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Re:The place
to quote 5100.08
Sentence Length. A male inmate with more than ten years remaining to serve will be housed in at least a Low security level institution unless the PSF has been waived.
A male inmate with more than 20 years remaining to serve will be housed in at least a Medium security level institution, unless the PSF has been waived.
A male inmate with more than 30 years remaining to serve (including non-parolable LIFE sentences) will be housed in a High security level institution unless the PSF has been waived.Gottesfeld was sentenced to ten years, and therefore his classification will be based on other factors. Perhaps they'll find ways to penalize his trip to Cuba.
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Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this.Since these are non-violent crimes, if convicted of felonies (highly unlikely, especially due to the age of the defendant & possibly other factors, such as race/ethnicity and defense lawyer competence) the defendant will most likely end up in a Federal Prison Camp (minimum security):
https://www.bop.gov/about/faci...
People need to stop thinking that what you see about prison in movies or TV (even reality TV) is the norm.
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And I hope ...
... that everyone is going to prison. The President, his Cabinet, 100 Senators, 435 Representatives, you, me, really just everyone.
Are Federal prisons privately run yet, and are they publicly traded? Because I have some great investment ideas that involve 100% incarceration rates.
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Re:Black Lives Matter
By the same metric, for every one black criminal we'd expect 7 non black criminals... Everything being equal we'd expect 12.5% of the prison population to be black, matching the general population.
And yet US government statistics show that blacks account for 37.8% of the prison population (source: https://www.bop.gov/about/stat...)
If black are more likely to commit crimes, and be caught doing so, it stands to reason that they are also more likely to have interactions with police.
That's also not considering the nature of the crime which has attracted police attention and the behaviour of the suspect. A member of a known violent street gang is far more likely to provoke a police shooting than someone who is committing fraud from behind a desk.
How you behave when confronted by police is also a significant factor. If you comply with their instructions and hand over your weapons (or prove to them that you don't have any weapons) then your very unlikely to get shot. If you behave in a threatening way and the officers believe you might kill them then the natural self preservation instinct kicks in.
Many people, white black and others have non violent interactions with police all the time. Just comply with their instructions and be polite and you won't get shot, if you feel you were treated unfairly file a complaint later.So blacks being more likely to be shot by police is not necessarily a symptom of racism (indeed many blacks have been shot by black or other non white police officers), it's a symptom of blacks being more likely to commit crimes, more likely to attract police attention and more likely to react aggressively when confronted.
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Re:Who'd a Thunk?
Are you joking, or do you just not understand what rates are? As of 2010, over 2% of black people were incarcerated, nearly six times higher than whites, and more than double hispanics. Less than 60% of inmates are white, despite the fact that 3 in 4 Americans are white. For accidents: In 2015 one in four fatalities were a minority, even though the workforce is closer to one in five minority. I won't even get into the nonsense about lower class being mostly white.
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Re:A better alternative
The US has prisons similar to Norway's
No they don't. Period. Seriously, stop
Sure we do. Look under "Minimum Security Prisons":
https://www.bop.gov/about/faci...
Again, no. 1987 the SCOTUS found that there was no rehabilitation component of federal incarceration
I believe SCOTUS found that there was no constitutional right to rehabilitation; that doesn't mean that the federal government never rehabilitates. But if there's a point you're trying to make, please cite the actual decision you're referring to.
Some people believe that RDAP is an attempt to reintroduce rehabilitation. When they talk to people who go through the program they stop thinking that.
And what does that have to do with your statement that "the Nordic countries are doing it right"? I don't think the Nordic countries are doing it right. And I don't think the Nordic system could function in the US.
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Re:A better alternative
Remember, a prison is supposed to be about rehab, not outright punishment.
Prisons have multiple functions: they protect society by physically separating criminals, they serve as punishment, they serve as deterrent, and they may also rehabilitate. If you say that their purpose ought to be only rehabilitation, well, you're probably largely on your own.
