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Re: Too much hype about driverless cars by Ol+Olsoc · 2015-12-05 16:11 · Score: 1 · on How Much Will Autonomous Cars Really Help? (theconversation.com)

[Regarding cars travelling packed together]

Almost no latency? 4th and 10th !! Multiply that up - what about a thousand cars, or ten thousand, all in line in the rush-hour between say London and Reading (on the M4 motorway in the UK).

Siomehow I get the impression that these folk are in Jetson's mode, where you can draw a cartoon, and that's all it takes.Those thousands of cars will all have to know what each other are doing. Easy peasy, and no doubt!

Now mind you, I'm not saying it cannot be done. But simple it is not, and the consequenses of small mistakes in the communications or other electronics cna ruin a lot of people's day.

Now at the moment, I am all about lane assist, tailgating braking radar, and parking assistance and collision avoidance. These aren't glamorous as the idea of hundreds of thousands of cars all travelling at 150 miles per hour, a few feet from each other, in perfect harmony. But they take some incremental steps of increasing safety in a positively. Lane assist

http://www.toyota-global.com/i...

other stuff:

http://delphi.com/manufacturer...

Re:Highway vs Surface Streets by ColdWetDog · 2015-04-05 06:27 · Score: 1 · on A Robo-Car Just Drove Across the Country

Delphi is a fuel pump and gasket company, and they're not spectacular at that stuff..

Actually, you're a bit behind the curve. Delphi is big business underneath the hood and chassis. They make crummy gaskets, but they have quite a bit more depth than you seem to believe.

Phone replacing key fob by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-01 01:22 · Score: 0 · on Clinkle Wants To Become Your Wallet

It is expensive these days with all the interlocks and digital keying used in cars.

I actually have no car keys. Just a fob. So this would be a major modification.

And the fob's functionality of could just as well be programmed into my phone, if the phone battery lasted longer.

Programming the key fob functionality into your phone is already available.

http://delphi.com/about/news/media/pressReleases/pr_2013_03_28_001/

Sadly it is tied to Verizon Wireless service for now. Maybe once Bluetooth LE spreads to Android phones Delphi will consider adding this functionality to built-in OnStar hardware.

Pretty Low I Would Say ... What Motive Is There? by eldavojohn · 2007-05-10 09:46 · Score: 5, Informative · on Scientists Claim Major Leap in Engine Design

What's the over/under that this technology will be bought by ford / gm and killed in development?

Probably pretty low probability of that happening since a lot of people are working on it.

It's not just Purdue working on this, nor is it cutting edge. The idea of variable valve actuation has been around for a while as well as HCCI, which has some problems that are yet to be overcome. One of the notable ones that I recall is simple power. As the Wikipedia article notes, in a gasoline engine, you increase the fule/air charge to increase power. In a diesel engine, you just inject more fuel. In an HCCI engine, it's tough because "many of the viable control strategies for HCCI require thermal preheating of the charge which reduces the density and hence the mass of the air/fuel charge in the combustion chamber, reducing power. These factors makes increasing the power in HCCI inherently challenging."

For more info, the Wikipedia page has some great references:

So, it's got a lot of benefits but a few trade offs that need to be addressed first. Honestly, why would Ford/GM buy this out and kill it when they could just develop the technology themselves and integrate it into their vehicles like Hitachi's research? I mean, just because technology changes doesn't mean they should kill it instead of changing with it, right?

What about MyFi by IndyGreg · 2006-05-16 18:04 · Score: 1 · on RIAA Sues XM Satellite Radio

Doesn't the MyFi already save content? Why doesn't the RIAA go after the manufacturer, Delphi? There is a reason

XM officially supports time shifting by gnugie · 2004-08-26 15:39 · Score: 3, Interesting · on TiVo-like Application for XM Radio Under Fire

XM already has a product that allows time-shifting, although only for 30 minutes. It seems they're fully in support of your rights, as long as they get to control them. http://www.delphi.com/news/pressReleases/pr29451-0 8182004

Re:Let me get this straight. by Anonymous Coward · 2003-01-13 19:43 · Score: 0 · on Review Of GM's HyWire Hydrogen Concept Car

I did warn about it being a rant...

Anyways, have you opened up the hood recently? The majority of cars sold today still have throttle bodies. Push the wire, rev the engine. The throttle knob on the throttle body actually controls the air flow (not the fuel directly). Sensors feedback to the computer which then controls the spark timings, injectors, iac valve, air/fuel mixture, etc. It's a sensor feedback system with your foot controlling the throttle, and the computer responding to sensor inputs, indirectly from your foot position.

