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Trump Is Pulling US Out of Paris Climate Deal: Sources (axios.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: President Trump has made his decision to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the decision. Details on how the withdrawal will be executed are being worked out by a small team including EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. They're deciding on whether to initiate a full, formal withdrawal -- which could take 3 years -- or exit the underlying United Nations climate change treaty, which would be faster but more extreme. Pulling out of Paris is the biggest thing Trump could do to unravel Obama's climate legacy. It sends a combative signal to the rest of the world that America doesn't prioritize climate change and threatens to unravel the ambition of the entire deal. News agency Reuters has corroborated the report with its own source. Further reading on Politico (which has also corroborated the news) and BBC. Update: Trump Announces US Withdrawal From Paris Climate Accord.
I always recommend pulling out of Paris.
This is what I voted for, glad he's keeping his promises. Climate change politics are increasingly about wealth redistribution. If it was a real issue nuclear power would be the solution, but nobody seems interested in a solution.
Pulling out of Paris is the biggest thing Trump could do to unravel Obama's climate legacy
If Obama's "legacy" is dependent on promises John Kerry made with the expectation that nothing would need to be done for 6 years, it's a pretty lame legacy.
I may be a grognard, but I'm of the opinion that a legacy is built out of accomplishments, not promises made with the intent of someone else having to do the work.
Trump might get that trade war after all as Europe and other like-minded trading blocs impose import tariffs.
But wherever the Republicans go, Australia's Liberals follow so it's no comfort living here.
I'm ready to place a bet that he's out before Thanksgiving. Not over this in particular but rather over the constant dumpster fire that is the Trump administration and the boggling fact that they keep going from one constitutional crisis to another. Few people still think he'll finish four years; I don't expect him to finish one.
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For being a climate change denier, Trump interrupted her by saying WRONG. And he claimed his infamous tweet claiming climate change was a hoax invented by the Chinese, was just a joke.
Once again, Trump took the independent voters in the middle for chumps.
Now, finally and at last - we can begin to set our standards as high as Syria and Nicaragua!
I can't wait for the good 'ol USA to start living the good life like those guys. Makes you proud.
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rediculous.
Finally some sanity in the world.
Have you seen some of the research on this? The long-term impacts may be catastrophic, and it's already fairly clear to anyone who cares to pay attention that climate change is already started! I find it really hard to believe anyone thought a treaty to cause climate change was a good idea in the first place.
While I dislike Trump's anti-climate change stance, our solution of carbon credits is a global scam used to prevent small companies from developing both here and abroad. Local startups find that they can't afford to pay the carbon tax while foreign land owners just sell their carbon credits (to multinational corporations) and make money without actually doing anything with the land they have.
Imagine all countries imposing pollution tariffs on everything made in the USA.
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While the rest of the developed world and most of the developing world moves on, America will be willingly leaving itself in the dust. We are actively ceding our leadership in the world in many aspects. In a generation we will be playing second or third fiddle to the next super powers. China is high on the list as the next super power. They are where America was 60-70 years ago. Before we became complacent, greedy, unable to solve problems, partisan, and risk adverse to an absurd degree. It's not just about Climate Change. It's about global leadership.
Trump has really highlighted how much power/influence we choose to give to a single person. It amazes me that a president can unilaterally enter into or exit from agreements of this magnitude. If he has any positive legacy, I hope it's a legacy where we decided to further limit the power of the presidency.
If we were to write a book for children of good vs. evil, it would be hard to cast Trump as the "good guy". Even if he were cast as the "bad guy", he makes decisions that seem so clearly wrong that it would be rejected as too cliche.
I'm sure the Chinese are thrilled to be leading the rest of the world as the US withdraws into isolation.
Under Obama, gas dropped to $2/gallon (thus kicking off another SUV cycle) and he sat on a pipeline that would have taken hundreds of thousands of oil cars off the rails (thus putting more biomes at risk).
So...what "Obama Climate Legacy" are we proud of again?
Most of the Paris accord was voluntary and the monetary reparations for damages related to climate change sought by the LDNs seem to not have been implemented so it leaves one puzzled why President Trump would even bother giving an answer on this and just toe the line. Anyway, I'll believe that the world cares about climate change when nations that have nuclear and space programs put catalytic convertors on their cars.
Slashdot is becoming more like reddit every day.
Can we sue the President for gross negligence or something?
-SaNo
Crush the hippie, tree huggers like Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson! If there's one industry dragging the country down with their green crap, it's Big Oil.
I had a dream, bright and carefree, but now there's doubt and gravity
Everyone complains about climate change but never makes any actual positive acts to actually fix it. If governments actually cared, they would invest in Solar panels for residents to get off the grid.
