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Brightest Moon Fallacy
theLunchLady writes "Unfortunately, on 22 December 1999 we will not behold the brightest moon in 133 years. An article in Sky and Telescope dispels this myth. BTW: the story about the American Indians conducting a raid under this moon 133 years ago, because it was so bright, is also a myth; the raid was conducted while that big fiery thing was in the sky. " While I'm unqualified to comment on both comments, I'm sure some of you have comments.
Don't forget, one of the manned moon missions left a mirror up there, on the light side. (If you believe that it wasn't filmed in Studio 51, that is.) I'm sure that it increases the moon's albedo by some non-integer percentage!
Of course, that assumes that a maid comes by to dust every week. Nevermind.
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Well, I'd like to think most people here aren't
that gullible, but p'raps they got a number of
submissions about this.
I know I've read a few comments in other
articles bringing it up already.
I'm still waiting for it to cross my spool...
Merry Christmas...
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Last night/this morning I woke up and thought "Wow, that moon really is bright", and went over to the window. It took me a few seconds to realize that it was my neighbor putting up Christmas lights, with the help of a 500 watt halogen work light aimed right at my window.
The world could end, the moon is bright, Clinton asks crackers to play nice...
jeez, what a strange way to end a year. (I omit mention of the millenium to avoid dumb flames about the milleniums true end next year.)
My real worry is my co-worker who decided to spend the Holidays in Venezuela with his wife's family. I haven't heard from him yet. I'm not too worried yet as net access has to be pretty bad down there (especially during a disaster). Well, I'll pray to the extra bright moon or whatever.
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It's my job to freeze you. -- Logan's Run
As the article points out, the moon will still be at perigee (closest point in its orbit to the Earth) and it will be about 19% brighter than usual. To most of the people (who have received this email, and I know I've gotten it seven times so far) looking at the moon, this will not make a big difference. Full moons are always bright, and so they might *think* it's a lot brighter and then not bother to look next month to compare. Personally I observe the moon every month (leftover habit from astronomy classes) and I have noticed the slight difference, but yeah, it doesn't merit the bandwidth that's been wasted on this.
:)
I still think it's neat to have a full moon on the Winter Solstice, though
You choose who you want to believe.
Malachi
"Life is all about strategy, mathematics and psychological perceptiveness."
Hehhehe - Ooops! I messed up on this one too - I took it at face value, and passed the same info on to my fiance. After all the times I've told people to check the facts before forwarding information, I end up doing it myself. *SIGH* Oh well...
But, even if it isn't the brighest moon, it's still kinda cool that it's an event that won't occur again for a while (the entire set of events occuring in a 10 hour span) and hasn't occured in quite a while. Just happens to be there's nothing interesting to really watch...
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Call me cynical, but I bet that most people who've gotten the email will see that the Moon is brighter than usual ... because they expect to. Humans are notoriously poor observers, and will often see what they expect to see, whether it's there or not.
On the plus side, maybe a few more people will remember to look up. Maybe it's partly because I live in a city, but sometimes I think I'm one of the few people who ever notices the sky.
Okay, the article says that the high and low tides are going to be a bit extreme because of the three events, but it doesn't say how much. 25% higher/lower than normal? An extreme neap tide?
Or am I just semi-paranoid?
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Okay, maybe this isn't going to be the brightest moon of all time. I'm sure that the original information upon which the story that this refers to never claimed it would be. However, for those of us who are blessed with a clear sky tonight, the full moon should be brighter than we typically experience during a normal month.
As far as stories of secret indian attacks carried out by the bright light of the full moon, it is about as plausable as the story about the Space Shuttle size being dictated by Roman Chariot wheel spacing. Sure, it sounds like a neat explaination, but that doesn't make it right. I'm not qualified to say whether its wrong.
Regardless of the relative brightness of this full moon, I doubt if I will get to see it, based on the local weather. Anyway, this isn't the full moon I care about. Its Next Month's full moon that is something to look at. That is when we get to see a Total Lunar Eclipse. This event occurs on the evening of January 20, between about 9:30 pm EST and 2:30 am EST., with totality lasting from 78 minutes between about 11:00 pm EST and 12:20 am EST. Be sure not to miss this one, because we won't see another one in the us until May 16, 2003.
Mike Eckardt meckardt@spam.yahoo.com
Is it just me or is anybody else sick of all of the supersticious goo and various other scare mongering flying about just before all four digits in the Christian year flip?
Isn't this just another symptom of rampant Milleniophobia? No matter how much it's debunked by Science, the supersticious apolcalyptophiles will still stick to their supersticions like flies to tape.
*sigh*
-M
PS: What disappointed me most is that the nuclear waste dump on the Moon's Far Side didn't blow up in September after all. Moonbase Alpha is still safe.
I haven't recieved the Full Moon Forward yet. I feel so isolated and lonely :)
:)
On the other hand, I have recieved Elf Bowling *seven* times, The Elf-Bowling-Is-A-Virus thing twice, and Christmas Carols for the Mentally Deficient 4 times.
I think junk email distribution patterns would make an interesting area of study for Information Theorists
Dana
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Could it be possible that NASA is testing their new laser propulsion system on the moon and pushing it away from us? ;)
Assuming you weren't joking, going to the Moon to try that out would cost hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars more than just to do it in Earth orbit.
How am I supposed to sacrifice my goats to the god reatsintpeont now that the celestial brightening will not commmence tomorrow...oh well..they're taking care of the garbage in my yard pretty well....i guess I'll leave them there.
Until next time....then the celestial provocation shall commence! All shall fall to my feet!
I'm serious. No, really, I am.....*snicker* DAMN! oh well. I guess you know the truth now.
At least it's a lot easier to believe than "forward this to 50 of your friends and Bill Gates and Walter Disney Jr will give you $5k cash and a trip to Disney World" or "forward this to 90 people and get a free Honda Civic."
What amazes me is how people continually will believe anything they find in their inbox or on a web page. Our parents, our friends, even the news media (does anyone remember the Arizona news station that reported on a "Good Times"-like virus warning they got in their mailbox?)
