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TFA also states that Bill Atkinson did all the graphics for Lisa and the Macintosh - he did a lot of the graphics development (notably the UI and QuickDraw) and Susan Kare was responsible for the actual graphics.

TFA also states that Bill Atkinson did all the graphics for Lisa and the Macintosh - he did a lot of the graphics development (notably the UI and QuickDraw) and Susan Kare was responsible for the actual graphics.

And http://www.folklore.org/ is very good too.

And almost didn't.

Why, why, why, I invented Ars Technica!
Jef Raskin

And, of course, the whole 'useful little utilities you can pop up over your fully-fledge apps' thing dates back to 1981.

Mods, if you're going to mod something "informative", please do at least a cursory google search first. Apple developed the Mac from scratch. This is well documented.

Apple "planned" to release it with Copland in 1995. We've seen "plans" for this type of technology for at least a decade. The only ones to ship have been BeOS and now Tiger. Get back to me when Longhorn ships in 2007.

To quote the original Macintosh team, "Real Artists Ship".

Desk Accessories

RoundRects are everywhere!

> Steve Jobs is nothing but a business man. It does absolutely no jusstice to call a business man as Mac's father and Apple's savior.
>
> Without Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs is nothing. Jobs could be a begger on the side of street for all we know if Woz didn't invent the first Apple personal computer.

Woz is certainly the father of the Apple II, but it never would have gotten to market if Steve Jobs hadn't made it marketable.

I don't think you're giving Jobs enough credit for his industrial design abilities. Even Andy Hertzfeld expressed admiration for Steve's aesthetic sense when they were creating the Mac. Andy wrote "I was impressed with Steve's passion for elegance in the industrial design and his powers of discrimination continually amazed me as the design took shape... Steve was always critical and decisive, saying he loved or hated a detail that I could barely perceive."

The PearPC developers should have inserted a 'stolen from PearPC' logo into one of their virtual ROMs! ;-)

It's better to be a pirate than join the navy.

Check out Folklore. The story Signing Party is about the signatures. The last paragraph talks about how they slowly disappeared throughout the Mac versions.

Check out Folklore. The story Signing Party is about the signatures. The last paragraph talks about how they slowly disappeared throughout the Mac versions.

Bill Gates invented Jeff Raskin.

And Raskin invented Burrell.

IconDolt? Why would I want to use a program that was a dolt?

That's pretty bad, OK.

Here is the story of how they got that cloverleaf symbol.

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh &story=Monkey_Lives.txt&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date &detail=medium&search=monkey

It's apocryphal. No mention of anything like that at Folklore.org. I'm sure one could say that the spirit of Woz infused some of the team members* of the Mac team, but that's about it.

*especially Burrel

Uh, huh. Yeah. Steve Jobs personally signs off on the "functionality" of the Home/End key before each version of OS X ships.

"Then why did Jobs want to hire him in the first place?"

Bouncing Pepsis

I don't think they overlooked it as much as they had trouble implementing other, basic programming in the first place. The technical limits were relatively tight during development and from what I've heard it took insane amounts of effort to get it to the point where it could ship on schedule in the first place. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done - but I'm also saying that a good object-oriented library is hard to built from the start. It took NeXT several years on more modern hardware with far less restrictions, and Apple really needed the Mac out when they released it.

No, I think you mean Atkinson was Burrell's champion:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin tosh&story=Well_See_About_That.txt&sortOrder=Sort% 20by%20Date&detail=medium

Also, Burrell used to poke fun at Raskin's tendency to claim credit for things:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin tosh&story=I_Invented_Burrell.txt&sortOrder=Sort%2 0by%20Date&detail=medium

No, I think you mean Atkinson was Burrell's champion:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin tosh&story=Well_See_About_That.txt&sortOrder=Sort% 20by%20Date&detail=medium

Also, Burrell used to poke fun at Raskin's tendency to claim credit for things:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin tosh&story=I_Invented_Burrell.txt&sortOrder=Sort%2 0by%20Date&detail=medium

my favorite jef raskin story:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin tosh&story=I_Invented_Burrell.txt&sortOrder=Sort%2 0by%20Date&detail=medium&search=jef%20raskin

Whatever idea that you came up with, Jef Raskin had a tendency to claim that he invented it at some earlier point. That trait was the basis of Burrell's impersonation of Jef.

Jef had a slight stammer, which Burrell nailed perfectly. Burrell began by folding his fingers together like Jef and then exclaiming in a soft, Jef-like voice, "Why, why, why, I invented the Macintosh!"