I am hoping Trump kills the funding to stupid programs like this and invests in solar and recycling. I think they really need to bring back the 5 cents per glass/aluminum/plastic bottle for all 50 States and offer a 50-75% solar reimbursement/coupon/tax program.
From the blurb:
> "It sends a combative signal [...] that America doesn't prioritize climate change [...]"
Shouldn't that mean "...that America prioritizes climate change, at full tilt"?
On a more serious note: how can you have elected such a bunch of morons (not that *our* morons were much better, but Trump sure hits a new low).
Just to show how serious this is, they should kick him/us out of the G7.
I believe the science behind AGW, but I do not think these global attempts to restrict carbon emissions are realistic.
With that said, giving up participation in these treaties is a poor choice. I don't mind the US giving up some of our leadership role in the world, but this was low-hanging fruit. It also had the secondary effect of lowering our dependence on foreign oil, which has broader strategic benefits.
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China has double the US Emissions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
India's emissions are gaining.
The Paris deal lets countries set their own goals ('Nationally Determined Contributions') and isn't legally binding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
So really the Paris Agreement is a plan made up by idealogues who want to 'save the planet'. Those ideologues want to set strict goals in the US (and the EU), affecting Western economies, while countries like India, China, and Russia set goals that do little to curb their emissions (and, of course, don't hurt their own economy)
In short, it's political theater that hurts the west.
Pulling out of the climate agreement unfortunately makes me think of this cartoon: https://climatesanity.files.wo...
are FUCKING TRAITORS and should never be allowed to vote again.
if all investors choose a company that manufactures in a country with flawed environment standards then the product arrives to market on time. In the case of USA it will never arrive except by mass export of currency to buy it from another country!
The same is the cause of 9 of 10 US domestic dollars are in the hands of foreigners predominantly druglords: the War on Drugs prevented Americans from competing in same manufactue and caused Americans to buy these illicit products elsewhere.
Concern for safety reduced USA to incompetent overpriced benchwarmers, just like Ben Franklin warned, but I look at it as neo-government invedting in which administrative bodies gain more revenue on penaties and rehabilitation and asset forfeiture than what they derive otherwise.
In your echo chamber he is doing a great job, but when conservative sites start calling for people to pull out of the US, and the people who predicted his win also predict his impeachment you know you may be on the wrong side.
Polling disagrees with that position.
About 96% of voters said they would still vote for Trump, compared to 94% of Clinton voters.
Turning that around, about 50% more Clinton voters than Trump voters would vote for the other side now.
There's a *ton* of people cheering the president, it just doesn't get noted in the MSM. Look to places like Breitbart and Gab and Reddit threads for comments from people who are four-square behind his policies.
And let us not forget that Kucinich put forth 35 articles of impeachment for George Bush, including war crimes, including taking the country to war under false premises, but the then-leader of the Democratic party (senator Obama) chose not to prosecute because "it would divide the nation".
Obama's "climate legacy" being: "I'll do what my big donors and lobbyists want me to do, and I don't care about the economic consequences because I'll be long out of office and have a cool few hundred million in the bank." That "climate legacy"?
I think that was rather a big factor in the last election.
Good!
and his entire staff are mentally ill. Great again indeed.
The question is; What are you going to do about it? Sitting online and complaining is going to do exactly squat.
The way I see it, there are two different groups in this nation. The first group sees that there is a major problem, although most don't realize the full extent of the problem. They want to see significant changes, but lack the tools to properly address the situation. Many members of this group lack the willingness to use the needed tools, even if they were provided. The second group has the needed tools and has demonstrated the willingness to use them. However, they don't think that there is a problem, or that change is needed right now.
I don't know what's going to happen over the next year or so, but somehow I think we'll look back on this as "before everything went completely to hell."
Go on, citizen, stamp the vote card. R or D, your choice.
By first pointing out the US never actually ratified the agreement so it was stupid of any country to think we were in it. Then he could explain how congress ratifies treaties and then say he'll sign it if it gets passed. (Which it probably won't since the pubs control congress but hey the dems can vote for it knowing full well they won't have to worry about the results if it were to pass. Why yes I am a huge cynic)
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
In any multiple choice situation, Trump always picks the one that crosses the stupid line, doesn't pass the sniff test - whatever you want to call it. At some point, even his ever diminishing list of supporters are going to be calling for his ouster. So they can replace him with the even worse Pence.