The Nordic countries do it right.
That's your opinion, not a fact. Many people are offended by Breivik's conditions of imprisonment for example.
Furthermore, it's not like the US isn't trying. The US has prisons similar to Norway's and we imprison and rehabilitate low risk prisoners there. However, the US has a much more diverse population, and hence we have a much larger number of people who are difficult to rehabilitate.
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Re:from the biased report...
Are you suggesting crime rates are propaganda? Feed the computer the racial background of everyone incarcerated in America. Be shocked when it concludes blacks are more likely to be criminals.
58.7% of inmates at federal prisons are White (statistics as of 25 Feb 2017), while 37.7% are Black. 72.4% of residents self-identified as White in the 2010 US census (12.6% self identified as Black). The debate is over this discrepancy.
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Re:H1B Visa?
There is also a racial aspect to it as something like 90% of prisoners are non-white.
Inmate Race Statistics from the Federal Bureau of Prisons:
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Re:Good for him
Are there a lot of people in jail for possessing or using pot? Unquestionably, yes there are. The question though is how did they get arrested? They did something that attracted the attention of law enforcement.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons says that number was just under eighty-four thousand last month, 46.4% of all prisoners. I don't know exactly how they build the graph, but I assume someone arrested for murder while high would be counted as homocide rather than a drug offense. The numbers add up to 100%, so it doesn't appear to be overlapping.
That doesn't count state prisons which—while housing far more prisoners—have a smaller percentage locked up for drug offenses. "According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, there are 1,358,875 people in state prisons. Of them, 16 percent have a drug crime as their most serious offense."
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Re:The U.S. ain't perfect, but...
Something else is going on here.
Namely: the "war on drugs" and "tough on crime" legislation of the 1990s that included such idiot provisions as "three strikes and you're out" which causes repeat minor offenses to add up to major time in prison.
According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, around 50% of inmates are there for drug offenses. (source) It's unclear of that number how many are repeat possession, and how many are distribution. But it's still likely to be a large number of people that are sitting in jail for doing no harm to anyone but themselves.*
* I say only themselves, because if they were caught stealing to fuel their drug habit, they'd be in prison for stealing, not on drug charges.
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Re:I have an idea
Yes, well, Let's take a slightly more inclusive view, no?
Inclusive? Those are federal only statistics. A subset of overall prisoners. Not inclusive. Federal crimes. You know, heavily weighted to drug offenses.
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Re:I have an idea
Yes, well, Let's take a slightly more inclusive view, no?
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Mexcio jails are easy to brake out of move him to
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Re:The problem is collecting the bounty
You can find anything on the internet, should have waited a bit longer for my post.
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Re:living in america :(
To break up the wall of responses pointing out the moral and social quandaries of your post, here is some material about how you can, in fact, work while in prison. The rehabilitation of prisoners is not completely a dead concept in the United States, although it is severely weaker than it is in many other Western democracies.
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Re:Look at our entire system of prosecution
Most people in prison are not there because of murder or serious crimes, and neither because of drugs.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons would disagree with that statement:
Drug offenders make up 47.4% of the Federal prison population, the single largest category of offenses in the system.
By comparison, violent criminals make up ~13% of the federal prison population, using this guideline for classifying violent crime: "The United States Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) counts five categories of crime as violent crimes: murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault." (source)
The AC is right - reform drug laws & sentencing, and the largest single category of offenders in the federal prison population - comprising nearly 50% of federal prisoners - go free. This would ALSO cut our incarceration rate roughly in half.
A lot of countries have even more restrictive drug laws.
Such as? According to the Drug Freedom Index, the USA scores a "1.5/10" rating at the federal level (some individual states fare better, but not buy much) - which means that most drugs are illegal, and there are prison terms for possession/use, along with mandatory sentencing guidelines in at least some areas.