It seems so obvious, but so many people are led to believe that if it's in print and sounds semi-official, it must be true. People believe unless they have a reason to doubt, and on the net you don't survive unless you do it the other way around.
Someone tried to convince me that this was true today by arguing, 'Well, the moon is going to be really close to the earth and the sun's going to be directly behind it.' Hrm, sounds to me that it would be day if the sun was in the sky.. It's funny hearing how people get mislead and everything just propagates. Wish this got posted last night ;)
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A few folks said they heard it was going to be possible to drive without their headlights since the moon was going to be oh-so-bright... Let's watch for an increase in accidents
Oh well, we all know that night's when the sun goes to sleep anyway - 's why NASA's planning their Sun Polar Observer mission to land during the night...
-keen
The brightness will also be from Santa giving his test run about the sky. He'll probably be going about in his excercise clothes, shorts and tank-top. Due to the cold at the north pole, Santa will be white as a ghost, and make an excellent reflective surface to add the extra bit of brightness.
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...but doesn't the article then go on to say that it *will* be the brightest full moon in 69 years (since 1930)?
So, it's not a *total* non-event.
Why doesn't the gene pool have a life guard?
Some people just don't have a complete grasp on the depths of profound sarcasm. Or, in some cases, not-so-profound, bluntly posed sarcasm.
I am, therefore you think.
Why would any one have a raid under a bright moon? Did they want someone to catch them? I know the indians were much smarter then that. If we believe this then we are much more gullible then we get credit for.
um...what's with the chronic posts about how "perl sucks" and "tc shoves ____ up his ass"? i've never met him myself, but i would, honestly, like to know what the deal is. is he really that big of an @55#013 ??? and what the hell is your beef with perl? you're obviously on some kind of mission...so what is it that you're *for*?
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See, I saw the e-mail and thought, 'Wow, what a funky hoax!' But then I realized that the e-mail is partially true. What's really the fact here is that this is indeed (at least in the northern hemisphere) going to be the darkest night. Why? Well, the night will be the longest of the year and thus, darkness will have a chance to soak in and penetrate everything. Couple this with a new moon and the moon becomes even brighter, because as everyone knows, light objects on a dark field are lighter than the same shade object on a lighter field (it's a perception thing). Thus, it's really about the darkest night of the year.
As for the Indians, I thought the US's Thanksgiving was last month.
The guy has a +1 bonus for having a high karma.
I do to, but I always turn it off.....
Myddrin
As the article states: "Ocean tides will be exceptionally high and low that day" read the article -- THEN post. sorta like pull down your pants -- THEN take the dump.
I am, therefore you think.
Oh great, the next one just started. 'This is part of a study looking at junk e-mail flow in modern society, please forward this on to whoever you usually forward this crap too.'
:)
I guess I'm going to hell now (if you're right, I'll deserve it!)
Dana
Welcome, newbie. People who have posted good comments in the past, giving them a high "Karma", which makes their posts start at +2 by default. It's possible to check a box that makes your comment start at +1 anyway, but IMHO that should only be used when replying to an offtopic comment, like I'm doing now.
If that comment is really unworthy of a +2, the moderators will sort it out. Okay?
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It is easier to understand the proliferation of messages that communicate ideas that are contrary to the intent of their proliferators (in other words, people think they're spreading legitimate information but in fact are talking crap) if you see these communications as the result of natural selection rather than conscious creation.
It's the same principle that has allowed us to make much more sense out of the natural world by trying to understand it as the product of evolution, rather than trying to interpret it as the residue of God's Plan.
Replying to my own post, how chic.
According to http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIAC Hoaxes.html#elfbowling it is a hoax, and my mother can go on enjoying life to its fullest, thanks to shockwave games.
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Why can't I moderate something "Wrong" or at least "Grossly Misinformed"?
Yes, it will be brighter, but only 7% brighter than when the moon is FARTHEST AWAY! Which we hardly ever see anyway. Thus it will actuallu appear about 3-4% brighter. You think you could tell the difference?
Also it is noted that it will appear 14% "bigger", but they dont tell you bigger than what. It appear to have a suraface area 14% larger than if it were at the FARTHEST POINT AWAY from the earth. Still, this means an actually "growth" of maybe 7-8%
Doing the math in my head an thinking its correct, this translates to AT MOST a 5% increase in the width of the moon. Again, do you think you could tell?
It's like that psychology test where the subjects say that thier lemonade is "twice as sweet" only after 16x the amount of sweetener is added. Simply put, we wont be able to tell.
Yaaay for Canadian news sources :) I'm waving to the Star people right now .. excellent people all of them :)
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It's a hoax. Look at
a me.hoax.html
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/y2kg
My guess is that someone noticed that the game tries to connect to the internet when the player wants to save the high score, & assumed the worst. I've played it enough times to seriously doubt that it's a trojan -- it's just a cheesy & fun little game.
You can also follow the thread in alt.comp.virus, too -- although last I looked it had degenerated into a flamewar.
Geoff
I think I see a trend here. Maybe for them it really would be easier to muzzle the entire internet than to produce p
> The end times were prophesied ages ago, and I firmly believe that we are living in them. Firmly enough to send me a signed contract assigning your worldly belongs to me as of 1/1/2001? After all, if you're right, you won't be needing them... Let's see you put your money where your mouth is.
[grin] I am human, and as a result I'm generally a poor observer. But it helps a little that I'm aware of it. Most people are under the delusion that they're good observers, and so they don't have any clue how many mistakes they make.
(And don't even get me started about poor reading skills and lack of basic reasoning ability! Argh!)
It is a common misconception that the winter solstice is on the day that the Earth is at perihelion (closest approach to the Sun). Actually, even more common is the belief is that the winter solstice is the day that the Earth is *farthest* from the Sun, but that's another matter.
Anyway, "Perihelion Day" is actually sometime around the second or third of January (S&T's skygazer's almanac can tell you). This puts the Earth-Moon system closest to the Sun. The closer to a luminous object you are, the more of that object's light impacts your surface.