This is hardly a surprise. Everyone in the business sector was banking on this. Trump basically is doing anything pro-buisness and pro-Russia at the expense of literally everything/everyone else. Any claims he has that security is a primary concern of his is complete whitewash. Germany called him out on lack of environmental concerns and he basically Twittered "the Germans should mind their own business..or else". Thing of it is, it's EVERYBODY'S business. The German Chancellor has said EU has said they cannot rely on the USA to play a leadership role and the EU will have to step up. Trump is alienating all our allies, and getting cozy with historically hostile foreign powers. This should be concerning to all of us.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
Everything you mention is driven by Anonymous Sources. Like ACs on Slashdot, you can't trust them, you don't know if they are real or not, and they are usually wrong.
The White House is leaking like a sieve, yet no evidence of any criminal activities or even generic "wrong doing" has emerged. I would think that if people wanted him out so desperately and they had the goods they would have provided the evidence by now.
Hell, they can't even articulate what crimes may have been committed. All they can do is throw out vague, over the top accusations.
Evidence...where is it?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
He's much better on human rights than Hillary or Obama who are both willing to murder the unborn for convenience much like a certain German leader during WW2. There is no such thing as a compassionate Liberal.
Trump hasn't earned the right to breath the same air as us. Maybe he can try breathing CO2 if he thinks carbon is so great.
Did anyone pull out of a treaty banning Death Star-class weapons?
If anything, they INCREASE the amount of CO2 and water vapor (greenhouse gases) released by cars. This is considered an acceptable tradeoff in preference to unburned hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides, which cause smog....
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By supporting the coal industry instead of phasing out coal and reversing emission reduction legislation, it was already impossible for the USA to reach the goals of the Paris climate deal. Puling out just makes it official.
What's to tear up?
Obama had no authority to commit the US to anything. All he did by signing that was to indicate that HE would use his executive power to guide policies and regulations i support of the agreement. Once Obama Left, the agreement was dead. Trump can simply reverse the policies and procedures put into place and ignore the rest of the agreement.
Nothing in that "agreement" has the force of law. Only treaties that have been ratified by the Senate can have any legal effect.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
and the idiotic polarization of politics in the States basically causing it to drop out of leadership on the most important issue of our time. Sad!
A tax of about 40% or 50% on imports of US goods to other countries which are still in the Paris agreement, reflecting the apparent IQ difference of the countries' leadership, as evidenced by this dumbass decision.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
10-15 years to build a nuclear plant. Costs more than solar and soon more than wind. It is heavily subsidized by tax money so it's not even competitive without free money.
Next Gen future BS that is always 5 years away is risky if new and likely expensive and didn't I mention that it's 5 years away? We've heard about better kinds for decades and still the older designs continue and nobody is making these magical new reactors.
The incompetence of managing nuclear is a real issue and the damage done is measured in centuries. They dilute and make it more difficult to measure than it already is. Coal also helps to make all this difficult to discover and when it is they do FUD against it.
What ever else you want to say about the Paris Agreement, it's temperature goals are laughable. Look at NOAA's temperature trends since 1880. Temperatures have increased by 1.0 C since 1880, already. The Paris agreement suggests setting goals to keep temperatures below 1.5C above pre-industrial levels. From the climate modelling the IPCC has collected, even a complete and absolute global ban on all CO2 emissions tomorrow would NOT reach the 1.5C goal. The existing emissions already out there will ride us over 1.5C before 2100.
Call me crazy, but I really want my law enforcement to put the good of the country above the will of a retarded pumpkin. Ensuring that the president isn't a traitor should be the desire of anyone sane.
Well he fired the guy investigating him...that's usually a bad sign, but most damningly he pulled out of the Paris climate deal to help some corporations profit at the expense of destroying the world
Obstruction of justice is a crime that has been committed.
Trump publically admitted to that one when he said he fired Comey over the russian investigation. Regardless of if there was any collusion or not Trump knew his administration was under investigation by Comey and fired him. That is obstruction of justice. He even double down on it when he revealed to the russians that he had made his life easier by firing Comey to end the investigation.
Trump has also definitely violated the Emoluments clause and could be impeached for that.
I don't know if his campaign colluded with Russia during the election and that is still being investigated.
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America will be GREAT AGAIN!!
Other nations will almost certainly have to impose environmental tariffs on US produced goods as a result. The US is largely a corrupt and regressive backwater these days. Let's hope that the backwardness of US policies, both domestic and foreign, will face some credible opposition from more progressive countries. America is increasingly becoming a particularly ugly example of a corrupt and totalitarian nightmare. One only has to look at who the 'choices' for president were, to realise that the system of government there has long since ceased to function in any moderately representative way, let alone democratic.
Comey wasn't investigating him. That's like saying the President of GM is building cars.