You know what countries have scores lower than 1.5 on that list? It's actually a fair short list, and not exactly a "who's who" of progressive first world nations:
Algeria, Bhutan, China, Dem. Republic of Congo, Indonesia, North Korea, Kuwait, Malaysia, Oman, Singapore, Syria, Taiwan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Yemen.And here's the list of countries that ALSO scored "1.5" (tied with the US' Federal rating) - again, not a lot of forward-thinking liberal first-world nations in this list: Afghanistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Burma/Myanmar, Cuba, Egypt, Guyana, India, Iran, Jordan, South Korea, Laos, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Tunisia, Vietnam.
So let's review the key points:
1) The US has some of the most draconian drug laws (and drug-related mandatory sentencing regimes) in the world, and certainly among the strictest in the "affluent western country" category
2) The US has spent enormous amounts of time and money prosecuting these crimes zealously - War on Drugs, remember?
3) People IN the US are generally a lot more affluent than people in the other countries with similarly strict drug laws - meaning that if you're going to engage in drug trafficking, the US is a great place to smuggle it to, because you've got a lot of people who can afford your product. I doubt the colombian cartels are searching desperately for new ways to expand their markets into North Korea or Somalia, where the average person is dirt poor by US standards. Spare me the "hurr durr I am the 99%" responses, the simple fact is that even the poorest people in the USA (with very few exceptions), have a far better standard of living than the poor in just about any other country on the two lists above.
3) Nearly 50% of the inmates in federal prison are there for drug offensesIn summary - the largest single group of criminals in prison are drug offenders. Decriminalize most of these drugs, and you've just about reduced the US' incarceration rate by nearly 50%.
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Re:What kind of prison? First?
http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp doesn't have him listed yet. He probably has some specified amount of time to surrender to authorities.
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Wow. Just more uninformed people on /.
The prison time is only PART of the sentence! " Baxter was sentenced to 4 years in prison to be followed by 3 years of supervised release, and ordered to pay $2.33 million in restitution to Cisco Systems, and $462,828 in restitution to Verizon."
Nearly $2.8 million to pay back off of the $2.8 million they say he stole. I am guessing that he doesn't have ALL of the proceeds from his caper.
IF he gets minimum security Federal Prision Camp, he will likely go closest to home. FCP Montgomery. http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/mon/MON_aohandbook.pdf
Don't sound like 4 years of fun to me. In any institution or camp there is going to be a heirarchy. This guy is none of the things that are going to make his life in "camp" fun. He is not rich! He may be a tough bird, but he is an old bird at 62. All those ailments that get treated outside of "camp" are going to go untreated. No more private doctors. Dentists that only pull teeth. Hey, maybe he can get one of the best jobs there and make $1.46/hour.
Neither Cisco or Verizon lost their lives or were even traumatized by his actions. However, they need a sentence that works as a deterrent, which this is.
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Re:Should be able to use a offline computer at lea
I have never understood why prisoners should be forbidden from using an *offline* computer.
Actually, they're not, at least in California. I personally know several inmates who are taking college courses "behind bars." The computers aren't Internet-connected, and the instructor collects the flash drives they store their work on between classes, but they have access to computers for educational purposes. Some inmate clerks also have access to computers (non-networked) for typing and other clerical tasks.
In the federal system, they're even experimenting with the very limited and locked down TRULINCS email system for inmates...
What's not accurate is the summary's claim that "prison regulations forbid any contact with the outside world." Inmates routinely contact the outside world through telephone calls, letters, and contact and/or non-contact (and in California and New York, for most inmates, the possibility of "family" a/k/a "trailer" a/k/a/ "conjugal") visits...
On a related topic, anyone remember the Wired article on Roy Wahlberg? "Roy Wahlberg hacked a man to death, then hacked his way into a million-dollar software business behind bars."
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Re:It's the cold and Isolation
Most people in the US are not in prison for "violating someone else's rights". Most are in there for non-violent drug offenses that have violated nobody's rights.