During a full moon, the moon is directly opposite of the Sun (from Earth's point of view). The day in which the bodies line up Sun-Earth-Moon (ie. full moon) on which the Moon subtends the largest solid angle of the Gaussian sphere centered on the Sun is on "Perihelion Day". Making the assumption that the Moon's albedo is constant (a pretty good one), this is the set of circumstances that will maximize the amount of reflected sunlight from the Lunar surface.
Thus, I believe the guys at Sky & Tel. After all, Discover is a general science/technology magazine. S&T specialize in this stuff.
Eric
You are confused on who the newbie is. Look at your user number, then look at mine.
Karma is one of the reasons I hate the 'new' slashdot. Now days I only check it when someone tells me there is something worth reading.
Sadly thats not very often.
Hmmm... well, let's see... The universe, strangely enough, does seem to have an order to it, at least in the way celestial objects move.
Oh, and calendars are generally based on lunar happenings, celestial ocurrences, etc.
Why does this culmination surprise you? Why would even a coincidence surprise you?
I'm glad I didn't get this news any sooner! I talked my wife into letting me open my Christmas present, a Meade DS 114 EC, early, so I'd have time to assemble and get used to using it, before the 22nd! So it wasn't all a loss! (Although she may make me pack it back up now :( )
Holy mother of God, what did you do to so totally lose your sense of humor?
Not since 1866 have a full moon, the winter solstice, and lunar perigee been bunched so closely in time, within ten hours of each other. The Earth, the sun, and the moon will be in a straight line and the moon will be in perigee, circumstances that produce the highest tides.
The situation is called a perigean syzgy, and it has dramatically affected weather patterns in coastal areas in the past. Storms that reach the coast during these times of unusually high tides have been known to cause sizable storm surges.
But it'll still be pretty bright...
I guess I am not good enough.
"That must be the Daystar. I've heard talk about it." :)
you're on the wrong geek mailing lists is all. You don't hear about the latest-and-greatest things that either are ripped off of /. or will shortly appear there.
the lists that it sounds like you're on are the lists populated by people who probably aren't terribly computer literate, and so when they see some junk mail having to do with computers, they forward it on to you... their "computer" friend.
This tendency is much like the "Computers for Dummies" x-mas gift that was fronted on earlier.
- passion
What about the other Millenium astronomy myth? Namely: on May 5th 2000 the planets will all line up and destroy the earth. Well guess what? It bogus as well. www.relativedata.com has a nice shareware planetarium software that I like. You can see this alleged "lining up" and it's nowhere near a straight line. I think Sky & Telescope debunked this pretty well by showing that there have been half a dozen times in the last couple of centuries that we've had a tighter line up and we will on 5/5/2000 Remember about a year ago when the news was reporting that all the visible planets were "lining up" in the sky for a once in a lifetime event? Think about that folks: If they all orbit in essentially the same plane then they're ALWAYS in a straight line arn't they? The real story was that the planets were in the same part of the sky at the same time such that right after sunset you could see Mercury, Venus, Earth (look straight down for that one), Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. But then again, I'm too old to expect accuracy from the media. Rant off.
That is from an excellent debunking and explanation of this e-mail, which can be found here, at the Urban Legends Reference Pages, an excellent source of well-researched debunking. (I was a couple of days shy of being the first one to debunk the violent kangaroo myth.)
Apparently, the last time the moon was at perigee during the full moon was...last month. It just wasn't the solstice.
Like I said, whoop. Dee. Doo. (I'll have to at least take a look anyway...I actually set my alarm to get up in the middle of the night to watch the Leonid meteor shower, which turned out to be a total bust.)
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Whats wrong with you?!? Advertising your AllAdvantage ID on a /. thread. Man, you're sick. Sounds like something Dan Quale or Bill Gates would do...
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reply to a comment, but here I am...
Well, as much as I despise Microsoft, I have to
say that Encarta Online is no great tome of facts, but it sure beats the comic books that you've been using for reference.
Grow up, stop whining, and try not to shoot yourself in the foot with that gun of yours. They are for responsible adults, not wanna-be adolescents, junior.
I think you really are gay, and just can't stand the truth about yourself. Why else would someone
be so vitriolic about something that has nothing to do with thier own sexual preferences?
Just a straight person's perspective of your post.
Oh yeah... your REAL daddy is black. Hope it hurts.
My ex-wife is from La Giuia (sp) where the airport was, and she has family there. East of the airport is gone - period. Catia La Mar is better (west of the airport), her brother is there and is realtively in one piece but w/o electricity. If your friends are in Caracas and staying anywhere away from the hills, they should be okay. It's a real mess there though. Road from the airport to Caracas is out, all the ranchos that surround the city are just gone. They do have some phone service and some 'net connections, but it's going to be bad for a while. I didn't hear how the airport fared, but my guess is that it's in pretty bad shape.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
This morning during my commute to work, the manager for the observatory at the University of Colorado was interviewed on the KBCO morning show. The observatory manager said that the moon should be approximately 7% brighter than average this solstice. A little bit brighter, but you probably won't notice unless you regularly track the moon.
MilleniumNut: The world is coming to the end!
...and the Bible says quite clearly (when translated by babelfish from it's original text scanned in with a very bad OCR program and a lousy scanner) that the world is going to end 2000 years after the birth of Christ!!!!!
SanePerson: Why?
MilleniumNut: Because it's the millenium, dude!
SanePerson: And what does that have to do with it?
MilleniumNut: It's been 2000 years since the birth of Christ!!!!
SanePerson: Oh, well, did you know that the monk who calculated Jesus' birthday made a mistake and it was later calculated that his real birthday was around 3 or 4 B.C. That would mean that 1996 or 1997 was 2000 years after the birth of Christ. It doesn't appear that the world ended a few years ago.
MilleniumNut: Well, there's going to be a really big Ricky Martin concert!!!!!!
SanePerson: OK, that could cause the end of the world. I'll give you that one.
Strange that you mention this. During the solar eclipse last summer, there was that bizarre cult built around a strange piece of computer software. The members of this cult did exactly that: many signed away most of their life savings to an obscure startup in North Carolina. Some even got upset when said startup wouldn't accept their pagan gifts.
