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'Star Trek: Discovery' Premieres Tonight (ew.com)
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Tonight CBS will premiere the first new Star Trek TV series in 12 years at 8:30 p.m. on the company's regular broadcast network. Immediately afterward, the second episode of Star Trek: Discovery will stream exclusively on CBS All Access -- the company's $6 per month streaming service... CBS saw an opportunity to leverage the built-in popularity of Star Trek to help fuel its fledgling All Access streaming service. The service currently has about 1 million subscribers and the company's goal is to grow it to 4 million by 2020...
But once fans watch Discovery, they'll notice the show's production values aren't like a typical broadcast show, but more reminiscent of a premium cable or streaming show. CBS was able to justify spending a bit more money on Discovery since it's going onto the paid tier. Sometimes, you really do get what you pay for.
The Los Angeles Times reports each episode costs $8 million -- though Netflix is paying $6 million for each episode's international broadcast rights. The show's main title sequence has been released, and the Verge reports that the show is set before the original 1966 series (but after Star Trek: Enterprise) along with some other possible spoilers.
Space.com asked one of the show's actors who his favorite Star Trek captain was. "I mean, Kirk," answered James Frain, who plays the Vulcan Sarek in Discovery. "That's like, 'Who's your favorite James Bond?', and if you don't say 'Sean Connery,' really? Come on."
But once fans watch Discovery, they'll notice the show's production values aren't like a typical broadcast show, but more reminiscent of a premium cable or streaming show. CBS was able to justify spending a bit more money on Discovery since it's going onto the paid tier. Sometimes, you really do get what you pay for.
The Los Angeles Times reports each episode costs $8 million -- though Netflix is paying $6 million for each episode's international broadcast rights. The show's main title sequence has been released, and the Verge reports that the show is set before the original 1966 series (but after Star Trek: Enterprise) along with some other possible spoilers.
Space.com asked one of the show's actors who his favorite Star Trek captain was. "I mean, Kirk," answered James Frain, who plays the Vulcan Sarek in Discovery. "That's like, 'Who's your favorite James Bond?', and if you don't say 'Sean Connery,' really? Come on."
If it ain't on Amazon or Comcast, I'm not watching it. Not gonna pay monthly fees for yet another streaming service just to watch one TV show.
But which identity group the characters belong to that matters. Welcome to grievance hell - paid version.
... the footballs games don't run late and all the DVRs miss the new start time. Sunday evening on CBS is The Worst Time for TV shows to air.
That's the other reason I'm going to pass on this for a while and wait for the reviews to come in.
BTW I was pleasantly surprised by, of all things, The Orville and how of all people Seth McFarlane managed to pull off an adult story about a hot-button topic without coming off as a nutter extremist for either side.
I should also say that I'm not being paid by Fox, but I would like to boost their ratings because I find that I like the show and don't want it cancelled.
nope. they can't. hell, they can't even get out of casting without doing that.
He's a racist first, a sci-fi fan second obviously. To him, if it involves anything other than white people dominating, it's just not accurate.
Seriously... Why does every main character *have*to be a minority woman? This liberal SJW crap probably ruined what could have been a great show.
What does a persons colour matter to you ?
Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world, that's a very dangerous problem. That has happened before, and it always ends very badly.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
The other day I looked at the web site for the CBS streaming service and as far as I could tell it flat out refuses to tell you how much it costs per month. Now here, right in the summary, is the critical information CBS refused to part with.
LOL. As in being unable to spell "incompetent"? Or turn on the spell checker?
I can enjoy something without agreeing with its creators' politics. And more specifically, Star Trek was never full-blown SJW militant where the hard-left politics was front-and-center. If this new one is, it would be the exception.
Is that "#Issues" comment mean to be a comment, or are you only capable of communicating in twitter tags?
I'm preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best. I've been surprised before, mind you. The Battlestar Galactica remake looked like crap before its premiere too. But it pleasantly surprised me by being the best science fiction show since DS9 (possibly the best of all time). So I'm really hoping that Discovery pleasantly surprises me too. But what I've seen so far, combined with the current absolutely toxic climate in Hollywood (and social discourse in general), does not bode well for this happening. At this point I would be happy if it were even just mediocre.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
They pull another Enterprise out of their asses and retroactively insert it into the timeline...?
Captcha: prejudge. Yeah, you too...
You don't seem to understand. I'm not worried that it might not be racist or sexist. I'm worried that it WILL be racist and sexist.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
"Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world," - Said the guy blaming muslims for all evil in the world.
"I can enjoy something without agreeing with its creators' politics" I think you've proven that to be false testimony given your other statements here, obviously.
"Star Trek was never full-blown SJW" Were you not around for the original series involving a white-on-black kiss for the first time on TV, ever? I'm going to go ahead and call you a liar on that.
No, you're worried that you as a white male won't be able to pretend you're the real victim of multicultural society... as you exist for this purpose exclusively, it appears.
Oh it can work just fine, just let's everyone mind our own business and quit antagonizing other people.
You don't know much about Trek, do you? The Orville is what actual Star Trek would have been like, if Roddenberry hadn't been censored during his lifetime.
Finally, big burly aliens can be gay. Hot young women can be in command. Stiff green cocks can be shown on screen. Beds can be splattered with blue cum.
And yet The Orville still manages to be legitimate sci-fi addressing cultural issues faced by a multicultural crew.
If you think that asking only that straight white males be allowed to be heroes too, not just villains, is somehow the same as demanding "dominance" than you need mental help.
This isn't even new ground. Star Trek has always been inclusive. Just ask Ben Sisko or Katherine Janeway. What scares me is the idea of Trek going from inclusive to exclusive. Trek has always welcomed all races, genders, etc. What they've never done before is intentionally exclude certain ones.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Genre: Science Fiction, Drama
Premise: Created by Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman for CBS All Access, the story of ``Star Trek: Discovery'' begins roughly a decade before Captain Kirk's five-year mission -- as portrayed in the original ``Star Trek'' from the 1960s -- and a century before the events of ``Star Trek: Enterprise.'' The series follows the crew of the USS Discovery as they encounter new worlds and civilizations, delving into familiar themes and expanding upon an incident that has been talked about within the franchise's universe, but never fully explored.
Time for something *new*. I can't be the only one tired of reboots and sequels. Where are the fresh ideas?
Orville is crass sex/fart jokes from Seth, which has a valid audience and place in history, but it's not Gene Roddenberry nor is it Star Trek or worthy of such comparison on any real level. I watched it, it was ok. Orville is not Star Trek, which almost invariably DID have a moral lesson in EVERY episode. You want to deny that for some reason, fine.
You obviously don't know me at all. And you've just unintentionally made an excellent point. Blaming all white males for the actions of a few is no different than blaming all Muslims every time some terrorist blows himself up in a mall.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
No one is blaming muslims for *all* evil in the world. But most of terrorism and a lot of other shit, definitely.
You didn't set out to antagonize, you just set out to be preemptively against something for reasons of political perceptions, got it. Multicultural shows don't appeal to you, we see that. Who asked?
I am more likely to move to Australia to watch this than I am to subscribe to CBS streaming pile of whatever. This whole exclusive streaming content wars for not eyeballs, but consumer dollars is not doing the overall media industry any good.
Sorry, I'm a white male. You know how incompetant we all are.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
That's not SJW at all. SJW would be Uhura slapping Kirk's face afterwards and telling him to check his straight cis white male privilege.
Circumcision is child abuse.
" Blaming all white males for the actions of a few " WHO DID THAT, REALLY? NOBODY DID THAT HERE. Reading is key, but not to conservative victimstance in 2017.