20 years ago? I guess you're confusing throttle bodies with carburetors.

Re:The reason I haven't bought one... by Controllers · 2002-10-23 03:21 · Score: 1 · on Satellite Radio in Fiscal Trouble

I would also like to point out that there is a $75 rebate on all Sony XM receivers.

Also Delphi just released SKYFi another receiver that can move between the home and the car. Also the SKYFi includes a remote and in my opinion looks better than the Sony.
It cost
$130 -- Receiver
$70 -- Home
$70 -- Car mount
$50 -- FM modulation
-------
$320

I love my SKYFi and I have only had it for three days.

Sorry, won't work... by Knacklappen · 2002-07-19 10:07 · Score: 5, Informative · on Drive a Greasecar - DIY Biodiesel

Having worked with the development of high-pressure direct-injection diesel engines at both Volkswagen and Volvo, I am quite critical towards any replacement fuel that has not been widely and thoroughly tested.

To begin with, some links for self study:
- Dieselnet.com has a great glossary and provides some excellent links
- Delphi has some nice PDF's on Unit Injectors and Common Rail
- Here some information from Bosch - Siemens has some nice pictures of injection systems, mainly common rail

Due to the very high pressures (up to 2100 bars) and therefore high temperatures with modern fuel injection systems, you really go to the limit of what diesel fuel can do: You use it simultaneously as fuel, coolant and oil and it takes a good blend to fulfill all these requirements! The chemical formula is important as well as the physical properties. The DOE has a webpage about diesel fuels. Have a look at their online diesel fuel property database and see which properties are essential for characterizing fuel. Other important factors are
- durability
- particles/filtration
- compressability/resistance against cavitation

Not to forget resistance of all sealings etc against the fuel. Think RME and you know why almost everybody in the industry (e.g. SCANIA) only approves blends with max 5% alternative fuels...

Don't get me wrong, but if those fuels are ruining the car, we really can't talk about environmental advantages then, now can we? On the other hand, serious life cycle analysis like this one and field studies will hopefully help to develop cleaner cars. If those are then driven by gas engines, diesel engines or fuel cells... who knows?

Sorry, won't work... by Knacklappen · 2002-07-19 10:07 · Score: 5, Informative · on Drive a Greasecar - DIY Biodiesel

Having worked with the development of high-pressure direct-injection diesel engines at both Volkswagen and Volvo, I am quite critical towards any replacement fuel that has not been widely and thoroughly tested.

To begin with, some links for self study:
- Dieselnet.com has a great glossary and provides some excellent links
- Delphi has some nice PDF's on Unit Injectors and Common Rail
- Here some information from Bosch - Siemens has some nice pictures of injection systems, mainly common rail

Due to the very high pressures (up to 2100 bars) and therefore high temperatures with modern fuel injection systems, you really go to the limit of what diesel fuel can do: You use it simultaneously as fuel, coolant and oil and it takes a good blend to fulfill all these requirements! The chemical formula is important as well as the physical properties. The DOE has a webpage about diesel fuels. Have a look at their online diesel fuel property database and see which properties are essential for characterizing fuel. Other important factors are
- durability
- particles/filtration
- compressability/resistance against cavitation

Not to forget resistance of all sealings etc against the fuel. Think RME and you know why almost everybody in the industry (e.g. SCANIA) only approves blends with max 5% alternative fuels...

Don't get me wrong, but if those fuels are ruining the car, we really can't talk about environmental advantages then, now can we? On the other hand, serious life cycle analysis like this one and field studies will hopefully help to develop cleaner cars. If those are then driven by gas engines, diesel engines or fuel cells... who knows?

Sorry, won't work... by Knacklappen · 2002-07-19 10:07 · Score: 5, Informative · on Drive a Greasecar - DIY Biodiesel

Having worked with the development of high-pressure direct-injection diesel engines at both Volkswagen and Volvo, I am quite critical towards any replacement fuel that has not been widely and thoroughly tested.