Career investigators were investigating and continue to do so.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Americans need to learn basic economics and basic math too... They are embarrassingly stupid and dogmatic. "wealth redistribution" is a trigger phrase for many of them just like abortion is to another fanatically ignorant group.
% being the way to do relative measures to ensure fairness, they lack a basic understanding of math so they get upset if Bill Gates pays millions in taxes as if that is unfair without any concept of how % wise he pays half what they do.
What kind of IDIOT thinks that government sucks money out of the economy with taxes? Government pumps so much money into the economy we have this thing called inflation. if they did suck it out we'd have something called deflation. Government spending of money they collect pretty much ALWAYS has more economic gains than letting rich people get it. That isn't including how todays investment casino promotes short term shallow growth that outsources your jobs and cuts your benefits/raises... not that you noticed because bad food and clothing are cheap-- so you don't even notice how your income should be double what it is.
Economics is all about redistributing wealth; it's what the economy does and it never does it equitably no matter how much you try to regulate it. It also does not work if you give up regulating it--- in fact it trends into disaster as human history shows over and over - EVERY time far more than attempts to regulate it.
Everything you mention is driven by Anonymous Sources. Like ACs on Slashdot, you can't trust them, you don't know if they are real or not, and they are usually wrong.
You mean exactly like named sources? Who would have thunk.
Even someone who has never been wrong before can be wrong the first time. That is why every statement has to be evaluated on its own.
Sure, it is a bit more efficient to completely disregard sources with a notorious record of being unreliable and that can be done without being fooled.
Blindly trusting sources with a good track record falls under the appeal to authority fallacy.
Wrong.
Comey wasn't investigating him. That's like saying the President of GM is building cars.
Career investigators were investigating and continue to do so.
The Emoluments clause stuff is just plain stupid.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
It's also not moral to persecute people based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc, destroy the planet because it might cut into your profits, put business ahead of people, or dumb down your childrens' educations because they might learn something that disagrees with a pure literal translation of an ancient book? There is no such thing as a compassionate {insert political affiliation here}
Yeah, those types of stereotypes apply to both sides. I wish we would leave political parties behind and think for our selves. Guess I should get my head out of the clouds.
I am an ashamed American! Why should I feel proud for what was done many generations ago? Everybody alive since WW2 has nothing to feel proud of except for some scientists and nerds. The US has been one big constant failure who's inherited great success and wealth from our forefathers. Just like Trump who's daddy made him and provided the connections (corruption) to make it in formerly ultra safe real-estate industry.
We have generations now who are contributing more than preventing the implosion of the American empire. Bush wasn't a fluke, he was representative and Trump proves it. The world will eventually learn to see past the heavy self promotion .... America's only unique export is it's culture.
When I travel, I often pass off as Canadian. If I say I'm American, I scold anybody who doesn't give me an earful because they need to make every American realize they take some responsibility.
Well he said he fired him because of the Russia thing. Sort of like saying the President of volkswagon is responsible for the emission scandal.
You really expect to impeach a president in his first 130 days? Took Nixon like 2-3 years. Even with the massive cloud hanging over Trump, making an airtight case takes time. What a ridiculous assertion that he committed no crime simply because they're making sure they have a case good enough to bring against him.
He stated publically that he fired Comey to end the russia investigation. He specifically fired him with INTENT to disrupt/end the investigation. He then expressed relief at having disrupted the investigation.
There is also nothing stupid about the emoluments clause. It is intended to make sure that the president can not be paid off by foreign powers. Do you think it is a little strange that Saudi Arabia was not included in the countries in the travel ban? The country where we actually have had a number of terrorists come from? Actually quite a number of countries where left off the travel ban list and even a judge noted that the countries left out all have trump properties in them. We don't know for sure if that was part of the reason for leaving them out but that is also why that clause exists. Right now Trump and his family are personally and directly benefiting financially from the office of the president with respect to foreign powers.
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Some of the worst arguments I see on here are that China causes more carbon emissions. Sure imagine you're stranded on a boat with 10 other people and wearing a red shirt while everyone has a blue shirt. You're eating 5 times the amount of rations but arguing that you shouldn't cut back because "blue" is already eating more. This is why emissions per capita matters. Carbon emissions are directly related to food production and general economic wealth of a nation. As a resident of a well off nation, it stands to hurt us the least to cut back a little. The only way China can cut back is to effectively downgrade their economics so badly that it will probably start killing people.
So yeah, wealth redistribution it is, but folks forget that we're already doing that. There are far far more poorer folks out there worldwide and when nature inevitably bites back due to climate change it will hit the poor much harder but we share the same planet. Expect more environmental refugees and don't be surprised if folks start fighting more. After all if you're staving to death because you don't have water or food or a way of living, blowing up your neighbour who seems to have everything, deserved or not seems like a good option.
