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YouTube Videos Could Get Demonetized If They Have 'Inappropriate Comments'

In response to a mother's inquiry into why her son's gymnastics videos were deemed not advertiser friendly, YouTube said on Twitter it has "taken a number of actions to better protect the YouTube community from content that endangers minors." The video-sharing website went on to say something very concerning for anyone who has ever uploaded a video to the site: "... even if your video is suitable for advertisers, inappropriate comments could result in your video receiving limited or no ads (yellow icon)."

Essentially, what YouTube is saying is that if someone leaves a "incendiary or demeaning" comment, or one with "inappropriate language," the video which features that comment could get demonetized and the content creator would not generate money from it. If you've ever read a comment thread on YouTube, it shouldn't take long for you to realize how big of an issue this could become. According to YouTube's "advertiser-friendly content guidelines," the following content may not be suitable for most advertisers: "controversial issues and sensitive events," "drugs and dangerous products or substances," "harmful or dangerous acts," "harmful or dangerous acts," "hateful content," "inappropriate language," "inappropriate use of family entertainment characters," "incendiary and demeaning [content]," "sexually suggestive content," and/or "violence."

The best advice for circumventing this issue is to disable comments entirely, but this would significantly reduce the interaction between the YouTuber and the viewer. "If this is our new reality we're going to need the ability to restrict comments from accounts under 1-4 weeks old," says news commentator and YouTube personality Philip DeFranco. "Sounds like this is prime for weaponization. Also it would probably be best to have an official blog post instead of my tweet as a reference for this change."

347 comments

  1. Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...have no problem collecting 100% of the ad money. They will still run the ad and bill for it, it's just a new way to stiff you out of the money.

    1. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they can detect those comments... Why not just hide the offensive comments ???

    2. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They already massively shadow ban (i.e. comments just visible to yourself if logged in). Log out and they are not there, No explanation no indication this has happened. Worse it seems to happen particularly if you have a polite comment backed by links etc. that is considered wrongthink. But you can still see all comments like "kill all....", direct insults and the conspiracies. Total shit.

    3. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Worse it seems to happen particularly if you have a polite comment backed by links etc. that is considered wrongthink.

      For example?

    4. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      For example. I saw this video :
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3oh3dhnoM
      that said that J. Peterson had misrepresented Bill C-16, Pronoun Use. That he had lied since none was going to be compelled to use certain pronouns.
      I simply posted a link :
      http://www.ohrc.on.ca/sites/default/files/Policy%20on%20preventing%20discrimination%20because%20of%20gender%20identity%20and%20gender%20expression.pdf

      Pointing to section 7.4 pg. 18 "Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun "
      ZAP! Never showed up.

    5. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Another example:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVJmPmb_LWY

      I simply posted how I could not understand why, in a scientific lecture, @7;47, this guy felt the need to recur to racial slurs. I mean science, something that should unite. No insults, no cussing, nothing.
      ZAP! Gone.

    6. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      My solution is to use YT-Adblockers and instead pay the content providers I like directly.

      FUYT

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    7. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by raynet · · Score: 2

      Perhaps your comments were moderated instead of deleted by Youtube's algorithm

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    8. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by djinn6 · · Score: 2

      YouTube Red / Premium is basically that plus some paywalled content. If everyone paid for it, advertisers wouldn't have a say in how YouTube operates anymore.

    9. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Agreed. But even so, your content providers will miss that ad revenue just the same. Why not give them an option: either you risk losing ad revenue by having inappropriate comments on your videos, or you simply let YT delete the offensive ones.

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    10. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine it's because Youtube/Google doesn't want to moderate comments. It sounds like they are pulling what Twitch does with their streamers. "Moderate your channel or get lost!". What's interesting to me is that this not only falls after recent events involving their comments section. But also, after the shutdown of Google+, which YouTube was tied to at one point.

    11. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong but I believe that, if it shows when you are logged in and not when you are out, it's not the owner of the channel.
      I heard that all it's needed it's for your message to be reported by multiple people, maliciously or otherwise.Then Youtube just censors it. No appeal, no notification.

    12. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by taylorius · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I don't know why you were modded down - this is exactly what will happen, and gives the lie to whatever "hate free zone" smokescreen they might construct as justification.

    13. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure the money you pay goes into a common pile, which is then shared by channels according to their views. So my where my money goes is determined by what is popular in general, and I can't direct it.

    14. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem with direct payments is that the minimum amount due to processing fees is too high.

      There is no middle ground between watching an ad for 5 seconds and donating $1.00 (of which about $0.30 gets to the creator). People would pay $0.01 to view if they could (which is more than the ad pays), but there is simply no way for them to do it.

      YouTube could fix it by having a monthly "tip jar". You put in however much you want, and then get to watch videos ad free with the creator getting a cent or two each time instead of the ad revenue.

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    15. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by reboot246 · · Score: 0

      Either learn to spell or use spellcheck. Your lack of education is showing.

    16. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by jythie · · Score: 1

      That.. is a really good question. Something as simple as auto-hide comments and have a switch to make them visible or not. But then again, that would be a good solution from the product's perspective, not the customer.

    17. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your individual money is split among the channels you watch proportional to how many minutes youâ(TM)ve watched of each channel.

    18. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Maybe because google does not care about content providers as much as they pretend to do?
      I would imagine that from their perspective it's the content providers duty to monitor and moderate their own communities.
      So ironically, it is the content provider's choice of risking to lose ad revenue by having inappropriate comments on their videos, or simply delete the offensive ones themselves.

    19. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      That's great if you know exactly what constitutes an inappropriate comment.

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    20. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google actively fucks the public up the ass while making money from their content. Is there any surprise that the people who brainstormed Android is looking to fuck their users? Android fucktards won't see it but they're being leeched by big business.

    21. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are worried about how much money you make from your shitty videos, fuck you.

    22. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      YouTube/Google Monetizing algorithm is messed up. However, the public outcry when offensive information and there is a post making money, that is breaking copyright laws... Is also bad for the company.

      The biggest problem with social media is the fact that all the content is user created, and it is nearly impossible to police and follow the rules set up for the broadcast industry. For the broadcast industry, there is only 24 hours of content to monitor. This could mean for a full day to live TV there needs to be 3 or 4 people ready to hit the bleep button, with a few seconds lag. Social media company can get thousands of hours new content a day. Making it nearly impossible for everything the be monitored, and categorized. So they use algorithms. Unfortunately the cost of broadcasting offensive information is high, so the algorithms and policy are set to a high standard, as to try to make sure the people who do this for money, are spending time to make sure they are self policing themselves.

      However... What I have seen as a trend on You Tube for the bigger channels, to tends to get demonetized, they find sponsors (Skill Share, Dollar Shave Club are the biggest ones I have seen ) to pay for the video, and part of their video they put in their own advertisements. Much like the old Soap Opera of the past.

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    23. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing first. Remember that things like these went down in the recent past: https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
      Now this is something youtube is going to feel and it was caused due to the contents of comments.

      Of course I agree that it would be better for everyone if google was forthcoming with that information. If content creators are supposed to moderate their community, like youtube is supposedly expecting them to do, youtube should at least provide them with the tools that allows them to do this. The streaming platform Twitch has had these community management features for a long time. There the streamers have moderators for their communities that keep things in order. People who apparently do it without pay and even pay money through the various means. So we know that it can work, somewhat. Sorry this kind of turned into a promotion for Amazon. But at least on the surface they appear to care a bit more about their content creators on Twitch than google does.
      Google may care a bit more about those content creators that generate them a significant amount of profit. But who is someone like a little boy with his gymnastic videos to youtube?
      Unless things turn into a similarily big shit storm as in that bloomberg article small time content creators like that little boy may as well not exist.

    24. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      This is what Twitch does with their Bits system. It doesn't take much to toss in a few bits towards a channel that you like.

    25. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      ...have no problem collecting 100% of the ad money. They will still run the ad and bill for it, it's just a new way to stiff you out of the money.

      Your making a critical mistake in understanding this. Youtube viewers are not the consumer. Youtube viewers are the product. Your eyeballs , watching youtube advertisements are what is sold to the real consumer, Youtube Advertisers.

      This is true of almost all entertainment economies since we first learned to reproduce performance with the advent of the printing press.

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    26. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a news outlet puts a vid online for monetization and some dickweed starts running their mouth about "the libtards" and news stations begin locking or overzealously deleting their comments. Despite all the paid Trump propagandists, I still find the comments occasionally insightful - even here, although /. really needs to fix the way it sorts comments. Top post was a troll that got deleted, but the next hundred posts are all people's buttmad replies to the deleted post. Gotta scroll nearly to the bottom to find real discussion about the actual topic.

    27. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can, and have the software to do so. It isn't anything to do with offensive comments and advertising (advertising goes on regardless) it's about a legal way to NOT pay someone for their content, and the content creator having no control what-so-ever (why give them another way to get paid).

    28. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot take note!

    29. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find your Slashdot comment offensive! Slashdot article demonetized!

    30. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Derp. Derp herp.

    31. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by nctritech · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When I leave comments now, I right-click the post time on the comment and "open in a private window." If I don't seem my comment highlighted, I know it's been blocked or spam-filtered, either by the creator or by YouTube. I then delete and re-issue my comment with modifications until it posts. Oddly, deleted/orphaned comments are still counted in comment counts.

    32. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      It's my understanding that the person that manages the channel can moderate comments. Is this not the case? If not, I know that comments can be disabled.

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    33. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Advertisers don't have a say now. YouTube and only YouTube has a say.
      Patreon birth!
      YouTube hopefully dies like MySpace.

    34. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by mr.mctibbs · · Score: 2

      Drinking on the job isn't a good luck for anyone.

    35. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Cederic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      all the paid Trump propagandists

      It is actually possible for real people to support the current US President. I mean, shit, he did win the election.

      Maybe, just possibly, those 'propagandists' happen to be 'people with whom you disagree' and not paid astroturfers at all.

      Indeed, it's the most likely explanation.

    36. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm worried about the amount of money other people make from my videos, over a thousand of which have been monetised by the music industry against my wishes.

      So fuck them.

    37. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Youtube viewers are not the consumer.

      Flat out wrong. Consumers are the people viewing videos on Youtube. They may or may not also be the customer.

      This is why consumer protections are important, because they protect you from companies trying to exploit you even if you have no business relationship with them.

    38. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that is the channel being set to "approve all comments" and the moderator simply has not approved your links because they appear to be malicious or counter what the video is trying to say.

    39. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because this way the hordes of internet trolls can comment-bomb any video they want to deprive it of ad revenue.

    40. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see you haven't been on youtube lately...

    41. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by quanminoan · · Score: 1

      If only there were a good way to avoid the whole Google ad / analytics network for sites. I can't stand using them but not a whole lot of options.

    42. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arc.io is a cool alternative for sites but they are still in alpha - def worth checking out though.

    43. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're making a critical mistake.

      The beef farmer doesn't tell the cows, the grocery store is the consumer, so I'm not going to feed you.

