Keep your 4chan shit at 4chan, you dumb fuck. You don't have to post like a retard on every other site you visit.
She is not a criminal, she has not been convicted of anything. Note that I am not claiming she is innocent of wrongdoing, simply that it has not been proven in a court that she did anything wrong. The toxic state of political discourse has insured that anything short of a conviction cannot be trusted to be anything more than slander and innuendo.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Including Romney!
Romney only spent $100M+ on consultants who told him he would win. Obama spent $10M+ on consultants who told him he would lose. Funny how that worked out.
Only in polls of registered voters. The electoral maps are a toss up or leaning Trump among polls of likely voters.
The 1%, Goldman Sachs, and Big Business only support Republicans... this has to be a mistake.
The electoral maps are a toss up or leaning Trump among polls of likely voters.
The electoral map is well defined and Trump has a narrow path to win. If Trump wasn't an equal opportunity offender, he might have an even chance of winning.
A company has no business sticking its ( Jew ) nose into politics.
I hope this fucker dies of cancer soon.
Trump represents Trump.
You need to move from Oregon to a swing state where your vote actually counts.
They don't HAVE to, no...
But damned if they're not going to keep doing it anyway.
And then he decided to hire more H1-B Visa workers from India and fire Americans.
I love how all of a sudden the Democrats are flag-waving patriots skeered of teh ebil rooskies.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Thanks. Now the GP makes sense.
Linux is for people who don't mind RTFM.
Instead of spending $20mil to help another candidate that is going to do (pardon sarcasm) *SOOOO MUCH* for the "disenfranchised voters", how about giving $20mil to "disenfranchised voters"? Your name would be much more of a legacy and you'd actually be accomplishing something other than indirectly displaying your lack of confidence in the publicly noted length of your manhood.
+1 wishful thinking
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Turning out the vote helps Democrats, because there are many more of them. Despite the loudness of the GOP, they are a minority and are much better served by suppressing the vote. They know this and are trying to do this in many states.
Cheap storage VM.
Adopting a "vote third party" attitude at this point is reckless. You should have done that early. You should have been getting the third party candidate up to being competitive during the last 4 years. Now is a hell of a time to get philosophical. You have to choose the lesser of two evils now because we should try to get fucked the least amount. It's too late for a third party candidate. Sorry. Voting for a third party candidate is sealing your fate to the worst of two evils.
If you want a third party candidate to win, starting to campaign 2 months before an election might not be a good idea. Just saying.
Where were your 3 years ago? 2 years ago ? WTF. Now's a hell of a time!
Despite the loudness of the GOP, they are a minority and are much better served by suppressing the vote.
The GOP also know that they need the Latino vote to win the presidency. And yet they keep shooting themselves in the foot on immigration.
If a republican were publicly doing the same thing, the left leaning media loses it's collective hive mind over it..
Hillary is a criminal
[citation needed] And no, Fox News does not count. Deliver evidence of a successful prosecution or STFU.
You can review everything released by the FBI yourself. They didn't prosecute her because she was incompetent, and for her*, they decided incompetence mitigates reckless behavior when it comes to criminal prosecution. Clinton is damned by every line of everything released by the FBI except for this part :"Oh, we decided not to recommend prosecuting her."
You people cling to that line like it's solid gold when every other sentence incriminates her. And why did she have that server to begin with? To evade the requirements of federal records retention laws. Why would she want to do that? I have my guesses.
Anyway, back to the last remaining defense of HRC. What a ringing endorsement:
Hillary Clinton: certifiably incompetent to protect national secrets.
or maybe:
Hillary Clinton: She's so stupid, we can't hold it against her.
The FBI could only recommend prosecution to a corrupt DoJ- you know, the one with the Attorney general who met with Hillary's husband the week before the announcement.
*"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
> I support neither of the two morons or the koolaid their followers drink. Drink up!
It's totally reasonable to not support either candidate (or ANY candidate), but do remember that our system is defacto two-party until we change our election methods. People are going to care, and compromise, because either a Democrat or a Republican will get the votes needed to the be the president this year.
