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US International Tourism Market Share Is Falling Under Trump (buzzfeed.com)
An anonymous reader writes: The United States' slice of the international tourism pie is declining, according to a new report from Foursquare that looks at data from millions of phones worldwide. The US share of international tourism dropped 16% in March 2017 compared with the previous year. And it declined an average of 11% year over year in months spanning October 2016 to March 2017, according to the report. The drop coincides with the final month of the US election, the Trump transition, and the early months of the Trump administration, which notably imposed a travel ban on people from several majority-Muslim countries in January 2017 that was eventually halted in court but is currently under appeal. Declines in tourism market share from people originating in the Middle East were more pronounced than the rest of the world, down 25% this January, along with a smaller decrease from South America, Foursquare found. The data accounts for the percentage of international tourism coming to the US and not the absolute number of tourists, but Foursquare CEO Jeff Glueck told BuzzFeed News that it's unlikely tourist visits to the US increased while share declined. "I don't think you'd see a 16% decline in international market share and absolute numbers being up. I don't think that's compatible," he said. "The volume of tourism doesn't change that fast."
There have to be consequences when a country treats their visitors the way the US do.
against all other currencies
as he does, it's going to have knock-on effects that go beyond the political sphere.
And those companies and people directly affected by this turmoil better speak up about it. The more voices in the political arena, the better our democracy.
As a Canadian who vacations at least 2 to 3 times a year in the US, I can confirm that we will be curtailing our travels to not only some of the new Trumpisms we simply don't want to deal with (e.g. threat of being heavily annoyed at the border) but the extremely unattractive US Dollar exchange.
Seriously though, Florida and border states (we live next to NY and VT) will feel it the most. We have seen it in the past, and some places will get desperate enough to sell stuff at par.
On a different note, Americans, please come to Canada and spend your money here, we don't really hate you, we love your tourist dollars. Buy stuff.
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A report. From a phone app. An app that might have 1% install base on all cellphonedom. Why the fuck should anyone care?
If another country started to demand people's social media passwords, full access to phones, etc. as a possible condition to enter, I certainly wouldn't want to go there. Who wants to be treated like a criminal when they're on vacation trying to relax and have a good time?
People take their privacy seriously. The word has gotten around that the US is poking more and more into people's data when they visit. There's plenty of other beautiful places to visit in the world, so obviously tourism to the US will go down.
Treat visitors as guests and not suspiciously, damnit.
You are not new here politics.slashdot.org. Plus you can be critical of Trump without being anti-Republican.
Maybe our tourism boards can start targeting the fetish scene.
Not sure why this is considered off topic. If you look at the stories on this site the political/partisan stories get the most comments. There is clearly a higher participation rate for these kind of stories on this site. Some of us may wish this were just a tech site, but that is not the case.
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What does tourism, or Trump have to do with tech?
The free exchange of ideas? A lot of immigrants built America over the centuries.
. . . . the blue-gloved idiots at the Theater Security A-holes. . .
Is the birthrate up or down under Trump?
They mentioned something about cellphones in the summary. That the 'research' was based in something about cellphones.
Which renders the assertion even more tenuous.
Also, why should I care wether tourists come to the US or not? I'd just as soon they come or go, but it's not a concern of mine.
'Tourist' is kind of a derogatory label in the circles I travel in. Back in the era of clubbing and punk rawk, tourists were to be despised. As somebody who doesn't travel a lot, these people who flit in and out and about seem like pests more than anything else.
I was speaking to someone from a tour company that organises special interest escorted tours all around the world. He said they have stopped running tours to the US because they've had so many bad experiences with border protection. If one person out of a group gets held for a couple of hours, they're not only traumatised but the whole tour gets off on a wrong foot.
Another factor is the exchange rate. The dollar was strengthening in the last half of 2016 and thus coming to the US was becoming more expensive.
Enough said.
Not sure what place this anti-Republican political propaganda has on a tech news site.
There are a number of things that are potentially interesting about the article from a nerd perspective.
In terms of electronics and privacy), the data actually comes from tracking people's mobile phones.
But I also find myself interested in the timing of the correlation. Typically international travel is planned months in advance. And if you look at the actual data there's a significant drop from September to October before the election - which would correspond to travel plans made either in early summer or even late spring. And then their data goes out to March 2017. But Trump didn't take office and get going with his actual travel bans until well into January 2017.