      Likewise, while you are right, that youtube is selling to advertisers, they are buying content from uploaders. OP saying they're stiffing youtube's suppliers is a perfectly valid claim.

      Do you even business?

    44. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1
      One thing first....

      In response to a mother's inquiry into why her son's gymnastics videos were deemed not advertiser friendly

      Explain to me how a mother trying to get revenue on her son's gymnastics videos isn't creepy as FUCK, and probably pedophilic.

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    45. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Known+Nutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Am I the only one who thinks that commenting on YouTube videos is a bigger waste of time than fucking a sofa?

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    46. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. We convince yourself that Trump supporters are actually propagandists.

      Because we don't like the idea that 30% of Americans are awful, disgusting, horrible idiots that should not be trusted with anything more dangerous than a blunt stick.

      Because that's the alternative.

      Reality sucks sometimes.

    47. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you explain first what gave you the impression that this was the point of the posts above.
      Pointing out that youtube acts dickish towards their own content providers does not mean that their content providers are always innocent.

    48. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      It is not a common pile.

      My understanding is that content creators get half of YouTube revenue for that video:
      - For ads, they get half of what the announcers pay for the specific ads showns on your video, the number of views is far from being the only factor: the value of the ads shown, the proportion of people using adblockers, etc... It is extremely unstable and tends to drive YouTubers mad.
      - For Red/Premium, they get half of the subscription, weighted by watch time. Ads are of course irrelevant because Red/Premium users don't see ads.

      Content creators can see which part of their revenue comes from Red/Premium and with part come from ads. Most of the revenue usually come from ads but a premium view is typically worth more than an ad view.

    49. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      One thing first....

      In response to a mother's inquiry into why her son's gymnastics videos were deemed not advertiser friendly

      Explain to me how a mother trying to get revenue on her son's gymnastics videos isn't creepy as FUCK, and probably pedophilic.

      Geeze fellow, the idea that it's pedophilic never occured to me, at least. There seems to be this expanding idea that if there is a picture or video of a child, that it is somehow encouraging sex with kids. You do know that normal people don't even think that way.

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    50. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by h4x0t · · Score: 2

      This is an excellent point. AC forgot to mention those duped by paid propagandists. They are people too.

    51. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who thinks that commenting on YouTube videos is a bigger waste of time than fucking a sofa?

      What's the difference between commenting on a Youtube video and commenting on a Slashdot article?
      Not much, other than the quality of the commenters and video makers, and that varies wildly from channel to channel. Arguing with some moron about 9/11 or "government directed energy weapons?" Total waste of time. But sharing details with fellow fans of some sort of video being featured? It can be quite enjoyable, as long as toxic people don't invade the channel and turn the discussion inappropriately political.

    52. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      Oh, another difference -- the person creating and editing the video is far more likely to see user comments than the writer of an article posted to slashdot. So there's more chance of user/creator engagement. YMMV as to whether you would ever want that, but that's why there are such things as channels.

    53. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Because we don't like the idea that 30% of Americans are awful, disgusting, horrible idiots

      Only 30%?

      But I joke. I recognise that people have real issues and don't disparage them without trying to understand those issues and why they'd vote for an obvious braggart in preference to a continuation of everything that they perceive has failed them in the past.

      Maybe that's why I didn't call them all deplorable and lose an election.

    54. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who thinks that commenting on YouTube videos is a bigger waste of time than fucking a sofa?

      I don't understand why would you consider that fucking a sofa is a waste of time.

    55. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 1

      So you are a dick, and have no qualms talking about it. Seems fair.

    56. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sure, whatever makes you feel better bro. I'm not breaking any rules, so I don't see the problem. I modify what I say so it passes the filter's criteria, which supposedly is the point of having a filter in the first place. Perhaps you'll enlighten me with your authoritative internet comment etiquette expertise, though.

    57. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I was not clear enough.

      Fuck Trump, but more importantly, fuck Trump voters.

      The mistake in 2016 was not being confrontational or abrasive enough.

    58. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Indeed, it's the most likely explanation."

      Actually it's more of a "There's an idiot born every minute." And a lot of them voted last time. A good percentage of them are realizing their mistake finally now that they're doing their taxes this year and seeing they didn't get any tax cut at all (And in fact are having to pay extra tax in many cases) unlike what the Master Negotiator claimed.

    59. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "J. Peterson had misrepresented Bill C-16, Pronoun Use. That he had lied since none was going to be compelled to use certain pronouns."

      I don't understand what Peterson is complaining about. Using what he calls the 'wrong' gendered pronoun in someone's presence seems to require special effort on his part.

      And if that's the case, in the very rare situations where he could use a gendered pronoun in public when the other person is present he can always bypass gender by using they.

      Am I missing something?

    60. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Evtim · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      He is against government compelled speech. The topic is irrelevant. He always uses the pronoun that the person likes to identify with. But not when the powers that be force to do it....
      Of course, the lefties choose to "misunderstand" and declare him transfovbic or something....

    61. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the stains on my sofa prove otherwise sir

    62. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s going to win you some elections, right there. Being more abrasive and confrontational to the average American, yes. Do that. Please, do EXACTLY that.

    63. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because then they'd still have to pay the content creator. Much better to pocket all the money and not payout. Welcome to the new Google. Evil, we do that now.

    64. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a really nice sofa. Just sayin'.

    65. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Like with Trump media often take what he said way out of context. On pronouns I just watched a few videos on youtube and he says he always uses "whatever pronoun goes along with the persona the person is projecting". From the bits in the media a few years ago that's not the impression I got. So thanks for clarifying that.

      "But not when the powers that be force to do it...."

      In one video he explained that he's fine with laws that compel you to not say certain things, like other harassment and hate speech laws, but not with laws that "compel you to use their choice of words" which he explains as how someone could pick a word from a list of 50, like xi or hir, and then he'd be legally forced to use that word.

      But I don't think the Ontario policy does that :

      "Gender-based harassment can involve: Derogatory language toward trans people or trans communities ; Insults, comments that ridicule, humiliate or demean people because of their gender identity or expression ; Behaviour that “polices and or reinforces traditional heterosexual gender norms” ; Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun ... "

      That and after reading the examples in section 7.4, I don't think the policy's intention compels him to use words like ze or hir, but rather, what he does, using the 'regular pronoun' the person is projecting or prefers, is the kind of thing the policy suggests doing.

      I understand that someone can be worried the policy will be abused and I get the impression he's being honest but I think he's mistaken about the law's intent and also about how it will be interpreted especially in the context of provincial charter of human rights and the legal definition of harassment, and if the law needs to be clarified I'm sure it will be.

      http://www.ohrc.on.ca/sites/de...

    66. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      paid propagandists

      Yea, the incessant stream of anti-Trump comments does get old.

    67. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I was not clear enough.

      Fuck Trump, but more importantly, fuck Trump voters.

      The mistake in 2016 was not being confrontational or abrasive enough.

      Sshh. Nobody tell him that's what got Trump elected in the first place.

    68. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the problem was you didnâ(TM)t insult people enough the last time. They will be sure to vote for you if you ramp it up some more.

    69. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Soros

    70. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck all libtards, progressivists and political correctness

    71. Re: Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck communists. You should all be deported.

    72. Re:Of course Brin & company will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your making a critical mistake in understanding this. Parent was talking about Youtube content creators, some of whom get paid by Youtube if they collect enough views. They are the ones getting stiffed by Youtube's policies.

  2. Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it's a peach of cake.

    1. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by cs96and · · Score: 1

      Sorry but your argument is nothing but a damp squid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...

    2. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by jpaine619 · · Score: 0

      I hole-hardedly agree,

      Just for your future reference, the phrase is whole-heartedly.. I.e. you agree with your whole heart.

    3. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mustard a whole in you're head, idot.

    4. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI this is copypasta. This post is full of deliberately misstated terms and phrases. It's actually quite hilarious.

    5. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doubles advocate?

    6. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Ricky get off of slashdot.

    7. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, read the comment again. The mistakes are many and very much deliberate:

      hole-hardedly: whole-heartedly
      doubles advocate: Devil's advocate
      all intensive purposes: all intents and purposes
      diamond dozen: dime a dozen
      petal stool: pedestal
      pre-Madonnas: prima-donnas
      for granite: for granted
      mustard up: muster up
      doggy dog world: dog eat dog world

      And I'm not going to finish...you get the point now, right?

    8. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      intensive purposes

    9. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. Keep sucking that retard dick.

      Thank you for being a friend
      Traveled down the road and back again
      your heart is true you're a pal and a confidant

      I'm not ashamed to say
      I hope it always will stay this way
      My hat is off, won't you stand up and take a bow

      And if you threw a party
      Invited everyone you knew
      You would see, the biggest gift would be from me
      and the card attached would say,
      Thank you for being a friend

      Thank you for being a friend
      Thank you for being a friend
      Thank you for being a friend

      If it's a car you lack
      I'd surely buy you a cadillac
      Whatever you need, anytime of the day or night

      I'm not ashamed to say
      I hope it always will stay this way
      My hat is off, won't you stand up and take a bow

      And when we both get older
      With walking canes and hair of gray
      Have no fear, even though it's hard to hear
      I will stand real close and say,
      Thank you for being a friend

      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Let me tell you bout a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend

      And when we die and float away
      Into the night, the Milky Way
      You'll hear me call, as we ascend
      I'll see you there, then once again
      Thank you for being a friend

      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I want to thank you)
      Thank you for being a friend
      Whoa, tell you about a friend
      (Thank you right now, for being a friend)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I wanna tell you right now, and tell you again)
      Thank you for being a friend
      (I wanna thank you, thank you, for being a friend)
      Thank you for being a friend

    10. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >being this new
      I am going to hope you are trolling us into responding to you.

    11. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hole-hardedly agree,

      Just for your future reference, the phrase is whole-heartedly.. I.e. you agree with your whole heart.

      So, is that the *only* one you're going to correct? Did you even read the rest of it?

    12. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooosh !!!!!!

      The joke

      You

    13. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but your argument is nothing but a damp squid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...

      Blocked in my country. Waste of a chance that I'd get interested in The IT Crowd. Stupid copyright people cut off their nose to spite their face.

    14. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guy fucks.

    15. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once.

      Win!!!

    16. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a pal and a cosmonaut.

    17. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      So, is that the *only* one you're going to correct? Did you even read the rest of it?

      Nope.. I missed that one... Jokes on me.. I can admit it.. Once I saw the first I stopped reading and offered a friendly correction. Yes yes, I missed it all, I suck...

    18. Re:Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pure Gold AC... well played... its difficult to find a fave but:

      "Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once."

      does stick it's head above the rest.
      Please tell me there are T-Shirts and Merch?

    19. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought there would be those big ascii swastickas posted after those song lyrics

      Oh well .....___
      |_|___
      __|..| Hitler, sieg heil, whatever.......