The best stats I could find quickly are here, and show drug offenses at (a somewhat surprising to me) 48%. Lump in immigration at 12% and you've covered most of the non-rights-violators at 60%.
Then add up Weapons, Explosives, Arson, Robbery, Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses, Extortion, Fraud, Bribery, Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses and get about 30% of the population. So it's not the majority, but it's certainly not small.
But now that the dry statistics are actually quantified, lets look at "rights violation". How many of those drug offenses are for users, and how many are for dealers and trafficers? It doesn't say in that chart, unfortunately. I would classify dealers and trafficers as rights violators, though you may not. They're certainly AREN'T in the "not hurting anyone but themselves" camp. Your turn to go dig up some statistics.
(and this is ignoring the reality that a lot of druggies fund their habit using predatory behavior, and have a lot of collateral damage on their friends and family - saying "they're not hurting anyone but themselves" doesn't cut it when their kids haven't eaten a square meal in months because mommy has to have her crack)
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Re:Once again
You raise, a good point. The evidence suggests that to some extent criminals lack of education is caused by other variables that lead to both to criminality and make completing school more difficult. In particular, criminals have on average lower intelligence, http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201006/why-criminals-are-less-intelligent-non-criminals poor impulse control,http://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=101809 and extremely high self-esteem
,http://www.emotionalcompetency.com/papers/baumeistersmartboden1996%5B1%5D.pdf, all of which are associated with doing poorly in school.However, there's also evidence that some amount of criminal behavior is due to lower education reducing work opportunities. The most successful programs at reducing recidivism are those which educate the convicts. https://www.stcloudstate.edu/continuingstudies/distance/documents/CollegeEducationandRecidivismEducatingCriminalsisMeritorious1997.pdf although the exact causes of this are unclear http://www.bop.gov/news/research_projects/published_reports/recidivism/orepredprg.pdf. So, while there is a correlation v. causation issue, it does look like education genuinely helps.
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Re:Too fucking bad..
"The US Bureau of Prisons, however, has decided to make Mr Kernell serve out his term in the low-security prison camp nearly 300 miles from his home in Knoxville, Tennessee."
Seriously guys, when you're incarcerated, you don't have a choice which facility you will be housed in. The USBOP is obviously making an example out of this guy, and I can totally understand why. What I don't understand is why this article seems to be doing a lot of crying on behalf of Kernell. Don't commit the crime if you're going to whine all the way to prison. It's that simple.
Not to mention that Ashland is the nearest low-security federal prison to his home. It's not like there is a prison in his neighborhood.
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Re:Too fucking bad..
He's going to a minimum or low security facility, which is typically almost completely unsecured, and has a focus on work and job programs. We are not talking about "hard time" here. He'll be serving alongside white-collar criminals, not exactly a dangerous bunch.
From the BOP web site:
The Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) Ashland is a low security institution housing male inmates with a satellite camp that houses minimum security inmates.
And since the article calls it low security, but references the prison camp, he might be housed at either the low or min- security facility. Here's a description of the type of facility he's going to:
Minimum Security: Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and limited or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and program-oriented; and many are located adjacent to larger institutions or on military bases, where inmates help serve the labor needs of the larger institution or base.
Low Security: Low security Federal Correctional Institutions (FCIs) have double-fenced perimeters, mostly dormitory or cubicle housing, and strong work and program components. The staff-to-inmate ratio in these institutions is higher than in minimum security facilities.
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Re:Too fucking bad..
He's going to a minimum or low security facility, which is typically almost completely unsecured, and has a focus on work and job programs. We are not talking about "hard time" here. He'll be serving alongside white-collar criminals, not exactly a dangerous bunch.
From the BOP web site:
The Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) Ashland is a low security institution housing male inmates with a satellite camp that houses minimum security inmates.