It's why we should pro-actively try to fix this even if it seems hopeless, letting it go to the latter doesn't sound like fun at all.
" yet no evidence of any criminal activities or even generic "wrong doing" has emerged " Wrong. Kushner, Manifort and Flynn all will face charges for their ILLEGAL ACTIONS that we already know of and are documented. They just haven't stopped and charged them yet because Trump himself may be where this all ends. That investigation will end, and these dumbasses will plead or go to prison.
Psst...guess who made up the list of countries for the Travel ban?
Ya...Obama... So was S.A. paying off Obama?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
So...is the FBI still investigating him, or not?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
What news sources are you reading? There's an on-going investigation, which means they don't come out and tell joe-blow commentor on Slashdot, let alone a reporter the hard evidence, but there are plenty of leaks and reports of the exact wrong-doing. Which should we start with? Kushner and the Logan act? Flynn and the Logan act? His lawyers? The President's direct lies on the campaign trail about his association with a foreign power? The firing of an FBI director to squash an investigation?
Do you think there's a GOP led congressional inquiry and a special prosecutor from the DoJ just for fun?
Everything you mention is driven by Anonymous Sources. Like ACs on Slashdot, you can't trust them, you don't know if they are real or not, and they are usually wrong.
You have a low enough UID to realize how dumb that sentence is, right? Or do you just repeat talking points that support your side?
They can't even articulate a crime they suspect him of.
Can you? Cite the federal code.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Like all investigations, it's coming. Watergate took 2 years. They're only going to get one shot at this, so I'd rather they take their time to cross their ts and dot their is.
In other words:
Shut the fuck up, faggot.
Ya, anonymous unvetted sources, like wikileaks.
" that we already know of and are documented."
But that you evidently can't innumerate here.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
seriously, fuck this guy.
Sorry, AC, we can't trust you, you are probably not even real, and you are wrong.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
While there's no evidence, it's quite clear that this is definitely an likely option and that one should be prepared for this eventuality.
Remember, he doesn't believe Climate Change is caused by humans. As such, any climate change agreement is pointless in his eyes because nothing humanity does will change Earth's climate.
Also, have you even been paying attention to even half the news? There's a ton of wrong-doing that's been going on: communication over insecure lines (see personal cell phone request), undocumented / lied about communication with Russians, not properly separating himself from his businessess (bringing foriegn diplomats and discussing sensitive information in his own highly insecure golf club)? I'm actually somewhat surprised that ISIS doesn't have an operative that assassinates them with an 18 wheeler...
The report doesn't mention how sucking four trillion dollars (as a tax on fossil fuel use) out of the economy actually impacts the climate in any way.
Let me read between the lines for you, using this neat trick some of us have called inference.
Taxing fossil fuel use increases price and reduces demand for fossil fuel. Because people still require the services (transport, heating, powering industry etc) that fossil fuel currently is employed for, demand is increased for alternative GHG-emissions-free means of performing those services in the economy. So the economy is on a path to de-carbonization: de-coupling of GHG emissions from the functioning of the economy. This allows CO2 and methane levels in the atmosphere to stabilize and be gradually reduced. This stabilization and reduction, through physics involving the absorption spectra of various atmospheric molecules times the concentration of these molecules at different heights in the atmosphere with atmospheric temperature gradient factors thrown in, causes the net heat energy gain of the planet to slow, preventing or delaying global warming of the atmosphere and oceans, and preventing extreme changes in clmate.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
The FBI doesn't hand out evidence to idiots on the internet.
How stupid or disingenuous can you get? Amazed people upvote stuff basically asking for classified evidence before any charges are brought. Stunning, no wonder Trump got elected when dumb Americans listen to extremely unreliable narrators.
Well he's in blatant violation of 77 KEK 7777 which says:
(a) Statement of right to non-butt-hurt
All persons within the jurisdiction of the United States shall be protected from impairment due to butt-hurt as a result of the deeds, words, tweets, and thoughts of the democratically-elected President of the United States.
(b) Provision of remedies
The rights protected by this section are protected against impairment by nongovernmental discrimination and impairment under State law prohibiting the sale of prescription or non-prescription butt-hurt remedies.
They are, despite Trump's efforts
If we are all going to die because of CC in the near future, why did Clinton run her campaign on refugee and transgender toilet issues? Even with her close ties to Al Gore.
The answer is that CC is just a wealth redistribution scheme, and that nobody on the left considers it a real threat either.
If they legit believed in imminent doom this would not be so.
Yes, despite Trump's illegal efforts to stop them from doing so.