And the $20,000,000 garnered from you the product, is going to fight Donald Trump
I love when people waste time AND money :)
Sometimes a cigar is a cigar, and someone can correct a stoopid grammer misteak without expressing any opinion on the topic. I saw them say nothing about the subject matter, so how are they loosing?
Trump is getting smarter about holding his mouth in check
If elected, then what remains to hold his unforced errors in check?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
He was on Russian.State.Owned.Television. As in, owned by the state. And then claimed he didn't realize he was on Russian state-owned television. The guy who can "read body language" couldn't figure out that "RT" stands for "Russian Television"
I want you to think for a moment what would have happened if in 2008 Barack Obama had gone on Russian state-owned television and trashed George Bush's foreign policy. Butt-plugs like you would have been screaming for him to withdraw from the race and be tried for treason.
You are welcome on my lawn.
> Hillary's going to win.
If Trump wins and I link you to your post, what will you do? Probably ignore it, or have some crazy thing to blame, or just be like "how could I be expected to know?"
You are now on record as not just predicting that Hillary will win, but that her electoral votes will be a landslide. This is a solid and falsifiable claim. Lets see how it turns out!
Older posts of yours (from before the FBI email statement) show that you didn't think Hillary sent emails classified at the time of sending (contrary to later statements from the FBI), imply that you think 16 GB will remain the lowest capacity iPhone, and call Trump a "corporatist" (not falsified yet, but seemingly less likely based on the large corporations throwing a lot of weight into defeating him). Your crystal ball may not be outright covered in crap, but it is definitely at least a little blurry.
If Trump wins and I link you to your post, what will you do? Probably ignore it, or have some crazy thing to blame, or just be like "how could I be expected to know?"
As I posted elsewhere, Trump will need a miracle. If Trump wins, then it's a miracle. We will find out in two months.
You are now on record as not just predicting that Hillary will win, but that her electoral votes will be a landslide. This is a solid and falsifiable claim. Lets see how it turns out!
This isn't my claim. This is the historical record. The 2016 electoral map is identical to the 2008 and 2012 electoral maps. Trump has to do better than McCain (2008) and Romney (2012) — and he's not even trying. Hillary is projected to have 269 to 354 delegates in the electoral college. Unless Trump pulls off a miracle, Hillary will win by a landslide in the electoral college. If she win's the popular vote by 5% or more, the Senate and the House will flip to the Democrats in a wave. I haven't been this interested in an election since the Supreme Court ruled (correctly) for George W. in the 2000 election.
Older posts of yours (from before the FBI email statement) show that you didn't think Hillary sent emails classified at the time of sending (contrary to later statements from the FBI), imply that you think 16 GB will remain the lowest capacity iPhone, and call Trump a "corporatist" (not falsified yet, but seemingly less likely based on the large corporations throwing a lot of weight into defeating him). Your crystal ball may not be outright covered in crap, but it is definitely at least a little blurry.
Slashdot exists to keep me amuse while I'm waiting for a script to finish at work. I love trolling the trolls on Slashdot. Thank you for participation!
And if you are a reasonable person, vote Johnson.
You idiots, you can't talk 3rd party candidate today it's SEPTEMBER 2016!!
How can anybody even know which 3rd party candidate is not a crook? You should have started the campaign I don't know a few years ago. Maybe you should start the 2020 campaign today .. but guess what we have to select one of the two candidates in November. So yeah if you have zero analytical skills and thus think they are equally bad that's fine .. but if you have a I dunno half a brain or more .. then use your brain and sense of humanity to SELECT THE BETTER CANDIDATE.
It's too late for a third party candidate. If you can't even change my mind on that and you are able to reply this comment .. how are you supposed to change the minds of 30% of America in TWO MONTHS? You couldn't do it in years, now you expect it can be done in 2 months? WTF?
Just because I state an opinion that is anti-Hillary?
What I find very interesting is how George Bush who was, by all Democratic opinion, an idiot barely capable of remembering to breath was able to trick Hillary, Kerry, to vote for his war.
Similarly, how is it that Trump--by far the worst Republican candidate in memory--barely trails "the most qualified candidate ever" (really? more qualified than George Washington?) and even leads her in some polls?
