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Apple iMac Pro Goes on Sale December 14th (engadget.com)
Apple vowed to ship the iMac Pro in December, and it's making good on that promise. From a report: The company has confirmed that its workstation-grade all-in-one will be available on December 14th. It has yet to reveal the exact configuration options, but the $4,999 'starter' model ships with an 8-core Xeon processor, 32GB of RAM, 1TB of solid-state storage and a Radeon Vega graphics chipset with 8GB of RAM. You can option it with up to an 18-core Xeon, 128GB of RAM, a 4TB SSD and a 16GB Vega chipset, although video creator Marques Brownlee notes that you'll have to wait until the new year for that 18-core beast.
A beowulf cluster of these
This joke never gets old.
Legally run OS X.
For some folks, that's justification.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
According to Apple's web site the iMac pro has:
4xThunderbolt 3(USB-C), suppotring 2 additional 5K kmonitors
1X10Gb ethernet (Nbase-T 1,2.5,5,10Gb support)
4XUSB 3
SDXC card slot
and a mini-headphone jack
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If a workstation costs less than $250, it ain’t a workstation in the computing sense.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
A single 'cloud' port should suffice.
It has 8 USB ports so I kind of look at it as $625 per port. My Mac Pro was $4800 and only has 4 USB ports, so I'd say this is a significantly better value than what I have. I'll be waiting outside the Apple Store on Thursday to pick one up.
Xeon CPUs and powerful GPUs inside a pointlessly thin computer with a built-in display? What for? Who the fuck asked for this?
Either the internal heat will kill components prematurely or the thing will make even more jet noise than an old PowerPC G4 tower.
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At least you get a free monitor with it.
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You don't really know what a workstation is do you?
No FireWire 400.
Lame.
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Dude, the Mac mini is only $499 and also has four USB ports. At only $125 per port, it's a much better value!
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Sucker.
don't confuse the law and Apple EULA
Is it?
Xeon W-2145 - $1113
Cheapest LGA-2066 board available with 10Gb ethernet - $650
32GB DDR4 - $400
1TB 3.2GB/s PCIe SSD - $500
Radeon Vega 56 - $600
5k 27" monitor - $1300
PSU, WiFi + Bluetooth card, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, thunderbolt card, CPU cooler, case - ~$400
Total - $4963
Seems like it's pretty much in line with how much it would cost to build the same system yourself.
Me: "free"
Michael Eisner: Thank you DontBeAMoran, that was the joke.
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It's just a fancy name for "work bench", a.k.a. the place where you put your 3D printer and Arduino projects.
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No, the CPU (Xeon W-2145) alone is more expensive than your 1/5th estimate for building it yourself.
Here's a rough sketch of what you'd need to buy to match this system:
Xeon W-2145 - $1113
Cheapest LGA-2066 board available with 10Gb ethernet - $650
32GB DDR4 - $400
1TB 3.2GB/s PCIe SSD - $500
Radeon Vega 56 - $600
5k 27" monitor - $1300
PSU, WiFi + Bluetooth card, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, thunderbolt card, CPU cooler, case - ~$400
Total - $4963
So?
That doesn't mean it's not a system that's worth the cash if you do need it. If you need to compile a few hundred C++ files regularly, this machine looks like exactly the kind of beast you need.
Stop it with your sensible and honest comments. You are ruining the basement dwellers group mastubatory echo chamber.
No SCSI. Hell, I'll bet it doesn't even have a parallel port
Wikipedia article here for those not old enough to remember this bit of communication history.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Which is why very few machines cost 5k... your not making yourself look any less of an idiot
It's an overpriced rip off but Apple will sell thousands of them to their indoctrinated masses.
and a mini-headphone jack
They didn't eliminate it? What a bunch of cowards.
"...and a mini-headphone jack"
I wonder if it can be moved to an iPhone.
Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
He wasn't. He was "confusing" copyright law with the law... which was an entirely valid thing to do - copyright law *is* (part of) the law.
The EULA doesn't have to be anything to do with the law, it's just the contract that you agree to in order to in order to not violate copyright law.
Mac Mini comes with white Apple stickers while the Pro line of desktops come with black Apple stickers. I'm not putting poor people stickers on my 1998 Ford Focus.
Here, let me help:
It's fun to call our Chromebooks a "workstation", but traditionally that's not remotely what it means.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
> I can't imagine what these things do that justify that price tag
Well... I'm just going to throw out the suggestion that Apple has a really, really strong brand loyalty factor going for it, and there's going to be an Apple logo on these things...
What sane budgeting department would pay for this? Everyone knows that Apple machines aren't made for actual productive work, and $5k for the most basic model seems like a hilarious waste for a device that will mostly be used for cobbling together some video clips/Garageband tracks.
Ah yes, the parallel port. The port I used to connect almost anything except a printer.
Remember LPT 8-bit DAC?
Remember LPT SNES gamepad?
I 'member!
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Actually, putting those parts into a case should be free, if you do it yourself.
The PARTS, however, will run you close to what Apple is selling this for, as others have posted elsewhere.
But nice try.
But it will be expandable/upgradeable and thus a better "Pro" machine than the Mac "Pro."