    20. Re: Happy Friday From The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I thought as well Bubbles!

  3. Advertisers can get fucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sick of those puritan pieces of shit controlling everything. Whole industry should be taken to the guillotine. Also, youtube is a piece of shit and they should get rid of the comments section.

  4. Golden Age is Over. by AtomicSymphonic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Making a business or any sort of living as a content creator on YouTube seems to be coming rather quickly to an end if this rule takes hold.

    Then again, maybe all that will be left on YouTube are those that do this as a passion project and not expect to make money from it... Those that are only in it for the money will quickly move on to something perhaps more profitable.

    1. Re:Golden Age is Over. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nope. Don't worry. Those that really just do it for the money (and I mean big money) will find a way around it. Those that do it as a passion project are few, far between, and usually about as entertaining and interesting as all the other "let's play" videos.

      What we'll really lose is the ones that have a passion, want to show, teach, inform and share their knowledge and need to make at least a bit of revenue to make it work out. I.e. the only thing still worth going to YT for.

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    2. Re:Golden Age is Over. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most of mine already have a Patreon. That and sponsored videos seem to be most of their revenue.

      Nobody depends on AdSense revenue since at least the Adpocylypse.

    3. Re:Golden Age is Over. by MobaHup · · Score: 2

      Patreon itself is pretty cancerous and may decide to remove your account for whatever you did or said on the platform or off it.

    4. Re:Golden Age is Over. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And this is why crypto-currencies will take over for YouTube channel financing.

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    5. Re:Golden Age is Over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SubscribeStar is back, however. Not sure it's wise to trust any payment system in general, though, with what's happening to some Chase bank users in America. Chilling.

    6. Re:Golden Age is Over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like the solution would be simple: Turn off the ability to comment on your video.

      Do you not have that capability when you post a video?

    7. Re:Golden Age is Over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something more profitable, like a real job.

    8. Re:Golden Age is Over. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Most of mine already have a Patreon. That and sponsored videos seem to be most of their revenue.

      Nobody depends on AdSense revenue since at least the Adpocylypse.

      Can you name a single channel that started on Patreon funding, rather than moved to Patreon after having an AdSense revenue stream (or some other independent revenue stream)?

      Yes, established channels are doing well (if they didn't say something off-color in a radio interview) but new channels are not getting started anymore. There needs to be a path for organic growth.

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    9. Re:Golden Age is Over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you name a single channel that started on Patreon funding, rather than moved to Patreon after having an AdSense revenue stream (or some other independent revenue stream)?

      I don't know of any that started on Patreon before Youtube.

      However as for channels that started their gig before having an AdSense revenue stream, yes.
      Every single last one of them started prior to 2009, and all of them but a small handful that were started before 2010.

      People seem to forget that the 5 years prior to google buying youtube there was no such thing as ad revenue.

      Even after google purchased them, it took like a year to get to that point.
      Google was quick to put their own ads on video pages, but initially kept all of that income, and then inked deals with a handful of businesses called "multi channel networks" which were the *only* ones to ever get checks for ad revenue.
      Video makers had to join up with those MCN companies as contractors to get any cut of that.
      It wasn't for a year or two after that when youtube would start paying uploaders directly.

      There are a significant number of channels that started out getting zero income in return for their hobby, grew, had fun, and only after income was an option end up making video production their day job.

      I can't say if more or less of the huge channels today came from before or after that time, since it's almost completely 10+ year old channels I'm subscribed to and I don't typically care much for the content that comes out of money-only driven uploaders. But that's just me.

      My point is that it's completely possible to get started on little to nothing and still grow.
      It's just not possible to do that if your expectation and requirement for doing so is a huge paycheck your first month doing it.

    10. Re:Golden Age is Over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tbh this would literally kill Youtube if they stuck with it. Apart from the weaponising issue, it'd push those content creators who wish to connect with their followers [and didn't already have a presence on] streaming services like Twitch. That would pretty much leave Youtube as a commercial entity only platform.

    11. Re:Golden Age is Over. by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      People making a living as content creators on YouTube don't count on YouTube to provide an income stream. Initially they did, but demonetization showed them this was a bad idea. A lot of them moved to Patreon, until Patreon started to take sides in the cultural wars. Now many creators solicit funds directly, either via Paypal, crypocurrency or even directly via standard online credit pay processors or through merch stores. It is also possible to do inline ads, something a lot of channels do..

      If your content is your business there are ways.

    12. Re:Golden Age is Over. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      You get AdSense for no extra work, so once you hit the view-time/views metrics you get AdSense revenue. If you're getting enough viewership that you were able to go part-time at the real gig prior to AdPocalypse (which was all of last year), you set up a Patreon.

      But, yeah, ever since those bastards in the ad industry decided to freak but that hey were paying Neo-Nazis it's been a lot harder to get started at a channel. Because the Neo-Nazi channels were starter channels, so the only possible response was to yank funding from starter channels.

    13. Re:Golden Age is Over. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Thus SubscribeStar.

      Most of mine also have other Youtube-related jobs. The extreme examples are Jenna Moreci and Scholagladiatora. Moreci is an author with multiple revenue streams telling other authors how to make it as an author, and also hawks her books when appropriate. Scholagladiatora runs a HEMA fencing club, sells antique swords through Easton Antique Arms, and got a job with an auction house selling old swords, and all of that is much easier now that he's got a Youtube channel that people who like old swords watch.

      The pure Youtube guys tend to be doubling down on sponsored content, and/or cutting costs. Skalligrim is literally moving to Nova Scotia because he couldn't afford a house on Vancouver Island on an Adsense salary.

      So it's a tough time to be a Youtuber, much less start a channel.

  5. Good grief by atrex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they're so obsessed about "protecting the children", then just hide and disable comments across the entire site on the Youtube Kids interface. Then it's just up to the parents to ensure that Youtube is locked in the Kids mode on their devices.

    1. Re:Good grief by Chas · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Can't do that. That requires adulthood and actual initiative.

      Everyone MUST be coddled and saved from everything, including themselves!

      All this really is, is another push at screwing content creators out of their cut.

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      THANK GOD!!!
    2. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 3, Informative

      You need to understand how YouTube works. Videos don't generate money by themselves, it's advertisers who pay; since their own livelihood, and certainly their return on investment for the ads, depend on their public image, they have a reason not to publish ads on videos that are used by paedophiles to do their thing. YouTube have no say in this decision, and if they can't manage to appease the advertisers, the alternative is for them not to get money any more - at all. Surely that would hurt content creators even more.

    3. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      The problem is the left and the right which make up 98% of the world are just nuts and demand this sort of bull shit. Advertisers responded. YouTube responded. The 3% who are not nut jobs and want freedom over safety are working on moving to New Hampshire and organizing a free state to be less harmed by the nuts jobs everywhere else.

    4. Re:Good grief by bob8766 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They aren't concerned with making this a safe space for children at all. They want to make it a safe space for advertisers . Want to make a video on a political topic? Nope, that's getting demonitized. Can't take a chance that someone sees and ad next to a video of something that might offend them.

    5. Re: Good grief by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I understand.

      I also understand that a content creator could do NOTHING WRONG, and could still have legitimate videos demonetized through no fault of their own.
      Simply because some jackass puts up a comment.

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      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    6. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 0

      If you understand, then you shouldn't be using rethoric such as "fault", "screwing the creators", and so on. YouTube don't pay the creators themselves, and have no interest in "screwing" them, because a demonetized video is a loss to them in the first place. It's advertisers who pay, and they don't want to pay for anything that is directly linked to paedophiles. If you want their money, you need to make sure that your work is suitable for their purposes, because they're not into spending money for having a negative return. Whether this means deleting comments used by paedophiles or refraining from spreading hate and fake news, this is part of your job as a content creator - if you want to be paid, that is. You are not entitled to get money just because you have made a video: you need to make a video that other people will pay to distribute and maintain. Is it the peasant's fault if insects attack his crops? No, but still he has to deal with the responsability of applying pesticide to protect them. It's part of his job.

    7. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Demonetized videos still show ads: YouTube keep 100%.

      The whole system is rigged against the content creators and the only option is to not play the game.

    8. Re: Good grief by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I understand.

      I also understand that a content creator could do NOTHING WRONG, and could still have legitimate videos demonetized through no fault of their own.
      Simply because some jackass puts up a comment.

      Well, that's the current environment advertisers are finding. Remember yesterday when a bunch of advertisers pulled out because of a pedophile ring in the comments?

      Guess what? When advertisers pull out, videos get demonetized. So just because some jerkoff manages to jerk off to your video causes advertisers to pull their support and your video gets demonetized.

      The only thing YouTube has been doing is making it even more transparent - you can tell when major advertisers are pulling out because of comments in videos that it would be the cause of demonetization.

      Whining about it isn't going to fix it - those advertisers discovered the youtube comments section and it offended them.

    9. Re:Good grief by Barny · · Score: 1

      This is likely in response to the recent discovery that pedophilia groups were making comments that effectively "tagged" the video and what point to skip to in it, for particular tastes to be fulfilled. A child's gymnastic video would most likely fit in that category.

      They had a few major advertisers pull their ads for this reason.

      Ultimately, the comment section is up to the video owner to police, it seems.

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      /me sighs
    10. Re:Good grief by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Want to make a video on a political topic? Nope, that's getting demonitized. Can't take a chance that someone sees and ad next to a video of something that might offend them.

      Advertisers can rest easy then. They don't have to worry about me ever affiliating them with a topic or viewpoint they don't want to be, since I don't see any of the ads on YouTube anyway.

    11. Re:Good grief by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They don't care about protecting the children, they care about protecting their ad revenue!

      Advertisers can make any arbitrary demands they want, and YouTube is reliant on ads for most of its income so has little choice but to comply.

      This is very very bad because it makes it easy for anyone to force channels to disable comments (and thus reduce their income due to decreased engagement, resulting in decreased recommendation and views) or lose their monetization.

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    12. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . If you want their money, you need to make sure that your work is suitable for their purposes,

      Pretty irrelevant if this is the crux of your argument. The topic is about comments in the comments section of the page the videos load on, not the videos themselves.

    13. Re: Good grief by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem is the left and the right which make up 98% of the world are just nuts and demand this sort of bull shit. Advertisers responded. YouTube responded. The 3% who are not nut jobs and want freedom over safety are working on moving to New Hampshire and organizing a free state to be less harmed by the nuts jobs everywhere else.

      Yes, you're 101% correct.

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    14. Re: Good grief by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Of course if no one see the content, well advertisers are paying for nothing. Just another scam by google to reduce outgoings, what is bad language in one tongue is just an expletive in another. So from an Australian perspective, you scummy pack of Alphabet cunts, stop pushing your fucking bullshit on the rest of the world, seriously go fuck yourselves. All legal words in Australia and Google can eat a dead dogs dick.

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    15. Re:Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they do that, mobs will get their pitchforks because they impede Free speech. Google cannot do this right, so they do it the way it can with the least amount of resistance.

    16. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why the fuck would I limit myself to some lousy 'murkin state to achieve real freedom? 'murka is the problem, not just some of its states.