This election is truly the giant douche vs the turd sandwich.
Alas, Gary Johnson has been sounding like Bernie Sanders and Bill Weld channeled his inner Michael Bloomberg on a gun-control chant. And Jill Stein? Seriously?
So not only giant douch and turd sandwich, but sides of dog vomit and cat hairballs.
PACs are needed when sociopathic billionaires are running for Pres. Thanks SuperPACs :)
Furthermore, this isn't a direct donation to Hillary, but spread out amongst many different democrat backing organizations. Hillary isn't the only democrat running for office this November and the Dems could be in prime shape to retake the House and the Senate if people don't just assume it's all sewed up already.
If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
Politicians will sic the antitrust police on giant corporations that don't play the game, as Google learned in the US and member nations of the EU, but they forgot to donate to politicians of the EU itself in Brussels.
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if you needed one goid reason not to vote for trump... once Facebook does sonething that's reason enough to junp ship
Hillary views the Citizens United decision, which allows this kind of thing, as the worst modern decision, and seeks to overturn it, or have an amendment that alters, for the first time, the First Amendment.
This money buys almost exclusively advertising, which is to say, the mass production and distribution of speech, directly protected in the First Amendment
Can't have that!
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Remember that in all corrupt nations and dictatorships, people go into politics so they can get in the way to so they can get paid to get back out of the way.
It is ludicrous to think a free press and voting removes this dynamic. At best, it reduces it somewhat.
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So basically just Fox News viewers then?
remember when it was evil for those 1%er nazis to illegally influence elections with their dirty evil money? Well, it's officially OK now that the money is going to Hillary.
Fact checking you. You fail.
The limit on campaign spending was overturned by a republican-dominated supreme court with all five conservative republican appointees affirming the decision and all four democrat appointees opposing. Or more simply: republicans made this bed, now they must lie in it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You misspelled "figuratively".
Butt-plugs like you would have been screaming for him to withdraw from the race and be tried for treason.
Would you have been? If not, why are you mad at Trump now?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Holy shit he made you look like the fucking moron that you are.
So what? I bet they'd let Putin speak on the Voice of America if he wanted.
I could have sworn that the Republicans were the shills of Big Business? Are they the ones that got all that lobby money? Oooops. Seems like all we hear about today are the huge sums that Hillary is raking in....for the campaign, for her speeches, for the Foundation, for access to diplomatic IDs, for classified talking points....
Simply put, Hillary is selling the US. Get in line for the gravy train!
> As I posted elsewhere, Trump will need a miracle.
A miracle? If Hillary wins, the hindsight narrative will be "she was leading in most polls until the summer, and then she was leading in some of them, polls never wrong!". If Trump wins, the hindsight narrative will be "he trailed until polls until summer, and then some started to turn his way, polls never wrong!".
Trump and Hillary have a reasonably close race right now.
> The 2016 electoral map is identical to the 2008 and 2012 electoral maps
I don't even understand how this makes sense to say. Those were Obama's maps. Has Hillary earned the assumption that she's a third term Obama?
> Trump has to do better than McCain (2008) and Romney (2012) â" and he's not even trying.
Every news station is Trump Trump Trump. Every candidate from the start was "well unlike Trump blah blah". Trump is dashing around on his jet from rally to rally, and insulting his opponents at like 5 AM on twitter. Trump has already defeated a large field of Republicans who spent most of their time and money shitting on Trump. And somehow you read all this as "less effort than Romney"? Gimme a break. A Trump loss won't be because of a lazy Trump. That guy is a ball of action.
> This is the historical record.
Hold up, lemme get a roof ladder to help you down from that high horse. Claiming that "the current two term Democratic president had more electoral votes, therefore the Democratic contender does before the first vote has been cast" is silly as fuck. There's no historical precedent that benefits or hinders Trump, and most years there's no historical precedent that is useful anyway. In 2008, if someone was claiming that the electoral votes were "white votes", and that it is the historical record that a candidate of mixed race had never gotten any electoral votes, that would have been a silly extrapolation based on a technically true fact- and it would not have been predictive.