Very few people have any use for a system like this though, particularly if it's not running Windows.
I fail to see what "running Windows" has to do with the argument. It's obviously aimed at a market point that you have no knowledge of. Multiple 5K displays are most likely of use to people in moving image processing, this relatively big data needs this spec as an absolute minimum nowadays.
I doubt very many will be bought for gaming.
The trash can mac doesn't count. Ah well, guess Apple doesn't want my money any more...
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Since Apple won't sell you a license, buy the license from someone who melted their mac or doesn't use an apple OS on it.
Well, a few of those components are artificially inflated because they are newly released and Apple is one of the few OEMs pulling them in. But yeah, it is no where close to a 1/5. If you were to take your time sourcing the items over 2-3 months I think you'd end up at about $3k....but you'd be at $3k with the ability to upgrade everything in the system.
There's no one on the planet who has a license to sell you. All of the licenses out there are licenses to copy it onto Apple hardware only.
See, the thing is you don't have to buy the same components that Apple did, you can choose better components instead. Save $700 getting a better R7-1700, buy a monitor that's actually useful instead of overly expensive and glossy. Why are you listing the R56 as $600, that's $200 above retail.
Professional video
I don't see any documentation on what flavor of Xeon is in these machines. Where did you come up with the W-2145?
[...] it's just the contract that you agree to in order to in order to not violate copyright law. [...]
Illegal eula clauses are invalid.
For me it's not the shame of the white stickers, but the fact that my Pontiac is white, and so the sticker won't show up very well.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Cheapest LGA-2066 board available with 10Gb ethernet - $650
Hold on, that's not valid justification. You can get non-xeon motherboards with 10g ethernet for under $300. You can get xeon motherboards plus a 10g add in card for under $300. The only reason it's so expensive for it onboard is because hardly anyone makes it because hardly anyone needs it. But that doesn't matter in apples case. They don't use off the shelf parts from other manufacturers. They custom make all their shit, and if they are going to custom make it anyway, they can combine the 2 just as easily (which they did). Thus I'll only give them credit for $300, not $650.
Which component do you think is better than the one Apple uses in the base machine?
And no - the R7-1700 is not better than the Xeon W-2145 it's substantially worse - http://browser.geekbench.com/v....
As far as the price for the GPU goes... That's literally the price you can buy one for today. If you can find one cheaper, feel free to link it.
LGA2066 board: $200
PCIe card for 10Gb ethernet: $150
Saved you some there.
Most people will be fine with SKL-X, save some more $$.
Apple is reasonably priced when you try and build the exact same thing, and only at the time of its release. Otherwise definitely overpriced.
I am not Christian so I guess I don't get a Christmas bonus. In government IT we don't call them "Christmas" bonuses. It is culturally insensitive.
lol clutching at straws desperation
Why not also price up 2 much cheaper 4 core CPUâ(TM)s and glue them together? Thatâ(TM)s still 8 cored but way cheaper...
Idiot
Your first mistake was working in government. Your second mistake was working in IT. And your third mistake was ever posting on this thread.
Legally run OS X. For some folks, that's justification.
You may be joking but that is actually 100% correct. Steve Jobs himself pointed out that Apple is a software company. Their hardware is nice but nobody would pay a premium for it if it ran Windows or if the iPhone ran Android. The hardware for a Mac or an iPhone is not meaningfully different from any number of their competitors. So that means that the reason people seek out Apple products is based in what they do differently and that is software.
People get confused about what sort of business Apple is because they won't sell you most of their software without bundling it with a piece of hardware. But a company is what they actually make and what they actually make is software.
I like working in government IT. We keep the terrorists from taking away our freedoms.
No courage went into building this machine I see. I'll have to pass then!
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
32GB to 64GB $800 and no you don't get keep the 32. Big rip off when for $800 you can get an 64GB ECC kit.
https://www.newegg.com/Product...
Yes they are. Luckily for apple their Eula is legal and has been tested in court.
Keep crying though, it is funny
Xeon CPUs and powerful GPUs inside a pointlessly thin computer with a built-in display? What for? Who the fuck asked for this?
Henry Ford said it best when he said "If I asked my customers what they wanted they would have said a faster horse". Perhaps you are right and nobody wants this but Apple does have a pretty good track record of making products people didn't know they wanted. We'll know soon enough.
Either the internal heat will kill components prematurely or the thing will make even more jet noise than an old PowerPC G4 tower.
I'm glad you could clear that up for us without ever having seen the product.
enterprise needs easy to remove storage. Dell and HP let them DESTROY HDD's under warranty as well.
Just wait for some movie in post production getting leaked out of the apple repair shop when they can't remove the local storage.
That's right. Thanksgiving is known as Indigenous People Day or Turkey Day. Christmas is known as Chinese (food) Day or Holiday Tree Day. New Year is still New Year.
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And his forth mistake was not being Christian, and being eternally damned in the afterlife.
Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
Well I guess I don't need my Firewire 400 to 800 adaptor anymore.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a difficult battle. - Plato
But I suppose it will be all we get.
Why do you suppose that? Apple has already said they are working on an updated Mac Pro as well. The iMac pro is just for people that want a more contained unit they never messed with.