So it's will be interesting to see what happens next. It may be that Trump's travel stuff wasn't as bad as people were expecting so there will be a bit of a rebound. But it may also be that now that people know that Trump is serious about harassing foreign visitors to the USA, even if it's not all that bad for most visitors, we'll see the tourism numbers go off a cliff for summer 2017.
One thing that Trump and hist supporters really don't seem to understand is reciprocity - particularly long-term reciprocity - that there is actually great value in treating people well and building up a "bank account" of trust and loyalty over the longer term. Everyone has their bad days. But if you make a habit of screwing people over, there are usually significant negative consequences somewhere down the road.
It was not created by Trump and the Kushner family isn't using it any way that's not available to other businesses to attract foreign investors. Most other countries (like Canada) have similar programs to attract high net worth immigrants.
Do you really believe half the spew you post here?
Your article is about the EB-5 visa program, which has been around since 1990. It has nothing to do with Trump or his family. And if a family member operating a business under the program is a Bad Thing, then certainly even more so is a family member operating a business that recently got terminated from the program for abuse, as was the one operated by Hillary's brother.
And the very article you posted explicitly alludes to the fact that Trump may not let it go on:
Since Donald Trump became president, rumors have circulated among the wealthy of the world about the future of the EB-5 program, given Trump’s repeated vows to crack down on immigration and the increased congressional scrutiny of EB-5s.
Apart from all that, awesome post.
It is possible to show specific events are important but that requires some specialized knowledge to understand. Plainly, you can do it using piecewise regression. There is significant autocorrelation since this is a time series, and as another post mentioned the mentioned seasonal effects are not disclosed here. They are however available if someone is interested enough in research. In this case my point is limited to modeling. Given a dummy variable keyed to the US election duration and conclusion it would actually be possible to determine the impact of particular events in time based on significant changes in the regression parameter estimates. See here for the general idea.
Immigration in the US has always waxed and waned based on the sentiment of voters and the strength of the economy. Yes, the US was built on immigrants but it is also built on the rule of law. There has always been different opinions on immigration and how much. Immigration policy has always changed. Yet, no matter how it changes we still are a very immigrant friendly nation despite rhetoric from the media.
Right now, with a weak economy, stories of illegal immigration taking advantage of badly written laws, executive inaction on existing laws, world examples of increased crime from certain immigration sources, makes it hard to justify continuing opening the door when such risks are running rampant. Then again, we still allow more immigrants than anyone else.
More importantly, aside from immigration in ISIS controlled areas the biggest contention isn't immigration it's illegal immigration.
A very crusty source of 'news'.
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The difference is that Trump and Kushner are specifically invoking the President's name to sell these Cadillac visas. It was so egregious that they later apologized and promised to stop using Trump's name.
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1. Abysmal airline service. 2. Strong dollar. 3. Other countries are heavily marketing (Iceland, for example).
They were specifically NOT invoking the President's name
Trump had, literally, nothing to do with it. Here is a June 28th 2016 article about the searches, but our racist media gave Obama a pass until Trump got elected. And then, before the President-elect even entered office, there was an avalanche of articles about the "new" procedures — not directly blaming him, but planting the negative thoughts in the gullible heads (like yours and those of your adoring moderators here today). Only some of the reports mentioned the truth:
So, no, it had nothing to do with Trump. More likely, the reason is the growth of dollar since last December — vacationing in the US simply became more expensive for foreigners, while going abroad became cheaper for Americans.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
And this is the first time a president's family sought to profit directly from that program
I'll give you better credit for reading comprehension than you may deserve, and conclude you're just flat ignoring what I pointed out about Anthony Rodham because it's just too inconvenient to your meme. Party on.
You're right.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/0...
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Was Hillary president when her brother was selling visas? Was Bill?
Better check that article again.
I'll stand by my statement:
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Typically international travel is planned months in advance. And if you look at the actual data there's a significant drop from September to October before the election - which would correspond to travel plans made either in early summer or even late spring. And then their data goes out to March 2017. But Trump didn't take office and get going with his actual travel bans until well into January 2017.
Do you think Trump suddenly appeared out of thin air in November and magically got elected then? He was on the campaign trail all through 2016, and he was formally chosen as the Republican candidate way back in July in the RNC convention. You're absolutely right about travel being planned months in advance, which is where it took a couple months to start seeing a significant dip after Trump's nomination. His nomination is the point at which everyone realized that it was possible he'd get elected, and where they realized just how horrible American voters were since they chose him.