> I love trolling the trolls on Slashdot. Thank you for participation!
A deflection of "I'm too good to be here" is a pretty lame one. I expect a better in the event that Trump wins in November!
Also, if you think I'm a troll, I recommend you research the term.
You've already been wrong on statements about Hillary- your prior claims and beliefs were falsified by leaked emails and FBI statements- but that didn't affect your opinions about her at all. Walking into a thread and claiming to predict the future based on the past should give you pause, given how you were previously unable to even predict *the past and present*.
Only the Republicans do this...they're big business, stock brokers. Ooooops! Looks like Hillary has figured out how to sell political influence.....remember pay-to-stay in the Lincoln Bedroom (look this up if you don't remember!), $200k for 20 minute speech to Wall Street, contribution to the Foundation to get access and diplomatic IDs, etc. The Clinton-graft express lives!
Exactly where is the evidence that the IRS is, quote, A political attack dog with a leash held by Obama? Is it by any chance in the same place as Barry's long form Kenyan Birth Certificate?
/.... folks. If you think Hilary is bad wait till you get a load of Mike "Bathroom Bill" Pence running the show (look it up).
Here's the story: A bunch of right wing think tanks were campaigning for Republican politicians and calling themselves charities. They weren't even trying to hide it. The IRS went after them because hey, low hanging fruit. That didn't change a damn thing about how illegal their actions were. There's a reason it's illegal to pretend to be a charity. A good one. And you're being disingenuous (read: lying through your teeth) when you suggest otherwise.
Christ, the shit that gets Modded up on
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Holy shit he made you look like the fucking moron that you are.
So what? This is Slashdot. You must be new around here.
"The Era of Hope and Change has been one prolonged act of suicide. If anyone had said that Obama would manage to alienate Israel and the Philippines, lose Turkey, pay Iran a hundred billion dollars, preside over the loss of a won war in Afghanistan, lose billions of dollars in military equipment to ISIS, watch a consulate burn, restart the Cold War with Russia, cause Japan to re-arm and go the knife's edge with China would you have believed it? If someone had told you in 2008 millions of refugees would be heading for Europe and that the UK would leave the EU after Obama went there to campaign for them to remain would you not have laughed?" --Richard Fernandez - Belmont Club - pjmedia-dot-com
Pretty much sums up the foreign policy failures of Obama and Hillary.
The GOP attempts to suppress illegal voting, as should everybody.
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Look most of us are in tech, heck all of us are in tech. We all know exactly what Hillary did and how it was done and incredibly screwed up things must have been for her to get away with it. I mean don't even get me started... She didn't want to carry two phones and she didn't want to use the States BlackBerry because she feared they would be able to track her personal email (if their BES even allowed personal email) and she feared FOIA Requests more than anything. It's like the IRS manager targeting Tea Party tax exempt status and using a phony alias email to avoid FOIA requests. People she worked with must have been emailing her @clintonemail address knowing full well that it was not a State Department email. She wasn't listed in the GAL directory. Her assistants clearly took top secret and classified emails from the secure systems and retyped them into an email to Hillary and removed the headers in the process. She emailed Blumenthal constantly because she simply couldn't make a decision without him. She actually tried to hire him but Obama was pissed at his tactics during the second term election. There is a clear evidence trail showing she knew exactly what she was doing but she refused to listen to anyone. She even hired that plead the 5th email engineer at the State Department and he was this outcast nomad that no one in IT knew what he was doing. He would be in IT meetings and such and everyone else was whose that guy? This is the guy who dropped much of the security on her private email server because it was causing emails to bounce and otherwise not be delivered.
It just really pisses me off. On this one topic alone she's done in my book. She should be in prison and she should lose her security clearance. All the pay for play money should be seized and her assets frozen. She deserves to be held accountable for her actions. Anyone else would be locked away by now, it's a damn disgrace.
So it's a donation to the Clinton Foundation? Some pay-for-play action there, mosky?