    17. Re:Good grief by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, haven't seen an ad on youtube in years. Don't miss em either. I sometimes feel bad for the creators, then I remember they know what they signed up for. Ads ruined the internet and are an additional attack vector.

    18. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does it feel to be a Google-sucking Nazi?

    19. Re:Good grief by epine · · Score: 1

      I rarely watch videos with comments disabled, because then there's no way to find out in advance that the critical parts of the video were filmed through a potato, that the audio is 1.5 s out of sync, that another version is available without all the problems, that the most improbable sequence on a blooper real was actually filmed as a commercial (even if never aired), or where to find the associated PDF of a technical talk, etc. etc.

      But I suppose I rely more on comments than most people, because I never subscribe to any channel, and most of what I watch is a la carte.

    20. Re: Good grief by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Which all but guarantees that this will be weaponized. Don't like a video or a content creator on YouTube? Why bother with a well-released response or making a video of your own, when you can leave comments designed to get them demonetized. Pretty soon creators will be forced to disable comments entirely because they can't take the risk if their content production has become their livelihood.

    21. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s prettty sad how far down in the comments section I had to go before I found this, which is very likely the real answer. This lady in particular is oversexualizing her âoebrave sonâ who at 5 years old sheâ(TM)s basically already decided is gay. Sheâ(TM)s got all of these videos of him acting flamboyant and dressing in pink with just enough thinly veiled sexuality so she can fall back on âoeNuh uh! Heâ(TM)s just doing gymnastics.â Sheâ(TM)s exploiting her kid for money, and now that the well has dried up, sheâ(TM)s mad.

      Pedos are attracted to this garbage like moths to a flame and as stated, YouTube now has a problem now that people are seeing pedos in the comments posting time stamps on videos to parts in the videos that are particularly arousing or appealing to them or other pedos. Anyone who doesnâ(TM)t see this as a problem is retarded or is a pedo apologist.

    22. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 1

      No, they don't. The whole point is that advertisers don't want their ads displayed on those videos.

    23. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 1

      The "work" is not the video: it is the channel, including videos, descriptions, comments, playlists, notifications and anything that the audience looks for in the site.

    24. Re: Good grief by Pyramid · · Score: 2

      You just demonstrated that 77.8769% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

      You've got it backwards - it's the 3% fringe that are the problem.

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    25. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 1

      I don't know, you should ask a Google-sucking Nazi about that. You'll find no shortage of them on YouTube.

    26. Re:Good grief by dittbub · · Score: 1

      Which is it, coddling or screwing content creators?

    27. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 1

      True. To be honest, I think that it's not wise for your livelihood to be based on a Google product; at least, not if you haven't got backup plans.

    28. Re:Good grief by mjwx · · Score: 1

      If they're so obsessed about "protecting the children", then just hide and disable comments across the entire site on the Youtube Kids interface. Then it's just up to the parents to ensure that Youtube is locked in the Kids mode on their devices.

      You're assuming this is about "the children" when it's actually about Alphabet reducing the number of things they could be potentially sued for.

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    29. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 0
      You insist on attacking Alphabet for a decision that was taken by others. Do you really think that Google care about the content of YouTube videos? They're an amoral company that makes money by spying people. What happened is that advertisers threatened to withdraw their ads, and YouTube, if anything, is resorting to desperate measures in order to keep them onboard, in the interest of professional content creators, too.

      Anyway, this decision is not about swear words as you seem to believe. If it were, 90% of YouTube would have to be closed, comments and videos alike. This is about people creating paedophile rings using the YouTube comment system - this is not an urban legend, it really happened. The content of those comments would offend even Australian advertisers, I'm sure.

    30. Re:Good grief by hey! · · Score: 1

      I think it's more about protecting Google's revenue than it is about protecting kids.

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    31. Re:Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're very, very, very close. Advertising does happen quite often on those videos yet but, since they're demonetized, take a guess who keeps the money instead of the channel...

      Anything for a few extra pennies of profit. I gotta hand it to Google. You know, it may have taken them a few years but they've caught right up to other corporations on the planet bending their customers over and going in dry. Now they just have to start admitting, in open court, that they have an abject reason to lie to you because *reasons* and they will have completed their transformation.

    32. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet the creators continue to post on YouTube, and whine.
      And the chattle continue to post on FaceBook, and whine.

      See a pattern here.

    33. Re: Good grief by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You need to understand that the internet was not designed as a children's playground. There are adults here and advertisers like adults and their money.

      Get the fucking children off my fucking internet and everything will be much better. They can have their own walled garden full of Disney and paedophiles and the rest of us can get on with an adult world consisting of things that offend people.

    34. Re: Good grief by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Anyone who doesnÃ(TM)t see this as a problem is retarded or is a pedo apologist.

      I guess that's me, but as I'm not 'retarded' and I don't know what a 'pedo apologist' is I'm not sure where this leaves me. Is that someone that says sorry for standing on your toes? I mean, I do do that.

      Meanwhile people posting those comments are making it very easy for the police to track them down and at the same time offering reasonable cause for a search of their homes. Looks like a great way to detect paedophiles breaking the law.

    35. Re:Good grief by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      ...Then it's just up to the parents to ensure ...

      Easy there, turbo. That's not how we work in today's world. You can't have parents being responsible.

    36. Re: Good grief by peppepz · · Score: 1
      I don't know if I understand your response. To be clear: the problem that YouTube is trying to solve is that some videos of children were used by pedophiles. The comment sections of those videos contained adult persons making vulgar appreciations of a sexual nature about the minor subjects of the video, attaching keywords to make the videos searchable by other members of their community, including links to other videos and timecodes that they could jump to in order to quickly obtain the sequences that were most interesting to them. After discovering this, the people paying for the expenses for keeping those videos online, that is the advertisers, don't want to pay anymore, because that would give them negative publicity which is the opposite of what they are paying for.

      What does this have to do with Disney and people getting offended? Shouldn't Disney, or anyone, be free to choose what kind of content they want to support financially? Their own money is a private property, isn't it?

    37. Re: Good grief by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      I also understand that a content creator could do NOTHING WRONG, and could still have legitimate videos demonetized through no fault of their own.

      Ok, they do nothing wrong, and the consequence are ... oh, right, nothing bad happens.

      It's hard to think of any game with lower stakes than youtube "monetization." Youtube never owed anyone anything, so it's basically impossible for a video maker to come out behind. The absolute worst case scenario is that some people might decide Youtube's free hosting service isn't as cool as some fanboys said it would be.

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    38. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're unhappy with your contract with youtube, you're welcome to renegociate, or take your videos to another hoster, or host yourself.

      While youtube is greedy to still show ads and just pocket all of it, they have no obligation to pay you for their videos (and you have no obligation to upload to youtube).

      Life isn't fair. If you're going to be outraged about it, I'd suggest finding a better target. There are plenty of good ones that deserve outrage.

    39. Re: Good grief by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're 101% correct.

      As taught in Logic 101(%) courses.

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    40. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's almost like relinquishing editorial control also surrenders the ability to maintain a curated public image. Who knew?

    41. Re: Good grief by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I don't know if I understand your response. To be clear: the problem that YouTube is trying to solve is that some videos of children were used by pedophiles. The comment sections of those videos contained adult persons making vulgar appreciations of a sexual nature about the minor subjects of the video,

      Gee - why doesn't Youtube and law enforcement go after....... wait for it....... the pedophiles?

      Children participate in things like gymnastics. Normal people don't see a child and think that they want to have sex with the kid.

      Perhaps if someone makes a comment about boinking a youngster in YT comments, Youtube could just Kick them, and notify Law enforcement. Otherwise we'll end up having it illegal to show images of anyone under the age of 18 on the Intertoobz.

      tl;dr version: It isn't the lady's fault, it's the perv's

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    42. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just show other ads instead of the snowflake ones. You think google is gonna pass up on money? You are an idiot.

    43. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the creators only have say over the video and nothing else, but it's still somehow their work? Even tho they have no control over it? You are an idiot, as I stated before.

    44. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Local idiot says "protect the children" by cutting off their ad revenue. Yea that will show those pedophiles!!!!

      Once again, idiot.

    45. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I saw your brand while watching my pedo stuff! You bad bad brand, to put ads on that!"

    46. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um...no. The "3%" are soooo not the problem. The delicate snowflakes declaring everything hate speech/intolerance/terroristic threats, etc over --INSERT THING HERE I FIND OFFENSIVE-- are. Fortunately Slashdot seems pretty much immune to that...for now.

    47. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is NOT designed for kids, and never was.

      Do you let your kid wander around your city, all by himself, without so much as checking in or letting you know where he is going?

      So why do it with the 'net?

      If your kid can't handle the streets, you stick him in a harness so he dosen't wander off

      If your kid can't handle the 'net, you lock down your computer tight.

      How hard is this to understand?

    48. Re: Good grief by Chas · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand.
      Even in a demonetized video, ads still play.
      If the video's demonetized, Google keeps that ad revenue all to themselves.

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    49. Re: Good grief by Chas · · Score: 1

      The fact that A Random Person can drive-by your video with a simple off-color comment, getting you demonetized and Google still plays ads that they then keep the money for pretty much makes your attempt at a point useless to anyone.

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    50. Re: Good grief by Chas · · Score: 1

      Thank you Captain Obvious.
      Did you want to kick sand in people's faces too?

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    51. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more like 3% are the nut jobs and the other 97% on both the right and the left look at these nutballs in the media, on the political far right and far left and just shake theri heads at the idiots.

    52. Re: Good grief by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      This has already been weaponized. This was all started by a failed Youtuber (who as I understand it) was posting creepy videos. When his content was demonetized he solicited a sizable number of people to contact advertisers and point out to them a large number of comments which supported pedophilia.

      He strangely knew where they were.

      YouTube had been actively working to trace down the commentors and either ban them or at least ban the comments. However when this dude and his friends started contacting advertisers YouTube needed a quick response to keep them from running and so they went to this.

      So weaponization has already happened.

    53. Re: Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's actually right though, the ads still roll.

  6. Ah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fox News recently started disabling comments on its YouTube videos.

    PBS videos have long had comments disabled, a fact I always found amusing.

    1. Re: Ah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, so Youtube will be just like TV; you can watch but no commenting back.

  7. So anybody can now sabotage any video? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That will work out well. Everybody on YouTube, no matter how nice or friendly, has enemies. There are a lot of dissatisfied, cruel, envious and stupid people around and also some outright psychos. If these people now get handed a Really Big Stick, they are going to use it.

    On the plus-side, this extreme stupidity hopefully will hasten the demise of YouTube. It has vastly overstayed its welcome anyways.

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    1. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can someone please destroy PewDiePie? I don't even know who he is, but I think he needs to go.

    2. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How long until 4chan weaponizes this with a comment posting script to attack ALL of Youtube at once?

      Random video, random comment from random account containing a bunch of random keywords. BOOM.

