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Guess what - if you have a patent in France, I can go to Germany and copy it! Patents - worldwide - are on a country-by-country basis. The issue is that China FORCED you to transfer IP - even the EU took China to the WTO over the practice. China forces companies to share - and grant - IP to Chinese companies, if a foreign company wants to do business in many industries in China. That's against WTO rules.

He didn't cave. Current tariffs remain in place. Only the increase to 25% in January has been suspended pending further negotiations on IP theft and non-tariff barriers to trade. Overall, this is a pretty good outcome, and hopefully remaining issues can be resolved, and the existing tariffs can be lifted as well.

TFA is paywalled. Here is an alternative article.

"if they were smarter they'd make them add-on bundle products, ..."

Exactly! I'm seeing many, many examples of Amazon managers not being smart.

It is VERY important to recognize ALL of the abusiveness of Amazon. Only a small part of that is mentioned here, in this re-post of a former comment, with added information:

My opinion: Jeff Bezos is not a sufficiently capable manager. Evidence: Look at any Amazon web page. As you are researching some product that is interesting, you are often distracted by other products. One fix: Put any distractions at the bottom of the page. There are many other shortcomings of the Amazon web site.

A few of the stories about Amazon being abusive:

Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace. (New York Times, Aug. 15, 2015)

Quote: "The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push white-collar workers..."

Amazon warehouse jobs push workers to physical limit (Seattle Times, April 3, 2012)

Worse than Wal-Mart: Amazon's sick brutality and secret history of ruthlessly intimidating workers (Salon.com, Feb. 23, 2014)

Amazon paid no US income taxes for 2017 (SeattlePI, Feb. 27, 2018)

Undercover author finds Amazon warehouse workers in UK 'peed in bottles' over fears of being punished for taking a break (Business Insider, April 16, 2018)

The undercover author who discovered Amazon warehouse workers were peeing in bottles tells us the culture was like a 'prison' (Business Insider, April 18, 2018)

Amazon Gets Tax Breaks While Its Employees Rely on Food Stamps, New Data Shows (The Intercept, April 19, 2018)

Quote: "Though the company now employs 200,000 people in the United States, many of its workers are not making enough money to put food on the table."

Amazon Under Fire Over Alleged Worker Abuse in Germany (bloomberg.com, Feb 19, 2013)

Quote from the Wikipedia page for Jeff Bezos. (Nov. 29, 2018):

"Journalist Nellie Bowles of The New York Times has described the public persona and personality of Bezos as that of 'a brilliant but mysterious and coldblooded corporate titan'. During the 1990s, Bezos earned a reputation for relentlessly pushing Amazon forward, often at the expense of public charity and social welfare."

In my opinion, Bezos is not "briliant". No one who is habitually abusive can be called brilliant; his abusiveness damages the quality of his own life.

Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos owns Blue Origin.. Blue Origin does NOT now have the capability of orbiting the earth. Would you fly into space with a company owned by someone who makes huge mistakes and doesn't detect them?

... seen this?

Uber Technologies Inc. has been told by banks that it could be a $120 billion company when it goes public.

the bitcoin scam is augering into the ground and you call it a "hedge"??!!! LOLZ, do you crypto-curtards have any shame or common sense?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opin...

yet property values are going sky high! It's almost like liberals don't believe their own hype since they all seem willing to pay millions for property on the coast. If people really believed global warming then property at sea level wouldn't be more expensive than ever.

Folks are waiting until the last minute. Article from Bloomberg: The Nightmare Scenario for Florida’s Coastal Homeowners

On a predictably gorgeous South Florida afternoon, Coral Gables Mayor Jim Cason sat in his office overlooking the white-linen restaurants of this affluent seaside community and wondered when climate change would bring it all to an end. He figured it would involve a boat.

“These boats are going to be the canary in the mine,” said Cason, who became mayor in 2011 after retiring from the U.S. foreign service. “When the boats can’t go out, the property values go down.”

Could this be a sign of Apple moving production to the US I wonder?

