that people always seem to bash the companies that stay true to their roots. sure, I might not like mandrake linux all that much but, it does offer a gateway to a brand new user to linux, and they havent lost the focus of linux and tried to become the next monopoly of linux. (like redhat is trying to do) someone told me once that linux is all about standards, and everyone must follow them. if that were the case, linux wouldnt exist today, it's true that it's all about standards, but standards people set themselves, not set by some random person and everyone obediently follows. with linux, people agree on something that will make everything work right and it works.
but my point is, look at sco, look at redhat, look at suse and others, more concerned on making the almighty dollar over making advances. which will be their downfall. sadly, the only public face for linux atm is redhat. However, even though mandrake has a bad rep among most linux users (mainly it being a "n00b" system) it's pretty noble in what it's doing, it's created a gateway for a user to venture forth from. only reason I dont like it is because of the bloat, which I had to manually remove. but, still, it's a good system in general, and their attitude is good. that's what counts. and lindows.. only thing I can say in their favor is that they gave microsoft one good kick in the pants over the lindows/windows name. and you can tell microsoft's still upset over that because they're trying to go to 3rd world countries to get back at lindows. otherwise, lindows' software sucks.
still, I applaud mandrake on this, more companies need to keep that attitude, making "trial" isos of free software doesnt make sense.. at all. I bet in a few years, we'll be mocking redhat instead of sco over similar shit. who knows. anyways, remember what they say, if you dont like it, do it yourself.:P
I can see it now, little green people pointing up to the red sky screaming. "OH NO! it's the earthling mothership and they're sending a probe down to kill us all! RUN FOR YOUR DAMN LIVES!"
be quite the opposite of the usual earthling fearing the martian.
if I'm paying ANY money for my service.. I expect 0 ads.
and same goes with cable and satellite.. you pay usually $40 for satellaite.. and after all the crap.. $120 with cable (that's what my neighbor pays) and you get ads...
it just doesnt add up, I can understand with the good 'ol attenna and recieving what's in the air.. but for a paid service? bah
I bet in 5 years, the satellite radios will be more expensive, like cable is.. and have 10 times the ads normal radio has. that's if it ever gets popular.
well, linux and bsd might be excellent, and have great kernels, but if you've ever seen beos in action, it can put them to shame.
the original beos had excellent multitasking and multithreading support (you could run 20 mpeg movies at once.. and 50 mp3's... and there wouldnt be system lag.. at ALL.)
this is what these guys are trying to re-implement, and the last thing we need is yet another linux or bsd based system the point of opensource is to be innovative. not to copy and work off someone else's technology without improving apon it.
create something new, exciting, bold, etc and you have something real there.
sure, I might be working on my own linux distro, but it's dedicated to older machines people wouldnt touch with a 10 foot long pole. but the fact remains, to sit there and roast them because they arent using a common kernel, is defeating the purpose. I dont see linux torvalds sitting back and telling them to use his kernel. because hell, I know linux would be like "good luck on something new" at least they're doing something unique and nonstandard. if no one decided to push forward in computers, we'd prolly would be sitting at vt100 terminals still. I say, let them go for it. they wanna use their own kernel, let them. if I were making a real time desktop system, I wouldnt use linux for that. I'd use linux for a server and possibly a desktop as well.
OpenBeOS might be new competition for linux in the future.
never close your mind, always keep it open
and heck, I do love linux, it's prolly one of the best systems ever. in my opinion. however, from what I've seen in beos.. I say the linux kernel devs need to start implementing more features like that.. sure, there might be pre-emptive kernel features, but what about true multi-threading and multitasking. This is also almost the scenario with linus and linux back when he started writing it, he got shit from minix devs and others who said he should just stop, and the monolithic kernel is dead, etc and just port an already existing kernel, etc.. well, he got help and now we have linux. end of story.
only reason I ever go dumpster diving is to get the computers.. and get linux on them asap. or keep them for parts, I dont give a fuck about someone else's info, honestly, I couldnt remember half of it anyways. I once found an old powermac in the trash, but I got beaten up for it on the way home by some kids...who ended up setting it on fire.. they just wanted something to set on fire... dumbasses. but anyways, my point is that I often see many computers with shit still on the hard dtives.. these people need to grab a linux cd and run fdformat on their hard drives (it works btw) and then do cat/dev/null >/dev/hda and then just to make sure.. cat/dev/random >/dev/hda.. then ditch the computer. though I suggest doing all of them about 3 times just to make sure data is so lost it cant ever be recovered.