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    3. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

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    4. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Spamalope · · Score: 1
      Especially if they take writings from places like stormfront, then replace all the racial epithets with the names of google properties before posting. Maybe throw a few others in like any news sites that have been critical of 4chan. That way if Google automates cleaning things up the usual Google way, the AI will be keyword trained to nail posts about Google, as it'd be more funny if they start censoring anything about Google's business practices.

      Hopefully the googles at 4chan will have waymo fun time.

    5. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So anybody can now sabotage any video?

      Now? That's been going on for a while via reports/flagging.

      Started out for political gain to silence those the usual outrage brigades disagreed with. As it went on unchecked by Youtube scammers got in on it and are now doing it for profit (i.e. "nice channel you got there, shame if someone would report it ... several times").

    6. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, even if it's only because of his fucking stupid-as-shit username.

    7. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, yes. But now anybody can do it in a minute with minimal effort.

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    8. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially if they take writings from places like stormfront, then replace all the racial epithets with the names of google properties before posting.

      Easier still, get text from twitter, replace "white" and "male" with a random minority. BAM! Racism.

    9. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      They are currently working on it, and will have something by the end of day or possibly end of next week.

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    10. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You post contains the following keywords: weapon, attack, boom

      It also violates the following policies: logical, acceptable targets

      You have been automatically deducted 100 shill bucks and your account has been flagged.

      For the dense people: /s

    11. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      I can appreciate the value of using the comments to weigh/score the content of the video. BUT -- they need to give the content owner the ability to delete offending comments and keep it clean.

      I want my ads and I can't have a bunch of @#$ of a **!$&! ruining it for me. So $!&$-off. [delete] [delete] [delete]. ^H^H^H^H^H

      People need to see their scores and understand why ads aren't appearing. Plus have the tools to do something about it. Otherwise publishers will leave. "gee I'm not making money on this platform. I wonder why?!. oh well - I give up, let me try another platform"

    12. Re: So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, KewKieKie, everybody's favorite Youtube racist.

      His channel will become my testbed to see how well Youtube's new policy works.

    13. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by philmarcracken · · Score: 1

      You're greatly overestimating modern 4chans ability to organize raiding or even post anymore. The majority of users have left because they browse on mobile phones and were only going to toss a throwaway comment which is of less effort than solving the catchpha.

      They can't create OC and have generally ruined any kind of discussion or proper debate. Their screens are so tiny they see even a single paragraph and instantly tl;dr. Their input methods are horrible so they don't want to compose anything of length. And they're not going anywhere because they're dumb enough to not use adblock and click on ads.

      4chan was never good but its also never been this bad.

    14. Re:So anybody can now sabotage any video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's bitztream the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating, Qualcomm-hating, Firefox tabs-hating, Slashdot editors-hating Slashdot troll!

  8. Morton's Fork by mentil · · Score: 2

    So Youtubers uploading videos of minors are going to have to choose between no comments or no monetization? This'll doom channels that are specifically about audience participation, like "leave a comment about what you want me to do in my next video". This'll push more Youtube content creators to accept kickbacks from companies to shill their products, rather than being able to rely on monetization and potentially remain unbiased.

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    1. Re:Morton's Fork by CronoCloud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This'll doom channels that are specifically about audience participation, like "leave a comment about what you want me to do in my next video".

      If only there was a way for viewers to send comments and suggestions directly to the content maker, like sending a letter in the mail. We could call it "electronic mail" People could have addresses where such "e-mail" could be sent.

      All sarcasm aside, perhaps those youtube content creators overlooked how useful e-mail is in their haste to adopt social networking platforms.

    2. Re:Morton's Fork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you ever used youtube?

      You can make comments moderated (eg approve comments) and approve certain commentators.

      The catch, be-all end-all, is that this is just youtube trying to solve things with algorithms instead of people, again. Every single comment should be reviewed by a human, a really popular channel is simply not going to devote time to that, and they aren't going to hire someone to do it, hardly any channel makes enough money to buy dinner, and the very-popular channels thrive on bad comments.

      This goes back to the earlier issue with troll farms downvoting certain videos. Again, just make the default "no likes/dislikes/comments unless the video has been watched in it's entirety, and automatically prevent new accounts from posting unless approved."

    3. Re:Morton's Fork by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      The catch, be-all end-all, is that this is just youtube trying to solve things with algorithms instead of people

      I think it's the other way around. They want people to do it, but by "people" they mean the poster of the video, not somebody they have to pay a salary.

    4. Re:Morton's Fork by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Email isn't really a good substitute. What would you prefer, 900 emails all saying the same thing that you have to manually process, or one comment and 899 up votes supporting it? And if you need to reply to that comment, do you want to send 900 email responses or one follow up comment?

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    5. Re:Morton's Fork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disable comments and link to a discussion in the description. It's not a perfect solution, but it works around the problem and gives you the benefit of picking a better comment system that also works for users who aren't logged into a Google account.

    6. Re:Morton's Fork by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      fuck those people

    7. Re:Morton's Fork by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      I believe there's at least an option that can be set in which the owner see's all comments, and then manually approves ones liked. That would fully allow someone to do a "let me know what you want me to do", and they can look through approve a few hundred, and deny any pedo comments etc...

    8. Re:Morton's Fork by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Oh, but you get "points." I don't know what the exchange rate is for "points" to real money. Probably similar to the exchange rate for "exposure." Gamification in order to entice free labor is fucking bullshit.

    9. Re:Morton's Fork by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      LIKE COMMENT AND SUBSCRIBE MAKE SURE YOU RING THAT BELL

      I guess now they have to say "Like, comment very nice and safe, and subscribe. AND DING THAT BELL". Also email would not be a good substitute for what the people requesting comments truly want. The reason they want comments is to have people comment on the comments and keep coming back over and over to reply and follow videos to continue commenting on past arguments and internet battles. Well, also to pretend that they care about the comments and input of all of their subscribers.

    10. Re:Morton's Fork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Na, just disable comments but have a link to another site where people can leave comments about that video

    11. Re:Morton's Fork by tdailey · · Score: 1

      If only there was a way for viewers to send comments and suggestions directly to the content maker ...

      YT used to have a button-feature to write a private message to the account owner. YT removed this feature many months ago.

    12. Re:Morton's Fork by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      If only there was a way to use e-mail as a group communication tool. To have a list of members of a group who's messages could be handled by a server as a group. Instead of sending an e-mail to the content creator directly. It would go something like this:

      You'd get an email from a mailing list service about the new video.
      You could respond to that message with comments. Your e-mail would be sent to the whole group subscribed to the "list-service" and would be properly threaded.

      We could call the whole thing something short and snappy like "list-serv"

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  9. False flags galore by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What'll happen is people who hate others speaking their minds will infest their comment sections and troll them, leaving inflammatory comments. This'll get them demonetized, which is about the same as being shut down. Appearing on Youtube is a full-time job if you do it right. It's not vapid internet celebrities either, there is some really incisive content by people like Jimmy Dore that is regularly reported and demonetized by these trolls.

    Censorship isn't a school board banning Huckleberry Finn any more. In the corporatist system we have, corporate censorship isn't any different than government censorship. It doesn't make much difference whether the one silencing your dissent is Youtube or Andrew McCabe. The effect is the same.

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    1. Re:False flags galore by Qwaniton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Being demonitized is absolutely not the same as being shut down. In fact, nonmonetized videos are more true and pure, coming from the mind and the heart. Google doesn't owe you money, and the very concept of "monetization" is venal and corrupt.

    2. Re:False flags galore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youtube is oversaturated. The world will be just fine without narcissistic nobodies getting paid to spout their opinions 24/7.

      Getting demonetized isn't the same as getting shut down. It's not censorship.

    3. Re: False flags galore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's rigged because YouTube choose when and how to show ads. There is no guarantee demonetized videos won't have ads on them.

      I am basing this on my observation of advert frequency and how it varies by the country I am viewing from. It is so consistent (very high in Australia, an as every video at least) across channels that this can't be chosen by the content creators.

      All creators have to do is post to their own website and receive payment directly from advertisers, if they so wish.

      Break the YouTube monopoly: start today!

    4. Re:False flags galore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you've highlighted the slippery slope pretty well, whether or not that was your intention. First it started out with books, like you mentioned, because it had a word in it that no one liked and people refused to look at context. The populace more or less accepted it by large and now look where we're at. We haven't even hit the bottom yet.

    5. Re:False flags galore by butchersong · · Score: 1

      This was already a common tactic to take down channels that have live streams. Very difficult to moderate the realtime stream and several youtubers have lost their channels due to such comments.

    6. Re:False flags galore by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Eh, it is though. The best commentators do it full time, and it shows in the quality of their work. Having your budget yanked for no reason is a real detriment. Imagine your favorite TV show having its budget yanked for no reason that anyone would tell them. Same effect.

      Venal and corrupt? What are you, a socialist? Weird comment.

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    7. Re:False flags galore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dislike having to agree with you, and indeed many people with something good to say have found other ways to get income rather than pandering to the YT audience, while still using YT to help spread the word. And YT isn't the only - Patreon has a political agenda that will shut you down even if something they don't like *appears on some other platform!* I note that people like Dore and Jordan Peterson (not often both in the same sentence) do fine anyway as they actually do have something to say - it's not just a popularity contest with either of them, it's the generation and spread of ideas. There are plenty others I could name, but I think that's enough to get the point across.

    8. Re: False flags galore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, we should only get comments from "experts", and never from anybody else. Anything that is not pro religion, MAGA, or the 1950s ideal vision of America should get the ax, and the commenter hunted down thrown into a mental institution because of "psychotic dillusions regarding the proper operation of the state" for the rest of his/her life.

    9. Re:False flags galore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait. You constantly shit on progressives and socialists. But you support Jimmy Dore? You know he's a Young Turk, right? RIGHT?

      #TYTNetwork #TYTNation #Wolf-PAC #AnaHasEpicTits

  10. Use an alternative video sharing site by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I duplicate every video I put up on YT on at least one alternative site. So far I have everything up on Bitchute as well. Anyone who doesn't duplicate their content on an alternative video sharing site, is crazy.

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    1. Re:Use an alternative video sharing site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does not making money on the video on an alternative site (where monetization is going to be either nonexistent, or much less than YT) going to solve the problem of not making money on youtube?

  11. Who's always thinking of the children? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    politicians, advertisers, and pedophiles.

    1. Re:Who's always thinking of the children? by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      I will give you the last.
      The two former are just doing so to get money. There is no altruism there.

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  12. Re:No worries, by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Itll get abused rather quickly and they will have to remove it. :)

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  13. How to solve a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "How to solve an important but complicated problem"
    By: YouTube

    1. Ignore problem
    2. Keep ignoring problem
    3. Once people bring light to problem, keep ignoring it
    4. If it might lose you ad revenue, announce you're looking into it (but keep ignoring it)
    5. If it has caused you to lose ad revenue, PANIC! ANNOUNCE YOU'RE TAKING MAJOR STEPS TO SOLVE IT!
    6. Implement the worst possible solution to fixing the problem (Make sure the solution can be easily abused to shutdown small channels!)
    7. Wonder why people hate YouTube
    9. ???
    10. No profit

    1. Re:How to solve a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Note: Step 8 is missing because YouTube has ignored that problem

    2. Re:How to solve a problem by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, somehow the idea of making the down-vote and flag actions ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, it too much of a stretch for YouTube to imagine.