Actually, the alignment you mention has happened in the past history of the solar system and the planets seem to have all survived the event. That is not to say that there were no unusual geological events and such, though.
My take on the increased number of earthquakes and such hitting population centres is that major earthquakes occur a number of years apart along a given fault and either when the last ones occurred, nobody was there to measure them or feel them, or there was not a significant population there in the first place. We don't have accurate enough records for long enough to know what is "usual" for earthquakes and such over time. The other question is how many of these earthquakes were triggered by the daily activities of the populations living on the fault lines?
Then there is the fact that the year numbering scheme we are using is essentially arbitrary. The choice of beginning of the year counting was made based on a significant event (and miscalculated, but that is another can of worms) so the fact that we have some extraordinary events happening all around Y2K is more of a fluke than anything. I suspect however that if we looked carefully, we would find a number of events that were unusual occurring fairly frequently; after all, there are a large number of things that do not occur all the time but do occur occasionally.
Basically, my take is that there is no real significance to there events other than the fact they are rare.
If it works in theory, try something else in practice.
Isn't it interesting how the poster accepts the fact that the original story was wrong, but then latches onto the newly found facts to justify the end of days theory. Sure it's coincidental. Cool!
He ignores the fact that rare events occur all the time. Selection bias and our natural propensity to locate patterns causes some people to cluster them around seemingly significant events. Yes there will be a close alignment of planets on May 5 next year, but close alignments of planets occur every year to varying degrees. Why is May 5 significant, anyway? Wouldn't January 1 be a better date for a planetary alignment signaling the end of days? What about the rare catastrophic hurricane in Central America that occured last year, or the impact event in Siberia back in 1907? Or how about that ham sandwich I had for lunch yesterday? What do these and other rare events portend?
The significance of the impending turning of the celestial odometer is the result of a largely arbitrary decision made in the 16th century by the Roman Catholic church that (correctly) saw the need to standardize the calendar. They no more knew the exact date of Jesus' birth than you or I do. Oh yeah, there's also our long held custom of using a base 10 numerical system. That plays a part.
If we had 8 fingers instead of 10, we'd be celebrating the year 3720.
Four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still. -C. Coolidge
Why don't you go hide in the woods with the other nuts and eat your K-rations. The rest of us will live our lives realizing that there is no special significance to the year 2000. Keep in mind that: A. historians are in universal agreement that Jesus of Nazereth was NOT born 2000 years ago...but somewhere between 2002 and 2006 years ago. The bible says he was born during the reign of Herod...and Herod died 2002 years ago. So we already passed the 2000th anniversary of his birth. B. It is only the year 2000 for Christians. It is 57??-something for Jews and god-knows-what for the Chinese. For more than half of the world's population this year has no significance whatsoever. Christians like yourself have such a Christian-centric view of the world that they have lost their ability to think rationally. Hell....half the Christians I know think it's blasphemy to say that Jesus was a non-white Jew. The 'events' that you are giving such significance to are no more prevalent this year than in years past...you are just noticing them more because you are a flaky religious nut who has been looking for signs of the apocalypse ever since the day you were "born-again".
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-Don't mind me, I'm personality-deficient and mentally-impaired.
Photons are just a fake concept to hide the truth from the common man. Light is just the absence of dark. Dark is spread by sub-atomic particles called "darktrons", and the effects you observe are easily explained. What we know as "lights" are really only darktron suckers. They remove the darktrons in a straight line from where they are. This is why you can put a piece of wood between you and the "light", and it is darker on your side - you are creating a dam for the darktrons. The "bending of light" effect is also explained by darktrons. The sucking power of these "lights" (notably the Sun) is strong enough to even pull some darktrons from around corners, which creates an slightly curvi-linear pattern. This is just another conspiracy by "The Man" and his white-lab-coated minions to deprive us all of the truth!!!
So his comment about dark "soaking in" is perfectly ok - since the darktrons take time to replenish - in super slow motion you can actually see the dark making its way back towards the "light"... foolish mortals
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Yes, the moon will be 20% brighter than it has been in the last 60-odd years. This would be all the more interesting if the human eye reacted to light linearly, rather than logarithmically. (1/5th brighter... wow! Right? nope...)
.3 (mA - mB = - 2.5 log (IA/IB)).
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The moon has a "normal" magnitude (estimated brightness the eye perceives) of about -16.9 (the smaller the number, the brighter the object; the sun is magnitude -26.8).
Increasing that by 20% - heck, let's be generous, 30% - gives us a difference in magnitude of roughly
So the apparent change in the moon's brightness - in its magnitude - will be from -16.9 to -17.2. This difference IS linear, so I'll let you do the math - not one heck of a difference, and not really enough to be seen with the naked eye.
Just thought I'd clarify
Be careful. In these 'politically correct' times, you might get sued by a union of hermaphroditic garbagemen. Or you may have insulted a large number of low IQ, sexually redundant racoons.
You never know. Stranger stuff has happened.
Ender
Nothing to see here
Everybody put in everything that they own and the ones that don't get raptured get to split the pot.
If you ask me, I'm not gullible enough to believe that all of this is some sort of fantastically remote coincidence. Absolutely not. The end times were prophesied ages ago, and I firmly believe that we are living in them.
Really, people have been convinced that they're in the End Times in every generation for way more than 2,000 years. The "signs" you point to are just coincidences. An arbitrary number of "unusual" events will occur within any arbitrary time span if you have enough potential "unusual" events to choose from. Earthquakes, mudslides and random celestial events happen all of the time. Remember Odd Day?
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wow. i guess you never went to a museum of history. (can you spell history?)
If what you say is true, please cite a source that says that where these treaties got signed and why all these people are on reservations.
I'm really curious.
I guess I need to continuing putting my disclaimer on my posts ...
...
.. he said 'moon'."