No, it is a sign of falling iPhone demand, between 20 and 30% fewer units.

iPhone demand is falling. Considering that iPhone sales are estimated to fall 20% to 30% ...

Just to be clear: iPhone UNIT sales are falling, but Apple is still making record profits because the cost-per-phone is going up. But this doesn't help Foxconn because their revenue for assembly is not going up (the newer phones are easier to assemble) while their costs, especially labor, are climbing.

An assembly line worker in Shenzhen makes about $3 per hour, vs less than $1 per hour for making the first iPhone in 2007.

To continue making a profit, since iPhone demand is falling. Considering that iPhone sales are estimated to fall 20% to 30%, it's time to slash quite a bit of that work force - or lose a lot of money.

Do you have a link or citation for this? Honestly asking.

Take it right from a chinese newspapers mouth there's been a few articles on the Korean Daily News, on the Japan Times, Mainichi Shinbun as well. article from bloomberg on the politburo wanting to pump more money and debt into the economy to keep it going. Again few articles more on this, check SEA news organizations, WSJ and so on. This is the type of stuff that doesn't get traction in the US/Canada or European media.

Are you sure they would cheer? If China is really such an evil godless commie regime, wouldn't a pressured China be more likely to do something crazy, which would be bad for its neighbors?

Yes, because it would give them the opportunity to kick them square in the teeth over the south china sea and them building military installations there. This has become a big enough problem that the current government in Japan(Abe) has both the political and public support to rewrite the constitution allowing for a pro-active military, instead of the restricted defensive military put into place at the end of WWII. In S/N.Korea's case, there appears to be far more going on as well, including having Kim come to Seoul, an agreement to de-mine sections of the DMZ, more open trade, removal of all military posts on/near disputed islands and so on. Singapore seems to be taking a very active approach to wanting them to reunify as well.

There's also the fact that China is a major if not top trading partner to those countries. So even if China doesn't do something crazy, their neighbors will be affected.

Most already have plans for that, note the increase trade deals between Canada, Japan and S.Korea dealing with milk/milk products, and flash-frozen meat for example.

None of the links in the summary go to the article authored by Bershidsky. Instead, it doubles down on putting lipstick on a pig.

Here's the Bershidsky link:

Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It's Mainly a Landlord.

Now I have three entries for Bershidsky in my idiots file:

"Rent extraction from a user base that finds it hard to go away may sound a bit like extortion," Leonid Bershidsky writes in closing. "But it's more honest and upfront than extracting data from users in ways they often don't understand and then making money off the data, as Facebook does.

Good grief, the average user understands practically nothing of the business model of either company. And Apple changes the design or the usability or the usage terms of what you already possess with basically no warning or explanation all the damn time.

I can hardly think of any company more opposed to the smallest glimmer of visibility into their future intentions than Apple.

Here's the second paragraph on B. from my idiots file:

The U.S. Intelligence Ship Is Too Leaky To Sail — 25 May 2017

Manning spent seven years in prison (though she'd been sentenced to 35), but Snowden, Assange, Petraeus, the unknown Chinese mole, the people who stole the hacking tools and the army of recent anonymous leakers, many of whom probably still work for U.S. intelligence agencies, have escaped any kind of meaningful punishment.

Meaningful to whom?

Assange must follow new Ecuador embassy rules, says judge — 29 October 2018

A judge in Ecuador has ruled against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, rejecting his request to loosen new requirements that he says are meant to push him into leaving his asylum in the country's embassy in London. ... Relations between Assange and Ecuador have grown increasingly prickly as the years have dragged on, with no resolution in sight.

Every young boy dreams of someday becoming an unwanted house guest in a foreign embassy with ten times more power over your daily conditions that a regular landlord or your 1 of 7 step mother.

Cooped up in near solitary confinement, and now he even has to pay for his own porn feed. The brilliant Bershidsky wants to file that under a mild downside.