And since the article calls it low security, but references the prison camp, he might be housed at either the low or min- security facility. Here's a description of the type of facility he's going to:
Minimum Security: Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and limited or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and program-oriented; and many are located adjacent to larger institutions or on military bases, where inmates help serve the labor needs of the larger institution or base.
Low Security: Low security Federal Correctional Institutions (FCIs) have double-fenced perimeters, mostly dormitory or cubicle housing, and strong work and program components. The staff-to-inmate ratio in these institutions is higher than in minimum security facilities.
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Re:42 days off
A year and a day means he can earn 42 days of "good time" for early release. In the Federal system you can earn upto 54 days of "good time" per year 5884.04 Good Conduct Time Under the Prison Litigation Reform Act
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They already use prison labor...didja know that?
Bet you didn't know this. As I've posted, I just spent a few years at lovely (cough) FCI Elkton in Ohio. As with most BOP facilities, Elkton has a UNICOR "factory" where inmates work for up to $1 per hour, (though most make much, much less) to turn out furniture (Living in a dorm? It's probably got UNICOR furniture), mattresses, fencing, various types of wire, signs, lockers, filters, even prescription eyewear. And they also make guided missile components, batteries, injection molds, even power transformers and equipment. Wanna see a list?
And of course, they can compete with real companies, at insanely low prices because of near-slave labor. Nike has nothing on UNICOR.
But wait! There's more! Yes, UNICOR will handle all your sensitive documents and assign hundreds of barely trained drooling inmates (anyone with computer skills is banned from the work, as you would expect from the Government. I worked there for two weeks till they found out I had skills and banned me from the factory.) to take your paper documents (like Patent applications), use 1980's scanners and then get inmates to "fix" the scans manually on cutting edge Pentium 4 computers, discarded as "e-waste" by the US Government.
Need OCR/Coding/Indexing? No other company can touch our prices. And sure! You can trust our Luddite sex offenders not to talk about the contents of your patent to, say, a competitor.
Oh, the XML? They sub that out, since no Federal inmate is allowed by statute to write even markup code.
Or, maybe you have tons of sensitive paper documents that need electronic imaging? We will hand your precious records to our cadre of drug dealers (remember, if they've so much as written an email, they are forbidden! Only the very worst and stupidest for us!) and let them copy each one by hand. They won't take any. Really. Nope.
So! You can trust the USPTO with your work of a lifetime, they'll take care of it and secure it with all the power of the US Government.
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This is not new...happened to me.
Ok, as I've posted, I just finished a five year bid in the Feds. When I was first arrested, I was held at the very miserable Wyatt Detention Facility in Rhode Island. I had not gone to trial nor plead out, so was not a convicted criminal at the time.
My Judge ordered a cardiac study done, as I was having heart problems, so I was sent to a fed medical center at FMC Devens as a pre-trial detainee. The day I arrived I was required to give a DNA specimen, which they get with a finger stick and blood drops on a card. I mentioned I was pre-trial, but was told if I refused, I would be "four pointed" (cuffed to a metal bunk by all four limbs) and the specimen taken by force. This is the usual course for people arrested (but not convicted) in the Feds. Some may have had different experiences, but I was one of many I met with similar treatment.
So this bill seems to be nothing new.
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Re:Suicide?
Not in the US: http://www.bop.gov/about/mission.jsp Bureau of Prison's Mission Statement It is the mission of the Federal Bureau of Prisons to protect society by confining offenders in the controlled environments of prisons and community-based facilities that are safe, humane, cost-efficient, and appropriately secure, and that provide work and other self-improvement opportunities to assist offenders in becoming law-abiding citizens. I don't see the word "punishment" in there.
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NSA failures.
The total lack of security with keying material until this guy was caught.
http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=IDSearch&needingMoreList=false&IDType=IRN&IDNumber=22449-037&x=0&y=0 -
Re:Defendant worked for the Secret Service
I'm not really getting the thrust of your argument. Informants are, by definition, most likely to be criminals or criminal accessories. What's your point?
