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'Extreme Vetting' Would Require Visitors To US To Share Contacts, Passwords (theguardian.com)
According to the Wall Street Journal, the Trump administration is considering whether or not to deploy "extreme vetting" practices at airports around the world, which could force tourists from Britain and other countries visiting the U.S. to reveal their mobile phone contacts, social media passwords and financial data. "Travelers who want to enter the U.S. could also face questioning over their ideology, as Washington moves away from a default position of allowing people in to a more skeptical approach to visitors," reports The Guardian. From the report: Trump made the "extreme vetting" of foreign nationals to combat terrorism a major theme of his presidential election campaign. But his executive order imposing a travel ban on several Muslim-majority countries has twice been blocked in court. Media reports suggest it has already hurt the tourism industry. The changes might include visitors from the 38 countries -- the UK, France, Australia and Japan among them -- that participate in the visa waiver program, which requires adherence to strict U.S. standards in data sharing, passport control and other factors, one senior official told the Journal. This could require people to hand over their phones so officials can study their stored contacts and possibly other information. The aim is to "figure out who you are communicating with," a senior Department of Homeland Security official was quoted as saying. "What you can get on the average person's phone can be invaluable." A second change would ask applicants for their social media handles and passwords, so that officials could see information posted privately in addition to public posts, the Journal said. The Journal report said the DHS official working on the review said questions under consideration included whether visa applicants believe in so-called honor killings, how they view the treatment of women in society, whether they value the "sanctity of human life" and who they view as a legitimate target in a military operation.
Used to be you could pretty much trust Europeans not to come to America to blow things up or murder people. Now they've taken in so many terrists and their supporters, that's no longer the case... I'm quite amazed that Britain is still in the Visa Waiver Program, because it looks more like a third-world country every time I go there.
How many more agents to do this job? Where do you hold a planeload of passengers waiting their turn? Meanwhile their baggage remains unclaimed.
Totally insane idea.
The USA has lost its damn mind.
Interesting, article been up for several minutes and nobody wants to comment. Perhaps everyone is getting smart and have deleted their Facebook and Internets?
They could just ship their phones through a shipping company before coming to the US.
You can travel without a phone and never use social media.
And how would they get access to financial data ? My bank has an office and I never activated the use through Internet, so no piracy risk.
Sharing your password is against the ToS of every single social media platform out there, including but not limited to Facebook, Twitter, every forum ever, etc. Share your password to your account when you go to the US and kiss that account goodbye.
And that list? Yes, I believe there are honor killings (DING). I believe women need more power in society (DING from any anti-feminist) or I believe genders are not equal because each gender has strengths and weaknesses different from each other (DING from a lot of people). I do not value the "sanctity of human life" in that I believe assisted suicide, under a lot of scrutiny and supervision, should be legal - we have mortally sick pets put down to spare them the suffering, but grandma HAS to be kept alive no matter what! I also believe abortion should not be illegal, so that's TWO dings in one question.
Just ... what are they expecting with this? HONESTY? Or a well-rehearsed regurgitation of the correct answers?
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We can't even get Asshole M'Gunt to share his tax returns. Fuck that guy.
That should cut down the lines at many attractions.
The United States has done off the deep end. I will never be visiting such a douche bag country that would pull this shit. If the States wants less "Terrorists" then stop pissing every one off. Stop stealing from every one and killing innocent people.
El Americo esta muy bweno now-o.
Maybe the new administration can't spell Reciprocity. All US Tourists strip-searched as they arrive at Heathrow? A complete lack of foreign tourists and a drop in all foreign business for US firms? High tariffs on all US goods sent to customers overseas? Since 30% of US commerce is international, that could bring the unemployment well rate over 20%, much like the Great Depression. We could see people camped out under bridges in Trumpvilles, cooking beans over small fires. The world has a way of responding in kind.
"Land of the free, home of the BRAVE"? NOT! Brave people don't fear their world, and free people don't ask others to give up their freedom...
Sooner or later, other countries, tired of having their citizens harassed, will return the compliment when visitors to the US get to their airports.
Most of this was already in place last year during the Obama administration. What is new now?
...authentication works!
US: Give us your password!
Me: Sure, it's 45sux
US: Hey, it's asking for a 2nd code...
Me: Oh, sorry, I'm on vacation, so I left my keyfob at home. No email or social media, I promised my wife. (Note: I'm in IT, and I've made that promise.)