And here's strike three:

Trump's Business Record in Russia Is Humiliating — 29 August 2017

Trump never had what it took to be a player in Russia — not when it was a land of limitless opportunity as it began its flirtation with capitalism, and not today. This may not be comforting to Americans. To have a leader incapable of negotiating with Russians is probably worse than having a president with business ties to the Kremlin-connected elite.

s/Kremlin-connected elite/Russian mafia/

Turns out, door #2 has a second name.

None of the links in the summary go to the article authored by Bershidsky. Instead, it doubles down on putting lipstick on a pig.

Here's the Bershidsky link:

Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It's Mainly a Landlord.

Now I have three entries for Bershidsky in my idiots file:

"Rent extraction from a user base that finds it hard to go away may sound a bit like extortion," Leonid Bershidsky writes in closing. "But it's more honest and upfront than extracting data from users in ways they often don't understand and then making money off the data, as Facebook does.

Good grief, the average user understands practically nothing of the business model of either company. And Apple changes the design or the usability or the usage terms of what you already possess with basically no warning or explanation all the damn time.

I can hardly think of any company more opposed to the smallest glimmer of visibility into their future intentions than Apple.

Here's the second paragraph on B. from my idiots file:

The U.S. Intelligence Ship Is Too Leaky To Sail — 25 May 2017

Manning spent seven years in prison (though she'd been sentenced to 35), but Snowden, Assange, Petraeus, the unknown Chinese mole, the people who stole the hacking tools and the army of recent anonymous leakers, many of whom probably still work for U.S. intelligence agencies, have escaped any kind of meaningful punishment.

Meaningful to whom?

Assange must follow new Ecuador embassy rules, says judge — 29 October 2018

A judge in Ecuador has ruled against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, rejecting his request to loosen new requirements that he says are meant to push him into leaving his asylum in the country's embassy in London. ... Relations between Assange and Ecuador have grown increasingly prickly as the years have dragged on, with no resolution in sight.

Every young boy dreams of someday becoming an unwanted house guest in a foreign embassy with ten times more power over your daily conditions that a regular landlord or your 1 of 7 step mother.

Cooped up in near solitary confinement, and now he even has to pay for his own porn feed. The brilliant Bershidsky wants to file that under a mild downside.

And here's strike three:

Trump's Business Record in Russia Is Humiliating — 29 August 2017

Trump never had what it took to be a player in Russia — not when it was a land of limitless opportunity as it began its flirtation with capitalism, and not today. This may not be comforting to Americans. To have a leader incapable of negotiating with Russians is probably worse than having a president with business ties to the Kremlin-connected elite.

s/Kremlin-connected elite/Russian mafia/

Turns out, door #2 has a second name.

None of the links in the summary go to the article authored by Bershidsky. Instead, it doubles down on putting lipstick on a pig.

Here's the Bershidsky link:

Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It's Mainly a Landlord.

Now I have three entries for Bershidsky in my idiots file:

"Rent extraction from a user base that finds it hard to go away may sound a bit like extortion," Leonid Bershidsky writes in closing. "But it's more honest and upfront than extracting data from users in ways they often don't understand and then making money off the data, as Facebook does.

Good grief, the average user understands practically nothing of the business model of either company. And Apple changes the design or the usability or the usage terms of what you already possess with basically no warning or explanation all the damn time.

I can hardly think of any company more opposed to the smallest glimmer of visibility into their future intentions than Apple.

Here's the second paragraph on B. from my idiots file:

The U.S. Intelligence Ship Is Too Leaky To Sail — 25 May 2017

Manning spent seven years in prison (though she'd been sentenced to 35), but Snowden, Assange, Petraeus, the unknown Chinese mole, the people who stole the hacking tools and the army of recent anonymous leakers, many of whom probably still work for U.S. intelligence agencies, have escaped any kind of meaningful punishment.

Meaningful to whom?

Assange must follow new Ecuador embassy rules, says judge — 29 October 2018

A judge in Ecuador has ruled against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, rejecting his request to loosen new requirements that he says are meant to push him into leaving his asylum in the country's embassy in London. ... Relations between Assange and Ecuador have grown increasingly prickly as the years have dragged on, with no resolution in sight.