In theory we should see the new Mac Pro in 2018, but I'm thinking maybe the end of 2018... but in the meantime if you need more performance from the Mac the iMac Pro seems like a pretty good system.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
For those too lazy to click on the link, the Xeon is 25% and 50% faster on the geekbench single- and multi-threaded benchmarks, respectively. To get an idea of why, the Xeon has twice as much L2 cache and almost three times as much L3 (which is shared among all cores, whereas the Ryzen has theirs split into two halves, so data used on all cores will be more expensive to modify).
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You did read the link that you posted? Support staff don't make six-figure salaries.
The second thing to note is that most of the support staff at these companies aren't actually employed by the companies they work for, but are subcontractors. So the salaries of cafeteria workers, janitors and security guards at these companies aren't included in these figures. Their salaries, by all accounts, are much lower.
A Dell Precision 5720 All-in-one workstation costs $3900, has a Xeon E3-1245, a 4K 27" display, and Radeon Pro WX 7100 graphics. The video upgrade alone on the iMac is $500. Factor in the better processor and display, and they're very comparable price wise. The iMac Pro also has an A10 coprocessor. I don't think the iMac is overpriced at all, considering what you're getting. Obviously your "mission-critical" servers aren't shipping with a 5K display or a $1000 video card, and probably don't have a 1TB SSD drive either. BTW, I call BS on your 1/20th cost, unless you're buying old off-lease servers.
because apple does not make their own processors. They do custom make the motherboard. They don't just get arbitrary credit for the things they decide to glue together on their own. Otherwise you can never compare anything. I mean seriously....why did you even put together that list of prices? That list is just a bunch of individual components. That $1300 monitor isn't integrated into the computer, it's separate. There is only 1 computer with that exact set of specifications....the iMac Pro. So why did you even bother puttinig together that list of prices instead of just saying "the iMac Pro not overpriced at $4999....if you wanted those same specifications, you'd have to buy an iMac Pro for $4999". Clearly you were accepting some form of equivalent specs, so why does the NIC have to be on the motherboard to be equivalent? Why did you accept the wifi/bluetooth/thunderbolt being on a separate card but not the NIC? It seems you are just being arbitrary about it. Idiot.
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My Google Pixel can run Photoshop on a 5k screen and it cost less and is infinitely more portable.
What's a "forth" mistake?
A typo?
There you are spamming amazon affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!
You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.
Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.
How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????
The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!
You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!
When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!
Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!
Bonus:
Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:
The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!
So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!
Signed:
The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!
Can get an dual AMD EPYC system for $1000 more with X4 the ram and in a rack mount case.
My tablet can output 4K over hdmi and run photoshop and itâ(TM)s way cheaper and more portable than your Chromebook...
You really should learn to think before you post, I know this is slashdot but even by that standard your comparison was downs syndrome level
And what does that have to do with the average salary, Chris?
How come every AC on Slashdot is named Chris?
Also from the link I posted (that you stopped reading as soon as it became uncomfortable);
You mean the text that I included in my quote?
Their salaries, by all accounts, are much lower.
Correct. IT support staff also gets paid less than IT engineers. Creimer is support staff. He gets paid less. Without people like him, engineers can't get their work done. You're not going to pay an engineer to clean out IT closets.
This is for people who want "the best" meaning the expensive status symbol of buying something expensive and better than other people can buy.
Most the people buying this will not have a practical need. Those that do, they would buy a tower... if there was one.
Apple used to know what Pro meant as far as one can expect for their industry. But today it is 100% pure marketing. I'm frankly surprised they are putting in server grade hardware-- that is a big deal and justifies the cost but everything else they do is not PRO.
Anything PRO has to be reliable because TIME IS MONEY for a pro. No expensive downtime makes the extra cost worth it. That includes not having to carry the awkward thing over to WAIT in an Apple store to deal with RAM, Storage, or GPU problem. (All of which I've had to deal with in server hardware.) Having a service plan for business needs also matters. Somebody who justifies a machine this expensive also can justify a quick hardware test with overnight shipped replacement parts; or same-day fix involving a storage swap into a loaner computer.
That different model also allows for long-term use of the same machine--- many don't need the fastest newest computer anymore. Like copy machines, it's more about the service plan than the performance. It is more like this with computers than ever before. For some, they justify the cost for constant upgrades... then a leasing plan makes sense.
Apple only gets more out of touch with business and they have dedicated people for that now; ironically.
don't need wireless in a desktop and reuse my screen.
amd has more pci-e lanes so for pci-e storage systems it's better. Hell if not needed to be redundant one system loaded with pci-e disk can power a full VM stack.
And our workstations cost 1/20th of what these cost.
1/20 of $4,999. So your workstations cost $250? That's nice.
This makes a decent dev machine. Especially if one is writing code that uses Vagrant and is tested on multiple VMs (app servers, a DB server, etc.) Something like this can handle the vagrant on/off/destroy cycles with ease, especially if one is prototyping a more complex configuration (DB servers, load balancer, app servers, etc.) If the Vagrant environment tanks, who cares... just drop the VMs and rebuild.