Women in his own country, what chance does he respect women in different countries...
Tourism is a $1.5 trillion industry in the US. I don't know what exactly the split is between domestic and foreign but foreign is definitely a significant chunk (one site claimed $21 billion from foreign tourists in April 2016) and if you're worried about trade deficits then that chunk is especially important.
There are already concerns that foreign tourism revenue is starting to dry up after Trump's election and the (attempted) Muslim bans. If it's actually put into effect this "extreme vetting" will only accelerate that process.
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Just like we do in Israel!
"According to the WSJ", not any Government policy we have seen. While Governments can, and often do, put out crap policies there are the occasional smart ones where experts have input. Most of us can come up with policies that have no requirements for passwords. Simply "add Govt Office as a friend", or "add inspector as a friend". From there, they could see all of your contacts, posts, etc..
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The Taliban, Islamic State/Daesh, Al Shebob, Iran, etc, for achieving one of their major primary objectives: destroying American freedom. Now we're just another xenophobic shithole, like most of the rest of the world.
Up Next: Being jailed/disappeared/killed for criticizing the government, the abolition of non-state-run media outlets, and the declaration of an official State religion (in other words, repealing the First Amendment).
Seriously, let's put that guy through the wringer, see if he's qualified to enter the US.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't born in the country. Have YOU ever seen his birth certificate?
More and more of my (Canadian) friends and family have made the decision to cancel discretionary trips to and through the USA in recent months.
Most people I know who are are staying away aren't doing it because of Trump's EOs or new rules that are coming. The majority are caucasian Canadian citizens, so they'd breeze right in anyway.
It's more that many Canadians that I've talked to feel that discretionary travel to the US is tacit support for Trump and his Republicans. We realize it's a drop in the ocean, but it's the only tool we have.
My wife and her friends recently cancelled a 'girl's weekend' in Seattle. I have a cousin who recently made the decision to go to Cuba in May instead of the Hawaii trip she had planned. Other friends who cancelled a Disney trip. Still others who cancelled San Diego and went to Mexico.
I also know of several people here in Vancouver who booked trips to points south and east and specifically avoided (cheaper) US carriers so they could avoid transiting the USA. They instead transited YYZ, YUL and MEX.
None of these people are radical eco-hippie-lefties. Just average Canadians who have made the decision not the travel to or through the USA.
I know, I know, anecdotal, we don't need you socialist commie Canadians anyway, Trump rules, America's great, don't let the door hit us on the way out, blah blah blah, but nevertheless that's tens of thousands of dollars deflected away from the USA right there in my little sphere, within the last month or two.
...when SJW Judges prevent you from doing common sense things like prohibiting people from countries most likely to harbor those who want to harm you.
So you have to do something that applies to EVERYONE, including your allies.
And you wanted "free" stuff.
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that's what they're expecting. All of the folks you just described will get a pass if they come from Christian countries. At least, that's the plan. Whether it'll hold up in court or not is another matter. We used to have lots of laws/rules about this sort of discrimination where everybody's doing it but it's OK because they do it with a wink and a node and a dog whistle. But we've been chipping away at those protections for about 10 years now.
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You lot have been poking them with a stick for decades, to entirely predictable results.
It's just not us furriners saying that either.
I imagine the Tourism Lobby will have a dollar or two to ..er, I mean, thing or two to say about this.
Alternatively, can you imagine how we would react if the UK decided to do the same with US visitors?
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The cost to personal liberty, the flagrant unconstitutionality, and the chilling effect on US international relations and tourism aside, this is ALSO a bad idea because it will have zero effect on the real bad guys.
If you are a bad guy, why would you bring a phone loaded with contacts? Why would you provide a real, rather than a fake social media account? For a real bad guy, it is trivially easy to circumvent this new check. For the rest of us, it's a massive inconvenience, invasion of privacy, and an almost certain invitation to both systematic abuse and abuse by bad-apple agents.
(BTW, topic drift... I was quite surprised to see financial data disclosure requirements described as "new". Unlike the phone search and social media stuff, the financial data part is _not_ new. It's been a requirement for certain visa applicants for at least 40 years. It doesn't currently happen at the border, but rather at visa application time. Perhaps the reason it's listed as being new is because it now includes visa-waiver-program countries too?)