Every young boy dreams of someday becoming an unwanted house guest in a foreign embassy with ten times more power over your daily conditions that a regular landlord or your 1 of 7 step mother.

Cooped up in near solitary confinement, and now he even has to pay for his own porn feed. The brilliant Bershidsky wants to file that under a mild downside.

And here's strike three:

Trump's Business Record in Russia Is Humiliating — 29 August 2017

Trump never had what it took to be a player in Russia — not when it was a land of limitless opportunity as it began its flirtation with capitalism, and not today. This may not be comforting to Americans. To have a leader incapable of negotiating with Russians is probably worse than having a president with business ties to the Kremlin-connected elite.

s/Kremlin-connected elite/Russian mafia/

Turns out, door #2 has a second name.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-02/apple-s-business-is-about-services-more-than-new-iphones-now

Fuck infinite scroll site designs.

This.. take a read : https://www.bloomberg.com/opin...

interesting read (from bloomberg of all places)

Piracy and Fraud Propelled the U.S. Industrial Revolution

https://www.bloomberg.com/opin...

Perhaps you can cite which classes in the US have the highest average salaries

Sure. Nigerian immigrants, Asians, and Jews.

one article of many

There was no attempt at that time to refute the stories by Apple and others at that time.

You're confusing two different incidents. The reason there wasn't an attempt to refute the 2016 firmware incident you're talking about is because it actually happened. Apple has even talked about it publicly. From Apple's response to Bloomberg:

We are deeply disappointed that in their dealings with us, Bloomberg’s reporters have not been open to the possibility that they or their sources might be wrong or misinformed. Our best guess is that they are confusing their story with a previously-reported 2016 incident in which we discovered an infected driver on a single Super Micro server in one of our labs. That one-time event was determined to be accidental and not a targeted attack against Apple.

The 2016 firmware incident in which a single SuperMicro server in a test environment received a malware update is real. The 2015 hardware incident alleged by Bloomberg—in which a malicious chip was physically placed on the boards—has zero factual basis as of yet and zero corroboration from outside sources.

Moreover, as I've already pointed out to you in previous comments, SuperMicro didn't lose Amazon as a customer in 2017 like you're claiming. From Amazon's response to Bloomberg (same link as above):

Additionally, in June 2018, researchers made public reports of vulnerabilities in SuperMicro firmware. As part of our standard operating procedure, we notified affected customers promptly, and recommended they upgrade the firmware in their appliances.

Amazon was still using SuperMicro as of earlier this year. SuperMicro did lose a big customer, but it apparently wasn't Amazon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

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Why did both Apple and Amazon dump SuperMicro at roughly the same time?

They didn't. Apple dumped SuperMicro in 2016 (i.e. a year after they allegedly found the chips) after an unrelated firmware incident. Amazon was still using SuperMicro boards as of earlier this year, which they even mentioned in their initial response to Bloomberg:

[I]n June 2018, researchers made public reports of vulnerabilities in SuperMicro firmware. As part of our standard operating procedure, we notified affected customers promptly, and recommended they upgrade the firmware in their appliances.

I don't know where people got the false idea that they dumped SuperMicro at the same time. Moreover, if these malicious chips were real, the timeline makes no sense. Apple discovered these chips back in mid-2015, but then didn't dump SuperMicro for a full year? And Amazon knew about them too in 2015, but then didn't dump SuperMicro for three full years? It makes no sense.

God clearly doesn't want us to burn oil, or he wouldn't have buried it almost entirely under assholes and terrorists.

You mean, here?

My opinion: Jeff Bezos is not a sufficiently capable manager. Evidence: Look at any Amazon web page. As you are researching some product that is interesting, you are often distracted by other products. One fix: Put any distractions at the bottom of the page.

There are many other shortcomings of the Amazon web site.

Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace (New York Times, Aug. 15, 2015)

Quote: "The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push white-collar workers..."

Amazon warehouse jobs push workers to physical limit (Seattle Times, April 3, 2012)

Worse than Wal-Mart: Amazon's sick brutality and secret history of ruthlessly intimidating workers (Salon.com, Feb. 23, 2014)

Amazon paid no US income taxes for 2017 (SeattlePI, Feb. 27, 2018)

Undercover author finds Amazon warehouse workers in UK 'peed in bottles' over fears of being punished for taking a break (Business Insider, April 16, 2018)

The undercover author who discovered Amazon warehouse workers were peeing in bottles tells us the culture was like a 'prison' (Business Insider, April 18, 2018)

Amazon Gets Tax Breaks While Its Employees Rely on Food Stamps, New Data Shows (The Intercept, April 19, 2018)

Quote: "Though the company now employs 200,000 people in the United States, many of its workers are not making enough money to put food on the table."

Amazon Under Fire Over Alleged Worker Abuse in Germany (bloomberg.com, Feb 19, 2013)

Would you fly into space with a company managed by someone who makes those mistakes and doesn't detect them? Note that Blue Origins does not have the capability of orbiting the earth.

FYI Mastercard already sold your data to Google.
I am wondering if the EU GPDR data law could help to force Mastercard to reveal what data they have and how they have shared it.

I had SMCI stock in 2017 and sold it after reports that Apple dropped them when they found serious security issues with their servers.

Going by that, the timeline would be that these companies discovered malicious hardware in 2015, kept thousands of those servers in service for two or more years, and only then decommissioned them. Does that make any sense at all?

Instead, if you read their initial responses to what Bloomberg published, they actually say more than that "they have no idea what Bloomberg is talking about". For instance, Apple provides an alternative explanation for Bloomberg's confusion:

[...] Bloomberg’s reporters have not been open to the possibility that they or their sources might be wrong or misinformed. Our best guess is that they are confusing their story with a previously-reported 2016 incident in which we discovered an infected driver on a single Super Micro server in one of our labs. That one-time event was determined to be accidental and not a targeted attack against Apple.

Apple dropped SuperMicro shortly after that incident, making it a much more likely cause for the falling out. Likewise, Amazon cites firmware issues with SuperMicro boards in their response, though you'll note that they were still using SuperMicro boards in 2018:

Additionally, in June 2018, researchers made public reports of vulnerabilities in SuperMicro firmware. As part of our standard operating procedure, we notified affected customers promptly, and recommended they upgrade the firmware in their appliances.

All of which is to say, nothing about Bloomberg's story makes any sense. The timeline makes no sense, none of the alleged victims has anything to gain by lying, one of their only named sources has come out saying he doubts the story, literally every company or agency allegedly involved has said it's untrue, and Apple has even gone so far as to formally inform Congress that inasmuch as the story pertains to them it's untrue, while additionally affirming via press releases that they are not under a gag order or anything else of the sort.

Someone's credibility is going to take a nosedive after the dust settles from this, and I expect that it will be Bloomberg's.

Does anybody think the Chinese government deserves the benefit of the doubt?

Does Bloomberg?

Yes. Bloomberg is a center-right media outlet, and almost all of their profitable business is related to selling financial information to professionals. They make an industry-leading software product called Bloomberg Terminal that they use to disseminate this information.

I wouldn't trust them on political reporting, because they tend to give the perspective of a center-right business executive. But on general news that doesn't relate to their industry, they are nothing if not mainstream. They don't go for bombastic tabloid nonsense, it would tarnish their brand. Getting page views isn't the purpose of their public news service; enhancing their brand is the purpose.

Therefore, I would give Bloomberg the benefit of the doubt that they believe this information to be true, and to be of great import to purchasing and IT managers, in addition to investors and financial services providers. This is big enough that the insurance community is probably taking a lot of interest, too. They would never intentionally publish a false report that purported to be of great interest to the industries where they make their bread-and-butter; it would be all downside for them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/comp... Don't worry about the PR there, just look at the bottom of the page under "Products" and "Industry Products" and you can understand why they are a trusted source on this; they'd lose a lot by being wrong. And they have a lot to lose.