NOTE: This post not for the humor (or humour) impaired
And now, to bring this slightly back on topic
"Hehe
I've received the moon one twice on mailing lists, and my co-worker keeps trying to send me Elf Bowling. She got the virus hoax letter and got real worried. I knew it was fake but didn't bother to tell her. I thought it served her right for running binaries from goodness-knows-where. I got kicked off a mailing list once for having the nerve to post links to urban-legend debunking sites after the 4th or 5th ill-considered chain mail. I hate chain mail on mailing lists. The Net won't collapse from Y2K, it will be from all the darn chain mail and forwards...
How many karma do you have to have to get the +1 bonus, anyhow?
God-damnable eggheads with their facts and figures, but do any of them really know how to feel anything!?
and the people on the reservations? I live near one, please don't tell me that they are holograms.
btw, i haven't seen you cite any sources to convince me that you aren't just making this up.
care to enlighten me with these great texts that I haven't come across?
One night some years ago, there was a full moon on Halloween. I and two other teenage hooligans went driving around in the country turning a bunch of mailboxes 180 degrees. [Why? Because they were there.] I assure you that the full moon was more than bright enough to see where you were going.
There is one thing that the full moon at perigee provides, and that is an opportunity to photograph the full moon when it appears at its largest in the sky. Then the same photographic arrangement can be used in six months to capture the full moon at close to its smallest in the sky. If you then place the two photographs together side-by-side, the 10% size difference between the perigee full moon and the apogee full moon will be noticeable.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
The 1912 event is undoubtedly the real winner, because it happened on the very day the Earth was closest to the Sun that year. However, according to a calculation by Belgian astronomer Jean Meeus, the full Moon on January 4, 1912, was only 0.24 magnitude (about 25 percent) brighter than an "average" full Moon.
Call me an uninformed yokel if I'm wrong, but isn't Dec. 21/22 the day the Earth is closest to the Sun? I thought that was one of the main things about this so-called brightest moon. Sounds to me like the full moon in 1912 happened a couple of weeks later.
how typical of a rich suburban porch honky to proclaim that we do not and never have existed...and do so as an "anonymous coward".
more apropriately, you should have posted as "INSECURE WHITE BITCH".
i knew once i saw this irrelevant story & it's mention of my people that some little culturally-deprived BOAT PERSON would try, yet again, to convince the world that we never existed so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NOT NATIVE TO THIS CONTINENT. "scientists" have been trying for decades to convince the world to believe in the theory that we 'migrated' to this continent centuries ago from asia. too bad that theory is a load of shit. try reading "red earth, white lies" by vine deloria & you might start *admitting* that you've been lyed to all of your life, instead of passing on the tradition. your boat people predecessors came to this country to seek religious & political freedom from the cesspool that europe had become - even your history books don't deny that fact; but what happened was that they choose to persecute OUR ways of life. never mind the fact that the basic concepts of the u.s. constitution, which "give" you your way of life to this day, were based on the ideals of the iroquois. you can also forget the fact that if it weren't for MY PEOPLE, you wouldn't BE HERE...THAT'S WHY "THANKSGIVING" EXISTS: BECAUSE THE 'PILGRIMS' WERE ALMOST DEAD FROM STARVATION AND COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO OBTAIN FOOD WITH OUT DOMESTICATED ANIMALS AND LABORED CROPS...but we helped them.
only to have them turn on us and act like we never existed.
it's people like you that that this world would be better without. i try as hard as i can to see others as *people*, not *skin*. but when i hear sheltered ignorance spewed out as if it were fact, i cannot help but to lash out.
maybe i shouldn't, though. after all- you really just are another pathetic product of what uncle sam wants you to be. of course there is barely any mention of us in your history books. why would he want you to know that this country was founded on theft, deceit, murder, rape, greed and corruption? we *all* know that that is exactly what runs the country today, but you never hear the government (in any form) admitting it, do you? no. so why is it so hard for you to realize that while society has made great advances, human nature never changes? those that kill and steal to gain power are not going to admit to the uninvolved (the little people- like you & me) that they ever did so.
put down "the white man's bible" and pick up any book by vine deloria. pick up "bury my heart at wounded knee" by dee brown. read "in the spirit of crazy horse" by peter mattiessen. but i must warn you: you just might end up being ashamed of what you stand for right now. because you'll actually learn some of the brutal truth about "how the west was won", and how my people were slaughtered so that yours could fill thier pockets with yellow metal.
...now back to my hacking.
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big boys use bsd.
somewhere in the upper twenties...
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
WHY ARE ALL OF YOU PUSSIES POSTING ANONYMOUSLY IF YOU ARE SO READY TO DEFEND YOUR VIEWS WITH "LETHAL FORCE"?
YOU HAVE NO GUNS. YOU HAVE NO BALLS. YOU HAVE NO PURPOSE.
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I'm starting the net.rumor that the moon is going to collide with the Earth sometime tomorrow. This will , In addition to causing really big tides, also eliminate all the y2k problems we'll be facing in a little over a week. :-)
:-) :-)
I've pointed out to a few people that if NASA and astronomers knew this was going to happen they wouldnt tell the general population for fear of panic.
Love to scare the shit out of people. I think I was born to do this.
I'm so evil.
Probably because he was too busy going after the Jews. He was a "Christian" too, you know. He did, AFAIK, also persecute/imprison/kill a good amount of Catholics, but nowhere near the scale to which he persecuted/imprisioned/killed Jews.
how about a text that shows me that the people that I have actually met never existed?
texts that say how/why all this was made up.
where did you get your information? i really
am fascinated, at this point.
surely there must be some document explaining how
an entire world has been tricked.
or are you saying that you figured this out on your own ( with the assistance of crack or PCP, i would assume)?
You mean, in the tenth century, when the Vikings arrived? (who incidentally "discovered" America long before Chris Columbus did).
The earth-luna system is *not* a tidy little two-body problem where every player always follows the same orbit. It's not even a pure three-body problem since any real solution must account for the earth's equatorial and tidal bulges (although they are often time-averaged into a single bulge).