To begin with, some links for self study:
- Dieselnet.com has a great glossary and provides some excellent links
- Delphi has some nice PDF's on Unit Injectors and Common Rail
- Here some information from Bosch - Siemens has some nice pictures of injection systems, mainly common rail

Due to the very high pressures (up to 2100 bars) and therefore high temperatures with modern fuel injection systems, you really go to the limit of what diesel fuel can do: You use it simultaneously as fuel, coolant and oil and it takes a good blend to fulfill all these requirements! The chemical formula is important as well as the physical properties. The DOE has a webpage about diesel fuels. Have a look at their online diesel fuel property database and see which properties are essential for characterizing fuel. Other important factors are
- durability
- particles/filtration
- compressability/resistance against cavitation

Not to forget resistance of all sealings etc against the fuel. Think RME and you know why almost everybody in the industry (e.g. SCANIA) only approves blends with max 5% alternative fuels...

Don't get me wrong, but if those fuels are ruining the car, we really can't talk about environmental advantages then, now can we? On the other hand, serious life cycle analysis like this one and field studies will hopefully help to develop cleaner cars. If those are then driven by gas engines, diesel engines or fuel cells... who knows?

Re:License Agreement? by Anonymous Coward · 2001-09-21 18:27 · Score: -1, Troll · on New Linux PDA Available

Friend, I have already organized an Empower boycott link on the Internet boycott site. For information on how YOU can help put these fuckheads OUT of business and on the street where they belong, see the Internet Boycott Page. Thank you for your support and have a nice weekend.

What I know I learned from: by AnhZone · 2001-09-13 07:22 · Score: 2, Informative · on Choosing a Router/Firewall for the Home LAN

I second the practically network site. Especially good are the product reviews. Start here.

On the strength of a Practically Networked review, I had good luck with an SMC Barricade router with 4 ports and a built-in firewall a year ago, but things may have changed a lot since then. It took me only about 15 minutes to install (not counting network setup on the computer) and cost ~$100.

I learned about related topics from

How to set up a network at home: MIT guide with Linux focus.

World of Windows Networking: If Windows networking is screwing up (as it often does), go here.

homePCnetwork forum: Configuration questions answered, mostly by guy who runs the forum.

Technocopia: Overview articles on home networking.

Grant's Closet: Home LAN wiring.

Steve DeRose's guide: CAT5 wiring.

Telecom wiring: links to HOWTO and info articles on wiring.

Good sites to check out by MultimanZ · 2001-08-09 05:09 · Score: 0 · on Comic Books And The Internet, Continued

Here are some good sites to check out on comics: Oni Press - Free Comics - Free downloadable versions of their top comics. I recommend Whiteout by Rucka and Lieber.

Warren Ellis.com - Warren Ellis Forum - The writer of Transmetropolitan and Planetary's website and hosted forum. The biggest comic forum on the web.

Comic Book Resources - Good weekly articles by Larry Young, and an archive of essays by Steve Grant and Warrren Ellis.

Gaelen

Missing Some? by EarTrumpet · 2001-08-05 02:10 · Score: 2, Informative · on Gamespy.com's "Top 50 Games of All Time"

They did list Zork, but in my opinion they were missing Colossal Cave Adventure & Nethack.

Re:Dumb answer by Gsus2 · 2001-03-04 18:57 · Score: 1 · on Linux On Another New Architecture: PowerPC 64-bit

The 68000 address registers were 32bit long, but only the lower 24 bit were used for addressing. Externally the chip had 23 pins, because it addressed words instead of bytes, and had 16 data pins. It could access 2^24 = 16MB. Check out this link

Re:Pluto by susano_otter · 2001-01-26 05:59 · Score: 1 · on Some Demote Pluto To Non-Planet

Goofy started out life as "Dippy Dog".

Colossal Cave by PotatoMan · 2001-01-24 23:47 · Score: 1 · on Where Can I Find Beautiful Code?

The original version of Colossal Cave is the most beautiful work I've ever seen. You can download it here. Be sure to get the original; the site hosts many versions.

My reasons for recommending this code are:

Written in FORTRAN IV, which offers no help to the programmer
No complex data structures, yet he makes them clear and readable
Branches limited to arithmetic if statements
Closest I've ever come to the brandy-and-cigar ideal

This is clearly the work of a professional programmer, yet it was a game he was working on in his spare time. I use this as a standard in my own work.

Web site on NorAm numbering plan alternatives by isdnip · 2000-12-06 04:55 · Score: 3 · on FCC Considering 10-Digit Dialing [UPDATED]

I've got a web site that discusses an alternative view of North American Numbering Plan expansion. The industry committee (no, consumers don't count) is leaning towards allowing 0/1 at the beginning of a prefix code, since it'll always be after an area code, and then stretching the area codes to 4 digits (using the second digit 9 as transition, or inserting 1 or 0 after the area code). I find this far from ideal.