...that and Michael Bloomberg is no Trumpkin so Bloomberg media is extremely unlikely to be helping Trump and his gang of lunatics in their ongoing effort to start a war with China, be it of the shooting or the trade variety. Now Fox News & the Murdoch media behemoth, Sinclair Broadcast Group and the rest of that ilk on he other hand will lie for Trump no matter what he does. What interests me is how these chips are supposed to have worked and how they could siphon off gigabytes of data and ship it to China, presumably over network connections and through firewalls, without anybody noticing.

Does anybody think the Chinese government deserves the benefit of the doubt?

Does Bloomberg?

Yes. Bloomberg is a center-right media outlet, and almost all of their profitable business is related to selling financial information to professionals. They make an industry-leading software product called Bloomberg Terminal that they use to disseminate this information.

I wouldn't trust them on political reporting, because they tend to give the perspective of a center-right business executive. But on general news that doesn't relate to their industry, they are nothing if not mainstream. They don't go for bombastic tabloid nonsense, it would tarnish their brand. Getting page views isn't the purpose of their public news service; enhancing their brand is the purpose.

Therefore, I would give Bloomberg the benefit of the doubt that they believe this information to be true, and to be of great import to purchasing and IT managers, in addition to investors and financial services providers. This is big enough that the insurance community is probably taking a lot of interest, too. They would never intentionally publish a false report that purported to be of great interest to the industries where they make their bread-and-butter; it would be all downside for them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/comp...
Don't worry about the PR there, just look at the bottom of the page under "Products" and "Industry Products" and you can understand why they are a trusted source on this; they'd lose a lot by being wrong. And they have a lot to lose.

Rei said:

[...] the 4th highest selling car in the US by volume [...]

Your source says:

These are the 20 best-selling cars and trucks in America in 2018
Brian Pascus Aug. 20, 2018, 9:44 AM

Lol, way to try using an article from two months ago (long before this quarter's production numbers were announced) that doesn't even measure the same thing, to refute a claim about current production numbers of sedans. Here's a better source from six days ago.

See Apple's Statement here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

Looks like Bloomberg only believes their reporter's secret sources and refuses to believe Apple when they investigate when consulted for comments and refute repeatedly the allegations.

In other news: phayes ( 202222 ) is an authoritarian who believes whatever someone in a position of power dictates, and brushes off any view that doesn't match the dictated view from their chosen one. Rather than form their own conclusion based on the evidence. Of which, it's too early to call on this one.

Turn in your geek card, you're done.

What people forget is that before the '420 tweet' investigation was announced, there was already an open investigation into Musk's Model 3 production promises. And don't forget the DoJ has an open investigation. If the issues with the feds were settled then why the rant and why now hire a law firm that specializes in defending its clients from fraud?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

*puts fingers in ears* Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal

Elon Musk is a god. He is perfect!

What people forget is that before the '420 tweet' investigation was announced, there was already an open investigation into Musk's Model 3 production promises. And don't forget the DoJ has an open investigation. If the issues with the feds were settled then why the rant and why now hire a law firm that specializes in defending its clients from fraud? https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

I'd like to thank Californians for putting up with idiotic toilets that save a few percent off state usage so they can send 90% of their water to water a desert so we can have winter vegetables and "California" as an adjective on many prepared foods, meaning avocado.

Thanks, put-upon Califlushers!

Actually, more than 20% of the water (unless it's changed in the past few years) goes to grow alfalfa to feed cattle, and much of it is now shipped to China.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view...

There'd be a lot more water to go around if all they were growing were fruits & veg.

As a guy who DESIGNS hardware, I can confidently say this....

...However, adding a chip like this (a two-terminal part as shown in the article) to an existing product not designed for it seems very problematic......