One way or another Trump will either resign or be removed from office quickly. In the mean time we need to stop all of his executive orders, budgets and laws from being passed as well as prepare methods for quick removal of any that manage to get through the obstruction that we will impose at every turn. One difficult issue will be whether to put Trump on trial for his numerous crimes that are now being exposed. These are not the fantasy crimes such as were claimed against Obama and Clinton but real, hard core crimes that may well include treason. The economic crimes alone are enough to put him in prison for life.
How will this stop anyone besides the absolute dumbest terrorists? Won't they just start lying?
Almost anyone can lie convincingly given enough practice. Look at Congress.
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Canada offers a decent alternative "Americanized tourist" experience.
It says "Tourists from Britain and other countries" then refers to paywall article. Anyone able read the full list of countries and post here?
This idea is completely retarded. When did we become the Soviet Union / East Germany? Papers please!
Mr. Trump, tear down that metaphorical wall, and join the 21st century. We don't have to live in constant fear of foreigners.
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
p.s. IMO the US should return to pre-9/11 airport screening. The US learned our lesson, and nothing like 9/11 will never happen again. Pre-9/11 we all thought "just keep your head down and you'll live." Now, every able bodied man and woman in the US will be willing to risk our lives to save hundreds on board or thousands on the ground, so there's zero chance that an airplane could be hijacked today.
putting the effort and money into road safety or public health. A far better Return On Investment.
What does that mean? Is it the principle of not killing or something much more? Somehow I doubt that a question related to the general appreciation of medical research using stem cells should be on the questionnaire.
I was dismayed the last time I visited the United States, when after the indignity of being treated like a criminal by having my fingerprints taken for the first time, the border official said to me, "Now that wasn't such a big deal was it". Border officials have absolute power. Being on business, I was in no position to offer an alternative opinion and run the risk of being sent home.
Your tourism industry will be suffering. I stopped travelling for pleasure to the US long ago. If I should visit Canada for a holiday you can be sure I will travel via Auckland or Asia and not LA.
Fuck you guys, I'm tired of your shit.
Look at the reports of returning US citizens being required to do so. Shouldn't any non-citizen expect the same treatment? Especially if they are applying to live in this country. Then, when they are citizens, the NSA can keep check on them all the time....LOL
Just ... what are they expecting with this? HONESTY? Or a well-rehearsed regurgitation of the correct answers?
Actually the problem I have is potentially worse since I cannot just give well rehearsed answers because I have no mobile phone and I do not use any social media sites, unless Slashdot counts. So I cannot give them a Facebook account or a mobile phone to scrutinize which will probably make me look extremely suspicious to them.
It's case sensitive.
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People seem to think this is anything more than turning up the heat on the frog pot. We've been getting slowly boiled for a long, long time.
Welcome to the United States.
Zappa had it nailed on the jobless recovery too.
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How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
Let's face it, the US economy is dependent on exports. Now, what do you export? Unfortunately the statistics I know don't declare tourism as an export article, but judging from the GDP data, we can at least start pondering
agriculture: 1.1%
industry: 19.4%
services: 79.5%
80 cents of every GDP dollar come from services. Services are now very, very hard to export. Either you have to send the person performing the service abroad, or you have to get the person using (and paying for) the service here. Since the former will probably not be taxable here, the latter is way more popular.
That's called tourism.
Even considering that most services are for domestic consumption, it's hard to miss that the US economy is heavily dependent on the service sector. We're talking about around 70 million tourists from abroad visiting the US. And I think it's safe to assume that few of them manage to get by on a dollar a day.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Just don't go spouting any bullshit about freedom of speech, religion, freedom from unreasonable searches, etc. Or they'll throw you out as some sort of commie subversive
Have gnu, will travel.
Furthermore, the last time I flew *OUT* of the US, I took all these precautions *AND* had a fresh empty hard disk in my computer in case I was stopped either on the way out or the way back. I waited until I was in the foreign country, downloaded everything over the internet, scrubbed everything before returning, and.... got shooed right through customs with nary a glance. I do not at all believe that would still be true today, so the same precautions would apply, but honestly the only trip I would take on an airline today would be to emigrate, and at that point I will probably just take a car or boat, depending which is less invasive a departure point.
Also for the record: I wouldn't be immigrating to Canada without some serious changes in your laws. Plenty of the stupid IP laws I chafe against here are already codified up there, along with a bunch of other minor but still unpleasant laws. Get those fixed though and I will get to work on learning your anthem and this hockey game I keep hearing about :P (Sadly the rinks out here closed in the 80s or early 90s, so I didn't get to benefit. Also I knew a few people who did participate, including one who got his gut torn open with a skate.... rollerskates are unsafe enough for me, tyvm!)