North American Numbering Plan Forum presents my alternative. It ends up with 8-digit local dialing (4+4), which should be adequate for all but the largest metro areas (which will need two area codes). It also sorts the area codes into geographic, nongeographic/functional and an expanded freephone (800, etc.) space.

Implementation of such a change will take years, because there are necessary transition phases, the first of which is to move to mandatory 10-digit local dialing. Assume that that is inevitable; the only question is when. The plan I discuss has no flag days, plenty of "permissive" time for every stage of transition, and makes new numbers predictable.

The web site is a Delphi board, which means that it has its own discussion forum. I dont' know if it's a good idea to advertise it on /. :-) but hey it could use some activity!

Re:Go Apple ][ ! by UnknownSoldier · 2000-10-18 19:34 · Score: 5 · on The Continuing Rise Of Amiga

> and machine-language monitor.

Just a bit of history, for all the people that didn't grow up on the apple (computer):

The Apple ][, ][+, //e, and //c (basically all models) had a built-in disassember (371 bytes! $F8D0-$FA43, with the 3 character mnemonics bit-packed.)

The Apple ][ (orginal), //e (enhanced), //c (enhanced) also had a mini-assembler (317 bytes! $F500-$F666) that had no symbols, only absolute hex or decimal addresses and constants. There were also step and trace facilities.
Woz says:

I then wrote a 256 byte "Monitor" program which watched the keyboard for hex data entry (address:data data data) and hex display and program initiation ("Run").

The only way to get the mini-assembler on the Apple ][+, //e (unenhanced), //c (unenhanced) was to load Integer Basic.

The enhanced //e, and the enhanced //c, (via rom upgrades), added the mini-assembler back in.

i.e.

]CALL -151

At the asterisk Monitor prompt, request the Mini-Assembler:

*!

Which is the same as doing:

*F666G

You can see the source for the mini-assembler here.

An interesting read of the Apple (computer) history can be read here.

Re:Seems to reflect society... by DeadSea · 2000-09-11 19:53 · Score: 2 · on Why First Person Shooters Beat Text Adventure Games

Adhttp://people.delphi.com/ rickadams/adventure/index.html">Colossal Cave (Don't ask me what slashdot is doing to links today. Its not written like this in my comment, but it appears to work despite being mangled)

The original text based adventure game by Woods and Crowthar for those of you looking for something to do at work. A variety of binaries and source code for a variety of versions of the game are available for a wide variety of platforms.

Also maps and hints.

I played this game a lot on my Kaypro64. Unfortunatly the game crashed when you relesed the vial to kill the slime. At the time I didn't ha"ve access to walkthroughs or maps or anything. I didn't realise how close I was to beating the game until I looked through some of the stuff on this site and downloaded current non crashing versions.

Ah nastalgia!

THIS IS A FAKE by GatorEngineer · 2000-09-09 21:53 · Score: 1 · on AMD Ends Overclocking On Durons

You make have to log in to Toms Hardware Delphi forum to see this link, but here is the picture that fake was based on.

THIS IS A FAKE by GatorEngineer · 2000-09-09 21:53 · Score: 1 · on AMD Ends Overclocking On Durons

You make have to log in to Toms Hardware Delphi forum to see this link, but here is the picture that fake was based on.

Re:Not yet... by Anonymous Coward · 2000-08-30 00:26 · Score: 3 · on More Threats From The MPAA

save adventure gaming! play Colossal Cave! by abde · 2000-08-17 21:03 · Score: 1 · on Vanishing Game Genres

anyone want to play a game of Colossal Cave Adventure? we have a game running on the Ultimate Bulletin Board at Floor42 (reg. required)

Or download your own copy from here and play it yourself

perhaps gaming needs to take a step back - and then fork?

JOIN !LINK CLUB!

I remember the first time I cheated by JasonVergo · 2000-07-25 05:42 · Score: 1 · on Multiplayer Game Cheating

I remember searching the code to Adventure (Colosasal Cave) in hopes of getting me out 'You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike.'

Heck anything that gets kids into programming, can't be that bad of a thing.

For nostaliga, go download Adventure: Adventure

Re:Isn't this illegal in some states? by jonathanclark · 2000-07-24 05:43 · Score: 1 · on ABC Ads Target Answering Machines?

You obviously haven't been having much fun. I suggest you quickly get to your phone and dail one or all of these numbers.