Even if someone doesn't use that much active VM work, having multiple VMs on the desktop is useful for a business, just for isolation reasons. For example, keeping QuickBooks in its own world to ensure that ransomware on the web browsing VM or even the host has a much less chance of affecting the critical business documents. Until OS makers start offering QubesOS like functionality, this is a good way to maintain security without too much time wasted.
Two pops and one push. Or two pushes and one pop.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
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It's fun to call our Chromebooks a "workstation", but traditionally that's not remotely what it means.
Yeah, traditionally we'd call that kind of computing power a "supercomputer". Unless it has some special hardware for those "technical and scientific applications" like one of those Titan V compute cards I find there's really nothing that makes it a workstation anymore, it's just a high performance general purpose computer. Unless you count ECC RAM as the "workstation" feature...
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
You can log in as root; without a password!
So how come this guy knows so much about you?
Wow, that was a sudden relocation of the goalposts.
Creimer lives in the imaginary world of mangas. That's why he thought that Ayako was more common than Yayako.
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Silvia Bunge
Psychology Department
University of California, Berkeley
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You workstations cost $250 with a monitor? What kind of work, typing?
That's true enough!
Creimer came in my cubicle the other day around 1:30 PM to fix my Ethernet connectivity. He had to crawl under my desk to reach the cable and oh my god! While crawling under the desk, he released an unbelievable amount of gas and the whole floor had to be evacuated for the rest of the day.
An HAZMAT team was requested to approve the condition before we could go in again the next day and entrance was delayed until 10:45 AM.
3 workers with chronical respiratory problems had to go to the hospital and 1 is still in critical state.
Update:
This is NOT a fart joke!
https://slashdot.org/comments....
The gas seemed to come out of his ears. My guess is that gas accumulates in his large empty head:
http://ibb.co/mRVSaG
Learning the FORTH programming language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)
Chris' case is getting worse, he spends all day replying to himself as AC on /.
The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.
For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.
Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!
Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."
For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
http://www.keynamics.com/image...
Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:
Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.
To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.
The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!
Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.
I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...
Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
https://ibb.co/gVad65
Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
http://ibb.co/mRVSaG
But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.
Thank You dear users,
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Nancy Guerrero
Director
Special Education
Santa Clara County Office of Education
Hey I got a question.
ya know that Maxi-pad-pro commercial the one with the androgynous being??
Is that a Boy or a Girl, further more Why does apple insist on hiding the fact that regardless of the form or "Ohhh its shiny apple goodness" its still a computer.
Why to that Force that Human Being to propagate the connotation that t's not.
further more, Is that HumanBeing the recepticle of whats left of JOBS's intelligence/essence? Is that thing in the commercial actually whats left of MR. Jobs (im referring to the bad of skin, liquid, and other things with may constitute a human being), if so it makes sense why, its so easy to spread falsely stoopid apple shit.
fuck-pads versus tampax maxipads, who will retain value.. The maxi pad of course, it will allways be useful and wil never end up in some land fill unused, unlike ALL aPpLe products..
if ya think about it, there really is some truth to that. Shame that we can derrive more value from a device that sopps -up human female blood as a primitive function versus the Higher level functions touted by the aPpLe product, and yet the weak are tricked into investing so much $ in these toys.. It's almost like the lottery, or Vegas.. Fucking stoopid..
Why not just buy an 8 core i7 with 16 threads at the same frequency for half the price? If you don't get xeon, you can get a 12 core processor in the i9 series for the same price with a clock speed 400 MHz faster. Yes, the xeon 8 core costs that much. But you're a fool if you buy one. The same goes for the 5K monitor. I've got a 4K 27 inch curved monitor that again cost half the price of the 5K monitor they're offering. The pixels on the damn thing are so small that I have to get my eye about 2 inches away from the display before I can kind of start to see them. The whole argument about it being overpriced (at least in this case) isn't that the components don't cost that much, it's that you can get identical performance if you buy different and much cheaper parts. I have a $3K workstation I work on, it has identical performance to this thing, it just uses desktop class parts instead of server class parts. The difference between the two? The warranty.
Horray,,
A new WinTel Baux With Icing on it..
Fucking stoopid..
All the Sheep are lame.
Should have been a cop instead. Better starting salary, good benefits including pension, no college degree needed, and a union that will protect you even if you happen to engage in criminal activity or kill a few people. Even if you get fired, the union guarantees arbitration, which means there is a likely chance of being rehired.
You picked the wrong government job.
Please stop lying. Maybe you are not lying and just dont have a clue what you are talking about.
Go price up a HP Z8xx Workstation with a Xeon 2145W, 32GB ECC, 4TB NVMe SSD, 27" 5K monitor, 3 additional USB-C port card add in, wifi-bt addon, wireless kb & mouse then come back and tell me what it costs. Ill give you a clue, its more than $4999.
The reason you think its expensive is because you dont understand either the hardware thats in it or the intended use case. Apple will sell a lot of these to people who understand what they are and will benefit from the extra performance. You are welcome to keep crying in ignorance.
Congratulations! May I suggest you save the money in an Roth IRA, perhaps in an index fund?
HP-Z apples mac pro needs to be kick ass and priced at the same level as Dell and HP pro workstations.