Hey any of you millennials even alive during the 1970's and 1980's? Cause it's worse now than in the 1970's under Carter. Yet Regan and the GOP managed to turn around the economy in an enormous way. I mean things were really booming in the mid-late 80's. Then it tanked a bit during Clinton years. The housing bubble was the direct result of Democrats forcing Freddie May and Fannie Mac to give mortgages to people who could not afford them. Then all the other companies got greedy and did the same thing. If it were not for Obama's heavy tax and regulation government along with the failed ACA the economy would have rebounded by now. For 6 years companies have been afraid to spend cash because they didn't know what ACA and other regulations would mean for the future.
It works every time it's tried. Reducing regulation, reducing taxes on corporations and the rich produces jobs and boosts the economy. The rich have gotten richer even under Obama and more so because they can keep their money and invest it wisely. But the middle class and entrepreneurs are suffering greatly. 97 Million workers have literally given up on finding work. Government does not create jobs, but companies do. If you tax them too much they won't hire. If you make things seem risky due to regulation they won't take risks. Government is standing in the way of American business.
So from that we can assume you're a millionaire pantsuit wearing 70 year old grandmom who likes to attack women who have been raped by her husband?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
It will take a miracle for Trump to win the White House.
He already beat about a dozen guys who said God told them to run for President, remember.
Trump and Hillary have a reasonably close race right now.
Uh, no.
I don't even understand how this makes sense to say. Those were Obama's maps.
The underlying demographic and statistical trends for 2016 electoral map is similar to 2008 and 2012 electoral maps. All three electoral maps are favorable to the Democrats. Obama won 2008 with 365 electoral votes and 2012 with 332 electoral votes. Hillary starts off with 269 electoral votes, and may capture up to 354 electoral votes.
Has Hillary earned the assumption that she's a third term Obama?
According to the Republicans, yes.
Trump has already defeated a large field of Republicans who spent most of their time and money shitting on Trump.
Trump defeated the weakest slate of candidates that the Republican Party has ever fielded.
And somehow you read all this as "less effort than Romney"?
I wrote that Trump had to perform better than McCain and Romney. If you compare Trump to where McCain and Romney were at this time of the campaign, he fails across the board in all metrics.
Claiming that "the current two term Democratic president had more electoral votes, therefore the Democratic contender does before the first vote has been cast" is silly as fuck.
You're probably not used to thinking with numbers to predict likely outcomes.
A deflection of "I'm too good to be here" is a pretty lame one.
Slashdot is entertainment. I don't give a shit beyond that.
Also, if you think I'm a troll, I recommend you research the term.
If you reply to my comments, you must be a troll. ;)
Walking into a thread and claiming to predict the future based on the past should give you pause, given how you were previously unable to even predict *the past and present*.
This is called critical thinking. Don't worry. It's a skill that most Americans don't bother to learn even if they went to college.
The GOP attempts to suppress illegal voting
Incorrect. The GOP isn't interested in going after illegal absentee voting, even though that's where most fraud occurs.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the...
Throwing big money at a questionable (at the very least) candidate for personal enrichment. I believe they call that "pay for play".
:"They"?
And if Putin spoke on the Voice of America, you can bet your ass that he'd know a little bit about the network he was on and not claim to have been "tricked" into appearing on VoA, the way Trump claims he was tricked into being on RT.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Some people just get flabberghasted every now and again when confronted with what insane hypocrites hard-right conservatives generally are. You know the sort of thing: Michelle Obama wears a sleeveless dress and it's the end of the world, Melania Trump is a soft-core porn model and that's just fine and how can people be so judgemental!!! Also, for the record, I'm not judgemental and don't care personally. People can do with they want as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't care if the first lady is a hard-core porn actress. Heck, for that matter, I'd be ok with the law allowing people to have sex in public. It's just the hypocrisy that's amazing. It wouldn't be so bad if I could believe that these people have learned their lesson and won't be so hyper-judgmental in future, but I know that they'll go right back to it as soon as they can.
Then there's the undocumented immigrants thing. They're terrible and should be rounded up and destroying america... Unless they're married to Trump (and let's face it, there's no way she wasn't being paid when she was nude modeling in the States before she had a visa allowing her to work). I'm not sure how they feel about the other illegal immigrants Trump has employed and even brought into the country to work, but they definitely seem to give Trump himself a pass for it.