Spammer 800/888 phone numbers

--

Re: The Stanford... by knuth · 2000-07-04 02:48 · Score: 1 · on The Stanford Poynter Project Study

jkirby plaintively asks, "Can someone please explaing this statement?"

Sure thing.

Way back before the earth's crust had cooled, the two first popular web browsers were Lynx and Mosaic. Other early web browsers included the CERN line-mode browser and Cello. Lynx is character-mode, a.k.a. a text browser. Mosaic was the first popular graphical browser. Both Lynx and Mosaic came out about the same time, in 1993. The developers of Mosaic went on to Netscape, and Micros~1 Internet Explorer is based on a licensed copy of Spyglass Mosaic.

HTH.

Lisp by alispguru · 2000-05-05 02:55 · Score: 3 · on Which CGI Language For Which Purpose?

Seriously. There's a good chance you've already visited a web site running Lisp, and didn't know it (Yahoo Store for one). Lisp's forte is extreme dynamic content that requires persistence or cross-session communications.

Check out any of the following:

SIOD - A small, easy-to-extend Scheme interpreter that can be used to do CGI.

AllegroServe - This is a small Common Lisp based web server which can sit behind Apache or do it all itself. They have a very nice mapping between Lisp lists and HTML that makes dynamic content generation a breeze. The source is currently implementation-specific, but it's LGPLed and available at Sourceforge.

CL-HTTP - If you want to do dynamic content and don't want to learn HTML, this is what you want. Query processing and page generation are buried behind deep and powerful abstractions. Long learning curve, but worth it for really complex stuff.

There are others, but I don't have the links handy right now.

Re:JACAL-- never tried it, but it might work... by Doctor+Memory · 2000-03-01 09:14 · Score: 1 · on Open Source Symbolic Math Program?

would it be terribly difficult to create a C/C++ implementation of JACAL, or would it be best to start from scratch?

Might be most practical to just grab a copy of SIOD and wrap your C code around that.

Re:the Grumpy Old Man post by msphil · 2000-01-27 09:31 · Score: 1 · on Heroes of Might and Magic III Demo Released

(Slightly off-topic, but...)

My father back in the 50's, on the other hand, got stuck with this new game called "Adventure". Plugh. (One of his roomates at MIT helped write it.)

Given the plugh reference, I would point out that Crowther and Woods wrote Adventure in the early Seventies. (Reference 1: T he Craft of Adventure, chapter 2 [P DF]) (Reference 2: A History of 'Adventure'). So, it's a little improbable that the Adventure of plugh fame was available in the 50's =)

(You can play it on-line at any of several locations these days, including here and here.)

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-19 02:42 · Score: 0 · on Corel Draw 9 for Linux Needs Beta Testers

Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Jan 19, 12:13am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

We apologize for the length of time between updates. This list has gotten quite large and thus more difficult to maintain.

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-16 07:10 · Score: 0 · on New DVD Lawsuits Filed by the MPAA (UPDATED)

Note: This mirror list has been copied from http://www.humpin.org/decss/, on January 2nd 2000 13:13 GMT

Mirrors since 28-Dec-99 added by me.
To my main DVD page (containing list of lists of mirrors) Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Fri, Dec 31, 8:18pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

Re:R�n� Descartes and proof of existence by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-01 03:35 · Score: 0 · on Top Ten Geeks of the Millennium?

"Rene" should be "Réné".
"existance" should be "existence".
"elite" should be "élite".

But yes, it requires a leap of faith. Here's how it works. The argument of cogito ergo sum requires that you know that it is you who are thinking. The other possibility is that it is someone else who is thinking; that is, you're someone else's dream.

However, for that to be the case, then God must be tricking you. And God cannot be God if he tricks people. He would must become a minor demon, a deceptive spirit of trickery. The abstract notion of a single, sole deity precludes that deity's being engaged in falseness. Therefore, because God is not a deceiver, and someone is thinking, it must be you.

I strongly encourage everyone to read these. You have to reach your own conclusions.

Here's a short summary of the issues.

OOPS - Trying Humpin list again by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-30 11:08 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Victory: We Won - For Now

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Thu, Dec 30, 2:55am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-29 06:42 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Today - Are You Ready to Rumble?

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Dec 29, 3:14pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

Re:Double Standards by ncc74656 · 1999-12-26 08:27 · Score: 1 · on Negligence and Open Source

As for the issue at hand, I don't think anyone, even Microsoft, should be held responsible for such bugs. Cmon, all programs are going to have problems; just because one of the bugs happens to have more risky consequences doesn't mean that it is any worse than a bug that is relatively harmless. It shouldn't be concidered "negligence" - it should be expected by users of the program.