I believe his point is, they were supposed to be former criminals, in the past tense. Law enforcement's job is to see that they stay that way, not to go run amok with 40+ million credit cards.
In the case of the other informant he linked, the guy stole information directly from the Secret Service office's computers while the agents are on duty (though probably off viewing porn while the informant conducts non-authorized criminal activity). Mind you, they had a huge monitor displaying whatever the informant was doing on there aside from keylogging. Seriously, that's a huge lax on monitoring, if they can't even watch an informant in their own office. Makes you wonder if they are even capable of doing their jobs.
He's basically saying that this bust is just a front for the US government cleaning up a mess they created in 2003 by not initially locking this guy up or restricting his computer access/monitoring him more closely.
One other thing, the informant did absolutely no time for all previous criminal activity he conducted before turning informant, after his initial arrest in 2003 (which according to the FBOP inmate tracker, he is 27). Thus, he could have been doing this for some time. Basically, he got a free pass on whatever crime he did before his intial arrest, plus almost five more years of reeking havoc on the banking system. This is in sharp contrast to what most people would assume "informing" is, where a criminal cuts a deal for reduced time or perhaps probation/house arrest, but still gets charged. This guy however has not been charged, until now.
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Re:Funny - But still in the gene pool
Federal prison does not allow conjugal visits, this is from the official Bureau of Prisons site:
http://www.bop.gov/inmate_locator/faqs.jsp#27
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Re:Funny - But still in the gene pool
Federal prison does not allow conjugal visits, this is from the official Bureau of Prisons site:
http://www.bop.gov/inmate_locator/faqs.jsp#27
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Re:Copyright law is a farce..When you go to jail for longer for copyright infringment than for robbery
You don't.
In the U.S. robbery and assault are almost always prosecuted under state [local] law. When the feds do have jurisdiction in such cases, the hammer comes down. Bureau of Prisons - Quick Facts
If your contributions to the P2P nets ends in prosecution it will be for one very simple reason:
You were an arrogant litle prick who thought that geek-hood was a lifetime "get out of jail free" card. 50th Conviction Landed in Piracy Crackdown
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Re:Life in prison?Yet murderers and rapist get out in less than 5-10. WTF is wrong with our society.
You have a problem with that, take it up with your state legislature. Rape and murder almost never come under federal jurisdiction:
Total Sentenced Population 197,011
Homicide, Aggravated Assault and Kidnapping 5,547 (3%)
Sex Offices 4,409 (2.4%)Club Fed is a myth. Offenders do not get off lightly:
Sentence Imposed
5--10 Years 30%
10-15 Years 19%
15-20 Years 9%
More than 20 Years 10%
Life 3%
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Re:Cheap labor vs Skilled labor
Actually you are completely wrong. Maybe you were looking at the statistics for how many hispanics are employed at the prisons?
You can check the facts on the site you mentioned at:
http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp
% Hispanic Ethnicity = 31.2%
If you don't want to go by ethnicity, since you may argue that not all of them are illegal (Which is obviously true, though I'd say the majority come from illegal parents and are themselves the "anchor babies" that were previously mentioned) then...
The citizenship of the south american neighbors that are incarcerated (that most likely dodged across the mexican/american border) are:
Mexico: 32,542 (16.8 %)
Colombia: 3,170 (1.6 %)
Cuba: 1,616 (0.8 %)
Dominican Republic: 3,185 (1.6 %)
= 20.8% (ILLEGAL)
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Re:Is it a mandatory minimum?I'm more concerned that ONE COUNT of copyright infringement plus conspiracy to commit same can get you more time in prison than if you'd committed any number of violent crimes, up to and including some instances of first degree murder...
Then make the complaint to your state legislature.
--- because ordinary crimes of violence are almost never prosecuted under the federal system in the United States.