As EU citizen, can't afford it.
I agree, I did spend vacation in the US several years in a row from late 90's to the late '00s and it went from a pretty relaxed country to going downhill after 9/11 when it came to "public servants" behavior. From just a regular check of the passport and a friendly comment to don't mess with me or you'll regret it.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
The USA doesn't care - they want all your data and biometrics in the great big database in the sky - because the database will magically protect them, (all it really is doing is adding noise to the signal).
The system is wholly inadequate and the design horrible for the stated purpose of catching radical Islamic terrorists and foreign State-sponsored operations & agents.
That's because it was not designed to catch radical Islamic terrorists or foreign intelligence agents/operations.
It was designed for, and is being used against, the domestic population in order to monitor and control them like cattle. "Terrorism", "Russia/China", are simply the boogeymen trotted out to scare the low-info people sufficiently to implement the police state in slow-motion.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
I'm not a fan of Trump (at all), but I think it is a little early to tell if they drop in tourism is a result of his policies and administration. It would be interesting to see graphs from previous years, to see if tourism drops or spikes at certain times of the year (on average). I imagine there is usually a drop in tourism to the northern states, in the winter time, which would affect overall tourism to the USA.
It is certainly possible that his administration could have affected the tourism, but I don't think the supplied data/graphs show us enough history to come to that conclusion.
Ooh, are these the same history books that refer to slaves as "workers"? Because American history books are NEVER EVER EVER biased, nope, nope, nosiree. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/1...
Wasn't your previous signature about community organizers in Chicago? Does that mean you are you on track for 12 or 16 years of Obama-related signatures?
I think the main problem is if you look middle-eastern and the border agents are having a particularly bad day then you might get denied entry for no apparent reason at all. This has happened to several Canadians and apparently without even an explanation. This has caused entire conferences and school trips to be cancelled and or moved to Canada because on a class field trip, no teacher wants to have to deal with a situation where a student is left behind. Heck there was an Iranian Student who was invited to speak to a US trade show on refrigeration because of something new he had invented who got denied entry. Can you imagine how disappointing it would be to lose your lead speaker at a Conference because of such issues. This plus poor currency exchange, apparently gun violence issues and possibility issues at the border are scaring people away.
Canadians are by far the largest group of tourists to the USA. People in border cities or towns actually on the border make lots of day trips. The number of day trips will fluctuate greatly based on the exchange rate between the two countries. You would need an actual study that takes into account the exchange rate and excluded Canadians just shopping for the day to actually make any conclusions. The article is just sensationalism and click bait.
Your Arithmetic skills need some improvement, however...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Was Hillary president when her brother was selling visas? Was Bill?
Ah, so apparently you really meant "first sitting president" -- whatever difference that really makes to the issue at hand (see point 3 below). (I take it you're not far enough gone that you're trying to suggest that the Clintons had no meaningful political influence after Bill left office.)
So returning to your original outrageously disingenuous proposition that all of a sudden America is for sale:
(1) The EB-5 program has been around in its current form since 1990, so it has precisely nothing to do with Trump per se. You don't deny that.
(2) The Kushners are playing under the same rules as everyone. You don't deny that.
(3) The only influence Trump could possibly have on this already-existing program would be to shut it down or otherwise impair it, which would negatively impact all EB-5 businesses, including the Kushners'. You don't deny that.
(4) The observation by an EB-5 business that Trump might change the law and so best to buy now is (a) one that any EB-5 business could make, and (b) to the extent it infers anything about influence over Trump, it says the business has no such influence -- the exact opposite of what you're claiming.
I know you don't like Trump, but you're just trying too hard on this one.
This has nothing to do with Trump.
It has everything to do with the ever increasing idiocy at the border which is colloquially known as security theater. People choose not to visit the country where the border control has the rights to pry into all your electronic equipment and request your social networks passwords or deny you the entrance.
Unlike the politically correct nations that show baseless contempt for the US, terrorist incidents are much lower.
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Unlike the politically correct Eurabia, you're more likely to survive your trip to the US unscathed.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
You won't be missed, as there will be plenty that will visit in your place and enjoying a higher degree of freedom/safety in the US than you do at home.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
You wanted a globalist to be coronated and assume office. The electors, carrying out the will of the people as determined by proportionality, showed otherwise.