On earth, we get our angle of inclination bobbing around between 22-24 degrees (approx) *and* slowly drifting around the entire sky over tens of thousands of years. We also get slow changes of the earth's orbit due to the other planets; many people believe these changes are directly related to the ice ages.
On luna, it gets an orbit which oscillates between nearly circular and slightly elliptical, all while slowly moving away from the earth as energy is lost raising the earth's tidal bulges. (Remember: less total energy = a *higher* orbit due to the tradeoff of kinetic energy for gravitational potential energy. It's only hard for us because we're coming up from the planetary surface and have no KE.)
All of this means that lunar perigees are not created equal and the perigee tonight is *not* the same as the perigee last month or a perigee a month from now.
More generally, the perigee is solely a function of the earth-luna system and a full moon is solely a function of the sun-earth system -- there is absolutely no connection between perigees and full moons. This means that perigees and full moons occuring at the same time are a statistical fluke - you're just as likely to have a new moon and perigee at the same time.
Finally, the local newspaper reported that the full moon will be unusually high in the sky (in the NH) because of the solstice, but I'm not sure about their logic. If true, this full moon could very well light the ground better than average for the same reason our seasons are tied to the position of the sun in the sky instead of our orbital position.
P.S., as other posters have commented the actual difference in the brightness of the moon is modest enough that few people will legitimately notice a difference. I don't know what the urban legend claims, so I can't answer it's claims, but the astronomy is solid and usually covered in any introductory astronomy class. If you've been "debunking" it, expect to eat plenty of pie, humble pie, over the next few weeks.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
...and post without the assistance of opposable thumbs?
With all of this misinformation floating around, I thought this would be a good time to learn about our solar system from the former national expert himself, Dan Quayle:
"Mars is essentially in the same orbit. Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If there is oxygen, then we can breathe."
I know that there have also been a few questions about NASA and people possibly losing faith in them due to the recent problems with the Mars projects. Dan, once again, reassures us:
"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
Buck up, kids, as Dan says, "The future will be better tomorrow."
Obviously none of you were born before 1963, or you wouldn't be so gullible.
let me try this:
"Hey anonymous coward- didja know that if you cut off your head, then it will grow back?"
BTW, G. Gordon Liddy is a politician, too. Why do you trust him?
Obviously none of you were born before 1963, or you wouldn't be so gullible.
let me try this:
"Hey anonymous coward- didja know that if you cut off your head, then it will grow back?"
BTW, G. Gordon Liddy is a politician, too. Why do you trust him?
Well, it's still a full moon/winter solstice, and that hasn't happened in a long time. And I'm still going to be at the Full Moon Cafe on Cherry Street enjoying a favorite brew and a plate of buffalo wings.
-Man cannot survive except through his mind. --Ayn Rand
There's another lunar eclipse on July 16, 2000 that is visible from east Asia, Australia (best view), and most of the Pacific which is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as one of the longest lunar eclipses. The same circumstances that make the full moon of December 22 worthy of Slashdot discussion also conspire to make the lunar eclipse of July 16 2000 noteworthy:
The apogee and aphelion combination makes the eclipse slow, and the really central nature of the eclipse maximises the duration. Together, this makes totality last for 148 minutes, the longest that lunar eclipse totality can last. This is probably the longest lunar eclipse of our lifetimes.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
could you please tell me how you came to this conclusion? Most of the world likes accountability
(i understand how this concept is lost on cowards), so how did you stumble upon this fact?
If i'm brainwashed, then show me how the brainwashing was done. How did they get all these people onto reservations ( long before 1963 )?
reason is relative & reality is fluid.
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old town, maine ( i lived there ).
there is a reservation there. they make canoes.
i have been there.
( so has your mom )
Everyone please remember that there are more important things going on in the world than kernel releases. Enjoy your families this holiday season.
Merry Christmas and Happy Chanakah
_damnit_
_damnit_
It's my job to freeze you. -- Logan's Run
My astronomy teacher would have a fit. In my defense, may I excuse myself by saying that the near side is receiving sunlight right now, so it appears to be the light side?
Or let's just say that the light side of the moon is the outside, 'cuz the inside doesn't get many rays?
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I am reminded of Niven's story INCONSTANT MOON, about a night when the moon really does become amazingly bright. While most people are wandering around enjoying the spectacle, the ones who know science realize where moonlight comes from, and what must be about to happen when the Sun comes up in the morning.
this reminds me an oral report I heard in college once.
This guy did his report on how flashlights don't really produce light - they actually suck dark. The batteries don't drain, they get filled with darkness.
LRJ
From Websters:
:-)
fiery:
1: consisting of fire
2: hot like a fire
3: of the color of fire
4: full of or exuding emotion or spirit
I think your Physics is better than your English
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
....bad The Tick reference! Sorry!!
SPOOOOOON!!
I feel so fulfilled now :)
I think one of our local newspapers must have pretty much cut n' pasted this straight out of an email as used it as a story.
Dana
This could explain what really happened to the mars polar lander...
Heuters December 20, 1999
Key personnel at NASA have finally completed evaluations as to the true reasons behind the loss of the $165 million Mars Polar Lander.
"Our graphics department did not meet our media deadlines," one NASA spokesman comments. "Some of the graphic artists we've hired have had the gall to claim that Maya and Bryce were inappropriate software tools for rendering a realistic representation of what the surface of the Red Planet might look like. Why, they didn't even have any preliminary prototype 3D models that we could just quickly shade and pass off to the American public! It is unfortunate that outside agencies do not realize the crux of NASA's funding resides in their continuing ability to dupe America into putting tax money into our 'space program'."
"I don't know what NASA was thinking," reflects an animatronic Senator John Glenn from the dungeon-like interior of Disney Studios in Burbank. "In my day, we never relied on that fancy schmancy CGI stuff. We had real people, working up a real sweat, building a lifesize studio set that Neil and I could walk around. It was something you could see and touch, rather than the digital innards of some newfangled virtual environment... But I can't blame NASA: our greedy, self-obsessed government has slashed our funding over the years, and NASA's Special Effects Budget has been hit pretty hard. You always cut corners where you can, and we've had to slowly replace our nice set model workshop with a room full of contractors and one big Renderfarm. With that many computers, you have to fuck up somewhere."