I think is prolly the best choice for new users just coming from windows, or macos.
the reason why kde gets a lot of crap is because of the regular linux users, or diehards think it's shit, namely because it's like windows and macosx, and is bloated, however, it loads most apps on my 433 faster than gnome did, well, apps that didnt need the dcop server. many apps are also well designed and run well, and work, gnome, some apps either load slowly, or lack functionality, and sometimes freeze or crash. I know gnome 1.4... an applet crashing could cause issues to arise. KDE isnt that bad, especially for newbies who just want things to work, and work right. then they can consider gnome. gnome does have a lot of strengths, a lot of apps compiled in gtk dont need gnome. (I dont know why there are apps in gtk that require and depend on gnome) and gnome 2.x seemed nice to me when I tried it. metacity was a drawback IMHO.
if you truly want speed, whilst maintaining a windows like interface.. icewm and dfm will do the job.
but in general, if you dont like it, dont use it.
people complain about kde as if it were forcing people into using it.
it's just a desktop environment. same with gnome, this is why linux has alternatives, and if you want something done right, do it yourself.
Honestly, you look at the work they've accomplished so far, they've done a good job. I havent seen many other desktop environments that are as user friendly as kde. in fact, I can safely say zero. kde is staightforward.. gnome is that next step off of kde. and so on.
What's plaguing linux in the desktop market is people who cant place themselves in a new users' shoes and figure out what they want out of it. and like I said.. KDE is basically a new users' interface to linux. so dont complain if it isnt technical. it's like making the Spirit of St. Louis go into a dogfight with an f-22, it wasnt what it was made for. KDE isnt really for a seasoned linux tech, and a console based system or minimalist window manager isnt for a new user. so for once, look at it in an unbiased view and what it can do before rekindling the tried and worn arguement about how gnome or *insert random wm name here* is better than KDE, because honestly, kde is a nice setup, needs a little cleaning up in some spots and needs better methods of loading things, and needs to rid of excess programs, functions and code.
I've used sco unixware before. and I can back this guy, it does suck. not out of bias.. it just lacks a lot of things, and has a very slow boot.
I installed slack on one of the computer repair machines at school (which had unixware on it) and ran another machine with unixware on it and had them boot side by side...
slackware won. and it was on the slower machine.
it's old, and maybe this is what all the crap is about. sco wants linux since they know they cant create anything better than 30 year old code that they never created. (in other words...)
so, they figure they can buy linux out, but what's this? linux cant be bought out. but wait, it looks like unix, they can try to pull an infringement case! but wait, no evidence! ok, so maybe court trials wont work that way, but litigation will scare people into submitting into their whims, but no, it makes people angry... and so on..
truly, I fear to see what's going on in darl's head. I wonder if he was that special needs child that got 4-square balls thrown at him by other children.
that or life in utah (or wherever he's from) warped him.
who knows.. I'm rambling now because I'm half awake.
The NASA powerpoint presentations having midi music playing while being presented, with little sound effects playing as they activate text or something like that..
this is where the shuttle lost control and blew up in re-entry, *WAAA WAAAAA*
"excuse me, what was that?"
"oh, we added in that little effect, neat, huh?"
"and why is there really bad stairway to heaven music on?"
emachines arent THAT bad.. the older ones (like I have.. sadly... ) are shoddy.. the newere ones actually are pretty decent.. still beats a gateway or most OEM's
looks good so far.. I wish the freedesktop.org xserver would shape up into a complete server.. so far.. I have my money on fdo's xserver due to its speed. if they implemented some of the xouvert features.. it would be perfection.
the key thing is.. to remember your password... because people cant steal your knowledge.. depending on how strong your will power is.. however.. they can steal your body parts. and your fingerprints CAN be duplicated. so biometrics is an expensive technology with too many vulnerabilities now.. for the common home user, who wants it for the hell of it... or medium level security.. yeah... but for bank vaults, and other things.. murder would be on the rise.. and theft would be more successful.