#White male victimstance again
I really enjoyed the latest episode. What I really liked was how smoothly they introduced their hot-button token character. The guy with gender issues didn't come in out of nowhere, he wasn't just placed there. They took the time to develop over the course of three episodes in a sneaky little subplot. They orchestrated a situation that is slightly removed from how gender issues actually manifest in real life, but now they can focus on the issues trans people allegedly have instead of whether or not the character is mentally ill or faking it. Emotional understanding of the problems of these people may allow the viewer to reexamine their beliefs or judgment. It's got a way better chance than anything else I've seen on TV which basically amounts to "I'm trans, deal with it!"
I mean, don't get me wrong, I hold the belief that gender as defined separately from sex is a fake construct and we will find that it is simply an attempt to stereotype people more specifically instead of not stereotyping at all. It's the new astrology. "I am these things because I am a Libra" is no different from "I am these things because I am third gendered". No, you are an indescribable, complicated personality and mind. Do whatever you want to your body but stop trying to escape from the genitals box society put you in by building a gender box to put yourself in. You don't need to be in any box.
What irked me was that while they set up this nice character, people roasted the show for not going far enough in to gender politics while they were telling a very genuine story that seemed realistic (from a psychological and emotional perspective in terms of the motives of the characters). I'm sure we'll periodically have that stuff come up related to gender identity now that we have this character, but this past episode wasn't about that. We got a story that can relate to many things in current culture such as deaf parents wanting their child to remain deaf instead of getting an operation to restore hearing, circumcision, and sex assignment surgery for intersex persons. As much as many people decried it for being dumbed-down, they sure didn't seem to understand what was happening.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
You know, you're a real "up" person.
I give Seth his due. What, too much credit? Family Guy has its moments, let's not pretend it's Shakespeare or something else.
Modern SJW liberalism is very different from the traditional liberalism that Trek has always represented. Traditional liberalism embraced values such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion (including the right the not be religious), inclusiveness of all races and genders, racial/gender equality and unity, non-violence, and many other values that modern SJW liberals today seem to find abhorrent.
Modern SJW liberals are racial/gender exclusivists who openly advocate censorship, persecution, and even violence against anyone disagreeing with them. Those are absolutely NOT traditional Trek values.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
I was going to watch it but since I would have to pay to watch any more why bother wasting my time.
I use to be upset when cable providers were dropping networks in disputes over fees. Now I'm in favor of everyone dropping CBS.
Put it on showtime!!!
The issues of segregation were *real* issues, not some made-up "I can't handle basic adult life" tom-foolery.
Trying to conflate SJWs and their crying because a wrong-think speaker is invited to a debate with actual liberals trying to reduce the very real consequences for racial segregation is a very SJW thing to do though, so kudos on the gymnastics.
Maybe BSG didn't look appetizing to some ( I actually don't agree; having not really been a fan of the original, I though it was a neat concept ), but what it didn't do was actively make it look like it was going to rest its plot on one hot-button political issue as the tent pole of the show. Like I said, I'll wait for the reviews and if they're good, I'll plunk down the 30 or 40 bucks for the DVD in a year or two instead of 72 for a year or "CBS All-Access" right now.
I think I'll vote for Trump again and spread some Russian propaganda just because of how annoying and idiotic you are. You personally.
You are a very angry man. I hope you get the help you need. And I hope you don't tweet your controversial ideas every night.
It doesn't seem like they're doing that?
Be sure to write a book about it like Hillary, nobody cares what you do now. #You're free, fly away little snowflake
What does a persons colour matter to you ?
Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world, that's a very dangerous problem. That has happened before, and it always ends very badly.
That's a completely inaccurate view of the situation.
There is a big difference between women and minorities being given better representation in a TV show and "white males being blamed for all the evil in the world". White males are still extraordinarily privileged in western society, unhinged allusions to some sort of upcoming white male genocide notwithstanding.
If you want to understand what real oppression is then try empathizing with a woman or minority.
I stole this Sig
It's not going to happen. Show is STD.
You don't think it's a problem that straight white males are only portrayed as idiots or villains in many TV series and movies today? Do you not see how villianizing one particular race/gender could lead to a very nasty future? It's happened many times before, and the results were almost always horrible.
If this idea permeates the Trek universe, I would find it to be particularly disturbing. Trek in particular has always been about unity, progress, and inclusiveness. The idea of a new Trek that excludes straight white males as anything but villains deeply saddens me. I sincerely hope that the new series doesn't do this, and that my fears are unfounded.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
When someone uses "white male" as an insult, they very clearly do not value inclusiveness or gender equality. Go back to Tumblr.
As speak as if you crybabies watch anything but bad porn.
You're just not getting it. Roddenberry was a sex-obsessed lecher who wanted to show Ferengi dick on screen, and if he had his way then Star Trek would have been full of sex and fart jokes. Producers needed to remind him that he was making a family show.
I'm willing to bet you didn't actually watch beyond the first episode of The Orville which was mostly just everyone meeting everyone else. You would have seen the moral lessons in the second and third episodes as the lieutenant in her first command situation struggles with the dilemma of whether to disobey direct orders, and the family of single-sex aliens who struggle with the dilemma of what do about their child who was born as the wrong sex while the rest of the crew struggle to accept their single-sex culture.
They managed to find a couple minutes of very good footage, so I'll give it a watch.
I don't have high expectations. I still remember Voyager when every episode I asked myself why haven't the crew or the maqui killed Janeway by the end.
Then there was Enterprise that had that lousy theme song that was just plain irritating.
Or next generation where picard tried to talk everyone to death.
Maybe they can get another DS-9 not going to hold my breath.
They gave her a ship to Captain that was named after a Minivan...
So much for advancing womens roles in society.
Is that number accurate - and is that a million paid subscribers? If so, I'm quite surprised.
But, in any case, our household will not be included in that group.
#DeleteChrome
As thought thousands of die hard Star Wars fans rejoiced in one voice, then laughed at their Trek friends, then went back to Cheetos and video games.
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There is a big difference between women and minorities being given better representation in a TV show
Maybe you're not familiar with Star Trek, but the franchise had minority and gender representation pretty much from the beginning. Minority and women captains and crew have been in Trek for decades now. No one is complaining about that. But if you want to pretend that there isn't a nasty strain of anti-straight-white-male sentiment brewing on the left for the last few years, or that it hasn't begun to infect popular culture, then by all means keep your head in the sand. If the only straight white male in the series turns out to be incompetent or a villain though, I submit that this is no coincidence.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Exactly. That's what good Star Trek has always been about: it makes you think interesting thoughts without trying to ramrod an ideology down your throat. It's hard to do that, and I'm still kind of floored that a guy who made his millions selling fart jokes was able to pull it off so well.
Don't let the olde timey language fool you. Shakespeare's plays were common trash in their day, filled with the lowest of lowbrow humor, on par with South Park today.
Just because it tells the truth about how you white people have never accomplished a damn thing and about how you people have no culture, itbskngd to
My heart of love. You people just appropriate. You have nothing of your own. You have no flavor. Star Trek shows white people are nothing.
No, I'm worried that the liberal movement that I was once proud to be a part of is turning white males into the new "dirty jews," and the horrible things that could lead to. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
> no flavor
And that's the biggest reason those white people shouldn't be allowed to work in the entertainment industry. They white bread everything they touch. They suck the culture and even life out of everything around them. Just look how Trump made people admit their hatred of this country. They shit on the flag and on the national anthem because a white person made them to. That is destroying this country because Trump made them admit how they be.