This is an overly-broad generalization. A bug that trashes your computer's hard drive is one thing, but a bug that kills is another thing altogether. (Yes, there have been software errors that have ended up causing severe injury--and even death. Computer-controlled medical devices come to mind as an example; http://people.delphi.com/salfter/cs301.ht ml is a paper I wrote a few years back regarding such problems.) Is a bug that kills really no worse than one that merely inconveniences people? I think not.

Re:Amoral Liberals by hypatia · 1999-11-27 06:01 · Score: 1 · on Evidence for a Flat Universe?

Stalin killed thirty or forty million people.
Stalin was an atheist.
You figure it out.

Umm.. umm... *screws up forehead*...
A-hah! Got it!

It's an ad hominem argument, one of the Fallacies of Relevance!

A different list of mirrors by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-17 02:48 · Score: 0 · on deCSS Listed On Download.com

Here is the most recent version of the css-auth CVS code as well as DeCSS. Please mirror & redistribute.
This page was originally a mirror of http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/, but then rhythm.cx was forced down.
So I've taken it on myself to keep a list of mirrors. I try to update and check the status of the listed sites at least once per day. If you know of any mirrors not in my list, if you wish to mirror this page, or if you find that any of the listed sites went down, then contact me.

you can download the following three files from here:
DeCSS.zip - DeCSS
css-auth.tar.gz - CSS authentication source
LiVid.tgz - Linux DVD Code

MD5 Sums:
d0aff684327a5c7bf110951e42ec3cae DeCSS.zip 8653090161e8f287d365132acb098581 css-auth.tar.gz a940de43a3c20895cf56bbca75c6d7a7 LiVid.tgz

Known Mirrors (as of 17/Nov/1999, 08:30 GMT):

Sites that copied this site (lemuria.org): http://josefine.ben.tuwien.ac.at/~davi d/dvd/
http://www.c0ke.com/DVD/
http://209.68.37.134/decss/
http://rockme.virtualave.net/
http://caspian.twu.net/dv d/mirrors/www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/

http://www.homestead.com/avoid erman/files/index.html
http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/avoiderman/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business /avoiderman/
http://www.intelcities.com/Main_ Street/Avoiderman/
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm
http://members.xoom.com/lkjhgfdsa2/

Other sites where DeCSS, css-auth and/or LiVid are mirrored: http://home.worldonline.dk/~ andersa/download/DeCSS.zip
http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinn er01/decss.zip
http://www.chello.nl/~f .vanwaveren/css-auth/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.vexed.net/CSS
http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip and http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz
http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/
http://www.humpin.org/decss/
http://www.unitycode.org/
http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml
http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz and ftp://193.219.56. 32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-stuff-only.tar.gz
http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html
http://www.dvd-copy.com/
http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css /css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS .zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/ (very slow - 33.6 line)
http://members.tripod.co.uk/bap/css/cs s.html
http://www.tasam.com/~fenkt/dvd/
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://therapy.endorphin.org/DVD/
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz
http://www.dvdlinks.co.uk/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm
http://www.jonhanson.com/dvd/

http://www.geociti es.com/ResearchTriangle/Campus/8877/index.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/ http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip

Mirrors that appear have gone down since 12/Nov/1999: http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://www.xs4all.nl/~predator/freecss/freecss.htm l
http://sharedlib.org/decss.zip
http://decss.tripod.com/index.html
ftp://134.173.94.44/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/DeCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/css-auth.tar.g z ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/ http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip

The following site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consortium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/
Local Mirror: /DeCSS/crypto.gq.nu

You can contact me at tom@lemuria.org if you have any questions regarding mirroring, or want your mirror added here.

Note to lawyers and other scum:
This information is widely available by now, and no matter what you do, you will not be able to supress it. It was the DVD consortium that f***ed up, and now you're trying to solve a technological problem with threats and legal action?
If there were fines on stupidity, yours would cover the national debts of most western countries.