I keep seeing people say that but all the evidence I can find does not really support that statement.
http://www.politifact.com/wisc...
From what I can find the statement is only partially true. The Obama administration put in more restrictions on travel from those countries and didn't allow the visa waiver program to apply to those countries but did not actually try to ban them. It also looks like the list changed over time based on recommendations from the intelligence agencies.
You also ignored the emoluments issue entirely. It is like you latched on to one small thing you could attack while ignoring the overall issue. That is nitpicking and not useful.
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Back in July 1776 the American-born British Subjects renounced their "British-Subject Hood" for freedom. Although branded as Criminals and Traitors by the British of the day, and in 1814 saw the White House and other federal buildings in D.C. raised by fire by invading British Troops, as then President Madison and employees fled to Pennsylvania, his wife Dolly took command of the White House to save artifacts such as the portrait of President George Washington and evaded capture and certain imprisonment and most certain execution by the British.
The "Paris Accord" is nothing more than "Modeled" hot air looking for a country to bank-roll the Lifestyles of the European and Famous.
Freedom is Choice.
That's quite offensive towards retarded pumpkins.
[...] yet no evidence of any criminal activities or even generic "wrong doing" has emerged. [...] they would have provided the evidence by now. [...] Evidence...where is it?
Trump himself provided the evidence. He affirmed he fired Comey so the "russier" investigation would end quickly. That's obstruction of justice.
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I would think that if people wanted him out so desperately and they had the goods they would have provided the evidence by now.
To a republican senate who won't even commit to pretending to investigate him?
Hell, they can't even articulate what crimes may have been committed. All they can do is throw out vague, over the top accusations.
Awful hard to do when no one with any power will actually investigate him.
And when has that stopped a congressional investigation before? We spent seven million dollars investigating whether Hillary Clinton personally led a band of islamic terrorists to murder soldiers and government employees and that was well worth it, she'll spend her prison time she earned from that thinking about what she's done. And of course all those climate change scientists, without congress we'd never have punished them for using a hockey stick to heat up the earth. And obviously, Congress very effectively ended the criminal organization that was ACORN many times, which as you know committed the double sin of trying to get poor people houses and also something clearly involving legalizing child prostitution.
But for every slam dunk case congress successfully prosecutes like that, there are silly nonsense things like investigating the financial crisis.
For those with republican brains, the above things were sarcasm. None of those things I mentioned as good congressional investigations were based on anything. Republicans endlessly pursue investigations based on absolutely nothing while ignoring serious crimes. "You can't even say what crimes Trump should be investigated on" is a massive double standard, and this should be obvious to anyone capable of voluntarily chewing. If voters held Trump to the same standard as we allow liberals to be held to, he would be in Guantanamo bay by now.
No obstruction then.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
The emoluments issue is stupid. The most you can gin up is that somehow foreign leaders will feel obligated to stay at his hotels.
And you apparently can't Google for shit.
"The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration."
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
"The White House is leaking like a sieve, yet no evidence of any criminal activities or even generic "wrong doing" has emerged."
Mainly because not disclosing contacts with foreign governments on security clearance forms is not necessarily illegal if done in error rather than intentionally, and proving the latter is difficult. Otherwise there would probably be a bunch of people by now.
Then there's Mike Flynn who isn't in the White House any more, but failed to indicate he was receiving money from a foreign government (Turkey) during the campaign and he failed to disclose the same when being hired as the National Security Advisor. That's pretty illegal if true. There's the whole bit where he supposedly told the WH he was under Justice Dept. investigation but was hired anyway, which isn't criminal but is highly questionable. And the quite-possible obstruction-of-justice and/or abuse of power activities of Trump himself (firing the head of the investigation into possible campaign collusion with Russia), which he himself has admitted doing in a stupid attempt to get rid of the investigation even though he had people provide alternative, trumped-up excuses to make it look otherwise.
I accept your point that anonymous sources are automatically suspect (me included). There may be nothing here, but if your standard is "not criminal", that's a pretty low bar to set for politicians, and there's a as-yet-incomplete case to be made that line was crossed by some WH staff such as Flynn anyway. Worse, I'm not inclined to cut some slack for someone who won't even fully disclose his finances because he decided to defy 40 years of political convention by not releasing his tax forms. Again, not illegal, but it makes it more difficult to demonstrate that there is nothing to it.
what with Paris getting her modeling career started at his company (Trump Model Management), and her still being of gropeable age, he must be torn between having more dealings with her and knowing any such "deal" probably somehow benefits the Hilton hotel chain. Classic case of conflict of interest.
then what is the point of remaining part of the treaty?