Treated as anyone should be - as equals. Oh well, that's me banned from Trumpelstiltskin's America then. Good.
... should rule the day.
All countries should respond in kind to any vetting and any banning by the USA.
I'm an American and not particularly proud of it.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Unlike Islam-motivated terrorists of today, the Irish terrorists were motivated by the sense of nationalism, not religion.
I doubt, that justifies their actions, but it does make them distinctly different.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
It is not an insult — the judiciary has no say in who is allowed to cross the border. None. Zilch — it is entirely up to the Executive branch. At least, that's what we were told, when Elian Gonzalez was sent back to Cuba — in defiance of wishes of his mother, who gave up her life to get him out of there. A court refused to grant Elian a reprieve, deferring to the President, who wanted to send the boy back:
To suddenly switch for the exact opposite opinion requires utter disregard for the actual law and earlier precedents, however recent. The explanation, that the judges' motivation is some kind of "higher" justice — such as "Social" justice — is the most reasonable one...
And, before you ask, they were talking about Federal Executive branch — not that of any of the member States (suck it up, California). It was only in 2012, that Supreme Court Justice Kennedy wrote for the court's majority against Arizona:
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
This will lead to the creation of a new industry: making fake online personas, and whole clouds of phony innocuous friends, who can all pretend to be yours. The Facebook pages could go back years... e-mails, shooting back and fourth, all nice, clean, and benign, and you pay someone for the fake identity, and they change all the names to yours, add pictures of you, and give you the passwords. Then you give them THOSE, and not the real ones.
The fact that I, a random shmo, could think of that inside of 30 seconds of reading about this moronic lunacy of "EXTREME" vetting..., it's a pretty fair bet that someone nefarious, or indeed MANY such persons, have not only thought of this, but that this little business is just a-humming along.
Nice bullshit security theater though.
I've joined a variety of social groups on line and gotten bored and left, but not canceled the account. I have some google and yahoo accounts I haven't used in ages, and probably have an AOL account from 20 years ago, no idea what the password was. I don't even know my FB password, my computer auto logs in, and its in secure physical storage at home with my other passwords.
But I can't PROVE that I've forgotten my google+ account password.
Then again, being a middle-aged white guy, I guess I don't need to worry.
Elian's grown up now and he's happy to stay in Cuba. He completed an engineering degree last year.
FTS: "... questions under consideration included... how (visa applicants) view the treatment of women in society".
Methinks VP Pence would fail that test miserably. His anti-abortion stance favours a law that would even prevent even rape victims from aborting the fetuses fathered by their rapists. He made a (thankfully unsuccessful) attempt to enact legislation forcing women to pay for funerals for the blood and tissue ejected when they miscarry. Now that's what I call a positive and respectful attitude towards women in society!
As for the US government becoming an even creepier Peeping Tom when it comes to probing visitors' privacy, I no longer care. I was already saying "No!" when it came to visiting the States, and now I'm saying "Hell no!", so this doesn't represent a very big change. I don't know why Trump is wasting the money that US taxpayers, (not Mexico), will pay to build his damned wall. He's already erecting a pretty effective virtual wall - lots of people around the world are staying away because of the antics of the knuckle-dragging thug that runs the place. If he keeps it up, even the most desperate Mexicans may feel safer with the drug lords, corruption, and abject poverty in their native country than they would in the land of der Trumpenfuhrer.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
fuck that piece of shit
slowly but surely, we are switching places with China.
Is anyone asking why put this into place?
> could also face questioning over their ideology
During the campaign Trump stated that no one should have their religion questioned.
This was after the Pope said that Trump wasn't really a Christian.
One rule for Trump, another for everyone else.
So the casual British terrorist just leaves their phone at home and claims to not have any social media accounts. Or is not having that suspicious? Does one have to have a Facebook account to enter the US? As if any of that has any impact on national security. Rather than destroy the US tourism industry Trump should focus on much stricter gun control laws. There are significantly more people getting shot in the US each year than were killed by terrorists in the last decade. He needs to get his priorities straight!
I was planning to see some places in there but with this kind of new ruling i will now ditch that plan. Absolutely no way i don't share my passwords and contacts to anyone, i have nothing to hide but privacy is very big deal to me.