Now all they can do is try to smear him with the media.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Previously it's always been a friendly place to visit.
It still is, and safer by leaps and bounds. People aren't disarmed by multiculturalism or political correctness, but by good citizens able & willing to defend themselves against criminals.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Sorry, this has little to do with Trump. Almost all tourism here (USA) starts with airplanes/airports. The hysteria/irrational security of airports and airplanes started a long time ago and tourism has been suffering every year since.
The current issue with a few Middle Eastern countries is just a blip on the radar of how overall tourism has been affected. And none of this even mentions tourism WITHIN the USA by Americans, which is also down because of the ridiculous harassment at airports.
I haven't seen data for 2016 or 2017. Tourism in France has gone up continuously between 2010 to 2015 by roughly 10%. Paris is the fifth most visited city in the world, and France the most visited country. In the same time period the tourism in Egypt has gone down from about 14 to 9 million, but 2010 was a peak year. Belgium's curve is remarkably flat but has gone up about 15% in that period.
No, you don't understand at all.
It's the White House that's for sale, from the Russian "loans" to the visas for wealthy Chinese to the cheap jewelry that Ivanka hawks out of the West Wing. To the Trump Hotels, to Mar-a-Lago to the bottled water on Air Force One. To the overpriced suites at Trump Tower that the Secret Service has to stay in to the (now-doubled) country club fees that are on sale to those who want access to the administration. Right down to hiring his kids to unspecified jobs in the administration. Down to the unprecedented (as in never before) number of lobbyists who have been hired to work in the administration. Drain the swamp my ass.
There's never been a presidency this corrupt. There's never been such a flaunting of the ethics rules. Not ever. You wanna step into the ring to defend this shit? Then you better hose that muck off your hip boots first, motherfucker.
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Well when you roll out the "You're-Not-Welcome" mat, what do you expect people to do?
If I'm not interested in a topic, I don't click on it. Works for me.
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And yet in 1st world countries with gun control the rates of murder and rape are a lot lower than the USA (per head of population).
I don't doubt that Trump is a jerk. That's who we're blaming everything on, right?
But first, let's remember that the U.S. $ is what, about 30% stronger than it was just a couple of years ago? That's going to have an impact on tourism, for sure.
Then realise that the U.S. Is a huge country of generally wealthy people who rarely leave that country. That means foreign visitor tourism, while huge numbers, is still nearly meaningless in proportion to Americans traveling internally.
http://www.eturbonews.com/5332...
96.7% of US tourism is domestic.
Ergo, 3.3% is foreign
Foreign tourism could drop by 50% and most venues wouldn't even notice.
-Styopa
Wow. Just wow. You realize your current frothing has absolutely nothing to do with your original comment, right? Trump Derangement Syndrome will be an official diagnosis soon.
Go take a walk. Read a book -- preferably not one about politics. Hug your children. It'll be ok, really. There's going to be a bit more karma to burn off for the past 8 years of smugness, I'm afraid, but you'll get there.
Right, right, someone somewhere on the internet said something you didn't like, someone called him out on it and it's immortalized in your sig as a persecution complex. I'll repeat my bet from last time that you can't show me a single time you got called racist for a non-racist criticism of Obama (no AC posts obviously).
You failed to come up with the goods.
And you are an idiot, because this observation does not contradict my signature in any way.
If criticism of Obama was racist (why DO you embolden it?) then criticism of bush was unpatriotic which means the "back to" part of your sig is essentially contradicted by the first part.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
That's deflection, right there. It means there's no refutation.
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California's intentionally porous border and lax ID checks permitted ~3 million to "vote" for the Democrat's approved candidate.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
If it's bad enough that Sweden has to file Islamist crimes away under different codes to make them disappear, then you're going to a worse country.
At least with Detroit, you can arm yourself and have the cops on your side. The average no-go area in Sweden, not so much.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The parts of the USA that had slavery were the poor parts. Hence the south lost.
Slaves are _lousy_ workers. Just a historic fact.
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You have no idea what things are like in Europe, do you.
They have much lower crime rates than the US. Virtually nonexistent gun crimes. Much less problem with police brutality and lack of police accountability for the violence they do cause.
Not to mention healthcare and worker benefits.
Instead, criminals just take it as open season on everyone given that nobody can (or will) fight back.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.