Glenn further adds that he would one day like to replace Abraham Lincoln at Disneyland.
While it may seem improbable that, in a special effects production studio like NASA, the sudden cessation of a large scale project on the magnitude of the Mars Polar Lander would cost 165 million dollars, Heuters has questioned the contractors themselves for further answers. "They gave us crappy equipment," quotes Brandon Perlow, an astronomically expensive modeller/designer. "They promised me a really good Octane, or something that would have the Reality Engine logo on it... But [on] my first day at NASA, all I had to work with was this lousy POS O2! They gave a goddamn Toaster and expected me to do work on it! Sorry, gotta run: there's sushi downstairs."
One NASA representative responded to the complaint by explaining that the refit cost of equipping every contractor with an SGI Onyx Reality Engine would run the department 65 million dollars.
"We've already tightened our belts as far as they'll go," one representative intones from regret. "We can't ask for that kind of additional funding from a government that requires a blowjob from every female White House intern. We have no choice but to shut the project down and let all the contractors go."
Then what of the remaining 100 million dollars?
"That figure comes from all the projected merchandising profits prior to the cancellation of the Mars Polar Lander Project," concludes key researchers at NASA. "But that's just a rough figure - it's not like we're rocket scientists."
Solomon Kevin Chang
Database Design and Programming
Disney Televentures
"Twice half-assed makes an ass whole." --Solomon K. Chang
Boy, I sure wish I knew which addle-brained moderator tacked that up to "Informative". *grin*
- C.
I hope nobody forgets the meaning of this full moon being on solstice and during whatever that other thing was called in english to a scholar of occult traditions. It is still a very important happening from astrological point of view, and a good time to practice certain rituals dedicated to planets and planetary angels.
Everybody Lies. But it doesn't matter since nobody listens.
the truth of axioms must be asumed in order for a theory to work.... if yo could prove the axiom, it wouldn't be an axiom.
of course, should you wish to use the axiom to prove it self, it would of course be possible....
euclid's geometry(which i'm sure you make a lot of use of, if not directly than through the work of others) used 6 axioms, and then later ppl decided that one of them was wrong and got new neat stuff out of it, but thats off topic
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Actually, don't ask any Mexican astronomer, because most likely they won't care. May 5 doesn't signify an independence day, or anything else that would be really important to the generic Mexican. Instead, it merely celebrates a single victory, and is only really celebrated in the northern states of Mexico. Of course, Americans have picked up on it, and now it's probably much more popular in the states than in the whole of Mexico.
Everyone remember to put on your moon goggles.
I have a question for you.
Have you been listening to Art Bell a bit too much lately? What you just wrote sounds like the usual things we hear from Art and his guests.
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
It seems that most people I see "quoting" the bible are merely paraphrasing what they have heard. I know the AC that posted this didn't really quote, but they did say "but the signs are still there." AC here is assuming the role of interpreter for those that read his post. Those that are interested may want to consider the following quotes. For those that are uninterested , then please ignore the following, it probably wasn't meant for you.
Mark (KJV) 13:22-33
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Now, my interpretation is something like this:
Man either believes or he doesn't. If you truly believe, then you will always be ready. The things I've read from the Bible, Torah, Koran and Book of Mormon are quite similar in concept. They all had a much richer meaning than the mis-quotes and incorrect paraphrasings conveyed from people who hadn't read much.
For the curious, read for yourself and make an honest search for truth. I know people that are being seduced by much of the hype into believing that some things of momentous importance are going to happen on some particular day or time. Their faith will be damaged when the appointed time comes and goes without the promised event. What a shame, if they knew the books that their faith is supposed to be based on, they would understand the deceptions.
A "generation that shall not pass" reference can be measured by the exodus from Egypt. The Jews saw fit to make the golden calf to worship and God said they would not be allowed to enter into the promised land before that generation had passed away. I am looking for some length of time shorter than forty years from now to hold some very terrible events for the earth and occupants. But when? I'm pretty sure it isn't going to be 1-1-2000. But, then again, I have no way of knowing for certain.
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
I don't know that it's such a bad thing that people tend to believe, rather than disbelieve. Do you know how much harder it is to prove, rather than disprove?
IE, a disproof only requires a contradiction where a proof requires the lack of a contradiction, so it seems to make sense that people believe rather than disbelieve, because it's much easier to disprove to a person once the person believes, than it is to prove to a person once they don't believe.
If the net is to be a viable, working, self-adjusting ecosystem/social system, I suspect it should also run on the 'tend to trust/believe' system, rather than the 'other way around' Sorta like credit cards online(unless someone can disprove me=), it's pretty safe if people trust the system.
-AS
-AS
*Pikachu*
Yes, absolutely! In fact, I had assumed, given that this is so obviously interesting, that someone would have worked on this already and made an email distribution-tracking web site. Certainly such a thing exists. Please, someone out there in slashdot land tell us where to find it!
Right now I'm interested in the whole Mahir Cagri "I Kiss You" website craze that was entirely fueled by email. Salon has followed this pretty closely, but, unfortunately, unlike some of their other decent writing, this thread of theirs doesn't provide much depth. I want to know why this silly website became popular and how (i.e, who started passing the url around?). The AP had a much more in depth article on the matter (weeks after the story broke, of course). Here's that link (you may have to tell the AP you're coming from one or another newspaper before they'll let you get to the article, but the link should work. For some reason, old NYTimes links to AP articles no longer work, they used to. Argh.)
According to the AP story:
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Then, a month and a half ago, hackers invaded and embellished his site, spicing up the text with ``I like sex!'' and adding that Mahir enjoys taking photos of ``nice nude models.'' The hackers also moved it to a new location, and quickly spread the word about the site.
Cagri soon became a most unlikely cyber-celebrity.