Looks like it has 3 connections to me..
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

Tim Cook rails against Google's privacy invading/trading business model yet earns a reported $9B/year to make Google the default search engine for Safari and various Apple services like Siri. In other words, Apple wont abuse user privacy themselves for profit - they get paid to enable Google to do it on their behalf.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-09-28/apple-looks-down-on-ads-but-takes-billions-from-google

See Apple's Statement here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

Looks like Bloomberg only believes their reporter's secret sources and refuses to believe Apple when they investigate when consulted for comments and refute repeatedly the allegations.

Bloomberg published responses from the companies involved. Here are some excerpts that give you a sense of how they responded...

Amazon:

It’s untrue that AWS knew about a supply chain compromise, an issue with malicious chips, or hardware modifications when acquiring Elemental. It’s also untrue that AWS knew about servers containing malicious chips or modifications in data centers based in China, or that AWS worked with the FBI to investigate or provide data about malicious hardware. [...]

And they go on to say a lot more that categorically denies Bloomberg's claims while making a mention of an unrelated firmware incident from 2016.

Apple:

Over the course of the past year, Bloomberg has contacted us multiple times with claims, sometimes vague and sometimes elaborate, of an alleged security incident at Apple. Each time, we have conducted rigorous internal investigations based on their inquiries and each time we have found absolutely no evidence to support any of them. We have repeatedly and consistently offered factual responses, on the record, refuting virtually every aspect of Bloomberg’s story relating to Apple.

On this we can be very clear: Apple has never found malicious chips, “hardware manipulations” or vulnerabilities purposely planted in any server. Apple never had any contact with the FBI or any other agency about such an incident. We are not aware of any investigation by the FBI, nor are our contacts in law enforcement. [...]

And they go on to say a lot more that categorically denies Bloomberg's claims while suggesting that Bloomberg may be confused about the 2016 firmware incident.

Super Micro:

While we would cooperate with any government investigation, we are not aware of any investigation regarding this topic nor have we been contacted by any government agency in this regard. We are not aware of any customer dropping Supermicro as a supplier for this type of issue.

And they go on to say a lot more that categorically denies Bloomberg's claims, including denying that they even make the chips that were allegedly compromised and that these companies supposedly purchased from them.

Meanwhile, here's a complete list of Bloomberg's sources who were willing to speak on the record:

*crickets*

Apple and other companies have responded. It would seem Bloomberg has done little to provide any evidence over the past year, while these companies have investigated and found nothing of substance to the claims. Apple's response in particular is strongly worded and makes it clear that they find these claims to be baseless. https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

So how many will they sell (most likely at a loss) at $35K? Because right now, Tesla is well out-sold by other car models, let alone car brands.

Bullshit.

According to Bloomberg the Model 3 is the 5th best selling sedan in America, regardless of price or size.

1st - Toyota Corolla
2nd - Toyota Camry
3rd - Honda Civic
4th - Honda Accord
5th - Tesla Model 3

That's pretty damn good.

When Tesla is profitable, cash positive and has dealt with all that Solarcity debt, then we'll have something to talk about. Otherwise, the Model 3 production figures are just a distraction.

And what's this focus on Model 3 sales? Model S sales have tanked. The Model X is flat. Solarcity is floundering, I mean really.

The definition of a successful business is one that is profitable. One that is not, is unsuccessful - a failure.

Tesla is a failure. It's been 15 years - going on 16 - and Musk can't make it work?

Wouldn't it be delicious if this derailed humanity's path to the stars long enough that we didn't make it as a species?

I honestly can't think of a worse group of folks than financial lawyers, or a better group of people than SpaceX.

Here's something you people don't understand, Tesla is owned by investment funds that pool a lot of people's money. Some of it retirement money of little people.

Do you people understand that?

Those Wall Street people are working for us in the end.

Do you understand?

Elon Musk has proven himself to be a liar and unstable - possibly mentally ill or a drug addict. Outside of the Slashdot echo chamber of Musk fanboys, Investors are quite concerned about him and horrible leadership of Tesla.