No one has to be a victim if we can all agree to stop scapegoating one another. That used to be the Trek vision--unity, equality, progress, and inclusiveness. I hope this new series doesn't change that.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Except now the blacks (at least on college) want that segregation from whites. Go figure.
Unless it's at least R rated with fully nude green alien women on stripper poles.
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
and I'm still kind of floored that a guy who made his millions selling fart jokes was able to pull it off so well.
The episode I think you're referring to was directed by Brannon Braga.
Why would she do that when the kiss was forced on BOTH of them without eithers consent?
A public school in Toronto had this forced on them. It didn't last the first year because it wasn't the black people but a few black LOUDMOUTHS who wanted it. Funny that their reason was that the black kids needed to be taught the black way because they don't learn the same way as the whites.
I'll wait until several seasons pass (if they're lucky!) before checking out the DVD and/or Bluray releases from the library.
Honestly from what little I've seen it doesn't seem very appealing.
I mean, what did they do with the Klingons, turn them into two legged upright dragons?
Horrible.
Even the actor who played Worf has better ideas:
https://www.twitter.com/akawor...
I think you are making a dangerous mistake here. It is not 'blacks' that want segregation, it is the SJW crowd.
You just don't seem to be paying attention. Google what free speech means
Nothing to be afraid of really. We've been told all along that if we can't identify with the characters in gender and race, then it can't be enjoyed. I don't see how anything new is being said, only who is saying it.
You're confusing "afraid of" with "tired of whiny identity politics virtue signaling being mistaken for actual insight, or for anything remotely entertaining."
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
That is true, and that probably helped a lot. The episode was written by Seth, though.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
I sort of got the idea that Seth pitched it as "Fart Trek" so that Fox would green-light it, if the promo was any indication. Sure, it's snarky, tropey, and irreverent, but it actually does a good job of presenting a mid-tier Star Trek type plot, but with a dysfunctional crew. Seth could have gone full-on "Married With Crew" (well this is Fox ya know), but kept the divorce thing down to just inter-character tension and a source of snarks.
The third episode sort of inverted current political correctness about gender in a way that I'm sure triggers the hell out of SJWs. And then it subverted the usual Star Trek ending by having it happen anyhow.
Also, I'm impressed that they don't have transporters, that technology is just a bit too magic, and Star Trek always had to come up with plot points to keep them from working.
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Ho-hum. I'll be over here enjoying the superior The Orville.
the first hit is free and then it's dollars all the way down!
"I've been waiting for you..."
IMO this dist. method is very anti-Federation. Haven't the Federation moved beyond the need to purchase goods on Earth?
I like Star Wars better than Star Trek, but I really enjoy both.
I've often wondered, are there really a lot of people who just like one or the other? I've not really seen any evidence of that among my friends either.
Basically the majority of us just enjoy a good story (and sometimes just awesome special effects for the heck of it), and just want something either enjoyable or thought provoking (or both) to watch. I think most of us judge individual efforts set in any Sci-Fi Fi universe against these simple metrics...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
No, (s)he was right the first time.
Im surprised that guy made this show honestly. I hate all his other stuff but loving Orville so far. Its basically ST with a less competent crew, which is ok, not everyone can be Picard. They even went a step beyond and ended the last episode on a sour note where in trek the Moclans would have seen the error of their ways and changed cultural norms instantly
How do you expect CBS to broadcast EVERY SHOW THEY HAVE in existence with in a 24 hour broadcast period, on one channel?
Star trek is so inclusive it almost had a russian character rape a klingon female character.
If they really cared about their audience their captain would be half man half woman, and a mixture of various breeds of human. This would also include:
Cross-eyed? Check.
Bound to a wheelchair? Check
On an Anti-Depressant? Check
I mean, instead of like Voyager where you have a chick for a captain, a black guy as a vulcan and so on, you can shoot 50 birds with 1 stone and introduce characters who each have mixtures of races, sexes, disabilities what have you.
I want a flaming homosexual as chief engineer, always hiding in tubes and wrestling with hot oil with other flaming homosexuals while he diverts his workload to his thirsty homosexual students.
I want a woman who is a Chinese acrobat midget as first officer.
You did literally and exactly that, explicitly, repeatedly... You fucking liar.
You've just proven his point and you're too stupid (or filled with hate) to realize it. Better look in the mirror and understand who you are before attacking other people.
Wait, Enterprise took place before TOS. That timeline doesnâ(TM)t even begin to add up.
Iâ(TM)ll be sure to mention their extraordinary privilege to the white guys I see sleeping in doorways every day. Iâ(TM)m sure theyâ(TM)ll be happy to hear about it.
This must be all so hard for you, multi-racial "everyone is equal under the 14th amendment" America... aww.
Black SJWs? That make it less dangerous?
Doubling down on crappy looking Klingons
Trailers filled with NOTHING but weapons fire and CG overload
gay/trans/ethnic political bullshit turned up to 11
I have to pay to see the rest of a TV series
If I pay to see the rest of a TV series I should expect to be rewarded with spyware installed on whatever I'm watching from.
CBS all access privacy policy says:
"Websites or other services you visited before and after visiting a CBS Interactive Services"
"Information about your interactions with audio and video content, such as the type of content listened to (including music applications such as iTunes, Spotify and Last.fm) and content viewed, and information about your interactions with email messages, such as the links clicked on and whether the messages were opened or forwarded;"
"Upon request, your bandwidth speed and information about the software programs installed on your computer including registry key information; and"
So basically if you watch Star trek you should assume spyware will be installed on whatever your watching it from to spy on EVERYTHING you do even if it has NOTHING to do with CBS all access.
This will be the first star trek I don't even bother watching even out of curiosity.
The sad thing is that the 21st century incarnation of the hard left is turning into the mirror image of the hard right with the same rhetoric of hatred and division albeit directed at different targets. Are you proud to be part of a movement that laughs at and dismisses the homeless and mentally ill because of their physical characteristics? Whatever happened to liberal compassion?
Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world, that's a very dangerous problem. That has happened before, and it always ends very badly.
You were against social justice 11 minutes before this, and now you are for it.
You are an idiot that desperately needs to get laid somehow... Go to a Nevada brothel or something... maybe then you'll stop hating women so much. I'm sorry that they don't worship you the way you like, but there are ways to successfully attract and date someone. You have to let go of the anger first. Women don't owe you anything.
Too bad CBS hates Star Trek so much it felt it needed to teach it a lesson.
The future is gonna be great, get over it.
Modern SJW liberals are racial/gender exclusivists who openly advocate censorship, persecution, and even violence against anyone disagreeing with them. Those are absolutely NOT traditional Trek values.
I can see where you could get that impression. While you can run into these people (and they get press coverage), and you more frequently run into people who you might believe are like this because of the context in which you see them, this is generally NOT true of the vast majority of SJW liberals.
I've known many people who fit into the SJW liberal category, many of whom are incredibly selfless people working for a pittance of what they could make in the private market doing basically public service for nonprofits or government because they believe in helping people. They don't exclude people because of their race or gender, and while they may not believe everyone should get a microphone, they don't generally believe in censoring or persecuting people either.
(The only big exception I've seen lately is there is some disagreement about whether it is okay to punch an actual Nazi in the face.)
Yawn.
The third episode sort of inverted current political correctness about gender in a way that I'm sure triggers the hell out of SJWs. And then it subverted the usual Star Trek ending by having it happen anyhow.
No it didn't subvert Trek. Go back and watch how TNG portrayed a minority heterosexual female persecuted by a society with a lesbian majority. The minority lost.