Mirrors again ooops by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-17 02:40 · Score: 0 · on deCSS Listed On Download.com

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

Mirrors - Now more than 70!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-17 02:38 · Score: 1 · on deCSS Listed On Download.com

Oh yeah

Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Explanation on legality of this information:

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention

www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

UPDATE: Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

I have taken it upon myself to mirror the mirrors. So until such time as the hounds of hell come a-knocking at my door, I present for you this list:

Page last updated: Wed, Nov 17, 2:33pm EST

Current Mirrors
(Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience)

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

hehehehe by emmons · 1999-11-17 01:43 · Score: 1 · on deCSS Listed On Download.com

Here's a nice big 'ol list o' mirrors for ya'll out there in cyberland!

http://home.worldonline.dk/~ andersa/download/DeCSS.zip
http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinn er01/decss.zip
http://www.chello.nl/~f .vanwaveren/css-auth/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.geociti es.com/ResearchTriangle/Campus/8877/index.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/ http://www.vexed.net/CSS
http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/
http://www.humpin.org/decss/
http://www.unitycode.org/
http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
http://sharedlib.org/decss.zip
http://decss.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
ftp://134.173.94.44/
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz
http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml
http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-st uff-only.tar.gz
http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html
http://www.dvd-copy.com/
http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css /css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS .zip
http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm
http://remco.xgov.net/dvd/
http://www.able-towers.com/~flow/
ftp://dvd:dvd@206.98.63.136/
http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

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Mirror list by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-16 22:58 · Score: 2 · on deCSS Listed On Download.com

Oh yeah

Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Explanation on legality of this information:

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed. It was written by authors who expressly permitted and encourage the redistribution of this software and information. The purpose of this software is not, I repeat not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site are purely written by 3rd parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods, which is, again, completely legal. This software and information below make it possible for people who legally obtained their DVD movies to view them on their Linux systems.

Attention

www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

UPDATE: Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

I have taken it upon myself to mirror the mirrors. So until such time as the hounds of hell come a-knocking at my door, I present for you this list:

Page last updated: Tue, Nov 16, 2:19pm EST

Current Mirrors
(Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience)

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/DeCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/css-auth.tar.g z

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

mirrors by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-14 22:24 · Score: 1 · on Activist Defends DVD Hack

Oh yeah

Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Explanation on legality of this information:

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed. It was written by authors who expressly permitted and encourage the redistribution of this software and information. The purpose of this software is not, I repeat not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way a certain protection scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or one of its members. The sources and programs on this site are purely written by 3rd parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods, which is, again, completely legal. This software and information below make it possible for people who legally obtained their DVD movies to view them on their Linux systems.

Attention

www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

UPDATE: Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

I have taken it upon myself to mirror the mirrors. So until such time as the hounds of hell come a-knocking at my door, I present for you this list:

Page last updated: Sun, Nov 14, 8:41pm EST

Current Mirrors
(Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience)

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

When good software goes bad :-) by ncc74656 · 1999-11-14 02:39 · Score: 1 · on Introducing Open Source to the Doctors

Well, it really wouldn't qualify as good software, but I did a short paper for a college class six years ago that illustrates what badly-coded, not-adequately-reviewed software can do when it's unleashed on an unsuspecting public. I dug up the original on the hard drive on my Apple IIGS, where it was in AppleWorks 3.0 format, and converted it to HTML:

http://people.delphi.com/salfter/cs301.ht ml

It's mainly an account of incidents (some of them fatal) involving the Therac-25, a radiotherapy machine that was almost completely computer-controlled. Numerous race conditions in the code combined with a lack of hardware-based safety interlocks allowed the machine to be operated in unsafe configurations. Several people were killed or badly injured before the machines were recalled. The software problems would've stood a better chance of being caught in a more open review process. (A case might also be made regarding the replacement of hardware-based interlocks with software, and how this is awfully similar in basic concept to Winmodems and their problems, but that's beyond the scope of this thread. Besides, nobody had heard of Winmodems back in 1993. :-) )

Mirrors 2 by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-13 06:19 · Score: 0 · on Watching DVDs in Linux HOWTO

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/

http://www.vexed.net/CSS

http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/

http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz

http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip

http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip

http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip

http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/

http://www.unitycode.org/

http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip

http://sharedlib.org/decss.zip

http://decss.tripod.com/index.html

http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/

http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/

http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/

http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz

http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/

http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml

http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/

ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/

http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/

http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html

http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz

http://www.theresistance.net/files.html

ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz and ftp://193.219.56. 32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-stuff-only.tar.gz

http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html

http://www.dvd-copy.com/

http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css /css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS .zip