with as much gnome bias that floats around opensource and linux, it's like considering microsoft windows as the perfect alternative to microsoft windows. in my experience.. gnome has often been slow and bloated (exactly what gnome followers claim about everything else) but the fact remains that, with running just the basics, it eats more ram than kde with add-ons. people like gnome because it doesnt use QT and it's "more free" than kde... (where kde runs up the buck unlike gnome.)
hell, you can create a perfect desktop environment with icewm and dfm (or something like it)
if gnome keeps getting pushed and doesnt do something about the bloat.. it'll be hurt by big time competitors.. such as microsoft or apple.. apple will use its quartz argument... microsoft will find little things.. plus the fact it's slow, compare the two.. then trump up the results to make it more dramatic. and when a user uses gnome.. microsoft will look like the heroes of the desktop..
so the developers need to start trimming down unneeded crap.
it's like 2.0 and 2.2 they've been worked on up to airly recently.. well.. 2.2 anyways.. but they were being worked on way past their shelf life, namely due to the fact that there are people with older machines that dont need usb.. or the latest hardxware drivers because someone with a 486 is less likely going to need support for a ATI radeon 9000 same mentality for 2.4... there's going to be people with computers (like me) that arent going to be the latest bit of technology and wont be upgraded any time soon.. so keep working on the 2.4 kernel just keeping basic features in sync with 2.6 (vulnerabilities that need patching, etc)
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that people always seem to bash the companies that stay true to their roots.
:P
sure, I might not like mandrake linux all that much
but, it does offer a gateway to a brand new user to linux, and they havent lost the focus of linux and tried to become the next monopoly of linux. (like redhat is trying to do)
someone told me once that linux is all about standards, and everyone must follow them. if that were the case, linux wouldnt exist today, it's true that it's all about standards, but standards people set themselves, not set by some random person and everyone obediently follows.
with linux, people agree on something that will make everything work right and it works.
but my point is, look at sco, look at redhat, look at suse and others, more concerned on making the almighty dollar over making advances. which will be their downfall. sadly, the only public face for linux atm is redhat.
However, even though mandrake has a bad rep among most linux users (mainly it being a "n00b" system) it's pretty noble in what it's doing, it's created a gateway for a user to venture forth from.
only reason I dont like it is because of the bloat, which I had to manually remove.
but, still, it's a good system in general, and their attitude is good. that's what counts.
and lindows.. only thing I can say in their favor is that they gave microsoft one good kick in the pants over the lindows/windows name. and you can tell microsoft's still upset over that because they're trying to go to 3rd world countries to get back at lindows. otherwise, lindows' software sucks.
still, I applaud mandrake on this, more companies need to keep that attitude, making "trial" isos of free software doesnt make sense.. at all. I bet in a few years, we'll be mocking redhat instead of sco over similar shit.
who knows.
anyways, remember what they say, if you dont like it, do it yourself.
I can see it now, little green people pointing up to the red sky screaming.
"OH NO! it's the earthling mothership and they're sending a probe down to kill us all! RUN FOR YOUR DAMN LIVES!"
be quite the opposite of the usual earthling fearing the martian.
I've noticed that sound effect in various movies.. usually when someone's dying.
if I'm paying ANY money for my service.. I expect 0 ads.
and same goes with cable and satellite.. you pay usually $40 for satellaite.. and after all the crap.. $120 with cable (that's what my neighbor pays) and you get ads...
it just doesnt add up, I can understand with the good 'ol attenna and recieving what's in the air.. but for a paid service? bah
I bet in 5 years, the satellite radios will be more expensive, like cable is.. and have 10 times the ads normal radio has.
that's if it ever gets popular.
this looks like a fake survey, microsoft wouldnt have this much humility, and it wouldnt be on some generic survey site.
well, linux and bsd might be excellent, and have great kernels, but if you've ever seen beos in action, it can put them to shame.
the original beos had excellent multitasking and multithreading support (you could run 20 mpeg movies at once.. and 50 mp3's... and there wouldnt be system lag.. at ALL.)
this is what these guys are trying to re-implement, and the last thing we need is yet another linux or bsd based system
the point of opensource is to be innovative. not to copy and work off someone else's technology without improving apon it.
create something new, exciting, bold, etc and you have something real there.
sure, I might be working on my own linux distro, but it's dedicated to older machines people wouldnt touch with a 10 foot long pole. but the fact remains, to sit there and roast them because they arent using a common kernel, is defeating the purpose.