Starting at $1499 - $1700 (desktop cpu class) (lower end pro / gamer system)
Starting at $1999 (workstation cpus)
With choices like
UP TO High end CPU's (maybe duel) with lower rage video.
Lower end CPUs starting point with UP TO high end WORKSTATION CARDS (room for duel X2 wide video cards)
As low as 256GB flash storage (boot / os / apps) with UP TO 4TB-6TB+ 3.5 HDD's storage SAS / SATA at least 2 bays. Can also take SAS / SATA SSD's (costs less then pci-e storage)
At least 2 M.2 slots with up to 4 slots.
E-SATA or room to install your own bracket.
Maybe on board dual sfp+ with an sfp+ to e-net transceiver (some new server boards have SFP+ on board)
your not making yourself look any less of an idiot
Says the person who either doesn't know how to spell, or can't use proper grammar.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
but knows about the subject matter at hand a lot more than gp. hows your german language skills btw?
if all you can resort to is ad hominem personal attacks then it shows just how pathetic your argument is doesnt it?
HP-Z apples mac pro needs to be kick ass and priced at the same level as Dell and HP pro workstations.
Why? People shopping for this machine probably aren't in the market for a Dell or HP. If they wanted a Windows machine they would buy one.
I have no idea if this new Apple Pro machine will sell well or not. Nor do I really care. But it's hardly inconceivable that it might sell very well. Time will tell if there is a market for it or not. Anyone pretending they know if it will succeed or fail right now is simply guessing.
and clones are better for apple workstations. Then this thin and looks that apple has been doing.
The old mac pro tower was ok (hold over from the old g5 that needed the monster heat syncs.) but HP and dell have made cool towers that may not have the best looks but are easy to work on. Also pro users will put up with an loop back cable to route video card DP out to an ADD in TB card.
this was apples idea to replace the mac pro.
high cpu workloads do not need an 8GB video card.
apples start points are too high and like the 2013 mac pro to much on the video side at the base level.
I feel like running a Mac has been nothing but a series of compromises.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
A 10Gb network port is common in the graphics and video world, which is the target audience for this machine. I work in the CGI field and we use a 10Gb network because our assets are on network storage. We run two wired networks in the office, 10Gb for storage and 1Gb for everything else.
These will go against the HP Z and Dell Precision workstations. But I don't see them offering the same value as HP and Dell; still no modular design. Pros want to pick the GPU solution and most of the time it is Nvidia. Also, I see thermal issues in the same manner as the trash can Mac Pro, which had to throttle down because it just could not cool the CPU and GPU under high workload. And finally, only 128GB maximum memory and a single SSD. While this is not a big limitation, the competition goes much higher. My work machine has 256GB memory and a dual SSD RAID1.
Not that my company would go back to Mac since we converted to Windows years ago when the Mac Pro stagnated (before the trash can) and Apple didn't communicate their road map. That is the problem with the company, lack of communication. They have a cone of silence mentality. Also, lots of little things didn't help such as killing professional software, stagnating or broken management tools, and lack of onsite support.
Heck, for that price, I can get a velocitymicro system with dual 16-core Epyc processors, 32gb ram, and onboard 10gigE.
Got me thinking... maybe it's time to replace my dual 8-core Xeon and dual 16-core Opteron systems.
Back in that era, a computer without a printer attached to it was a fancy light bulb driver.
My Black Ford Ranger ["you can get it in any color, so long as it's black!"] means I get to save a ton of money!
Still no touch screen.
And yes I would use it if it were there. For scroll/zoom if nothing else.
That's a really fucking expensive dongle. And unlike their other dongles, it doesn't come "free in the box."
WTF, how am I supposed to connect my Zip drive then?
IIRC the joystick connected to a 15-pin game port/midi port. But yes, I had one of those logitech gamepads. It was a good pad.
A 10Gb network port is common in the graphics and video world, which is the target audience for this machine.
And, compared to the entire computer parts customer base, the people in the graphics and video world are indeed hardly anyone. So I'm not sure what your point is. I didn't say nobody needed it. I said hardly anyone needed it, which is why you see very little competition in that market. Since there are few options, those few options naturally become more expensive.
But you sort of missed the point, which was "what do these parts reasonably cost?" $650 is not a reasonable approximation of what it costs to have both a xeon motherboard and 10gb NIC. The fact they are integrated makes no difference to what the reasonable cost is. If you can make a motherboard and a 10g NIC separately for $300 combined, then there's no reason they can't be made together for $300. Apple is already custom making their motherboards, so they can custom make it with that combination if that's the spec they chose.
It's actually pretty difficult to become a policeman. They don't require a good education, but there's pretty extensive screenings of personality, and a physical test that is non-trivial. Only 4% of candidates get accepted into police academy. I had a co-worker who went to a good college, was a friendly person, spoke fluent Spanish as a second language (community is fairly Hispanic), had been a bit of a track star in college, and she still wasn't accepted.
If you hacked a digital game pad like the NES controller in, youâ(TM)d use the parallel port as it was 8-bit digital. The 15 pin game port had button input, but the pins were hogged by analog which the NES controller didnâ(TM)t need. Also, you had to poll the analog port where the parallel port could generate interrupts.