Quick Facts About the Bureau of Prisons [Last Updated: Saturday, 27 January 2007]
Inmate Population
Total 193,466
Weapons, Explosives, Arson: 25,330 (14.2 %)
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses: 5,539 (3.1 %)
Sex Offenses: 4,161 (2.3 %)There are 42 federal inmates on death row. In the state of Texas alone, 389. Offenders on Death Row
Not that the violent offender in the federal system gets off lightly. To be sentenced in a federal court is pretty much a guarantee that you will be doing hard time:
Sentence Inposed
5--10 years: 52,869 (29.6 %)
10-15 years: 33,871 (19.0 %)
15-20 years: 15,515 (8.7 %)
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Re:Proof Positive, Government (Congressional) Docs
Jeezus. That is some schweet statistical cherry picking. Not surprising at all that 25% of the FEDERAL prison pop is illegal immigrants, very few crimes that result in incarceration are federal. The vast, vast, vast majority of crimes are violations of state & local laws, and dealt with at the state level. Last week's BOP report says there are 195,248 Federal prisoners. So according to your statistics, that's ~48,000 illegal immigrants in the federal Pen. Now, the last number I can find for both state & federal is for midyear 2005, 1,259,905 people in state prisons and 179,220 in Club Fed. (Reference here). I dunno how many people in state prisons are illegal, probably lots in California and quite a few less in Idaho. But you can't say 25% of the people in prison are illegal based on statistics of the 12% of the prison population that's in the federal system, which is where being here illegally is dealt with, unless you're trying to be intentionally deceitful.
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Re:"What are you in for"Uh.. this raises a question: Would he go to federal pound me in the ass prison, or white-collar resort prison? (did you know they have conjugal visits there?!)
The federal prison system does not allow conjugal visits. Conjugal Visits
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The last guy to try this is in jailbut this guy is just too good. Not likely he'd have made a mistake.
Let's take a look at the career of last year's big pump-and-dump spammer:
"Computer Virus Broker Arrested for Selling Armies of Infected Computers to Hackers and Spammers
"Pump-and-dump spam domains go silent after botnet closure"
Spammers register pump-and-dump spam domains for use in spam runs. These domains are commonly discarded after a few days. The tactic is commonplace but the the arrest of alleged botmaster Jeanson James Ancheta, 20, of Downey, California, on 3 November has been accompanied by a radical shift in the landscape. "Up to recently, the graphs were all fairly smooth, with the stats showing that 12 days was about the maximum lifetime for this type of domain, while 30 per cent only lasted a day or under, and 10 per cent only lasted three hours or under," Shipp said. "This kind of activity just disappeared completely from the radar on 2 November."
Following up:
"Botnet Creator Pleads Guilty, Faces 25 Years"
Federal Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locator
- Name: JEANSON JAMES ANCHETA
- Inmate number: 32392-112
- Age: 21
- Race: Asian
- Sex: M
- Projected release date: 12-25-2009
- Location: CALIFORNIA CITY CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION
California City Prison: "This medium security desert prison opened in 2000, and is a stunning sight, either by day when its monolithic forms stand out on the desert pavement like ancient Egyptian architecture, or by night when floodlights bathe the gleaming facility in an orange glow which can be seen from as much as 30 miles away."
Next spammer, please.
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Re:guantanemo for pushing the big red button
That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time, and I teach computer science to undergrads. You are basically saying that if something isn't guarded or protected, then the law isn't important enough to be respected.
I guess you would be happier if we were being monitored 24 hours a day. Who's fascist now?
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Re:prisoner locator
Great, looks like we'll be footing the bill for this guy until 2011!
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prisoner locator
There is a web page to check for Federal prisoner: http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp
I checked before, and found out that a spammer that I sued Gary Hunziker was recently released. http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Trans action=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&LastName=H unziker&Middle=&FirstName=gary&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x =0&y=0
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prisoner locator
There is a web page to check for Federal prisoner: http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp
I checked before, and found out that a spammer that I sued Gary Hunziker was recently released. http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Trans action=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&LastName=H unziker&Middle=&FirstName=gary&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x =0&y=0
It sometimes is a handy web site. -
Jail time for DRAM price fixingInfineon execs are in jail for DRAM price fixing. Here's the indictment.