I dont see linux torvalds sitting back and telling them to use his kernel. because hell, I know linux would be like "good luck on something new"
at least they're doing something unique and nonstandard.
if no one decided to push forward in computers, we'd prolly would be sitting at vt100 terminals still.
I say, let them go for it. they wanna use their own kernel, let them.
if I were making a real time desktop system, I wouldnt use linux for that. I'd use linux for a server and possibly a desktop as well.
OpenBeOS might be new competition for linux in the future.
never close your mind, always keep it open
and heck, I do love linux, it's prolly one of the best systems ever. in my opinion. however, from what I've seen in beos.. I say the linux kernel devs need to start implementing more features like that.. sure, there might be pre-emptive kernel features, but what about true multi-threading and multitasking.
This is also almost the scenario with linus and linux back when he started writing it, he got shit from minix devs and others who said he should just stop, and the monolithic kernel is dead, etc and just port an already existing kernel, etc.. well, he got help and now we have linux. end of story.
only reason I ever go dumpster diving is to get the computers.. and get linux on them asap. /dev/null > /dev/hda /dev/random > /dev/hda.. then ditch the computer.
or keep them for parts, I dont give a fuck about someone else's info, honestly, I couldnt remember half of it anyways.
I once found an old powermac in the trash, but I got beaten up for it on the way home by some kids...who ended up setting it on fire.. they just wanted something to set on fire... dumbasses.
but anyways, my point is that I often see many computers with shit still on the hard dtives..
these people need to grab a linux cd and run fdformat on their hard drives (it works btw)
and then do cat
and then just to make sure.. cat
though I suggest doing all of them about 3 times just to make sure data is so lost it cant ever be recovered.
I think is prolly the best choice for new users just coming from windows, or macos.
the reason why kde gets a lot of crap is because of the regular linux users, or diehards think it's shit, namely because it's like windows and macosx, and is bloated, however, it loads most apps on my 433 faster than gnome did, well, apps that didnt need the dcop server.
many apps are also well designed and run well, and work, gnome, some apps either load slowly, or lack functionality, and sometimes freeze or crash.
I know gnome 1.4... an applet crashing could cause issues to arise.
KDE isnt that bad, especially for newbies who just want things to work, and work right.
then they can consider gnome.
gnome does have a lot of strengths, a lot of apps compiled in gtk dont need gnome. (I dont know why there are apps in gtk that require and depend on gnome) and gnome 2.x seemed nice to me when I tried it. metacity was a drawback IMHO.
if you truly want speed, whilst maintaining a windows like interface.. icewm and dfm will do the job.
but in general, if you dont like it, dont use it.
people complain about kde as if it were forcing people into using it.
it's just a desktop environment. same with gnome, this is why linux has alternatives, and if you want something done right, do it yourself.
Honestly, you look at the work they've accomplished so far, they've done a good job.
I havent seen many other desktop environments that are as user friendly as kde. in fact, I can safely say zero.
kde is staightforward..
gnome is that next step off of kde.
and so on.
What's plaguing linux in the desktop market is people who cant place themselves in a new users' shoes and figure out what they want out of it.
and like I said.. KDE is basically a new users' interface to linux. so dont complain if it isnt technical. it's like making the Spirit of St. Louis go into a dogfight with an f-22, it wasnt what it was made for.
KDE isnt really for a seasoned linux tech, and a console based system or minimalist window manager isnt for a new user.
so for once, look at it in an unbiased view and what it can do before rekindling the tried and worn arguement about how gnome or *insert random wm name here* is better than KDE, because honestly, kde is a nice setup, needs a little cleaning up in some spots and needs better methods of loading things, and needs to rid of excess programs, functions and code.
how long do you think until netbsd gets ported over to this?
I've used sco unixware before.
and I can back this guy, it does suck. not out of bias.. it just lacks a lot of things, and has a very slow boot.