You might consider moving into Federal Govt. IT contracting...it can be very profitable.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
C/C++? What year is this?
I used to compile 3.2 million lines of code constantly and it never took more than a minute or two on a Celeron 500Mhz.
1) fix your dependencies
2) fix your damn precompiled headers
3) quit making static libraries
4) enable background compiling
5) stop using boost
Even now, I work on hundreds of files in other languages every day and no matter what I do, compiling never takes more than a few seconds with debugging symbols.
You donâ(TM)t need a new computer. You need to learn C++
Show of hands, please:
How many of you believe that the people who buy this $5000 iMac will be the same people who actually need a $5000 iMac?
I'm thinking nah.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Hello, AC Using Sarcasm. I'd like you to meet Other AC Using Sarcasm. Now kiss.
I like working in government IT. We keep the terrorists from taking away our freedoms.
Instead, nowadays, we just have your Overlords to do that...
That's a lousy comparison. Sure there might be more total performance on the xeon that's 3 times the cost, but the two compared systems here have other glaring problems. The Xeon here has 4 times the memory operating at a faster speed. If you're going to spend the money for an x370 you should be getting near-top spec memory, not ddr3 speeds of 2133. The Xeon isn't going to clock correctly in an iMac either, so that's another factor in terms of comparing byo vs. taking apple's poor choices.
Has anyone ever built an AIO with a 140W tdp processor?
dup swap pop pop .
CREIMIER SAID:
All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.
https://slashdot.org/comments....
Shitposting, Amazon affiliate spam, being fat, and being a general nuisance.
CREIMER SAID:
Only on Slashdot.
https://slashdot.org/comments....
So why hasn't managed to ban this intentionally disruptive user? According to him his "trolls" can't help themselves.. he is the one in control willingly and maliciously creating disruptions. Reasons that slashdot has stated they will ban accounts at their discretion.
Why isn't creimer banned? He degrades the slashdot experience for everyone and attempts to monetize these efforts. This is effectively stealing from Dice.
Just the other day creimer attempted to dox a user by posting her name and ip address. How many chances should he be given?
Perhaps you'd like to go back and reread the thread. I never said anything about the processor or the ram or the other stuff. I neither know nor care what the current value of many of those things is. My point specifically addressed $650 motherboard. I said if you want to compare value, that wasn't a valid basis of comparison. I've lied about nothing. If anything, you are the one lying by trying to claim that $650 is a legitimate value to place on what it costs them to include a xeon motherboard and 10gb ethernet. I'll let other people speak to whether your other figures are justified or not. That one I saw and knew it wasn't justified so I called you out on it.
I pointed out a specific error in your analysis, you called me an idiot for it, I point out that by your criteria you are an idiot too because you did the exact same thing, and then you ignore that and just reply with an idiotic "well I'd like to see you do better" sort of reply. Why not just be a grown up and say "your right...we should use $300 as a more accurate cost for those components". If you think the revised part total is still valid justification that they aren't overcharging, then great. Make that argument, but make it based on an accurate basis of cost, not an inflated one.
HEY CREIMER!
How can /. management tolerate a fool like you which openly admits he has zillions of sock puppet accounts?
I am sure you are going to enjoy that one; Could you be the secret owner of /.?
Anyway, here is a partial list of sock puppets accounts creimer owns. Doesn't it have a negative potential with regards to the moderation system? If you are aware of more sock puppets accounts, just reply to this post please.
https://slashdot.org/~Anonymou...
https://slashdot.org/~FatCashe...
https://slashdot.org/~ILoveFat...
https://slashdot.org/~IHateFat...
https://slashdot.org/~IAteFatC...
https://slashdot.org/~ITapeFat...
https://slashdot.org/~IApeFatC...
https://slashdot.org/~IPrayFat...
Buzz off creimer!
Thanks Nancy,
Your posts are always enlightening and right on topic! Keep up the good work over there at Special Education!
I have noted that Chris uses child psychology to convince his so called trolls to give up by pretending they just give him free publicity. That's adoring! ;-)
Anyway Chris would have a hard time to learn anything above child level matters, including psychology.
https://childdevelopmentinfo.c...
---
Silvia Bunge
Psychology Department
University of California, Berkeley
Here are some Creimer's posts from his account that was blocked and renamed by Slashdot management:
"Nah... I just do it to piss off my trolls and make coffee money off of them."
https://slashdot.org/comments....
"Which doesn't violate the Slashdot TOS. If you got a problem with that, take it up with management."
https://slashdot.org/comments....
This year I've posted ~4,000 comments.
https://slashdot.org/comments....
We have different priorities. You want to climb the corporate ladder. I want to own the corporate ladder.
https://slashdot.org/comments....
My employers don't care about what my Slashdot trolls think. Now go off and lick your balls somewhere else.
https://slashdot.org/comments....
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I know support engineers who make 90k but regardless support pays less.
Anyhow it usually pays less. Maybe this has something to do with why people tell you to add a hot skill/cert to your resume. But no you want to find old lotto tickets, grift youtube for pennies, and get certs nobody likes and everyone has.
I'm going to leave you alone now. You've stopped spamming and karma whoring. I'll be back if you start doing that shit again though.