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Yeah, it's a meagre excuse for an explanation, but it does more than the salon article, if I recall correctly. Ok, so I can understand stage 1: hackers [sic] mess up the site in fun ways. This is fun and amusing (though illegal, I assume). What I don't understand is stage 2-3: friend of hacker and friend of friend of hacker receive e-mail saying "hey check out this goofy site." Ok, I can see them checking out the site, but why oh why would they think it was funny enough to pass on to x of their friends (who obviously thought it was funny enough to do the same thing)? This really baffles me.
It's amazing to see what has happened to this guy since his site got cracked. He's become an instomatic celebrity. The AP article says that Turkish tourism authorities are hoping that this will boost tourism. Whoa!
So, someone needs to set up a where's george? type site where people can log on and track the flow of email explosions. Who passed what to whom? Trace it back.
Ok, rant over.
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Here's an ABCNEWS.com article about it:n dex.html
http://abcne ws.go.com/ABC2000/popoff/new_moon_991220_popoff/i
Nothing wrong; I just ran into their VP of policy and privacy in an anti-spam context, and it turns out they're legit, so I'm boosting 'em if I can. :)
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Last I checked, the Vikings were from Europe. :P
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Actually, the tides will just be a slightly stronger-than-average spring tide. A spring tide occurs when the moon is at either the full or new moon position -- the sun and the moon are lined up which increases the tidal forces in one direction. (Neap tides occur at first and third quarter -- when the moon and sun are exerting forces on the Earth that are perpendicular to one another. Thus, neap tides are slightly less than regular tides.) There's a lunar perigee once a month, and you don't see any warnings of extraordinary tides. However, combined with the spring tide, docks and beaches might notice tides slightly more drastic than a normal spring tide.
you believe they put a man on the moon
heh
"big fiery thing " uh...to the indians, thats probably what they thought the moon was
~Jay (Negative Seven)
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We had a very very bright moon last night. My girlfriend and I remarked on how bright it was and then I remembered seeing the headline on Slashdot.
It shone through the clouds and there was a slight rainbow -- and I could read by it. So, for us in the UK it was exceptionally bright.
I feel that I need to throw this in as a response to all the 'end times' and y2k crap I have been spoon-fed by the media this year.
:)
;)
I am by no means an expert on anything, and I do not profess to be, but here's how I see things *right now*.
Now, I cannot remember where I heard this quote first, but I do know I have heard it from many different places: "Humans live their life through misery".
I think this is (unfortunately) the truest statement I have ever heard about the human race. Without something to be upset or worried about, people seem to have nothing to say.
I don't believe there is any real 'religious' relevance to the Jan 1, 2000. If our maker (whoever that may be) wants to take us all down, does he really need to pick a visually prominent date? I know if *I* were the maker, I'd do it when I felt like it
Combine the 'misery' with my twisted views on thought and creation, and you get one hell of an approaching mess.
People will create problems because they 'need' something to happen to confirm their beliefs. No matter how warped they may be.
What I believe is going to take place is this:
1. People with strong religious conviction will see so-called signs of the coming apocalypse. They will believe it's the end. Some of them will act rashly and behave in a foolish manner in an attempt to redeem their souls before the 'rapture'
2. Terrorist groups (aka religious fanatics) will bank on this assumption and wreak havoc without fear of retribution (in their minds there will be no one left to answer to). They will kill many innocent people.
3. Microsoft will release an 'across-the-board' patch on December 29, 1999 for all windows platforms to screw up y2k compliance so you have to buy win2000 immediately (I AM JOKING HERE [If I am right though, I will laugh forever])
4. People who have no real religious beliefs will laugh at all the fools jumping off buildings in fear of the coming rapture.
5. Someone will react rashly to a terrorist strike and cause wholesale damage. They will kill many innocent people.
6. Someone will have computer problems. They will panic. They will forget the fact that if they turn the system off, then back on followed by resetting the date and time they will be okay.
7. Riots, LARGE riots. That's what happens when there is tension and anxiety in a large group of people. We all know where they will start. Where will there be large gatherings? Just watch.
8. I will sit home with my family and friends. Drink. Laugh. Then after we are all sloshed, we will play twister. I will wake up the next morning, turn on my PC, then read Slashdot. Life will go on.
If you are naive enough to believe there won't be any problems due to the coming new year, I pity you.
I don't think you need to build a bomb shelter. Just make sure you have a baseball bat or some such thing by your front door for when the zealots come a-knocking.
You could uninstall windows too... just to be safe
- C
What a relief...I was so worried about whether the moon would be the brightest in 133 this December 22nd...I mean the anxiousness, and nervousness was gnawing at me, I could hardly sleep. I'm glad Slashdot has finally put this nagging enigma to sleep.
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There are no bad The Tick references....
I still wonder why he only left enough space for the "CHA" on it though...
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I know this is a bit off-topic, but did you guys know there is supposed to be an unusually bright full moon tonight? :-) - Andy R.
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It would take a lot more work than I feel like doing without getting something for it (like a lot of debt and a Master's Degree), but the idea intrigues me.
<sarcasm&;gt
'Course, we could always wait for Microsoft and AOL to publish the results of that e-mail tracking system they're beta-testing. Come to think of it, I never did get my check for four thousand dollars....
</sarcasm>
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Well, coming from one of the non-existant, I will sincerely request that you prove beyond any doubt that homo sapiens was singularily "created" in the Middle East.
When actual events such as (this could all be a lie) Marco Polo's trip to China and back (I'm pretty sure he didn't take a plane.) and Thor Heyerdal's (sp?) trip to prove that it was possible to sail a balsa raft from Ecuador to the Polynesian islands have taken place, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to see the possibility of a group of people travelling large distances over x number of generations.
I would guess that since you haven't claimed that humans first existed in Africa (most likely locale, based on real science) you are probably referring to some speculation based upon some claims in the "Book of Stories"...I mean the Bible.
I'm sorry but I am NOT satisfied. You have the burden of proof and you cannot use the speculative claims from that book to prove your case.
Fact cannot be built upon heresay. But stories and myth can...and they are.
-Vel
Do you even know what "Natural Law" is?
Perhaps your "Natural Law" is spewed out of some propaganda pamphlets.
Your biggest enemy is "Natural selection."
>;)