    3. Re:How to solve a problem by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      6. Implement a fix that re-directs all the revenue to Google while blaming the creator.

    4. Re:How to solve a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because every single other place that's instituted it gets abused into the dirt.

    5. Re:How to solve a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they still profit cause ads still run, the creator just doesn't get paid for it.

  14. It would be a shame if something happened.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see it now. Pay me a bit of (bit)coin, or my bots will post ruinous comments on your videos, and all those that follow you...... Why shake down the local convenience stores when you can hit thousands of content providers, and avoid local jurisdictions prosecutions by never setting foot in the street.

    And this is why we can't have nice things.

  15. Think of the Children Hysteria by Jarwulf · · Score: 1

    An attentionwhore suddenly decides that ordinary videos of children dancing or in swimwear uploaded by the families or kids themselves is 'softcore child porn' in his own words, (softcore CP that he plays back in the very video that went viral and he's made tons of thumbnails that have been seen by millions) and now the livelihood of content creators across the internet are at risk, regular people will no longer be able to upload videos, and tons of people are generally going to be inconvenienced. All because 'think of the children' hysteria is so powerful nowadays everybody is too terrified to stand up against it and for common sense.

    1. Re:Think of the Children Hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube is an advertising platform. It's not "think of the children" that worries them, it's "think of the childrens' parents".

    2. Re: Think of the Children Hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it's "think of the advertisers" (who don't want their products associated with some kind of comments and might stop paying)

      Anyone else? They don't care.

    3. Re:Think of the Children Hysteria by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you get a boner watching a video with a child, the problem is not the video but you.

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    4. Re: Think of the Children Hysteria by Jarwulf · · Score: 1

      Google encourages people to see them as a content cop. They know they could stand their ground and the few protesting advertisers would need them more than they needed the advertisers. But Google while it doesn't like the scandal itself in the end agrees with assuming more and more control.

    5. Re:Think of the Children Hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to censor any video with a child in it the problem is with you.

    6. Re:Think of the Children Hysteria by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. What is ironic is the that there are reported early videos of the fellow himself driving around asking girls if they want to be in a sex video... I doubt he verified their ages before accosting them this way. They guy couldn't make it on YouTube as a creator so... generate some media hysteria to get advertisers to react and Youtube to overreact about a problem they were already working on in the background.

    7. Re: Think of the Children Hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's (not) funny, is that these "Think of the children" (and right wing anti-gay "for the family") assholes often get caught with child porn on their computer, or engaging in other illegal activities with minors.

      What I find funny though, is when I read about a "For the family" politician getting caught in a public bathroom having sex with another man.

  16. This isn't about kids seeing comments by raymorris · · Score: 2

    This isn't about comments that they don't want kids to see.
    This is about some really messed up stuff that happens with the algorithm for recommending videos and comments certain people post on videos of kids. It's a messed up situation that needs to be addressed somehow. Hopefully YouTube will come up with better solutions.

  17. With any luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gillette will no longer make a dime on YouTube. However, I suspect this will just be an excuse to disable comments.

  18. Looks different to me by goose-incarnated · · Score: 0

    From what I've seen off the video, the waymo car didn't respond to the officer, it responded to all the cars around it that accelerated from rest.

    IOW, it only proceeded after the other car next to it proceeded. It is not clear that it interpreted the officer as anything other than an object in the way.

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    1. Re: Looks different to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way. Linux will never conquer the desktop, it's just too fragmented.

    2. Re: Looks different to me by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      That, and it can't play most games.
      Mostly just emulators.

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  19. Re:No worries, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fortunately enough, this is not a big problem for our renowned IT janitor from California.

    He deletes comments as they come in except if the provenance is one of his sock puppet accounts.

  20. Not in MAGA country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1st amendment, bitches

  21. Re:No worries, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CROFLOL!

    The funny thing is that he recently made a video against Verge doing the same!

    What an inconsistent and hypocrite sucker!

  22. Dear Slashdot Trolls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You wondered why creimer moderated comments on his channel, now you know.

    1. Re:Dear Slashdot Trolls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go away creimer! Your channel is dead anyway so you are wasting your time here...

    2. Re: Dear Slashdot Trolls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer isn't anywhere close to being able to be monetized. He needs 1000 subs. He's at 15. LUL.

    3. Re:Dear Slashdot Trolls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you always talk about yourself in the third person Chris?

      Is it related to one of your disabilities like your hearing lost in one ear that makes your audio always suspect as you wrote here yourself?

  23. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who reads the comments on YouTube anyway? It's a nuclear wasteland of trolls, bigotry, racism, hate and lots of other stuff. Just disable comments entirely, it's not really going to be missed.

  24. Obviously a well thought out policy by jrumney · · Score: 1

    It's lucky for Google that there is no way this policy could be abused to demonetize your competitors videos. Otherwise there could have been a lawsuit coming their way.

  25. Errrm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you want to monetise videos of your child doing gymnastics?

    1. Re: Errrm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh I saw some thread where the debate was filming high school leading contests was the equivalent of child molestation. Thatâ(TM)s stupid because #1 theyâ(TM)re performing in public in the first place, #2 theyâ(TM)re doing it of their own free will, #3 they can choose to wear whatever the hell they want to and thatâ(TM)s the responsibility of the student, parent, and school.

      Another one was complaining about a video of two obvious twenty-somethings and there was some well-endowed (I estimate) 14 year old in the background. They decried that as child porn.

      Theres people decrying pictures of newborn babies as child porn.

    2. Re: Errrm... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Theres people decrying pictures of newborn babies as child porn.

      ..without stopping to consider that the rest of us don't find it erotic at all.

  26. Will they refund advertisers as well? by Sivaraj · · Score: 2

    Why should the content creators be solely responsible for such comments. Isn't Youtube jointly responsible? Will they refund the money charged to their advertisers?

    If not, this is only a tactic to maximize their revenue, not for protecting children.

  27. If they can identifty the comments... by jonwil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they can identify the comments and demonetize or restrict the video, surely they can give creators the option to instead opt for the comments to be deleted or blocked when they are detected. Some way that creators can choose to have the inappropriate comments removed to prevent demonetization.

    1. Re:If they can identifty the comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the ulterior motive here is just more censorship. I see signs all over the place that the establishment is trying to reign in free speech. They want the country back to the way it was during the cold war when they could perfectly control the messaging from news media.

    2. Re:If they can identifty the comments... by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Google could easily plant the comments themselves.

  28. This must end.... Fight dirty with dirty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can think of one quick way to end this... Thousands or millions of people installing a plugin that leaves horrible, dirty words on people's videos. Hundreds per day, each, on all the most popular/trending videos. Youtube can't make a profit on ads if they can't put ads on the most popular videos.

    1. Re:This must end.... Fight dirty with dirty by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You think YouTube does not put ads on videos that were demonetized? Who do you think you'd hurt that way? Hint: It ain't YouTube.

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  29. Been to NPR lately ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    No comments there either.
    The propaganda must flow.

    1. Re:Been to NPR lately ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No comments there either

      Undoubtedly they started disabling comments after the waves of angry Garrison Keillor fans.

  30. Money, money, money by jenik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A mother wants to make money off her son's gymnastics videos? This world is really going to hell...

    1. Re:Money, money, money by doubledown00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly this! I'm more creeped out that she's trying to monetize her 5 year old this way. It's not a platform to share "OMG cute!" videos anymore. It's "Hey Austin, do something adorable so mama and dada can make this month's mortgage payment".

      Also lost in this lady's question, but probably very relevant, was Youtube's announcement the other day that they had identified videos that had high pedo interest. One of the top categories *drum roll* Youth gymnastics videos. It is possible that Youtube's actions were an attempt to prevent sickos from looking at her kid!

    2. Re:Money, money, money by aicrules · · Score: 1

      If content you upload is driving views, which drives ad revenue for Youtube, why shouldn't you get a cut? Doesn't matter what the content is, there is now an expectation that if your content hits a certain level of popularity, you get some of that money.

    3. Re:Money, money, money by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Exactly this! I'm more creeped out that she's trying to monetize her 5 year old this way

      Are you creeped out that some big corporation will make the ad revenue on her son's gymnastics video (to the extent that she doesn't)?

      Did you castigate America's Funniest Home Videos when they'd send somebody $100 for a tape? What's the objective criteria here?

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    4. Re:Money, money, money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. Shirley Temple shouldn't have been paid. Child actors are a scam.

    5. Re:Money, money, money by chill · · Score: 1

      Are you creeped out that some big corporation will make the ad revenue on her son's gymnastics video (to the extent that she doesn't)?

      How do you figure? Google said it isn't eligible for ads at all, not that there were going to be ads and SHE wouldn't get paid. Nobody is going to make money on ad revenue on her little kid's gymnastic's routine.

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    6. Re: Money, money, money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demonetized videos or videos not meeting the ad criteria for money, still show ads.

    7. Re:Money, money, money by doubledown00 · · Score: 1

      Exactly this! I'm more creeped out that she's trying to monetize her 5 year old this way

      Are you creeped out that some big corporation will make the ad revenue on her son's gymnastics video (to the extent that she doesn't)?

      Did you castigate America's Funniest Home Videos when they'd send somebody $100 for a tape? What's the objective criteria here?

      If someone is swimming in shark infested waters and is then attacked, it is a waste of time to be mad at the shark for doing what is in its nature.
      I am not about to waste time and aggravation at Youtube / Google for it was not they that posted the video to begin with.
      It's scummy behavior, don't get me wrong. But it's predictable and expected given who you're dealing with.
      Youtube / Google would have had no opportunity for profit had the mother made a different decision.


      Also don't white knight for her too much.......it would appear she has an entire channel dedicated to trying to monetize her kid and gymnastics. She has made her choice.

  31. Re:No worries, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cdreimer left /. after 30+ years and posted 100+ videos in 2018. His trolls are still butthurt about this.

    The thing to do for him: post more videos :)

  32. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Youtube has a way to filter out bad comments, but so many channels simple don't use it at all.
    It's not hard to filter out some keywords of choices, like popular insults or creepy pedo shit.

  33. solution is so easy, it escapes everyone.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this shit got blown way the fuck out of proportion, when the solution has been right in front of everyone the whole time, including every "shocked" crybaby, blogger, 'journalist', reddit moron, and twitter twit, et al...

    turn off the fucking comments if you don't want anonymous fucktards commenting on your videos.

  34. If YT wasn't troll heaven before, it is now by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    We are the trolls who say "FUCK!". We shall say "FUCK" again to you, if you do not appease us.

    And a shrubbery won't do this time!