You two are idiots. That's a fake "Creimer" account.
Pay attention.
Beware of the Leopard.
But then it probably isnâ(TM)t.
Fatcashewsloveme, you mean? No it isn't. The guy is capable of writing a paragraph with a point and with no grammar mistakes.
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n/c
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
added MS crapware, no thanks. Linux might work, except my time is worth more than pfutzing with Linux...no time to delve into that world. Get this, os x costs money to develop.
While there will certainly be a few people who will use up all that CPU and graphics power, for many it will be complete overkill.
One month ago I was offered a job as Drupal web developer, and as all others in this hip startup had Macbooks varying from MacBook 12" to MacBookPro they offered me a fresh MacBookPro too. I declined and said I wanted a PC one-third of that price. Curious, they agreed.
What did I order? An Intel NUC (half the size a a MacMini), with a Core i3, 16 GB memory and a 256 GB SSD, with a 43" 4k monitor. Running Linux Mint 64bit Cinnamon, the most boring and most productive Linux flavour around. It costs ~EUR 1200. It can't do what this new Mac can do, but I don't have to do that anyway. Like so many Apple fanboys who won't either but will still buy this new Mac. Buying what you need can save you 75% versus what you want. Most of the software you use is Cloud-based, or Linux-capable.
My 43" monitor is the absolute sweetspot for 4k display. I do not have to zoom in because at this size it's just like 4x 22" HD monitors without the monitor edges cutting up the view. We do our weekly Trello sessions on my system because it feels like a whiteboard with Post-It notes. In PhpStorm it shown me a lot of code lines vertically. That 27" 5k monitor is way too small for that resolution, All-in-ones are not for professionals but for marketing people. But they do not need the processing power in that new Mac. So it will be a commercial success, selling more than twice the amount of units actually needed in this world.
Assuming you're posting from the U.S., get over it. Christmas is a holiday recognized by the federal government. If you choose not to enjoy it, that's your business. But it's not culturally insensitive. You're just culturally intolerant/oversensitive.
-- I'm old enough to have lived through six different meanings of the word "hacker."
Hilarious, Chris. Bringing up child fucking out of nowhere. Remember when somebody said you were creepy, so you said he molested his own children?
I can't help but notice that you have a repeated pattern of talking about child molestation. You discuss child marriage with your co-workers and on a technology forum. You like saying "marrying children is as American as apple pie" and apparently research the topic. You have loli-anime in your topic.
Just sayin'.
I have a late 2013 iMac that where I selected the fastest CPU and a GPU with 4 GB RAM. Via iStat I can see that it often uses all the GPU memory when rendering videos.
I'd rather not buy a new iMac. The old one still performs well with a external RAID cabinet for work files, but now I really hate that I have to replace everything to upgrade the machine.
Since there's no proper new workstation(and when it comes, I doubt that I can afford it), I have built a Hackintosh with a GTX1080 and a I7-7700K. It seems to render 3 times faster than the old one, all I need is a compatible bluetooth adapter(I use a mouse in one hand and magic trackpad with the other to scroll fast)
But there's a lot of time wasted getting it to boot the first time, and I'll bet that future updates will break the machine.
I am guessing in the long run, I will either use Premier Pro(had it not been for the subscription license) or perhaps DaVinci Resolve.
Oh well, it's just a hobby.
L'Idiot
Goat fuckers and Pedobears. What has Slashdot come to?
My left thumb remembers.
Irrelevant news and morons using moderation to mod down what they disagree on. 2018 resolution: so long.
You can AirPlay your music from your phone to your headphone-enabled iMac Pro. Win!
I'm going to leave you alone now. You've stopped spamming and karma whoring. I'll be back if you start doing that shit again though.
That's what you said four months ago. For four months the abuse against creimer continued unabated. Are you planning to escalate this shit into the New Year?
Thunderbolt 3 USB C port -> Thunderbolt classic adapter -> Firewire 800 adapter -> Firewire 800/400 cable, and if you're really l33t, there is such a thing as a Firewire 400 to SCSI adapter. I have one somewhere, but it got misplaced in a move. Don't forget the SCSI terminator!
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Wow, Chris. There's no gray zone with you, huh? Right away into the repulsive stuff. You're too broken to see that, I guess.
This has 10 bit by dithering? Seriously? TVs have had 10 bit displays for a while now. Useless to video pros.
apple just had that root password issue with an bad update that had it come it come back after installing it.
I know, AC, but i just built a machine that beat the turd out of this one for $500 less.
AMD Threadripper 1950X (16 core)
64GB DDR4 RAM (3200)
GTX 1080Ti with 11G video RAM
1TB SSD (2 x Samsung Pro 960 512MB RAID 0)
2TB HDD (2 x Toshiba 7200RPM 2Tb RAID 1)
27" 4K monitor
Price, ~$4,500
We tested this against a Dual, 10Core Xeon with 128GB ram and a GTX 1080Ti that was around $10K from Dell (Video card seperate). The AMD rig was on average 20% faster in every test(rendering and compiling type tests). I can't wait till AMD's EPIC server chips come out...They are going to give Intel a run for the money!
just get an TB to pci-e cage and a pci-e scsi card
Wow, every AC is so concerned about creimer! For four months, you vomited your presence on Slashdot like a stranger with bad breath talking too close to us.