The crew of Orville made their case for gender rights within the legal system of a union member planet, and they lost. See how they accepted the decision of the jury without question. The planet just wasn't ready for gender equality, and forcing the issue would risk war. No, they did what they could within the limits of their civil society.
Also, I'm impressed that they don't have transporters, that technology is just a bit too magic, and Star Trek always had to come up with plot points to keep them from working.
They do have transporters. Try to pay attention.
Why would she do that when the kiss was forced on BOTH of them without eithers consent?
Because he's a man and it's still somehow his fault.
Yeah. All the claims of being x-phobic are made simply because being fearful is not a virtue. Calling someone fearful is a veiled insult essentially designed to shut them up and force compliance to the latest bonkers assertions of the SJWs.
Oh, that's interesting. Can you name many TV series and many movies where that's true?
for a rehashed program that you know will be nothing but social commentary 100% of the time, there's always magnetic links.
When will Blake's 7 come back ?
Who would do it properly ?
That's unfair. I'm sure he blames some things on commies and faggots.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
As long as you're not a hetero white male, of course, and define Nazi as someone voting republican
I tuned in all I see is Oprah at a table with obese people talking about Trump.
I just found out today that Fox moved Seth McFarlane's Star Trek spoof to Thursday - that's two episodes I have missed!!!!
You should really try responding... He fucking obliterated you. Your deflection and childish tantrum is embarrassing, and proves him right.
Reducing modern feminism to just manhaters is like those same manhaters reducing all white men to rapists. Feminism is all about equality. A basic, competent reading of any feminist text makes that clear. Try reading the Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir where she says both men and women are complicit in the subjugation of women.
This all started when they decided you had to have midichlorians and did away with the egalitarian outlook in Star Wars... Everything was fine before JarJar!
Orville seems plenty multicultural to me. Perhaps it's because you just don't understand the cultures?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Did you miss the constant anti-divorce morality story line? Or maybe the "transgender is idiotic" morality story line?
Every episode so far has had major morality story lines, even if they were ripped from STTNG or STOS.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world, that's a very dangerous problem. That has happened before, and it always ends very badly.
You were against social justice 11 minutes before this, and now you are for it.
I think the confusion stems from the different interpretations of "justice". Batman Begins has an overt (and excellent, IMO) demonstration of the two types, where Katie Holmes' character expresses it as "harmony", and Liam Neeson's character defines it as "balance". The term "SJW" is used as a pejorative against those who define justice as balance, primarily because saying "X group harmed Y group in the past, so let's turn the tables on X" doesn't actually improve the situation. It just perpetuates injustice/disharmony.
...there IS a reason for CBS All Access, to stream those shows.
Between the goddamn camera circling circling circling around everyone - HOLD STILL - and the nonstop JJAbramsLensFlares I've already decided No Thanks.
And it is far better than whatever swill will come out of either Trek or Wars in the next ten years.
Face it, Trek and Wars had their period, and now it is time to pass the torch to their replacements, whether lampooning their plotlines (Orville covers Trek, and Tenchi Muyo covered Wars 10-25 years ago... With a bickering and possessive harem, not just a harem girl outfit!) or taking a serious alternative look at the future and delving into topics, whether hard sci-fi, or pop sci-fi that reflect on our current values and what our future values might be.
Captcha was 'Impotent' as in 'CBS's new show, Discovery is impotent, being part of a 60 year old franchise.. without James Doohan's libido.)
I can remember when this was an interesting site, full of diverse opinions on News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters.
Today it's a bunch of basement-dwelling pissants that are angry that women won't fuck them and marginalized social groups are clawing away the privilege that they think they are rightly owed for being a straight white male.
Anyone that uses the term "SJW" non-ironically is a trash human being. Including you. Fuck off.
What a piece of crap this is.
YOU MEAN THE CHILD MOLESTER MILO? Is that your pariah of social discussion, MILO CHILD MOLESTO YOUNAFUCKYOUNGINS?
It seems Discovery was off to a rocky start, delayed by almost 30 minutes, as for some reason, 60 Minutes was still airing with "Star Trek Discovery" overlaid through CBS's all access app and site.
Who is general failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
These are the redundant and unnecessary voyages of Yet Another Fucking Starship. It's five minute mission: to explore strange new business models... to seek out new ways of squeezing money out of audiences... to boldly make money like no other sad, tired retread has before! Whoa ohhhhh oh oh oh oh ohh.... oh oh-oh oh oh ohhhhhh, oh oh OH! oh oh oh oh oh... oh oh oh oh oh wah, wah oh, oh oh oh OH OH ... oh hell no... No-o-o- thank youuuuuuuu!
Think I'll pass. Especially if they want money, since you know, they don't USE money in the 23rd century... (which begs several questions...) but I digress. Thanks, I think I'll READ. Or I'll just wait until Family Guy or South Park parodies it. (That's seriously how I found out what the hell the Red Wedding was.)
Wow. It's like you don't actually get the point of Star Trek and have blotted out the past 51 years from your memory, the original series multi-cultural bridge crew, the followup with the French captain, the one with the African-American captain and female first officer, and the one after that with the woman captain and a Native-American first officer.
Besides, it'll do just fine without your money.
And so there's no confusion, fuck off.
A pop-culture story has to introduce it's protagonist and get you invested in his struggles quickly; until then its living on borrowed time.
This pilot wasted a lot of time and crucial early scenes, in part I think giving in to same temptation that got George Lucas on Phantom Menace: showing off what you can do with an unlimited budget. There is dialog in the ST:Discovery pilot that exists solely to to stretch out SFX shots. J.J. Abrams has said that he found Star Trek pacing slow, but I disagree; it just took a long time to get to the action scene. That time was taken up with drama. On this pilot that time is taken up with furniture.
The director also made the unfortunate decision to shoot much of the pilot in the Klingon language with English subtitles. This isn't at all like watching, say a Japanese movie with English subtitles. Japanese is a real language that evolved to fill human needs. Klingon was designed by professional linguists to sound alien, and it works well enough for saying things like "Fire all disruptors!" But it was painful to watch actors struggling to emote through heavy prosthetics while forcing their tongues to perform inhuman phonetic acrobatics. That meant that you got almost the entire sense of the scene through the subtitles. Also by overexposing the Klingons so early they seem less threatening. We know too much about what's going on (having read a lot of subtitles), but none of it adds to the suspense or drama of the story.
Altogether this is hot mess. Often TV shows have difficulty launching while spoon feeding viewers all the information they know, but despite the sumptuous visuals this one wasn't competently put together.
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If you think that asking only that straight white males be allowed to be heroes too, not just villains, is somehow the same as demanding "dominance" than you need mental help.
This is all an exercise in futility, because we have the problem all wrong from the start: The problem isn't race relations, or white male dominance, or white-black tension. The REAL problem is Philipina women, I tell you. They are pulling the strings and truly run the world, and are doing so well that no one believes it!
The law of averages means that, yeah, straight white males can be incompetent, or even the villain. The last straight, while male villain we saw in Star Trek was in a role that wasn't a straight, white male to begin with. The last villain we had wasn't white at all. Correlating that happening here with some imagined brewing sentiment of some kind would say more about you than reality.
"Chickenhawks" are ostrasized in the gay community, because they play into the stereotypes of gay people as "recruiting your children into their lifestyle."
However, adolescents and young adults who ARE actually gay, come to that realization about their sexuality at some point in their life and have the right to be integrated into a gay community as they mature. Like with any minor non-adult person it is statutory rape for an adult to become involved with them. But at a certain point the young person WANTS involvement with others (gay people) like themselves. It's a tricky balance, and Milo acknowledged that in an awkward way that was used by political opportunists to take him down.