This whole Shorts vs. the Longs is a delusional fantasy Musk cooked up to rally the fans and make him seem like an underdog.

Tesla is a money losing, debt ridden cash burning train wreck and it's all Musk's incompetence that caused it. I hope the SEC looks into the Solarcity deal. That has fraud written all over it. To burden Tesla and her shareholders with that failing company was incredibly dishonest. That fantasy of Tesla owners having solar cells on their roofs and charging their Teslas is not happening. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, the fanboys will discount this story as a "hit piece" because they are all just like Creationists in their denial of facts.)

If you people would stop this worship of Musk, you'd see who he truly is.

And as far as Space X is concerned, the sooner Musk is gone the better for that company.

apple designs are shitty

and they stole code from Qualcomm to give to Intel and still could not make it work
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-25/qualcomm-says-apple-stole-software-to-improve-intel-modem-chip

Time was apple was great at stealing. Now they cant even manage that.

You are right that they are not based in Dallas, but they are in the same state. Dallas Buyers Club, LLC was founded in 2012 and is based in The Woodlands, Texas. Their address is:

2710 Buckthorne Place
Suite 400
The Woodlands, TX 77380
United States

Source: Bloomberg
Here is a report of Dallas Buyers Club, LLC suing an Australian ISP about the film Dallas Buyers Club showing that they are linked.

Huawei Passes Apple in Smartphone Share

The whole Belt and Road initiative is running into some problems, receiving a lot of pushback from many countries that are realizing it's no picnic to be controlled by China.

They are improving, but most likely not at 8000, rather around 4000 cars per week: https://www.bloomberg.com/grap...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

After another 30-50 years when we finally have robotics and AI, we simply won't need workers any more. Robots will do the job of all but a few of the working class, and AI will do the job of all but a few of the middle class

If we combine Robots with AI, it would supplant even the toppest 0.001% elite echelon class.

TFA (on https://www.bloomberg.com/view... ) has this one sentence:

"... governments need to fund the AI education of their best and brightest students ..."

In other words, the dumbfucks will no longer have any place in the future world

"it's easy to spend other people's money" = Republicanism in a nutshell

What planet are you from?

On EARTH the tax & spend people call themselves "liberal", "progressive" or "socialist", but in reality are Marxist. Bloomberg describes how the Democrats want to reverse tax cuts and add $1 Trillion on tax hikes IF they win this midterm and in 2020. For sure they will use some of the tax money put more people on welfare so they'll become dependent on gov handouts.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

https://www.atr.org/democrats-...

https://www.watchdog.org/natio...

https://www.reviewjournal.com/...

http://illinoisreview.typepad....

Here's the truth:
https://www.investors.com/poli...

"oil production is the #1 strategic concern of Saudi Arabia, and electric cars are their anathema."

yes, oil currently is their no #1, but they are pouring money into renewables, they see the future better than Trump

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

You just call anyone you don't like "fascist".

No, professor, it is you who does that. I call Chinese "Fascist" because that is, what they are — by the very definition of the term. Unlike the Communist/Socialist China of the late 20th century, today's China is Fascist: capitalist markets exist — and move the economy — but they are tightly controlled by the government. The secondary indications — like rising nationalism and persecution of minorities (complete with ethnic cleansing) are there too. And — and this is the point most important to this discussion — neither a person nor a company can survive after displeasing the government in general and the Dear Leader in particular.

Up until Trump's election, the US was going in that same direction (and not fast enough for some people). One hopes, he'd be able to survive politically long enough to cripple the creep towards Fascism for a few generations — by nominating judges with a similar pessimism over the government's power.

But, whether he succeeds in that or not, his very attempts make him anti-Fascist. That Google's CEO dislikes Trump for his imaginary Fascism, while willingly cooperating with the actual Fascists of China is a sign of deep malaise of this country's elites — both real, like this very bright Mr. Brin, and the wannabes, like a certain much dimmer teacher who is so wanting in education.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...