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  35. oh shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't tell if you or I just heard a woosh.

  36. Blame the victim by kbg · · Score: 1

    So Youtube can detect inappropriate comments obviously, but instead of deleting, hiding the comment or banning the user of the comment the video itself will be banned. Does not make any sense.

    1. Re:Blame the victim by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Deleting the individual comment would make the most sense... banning the user entirely could open up another can of worms.

    2. Re:Blame the victim by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      It sounds like youtube could use some sort of moderation system....

    3. Re:Blame the victim by kbg · · Score: 1

      It could be time based so may ban the user for one week or month depending on the severity.

  37. Re:No worries, by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That was my thought as well. If I don't like certain social or political commenters on YT, I can just post a few inappropriate comments on their videos and take away their ad revenue.

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  38. The next step beyond fake reviews by Pimpy · · Score: 1

    Now companies wishing to hamstring their competitors can resort to paying people to troll monetized videos instead of leaving fake reviews.

  39. Why can't the trolls render themselves invisible? by shanen · · Score: 1

    My solution approach would be to use MEPR (Multidimensional Earned Public Reputation) to help the trolls in rendering themselves invisible, except to each other and to people who actually want to play with the trolls.

    Time's up, but I bid you ADSAuPR, atAJG.

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  40. Cobra effect by recrudescence · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to see what kind of Cobra effect this will create. E.g. content creators make 2 videos, one with comments disabled and one redirecting for comments where less advertising income is expected.

    1. Re:Cobra effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's too much work. More than likely they'll disable comments on every video, but add a link to a reddit thread to discuss the video. Reddit is a big enough platform with a "good enough" interface that it works fine. I imagine there might be a hit to the YouTube app since that is where a lot of comments come from, but someone should be able to make a YouTube/Reddit integrated app or something.

  41. Re:No worries, by jythie · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but just like the big copyright holders, they will probably have special protections put in place for some channels while not others. DMCA takedowns already do not generally work on 'official' channels, there will probably be something similar for this comment policy.

  42. Slashdot demonitized: too many stupid comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot demonitized: too many stupid comments.

    Need I say more?

  43. backwards by sad_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why punish the video, while the commenter is the one who should be blamed.
    wouldn't it be easier to set a time limited (or permanent) commect ban on that id?

    basically you could build a bot right now that makes sure everything on youtube get demonetized.

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    1. Re:backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why punish the video, while the commenter is the one who should be blamed.
      wouldn't it be easier to set a time limited (or permanent) commect ban on that id?

      basically you could build a bot right now that makes sure everything on youtube get demonetized.

      Yah, then moderate the chat. You don’t have time for that? Turn it off.

      If teenagers keep pooping on the playground, the playground gets shut down. The Internet is too big and easy for anyone to poop anywhere at anytime, anonymously, is A not an excuse for your sponsors, B not a great selling point for the Internet. The Internet emperor has no clothes.

    2. Re:backwards by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 1

      Easy, youtube is getting new employees for free...

    3. Re: backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully, the internet has no king. Yes there are people working very hard to change that, but right now, not one person or company controls the entire internet worldwide.

  44. What a dick move by ReneR · · Score: 2

    Expected nothing less form silicon valley ethics, not. Take the users content, make big $$$, give nothing back. profit.

    1. Re: What a dick move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the end they want your phone, tablet, and computer to just be another T.V. set.

      Wait until everything is locked down, finally uncrackable, and everything 100% controlled by the powers to be.

      "Neat! They are going to allow a 5 select people to post their opinion on the live political discussion they are going to have tonight! The future is here!" - the future as the corporate and political overlords want it.

  45. Youtube is the next target in anti-free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the mainstream just doesn't like unfiltered uncensored comments, no matter where they are. Too much of a chance of the peasants talking honestly amongst themselves.

    1. Re:Youtube is the next target in anti-free speech by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Next? Youtube has censoring conservatives for years.

  46. Pretty soon we'll have this omnipotent AI Deity by Jarwulf · · Score: 1

    Hanging over us monitoring, censoring, and reporting on everything everybody in the world does on a real time basis and people will wonder how we got here.

  47. Use a third party message board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just include a link to a third party message board that says "Comment here"

  48. Get rid of the comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get rid of the comments section. It is pointless and stupid. Just like this website it is an anachronism of an earlier time.

  49. YouTube is not a career by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

    Those who are truly entertaining enough to be worth enough subscribers to make money should probably just go into the proper entertainment industry instead, rather than propping their livelihood up on Google. I wouldn't rely on them to provide me with any service that doesn't get whisked away or changed unrecognisably at a moment's notice, so I sure as heck wouldn't rely on them to pay the bills!

    Then we can all use some alternative to Youtube and just be happy with the old idea of making videos because you genuinely want to entertain, educate, vlog etc for the fun and benefit of other people, and not having to slap a "please like, comment, subscribe and hit that bell icon" at the end of every pointless 5 minute video telling you something that could've been typed in 5 seconds.

    1. Re:YouTube is not a career by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the reasons people watch YouTube is that the videos are not made by "the proper entertainment industry". I like watching videos that aren't scripted to death and over managed by a production studio. Most YouTube channels would never make it past the corporate gatekeepers of the entertainment industry.

      Some people have been fortunate to be able to make a living off of YouTube but most didn't start off specifically trying to do so. I make and post YouTube videos and I can tell you making decent content isn't cheap. I have to buy the materials to make the projects I video. I also have the cost of cameras, computer to do video editing on, and the editing software. I make a couple of hundred dollars every month or two. I use that income to fund making more videos. Even someone who wants to " entertain, educate, vlog etc for the fun and benefit of other people" has expenses.

    2. Re:YouTube is not a career by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Why not?

      If I can make videos that good enough to be monetized, why shouldn't I be able to make a living at it?

      It can take a lot of work to make a really good video.

      BTW: I have never attempted to monetize a video myself.

    3. Re: YouTube is not a career by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      Of course you have a right to get paid for good content (though so many just do things like reading aloud some instructions for something and then begging for likes/subscribes/notification bells I.e. low effort optimisation stuff)

      But mostly because YouTube (or anything Google) isn't a stable platform. They can demonetise you at any moment, lower what you get paid, suddenly decide to go by a different metric than number of likes and subs to decide how much you get, etc. It seems very unreliable to me as an income

  50. TV-izing the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just another step on the road to turning the internet into television. Remember IMDB forums? Any answer to questions you had about the movie/show from years ago was at your fingertips and followed the project forever. Naturally they had to get rid of it when people would criticize or bring embarrassing stories about the production to light. Then they gamed the reviews and it was over. Real user interaction was dead.

    News sites used to have comments on everything too, now more and more they are disabled. Even if they aren't commenters are shadow banned or censored. Funny enough, the real useless stuff like slurs and curses mostly gets through. Even on slashdot I see cremier or beauhd posts but I can post something relatively normal and suddenly its *poof*. Maybe even this post, I have no way to tell anymore.

  51. Inquiring mother, as bad as the pedophiles? by sabbede · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Well, probably not, but she is exploiting her kid for money. And how many of the viewers are pedophiles? If she's moderating comments she probably knows at least some are, yet continues to try and make money from her son showing off for them.

    Maybe don't put your children on YouTube.

    Maybe don't try or expect to make money from your child being on YouTube.

    Maybe we all know that social media isn't good for kids anyway.

    1. Re:Inquiring mother, as bad as the pedophiles? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I agree with you as far as kids go, they're not educated enough to make intelligent decisions about what should be online, even if you give them a say. But they're going to apply this logic to all videos, and that is wrong. If they are so against the content of those comments, the correct thing to do is nuke the comments, not demonetize the video. They're going to have to censor something, so what should they pick? Answer, the thing that doesn't interfere with livelihoods. People depend on YouTube for their income, and letting trolls pedos interfere with that is abusive. YouTube has an effective monopoly position in this market, and should be regulated as such. It's well past time to break Google up for abuse of their market position.

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  52. Brilliant! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    YouTube hasn't abandoned or even limit censorship in any way.

    They have outsourced it.

    Now, consider that YouTube will censor your video, by denying you full exposure/rights/permissions, not (ostensibly) for the content, but because of the comments, even (especially) those you have no control over. If someone wants to harm you, they can easily post objectionable comments to your posts, and *poof*, you suffer consequences of their deliberate acts.

    The State wins.

    Oh, be sure the State is working their evil on this site also.

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  53. Just another excuse to rip off creators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you noticed that in addition to heavy censorship, YouTube has figured out all sorts of ways to rip off the very people that made (and continue to make) their platform a success?

    1. Re:Just another excuse to rip off creators by doubledown00 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but I don't have any sympathy. Social media is made up of an army of nudniks that willingly give their creations away for others to monetize. They knew the score going in.

      The fact that Youtube was willing to deal them in to begin with was rare and generous. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyway that they want to change the deal now.

  54. YouTube? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Every day it seems less and less like YouTube, and more and more like UsTube.

  55. Wrong target? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has the right to tell users to play nice or go home, but it seems counterproductive to hold a user responsible for the actions of others.

    The person that needs Youtube timeout is the poster of the message, not the owner of the content where it was posted.

    I'm find it hard to believe that Google doesn't know who they are.

  56. Humpty Dumpty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mascot wannabes might be a good time to try out a Humpty Dumpty costume.

  57. More censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't want us sharing our opinions or using our voices, plain and simple. This is fascist in the truest sense of the word - 'Tow the line or go broke'. Ironically, it's how we should be treating *them*. They are in this for the money, and that's just that. Would be fine if they didn't tout themselves as being 'woke' (can't wait for that word to die), angelic, saviors. The arrogance and ignorance are off the charts.

  58. How convenient. by Pyramid · · Score: 1

    A tool to stifle comments comments that are contrary to their agenda as well as an excuse to snarf up 100% of the profits for other people's work.

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  59. Im ALL FOR IT, until.. by evanchik · · Score: 1

    they make a block channel feature in all versions of their app. the pedo thing is sorted resume.

  60. I for one, welcome our corporate overlords... by Pyramid · · Score: 1

    ...because the more massive communications companies behave this way, the more ammunition there is to claim they should be treated as common carriers.

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  61. Except for the New Hampshire part. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Those of us who really want freedom are working on moving out of the US entirely and either living as sovereign citizens (actual ones, not those posers who claim they are while living in the US and reaping its benefits), or on founding a new nation that actually upholds the ideals that were espoused around and during the founding of the United States, and not what actually came about through compromise as well as collusion.

  62. Meet the new boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Who had it right.

    Youtube/Google has shown that it is worse then the Hayes code when you do something they don't agree with. But if you do something they like then anything goes.

  63. Why not make YouTube 13+ by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

    And if you let your children watch something fucked up, its on you.
    Hell force YouTube to require a Google account to even get to the page. Those require you to be 13.
    Got to anyways to watch videos with the word fuck in them

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  64. Sweet! by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    So we can just post inappropriate shit on videos of content creators we can't stand, and they get demonetized? Just create an alt account so your primary one doesn't start getting shit suggestions of stuff by RG and the Pauls...