Wow, that is such a basic fallacy. Just because a white guy is homeless doesn't mean he lacks privilege. Being privileged isn't a linear or binary state. Your white homeless guy lacks the privileges of food, shelter, and employment. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have the privileges of having gone to a good school (which he probably did because, statistically, white schools are better funded). Clean him up, set him up with a permanent address, and address whatever issue has made him homeless, and he'll have an easier time of finding a job than a black person in similar circumstance would. Once he saves up enough money, he can get a loan for a car easier than a black person could. When he drives that car down the street, he doesn't have to worry about the police as much as a black person. White people get pulled over less than black people do. That sounds like a privilege...
Just because you can find an example of any type of person in a bad situation doesn't mean that that makes us all equal. If you must, imagine that privilege is like a video game's tech tree. If you choose the white straight male player, there are more options and almost all of them cost less points than the black player's options. This bonus for the white male player gives advantage against every other type of player too: Asian, Mexican, female, gay, lesbian, trans, handicapped, and so on. For instance, I'm a gay white male, which means my tech tree lines up rather nicely with the straight white male, except for some hits in the social advantages. I'm more likely to get fired than the straight white male. I also have a lovely hate crime mechanic, where I can, at anytime, be beaten to death, in public, for being "a f@gg*t." Until recently, my straight male attacker could say that I made a pass at him and the game will accept that as a valid exception to the "No killing" rule. (The gay panic defense! It's a thing and is still being used!) The religion and family branches also need more points (gays cause hurricanes, hate the sin love the sinner). I'm also more likely to have a crippling addiction and die younger than comparable straight white males. We're currently petitioning the game programmers for adjustments. So if you see a white homeless man, realize that you can find unlucky or bad players, no matter the player type, but that doesn't change the tech tree.
Space Shuttle was a program that strapped humans to an explosion and tried to stab through the sky with fire and math
Shakespeare's plays 'worked on many levels.'
I am not sure that can be said about South Park, though it is a point well worth considering.
It can't be said about 'Family Guy' which is crass trash for the most part. It plays well to a certain mindset but is really channeled only in that direction.
It's continuing mission is to WTF... did I just watch? CBS expects people to pay to see a whole season of this garbage?
It wouldn't be worth it even if enterprise were destroyed in E2, everyone died and .. "HA HA FOOLED U!!!" flashed on the screen before real pilot of star trek reboot started playing.
CBS needs to immediately cancel this garbage and publically apologize for wasting everyone's time.
Calling someone who sleeps in a doorway âoeprivilegedâ just shows how toxic your ideology is and no amount of verbal diarrhoea can justify it.
My time is far too valuable to waste it with SJW propaganda. I'd rather lie on the floor and stare at the ceiling.
I agree that CBS Sunday night == kiss of death.
I quit watching the Mentalist when it moved to Sunday night, because I didn't want to have to put up with it being bumped by NFL, even though it was by far my favorite show at the time. I plan to finish watching it on Netflix at some point now that the series is over, but I just haven't gotten around to it.
(Dear CBS, I'll DVR and watch the last 1-2 seconds of your commercials if you show it any other night of the week, but padding the recording for NFL overr-runs makes Sunday night too much hassle, so I'll just wait and watch the show on Netflix without any commercials in a few years.)
>Just because a white guy is homeless doesn't mean he lacks privilege.
In Stalinist Soviet Union your personal story didn't matter. It was all about class. Your class belonging decided if you ended up in a Gulag. You "social justice" people with your privilege classification are not different. You would put white male homeless people into extermination camps for being "privileged".
Oh, that's interesting. Can you name many TV series and many movies where that's true?
Yes.
it was actually a decent watch. Last scene was great :P
is science officer wtf?
I saw the premiere tonight and I have trouble imagining a worse premiere. There seemed to be more commercial time than program time, and if you wanted to see the second half of the show, you had to to some Mickey Mouse internet thing to view it. Really, really sad. (And what I did see of the actual program relied on special effects too much and not on plot/acting.) Will not miss the program.
Pilots are often pretty bad or at least really awkward. I found The Cage (first, rejected TOS pilot) and even Where No Man Has Gone Before (second TOS pilot) to be awkward. There were several casting changes after both and the actors hadn't quite figured out how to play their characters in those episodes. The first episode to air was The Man Trap, which was pretty creepy, but not all that great, either. Both of the pilots (though perhaps not The Man Trap) were better than TNG's Encounter At Farpoint, which was slow and awkward, and not particularly entertaining most of the time. I don't share the disdain many have for the first two seasons of TNG, because they're the most TOS-like, and do have some interesting stories (especially Q Who). But the pilot was lousy.
My recommendation would be to give this show a chance beyond the pilot episode. Plenty of shows start slow and get much better very quickly. The biggest problem here is that you have to pay to see anything after the pilot. Unless you really want to watch something else on CBS All Access, you're spending $6 that may or may not be worth it at all. CBS has space on their schedule to squeeze in a couple more episodes of Discovery. Just show a couple less repeats of NCIS: LA in the fall, like they always do when new episodes aren't airing that week. They could have even done so tonight instead of airing repeats of NCIS:LA and Madam Secretary because their new seasons haven't premiered yet. This is about using the Star Trek brand to try to push people to subscribe to CBS All Access, which isn't doing all that well.
I think there's hope Discovery gets quite a bit better in later episodes. Unfortunately, you have to pay to find out.
I may be old, but ain't that pretty much what those white supremacist idiots have been claiming as well?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
How the fuck do you "recruit" someone for your sexual preference? You are or you are not gay, it's not like there's a way to change that.
Unless you're some religious whackadoodle, of course. Then you think if you pray really hard you can wish the gay away.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So I already got a subscription to all or most of AT&T's Uverse's premium sports and movie channels, plus Netflix, plus Amazon prime. Now I find out that I need to buy one more subscription, through an entirely separate billing system just to watch one CBS show? Hello?
I understand that people wanted to have stuff a la carte, but the way I understand it, a la carte works best as a pay-per-view service through either the cable company, or amazon, or a similar centralized streaming service. No one wants to deal with a dozen different streaming sites and a dozen bills, one for every show I want to see. I guess I'll just wait until this show hits the Netflix after a while.
A trustee in a prison is privileged in some ways. This does not mean their life is necessarily better than that of a non prisoner.
Keep it up! These are the sorts of tactics that are going to keep the Right in power for the next 50 years. Gratuitous insults and dehumanizing other people because they disagree with your far-left political opinions.
SJWs are real, as one of them recently said to me: "Someone please explain to me why I wouldnâ(TM)t want to be a Social Justice Warrior? It sounds badass and amazing."
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I can remember when this was an interesting site, full of diverse opinions on News
Yes, I also remember when the left were more tolerant of opposing opinions. Sadly, now they resort to insults, threats and violence.
Anyone that uses the term "SJW" non-ironically is a trash human being. Including you. Fuck off.
It was SJWs who invented the term SJW. It has only become a negative term because of the actions of SJWs. If you want to dump the SJW title, and are looking for a new name, can I suggest you identify as fascist propagandists. It's a whole lot more accurate.
If feminism was ever about equality, that age is long gone.
Star Trek: TOS had 2 pilots. The second one actually sold the show.
Anyone who wants this show to survive the first season should hope for a reboot of that tradition.
Which would probably be the first SENSIBLE reboot in the recent past.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The problem is that every Star Trek after the original had a weak first season and only survived because of the rabid Trek fans that would watch them no matter what.
That's simply not true anymore.
Just cut the bull, will ya?