So for example, an extreme radical Taoist wants a visa. In his long term preparation he creates a LinkedIn, Facebook, Google, Dice, and Monster account. On those accounts he presents a picture of devoted family man with a steady job, and interest in koi ponds as a hobby. His day job as a fishmonger is seen as ironic by the consul and embassy staff. Unbeknownst to the US staffers in one of the encrypted disk images with his secret koi food recipes and pond building design concepts, there lurks insidious radical data. It is in the free space of the encrypted disk image. It itself is encrypted. The password to the encrypted disk image is "koi". But the freespace hidden image within the image requires the use of partition map tools to get the extents of the free space, and use of dd to copy those blocks to another blank disk image created for the specific purpose each time it is used. Then the new image can be decrypted by the usual encrypted volume tools. Once used, dod wipe the freespace after the new volume of secret terrorist sauce was used. It still sits in the encrypted form in the freespace of the nominally koi drive. But odds are no border inspection has a hope of finding it. Make it more fun and force the live version of the terrorist sauce to be in memory only, never backed to the hard drive, or ssd. Another method, in a large executable have a false framework embedded that is your encrypted data. Use the debugger of your development system to copy the framework out of the executable to an in memory filesystem file. Use a playlist from your tunes library as a one bit pad. Not the best as it has definitive patterns but not to shabby either. Run the song data through AES with a key you keep in your head. Then it's a better pad. And again, the immigration agents at the border aren't going to, in all likelyhood, be able to determine the radical Taoist plans for saucing the Christmas dinners with ligonberry sauce instead of cranberry sauce, those basters. This Taoist terrorist is carp. But the border checks will only find the information he wants them to find. He'll appear a normal fishmonger with normal social accounts and emails. His dualist nature hides with his realist presence in plain sight.
Once you've come to your senses and removed that F*tard currently running the show, I'll start rethinking my holiday plans to include your once-great country again. Until then, there are a lot of other places I want to see in the world, especially since I've already spent as much time in the Computer History Museum as I need to :-) Oh, well, I guess the Smithsonian will have to wait. Munich, with it's brilliant Deutsche Museum, will come first.
Treated as anyone should be - as equals. Oh well, that's me banned from Trumpelstiltskin's America then. Good.
No, no. They should be grabbed by the pussy like "any" American would do. /sarcasm
Wasn't it already established that constitutional rights don't really apply while you're stuck in immgrations? They can search your stuff without a warrant, so why should other constitutional protections apply?
"They are taking him nowhere, Mr. Rivers."
I don't mind being asked questions, but I can't remember my social media passwords...
Those non-muslims who wish to associate with muslims can do so, the rest of us (probably 99% of the world's non-muslim population) can just live among ourselves, and you can show us all what we're missing.
Freedom of non-association is the most basic of all human rights.
Who would choose to associate with a criminal? Nobody. So most crime would end, because criminals would be exiled from society, or would have to change their behaviour. etc.etc.
Every country which is required to provide the information to enter the US should also do the exact same to people coming from the US. I'll bet a lot of US citizens will start bitching and scream that it would be ridiculous, but then just tell them, "that's exactly what our citizens have to do when they enter your country"..
Only if we can do it in private!
Last time they held my laptop for a month....
plain and simple, don't go.
For vacation, the world is a big place, there are enough other beautiful, friendly places to visit.
For business, make them do the trip to you.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
All this will do is make me get a flip phone, and a wiped laptop specifically for travel.
I'm not going to give you my password to my real laptop.
In any case it would be illegal for me to do so (not just against TOS).
as for contacts, sure, they can have the three contacts I will put in my fake phone.
And facebook is easy.
I'll change the password to something I don't know, store it on my home computer.
Since I won't have my real phone with me, there will be no way to obtain the password.
Maybe do the same to all email addresses just to be safe.
I am not sure if this is just codifying existing practices or what, but if you watch "Border Security" you would know that these things are pretty standard in Canada, Australia, and America.
The first thing border agents do is to get your phone passwords.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
You are a shameless asshole then. You may find GP's post disagreeable, but it certainly is not a "troll"...
Bullshit. The conflict began, when England itself was (barely) Catholic, centuries before Church of England was invented.
Pertinent quote:
SEC JOHN KELLY: Yeah. You know, pick a country. The thing that we're looking for is when a person comes in, the State Department does these interviews. Someone comes in and says, I want to come to the United States. Then we ask them to give us a list of websites that they visit and the passwords to get on those websites to see what they're looking at. This is...