Gunter Hefner, formerly Infineon's vice president of sales for memory products, is now US Inmate #98184-011, according to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. Heinrich Florian, former vice president for sales marketing and logistics for memory products, is now US Inmate #98182-011.
Infineon had to pay $160 million in fines.
Samsung, Hynix, and Micron have also been implicated. The investigation continues.
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Re:It's not that it's not fair...... it's just scary.
It's rare for the federal government to claim jurisdiction in cases of rape or murder.
1% of federal prisoners are serving time for sex offenses, 3% for homicide, aggravated assault, or kidnapping, 4% of a prison population of 180,000. Federal Bureau of Prisons QUICK FACTS September 2004
To be among the 38% sentenced to more than ten years, you have to had mucked up your life pretty badly.
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Re:yeah the American people
As of June 2002, 1 in 142 US residents are in jail. The average annual cost to incarcerate an inmate in state prison is $22,650
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FYI, about half of the people in federal prisons, and around 20% of those in state prisons, (or 27%, by the DEA's numbers, though there they say the federal rate is about 5%, but this contradicts the Federal Bureau of Prisons figure of 54%) are in on nothing more than mere drug offenses, correct?
IMO, we ought to legalize all drugs, tax the hell out of those which seriously impair one's ability to operate machinery (e.g. cars, guns, etc.) so as to pay for the consequences which may result from legalization. Regulate the sale of the harder drugs (coke, heroin, etc.) by requiring a doctor's prescription -- a prescription as a recreational drug, much like Viagra... But softer drugs ought to be available over-the-counter for adults.
Legalizing marijuana alone would end the arrests of about 750k Americans/year and save the U.S. $7b in enforcing this prohibition, plus another $2b in housing weed-charged inmates.
Eliminate drug offenses, and your rate would go to around 1 in 284 (about 0.35%) Americans... Plus, by freeing all those people, we'd have more people here working productively and therefore able to share the cost of incarcerating the *real* criminals -- the murderers, rapists, fraudsters, etc., so the average annual cost of incarcerating prisoners would drop... -
Re:Oy
But the feds still expect the states to do the executions for them.
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Re:Damn
Niiiice. Maybe put in a redirect to one of the fed prison sites in the meantime? The BOP perhaps?
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Re:Yeah, yeah ...
"Whites split their vote evenly" is another strawman of yours. I never said that.
You inferred it by challenging me to prove the opposite.
What the government calls people" should be reflected in the census data. And like I explained even if 9 out of 10 Hispanics on this list were misclassified as white...
I'll deal with this later.
If they make up 20% of the population you should expect to find about 5000 on the list. Not 60, not even 600. This won't happen by chance, even with the help of Diego Delgado.
Figures lie and you're lying with figures. If we were talking about a random sampling of society, you'd be correct. We're not talking about a random sampling. We're talking about a list of people believed to be ex-cons. In case you haven't noticed, the ratio of the various ethnicities in free society isn't mirrored in the populations of our prisons.
Since we're talking about felons (or possible felons) I use the federal bureau of prisons as my source. I picked the name Jesus Ruiz because it is obviously a latino name. Guess what? The federal bureau of prisons classifies all 12 of them as white.
Same result of Jesus Ortiz, all 24 of of them are considered white. Jesus Rodriguez, 82 out of 84 are considered white.
It's obvious that the government misclassifies MANY latinos as white. You can't get accurate statistics if yuo're starting with inaccurate numbers.
So out of 119 people who are obviously Latino. 117 of them are classified as white and 2 of them are classified as black. The ratio of latinos misclassified by the government is even greater than 9 out of 10 when it comes to prison inmates.
LK