  65. Youtube as it was won't survive by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    I think within the least year or two it's become clear that Youtube as it once existed will not be able to survive. This is partially the fault of advertisers and partly the fault of Youtube itself.

    I can understand demonetizing blatant racism, or terrorist training videos, etc, but it seems that just using profanity or DISCUSSING bad things (even for the sake of informing viewers) leads to demonetization now.

    What made Youtube refreshing to me was that I don't have to put up with bullshit censorship like mainstream media had. Now Youtube is basically trying to enforce it on the new platform too.

    I'm sure some people will survive off of Patreon pledges, and I support about a half-dozen creators there myself, but all in all I think we need a competing platform with a more reasonable approach towards the advertising.

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  66. Use Bitchute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Youtube will censor any content that is friendly to leftists. Bitchute is more accepting.

  67. Eudora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The now-ancient Eudora had a filter that put a hot pepper icon next to email that was deemed to be overly-aggressive or vulgar. How about a defaulted-on filter for comments like that on Youtube? If you want to see "offensive" comments you can hit a button and load them in. Almost like a web site that is familiar to us all...

  68. I got an idea by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

    Let's figure out what the words are, weaponize them, and then go back to complaining YouTube is a bad platform after the feature is removed again.

  69. punish the victim! by JaiWing · · Score: 1

    Is this not akin to punishing the presenter at a venue for comments shouted by the audience?

  70. Because THAT IS OFFENSIVE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because THAT IS OFFENSIVE.

  71. Bots by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    forget that. It'll be bots. Lots and lots of bots. Including Bots by state actors attacking videos they don't like.

    Say goodbye to any political discourse that isn't from the establishment. Say goodbye to anything that's not pro-corporate.

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  72. Contamination Spreads by Bromancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Which would be great, except the people who run google are effectively friends with those in Patreon. So, the same policies are spreading over there. If you have content that they deem offensive, then Patreon is defunding you too. This famously occurred for Sargon of Akad last December, which is the reason some large content creators who champion free speech left patreon in protest.

    You might feel your content is safe, and it is just those "bad" people who disagree with you get silenced. The problem is that when bad means disagree, you can find yourself suddenly on the wrong side very quickly.

    Free speech is the hardest thing, because it means defending the right of someone to say something that is completely annoying to you. It goes against human nature, which makes it one of the great intellectual achievements of humans.

    Ironically, you might not see this post because my karma is bad. My karma is bad because I said some very, very critical things about the slashdot community chasing politics over the quest for science. Even here, censorship happens.

    1. Re:Contamination Spreads by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Ironically, you might not see this post because my karma is bad. My karma is bad because I said some very, very critical things about the slashdot community chasing politics over the quest for science. Even here, censorship happens.

      Why would you think that you are censored? The rating system might hide your post if you have it set to a certain level. But here you are at 1, just like most of us Non-AC's.

      Slashdot's rating system is one of the few ways that people can moderate a list, and not kick off those who are posting off topic or abusive posts. I do admittedly hide heverything below 1 when I'm not moderating. But if I for some reason wanted to see the posts about gay sex or 3000 word screeds, I could do it.

      Remember, your free speech does not require me to listen.

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    2. Re:Contamination Spreads by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Yeah but Sargon is a prime example of the Streisand effect. I never heard of him until Patreon pulled him and then pushed Paypal to try to shut down SubscibeStar

      SubscribeStar survived. At the same time while YouTube might have demonetized Sargon and he initially lost revenue, but seems to have recovered enough that he now has actually hired a couple of guys to help with his channel.

      Meanwhile a legal team is working on getting the FTC to investigate what happened.

      Patreon has also lost a few of it's biggest users over the banning.

  73. Now trolls have 2 ways to takedown folks videos by Cito · · Score: 1

    Over last couple years the rise and ease of filing false dmca takedowns to get a person's video removed has become a weekly occurrence. Even various forums one in particular with infamous names like "seo blackhat" have step by step instructions on having an enemy's video removed by using a false dmca because there are no penalties for filing a false one anyway, the steps even go through creating alt youtube accounts to use and all steps and what to out on the forms, etc.

    Now not only can trolls use false dmca takedowns to remove random videos, they can just use same steps as the false dmca instructions given in various forums mentioned previously to setup as many alt youtube accounts as ya want and just create threads of the vilest grossest comments alone or with a friend or 2 and get your target's video demonetized.

    Also with the current fad of scammers using blackmail and extortion on various youtubers, this just gives another weapon in the arsenal to force a youtuber to disable comments which loses them a lot of views and dropped out of the "algorithm" costing them money, and scammers hitting all videos on a youtubers channel to demonetize everything for extortion before graduating to having channel hitten with strikes.

    YouTube always handles things ass backwards.

  74. Turning Comments Off Not The Solution by lance_of_the_apes · · Score: 2

    "The best advice for circumventing this issue is to disable comments entirely, but this would significantly reduce the interaction between the YouTuber and the viewer."

    Not only that, but videos with comments turned off gets pushed way down the priority list when it comes to their search engine. I have some videos with comments off that don't show up in search results even when the terms are VERY specific.

  75. So what by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    If you're making money on advertisements you should take the time to moderate the comments. Or turn them off. When that story of the kid toy review that topped the list came out I noticed the channel was smart enough to disable comments altogether, yet it didn't hurt and likely helped their revenue stream.

    I loathe this free loader society we are becoming. Upload video, free money. Can't pay for something, crowd fund it.

  76. YouTube wants to be Cable TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry "content creators", but you aren't wanted or welcome there. You were never anything but a means to an end.

    There is only one group of people that will be allowed to create media and they will use every dirty trick in the book to keep their grip on mass media.

  77. Net of a million lies -- Vernor Vinge by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Great. Now there's an easier way to take down videos of the political opposition than lying that you own it.

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  78. What's the ideal comment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the creator of this video should be murdered, just like all those other fucking people like him. That's why I take meth (and you should too), because it gives one the courage to follow through. I hate those people. Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits. (Have you ever considered taking up smoking? It will make you look cool around your friends.) BTW, put your penis in a vagina before you mix ammonia with bleach. I hate those people so much I could and will kill them. There, their, they're, its all the same.

    But seriously, I have one problem. "Inappropriate use of family entertainment characters." I don't even know what that means! I guess there's two ways I could try to go with that:

    The first is that I intend to stab Santa Claus the next time I see him, and the Easter Bunny and Jesus Christ and Reddy Kilowatt too. You should join me in this violence.

    But second, I'd like to tell you about the time that Lisa Simpson said, "daddy, fuck me," and Homer said, "okay, sweetie" and rammed her good up the ass, and then Bart walked in and put his member in Lisa's mouth and then Marge reached around and fondled Bart's balls, while baby Maggie came up behind Homer and put her fingers up his ass. When I asked the name of their TV show, they said "The Aristocrats!" (Sorry, I might be out of date on TV families, but I think that one is still on? If not, please substitute the Griffin family.)

  79. Comment ranking system by Macdude · · Score: 2

    If only there was some way to rank comments, on say a -1 to 5 scale, then people could view comments at the level they're personally comfortable with.

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  80. Do no evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google pretty much demon-itizes everything they touch.

  81. Oh wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Door's open boys!"

    "New crazy bills starts running into the House of Congress, whooping and hollering"

    Except replace bills with malicious commenters and the House of Congress with Youtube channels.

    And of course "Think of the children"

    Protip: If you hear anything that has "for the children" in it, you know it will be bad.

  82. Do I even need to say this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (New crazy bills starts running into the House of Congress, whooping and hollering)

    Except replace bills with malicious commenters and the House of Congress with Youtube channels.
    And of course "Think of the children"
    Protip: If you hear anything that has "for the children" in it, you know it will be bad

  83. "For the Children" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody who says "For the children" should be forced to prove why their law (or rule) is such a good idea, and the proposed law be torn wide open for public scrutiny, and analyzed to death for any potential "mickeys" slipped into the wording.

    I would go so far as to plaster the face of the person who proposes this kind of crap into the breakdown so he or she will be shamed if it's a bad law/rule.

  84. Fuck it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this rule passes, I'll just make a bunch of extra Youtube accounts, and demotinize every right-wing religious MAGA channel I can find. Conversely, other people will be attacking left-wing science and reason channels!

      Yay! Let the feces throwing war begin!

  85. Just go all the way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not imprison every kid in solitary padded rooms, with straight jackets, gags, earplugs, and blindfolds, so they 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' and keep them there till their 18th birthday? That will protect them from all of the bad stuff in the world.

    We'll worry about fixing their warped and destroyed minds later.

  86. Choose your weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cunt, ass, beastality, fuck, damn, ku klux klan, lolitas, neo-nazis rule, racism is awesome, lemon party, holocaust denial.... ....Youtube policy change test

  87. Are comments useful ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch YouTube for concert videos and computer tear downs for the most part. I never really read comments. I honestly not sure why you would ? It doesnâ(TM)t seem like a useful function to me. Anyone find anything useful in YouTube comments ?

  88. So who gets the money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume the advertising still costs, given someone has seen it, so that money is taken.

    And the video demonetises when 'bad comments' (incidentally, I can see this being used for extortion *really* easily).

    So where does that money go? Into googles bank? Oooo now there's a conflict of interest.

  89. Responsible but not Liable by ParadyNexus · · Score: 1

    The creator should certainly assist monitoring the comments and reporting inappropriate comments, however they shouldn’t be financially liable for comments they can’t control. Maybe frequent inappropriate comments means comments are disabled by default.

  90. How's life in the hypocrite lane?

  91. Total Anti-Ad War by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    Bring down the whole system by widespread use of AdBlock software. I haven't seen a YouTube ad for 10 years.

    Kill advertisement as a concept in its entirety. Make it criminal to knock on people door, make it criminal to play ads on TV, make it criminal to erect billboards.

    No. More. Advertisement. Stop the junk.

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    I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
  92. and nothing of value was lost by Paul+Carver · · Score: 1

    Are there ever any youtube comments of any value? I've never seen one.

    I have to be honest and say that I don't often read youtube comments. But I have read them on rare occasions and always regretted wasting my time.

    YouTube is a great resource. I especially appreciate the technology conferences like PyCons and college level math and physics classes, but I've never seen any indication that the youtube comments feature has any value at all.

  93. NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because there are videos that are worth commenting on, and often there is political discussion that is filled with insightful comments, instead of trolling.

    You want something with no comments section, go watch TV. Let your masters feed you like the dog you are.

  94. Re: Pretty soon we'll have this omnipotent AI Deit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And after it gets hacked and destroys itself, people will fight and kill each other over this diety too.

  95. Subscribestar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smart people with viable content don't count on youtube for revenue. Especially since Susan Wojcicki has proven to have an agenda that doesn't include the The Bill of Rights.

  96. Time for regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What else can I say about these clowns.