How many nations who're supposedly part of this treaty have failed to comply at all, and how many others by simply shifting their tailpipe to others?
Remaining a hypocritical member is more damaging to the goals of the treaty. Better those planning to fail gtfo. the ones that remain, that are actually meeting the goals, strengthen the accord, and demonstrate it can be done.
Seriously, the paris deal is worse than the kyoto deal. the fact that China CONTINUES TO GROW THEIR EMISSIONS, says that it is wrong.
Instead, we should require 3rd world nations like CHina which emit far more than they admit AND emit more than what even the west can drop, is a joke.
Hopefully, instead, the GOP will push for a tax on ALL CONSUMED GOODS/Services based on what state/nations the worst CO2 comes from.
All that needs to happen is that we need OCO3 to have precise measurements between states/nations, along with normalizing based on emissions / $ GDP.
With this, America raises the tax on the emissions/$GDP. This will force all nations to drop their emission over time, or lose their export market. In addition, it will benefit those nations that have low emission / $ GDP.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Obstruction of justice is a crime that has been committed.
I don't know if his campaign colluded with Russia during the election and that is still being investigated.
Not according to Alan Dershowitz. You know, the highly regarded Harvard Law professor who says that Trump was completely within his rights to as President to tell Comey what to do in regards giving direction on investigations and firing him for any reason whatsoever.
On top of that, according to Dershowitz, even if the Trump campaign directly colluded with Russia to release the emails, there's no Federal statute that makes it illegal to do so and it rises to the level of shady "political wrongdoing" at worst.
Nothing will come of this colossal waste of time and vitriol.
It's a treaty. If it has the support that people seem to think then ratification would have been doable.
no evidence of any criminal activities or even generic "wrong doing" has emerged.
This is patently false. Who the fuck modded this up?
Pretty sure "liberal" in the US means the same thing as "conservative," specifically it translates to "anybody I disagree with."
One thing I was surprised to see in the comments section on a very balanced local paper (which in my part of the world means fairly right of center, but not run by conspiracy theorists), somebody said he agreed with somebody else, not because she had a good point, but because "nobody can question your conservative credentials." I guess the poster in question was known to the other person to be a "conservative," so that was all the validation he needed of her post. What she said made good sense, and was quite beneficial to the conversation. Why somebody would think it needed vouching based on being by a "conservative" is beyond me.
I'm pretty left of center socially and fiscally, but if somebody I disagree with has a good point, I say that it's a good point. I might even change my mind. Hell, just look at my post history here. What I find with my right-wing whackadoodle buddies (of which I have many), the better the evidence against their position, the more they dig in their heels.
yes, GW is preferable to lung cancer... is that hard to understand?
If I make a list of countries that I dont much like and then the next guy comes along and bans people from those countries, you dont get to blame me for banning people.
The fact that you DO NOT GET THAT, is what makes you a trumpanze.
A baby boomer is ruining life for every generations following his, again. News at eleven.
You guys elected that orange mistake, now you're stuck with it. Some people just like watching the world burn I guess.
Only attempted obstruction
They have Nuclear reactors that can be designed where it is impossible for them to meltdown.
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One thing I was surprised to see in the comments section on a very balanced local paper (which in my part of the world means fairly right of center, but not run by conspiracy theorists), somebody said he agreed with somebody else, not because she had a good point, but because "nobody can question your conservative credentials." I guess the poster in question was known to the other person to be a "conservative," so that was all the validation he needed of her post. What she said made good sense, and was quite beneficial to the conversation. Why somebody would think it needed vouching based on being by a "conservative" is beyond me.
All media exists to manipulate people, they just cater to their demographic. Consensus, or the perception thereof, is part of that. If you come away from reading a newspaper thinking "why was that necessary, fucking senseless bias on the part of x" it's because that was the desired intent for your portion of the demographic.
They will slash and burn the planet. Then when they lose power they will blame the guy who is fixing it and cleaning up the problem because the masses have no attention span and won't remember that it's the stupid policies of the GOP that causes this mess.
Their whole playbook is to destroy and steal and then when out of power and the results of their actions come home to roost they turn around and complain that it was the guy who just got elected! Then they repeat the cycle.
They are systematically and pre-meditativly destroying the country and the plant.
Criminals
Punch nazis!
Thank you Mr. Trump!!!
When the US was getting screwed up the butt, I am not sure the one bent over the rail is really "pulling out".
When China and India plead "emerging economy" status, so they can keep on polluting, it is a farce.
> That is obstruction of justice.
No, it isn't.
> by firing Comey to end the investigation.
Oh look, the investigation is still underway.