For instance, I'm a gay white male, which means my tech tree lines up rather nicely with the straight white male, except for some hits in the social advantages. I'm more likely to get fired than the straight white male.
The most laughable of all. Fire a gay and you get hit with a discrimination lawsuit. Even if you manage to fight it off, it costs time and money. Fire a straight and nothing happens. Geee, I wonder who's getting fired when the company gets downsized next?
I also have a lovely hate crime mechanic, where I can, at anytime, be beaten to death, in public, for being "a f@gg*t."
Because no straight man ever got beaten. When shit like that happens the reason always is "some punk is having a bad day" and whether his excuse is "you're gay" or "you looked at me funny" doesn't change a thing.
Until recently, my straight male attacker could say that I made a pass at him and the game will accept that as a valid exception to the "No killing" rule. (The gay panic defense! It's a thing and is still being used!)
Yes, and blacks used to be slaves, let's kill whites today in retaliation! Wooooo!
The religion and family branches also need more points (gays cause hurricanes, hate the sin love the sinner).
You're free to not join any religion you don't like. Muslims consider me a sinner because I eat pork, Hindus consider me a sinner because I eat beef. Booo golly hooo, I'm entitled to whine and cry because THEY HATE ME!!!
I'm also more likely to have a crippling addiction and die younger than comparable straight white males.
And this is the fault of straight people because....? Men on average die 7 years earlier than woman, I've never heard any SJW using that as a basis of the claim that men are discriminated against by heath service. Guess equality of outcome works only one-way.
You won't convince people to agree to your point of view by swearing and insulting them. It just gives the ones more ammo that see what you allegedly fight for as a sign of exclusion, not inclusion.
Also, those stereotypical basement dwelling losers who never get laid don't strike me as embodiments of privilege.
Enough said.
You do realize both sides are currently guilty as charged on this matter? I mean, have you looked at the rhetoric of the far-right? Yeah, it's not exactly free of dehumanization, insults or gross stereotyping of the people who don't agree with them either.
The cycle of polarization feeds itself: the far right insults the far left, who returns back in kind or the other way around. Both sides think the other side is either too dumb or too 'evil' to be reasoned with so both sides are content at mainly just flinging verbal shit at each other. To the far-left, anyone slightly on the right is a fascist or a nazi, and to the far-right, everyone to the left is an SJW, crybaby islam apologist or whatever.
The thing to realize is: both extremes of this discussion are in the wrong, and so long as people keep picking 1 or 2 of these sides going by 'the lesser of 2 evils' approach, this cycle will only continue and get worse and it will not necessarily mean 'the right' will come off as a winner on this one.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
To put the first episode on broadcast then to pay service? For those of us who do not have a lot of means to buy all of these services and totally rely on broadcast with an indoor antenna.
CBS doesn't care about poor people.
To him, if it involves anything other than white people dominating, it's just not accurate.
I mean, what's next?? Earth not being "Sector 001" anymore? Sheesh. They're just solar-system baiting there.
Klingons can make for dramatic viewing, e.g., Christopher Lloyd. But these didn't talk like real (i.e. Niven-influenced) Klingons. I believe one declined the opportunity to die gloriously, and even the leader used phrases like "be a part of something larger than yourself."
Except for the new twist on the Vulcan/Human hybrid being more human, this was a complete waste. Sorry CBS, I am not paying 1 cent to watch this.
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As I recall from the "Making of Star Trek" the original episodes in 1966 dollars cost $180,000. These cost $8 million.
There ya go!
Steve
It's funny you should say that. Thanks to the football game running predictably (though never accounted for) long, my DVR only recorded half of it. When I tried to watch it last night, the very first thing I saw was Oprah trying to convince people to hate Trump. I happen to remember seeing her loudly proclaim that he should run for President.
I actually tuned in to see what I thought. I kept switching between that and a TNG episode I have seen before. Good job hollywood - you blew it again!
> Star Trek has always been inclusive. Just ask Ben Sisko or Katherine Janeway
I'm sorry, but until they have a Ferengi on the bridge they can't be considered inclusive.
Yet another virtue signaling pile of poo.
I watched most of it on network tv off the air.
The ratio of show to commercial seemed about 1 to 2.
PBS had a nice history thing on the next channel, so most of the commercial time went there.
If that hadn't been there I don't think I would have made it to the end of Star Trek.
I thought network tv had a place still because each new season brings new content.
But they have completely broken the deal of a little commercial to watch a show.
They are making a DVR necessary to watch.
Definitely not worth it as is even though it's 'free'.
Network TV really needs to think about what they are doing if they want to stay around.
The advertisers and Star Trek franchise needs to think about who they work with as well.
Really a sad story.
I've been surprised before, mind you. The Battlestar Galactica remake looked like crap before its premiere too. But it pleasantly surprised me by being the best science fiction show since DS9
...right up until season 4, where it became clear that, although the Cylons had a plan, the writers didn't. Not content with that, it continued in a downward spiral, ending up with an even worse ending than DS9, something previously considered impossible for any science fiction show.
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Well, Lloyd's make-up was less ambitious, and he didn't have to deliver his lines like a first year French student asking the way to the library. You'll note that in the movie the character Kruge uses Klingon in the movie only for battle scenes, and then seamlessly switches to English for scenes of dramatic conflict. This is how storytelling works, you require the audience's participation to make the magic. You establish that the characters are speaking Klingon and then you switch to English for scenes that require emotional nuance, and the audience goes along with it. In fact most don't even give the illogicality of the change a second thought.
I get what the Discovery writers were trying to do with Klingons. They were trying to say that Klingons are individuals who differ from each other in both their interpretation of and devotion to Klingon cultural ideals. But in order to make a version of the Klingons that looked more convincing than any yet put on screen, they took away the actors' most important tools in portraying individuality.
I appreciate the series attempting to add to and rationalize disparities in the Klingon mythos created by generations of writers and makeup artists. But to carry that off they needed strong performances, ideally great ones. But you can't do that this way. You could put Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan in that make-up and made them deliver their lines in Klingon, and the scene would fall flat.
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"The idea of a new Trek that excludes straight white males as anything but villains deeply saddens me."
I only saw the first ep, but there were at least 2 white males, which still outnumbered the number of Asian females, white females, black males, and finitely Asian males represented on the show. There were more aliens than white males, more Klingons than humans.
Did you both watching the show before you spouted falsehoods in 2 lengthy rascist woe-be-the0white-man-these-days posts?
Of the 2 white male characters that I noticed:
I saw the admiral as incompetent but not a villain as of yet.
The ensign or weapons officer seems clear headed, smart, able, and competent.
I wonder if you even paid attention or watched the show.
Sisko beats all the other captains for one reason.
Q: You hit me! Picard never hit me!
Sisko: I'm not Picard.
Here you go:
Tomato meter 86%
Audience score 52%
Yep, as expected....critics pandering to useless, fill the check boxes social agendas do not dare being objective. Look at the quote below:
While Discovery is fundamentally quite different from much of the Trek that's come before, its engagement with the franchise, and willingness to both celebrate and examine its core values, keep it true to that spirit.
Get it...celebrate and examine its core values....nudge, nudge, wink, wink...
I don't know how this should be modded. Funny. Insightful. Informative. ... I am having an existential crisis because this comment has blown my mind.
Star Trek: Discovery has incredible character development, a sustainable plot, and production value that looks so good that it feels like you're traveling in orbit right there with Commander Burnham and the crew. 5/5
Guess which critic this is: Jamie Broadnax, Black Girl Nerds
It seems like we're getting just another grimdark war show, this one slapped with the Star Trek brand, but having little to do with that brand's core ideas. 2.5/5
Guess which critic this is: Don Kaye, Den of Geek
Is there ANYTHING at all today that does not include this kind of agenda pushing BS? Fuck off!