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
As the US has the death penalty, I'm not sure how to answer that one.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Lucky guy.
in the rest of the world thanks us.
Let's see... If there are improvements in the Star Trek Mirror universe, then you can bet, that the primary universe will simultaneously have terrible things to come. Such as, people become better people in the Mirror universe, and people becoming worse in the primary universe.
" ... value 'the sanctity of human life'... " ... this from a bunch of clowns who think that health insurance, which helps to keep that sanctity intact, should just cover those whose genes and circumstances have helped to keep from really needing health insurance. Any conservative who speaks about the sanctity of life is talking out of their rear end. They don't have any concern for the children once the children are born and they have little concern for the sick or weak. 'Can't afford that operation? That's too bad, you should have been rich. Or not had that car accident that you weren't at fault for'.
If our species or society was the kind to literally let people drop dead the moment something was drastic enough with that person's health, that would be one thing. But supposedly, life is sacred. Just not sacred enough to actually provide sufficient humane care and make it somewhere in the ballpark of affordability.
The U.S.A. hasn't lost its mind. A large portion of it has lost any semblance of humanity.
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It's especially funny watching Brits try to trash the US. You voted Brexit. Half of you for very Trumpish reasons, the other half didn't even know WTF they were voting for. Have another crumpet and take a nap.
There is also the FATCA law that you have to watch out for. A Wikipedia article about it has a good primer. If you plan to retire and keep on living in Germany, then you must consider, that most banks outside the United States won't open bank accounts to U.S. citizens because of the reporting requirements set in the FATCA law, which has been made extraterritorial (because many financial institutions do business in the U.S.). One additional way to counter that would be to renounce U.S. citizenship, but that's a lengthy and expensive process.
Russia aka the Soviet Union at the time was not friendly to Jews either. The main Soviet rocket scientist Korolyov spent time in the Gulags, for example, but not because Korolyov was a Jew. Discrimination of Jews was not official, but there survive many not-so-good Russian-language jokes about Jews from when Einstein lived. The UK or Canada would have been reasonably good alternatives back then. Only that the UK had the rationing system (most likely to avoid price-gouging and extreme hoarding of food to ensure equal distribution to everyone) during the war and thereafter, that lasted into the eary sixties, IIRC.
Trump Facist Dream. Nuff Said.
What sort of hypocrites are the U.S?
They are asking people if they value human life but still have the death penalty. Oh the irony.
the big tourist companies better be called the SOB in the white house and tell him to back the hell down or else..
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVE UP! "No limitations, no boundaries, there is no reason for them."
If I visit, it'll be with a factory-wiped phone. In a factory case, so this looks legit. Then I logon, and redownload all my stuff after customs.
I think there's some lines about that in the national anthem. No longer applies.
Controlling who gets in to the country is why we can have nice things like constitutional rights.
The US under Abe Lincoln during the civil war, being a warzone had large areas where constituional rights took a backseat to military necessity.
In the interest of keeping the US not-a-warzone, we need to prevent enemies from entering. It is better to make rights violations a condition for entering than to be forced to abandon rights at all points within the jurisdiction of the US.
And anyway, the constitution only applies to the Jurisdiction of the United States. If you've no visa and are outside the US borders, you have precisely zero constitutional rights. There was a 1980s SCOTUS ruling about that, so it's a pretty solid foundation to base extreme vetting on.
If you have some prior relationship with the US such as a previous visa you MIGHT be able to make a case that you are somehow under the Jurisdiction of the United States and so due constitutional rights, but that's pretty iffy.
IMO, having read through the Koran, it seems obvious that anyone who simply does what it says would be an enemy to me personally and to the values and culture I think have been and hope will always be inherent in what it means to be American. Moderate Muslims are lying to themselves. Maybe some day they will find their way to secularity. But it's not my problem if they stay out of my country.
The constitution was written in the absense ( to a number of decimal places ) of Islam.
The absense of large numbers of Muslims is one of the reason we can have nice things like constitutional rights.
We should do what we can to defend what we have inherited from the enlightenment, and preserve it for future generations.
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Anyone really serious about attacking the US can bypass extreme vetting very easily.
Who dreamed this up? A third grader with absolutely no experience with modern technology?
Addendum for clarity: Korolyov was not a Jew (AFAIK), but that his being in the Gulags was not predicated on his specific race, but some other ostensible fault that the Soviet found in his person (can't remember which).
Wrong priorities/targets http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
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