Then Burrell would shift to his radio announcer voice, playing the part of an imaginary interviewer. "No, I thought that Burrell invented the Macintosh", the interviewer would object.

He'd shift back to his Jef voice for the punch line.

"Why, why, why, I invented Burrell!"

Jef Raskins work at Apple, with the Mac is well documented at www.folklore.org. The site created by Andy Hertzfeld has now been made into a book called Revolution in The Valley - a collection of esoteric stories that chronical the birth and development the Mac.

Jef Raskins work at Apple, with the Mac is well documented at www.folklore.org. The site created by Andy Hertzfeld has now been made into a book called Revolution in The Valley - a collection of esoteric stories that chronical the birth and development the Mac.

Jef Raskins work at Apple, with the Mac is well documented at www.folklore.org. The site created by Andy Hertzfeld has now been made into a book called Revolution in The Valley - a collection of esoteric stories that chronical the birth and development the Mac.

Jef Raskins work at Apple, with the Mac is well documented at www.folklore.org. The site created by Andy Hertzfeld has now been made into a book called Revolution in The Valley - a collection of esoteric stories that chronical the birth and development the Mac.

There are a lot of great stories on Andy Hertzfeld's folklore.org site about the early days of the Mac, including many of the inevitable personality conflicts that arise when you have a lot of folks working under a deadline to get a huge project shipped. A fascinating site - I read it end to end when I came across it.

My sense is that while Jef had the original vision for the Mac it was Burrell Smith who did much of the actual implementation. If the Mac must have a father, Burrell might be the better choice.

Here's the funniest take on the whole thing.

There are a lot of great stories on Andy Hertzfeld's folklore.org site about the early days of the Mac, including many of the inevitable personality conflicts that arise when you have a lot of folks working under a deadline to get a huge project shipped. A fascinating site - I read it end to end when I came across it.

My sense is that while Jef had the original vision for the Mac it was Burrell Smith who did much of the actual implementation. If the Mac must have a father, Burrell might be the better choice.

Here's the funniest take on the whole thing.

It is sad to note the passing of this pioneer. But the Mac UI as we know it has very little to do with Jef Raskin.

Raskin didn't "invent the Mac", he merely initiated the project. His original vision for the Mac was more along the lines of his Canon Cat. That all changed when Jobs took the project over and turned the Mac into "Lisa Jr".

I must confess I'm a bit surprised and disappointed at how effective Raskin's "I invented the Mac!" claims have been, even among slashdotters, who really ought to know better. A lot of posters here seem to have uncritically accepted his claims.

Read this for a bit of insight into Raskin's penchant for self promotion: I Invented Burrell

See also Andy Hertzfeld's take on who "invented the Mac".

It is sad to note the passing of this pioneer. But the Mac UI as we know it has very little to do with Jef Raskin.

Raskin didn't "invent the Mac", he merely initiated the project. His original vision for the Mac was more along the lines of his Canon Cat. That all changed when Jobs took the project over and turned the Mac into "Lisa Jr".

I must confess I'm a bit surprised and disappointed at how effective Raskin's "I invented the Mac!" claims have been, even among slashdotters, who really ought to know better. A lot of posters here seem to have uncritically accepted his claims.

Read this for a bit of insight into Raskin's penchant for self promotion: I Invented Burrell

See also Andy Hertzfeld's take on who "invented the Mac".

I never hear about what its like working for Microsoft; I've developed an interest in what working for Apple is like from reading stories at http://www.folklore.org/, but I've never read any stories about what its like working for Microsoft.

If Microsoft wants to interest more geeks in getting involved in the IT industry, why not launch or encourage a site similar to Folklore.org?

maybe you ought to read descriptions about the Reality Distortion Field that surrounds Jobs.

Mac fans and students of product development should bookmark www.folklore.org. It is a valuable resouce for understanding *creativity*, software, hardware and other esoteric themes at Apple around the time the Mac was created.

maybe you ought to read descriptions about the Reality Distortion Field that surrounds Jobs.

Mac fans and students of product development should bookmark www.folklore.org. It is a valuable resouce for understanding *creativity*, software, hardware and other esoteric themes at Apple around the time the Mac was created.

unsuccessfully tried hotswapping an AGP video card once... I spent the rest of the day looking up motherboard, ram, and video card prices online

Ah, it's not for softies, but hot-swapping a peripheral card has been done.