FTFY.
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For those at the back, DNS-and-BIND is claiming that support for diversity and equal rights constitutes political opinions to his "far left".
That's probably true, unfortunately.
To the wider point, at this stage I don't think there's anything to be gained by coddling far right opponents of equality and diversity. They're shitheads. They're not going to be convinced by well meaning lefties arguing that, hey, it's OK to show a Star Trek TV series that's set in a future where not every captain is a rugged white male because racism is bad, mmm-kay, and society will eventually evolve past that.
It is a shame the majority of Slashdot posters seem to have more in common with the Richard Spencers and Donald Trumps of this world than the MLKs and Gandhis, but that's how things are right now. We can only hope that changes.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Openings are often awkard, but The Cage was a lot better than The Vulcan Hello as storytelling.
The Cage even has a Trekian theme, which is the creative tension between primitive emotion and intellect. The Talosians have evolved beyond primitive emotions, only to find that an evolutionary dead-end.
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Do you think perhaps you could string together a coherent sentence or two aimed at conveying your point in a way that doesn't sound like you're in fifth grade?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Too bad scores can't go over 5
There is no Star Trek anything anymore, just 'Star Trek artificially flavored' productions. Won't even watch it for free, I got better things to be doing.
The entire episode's "production values" looked like a video game to me, and the writing was just as shallow.
No way I'm paying for an entire, pointless streaming service just to watch COD8: The Final Frontier. I can tune to PewtiePie for that.
And why the hell involve Sarek from canon? Sarek is Spock's dad, not {func_rnd}'s dad when they feel like it.
She's 100% human -- adopted by Sarek and Amanda.
I might pay if this was a reboot of Farscape.
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You don't think it's a problem that straight white males are only portrayed as idiots or villains in many TV series and movies today?
Nope. I haven't run into this particular phenomenon, despite watching far more TV than is healthy.
It was not the first interracial kiss on TV. Can we please give that myth a rest. It was probably the 3rd.
Oscar Isaac isn't a white male? Mad Mikkelsen isn't a white male?
It's okay to be a flaming, stupid, motherfucker.
It's not okay to flame me for pointing out that something is a stereotype.
"Star Trek was never full-blown SJW" Were you not around for the original series involving a white-on-black kiss for the first time on TV, ever?
If you apply that standard, then are two white American people kissing on TV automatically white nationalism?
Done. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine had Nog on the bridge of the Defiant for pretty much the entire last season.
In fact, that would mean that 100% of the Ferengi in Starfleet were bridge officers.
Was it a trans thing? Or was it female-genital mutilation? Or both? It was nicely done without being too preachy.
If you have to open with a shooting war, I much prefer "Emissary," the premiere of DS9.
They make Sisko sympathetic right off the bat as he desperately tries to escape his ship before it explodes, losing his wife and saving his son. Then basically telling Picard to his face, "I hate your guts." Then strong-arming Quark into staying on the station, they did an excellent job of defining his character (and the others) in that opener.
In "Discovery" I felt like I'd already been introduced to all the characters in other shows, they were so cliched.
why did they give the Klingons a make over? It was explained why they looked different in TOS to any of the other series but are we really expected to believe that in 10 years they go from looking like they do in Discovery to humans with long mustaches (as they were portrayed in the original Trek). I could maybe believe this if the original series had some mention of the Klingons changing their appearance but to go from how they look in Discovery to the typical earth human look of the original series and everyone in the original series acting as if this is how they have always looked seems a bit of a stretch for only a 10 year gap.
There are other problems that I have with Discovery but the Klingon appearance was especially jarring for me.
Thank you for that quote! I find the folks complaining Star Trek is too "liberal" and using the acronym SJW have never really been fans of the original series or TNG. What the heck did they think the show was about?
Frankly, if there is an afterlife and they are able to watch TV there, I think Gene is waiting for the next episode of The Orville with great anticipation.
You don't think it's a problem that straight white males are only portrayed as idiots or villains in many TV series and movies today? Do you not see how villianizing one particular race/gender could lead to a very nasty future?
I don't think this is an actual issue that exists. Show me the statistics. Start with naming a few shows. Here's the ones watched in my house:
Rick and Morty: nope
Game of Thrones: entire cast is white
Brooklyn 99: nope
Archer: nope
Walking Dead: nope
Dark Matter: nope
Stranger Things: entire cast is white
Grey's Anatomy: nope
Dare Devil: nope
Dark Matter: nope
Fuck that... I went through my entire "Watch it Again" list and I couldn't find a single instance of it. So I'm going to have to assume that if you think this is an actual issue, then you're out there looking for shit to be offended by.
Yes. Episode 3: About a Girl can stand with the best of Star Trek TOS & TNG. The treatment of the issue was very even handed. There were no "bad guys". Each group was all about what was best for the child but from a different perspective. It made the show about whether one should conform to norms to make life easier or fight for social change.
People saw many different issues. Some saw it as allegory for trans-gendered or intersex babies and whether surgery at birth, prior to the ability of the child to consent was ethical. Some saw it as strongly feminist commentary because the assumption was that one could only participate fully in society by being male (many female authors have used male pen names as did the female witness on the show). I also saw allegory to female circumcision/genital mutilation - the surgery is refused by western doctors and parents will often take their daughters 'back home' to have it done just as the characters in this episode did. That was emphasized when they asked whether or not one of the male characters was circumcised.
The ending added depth; one challenge rarely changes a society. A 'happier' ending would not have provoked discussion. The nuances and the various themes and their relevance to our society made this a superbly written episode. Using the Rudolph story as a vehicle for change was hilarious (and I loved that the tough helmsman was crying). When I realized that the opening penis joke was actually relevant to the story I was astounded.
How can you miss Lucas on Stranger Things? He plays a big part!
How the fuck do you "recruit" someone for your sexual preference? You are or you are not gay, it's not like there's a way to change that.
I am told that large quantities of Vodka and Red Bull works pretty well.
First law of people: People are generally stupid.
It's not. It is a Star Wars ripoff - war, war, war, war, WAR!!!!!
but not Trek. Sad.
Yeah, so this is a place for nerds, right? Well, there is a point where it goes too far.
I like Star Trek--all of them except the reboot. I watched Discovery this Sunday, and was disappointed. It focused so much on the nerdy details that it lost a lot of story telling value. For example, none of the other series had ALL of the Klingon dialog in actual Klingon, with subtitles. It just doesn't need to be that canonically correct.
Google eh? According to Google, free speech means you're fired if you point out self-evident facts like women bear children, men don't menstruate, and sex-based discrimination in hiring is wrong.
Nah, I'm liberal. I just know cancer when I see it.
Aww Marxist triggered. Success.
but my favourite captain is picard and my fav bond is brosnan. so i am pretty sure i will hate this trek.
That works pretty well to knock someone out and rape them.
You do know the difference between convincing and forcing, right?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So dismiss me rather than consider my words? Okay. I'm still curious. How is it toxic?
Space Shuttle was a program that strapped humans to an explosion and tried to stab through the sky with fire and math
That works pretty well to knock someone out and rape them.
You do know the difference between convincing and forcing, right?
Red Bull keeps them from passing out.
Also try growing a sense of humour.
First law of people: People are generally stupid.
What? I live in PA, where it is perfectly acceptable to fire me for my orientation. I could bring a discrimination lawsuit, but it would be dismissed because I have no grounds. I'd be out a job and the money spent on the lawyer.