Dude, America invented Kool Aid. There is none bigger nor better. Now get the fuck outta here with your Flavoraid bullshit.
Left isn't judgmental at all, though, right?
I think you'll find most everyone in politics is a hypocrite.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
The cold war is over grandpa, and there are many things the US could stand to be criticized on.
Oh yeah, that makes sense! Voting is more than just marking a ballot every two years and going back to sleep. "Democracy" is high maintenance. You gotta pay attention to what your representative is doing during the brief time he is at work and not campaigning. If you watch his voting record instead of his speeches, you will get a much more accurate picture of his position and his character. And at the same time you can devalue the campaign dollar to damn near zero. This whole money issue is bullshit. Blame the desire, not the object.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Trump is saying Putin is a better leader of HIS COUNTRY than Obama is of the US. He has said many times that he does not support Putin's goals - he's just insulting Obama.
This statement outs all the leftists who believe Obama to be a near-perfect super-leader and then leapto the wildly insane conclusion that Trump must OBVIOUSLY be heaping praise onto Putin. That aint it, bubba. The reason Trumps supporters are not freaked-out by this even as most of them are very solidly anti-Putin is that thay have been paying attention to ALL of what Trump has repeatedly said on the subject. They get it quite clearly: Putin's a bad guy whose interests only align with the US on some occasions (like FDR's love-fest with Stalin???) but he's at least leading his government and nation, whreas Obama is a feckless idiot who is more-often seen apologising for the US on the international stage, driving racial wedges through the civil society, and playing golf.
they do not murder somebody else.
I'm all for a woman doing whatever she wants with her body, but I draw the line at her paying a doctor to shove a scissors into somebody else's skull to stir-up the brans and collapse the cranium before ripping off his (or HER) arms and legs. I'm also oppsed to using very strong chemicals to dissolve the body of a third person. The woman can do anything to HER body and the doctor can even help her if he/she is so inclined, but NOT to a non-consenting 3rd human being.
Don't want a kid? Fine. I'm all in favor of you doing anything you choose to do to avoid creating one, as long as your chosen method does not involve creating the kid and then killing it.
When the left drops the whole homoicidal maniac bent on infanticide thing, then we can all get along just fine without slightly unpleasant arguments. Incidentally, I'm also one of those people who is glad the Republicans never gave up on the arguments that forced the Democrats to stop owning black people as slaves. The Democrats demanded that the Republicans give up on that moral cause too, and when the GOP refused to back down on the opposition to slavery, the Democrats split the country in two with a civil war. The right will NEVER drop its opposition to the murder of children just as it was never going to drop its opposition to slavery; some things are non-negotiable.
All states have absentee voting. All but 11 states have early voting, and the majority of those that don't are in the north eastern states. Almost all that do allow one to vote by mail. There is no suppressing the vote excuse anymore, that's propaganda.
Do you actually realize that voting for the winner gains you exactly zero?
Americans really do scare me, its as if being on the 'side' of a winner makes you a winner in some way.
Really, no matter who wins, they will give exactly zero shits about who YOU voted for, and will do exactly what they want.
A vote 'for the winner because I guessed they were going to be the winner' achieves exactly one thing, it marks you as a failed sycophant.
You would be better staying at home.
This is pretty much what most of us here Europe already assumed, Americans being easily swayed by flashy gimmicks and loudmouth "USA, USA" chanting propaganda without substance or context.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I guess what he says is that if you want a solution that actually works instead of one that sounds good but doesn't ... get out of the country before either of those goofballs take office.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Suppressing the vote has more to do with obstacles to voter registration, like excessive ID requirements, centralized voting precincts, the occasional robocall lying about procedures, etc..
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Trump is getting smarter about holding his mouth in check
If elected, then what remains to hold his unforced errors in check?
Totally different subject.. Folks need to understand that winning elections and being president are by and large separate functions, especially in an election year where none of the candidates are incumbents.
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of course your libertarian stupidity supports the buying of elections.