http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip

http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/

http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip

ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/

http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/

http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm

http://remco.xgov.net/dvd/

http://www.able-towers.com/~flow/

ftp://dvd:dvd@206.98.63.136

http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm

ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip

http://mu nitions.vipul.net/software/algorithms/streamcipher s/decss.tar.gz

http:/ /munitions.polkaroo.net/software/algorithms/stream ciphers/decss.tar.gz

http://muni tions.dyn.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz

http://mun itions.cifs.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/ decss.tar.gz

http://uk1. munitions.net/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

Mirrors 2 by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-13 06:18 · Score: 0 · on Watching DVDs in Linux HOWTO

http://www.humpin.org/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.humpin.org/decss/decss.tar.gz

http://home.worldonline.dk/~ andersa/download/DeCSS.zip

http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/

http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html

http://home.t-online.de/home/skinn er01/decss.zip

http://www.chello.nl/~f .vanwaveren/css-auth/css-auth.tar.gz

http://www.geociti es.com/ResearchTriangle/Campus/8877/index.html

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/

http://www.vexed.net/CSS

http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/

http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz

http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip

http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip

http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip

http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/

http://www.unitycode.org/

http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip

http://sharedlib.org/decss.zip

http://decss.tripod.com/index.html

http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/

http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/

http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/

http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz

http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/

http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml

http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/

ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/

http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/

http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html

http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz

http://www.theresistance.net/files.html

ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz and ftp://193.219.56. 32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-stuff-only.tar.gz

http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html

http://www.dvd-copy.com/

http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css /css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS .zip

http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip

http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/

http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip

ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/

http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/

http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm

http://remco.xgov.net/dvd/

http://www.able-towers.com/~flow/

ftp://dvd:dvd@206.98.63.136

http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm

ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip

http://mu nitions.vipul.net/software/algorithms/streamcipher s/decss.tar.gz

http:/ /munitions.polkaroo.net/software/algorithms/stream ciphers/decss.tar.gz

http://muni tions.dyn.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz

http://mun itions.cifs.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/ decss.tar.gz

http://uk1. munitions.net/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

mirrors by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-13 06:16 · Score: 0 · on Watching DVDs in Linux HOWTO

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed. It was written by authors who expressly permitted and encourage the redistribution of this software and information. The purpose of this software is not, I repeat not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information neccesary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way a certain protection scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or one of its members. The sources and programs on this site are purely written by 3rd parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods, which is, again, completely legal. This software and information below make it possible for people who legally obtained their DVD movies to view them on their Linux systems.

Attention

www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

UPDATE: Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

I have taken it upon myself to mirror the mirrors. So until such time as the hounds of hell come a-knocking at my door, I present for you this list:

Page last updated: Sat, Nov 13, 4:50pm EST

Current Mirrors
(Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience)

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

http://www.humpin.org/decss/ by BlueUnderwear · 1999-11-13 04:32 · Score: 1 · on DVD Situation Takes New Turn

Explanation on legality of this information:

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed. It was written by authors who expressly permitted and encourage the redistribution of this software and information. The purpose of this software is not, I repeat not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information neccesary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way a certain protection scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or one of its members. The sources and programs on this site are purely written by 3rd parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods, which is, again, completely legal. This software and information below make it possible for people who legally obtained their DVD movies to view them on their Linux systems.

Attention

www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

UPDATE: Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

I have taken it upon myself to mirror the mirrors. So until such time as the hounds of hell come a-knocking at my door, I present for you this list:

Page last updated: Sat, Nov 13, 4:50pm EST

Current Mirrors
(Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience)

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
ftp://134.173.94.44/

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

Mirrors Updated (trying again) by Anonymous Coward · 1999-11-12 04:14 · Score: 0 · on DVD Situation Takes New Turn

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/ http://www.vexed.net/CSS
http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/
http://www.humpin.org/decss/
http://www.unitycode.org/
http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
http://sharedlib.org/decss.zip
http://decss.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
ftp://134.173.94.44/
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz
http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml
http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz and ftp://193.219.56. 32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-stuff-only.tar.gz
http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html
http://www.dvd-copy.com/
http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css /css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS .zip
http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm
http://remco.xgov.net/dvd/
http://www.able-towers.com/~flow/
ftp://dvd:dvd@206.98.63.136
http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's layers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/ Local Mirror: http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/crypto.gq.nu

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them. I don't know who runs which mirrors; I delete their email once I've added their site in order to ensure their annonymity in the event that the DVD consortium's layers start gnawing at my ankles as well.)

ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip

Slashdot Mirror

Domain: delphi.com

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