I'll give you the randomness of being beaten up (though I want to believe that gay white men are beat up more often then straight ones but I'm too lazy to do the research to back my belief up right now), but not the gay panic defense. Frankly, your response to it made no sense. I would prefer if my attacker received a fair trial and is punished for his crimes, not let off with a slap on the wrist. This does not equate to "Black people were enslaved by white guys, so let's kill all white guys!" More like if someone is found enslaving other people, they should be punished for it with appropriate jail time? Like Ariel Castro? I don't want to be controversial here.
As to the religion question, you are not surrounded by Muslims or Hindus as I am surrounded by "Christians." I think your perspective on what being considered a condemned sinner would be quite different if you were. Of course, I doubt you have the imagination to understand what that would be like, given your previous response. I also doubt you have any commitment to being a good person, but that is just a hunch. I won't even bother with the last point, as that one is a little more complicated and you have already dismissed the simpler issues with a brutal lack of humanity.
Space Shuttle was a program that strapped humans to an explosion and tried to stab through the sky with fire and math
Han Solo shoots first... and so do Vulcans. I did not know Han was trained in the ways of Vulcans.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
Oh. Sorry. I didn't notice that this was a joke.
It's already hard enough for me when someone tells it, in written form it's nearly unrecognizable to me.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
How you think I'm feeling? I mean, fuck, remember how people were fighting an uphill battle to stop the segregation, and how those white supremacists were adamant to not allow it that it took the effin' National Guard to step in and make it possible?
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood.
Remember those words? Where the hell did we take the wrong exit?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Is it a real Star Trek, reminiscent of GR's vision, or is it a star wars wannabe? Will it treat issues with any even hand, or push a certain agenda?
I love Star Trek, I own everything except the cartoon series, and I can get that on Netflix, and the latest movie that I will skip. I loved the thought provoking issues that were usually offered up as a chance to talk after the show or in the ad breaks, rather than push propaganda.
After Gene died it stayed the course for a while, but increasingly became just a story, and when social issues came up it became a pulpit. This seemed to coincide with the maligning of Vulcans. It seemed like the show deliberately mocked the logic and intelligence, perhaps wanting the audience to stop thinking too.
If it is like that, my love of Star Trek will remain a nostalgia I will cherish, not a new show I will watch.
So far I've only seen the first of the two released episodes . But I have to say, this show is just a mess. It's logically inconsistent constantly, the overall pacing is crap, the lead is so much of a Mary Sue that it's embarrassing (no character should have more than 2 Deus Ex Machina to explain her), the physical affects look like badly lit FarScape, it throws out pretty much all preexisting canon, and it has several points at where they get basic science wrong. Two words: Lightspeed Lag
Now not to be a complete downer... what they got right: Well sadly not a lot. One quite positive thing is that for once ship orientation is a concern. And the actual ship designs do actually look pretty decent. But honestly, that's about all I can give it.
To me: Star Trek really kind of died when Abrams got a hold of it. Discovery was the one real last chance I thought we could give it. But if this is what we should expect then it's time to let the franchise face into memory. Because this show is just crap. And if it gets more season than Enterprise did it'll be a miracle.
Meh, i will watch on netflix. It cost me nothing extra, i can skip if its boring or turn it off if i don't like it. It is not like its important or anything.
So THAT was the best they could come up with to accomplish it? A woman captain isn't a new idea, but an Oriental one is. A black second-in-command... who is also a woman. That's new, but why does it always have to be about race and/or sex? Are there no other original ideas? (Note: Klingons aren't a new idea, and neither is changing their appearance... as we all know) Oh Gene, where are you when we need you :-)
The basic problem is, when you're so far left in SJW, everything to the right of Mao Zedong looks like a nazi to you. Just label ordinary, non-controversial opinions as politically extreme, this way you don't have to think about them or consider that real people are really hurting in America. Just keep speaking truth to the powerless and bash the shit out of them, because it's fun and anyway the end goal is the destruction of America and the Constitution. Life is easier when all you have to do is criticize and set things on fire. Building is hard, you need STEM people and I read eww they're creepy and sexist.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Ferengi are old news.
They should bring some Daleks to the Starfleet. Then, in one swift stroke they will fight for two social issues at once: diversity and oppressive copyright law.
What is best in life? Hot water, good dentishtry and shoft lavatory paper.
Other than casting a female (Is what's her name trans?) as a male character and a couple 'childhood' scenes with a rather manly vulcan haircut, there wasn't much to relate that to all the trans-character hype.
Having said that, the dialogue seemed downright condescending in how it spoke out to the audience, rather than fitting better into the actual *SCENE* and the dialogue you would expect between for instance two characters who were supposed to have BEEN TOGETHER FOR *7 YEARS*. And the whole mutiny bullshit seemed unlikely. Plus the speaking computer and its level of sophistication seemed to outshine the technlogy available in 'real' TOS rather than Abrams TOS, at which point what is the purpose. I agree with someone else who said they would have preferred a post DS9/Voyager series, in part so they could have continued evolving the technology that had been developed in that timeline, rather than retconning the majority of it much earlier in, along with ships that looked far too sleek for what TOS set out for each alien race during that time period.
Personally I enjoyed the story in that more than the post '00 Trek or Star Wars media, and The Orville seems like the 'show' half of that without the 'cast are really actors' half of the movie.
Honestly I wish there was a push for more *cheap* sci-fi shows. Stuff pushing 500k/episode budgets or less. Not 'let's seem how much over a million an episode we can go'. If there was more focus on lower budgets maybe we could see more shows that were worthwhile that didn't get cancelled in the first couple of years, and then maybe we could see staff and actors who stayed on longer as the audience matures and/or grows so that they can have a slightly better salary while riding the show to an acceptable conclusion for all involved, leaving the door open for movies, a continuation series, or spinoffs based around open ended plot threads, individual characters who grew into a story of their own, etc.
The best solution would really be crowdfunded series doing this, but given the number of attempts at crowdfunded or donation-based series that haven't hit their low 'recoup our costs' bars, in the 30k-100k per series or episode budgets, I can't foresee that happening in the near future. :(
and showing Kirk whose been cuck'd on the bridge :)
Roddenberry's son is a corporate tool without much understanding of what his dad envisioned or discussed with Star Trek. I don't remember the specifics but there are a number of quotes from him that should clear up just how un-Treklike he is. I'm not sure if this was due to his dad not spending enough time with him as a kid, just his own personal view of the world, his mother's influence (go look at all the stuff Majel Barrett-Roddenberry got marketed of his after he died... Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, others.)
Regardless to say, Trek started dying of cancer alongside Roddenberry back in the 90s, and the cancer has finally consumed it today.
Don't underestimate the importance of writing, even in Klingon. I seem to recall some quite dramatic lines delivered in Klingon; but they have to be lines that a true Klingon would speak. These Klingons were less authentic than the imitation on The Orville.
I have considered your words. Especially amusing was the idea that the homeless guy is privileged because all you need to do is give him all the things he doesnâ(TM)t have. Who exactly is going to do that? The White Privilege Army? Itâ(TM)s toxic because the suggestion is that he is somehow less deserving of sympathy and support because all white men have the same life experiences, donâ(TM)t come from abusive broken homes, donâ(TM)t suffer from physical or mental illnesses etc etc. The left should be about caring for everyone as individuals, not behaving like a mirror image of the right just with different scapegoats. By the way, here in the UK itâ(TM)s illegal to fire someone for being gay, homophobic attacks are prosecuted as a hate crime and gay marriage was legalised in 2014 with virtually the full support of the country. Every country and every human being is different.