I installed slack on one of the computer repair machines at school (which had unixware on it) and ran another machine with unixware on it and had them boot side by side...
slackware won. and it was on the slower machine.
it's old, and maybe this is what all the crap is about. sco wants linux since they know they cant create anything better than 30 year old code that they never created. (in other words...)
so, they figure they can buy linux out, but what's this? linux cant be bought out. but wait, it looks like unix, they can try to pull an infringement case! but wait, no evidence! ok, so maybe court trials wont work that way, but litigation will scare people into submitting into their whims, but no, it makes people angry... and so on..
truly, I fear to see what's going on in darl's head. I wonder if he was that special needs child that got 4-square balls thrown at him by other children.
that or life in utah (or wherever he's from) warped him.
who knows.. I'm rambling now because I'm half awake.
The NASA powerpoint presentations having midi music playing while being presented, with little sound effects playing as they activate text or something like that..
this is where the shuttle lost control and blew up in re-entry, *WAAA WAAAAA*
"excuse me, what was that?"
"oh, we added in that little effect, neat, huh?"
"and why is there really bad stairway to heaven music on?"
"ooh, we added that in for the drama!"
"..."
or does this just not feel right?
there's something not right about this.
Like it might be one of his imposters..
anyone else have a strange feeling over this?
testing the trajectories of the chips as they pop off from the heat.
emachines arent THAT bad..
the older ones (like I have.. sadly... )
are shoddy.. the newere ones actually are pretty decent.. still beats a gateway or most OEM's
still, I like making a custom machine.
looks good so far..
I wish the freedesktop.org xserver would shape up into a complete server.. so far.. I have my money on
fdo's xserver due to its speed. if they implemented some of the xouvert features.. it would be perfection.
but they'll be replaced by virtual singers
(read that slashdot article from last week or so.)
*punches the anonymous coward*
there it is.
oh ho ho ho.. I'm so lame.
forget cryogenic rockets!
use a giant gun and a giant bullet with a man inside it and shoot it at the moon!
the key thing is.. to remember your password... because people cant steal your knowledge.. depending on how strong your will power is.. however.. they can steal your body parts.
and your fingerprints CAN be duplicated.
so biometrics is an expensive technology with too many vulnerabilities
now.. for the common home user, who wants it for the hell of it... or medium level security.. yeah...
but for bank vaults, and other things.. murder would be on the rise.. and theft would be more successful.
it's called the slashdot effect.
sounds a lot like how the original internet started out.
hopefully this will stay as something for the scientists only.
pfft.. small details... they dont matter.
besides...he tried "killing you and many others"
unlike the other old yeller thing..
so laugh it up, and replace the rifle with a submachine gun. and laugh as you fire away.
with as much gnome bias that floats around opensource and linux, it's like considering microsoft windows as the perfect alternative to microsoft windows.
in my experience.. gnome has often been slow and bloated (exactly what gnome followers claim about everything else) but the fact remains that, with running just the basics, it eats more ram than kde with add-ons. people like gnome because it doesnt use QT and it's "more free" than kde... (where kde runs up the buck unlike gnome.)
hell, you can create a perfect desktop environment with icewm and dfm (or something like it)
if gnome keeps getting pushed and doesnt do something about the bloat.. it'll be hurt by big time competitors.. such as microsoft or apple.. apple will use its quartz argument... microsoft will find little things.. plus the fact it's slow, compare the two.. then trump up the results to make it more dramatic. and when a user uses gnome.. microsoft will look like the heroes of the desktop..
so the developers need to start trimming down unneeded crap.
it's like 2.0 and 2.2
they've been worked on up to airly recently.. well.. 2.2 anyways.. but they were being worked on way past their shelf life, namely due to the fact that there are people with older machines that dont need usb.. or the latest hardxware drivers because someone with a 486 is less likely going to need support for a ATI radeon 9000
same mentality for 2.4...
there's going to be people with computers (like me) that arent going to be the latest bit of technology and wont be upgraded any time soon..
so keep working on the 2.4 kernel just keeping basic features in sync with 2.6 (vulnerabilities that need patching, etc)
not really.. I just pointed out that some of the government service crap might be lower priced because your tax dollars are helping pay for it.
I never said it was necessarily better.