Are you planning to continue your valueless posts and spamming into 2018?
blablabla
Underpaid virgins and autistic stalkers.
FWIW, you can get a dual nic 10gb board with a xeon and cooling already mounted for under $500 from Amazon. D1545 as I recall. For the 4core 8thread variety. The octo is about $900.
iPologists remind me of claims like when they said that Bluetooth 2.0 or whatever was worth $200 more than the BT in dells, and similar "must use $199 Apple version of X" instead of the $10 options available.
Creimer there is more than one guy here who trolls you. I said I would stop once but then you drew me back in when I saw you making low effort submissions to boost your karma. Slashdot's moderation system was designed in a time when the volume of moderators and posts meant the system could steamroll over a nuisance like you even if you made a bunch of sockpuppets to try and spam the place up.
Given your unusual obsessiveness the site simply has no other way to deal with you than draw negative attention to your posts and hurt your feelings in addition to modding you down. Moderation simply can't keep up with you.
You have a pile of delusions that you use to shelter your ego from the fact that nobody likes you here. Sure maybe your trolls are wasting their mod points on you but if people disagreed with those who mod you down eventually the m2 system would deprive them of moderation.
People are bored of trolling you but if you're left unchecked you will eventually ruin the site by attracting copycat spammers and driving away our good posters who want to have quality stories free from made up shit that never happened. You know that you could work on making 1 or 2 extremely good posts in response to stories and comments where you have some special information to contribute.
Consider if you will actually make someone laugh, are you trying not to laugh when you post it? Maybe that's a good post. Do you think you're saying something TRUE that other people might repeat in a later conversation?
That's probably a good post then. If not then it is a shitty post.
I think you're bored and lonely, that's when I shitpost.
So that's it, no spamming, no sockpuppets, consider this a sort of unofficial community ToS. This is what you have to do to not piss people off on slashdot.
You have loli-anime in your topic.
Where did he do that? Where is this?
Is it?
Xeon W-2145 - $1113
Cheapest LGA-2066 board available with 10Gb ethernet - $650
32GB DDR4 - $400
1TB 3.2GB/s PCIe SSD - $500
Radeon Vega 56 - $600
5k 27" monitor - $1300
PSU, WiFi + Bluetooth card, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, thunderbolt card, CPU cooler, case - ~$400
Total - $4963
Seems like it's pretty much in line with how much it would cost to build the same system yourself.
Yep, all that just to run JavaScript.
Sorry, I have (slightly) better things to do with my time than dig through your blogs to find the picture you posted of the loli-anime you keep next to your bed.
If all it takes is marketing for a logo and to establish brand loyalty, why haven't companies with superior products done the same and driven Apple out of business?
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xeon schmeon, all I see is an 8 core CPU.
AMD Ryzen 1700X costs about $300 and has 8 cores. End of story.
What makes you think that creimer is reading your self-righteous bullshit?
Do you mean 40%? I couldn't find any official stats, just forum posts where they'd say how many were hired on from their class and it was closer to 50%. The reason your friend wasn't accepted without you specifying the reason is suspect.
It is being targeted for a specific market segment, which you fail to understand. Therefore, the customer use case for 10Gb is the majority.
And if customers ask for a new Mac Pro because they DO know what they want, Apple tells them to fuck off.
So does every other PC maker. No company can be all things to all people and Apple knows this better than most. Apple has never even pretended to try to accommodate every market niche. If you want something they don't offer then seek it elsewhere. I own some Apple products but I also own several PCs and other non-Apple devices based on what best suits my needs.
This isn't the 1980's. The PC industry is a mature market, and Macs are not competing with horses, they are competing with other PCs built out of the same damn hardware.
So if you like something else then buy that. Why is Apple under any obligation to make a product specific to your desires? Just because you think something is a good idea doesn't mean there is enough margin in it for Apple to make it worth their while.
I bought a Mac Mini a while ago, and it indeed sounds like a jet when it gets hot.
I have one too. Yes the fan does get louder when under load. Personally I prefer this to throttling the speed of the computer (or worse failure) all other things being equal. In practice it is seldom an issue for me. If it did it a lot I'd buy something faster but 99.9% of the time it's a non issue for me.
If only they would make the one thing I'm interested in:
I could say that about nearly every PC maker in addition to Apple. No company can be or should try to be all things to all people. I understand why you want what you want but Apple has never pretended to try to serve every market niche. Users such as yourself who seeking expandibility are comparatively rare and it's pretty clear that they aren't the market segment Apple is targeting.
The good news is that there are good options out there that aren't from Apple.
Holy effing Christ. $5k for a new iMac?
No amount of "courage" is worth that price.
Thanks Apple, but I think I'll go with a *nix box next time around.
Because you're as predictable as the sunrise, Chris? You're mentally damaged, and we know exactly when and where you post. BTW, you won't mind if I call you towards the end of the week to wish you a Merry Christmas?
Nobody hates christmas that's a meme.
It's even celebrated in countries with no christians.