> Trump has also definitely violated the Emoluments clause and could be impeached for that.
Hilarious bullshit. Selling services is not the same as taking a gift. Are you going to go dig up and impeach the first 10 presidents for selling exports?
Stop just making shit up.
Or give advantages to those properties through various methods like tax breaks and free permits. There is all kinds of creative ways to give someone a gift and owning commercial properties in their area of control makes it that much easier. There is also of course the opposite possibility where it opens you up to having that property leveraged against you, threats to seize property and such.
>Obstruction of justice is a crime that has been committed.
I think the word you're looking for is "alleged".
FTFY
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You going and earning a dollar actually means that you had something of value the other party wanted to exchange money for. It's a win-win scenario. Taxation, on the other hand, is the government coming and taking money from you, and you not getting anything in return.
Taxes are spent on many different things. They are used for public spending, which means spending on public property - on institutions and services that are not privately owned.
So the taxes you pay are used to pay for:
transport
education
health
law and order
housing
culture, media and sport
trade and industry
environment, food and rural affairs
overseas development and defense.
The "taxes don't do anything for me" argument reminds me of the Monthy Python
Regardless of if there was any collusion or not Trump knew his administration was under investigation by Comey and fired him.
Correction: Trump was being investigated by the FBI. It's a pretty far stretch to think that firing the head of the FBI would have any effect on an investigation by the FBI. It assumes that Comey was doing all that work himself, personally. That would be utterly amazing! No, it's more plausible that he was fired for the reasons stated - Comey liked to violate the FBI's rules about evidence and public disclosure and try cases in the court of public opinion (like he did for Hillary). In fact, Hillary's camp was calling for Comey's head after those announcements for those same reasons - why the sudden change of heart?
C'mon, be charitable and give the left their Benghazi. It's the least we can do.
Besides, it's great fun watching all these "highly educated intellectual elites" spiral into paranoid delusion and conspiracy theory.
I guess all those expensive degrees weren't much inoculation against paranoia and magical thinking after all, eh?
For people who are convinced anthropogenic climate change is both 'settled' and 'catastrophic' in consequences, watch this 10 minute video on the subject to get educated on the modern state of 'climate change science'. Ignorance of the masses is bliss for politicians manipulating people's emotions for increased cash flow 'because they care'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4
He needs to be deposed, for the good of the USA and the world!
The title says it all.
He shouldn't have a problem with the rest of us nations shipping our unwanted garbage over to just outside US national waters then.
The communist U.S. has only the fiat money it prints to stave off bankruptcy. This money is backed only by the forced sale of all the world's oil in U.S. currency.
>> that America doesn't prioritize climate change
I would prioritize adoption of environmentally responsible behavior if I were president.
Are you actually defending the cunt running the nation into the ground, just to inflict a burn on liberals? Reconsider your position.
GW? I suppose breathing a catalytic converter could give you lung cancer but orange air is probably the culprit.
Those like you and the pop media with their own agenda should realize that even if Trump nukes the Paris accord that it does not make a difference.
The agreement has no teeth, it was all voluntary.
The puzzling thing is why Trump even bothers to create drama like this except maybe to slip his big tow up the ass of the Democrats.
One of the very do nothing things beside replicating Medicare, the very do nothing Obama achieved was siging this meaningless accord.
So there you go.
About the best thing you could say about it was that it got leaders talking but that's all they did.
Which is why they renamed it "climate change".
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So you believe that 'Russia' somehow 'fixed' the election? And that most people didn't support Trump?
Funny how the controlled media never explains what they mean by 'Russia influencing the election', isn't it.
Oh, you mean somebody FROM Russia exposed Hilary Clinton's e-mail server crimes? And you didn't bother watching the Trump speeches to see how much larger his crowds were than Clinton's, and how many MORE speeches he gave than Clinton? So in other words, you're an idiot who believes whatever lies the Jew media tells you, despite the ease with which you could find out the TRUTH just by looking at videos of the size of Trump's crowds vs. Clinton's crowds...
The FBI, under Comey, was investigating Trump and his political campaign and the ties to Russia
Just because Trump says that Comey wasn't investigating him doesn't make it true.
So you think the Constitution is stupid? Trump is barred from receiving emoluments from foreign and domestic governments, and the reasons behind those bans are a lot sounder than the reasons for the Electoral College.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
For starters, I suspect him of accepting money unconstitutionally. I don't have hard evidence, but I'd say it's well worth investigating.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Trump has also definitely violated the Emoluments clause and could be impeached for that.
If owning stock in a company, that receives revenue from a foreign entity is a violation of the Emoluments clause, we will never ever have a President that isn't under the cloud of impeachment!
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