Certificate for gift mac

anyone still have one of these? i'm sure *some* slashdot vet will have one stached away somewhere. I'm sure they'd be worth quite a bit to a collector.

I've never heard of any program that was actually written by Gates

"You're full of shit," Knuth responded.

From folklore.org

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin tosh&story=PC_Board_Esthetics.txt:

Steve started critiquing the layout on a purely esthetic basis. "That part's really pretty", he proclaimed. "But look at the memory chips. That's ugly. The lines are too close together".

George Crow, our recently hired analog engineer, interrupted Steve. "Who cares what the PC board looks like? The only thing that's important is how well that it works. Nobody is going to see the PC board."

Steve responded strongly. "I'm gonna see it! I want it to be as beautiful as possible, even if it's inside the box. A great carpenter isn't going to use lousy wood for the back of a cabinet, even though nobody's going to see it."

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh &story=Signing_Party.txt:

Steve came up with the awesome idea of having each team member's signature engraved on the hard tool that molded the plastic case, so our signatures would appear inside the case of every Mac that rolled off the production line. Most customers would never see them, since you needed a special tool to look inside, but we would take pride in knowing that our names were in there, even if no one else knew.

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin tosh&story=PC_Board_Esthetics.txt:

Steve started critiquing the layout on a purely esthetic basis. "That part's really pretty", he proclaimed. "But look at the memory chips. That's ugly. The lines are too close together".

George Crow, our recently hired analog engineer, interrupted Steve. "Who cares what the PC board looks like? The only thing that's important is how well that it works. Nobody is going to see the PC board."

Steve responded strongly. "I'm gonna see it! I want it to be as beautiful as possible, even if it's inside the box. A great carpenter isn't going to use lousy wood for the back of a cabinet, even though nobody's going to see it."

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh &story=Signing_Party.txt:

Steve came up with the awesome idea of having each team member's signature engraved on the hard tool that molded the plastic case, so our signatures would appear inside the case of every Mac that rolled off the production line. Most customers would never see them, since you needed a special tool to look inside, but we would take pride in knowing that our names were in there, even if no one else knew.

You are at least the second person to claim he wrote a BASIC compiler.

1) It was an INTERPRETER
2) He had Paul Allen's help

Now, he apparently DID write
Donkey, a lame driving game distributed with MS-DOS.

You appear to be right, I stand corrected!

The most well known in that bunch were: Steve Jobs, Andy Hertzfeld, Bill Atkinson, Burrel Smith, Bud Tribble, Steve Capps, Bruce Horn, Jef Raskin, ...

Woz was not on the Mac team, and Raskin left a couple of years before the Mac made it to the market. Atkinson, Capps, and Hertzfeld were probably the best known on the software side 'cos their names were also on things like MacPaint, Finder, etc...

Read all about it at Folklore.org.

We started having weekly management meetings in June 1981, which were attended by most of the team, where we discussed the issues of the week. At the second or third meeting, Burrell presented an intricate blueprint of the PC board layout, which had already been used to build a few working prototypes, blown up to four times the actual size.

Steve started critiquing the layout on a purely esthetic basis. "That part's really pretty", he proclaimed. "But look at the memory chips. That's ugly. The lines are too close together".

George Crow, our recently hired analog engineer, interrupted Steve. "Who cares what the PC board looks like? The only thing that's important is how well that it works. Nobody is going to see the PC board."

Steve responded strongly. "I'm gonna see it! I want it to be as beautiful as possible, even if it's inside the box. A great carpenter isn't going to use lousy wood for the back of a cabinet, even though nobody's going to see it."

George started to argue with Steve, since he wasn't on the team long enough to know that it was a losing battle. Fortunately, Burrell interrupted him.

"Well, that was a difficult part to layout because of the memory bus.", Burrell responded. "If we change it, it might not work as well electrically".

"OK, I'll tell you what," said Steve. "Let's do another layout to make the board prettier, but if it doesn't work as well, we'll change it back."

So we invested another $5,000 or so to make a few boards with a new layout that routed the memory bus in a Steve-approved fashion. But sure enough, the new boards didn't work properly, as Burrell had predicted, so we switched back to the old design for the next run of prototypes.

Try this instead

From Folklore.org - a funny about Burrell Smith claiming that HE invented Jef Raskin (Burrell could well have done more to make the Mac what it is than Jef - you read and decide) - you read and decide

From Folklore.org - a funny about Burrell Smith claiming that HE invented Jef Raskin (Burrell could well have done more to make the Mac what it is than Jef - you read and decide) - you read and decide